Please get better soon "24". You were good once.

They just don't get the internet. They bitch about the Wolverine print being leaked, and it opens huge. Then they release the 24 DVD/Blu-Ray set before the TV episodes have finished airing. And no doubt bitch about the ratings taking a hit, and piracy being responsible.

God damn fucktards...

Fucking spoilers.

Now, to the bittorrent client!

Oh and Rack Bauer has the hottest action scenes imaginable.

2. Lost

3. 24

4. Supernatural

10. Heroes

Don't like it? Fuck you, it's my list (and yeah, I missed out 5 - 9, but I couldn't think of anything to bridge the gap between the awesomeness of 'Supernatural' and the shitiness of 'Heroes')

It's possible.

"we sure had quite a year"

"what are you talking about? it's may"

office would've had a great finale if it wasn't rushed in half an episode.

scrubs had a good series finale, but now that we know that there's gonna be more, it feels somehow less... good.

chuck probably deserves #5 on that list. if for no other reason, then for "I know kung fu." and "chuck me!"

T:TSCC finale was also very good, but just as knowing that there will be more scurbs takes it away from their finale, knowing that SCC is canceled makes me think that it could've been better (more plots resolved, no GIANT cliffhanger/gamechanger at the end)

in the "meh" category we have bones, house, united states of tara and FNL (which is, in my opinion, on of the best series on TV that no one is watching. it's just that I thing that penultimate episode -yes, I went there- was better season finale then the actual one).

and then we have prison break season/series finale. which makes heroes/smallville seem like golden globe material. the sheer amount of bullshit launched at the viewers (were there any?) in the last season culminated with that 2 hour finale to that degree that, while forcing myself to watch, I felt like I was at bukkake party gone horribly wrong. and to think wow good the first and second (before the shitty and unnecessary ending) seasons were...

and just for the record: I loved BSG finale, and would put it on top of the list. I also understand that not all people think like me (yet! my synchromind device is almost complete...), and that lots of people hated/disliked it.

Tony is awfully pushy in meeting the HDIC.

And yeah, way to end on the kind of lukewarm action scene you'd expect with 20 mins to go... then give us nothing but season 8 setup, only after which do we realise that yes, that really WAS the climax in that warehouse. Really?? :-(

Sack or no sack.

Jack body count: 3.

Jack just had a spinal tap, has 2 hours to live from a prion-variant virus, and was shot with a severe dose of muscle relaxant. And he gets up and owns 3 doctors and escapes? That's almost as impossibly ridiculous as the First Gentleman killing a youthful, militarily-trained SS agent while in a drug-induced stupor.

But god help me, I'm loving this episode.

What?

That must be how BSB feels when typing!

This show is ridiculous, but awesome, all at once.

Jack's BodyCount still sits at: 3.

Mostly, I love her Baby Boobs.

Chrth - good on ya

Rack Bauer 2: Even Rackier?

Rack Bauer 2: Yeah... I'm at a loss.

Not the, er... best written line.

It did hammer their point that Torture is good. And I'm all for more ass kicking Rack Bauer.

MUDDERFUCKERSSS!!!!!!

Janis: "What if Bauer can't defeat them?"

Chloe: "Beady-eyes is right let's help him ... or we could just sit around and glare."

All: "We'll see it through that's what we're always here to do so we will walk through the fire"

Which means that, yep... it's a Buffy marathon.

I agree she could get her own series.

It goes all the way back to Season 1...when Mandy heads off on her first terrorism involved assigment. She appeared at the end of season 2 to kill Palmer and she appeared in Season 4 in signifigant role as well...always used to help further the "shadow groups" plans. She is a connecting link.

Obviously these evil forces are looking to drive up all their oil interests and create a world war 3 in the process with the endgame as yet unclear. Season 1 was about taking out a Presidential candidate that was obviously gonna mess things up for them. Season 2 was about starting a nuclear war and driving up oil prices...followed by another attempt to kill Prez Palmer. Season 3 was about undermining the President's (Saunders was obviously released by the shadow powers that be to wreak havoc)authority. Season 4 was about handing over a Mid-East extremist a chance to blow up L.A. and basically do what they were tyring to do in Season 2 PLUS offing the President in the meantime and getting Charles Logan into power. Season 5 was about tying up loose ends that knew about the conspiracy and getting the Russians to start WW3 with an attack from the U.S. and protecting their puppet Prez's position. Season 6 was about one of the patriarchs of the conspiracy (Pa Bauer) trying to protect his legacy and once again setting things up for Mid-East terrorists to start WW3 once again. Was Pa Bauer the end??

NO! Season 7 was about revealing more of these shadow guys and in Will Patton revealing the biggest highest ranking shadow conspiracy guy yet! Here we saw the beginnings of another plan as opposed to reacting to the results of another plan. They were trying to creat their latest weapon and this time Jack and Rack and (mostly vengeful Tony) caught them in the act, stopped it, and caught a Big Fish!!! And the end had Rack getting ready to get some juicy details out of him about the conspiracy (finally!!!) and Jack getting ready to get revived and prepare to take on the BIG conspiracy finallly!!!! With the end of Season 8 possibly leading to an end-all blast-all feature film finale??

I tell you people it's good times to be a 24 fan!!!

Or, if that is too gimmicky then get a real heavy actor like Robert DeNiro or Gene Hackman or Morgan Freeman to be the main baddie.

Imagine Donald or one of those others giving the whole diatribe about why they have done what they have done and all this....and Jack like accusing them of every life theyve taken like Terry, Chappele, Michelle, Edgar,Curtis, Prez Palmer etc. and taking him down!

Jack Bauer has evolved too. I was critical of the "Jack is dying" plot for a while because the outcome never seemed in doubt. But what the writers managed was show that Jack Bauer is not the same man Heller chewed out at the end of Season 6. This Bauer has faced his demons in light of his imminent death. His conversation with Renee was poignant- great acting there too. Bauer is the focus of this show, not Almeida. And Bauer's soul was saved this season. And fuck the right-wing backlash, but his scene with the Imam was also moving. Maybe the human weapon died tonight and the new Jack will be a wiser, less impulsive man. I would like to see them explore something along those lines.

Solid writing, great acting, I enjoyed this more thoughtful 2-part finale.

1. Write out the stories in advanced: 24 is notorious for being the only serialized show that makes up the story as they go along. It is painfully obvious that they know that they'll have two archs and they'll fill in the gap in between. Sometimes, it even seems that the second arch in the second half of the season is built out of the holes they wrote themselves in in the first half of the season. Sit down with your writers, work out the beats for the season (you know...like a beginning, middle and end) and try to make sense of it.

2. Establish new recurring/staple characters: Remember Palmer, Sherri, Nina, etc.? Those were characters we cared about and, despite msotly bad acting and irrational character decisions, we were emotionally invested in them. The problem is that the rate of staple characters they are killing off is exceeding the rate of new characters they are succesfully establishing. I'm glad they kept Tony alive and I hope they keep this new big bad alive..even Rack Bauer can prove to have some potential.

3. Make it more personal: The plot doesn't have to involve national security anymore. The zeitgeist has changed, and with it, what people want to see has changed as well. Tonight's finale was interesting because there was a lot of quiet moments where Jack would pontificate about moral ambiguity in the twilight of his life. Those are interesting concepts to address in a life of a man who has done so much wrong for the greater good. Build your plot so it is conducive to address the personal sturggles with the characters. Get rid of the endless faceless bad guys, the long listed criminal conspiracies, the 20 different government agencies involved, and even the President (doesn't have to be a regular cast member).

4. And finally, make Jack a morally ambiguous "bad" guy: Yeah I said it. Want to get your old fans back? Do what is the logical next step. Have Jack go vigilante rogue for what he believes is the greater good. Every season has little bits and pieces of this theme, but it's always to the extent where the audience is on his side. I've always imagined a season akin to 'Watchmen', with Jack finally finding the big bad, and pulling a Dr. Manhattan and deciding that the things he is now fighting for has changed and he no longer believes in them. He'll listen to what the Big Bad has to say, turn over to the "dark side", turn to Rack Bauer, and shoot her in the heart. SILENT CLOCK. The subsequent season will deal with what he'll be doing with the big bad and in the last season, his eventual redemption when he sacrifices himself for the greater good.

Here's what I think happens:

1. Season Eight begins with a new, anti-torture Jack...who, over the course of the season, realizes that his going soft costs more innocent lives than doing things the other way.

2. Jack befriending Mr. Muslim just stinks of conservative propaganda. A kind of "See? We can all get along!" type thing...it felt very cheap this season, that whole two-episode mini-arc that ends with Mr. Muslim and Jack having a gay nod of "Hey, you're all right" to each other.

3. The stem cell treatment could very well be revealed to have compromised Kim's health or maybe even killed her by the time next season starts. And we all know what kind of message THAT would send...

Bottom line is, don't get your hopes up. I'm definitely looking at it glass-half-empty, but there's no reason for the show to change, so why would it? Hell, I'll still watch. I could give a damn about political agendas. But I'm not blind, either.

Season 5 opener marked the beginning of trashy plots and stupid kill-offs of familiar characters. They never recovered from that trash!

The conspiracy laid out with Max and friends back in season 2 was so great and they missed the opportunity totally! Instead they brought in the chinese AND the rogue Bauer family - what a waste of script paper and continuity! They could have thrown in good ol' cold bitch Mandy anytime for a guest ppearance now and then, but they DIDN'T! What a shame!
Now they really have to go DEEPER and DEEPER to dig up that bloody conspiracy thing they should have followed more intensely before instead of blowing up everything they see to feed us with action, action, action!
Next season though I'll be back again with Jack, Rack and Co. Because I WANT to love it! And because I'm an optimist! And I want Tony back on Jack's side - though I fear it will be next to impossible!

But GET Mandy AND Max BACK! For a great series finale!!!

I was going to give Under Your Spell to the President and Ethan, but now I'm thinking Logan and Olivia. Although Logan might be better as Spike to Olivia's Buffy. What does everybody think?

So Remaque may have been premature with her Bauerizing.

Jack definitely will open the season with Going Through the Motions; I mean, that's the whole point of Once More ... With Torture -- Jack coming to terms with being alive.

In season 8 we actually learn about the guy who hired Wilson! Hopefully that next guy has Max and Mandy in his chain of command...

Jack to Kim (probably with offspring): "I died So many weeks ago But you can make me feel Like it isn't so"

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a) Asking?
b) Humiliating?
c) Torturing?
Killing?

"The real terrorists aren't foreign haters of America but U.S. defense contractors, stem cells offer the hope of miracle cures for biological-weapon attacks, and when Jack Bauer seeks deathbed counsel he calls a Muslim imam."

Go ahead and hate on me personally. Don't care. This is a liberal forum and I respect that. Again, just wondering what the AICN response would be.

Did Freckles smile all season. I've been hoping we'd see her finally smile in the finale, but it never happened! :(

they need to kill this show now more than ever. go away and come back as a movie like x-files.

this show has no idea what it's trying to achieve anymore.