but whatever happens... just "STOP BULLSHITTIN' AND FUCKIN' AROUND!!"

Sarah Conner Chronicles: CODA would be awesome...

JESUS CHRIST, THEY'RE FUCKING AMATEURS. I NEVER HAD A NETWORK FUCKING ACT LIKE THIS, MAN.

**pauses, remembers Fox cancelling FIREFLY and WB not picking up GLOBAL FREQUENCY**

FUCKING AMATEURS. THAT'S NOT FUCKING PROFESSIONAL!!!

Help a Browncoat out... Cast FIREFLY actors TODAY! You KNOW it makes sense!

Oh, and I was really liking "The Unusuals". I feel that the show could've gotten picked up if it had a Fall premiere. It seems unfair to expect a show to succeed with a little-hyped March/April premiere. Dumb networks. I really wish we would once see cable channels picking up network cancellations like everyone seems to talk about, but we never see.

We'll never know now. They cancelled that show too.

And yeah, Summer Glau will definitely end up on Dollhouse, and it will still suck, but make me want to watch a tiny bit more. Glau + Dushku = Boner

I don't suppose there's a chance FX could pick up TSCC instead?

It was pure economics.

Especially when faced with the prospect of the show being set in a dystopic future, TSCC was a show that was too expensive. Between the various location shoots for action scenes, CG & makeup effects, and growing cast, TSCC was not the type of show supportable by a large network in a bad economy.

Anybody who watched S2 would have to agree that it improved dramatically in the back 1/2. The show was ramping up in some new and exciting ways. I can't blame the writing.

I can't even blame Dollhouse's renewal. They serve the same demo, but they have decidedly different economic models. Financially, Dollhouse might as well be 91210 to Terminator's BSG.

The fact is, FOX torpedoed this show in a knowingly and with purpose. The Friday night "death slot" never works. It hasn't since the early days of the X-Files.

Still, FOX insists on putting its expensive sci-fi shows in this death trap. Friday nights has doomed MANY legitimately good, but expensive sci-fi shows on FOX.

Firefly, Dark Angel, Millennium, Freaky Links, John Doe, Strange Luck, etc.

FOX should have NEVER stuck a sci-fi show on Fridays. For one thing, it's a genre that appeals to a hardcore minority. To stick it on a Friday where even fewer viewers will see it is suicide. More over, to move it from a moderately successful Monday slot to a slot that never works shows some malicious intent on the part of their programming execs.

This reeks of backroom politics. It really does.

FOX had zero reason to move it to the new slot. They could have paired it up with 24 to make "Action Mondays" or some shit like that. The ratings would have been dynamite, especially as a 24 lead-in. More over, Terminator would have made a more appropriate lead in than House.

The bottom line is... FOX HATES SCI-FI. They talk a good game. The pretend to support the genre, but their pockets are way too shallow for them to pony up.

Just you watch. FOX is going to get the "brilliant" idea to have Fringe be the cornerstone of their new Fridays. Just you watch as Fringe gets canceled.

FOX is a bunch of twats.

This is NOT... I repeat.... NOT the same FOX that innovated and challenged primetime TV conventions back in 1987. The network that broke the mold and gave the one finger salute to the other 3 big networks is DEAD.

FOX is now just another tool for a society that happily consumes easily digestible formulaic comedies and reality shows. FOX is no better than CBS, NBC, or ABC. I can understand the economics behind the cancellation. What I can't understand is why FOX does this shit on purpose. It's like repeatedly going back to the boyfriend who abuses you.

FOX wants people to stay home Friday? Stick America Idol on Friday. I can guarantee you, if Idol's as popular as they think, Friday's will come alive again. If not, no big loss.

I'm thinking that the only way to save TSCC is to rename it "Law & Order Terminator", "CSI Terminator", or "Sarah Connor The Bachelorette"

FUCK YOU FOX! Damn dirty network twats.

Poor Glau has no luck.

I'm a big fan, but she might as well bet Nathan Fillion. Both seem to get stuck on shows on the decline or destined to canceled quickly.

To claim that a network "hates" a particular genre is ridiculous. Stop personalizing. Yes, it was economics: Dollhouse is cheaper (and had to agree to cost cuts to stay alive) than TSCC.

As for the Friday death slot...look, SOMETHING has to go there, right? So which target group is more likely to be at home on Fridays: the young hipsters or mainstream adults watching the reality crap, or sci-fi fans?

Seems obvious when you think about it.

Whereas Dollhouse is creative, original programming with dynamic characters and writing, and an original concept that could go anywhere. The future is open wide for the Dollhouse and I can't wait for season 2. Finally, Fox does something right.

I told them "What the fuck!? They asstards on ABC Family think Kyle XY was a BOY show?"

I started watching Kyle XY for about the first 3/4 of the season and the star, the ultra pretty boy gay actor Matt Dallas, kinda turned me off. And the execs talking about Kyle XY being a boy show are out of their mind. The only people who watch this show are girls and gay fans of Matt Dalls. Which is fine, but boys DO NOT watch this show. The execs and my director/producer team were surprised to hear that.

So what is my point? My point is that when you're casting a show to attract MEN and TEENAGE BOYS you don't cast gay-looking pretty boys. The gay-looking pretty boys attracts GIRLS and GAY FANS of that acctor. DOH! As cute as Thomas Dekker is, he still is a pretty boy who doesn't look in any manner like the future John Connor, and I think a lot of men and older boys were turned off by this. In fact, they even cast Kyle Reese as a freakin' pretty boy.

Now I could be completely wrong, but I think I may be at least partially correct. Straight men, whom you're trying to attract, don't appreciate pretty boys. Apparently the Terminator casting director did. Now don't get me wrong, I enjoyed nearly every episode of Terminator, but as pretty as Thomas Dekker was, and gave me warm fuzzy cougar feelings, he was wrong for the role.

Now if some how a miracle occurs and they like my retake on my screenplay, it doesn't matter how good it is if they cast another pretty boy in the role. The male demographic won't be there.

Anyway, just a theory. Sorry so long. I've had too much coffee today, and now I have to get to work.

I just coined a new phrase '20th Century Fucks'...its mine..you can use it.

Working in the LOTR circles for almost a decade, I can tell you that you are 100% spot on that boys aren't attracted to leading males/boys as much as young women are. In fact, the majority of LOTR fans I've come across are young women.

The logical step, making a show full of young hot females also doesn't attract young men either, since they write it off as a 'girl' show...there is a very fine line TV execs need to find to make a show enticing to boys/men.

MONDAY 8-9 House 9-10 Lie to Me

TUESDAY 8-10: So You Think You Can Dance

WEDNESDAY 8-9: So You Think You Can Dance Results 9-10 GLEE (NEW)

THURSDAY (also midseason 2010) 8-9 Bones 9-10 Fringe

FRIDAY (also midseason 2010) 8-8:30 BROTHERS (NEW) 8:30-9 'Til Death 9-10 Dollhouse

SATURDAY (also midseason 2010) 8-9 COPS 9-10 America's Most Wanted 11-Midnight THE WANDA SYKES SHOW (working title)

SUNDAY 7-8 THE OT (NFL post-game) 8-8:30 The Simpsons 8:30-9 THE CLEVELAND SHOW (NEW) 9-9:30 Family Guy 9:30-10 American Dad

FOX PRIMETIME SCHEDULE: MIDSEASON 2010 (beginning in January 2010)

MONDAY 8-9 House 9-10: 24

TUESDAY 8-9 American Idol performance 9-10 PAST LIFE (NEW)

WEDNESDAY 8-9 AI (results) 9-10 HUMAN TARGET (January) / GLEE (spring)

THURSDAY-SATURDAY (no change from Fall 2009)

SUNDAY 7-7:30 ANIMATION DOMINATION ENCORES 7:30-8 American Dad 8-8:30 The Simpsons 8:30-9 SONS OF TUCSON (NEW) 9-9:30 Family Guy 9:30-10 THE CLEVELAND SHOW

There you have it.

Fox deliberately ignored the tie-in potential, the improved story quality, the S3 possibilities, the DVR stats, fan support, and critic acclaim.

For somebody to suggest that Fox didn't torpedo this show is just crazy. Fox doesn't support sci-fi beyond a superficial level. Fringe will suffer as every other such series before has. Dollhouse would be lucky to make it past S2.

Fox execs area sci-fi hating, reality tv loving, monkey humping TWATS.

By profession, I'm a CG artist/animator myself. I can tell you that these things would have gotten better as thing progressed. The studios would have been able to reuse assets and streamline the process. In movies, this is something that only happens with sequels.

This streamlining, reuse stuff is exactly what happened with Buffy. Look at how the CG evolved over the course of the series. It was miserable in S1. The studio only improved and streamlined the effects. More over, these things start off as costly, but work their way down to doable levels.

TSCC's visual did improve over season 1. It even improved withing S2, as Weaver's morphing tech changed from the 1st reveal to the finale.

The VFX might have actually gotten cheaper in S3 since the VFX house wouldn't have to spend more R&D money to develop the tech again.

The fact that Fox wouldn't multi-renew more than one or two VFX/action filled shows goes to show how deep their pockets are NOT.

This is exactly why Dark Angel got bumped for Firefly. The former was actually expected to be renewed, but wasn't because Fox didn't have enough money for the both.

Fox is a pauper trying to live like a rich man. They're like that poseur at your highschool reunioun. They flaunt their shiny baubles and Armanis, but but still have the price tags cleverly hidden so that the can return them when the game is over.

That's Fox.

Again, there's nothing in it for them, financially. T4 is WB.

Low ratings on Fox would look like world shattering stats on the CW.

I truly believed if they had made John Connor a little tougher and a little rougher and gave him more to do and didn't take so long about it, it would have attracted MORE of the male demographics. And yes, Summer Glau and Lena Headly were big draws, but I think there had to be more than a few pretty faces. It had to be... grittier... I hate that word but I can't think of another one.

Anyway, doesn't matter since the show is sadly cancelled. And I'm a bit shocked Dollhouse got 13 more episodes. Eliza Dushku is a horrible actress but not as bad as Anna Torv... hmmm... maybe they're about equal. Anna Torv is just so... vapid and Eliza comes off as a bubbleheaded dipshit even when she's spewing implanted techobabble. I loved Summer and Lena.

IReily, Jesse, or whatever their names bored everyone with their lame stories!

The complaints were valids and people Terminator.

Queer.

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They may buy the more generic stuff, but the film fans will likely stick with the stuff that has nothing to do with the show. The TV fans might buy both, but I'm not sure that it works the other way around.

I don't even know if Fox has any merchandising rights to T4. I'm guessing that the major parties involved would be WB in the USA and Sony worldwide.

The Kid was growing up, from being an annoying teenage tool to accepting his role, starting to step into it, taking ownership away from his mom.

And I echo the commenter above: This is not the Fox network that was cutting edge, daring, bold back in the day. Who knew they could get so stodgy so fast? Might as well dump all their programming, poach Leno, Martha Stewart, and show Lawrence Welk reruns--oh, and "reality" stuff: Who Wants To Marry a Millionaire Bachelor Celebrity To Get Off A Jungle Island And Race To An Amazing Wedding and Recpetion Catered By The American Iron Chefs?

If only they'd cancelled Highlander early.

And will people please calm down?

I hope another network picks it up...

To do a 3rd season, they'd essentially have to start over with new sets, props, etc.

Compare that to a show where the set is built and adding a new scenario is much easier. Not as much CGI either. So, it mostly comes down to money.

Sad, but true

KHAAAAAANNN!!!!

But, with Salvation just around the corner, I can live with this alternate history being put to bed.

I'd love to see Lena Headey fly a boat in Serenity verse. That woman rocks harder than AC/DC on a fault-line.

By now most of you have heard the news that T:SCC is cancelled. I received a call earlier today from Peter Roth at Warner Bros. and I appreciate both his personal and professional support throughout this show’s life. I know a lot of you are angry about the cancellation and want to find a place to direct your anger and to that I say do yourself a favor and find a way to move past it. Every network wants a big fat hit, especially one with a brand name behind it, and Fox was/is no different. They supported the show, they supported my vision of the show, and they gave it plenty of time to find an audience.

And what an audience we found: passionate, intelligent, kind of nuts in a good way. My only complaint about the T:SCC fans is that there aren’t ten million of them. But I prefer to be happy for the ones we had instead of lamenting the ones we didn’t.

Good shows are cancelled every year; smart shows, worthy shows, shows which move their viewers to write blogs and have viewing parties and create action figures and bury executives’ email accounts under thousands of messages. I miss Deadwood and The Wire and Arrested Development but thank God that I still have Rescue Me and The Office and a recently renewed Party Down written by ex-T:SCC writer John Enbom.

Bad shows are cancelled, too. And certainly there are those who did not like what we did and had their own vision for what a Terminator TV show should be. It’s easy to look at low ratings or cancellation as “failure” and for those who believe we’ve gone about this all wrong I’m sure today’s news will only serve to confirm a world view that I would never try to change. We’ve written the show as best we can, executed it to the best of our abilities, and sent it out in the world knowing that we worked out asses off to do something that wouldn’t be a waste of anybody’s forty-three minutes.

Thanks to a brave and talented cast, a feature crew working on a TV schedule, and everyone else who I could list but won’t because they know who they are. Mostly I’d like to thank those of you who’ve supported us and fought for us and given up hours of your life to watch our show. At the end of the day, that’s what it’s about. The watching.

Hope we do it again soon.

Josh Friedman

You may not be aware of this, but you can't fire a woman for getting pregnant. Look at a show like "How I met your mother". BOTH female leads in the show were pregnant at the same time. They weren't fired, and the pregnancies were not written into the storyline.

Firing someone because they got pregnant, isn't how it works.

In a world where Felicity's audience stopped watching because she changed her freaking hair-style, can anyone doubt that audiences would be shallow enough to stop watching if the main female character suddenly lost her boobs?

I'll continue to watch House M.D., but that's about all that appeals to me on the FOX schedule... I'm not going to invest myself in Fringe now, because I know they'll shitcan it like they always do with scifi. The mouth-breathing American Idol audience doesn't "get" scifi.

Of course they do the same thing with Lost, but I'm invested in Lost so I'll make the effort; for a sitcom that I found moderately amusing I couldn't be bothered.

Oh. Just watched season 3. Damn that's good. Thankyou WB!!!