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A Review Of ABC’s Alien Nazi-Lizard Sci-Fi Remake Pilot V!!

WHERE IS THE FUCKING LOST TB?! by Dhaemon	May 13th, 2009 12:22:04 PM
:(
Herc opens the Fringe Talkback a day Early by Dhaemon	May 13th, 2009 12:24:18 PM
While Lost gets the shaft and gets posted a few hours beforehand. Fuck Fringe, Fuck V, the only thing that matters right now is the LOST Season Finale!
The lizards turn out to be right-wing extremists by fiester	May 13th, 2009 12:25:04 PM
Either that or Republicans. Heh.
Elizabeth Mitchell??? by x factor	May 13th, 2009 12:25:45 PM
Hmmmm...but what about LOST??? Could those beautiful cans be leaving the island, or would filming not interfere w/ LOST?
what's this LOST you speak of? by just pillow talk	May 13th, 2009 12:28:55 PM
Never heard of it.
Lost is where dreams are made of.... by Dhaemon	May 13th, 2009 12:32:23 PM
Where you can be free with your long hair waving in the wind and can frolic across the countrysideeeee...fuck that It's the most amazing show ever, prepare to have your eyeballs and ears fucked tonight from it's awesomeness!!!
Morenna Bacarin by Jor-El23	May 13th, 2009 12:34:15 PM
She of the "Crazy Eyes" from the classic How I Met Your Mother episode "Swarley". I can definitely see her as the alien leader...so is this show an actual series or a mini?
The lizards turn out to be right-wing extremists by iakobos	May 13th, 2009 12:35:21 PM
by fiester Either that or Republicans. Heh. ------------------------------ ---------- Yeah knowing how stupid and liberal Hollywood is these days that's probably exactly how they'll play it. Then our President, the savior, can swoop in, spend 100 trillion dollars and fix it, forever banishing alien lizards and conservatives from the planet. Sounds like a winner.
So where's Sybil Danning? by thegreatwhatzit	May 13th, 2009 12:36:06 PM
Just asking...
Jor-El23 by Hercules	May 13th, 2009 12:38:27 PM
If it's picked up it will be intended as an ongoing series, not another mini.
Its very clear that the V-Lizards are Republicans... by Fareal	May 13th, 2009 12:53:36 PM
...because they are evil and want to take control of America. There really isn't any other way to describe the Republican Party of today except by caling them evil.
Elizabeth Mitchell? by kwisatzhaderach	May 13th, 2009 01:01:47 PM
Excellent.
Just so you know, Fareal... by Erik J. Pflueger	May 13th, 2009 01:13:45 PM
I have been a Republican ever since I was old enough to vote, and in all those years, I can assure you, I have never wanted to eat live animals, harvest humans for food, or steal this planet's water. :) Leaving party affiliation aside (as is warranted, I feel), I would be most interested to hear your opinions on the V franchise. Have you seen either of the miniseries or any of the series episodes? Have you read any of the novels? Or that short-lived comic back in the '80s? If so, I would welcome your thoughts.
Yeah except today's Repubs... by Kid Z	May 13th, 2009 01:23:26 PM
...don't believe in science and Magic Bearded Sky Daddy won't help out re: providing city-sized flying saucers so the analogy falls apart.
That's weird, I'm not Republican ... (and Morena) by chrth	May 13th, 2009 01:35:13 PM
but I do want to eat live animals, harvest humans for food, and steal this planet's water. Weird. I'm still not sold on Morena. Unless they're going a different direction with her character from the original (which the name change could indicate), I can't see her pulling it off. Everything I've seen her in she's had a vulnerability to her character, and I can't remember ever seeing that with Diana.
Remake of a cheesy Sci-Fi TV Classic.... by zer0cool2k2	May 13th, 2009 01:47:39 PM
Trying to keep a serious tone... Not too much emphasis on sci-fi tech... Grounded in reality... ....Battlestar Galactica... Sounds like someone trying to copy Ron Moore to me. Let's just hope it's half as good.
Great cast. by HoboCode	May 13th, 2009 01:49:01 PM
Better than this deserves. Maybe it will surprise me. If they can make BSG cool again anything can happen.
Twist by RenoNevada2000	May 13th, 2009 02:02:12 PM
At the end of the pilot episode we discover that the Visitors are actually humans and the planet we thought was Earth is actually an alien world! (Thus setting it up as a Ron Moore-esque allegory of the Bush Admin's foreign wars of adventure and agression.)
what about the laser guns and shuttles?? by porkinz the x-wing instructor	May 13th, 2009 02:09:25 PM
what do they look like? sound effects for them? tell us more about the tech, dude!
Half as good as Ron Moore's BSG would make this... by The Gipper	May 13th, 2009 02:32:48 PM
...utter crap. The old weekly V series (as opposed to the two mini series), as crappy as it was, is still better than Moore's rape of BSG. Seriously, who wears ties and business suits in anything other than a cheap, crappy fanfilm (which is essentially all that Moore has ever been able to produce.)
And Joel Gretsch ROCKS!!! by The Gipper	May 13th, 2009 02:35:20 PM
Joel Gretsch was great in The 4400. I think this show has promise. Plus, did you know that Joel is William Shatner's son-in-law?
that explains Gretsch's scifi thing by oisin5199	May 13th, 2009 02:43:09 PM
even though 4400 wasn't aliens, it still felt like it. So Gretsch was in Taken (the Spielberg miniseries that introduced Dakota Fanning), 4400 and now this. I'll watch this to see Mitchell and Tudyk interact, especially when faced with eeevil Inara.
If this show produces a full season... by daggor	May 13th, 2009 02:44:08 PM
I have no doubt that an alien dude will be moanin' and groanin' with a human chick, and a baby will result. It's a lock.
I like the cast... by Hugh G Rekshun	May 13th, 2009 02:45:19 PM
...but making a sci-fi series w/o sci-fi is just stupid. P.S., Galatica was vastly overrated.
Weapon Sounds by HOTPEE	May 13th, 2009 02:47:05 PM
Yeah, do the laser guns make the same distictive...Swoosh..or is it more like..Swiish...? Or is it a Zwiish..Sound. I don't know, I cant remember.
Alan Tudyk by M Bison	May 13th, 2009 02:54:28 PM
Alan's role is very interesting in the pilot and I think they picked the perfect person for it. I won't give away any more details because he is involved in a pretty big "reveal" towards the end of the pilot.
As far as the "Sci-Fi" in the show goes... by M Bison	May 13th, 2009 02:56:18 PM
It is there, but very subdued. Its just background pieces to the drama that is going on. I'm sure there will be episodes (if it gets picked up for a full series) that will dwell on the techno-babble.
Weapon Sounds by M Bison	May 13th, 2009 02:57:18 PM
The pilot does not involve any Visitor beat-downs so no idea what they will end up doing in that regard.
The 4400 > Heroes \| Galactica 1980 > Ron Moore's BSG by The Gipper	May 13th, 2009 03:01:04 PM
Wolfman Jack and flying motorcycles are 100x better than Ron Moore's craptacular BSG.
Sounds cliched by FuzzyLumpkins	May 13th, 2009 03:28:38 PM
DHS agents investigating a terrorist cell, a priest struggling with his faith, an ambitious reporter... I'll give it a chance, but they better have some damn good writing.
Wait, what? by Raymar	May 13th, 2009 03:31:22 PM
Does this mean Juliet is dead or what..?
right wing extremists? by Himbo	May 13th, 2009 03:41:05 PM
Would be far more likely to establish a revolution to the imposed world order. The V story is an allegory of the slow-boil rise of Nazi-ism: the Nationalist Socialist party. When was the last time you met a Republican socialist from the workers party? Had you studied either political history OR your television history you would know better than your assertions indicate. Of course I voted for Ron Paul at one point. So I'm on the Lizards' watch-list.
Wait, there are still Republicans? by fiester	May 13th, 2009 03:42:39 PM
I thought they were calling themselves Teabaggers now, since no one wants to be known as a Republican. Even their hero, Joe the Dumber, er Plumber, has abandoned the party. Cheney/Limbaugh '12!
Fiester by Toonol	May 13th, 2009 04:13:49 PM
Maybe the aliases are to avoid the watch lists the government is compiling, of people evil enough not to have differing views than our Dear Leader.
Nazis were Left Wing Extremists by mistergreen	May 13th, 2009 04:17:39 PM
They were Socialist.
Morenna Bacarin AND Alan Tudyk by skimn	May 13th, 2009 04:20:29 PM
Together again..no mention of the Firefly costars..? And yes, Alan Tudyk is a talented actor. See his performance in Death At A Funeral.
So will this be promoted as by skimn	May 13th, 2009 04:24:37 PM
"Not your father's V" ?
Nazis believed in authoritarian chaos. by kabong	May 13th, 2009 04:36:25 PM
Left, Right, whatever . . . so long as the masses obeyed.
Toonol by fiester	May 13th, 2009 04:38:34 PM
A lot of those right-wing nutjobs need to be on watchlists. I only wish Tim McVeigh had been on one. "Hey Lois look it's the two symbols of the Republican party: an elephant and a fat white guy who fears change!" -P. Griffin
And I didn't hear you wingnuts complaining about watchlists... by fiester	May 13th, 2009 04:41:46 PM
When Dubya was pushing The Patriot Act down our collective throats...
The thing about the Nazis... by Erik J. Pflueger	May 13th, 2009 04:45:08 PM
is that Hitler actually devised the name of his part specifically to be a catch-all. Think about it: National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), that's a name that has something for anyone, or at least that was the intent. National = right, Socialist = left, German = right, Workers' = left. It was one more way of making the ideology vague so that more and more ordinary German citizens who were disgusted with the other parties could fill in the blanks with their own hopes and desires. But that was Hitler's style: he constantly made contradictory promises to various interests - whatever got him support from a given group, he'd say it. In the end, though the nationalist and expansionist element would appear to put the Nazis at least in orbit of the right, the fact is that there was no set ideology: Nazism was whatever Hitler said it was on any given day.
The hate of the liberal left... by zacdilone	May 13th, 2009 04:46:43 PM
...will do more to hurt this country than the policies of W ever did.
Tudyk AND Baccarin? by xsi kal	May 13th, 2009 04:59:11 PM
I am so there.
Tudyk is a lizard. That's the big reveal by Riley Martin	May 13th, 2009 05:45:09 PM
**********SPOILER*******
This guy... by SSquirrel	May 13th, 2009 05:49:43 PM
is in my WoW guild. Go Bison! A love of the old V show is one of the few things he and I agree on :)
AND THE CREATIVE DESERT CONTINUES by rben	May 13th, 2009 06:05:09 PM
in an oasis of hollywood assholes!
mmm Morena Baccarin is perfect by aversiontherapy2	May 13th, 2009 06:07:50 PM
for Anna.
zacdilone... by gavdiggity	May 13th, 2009 06:15:57 PM
I think you're thinking of gay marriage. THAT's the real threat to the republic.
In for Morenna Bacarin Swallowing... by Domi'sInnerChild	May 13th, 2009 06:19:54 PM
a guinea pig. Or anything for that matter.
The World is a Kindergarten by RaRoMo	May 13th, 2009 06:49:58 PM
The Democrats are toddlers running around, fat arms raised, poop in their diapers. The Republicans are the good-looking teachers who try to convince the Demos not to eat their own poop (Look, Johnny, a big, ripe, red apple!) An unpleasant job, but someone's got to help the babies. And BTW, a V reboot sounds kinda interesting. Better than another lawyer/doctor show.
I'll watch anything that has Elizabeth Mitchell in it. by 3D-Man	May 13th, 2009 06:52:36 PM
She makes my little wizard happy.
This remake will be yet another fuck up! by scriptgirl_nipples	May 13th, 2009 07:04:31 PM
And it feels like JJ Abrams?... just fucking proves this will be SHIT!
The Gipper - genrefanboy? Is that you? by Kobaal	May 13th, 2009 07:14:19 PM
Irrational and vitriolic hate for a much loved and very well received reboot, endless irrelevant repetition no-one is interested in, absurd comparisons outside any realm of objectivity... yep it's you! Now scurry off to the Star Trek talkback and keep boring everyone with your asinine bullshit.
Wonder if there will be cameos by MurderMostFowl	May 13th, 2009 07:55:55 PM
MIchael Ironside perhaps? Marc Singer and Robert Englund probably aren't too busy doing anything.
Yes, I was a fan of the "V" made for TV movies, but the... by Fareal	May 13th, 2009 08:01:13 PM
...TV series sucked. The TV movies were really good for the time. It actually had a point to it, the Aliens were like Nazi's and this time America was occupied. Then they did the TV show, it was a weekly suck fest. I hope this time it is far better. I really have to ammend my earlier statement. The Republican Party itself is Evil, but there are Republicans in it who are not. Its like saying that the Nazi Party itself was Evil, but there were people within the party who were not evil, and actually tried to kill Hitler, like Tom Cruise's character in Valkerie. So yes, I am comparing the Republican Party to the Nazis, and former V.P Dick Cheney to Hitler. George W. Bush was just following his orders.
Political Subtexts of the original by Sgt.Steiner	May 13th, 2009 08:26:06 PM
Reagan was an enthusiastic supporter of funding El Salvador, despite the fact, that the military dictatorship's death squads were running around, decimating the populace. Troops, I might add, provided with American ammunition and trained at the School of the Americas. Look up El Mozote. The point is that the opening of the original miniseries has a dedication to resistance fighters everywhere, then follows that with a sympathetic depiction of a guerilla leader being filmed Mike Donovan and his associate Tony. Hence, while the rest is ant-Nazi allegory, the right wing and their hero, the morally dubious and overrated Ronald Reagan, get dissed.
Re: Patriot Act. by chrth	May 13th, 2009 08:29:38 PM
I'm glad Obama and the Democratic Congress got rid of it so fast.
As long as by Goody2shoes	May 13th, 2009 09:06:04 PM
they have the moutain camp attack scene, or something similar, I'm in, at least for the pilot. That's gotta be my favorite sequence out of the whole miniseries. We found out how hardcore Julie was at the end of it when she said they may have to sacrifice thounsands to save billions, after she faced down Diana's fighter with a pistol. I'm a little iffy about this being a weekly thing, though. I was a kid when the original weekly series was on and even I thought it was crap.
when will you learn by frank cotton	May 13th, 2009 09:14:21 PM
that ALL politicians are evil. they only tell different lies. morons
sounded great, untill u mentioned jar jar abrams by toguy	May 13th, 2009 09:25:15 PM
he will forever be the man that pummeled star trek into stupidity
Fareal, about Cruise's character in Valkyrie... by Erik J. Pflueger	May 13th, 2009 09:43:32 PM
Colonel Count von Stauffenberg was not and never had been a member of the Nazi Party; he was instead a scion of ancient German Catholic nobility and a proud Army family. There were a number of members of the Nazi Party in the Resistance, this is true, but Stauffenberg was not among them. Though I REALLY do not want to get too deeply entrenched in a political debate, I have to honestly ask if the only Republicans who appear NOT to be evil in your eyes are those who oppose their party. If so, then I suppose I must be evil in your eyes, for I would not have become a Republican if I did not agree with its ideals. I do so because, like all of you here who selected a party or ideology that works for you, I made an informed decision to do so, because I thought (and still think) that its ideals make the most sense to me. I do not for a moment ask for anyone here who thinks differently to feel ashamed of their own beliefs, and in fairness, no one should expect me to be ashamed of mine. But at least I won't be harvesting you for food and taking the water back to Sirius. :P Which brings me to the topic at hand: I am glad you liked the miniseries, and agree with you that the TV series marked the franchise's sudden and steep decline. Have you seen the DVD of the original miniseries? If not, I know you would like hearing miniseries creator Kenneth Johnson's commentary track; I am sure you would find it both informative and enjoyable. But don't take my word for it, as I'm sure there are many here who would tell you the same thing.
All of you are wrong. by Voice O. Reason	May 13th, 2009 09:55:31 PM
Both the left and right have both authoritarian extremes (as well as anarchist kooks). The left has the ideology of communism, the right has the ideology of fascism. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are anywhere close to being either of these things. I don't like the Republican Party, and think Bush was terrible, but this same party also gave us Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Lincoln. And using huge deficits to cure an economic downturn doesn't make you a socialist, his support for Bush's bail-outs prove Obama is trying to save corporate America. No Republican seemed to mind big deficits when it was being used to prop up the defense industry in the 1980s, finance a tax cut, or rebuild Iraq. The Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different.
Voice O. Reason... by Erik J. Pflueger	May 13th, 2009 10:02:48 PM
I may not agree with every point you make, but I've got to hand it to you: your entry was thought-out, informed, and most importantly, it was balanced. I don't ask anyone to think differently than they do; I only ask that they be FAIR.
Voice by nyj_et	May 13th, 2009 11:15:51 PM
I disagree with your boiling-down of both the Democratic and Republican parties. The left has the ideology of socialism (often confused with communism) and the right has the ideology of capitalism. That the Republicans were in power on 9/11 is the reason the facism tag is so often put on the right. I have no doubt that were Gore the president during this time, the Republicans would have been protesting his version of the Patiot Act, or criticizing the Gore Administration's handling of coerced interrogation as "torture", even though it isn't as bad as anything you'll find on the campus of any american university during Rush Week.
wait... by doubleARon	May 14th, 2009 12:51:03 AM
I'm not usually the paranoid type, but no one has called plant on this? I especially like the part where his buddy from Wow drops on to lend legitimacy to him. Read it again with leafy glasses on. :)
doubleARon by Sgt.Steiner	May 14th, 2009 01:12:38 AM
Yes, and the review is not evaluative, and reads like a plot synopsis.
V hasn't aged well. by JumpinJehosaphat	May 14th, 2009 01:43:35 AM
The difference between looking through adult eyes and kid eyes, I guess. Man, I was really forgiving of bad effects!
"it isn't as bad as anything during Rush Week" by oxblow	May 14th, 2009 01:47:19 AM
brings to mind Zizek's comment about how the soldiers at Al Ghraib weren't torturing the Iraqi prisoners so much as initiating them into American culture...
V Was Remade Already...It's Called Independence Day by Media Messiah	May 14th, 2009 01:50:16 AM
Easter Egg! (.)(.) Script Girl should have played the chesty lead alien villain in the new V. Well, anyway, since they are doing this new V...we'll only have to wait 16 years or so for someone to rip-off the remake of V, and remake that as Independence Day 2.
Mitchell...(Spoiler for LOST) by TOASTERslayer	May 14th, 2009 02:09:43 AM
RIP Juliet...I'm glad Mitchell landed another project, I think she's an excellent actress...
Wasn't V dedicated to the Contra Freedom Fighters? by kirttrik	May 14th, 2009 02:58:52 AM
Reagonomics fuck'n kicks ass.
THIS TALKBACK IS ABOUT LIZARD PEOPLE by J-Dizzle	May 14th, 2009 02:58:53 AM
Would the political idiots stay of it, oh wait second....... you people ARE Lizard People. My bad.
Wow, J-dzzle I just posted that. by kirttrik	May 14th, 2009 02:59:49 AM
Good response time.
SORRY TOASTERSLAYER by J-Dizzle	May 14th, 2009 03:00:04 AM
She didn't die. If she did, she wouldn't have been able to trigger the bomb would she?
Left behind, Right up to their necks by mulberry	May 14th, 2009 04:09:39 AM
US politics is funny (except when it spills over into foreign policy and affects the rest of us). You basically only have 2 political parties. That's weird. Then you are suprised that these 45% catch-alls contain a wide range of very different core ideologies. Authoritarians? Check - religious right and politically correct zealots individualists - right wing libertarians and left wing anarchists Socially-conscious activists? check - plenty of people, religious and non-religious, left and right, give of their time and resources to help their fellow humans Oligarchs? check - Ultra-capitalist Corporatists and semi-communist Unionists. You want socialism? Go to Cuba, or Korea. They're nasty. Or maybe try Sweden and Norway. Very pleasant. You want an end to big government? Try Somalia. They haven't got one at all, or some places in Pakistan or Mongolia. You can live your entire life and not see a government official. Political dynasties and corruption? Check. Both sides People who've come from poverty to greatness? Check. Both sides. You want "moral values" at the core of government? Try Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or the Philippines You want freer markets and purer forms of capitalism? Go to Egypt, and you can spend all day every day haggling ad nauseam for whatever you want. No fixed prices. Or Venezuela, where anti-competitive monopolies/cartels are being dealt with head-on. Or all those places where restrictive copyright and intellectual property laws and minimum humane working conditions imposed by governments are ignored. almost as if the left-right dichotomy you all keep banging on about, is a convenience at best, is in constant evolution (or intelligent redesign) and is really, really specific to US culture and history (and I wouldn't dare say it mainly boils down to what people deem as acceptable level of taxation). Whining about Hollywood politics is about as meaningful as complaining that your dog has bad breath and farts occasionally.
I'd like to see Morenna Baccarin eat Elizabeth Mitchell.... by Midnightxpress	May 14th, 2009 04:24:56 AM
Talk about a ratings winner...
Mulberry.. by The Dark Shite	May 14th, 2009 06:16:39 AM
Moral values at the core of government in the Philippines? You ever been there? It's one of the most outwardly corrupt governments in the world & they don't care who knows it. I worked there for 3 months & got the fuck out. I'm all for a V remake! I loved it when I was a kid, but it's laughable now. Much like BSG, it can only be imporved upon. The premise is cool as fuck!
Another sign of Hollywood being creatively BANKRUPT by Big Dumb Ape	May 14th, 2009 06:24:25 AM
Will I check this out? Sure, what the heck. I can Tivo it and on a Saturday night with some pizza and beer maybe kick back and watch it as I catch up on some things. The lifelong geek in me usually checks out assorted sci-fi, fantasy, horror stuff for the fun of it. And I'm old enough to remember the original, so there's a part of me that will watch it and say "Okay, let's see what they changed." But am I EXCITED about it? Not really. I mean, as I just said, I can sit back and watch it, in order to see what they changed. But I predict this will just fall under the banner of my saying "WHY DO I CARE?" Seriously, a bunch of you are debating politics and all -- but even if you wanted to do a show with that kind of statement or background, then why not just create a NEW sci-fi show that allowed you to tackle those themes? And that's the bottom line for me -- was the world REALLY demanding a new version of a failed TV show from the early Eighties? If you were going to do a TV show about a freakin' alien invasion...and the effect it has on the Earth and people, at which point you do story arcs about them...what, you're telling me Hollywood is SO creatively bankrupt that it had to resurrect V as opposed to creating something new? That could have added to the genre? So, sure, I'll probably check it out, but my enthusiasm meter isn't exactly off the scale for this one. Just seems like Hollywood being lazy yet again, and that strikes me as sad since -- speaking as a writer myself -- I just have to believe there's probably some pretty kick-ass or rock solid "alien invasion" scripts just sitting and languishing in Hollywood, and yet rather that give something NEW a change, these dopes decided to serve up yet another retread.
Loved V as a kid by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 14th, 2009 06:38:57 AM
Cant wait to see what they do with it :) And it was dedicated to all freedom fighters, not just the Contras lol Here mousey mousey ;)
DS by mulberry	May 14th, 2009 07:28:23 AM
Moral values in the sense of ensure the population toe the line. I wouldn't expect politicians anywhere to follow the same rules as those they have set in for the plebs.
Of course not, mulberry, by The Dark Shite	May 14th, 2009 07:52:18 AM
They're politicans.
Erik J. Pflueger, let us turn this into a political debate... by Fareal	May 14th, 2009 07:54:13 AM
...because the decision in the past election wasn't between a Democrat and a Republican; it was between survival and destruction. If America had elected McCain/Palin, then we would have been on an expressway to Hell. The financial apocolypse would have continued, the Recession woulf have turned into a Depression, and the government wouldn't do a damn thing, eventually leading to anarchy. Therefore, I do believe there are good Republicans, like there were good guys who were part of the German army who opposed what the Nazi's were doing. Wasn't the current Pope a member of the German army? However, the Republican Party itself doesn't give a damn about us, they only care about following a narrow, rigid ideology that if followed would lead to the destruction of America. If Rightwing policies were followed, then America would turn into another Mexico. A very small percentage, like 1%-2%, would own everything, then you would have a small professional class of maybe 3%-4%, and the other 95%-96% would be the working/non-working poor. Cutting taxes and less government always leads to this. Throughout history this has been the norm. It was only in the 20th century in America when the government started to intervene in the economy that we had a "middle class". It took a while, but I think the majority of Americans have finally seen the light, and they realize that less government means less help, and most of us need help, unless you are one of those delusional rightwingers who think they can take care of themselves without any government help, untlil some kind of disaster comes along and they are the first in line to cry for help from the GOVERNMENT that they were attacking just a few days earlier. If you really want less government, then be prepared to accept the consequences.
I liked V, so I'll give it a go by Pistachio_Wildebeest	May 14th, 2009 08:26:08 AM
But if the Visitors are raiding Earth for water when the outer solar system is full of useful ice moons (none of which have any pesky monkeys to shoot back), I don't think I can take it seriously. Yeah, I know, allegory, but the sci-fi foundations are dubious at best - and if they're going for the gritty realism, it makes that all the more obvious.
Kid Z by Juemad	May 14th, 2009 09:26:35 AM
You should try expanding your mind once in awhile. Think beyond yourself.
Did they miss the point? by Yotsuyasan	May 14th, 2009 09:41:45 AM
I'll watch it when it comes out, and try and keep an open mind. After all, I watched the new BSG series at first for the express purpose of seeing what a trainwreck it would be, and ended up being rather pleasently surprised. (Although from the comments of others, I see there are those with no love for it. But I digress.) I do worry, though, that they seem to have missed the point. The two human leads are government agents? Part of the point of the original, to me, was oridnary people being thrust into extraordinary circumstances and doing what they feel is right. I mean, the leader of the resistance was a med-student. A female one, no less, back in the 80's when Riply from Alien was probably the only major example we'd had thus far of female bad-assery. If it in this new one is someone who worked for Homeland Security? Then really, I don't see that as someone oridinary rising to the extraordinary. I see that as someone doing their job. Sure, their job may have just gotten a lot more wierd and difficult, but they are still seeing to the security of their homeland. Also, pity they seem to have done away with John. I always liked the dynamic between John and Diana, where she obviously wanted the power but still had to "suffer" under his leadership. Created an interesting and tense dynamic amongst the Visitor leadership, something that was (one of the many things) lacking in the weekly series. Speaking of Dianna... Anna? Really? That desperate to make changes that the one character discribed that really could be seen as a direct allogory to one of the characters in the original, and they have to dick with the character's name? Really? Ah, well. Guess it is time to anticipate the broadcast of this with the same mantra I kept in my head prior to the new Star Trek. "Please don't suck. Please don't suck." While I will try my best to keep an open mind, I must say that I am decidedly less optimistic on this one. (Seems increaskingly doubtful, but I'd still love to see Kenneth Johnson get his own sequel made. If you haven't already, you should read the novel version. Quite a good read.)
I really hope it's good. The original mini-series was outstandi by Mr Nicholas	May 14th, 2009 10:32:35 AM

Talk about an offer we can't refuse... by Midnightxpress	May 14th, 2009 11:00:16 AM
...yeah; I wonder what would happen if we did?
Dick Cheney is able to suck his own cock. by Fletcher_Hanks	May 14th, 2009 11:14:50 AM
That's how he ended up shooting his buddy in the face in an alleged "hunting accident." The poor guy surprised Cheney at the "wrong moment" and he accidentally fired. Remember: always put down your rifle when perving out behind a tree.
Thought this was a V talkback.... by DrMorbius	May 14th, 2009 12:28:03 PM
...but apparently not so.....If everyone got Lobotomies like FISTED, TOOGAY, FAGREAL et.al., then we would automatically be Democrats. Hmmm,poop is FUN! And the big "Reveal" would be the new aliens Don't ingest the hamsters orally, they take it up the ASS, you know, like Democrats!!!
Democrats/Republicans - Both the problem by Maxwell Bishop	May 14th, 2009 12:45:38 PM
Democrats/Republicans - they are both the problem. And while you idiots are fighting back and forth on which party has the biggest dick both parties are sinking this country into the ground. How about "we the people"? Instead of playing piss wars between two scumbag countries how about we team together and take back our country from an overspending, welfare state. OH! And "V" should be cool also!
Democrats/Republicans - Both the problem by Maxwell Bishop	May 14th, 2009 12:46:36 PM
Meant to say "between two scumbag parties" - my bad.
"It certainly has a JJ Abrams feel to it" by AsimovLives	May 14th, 2009 12:54:33 PM
That means it's shit.
I saw the original V show back in the day by AsimovLives	May 14th, 2009 12:57:00 PM
Me and my mates were completly hooked on it. wouldn't miss an episode. We always saw it as a group. an di can't even beging to describe our complete disapointment and feeling of betrayal with the last episode. There was a very moody theme played at the end credits of some second series episodes that very very cool, though.
Kobaal by The Gipper	May 14th, 2009 12:59:57 PM
"The Gipper - genrefanboy" Nope. I've been on here for years and have criticized that snoozefest of Moore's before. Never been much into Trek and certainly not into Moore's version of that either. They guy can't do a single original thing.
V was shit unless you were a kid. by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldO prahWinFreeJackHorkheimer	May 14th, 2009 02:32:37 PM
I had always hoped for the big NBC crossover event where the A-Team, Michael Knight and Gary Coleman went up against the V aliens in an all-out battle to the death. A few authors will make a little scratch penning V books again... OK, V geek trivia S.P. Somtow wrote a V novel (for the money) called V: Alien Swordmaster - A few years later Somtow directed a hilarious straight to video schlock-horror dynamo called "The Laughing Dead" - It featured cameos from a bunch of sci-fi authors like Artur Byron Cover, Ed Bryant, Tim Powers, William F. Wu, comics great Len Wein and the legendary Forrest J. Ackerman both play corpses. To appease certain Talbackers I suggest the new alien ruler in V be played by a fully nude CGI Ronald Reagan Zombie with Mark Singers voice and hair.
There was no review by whitty	May 14th, 2009 03:20:57 PM
That was basically just a plot summary. And the review aspect was extremely vague. I question whether this person really saw the pilot.
Were you asleep for the last 8 fucking years, Maxwell Bishop? by Fareal	May 14th, 2009 03:39:25 PM
The reason that America was forced to endure 8 years of George W. Bush, and the near Financial Apocolypse of the World, were people like you who decided to vote for Ralph Nader instead of Al Gore back in 2000. Nader kept saying that there was no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. Alot of people, like you, agreed with him, and it is projected that Nader got about 3% of the vote. It was enough to get George W. Bush into office, EVEN THOUGH HE GOT FEWER VOTES THAN GORE! How in the fuck can people out there keep saying that Democrats are the same as Republicans? Were you asleep for the last 8 fucking years? This is what happens when you elect a Republican President and Congress. A Democratic President, like Obama, will intervene in the economy when it starts to go to hell. A Republican President, like Bush, will do NOTHING and then lie about it by saying that "the fundamentals of the economy are strong." That is the motherfucking difference. A Democrat will take action right away. Republicans will wait until they are either forced to do something, or they are voted out of the office, AND the Democrats have to clean up their mess. Lets just keep the Democrats in charge.
nyj_et, do you even know what socialism is? by Voice O. Reason	May 14th, 2009 06:57:29 PM
If the Democrats were socialists, they'd be nationalizing corporations instead of loaning them money. Both parties support capitalism, just one wants to regulate it more than the other. Both parties are in favor of going into debt, just one wants to spend the money here in America, and the other wants to spend it in the Middle East.
Hello? Lizards are NAZI's not Republicans by GeorgieBoy	May 14th, 2009 10:04:40 PM
Nazis are more like freedom hating liberals with their abortion holocost they support. Good thing Obama is in the White House to take care of me and my paycheck and to distribute it amongst his ACORN cronies. Damn liberal brownshirts.
It's a pilot, not a debate... by Gezoes	May 15th, 2009 02:05:54 AM
The world is not filled with Americans, Demo's or and Rep's alone. You guys seem ready for a new civil war, grow up. It's a freakin' sci-fi pilot.
someone said Jar Jar Abrahams.. by TimMighty	May 15th, 2009 04:19:06 AM
...thats funny. Lets call him like that from now on. Jar Jar Abrahams.
JJ Abrams look? by jarjarmessiah	May 15th, 2009 10:31:02 AM
Lens Flares?
No Marc Singer? by jarjarmessiah	May 15th, 2009 10:31:52 AM
"My name is Dar. My Family was killed by the Jun Horde."
"...all of the characters appear to have a certain depth written by RKDN	May 15th, 2009 11:43:13 AM
are they handing out playbills for this show?
people bitching that Nader handed Bush 2 terms by RKDN	May 15th, 2009 11:44:28 AM
need to google the name "Ross Perot" and then go shut up for a long long time.
Michael Ironside plays Dick Cheney by Phil Connors	May 15th, 2009 11:59:34 AM
as the Lizard King Behind the Scenes, in an Undisclosed Location, Pulling the Strings
V was always kind of cheap looking by lockesbrokenleg	May 15th, 2009 03:51:37 PM
It had a great cast, but even then the lizard baby looked really silly.
Nader and Perot by Voice O. Reason	May 16th, 2009 12:59:04 PM
George W. Bush won his second term fair and square with a clear majority. Clinton got more votes than Dole and Perot combined.

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