and Chekov is really having a breakout Shia year, isn't he? I hope he doesn't crush his hand in a drunk driving collision in Malibu though..

T1 was awesome, T2 was very good, T3 was ok and now here we go again.

It's like having pizza every day. No matter how good it is, you still get sick of it after a while...

Bale and Worthington are both great, er, professionals. McG is pretty worrying still but this could change his reputation for the better.

Certainly worth seeing in the theatre.

THAT IS WHY HE MOMENTARILY SENT AICN BACK INTO THE PAST SO THAT IT MAY BE CLEANSED.

The censors have seen Winslets tits so many times that they get an automatic pass.

Then it would be the greatest movie since....uh well Star Drek: The Search for More Money

Thank you, Muh G.

TERMINATOR - 18

TERMINATOR 2 - 15

TERMINATOR 3 - 12

TERMINATOR SALVATION - 12

Only the first is 'adults only' the others all passed for teenagers.

Fans can dress it up all they like but deep down probably know that T2 was more commercial / teen-oriented than the first.

Now, both T3 and Terminator: Castration have been classified as British certificate 12A uncut. Why, because they are both made for the teeny-bopper audience. They are both piles of festering faeces (T Castration: Termi Meets The Transformers, will be confirmed as such in a week or two).

T2 pwns this teen nonsense - deep down inside you know it to be true. If you settle for crap, then that's what you'll get fed. All supporters of this cynical cash-grab are truly the enemies of quality genre movies. It is truly disturbing. You and McGimp,director of 'Charlie's Whores: Wank Rag For Obese Virgins', truly deserve each other.

He'd bitch-slap you to the ground, pull down his pants, squat over your face and dump out a 'mister whippy' all over it, doing the hoola as he shits.

I want a future war action movie with a HARD R, you fucks!

So, all PG-13 apologizers: FUCK OFF and damn you all to hell!!!

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what an asshat.

so, if the story sucks, it is Bales' fault now

That's not what it's about Kwisa.

Look, we've all seen T1 and T2 a bunch of times already. I for one am far more excited to see a NEW film. A new TERMINATOR film, rather than an old one.

Don't we all want to see new shit rather than live in the past?

People here are hating on Bale vs. Arnie... without having seen it... out of some misguided loyalty to a film they saw 10 years ago... maybe i'm talking nonsense, maybe you know what I'm getting at... I mean... fuuuuuuck.

No, you pathetic muppet, T2 was hardcore because it had a realistic nuclear devastation scene that showed in graphic and very unsentimental detail the consequences of a nuclear attack, because it had sarah connor knee capping motherfuckers, T-1000 dispatching people with knives and needles in grisly fashion, dozens of F-bombs, arnold shooting out people's knee caps and brutally smacking their heads off walls, peeling off his arm with a switch blade, not to mention it had a very dark, adult and apocalyptic tone, some terminator humour accepted (all of which is what determines rating more than gore) - all unlike this latest kiddy-oriented SHITBOMB from McGimpy.

A pity this is all fantasy, because someone should send an assassin back through time to ensure YOU never existed. But since you were birthed from the belly of Satan himself it probably wouldn't make a fucking difference anyway!!

as for this trailer - it actually made the film look alright in my opinion.

I can't say my faith in Terminator Salvation is equally unshakable, but thus far IMO all signs point to good if not great.

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Sigourney Weaver on Avatar.

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Oh, and they're both 13 years old.

What T1 and 2 were decidely not, though, is kiddie cash-grab studio slop like 'Terminator Castration: McG's Payday'. But have fun convincing yourself that this pile of shit is fit to lick Robodaddy's sack or Cameron's beard. Terminator ended with T2 - the rest is some horrible monstrosity cooked up in a producer's office while he's snorting coke off the ass crack of a vietnamese sex slave. Terminator in name only.

THANK YOU. Well said. It was all prologue. It set up the context of the actual story Cameron was trying to tell. I think they're just going into that part of the story now because (A) how many times will we pay to see John or Sarah Connor running for their lives from future-sent cyborgs? (it didn't even last more than a season and a half on TV.) And (B) it's a sensible direction to move the characters toward, now that the effects can be pulled off effectively, and besides, let's face it, Re-boots and prequels are kind of all the rage for old sf/fantasy properties these days. Although, in this case, it's a rare prequel/sequel due to the time travel aspect.

Anyway, the "future war" thing is fine as an attraction for this new part of the franchise, but the original stories, as you said, were not truly about them in the first place.

Never mind.

Bale arrives to offer Salvation hence the title!! Non-Baleiving amateurs will be Left Behind. Professionals will be rewarded. I report, you decide!!

BSB, are you serious? True Lies has hardly any action? Last 40 mins of that film was some of the best action since well...T2. absolutely jaw-dropping stuff at the time and still being ripped off today to lesser effect in stuff like MI3, Die Hard 4, and the Matrix (helicopter rescue) True Lies is the last of the great old-school action flicks. Bring on a sequel, with Arnold and Jamie Lee Curtis as married spies!!

Also, Bill Paxton is hilarious in that movie. it might be sexist - its also the truth!!

And did it ever occur to you Bastardson, that maybe Batman was doing the Bale voice?

Fuck'em.

The opening sequence in T2 is way better than ANYTHING I've seen so far of T4.

I hope to enjoy much of the fine popcorn fare this summer - I'm skipping Wolvie, but I'm absolutely down for Star Trek, T4, Up (I'm down for Up..?), probably Harry Potter, even Transformers, and maybe even GI Joe if the reviews aren't too bad. But it's ALL just getting the balls tickled until December 18th. That's when my eyeballs will be makin' that sweet, sweet IMAX 3D love....

Okay, so you've never met him because your mum was a slut who barely remembers letting some halfwit dump his load in her. Get over it. I'm sure you really wish you had a Robodaddy too.

It takes skill to successfully imply violence. Hence why no-talent scumbags like Eli Roth simply show it for shock value. Take another look at Scream, for example. There is barely any gore, but it's very violent. Much more effective than torture porn.

And yeah, it was stupid of Fox to release a trailer and then completely rewrite the script. Morons.

Then Resurrection went all cartoony and at this point i dont really care to see any more Alien movies.

But I'll see it, and be very happy if it turns out to be good. I'm just not holding my breath.

When I first heard about the project, I was against it. Saw the first teaser- wasn't impressed. Started seeing more (better) trailers, and started getting hyped up about it.

Heard McG's bullshit remarks about original endings and ideas for sequels. Started getting MUCH less interested. Heard bad reactions to the clips. Interest still slipping...

I'm afraid I'll watch the clips and agree, that they won't instill any confidence in me.

2.)The Terminator and T2 are sci-fi/horror and sci-fi/action classics, period and dot.

I was against this film at the start, if anybody remembers on the first TB's. I thought that there was no way this would work with McG and I was pissed. I even remember hoping it was all false, and that Bale was just "in talks" to star in it, LOL!

Back to points:

3.) Nothing in the footage so far looks like crap. The trailers are frickin' ace (which is what has gotten my hopes/support for this film up), and those 10 clips were fine. The first with Ironside and Bale was edited all to heck, the one where Kyle and Marcus catch the t600 looks good, and most of the rest was dialouge. And it all looked fine. Not outstandingly awesome, but just like normal dialogue scenes.

Certainly not like a "sci-fi channel movie of the week" like some have posted.

Final point: before JJ Abrams made star trek a hit, he had crappy movies to his credit. And before Peter Jackson made LOTR, he'd made the frighteners.

I'm hoping that McG can do the same here.

McG has made Charlies Angels 1 & 2 and a college football flick with McConaughey. All various degrees of shit.

dude, it was a pretty fun movie. the action was well done. Nothing in it disqualified him from making more movies.

But like I said before, T4 looks pretty slick. I have many reservations, mostly based on McG, what appears to be Bale's interchangable gruff voice/abrasive screaming performance and the kid who plays Kyle Reese, but I'm more than happy for McG to prove himself to be a good director. I'm hoping it's a good flick.

2/ BLEST I do have an idea what YOU are talkin about. I agree with all three points.

3/ BMacSmith you're also right. Everyone slates McG because he was hired as the director for CHARLIES ANGELS... but - would a James Cameron directed CHARLIES ANGELS have been much better? What about Ridley Scott or Spielberg? I say McG played the hand he had dealt to him. CHARLIES ANGELS would have been slammed by us geeks WHOEVER directed it.

True or false?

There's a new Terminator film coming out in less than 2 weeks!

It's set in the future, with the Resistance v.s. Skynet!

Bale v.s. Arnold is rumored!

Is this crap? Is it great?

Let's focus more on the film coming out and it's story...

When asked why he's doing ANGELS & DEMONS Ron Howard pointed out that THE DA VINCI CODE took over double any other movie he's made.

The liquid metal ones from T2 and T3 are fun for the fx, but are also ridiculously over-powerful. Couldn't imagine the grimy ol' resistance lasting too long against those things.

Mind you, if the technology could be mastered to once again serve humans imagine how cool the Terminatrix would be. Changing from Salma to Angelina, to Megan while you fucked her. And finally to Aunt Beru for the money shot. OHHH GODDDD!!

If somebody wants to direct, they arent gonna turn down shit to break in.

is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

They're all Bale's bitches.

You're idea of a boycott will be refusing to go to the 6pm show, and going to the 9pm instead.

The point is, dickheads like McG get dropped in at the deep end too fast, because they are greedy and will suck any dick to get to the top. That's why they do slick trash with none of their personality in it, like Charlie's Angels, and whether anyone could have made a better Charlie's Angels film or not is a moot point.

Fair play on eating a mile of shit to get your foot in the door, but don't go back for seconds.

And don't just respond with "McG" or "pg-13". What about the trailers/footage has turned you off?

Or is it the story also?

Scriptwriter John Brancato says "A lot of the work was integrating (Connor) into scenes... and having that feel integral and sensible, as opposed to grafted on just because there was a star in the part.""

Is it REALLY that damn hard to put John Connor into a Terminator story about the future war??

Drturing, I haven't seen WATCHMEN yet either. Good Doctor you said you spent $1000 on TERMINATOR memoribilia - what on?

I'm not looking to tease, honest question.

If you were then offered x-million dollars to do a sequel, shooting a flick for four months with hot women playing sexy dress up - what would be YOUR answer?

I still say McG did good with the job he was given. I don't cry at night wondering what Nolan or Spielberg would have done if only they'd been given the CHARLIES ANGELS gig. It went to McG and he did as good a job as ANYONE could have done considering the material.

Maybe you can answer why the James Cameron fanboys feel morally obliged to boycott this?

Big Jim will never do another TERMINATOR himself - so would you rather the series was dead and buried forever?

I personally love the idea of a new TERMINATOR trilogy.

Talkin some wisdom there dude.

However don't call Bale 'Christine', that's not professional.

If that type of stuff is the film, there will be some folks here eating crow.

Also, the novel doesn't end with any lame "heart transplant" like that one reviewer said it did.

They leave with Marcus and it sets up for later when they'll probably have to kill him in the next one because of some deeper programming acquired when he logs into the skynet base. And that would be after he's helped save everybody in this film.

2) I wonder why this film has to be a Terminator film. I mean, couldn't the studios have thought about an entirely new storyline involving humans fighting robots. Yeah, I know Terminator has name recognition but I would love if Hollywood would come up with more original material, or at least not have the stuff be connected to 10 other movies. You look at all the big tent pole movies, excluding Avatar & Up, they are all sequels or reboots of franchises (Fast & Furious, Wolverine, Star Trek, Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian, Transformers 2, Harry Potter, Saw VI).

3) How the fuck does Skynet have a chance? He is against the All-Mighty Bale! This film should take 10 minutes tops!

2.) and how many people would automaticaly bash it as a Terminator ripoff? Plus MAtrix has mined similar ideas also.

Everything the kid says is completely and utterly rendered void of anything even remotley qualifying as pertinent to any discussion, based solely on his T2 rants.

To say the T2 "sucks" is one of the most presposterous statements one could make.

Good day.

Of course, I am still going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully they have some angle in this story that says it could have only been part of the Terminator series and couldn't have been made as a stand alone film, or that it was only green-lighted to cash in on a franchise name. I am hoping for "Aliens" and not "Alien: Resurrection."

Well, have you guys thought that perhaps, this is the BEGINNINGS of the big war? If this is the first in a planned trilogy, don't you think that gives us a LOT of time in which we see the machines start to turn the tide and *really* hit back hard at the humans? To the point where they can only move at night? Maybe there's a scene where hundreds of humans are slaughtered- hence all the skulls we see in T2?

I mean, no one seems to have any laser guns in T4 yet either... which means, we're not at that point yet. THAT'S ALL.

So, I'm deeming such complaints as being invalid. You haven't seen the stuff you want to see because in this Future Terminator Trilogy, it hasn't happened yet.

If true, this may be all you're going to get of any future war.

I ignored all the bad signs and went and saw AVP anyway. My friends and I walked out of that theater PISSED.Lesson learned though.

We waited on Die Hard 4 till it was on cable. Right decision.

Until they can show me that they can make previously R rated franchises into PG-13 movies and not have me feel like I'm paying more money for a less entertaining experience....HBO it is.

Hopefully it's just the clips and the rest of the film has some great moments, cause the trailers do look pretty good. A couple of the clips also look fine, but for the most part it seems like a shoddy B-movie, which was fine for T1, but not for what theyre trying to do here.

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