Nah, but seriously I'm psyched for Star Trek... but I'm trying not to read any of the hundreds of articles aicn keeps vomiting out. I already know too much about it.

I didn't see the thing in theaters, but Wolverine was entertaining... yet groan inducing. Just glad that I was able to fast fwd through the boring stuff and quickly get to the ludicrous shit.

That's just ignorant bile you're spewing. You should retract such an obviously false statement.

Fucking stupid.

Its been 40 plus years since the original (Oh My God, I'm fuckin old), and 30 since TMP. Was Abrams afraid NOT to include such moments for the fans? Even as he says he made the movie for non-fans. It's like when Christian Bale says "I'll be back" in T4. It becomes so self-referential as to take us out of the movie, even for a second or two.

As for your comments...

"why do wolvie and creed fight in every fucking war except korea?"

The filmmakers probably thought (wisely so) that the visuals of the Korean War would look exactly like the Vietnam War.

"why do they fight under the american flag in ww1 and 2?"

Someone said that apparently a lot of Canadians did? Who knows.

"why, after they were shot by firing squad and lived, did they meekly allow themselves to be locked up?"

Well, why allow themselves to get captured to be "executed" in the first place? They probably had some loose plan to escape and run off somewhere.

"why are we told that they decapitated a superiour officer, when creed actually stabs him in the stomache"

We are not told this. This quote is never mentioned in the finished movie.

"why the fuck was the movie made?"

That's easy. To make money.

I mean, why is that an essential part of Wolverine's character? What is essential is that he is a tough, hard-nosed mutant who get adamantium grafted on him. The rest of this stuff seems superfluous.

To me it is like doing a Batman movie and showing him first meeting Clark Kent in Smallville or showing that Bruce Wayne was inspired to dress like a bat because he saw his dad in a similar costume for Halloween party. Nice little tid bits to fill in someone's history in the comic book, but far from being the essential elements for someone's origin.

And its not just the locale- its the look of the war. There's a huge difference in uniform and firepower between WWI and WWII. I don't know how much of a difference there is between Korean and Nam (though I'm sure there's plenty).

Or the Mexican-American War for that matter.

If there had to be a character-related reason as to why they fight, I think its as simple as saying its in their nature (which is mentioned throughout the film, their animal nature). Plus, that's just what you did back then. There's a war? Fight for the right side! You can't be hurt? Then why not join up and try to do some good?

I'm sure Victor was all gung-ho about it, ready to do some (legal) killing, and as the wars progress, he gets more and more bloodthirsty. Why they fight in wars is not really a motivation I think we need to see or understand.

Whatever

Other memorable quotes

"X-Men... welcome... to DIEEE"

"PYRO WILL TURNNN YOU TO TOOOAAASST"

I am Magneto... master of MAGNET(s?). HA HAHAHAHA HAAA

The Medal of Honor recipients I referred to in my previous post were from the Civil War and the Vietnam War. Those are the only ones I now of.

Why would Fox actually take the time to create a deep, logical, emotionally honest story when all they need is a bunch of flashy crap to make $83 million?

Every scene of actual intelligent drama would be one less dramatic pose by a costumed model that could be cut into a trailer.

So, in summary, this opening weekend has nothing to do with the film's quality. It has to do with a lot of people who didn't know, or didn't care, about the film's quality, including the filmmakers. This is one fat paycheck, nothing more.

And who's getting shortchanged? Not us, the geeks. We've already seen the best Wolverine stories ever told, in print. Not the thousands of dopes who saw it just to kill some time in their dull lives. Not the cast or crew, who are already on to other projects.

No, the losers are the kids who are growing up with this junk. This movie could have been someone's Star Wars, and instead its someone's forgettable B-movie. Some kid could have formed an emotional association with something great, instead all they've got to be sentimental about later in life is this train wreck.

Hopefully those same kids will be seeing Star Trek, Harry Potter, and later The Hobbit, and this flick will just be a footnote.

And I like Jackman and his Wolverine, so it saddens me to say it.

To me, Wolverine never stood out quite as much in the big-battle/ensemble issues as he did in the smaller-scale storylines where all of his personality and abilities were given the spotlight. Doing so with this story could have been great, and scary.

I've also long thought that a similar approach to Van Helsing would have made it a great movie instead of the hideous monstrosity it turned out to be. Sky's-the-limit special effects capabilities are doing more harm than good, I fear.

It could've happened.

You can't say for sure that not one served with US in WWII. That's why I said it's possible.

The ones I mentioned that did serve in the US military I only knew about because they were award winners.

Remember Wolverine's "mutant power" attack in that game? He shot a fucking laser shockwave out of his claws!

I loved Colossus' super power, where he just erupts with rage sending out that shockwave bubble toward close range enemies.

X-Men: The game so large it took TWO tv screens side by side to accommodate it. I remember the poor schmoe who joined in last and had to play as the Dazzler.

I had never gotten into the comics or known much about X-Men at all until the arcade game, and then the cartoon...

Wolverine and Colossus were the shit.

Thank You... QUICK SILVERRR

AMERICA STILL NEEDS YOUR HELP!

Don't be such a wanker. Do you really think that they had the time to knee jerk create such a detailed credit sequence?.

Being called on a ludicrous statement isn't "guttural" but just honest. Do not like this film if that is your wish or your genuine take but don't then try to reinforce your point of view with godddamn rubbish presented as fact.

If you have a shooting schedule or a revised one after the re-shoot- which, by the way others are suggesting never happened as this film is, in structure, the same as the leaked work print- then link to it or display it here.

You won't be able to, I know, so perhaps you should just stick to your opinions and leave facts to others. Talk about the worst aspects of the Web. You're fucking displaying them. Tosser.

And sometimes people are just make a wrong deduction. It seems a pretty understandable mistake that someone might think that maybe Wolverine was ripping of the Watchmen. He was wrong but I don't think he was doing it out of spite or malice. Everyone makes mistakes.

However, is insulting and mocking him really the best method of getting him to see his error? I would think a polite post telling him why you think he is mistaken would be much more effective than just attacking him.

Bug's response might have been defensive (and reading Bladerunners comments, I could understand why), but yours comes across as vindictive and petty.

But does Wolverine seem like a soldier? Not just in this movie, but in the first three X-Men movies? He is a loner who can't take orders, doesn't work well working with others, and disrespects authority. Does that sound like a man who has operated in the army during at least 4 major conflicts? You would think after all that time he would have learned how to operate within an organization and understand the concept of chain of command.

Secondly, for someone with so much battle experience he shows very little knowledge of tactics and strategy in the other X-Men movies. I don't see him setting up ambushes, figuring out the opponents plans or pulling of any sort of military tactics. Every fight is basically him popping his claws and him fighting like a mad man.

For someone with over 150 years of military experience, he sure doesn't come across as someone who has ever been in the army.

DeadTermiClops, indeed.

Oh, and wild trips to SE Asia-you speaking from experience, Berserker? I gotta ask.

Yeah, I know I'm a big fucking dork, but I've got a Scarab tatooed over my heart. So fuck it.

And Michael Moriarty rules in that AND in Q! Don't ever forget about Q!

Even It's Alive III:Island of the Alive. Which is actually pretty awesome in a batshit crazy sort of way: "Shark? Shark? Sure! What the hell good's bein' shipwrecked without the fuckin' shark?"

He called it wrong on Wolverine and then name called those that pointed out to him that he was wrong so I don't think a little reverse name calling was totally out of order. My post wasn't to point out that he was wrong specifically- others had already done that- it was to point out that his reaction to that was one of a tosser. Which it was (and he is).

But if you reread his post you will see he says he forgot how guttural the film TBs can be, and then in a separate paragraph he mentions how the Wolverine movie still could ripped off The Watchmen. His assessment was wrong, but I do not believe he was insulting those who called him out on it. He was appearantly just making an observation about how much more venomous these talkbacks can be (and seeing the post above his, I can understand why he came to that conclusion), and than making another statement on why he thinks it was feasible for Wolverine to have ripped off the X-Men.

I believe the problem was that for some reason there was not the normal gap that happens when you make a new paragraph. But if you look at the end of his first sentence – “interweb, folks.” – you’ll see that are at least 30 some more characters that could have been on that line, giving me the impression that he had intended to create a new paragraph and change the subject but for some reasons it didn’t work as planned (possible technical error?) , creating the appearance that the two comments were someone connected and that was insulting those who dared to try and correct him.

In hindsight I can understand why you would come to the conclussion he was being a “tosser” but I think it was, as I suggested, a technical error and a misunderstanding between everyone.

The opening credits feature the American civil war, the first world war, the second world war and Vietnam. There were cannon emplacements in the civil war scene, trench fighting in the WW1 scene, landing craft and German pillboxes in the WW2 scene along with various uniforms for all these periods in time. Did Ambush Bug really think that all that was thrown together in a rush as a knee jerk reaction to the praise that Watchmen got for its credits sequence?. If so then not only should he NOT be writing for a living he shouldn't be allowed out unaccompanied.

Not only WON'T you stop any criticism of you but you CAN'T stop it and I think that it is damn condescending of you to indicate that this criticism goes on due to your largesse. The word "tosser" comes running to mind almost immediately.

To open this out further than Bug's failings I think that most critics/reviewers here are guilty of this type of behaviour. Making their opinions sound like facts and then when pulled up on those "facts" responding with a patronising tone

Calling you a tosser is neither meant to offend nor to indicate any level of toughness but is just a description based on certain actions, nothing more (it is goddamn accurate though).And sure, you called it wrong on the Wolverine/Watchmen rip off (my God!, they both begin with a W, this is some sort of conspiracy!!) which by itself shows such a basic lack of understanding of how film making works that you surely should find another career path. But is then compounded by your lack of humility, your wish to brazen it out with "but you can't prove that I am wrong" which, as any naturalist recognises, is the call of the lesser spotted whinger.

You're wrong, you've been called on it and now you are trying to blame-shift it on to the "guttural" nature of the talkbackers.Disgracefull.But symptomatic of this place, how could it be any other when it is run by a corporate shill and staffed by neo-nazi's (Beaks, Moriarty, you know who you are), incompetents (Merrick, Massawyrm,)a fledgling (Quint, you show promise but are still a babe in arms, I mean, a film reviewer who has only just seen such classics as The Thin Man!!) and Vern (no criticism allowed even if it were possible, which it isn't. Tosser does definitely NOT apply).

True story. Except that Wolverine probably wasn't in any of the comics we'd shoplifted because in those days, he was only in approximately one comic book that came out every other month!

No lie.

Although there was this one time when I was reading the AVENGERS and I realized that the Scarlet Witch looked a lot like my friend's aunt and...

Okay, more than one time.

Perhaps it's the other way around, perhaps they had visited earth in the past and their names had become seeded through history. Von Dankien and all that.