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Roberto Orci And Alex Kurtzman Boldly Break Down The Writing Of STAR TREK For Mr. Beaks!

Whats with the blowjobs Beaks? These guys are terrible by IndustryKiller!	May 4th, 2009 03:55:00 AM
Their Transformers script remains to this day the worst script I've ever read. I think Trek will be good in spit of these clowns, not because of them. Even your former colleague Feraci liked the movie but said hte script was awful.
Their "Trek" script sucked balls. by V'Shael	May 4th, 2009 04:07:14 AM
It wasn't Trek. It was more like Galaxy Quest meets Independence Day.
Leave Khan alone by Horace Cox	May 4th, 2009 04:09:10 AM
They already nailed that story with TWOK. Not to say a new Khan story couldn't be done, but to revisit it would invite such intense fan scrutiny the pressure would be insane. And if they didn't top it nothing short of spectacularly, I think it would be considered a failure. There's just too much chance of a letdown since it's damn near impossible to improve on the original. Give us some original stories with this cast, maybe using some lesser known previously established characters like they did with Khan. Boldly go where no other writers have gone before...
Why do i hear... by pitti71	May 4th, 2009 04:10:22 AM
that people cant wait to see another adventure all the time ? Why didnt they try to make "a stand alone adventure" - that yes, concludes the introduction . seems people leave the theater after the dinner was kind of small....
Orci and Kurtzman can go fuck Jorge Garcia. by JuanSanchez	May 4th, 2009 04:23:05 AM

V'Shael? Are you for real? Their Trek script kicked ass! by The Gospel According to Bastardface	May 4th, 2009 04:32:46 AM
It's the best feature they've ever written. By a mile.
V'Shael an asshole by optimus122	May 4th, 2009 04:38:22 AM
It had to be said...So is industrykiller...no one takes them seriously in real life or here..live with it.
Get Nimoy to direct the next one. by Rolling_Stone	May 4th, 2009 04:56:43 AM
He may do a great job.
optimus122 - nobody takes any of us seriously... by JuanSanchez	May 4th, 2009 05:10:48 AM
certainly not in real life and I wouldn't think here either. I mean - I don't take anyone here seriously and I don't expect them to take me seriously either.
Nimoy needs to direct 3 Men and a Street-Walking Lady. by JuanSanchez	May 4th, 2009 05:12:36 AM
Sellick, Danson and Guttenberg aren't getting any younger.
Orci and Kurtzman suck Donkey Balls by Trannyformers_Apologist	May 4th, 2009 05:27:44 AM
It's true I read it in a book. Fuck you if you think otherwise. Transformers script gave me dysentery. The Island RIPPED OFF how many different movies? The Star Trek script is definitely suspect. HACKs need to get Bay's coked up cock out of your mouth and shove it back into your smelly asshole! All Bayformers fans need to die.
Alternative timeline was not necessary , by Gungan Slayer	May 4th, 2009 06:03:16 AM
to reboot Star Trek, and THAT's what pisses me off about this film. I'm glad it's getting good reviews, and I'm excited about the new film and I will go see it, BUT, Trek could have easily been rebooted working with the already pre-established canon/timeline. ALSO---I love Kirk and crew, but I'm fucking tired of them. Say what you will, but Trek is much more than just Kirk and company. A new crew should have been introduced for this new series.
alternative timeline was also easy way out... by Gungan Slayer	May 4th, 2009 06:07:16 AM
Using an alternative timeline is also an easy cop out to deal with everything that's already been established over the decades in Star Trek. In other words, lazy writing and/or unwillingness to really challenge themselves as writers. Again, I'm not dissing the movie as a whole, just a certain aspect of it. Call it nitpicky, call it being a Trekkie (which I'm not in all honesty, Star Wars fan here) or call it being a douchebag, I don't care.
New ideas please people by kwisatzhaderach	May 4th, 2009 06:19:07 AM
Kirk-Spock origin stories, recasting Khan...what a lot of fanwank. If you can't invent breathtaking new ideas you shouldn't be in the film industry. The worst thing that happened to the movies over the past 15 years is that the fanboys took control.
Overall, not bad by The StarWolf	May 4th, 2009 06:26:33 AM
But they really needed someone to look over their shoulder and remove a few gaffes. The "three minutes to Vulcan" line, when they've just left Earth orbit, for example. Also, Khan? Please! The Genesis effect reworks the surface of a planet. This new weapon makes the entire planet disappear. And now that the Federation knows the technology is possible, they'll be working on it night and day until they find how to make it work. Plus, after all this, the directive will be "No more cruise ship designs such as NCC 1701-D. With that sort of threat out there, from now on it's the biggest, nastiest battleships we can build." It will be a very different Federation.
Good interview by InfinityWave	May 4th, 2009 06:44:35 AM
I didn't have much respect for them based on their past work - but they come across as good guys. It's not hard to consider this'll be the best thing they've written, considering Lindelhof's involvement AND that they're working with established creative properties which are just a liiitle more rounded than the Transformers. They may not be the world's greatest writers but I'm rooting for them. Looking forward to the movie... on DVD this Christmas. Not in a crowded theatre. (Thanks, Captain Tripps!)
InfinityWave by kwisatzhaderach	May 4th, 2009 06:51:45 AM
That's why I feel bad slamming them, they do come across as genuinely enthusiastic nice people. Seeing the film Thursday night, intrigued as to how it will play out.
burger king glasses? by Bouncy X	May 4th, 2009 07:07:16 AM
wow.....i havent seen a movie do that in forever, i thought it was a "lost art". lol
Oh and another thing....WOLVERINE SUCKS! by Riley Martin	May 4th, 2009 07:16:00 AM
Thank you AICN for doing my thinking for me.
Why I'm not going to see star trek (spoilers) by Alphanumeric1971	May 4th, 2009 07:19:35 AM
1) the new design of the Enterprise, just looks like ass to me. But I could get past that. 2) The complete reimagining of the look of the technology of the future. But hey! they have to update it for a modern audience right? I have to try a little harder, but can get past this too. 3) time travel. To me this was WAY overused and abused in the last few series, and to me is a sign of a writer who can't come up with a half decent idea on his own. But hey we have to update it for the new millennium right? and we have to explain how this all changes what we supposedly know about star trek right? which leads me into number 4) Which is more of an aside to number 2 Seriously, how can one romulan guy traveling back throught time change the complete look of the ENTIRE FEDERATION!? Before the hallways of the enterprice were angular grey and cramped. Now they're wide and white. In this time frame we had Phase Pistols NOT phasers. and they were black and had the personal phaser built into them. now they're shiny and silver. Uniforms are now covered in tiny starfleet chevrons nevermind the fact that starfleet did this to honour Kirk and his crew for surviving their five year mission. That before this the constitution class vessels each had their own insignia. etc, etc, etc. But for me the final straw, was learning that Vulcan is destroyed and Spocks mother Amanda dies. This so FUCKS up the timeline in so many different ways it makes my head explode. But hey! we have to prove that we mean business! We have to show everybody that there is going to be no deus ex machina reset. we have to prove to everybody that this "isn't your fathers star trek" (Although what was wrong with my dads star trek to begin with?) And so what if some third rate character dies right? I mean we only ever saw her like what three times? Pffft. nobody will miss her. And so after reading about that. I quietly sat there for awhile and deeply thought about it. I then came to this simple conclusion. Fuck it. I'm going home.
I like Star Trek but am not a die hard by Darth Busey	May 4th, 2009 07:35:52 AM
And from what I've seen/heard so far, this movie sounds great. I was a giant Transformers fan as a kid, and I thought the movie was totally enjoyable, and even my wife (who hates sci-fi stuff) liked the Shia/Shia's parents stuff in that one. Orci and Kurtzman are making geek properties accessible to the mainstream. I don't get the massive amount of hate.
Alphanumeric1971 you are a NERD by Tallguyme	May 4th, 2009 07:42:44 AM
Take a fucking valium and chill the fuck out man. Skip the movie, and just go rewatch the Original Series over and over and over and over...
What if... by Josh Acid	May 4th, 2009 07:47:26 AM
Now stay with me -- what if Star Trek II picks up from this new alternate timeline, and that's how Khan knows Chekov? D'WHAT.
Alphanumeric1971 by Johnny T Williams	May 4th, 2009 08:38:50 AM
Holy shit man. Make that two valiums, you really seem to need it. I'll go see this, but I'm still not sure about this guys. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though.
Alphanumeric by drturing	May 4th, 2009 08:46:59 AM
I just want you to know that having sex with a woman is as good as they say.
there's a lot of nerd envy in here by Browncoat_Jedi	May 4th, 2009 08:56:18 AM
Are all you jerks a bunch of failed screenwriters whining about successful writers you only wish you could be like? Go cry, emo kids!
DO NOT by skydemon	May 4th, 2009 09:02:38 AM
Ever, blow up the Enterprise again. It was ok once, but we've been there, done that too many times already.
No, no, no, no, no- a rebooted Khan? No, no, no, no, no by YackBacker	May 4th, 2009 09:03:35 AM

creepthin by Eonz_Higlo	May 4th, 2009 09:29:02 AM
you know where they are? in a fucking shed with all the other brilliant film makers. who owns this shed? tom rothman....and as we all know, his favorite past time is waterboarding...
Abrams and Lindelof by veritasses	May 4th, 2009 09:34:39 AM
I get the feeling ST is more about Abrams and Lindelof's input and storytelling skills (as well as the skills of the rest of the cast and crew) then it is Orci and Kurtzman's writing. It's really hard to reconsile Transformers otherwise...
Browncoat_Jedi by spud mcspud	May 4th, 2009 09:37:37 AM
I'd agree with you, but the overwhelming fact that 90% of what these two assclowns write turns out to be pure shit (TRANSFORMERS being the ultimate proof that if you market a turd slickly enough and with enough Bay signature low-angle-circling-aforementio ned-shit-with-azure-blue-sky-b ackground shots, and with that fucking annoying sub-Zimmer overemotional "score" he has booming through every scene of the movie (I'm waiting for the scene in TF2 where Shai takes a shit to an orchestral swell so breathtaking that the audience will be moved to tears at the object of Spielberg's devotion taking a dump) - THE MORONS WILL COME OUT TO SEE IT. TRANSFORMERS was demonstrably shit by pretty much every half-decent critical standard you put it against, so - no, this isn't envy, we really DO think these hacks suck. And they ARE hacks - mediocre screenwriters who get paid to write more mediocre shit because the studios don't want a movie for the ages, that wil be seen as a modern classic twenty years from now, they want a big-ass opening weekend, a few weeks of legs, then a massive DVD blitz that will last as long as it takes for people to remember the movie is shit, and then every charity shop in the world will be swamped by copies of said movie. Like the CreepyThinMan said. Where's the next Schrader? Towne? Chayefsky? Anything but this onslaught of empty, soulless shite.
Wrath of Khan was 20+ years later by spacechampion	May 4th, 2009 09:37:48 AM
I don't know what year this movie is so I can't say if this is the beginning of Enterprise's 5 year mission or whether it started eariler, but any meeting of the Khan character by this young crew would be 20+ years before Wrath of Khan. They obviously will not be redoing the Wrath of Khan story, so fanboys should stop whining. If we see Khan it will be redoing Space Seed, or more likely encountering Khan before Space Seed, perhaps being the ones to capture Khan in the first place.
Oh, and - SOLOMON FUCKING KANE! by spud mcspud	May 4th, 2009 09:40:34 AM
Harry - WHERE THE FUCK IS TH4E SOLOMON KANE REVIEW?!?!? Like I need to read ONE MORE FUCKING STAR TREK / WOLVERINE REVIEW! Any chance we might get word of a movie that's ORIGINAL, perchance? Jeeeeebus!
DO NOT REIMAGINE... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!! by Super Moo	May 4th, 2009 09:41:03 AM
Just don't ok?
ROBERTO ... HIGH FIVE!!!!! by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 09:46:01 AM
I'm looking forward to Star Trek. Even more so to beat down Foxerine.
Didn't JMS have a Star Trek reboot synopsis in mind? by Amy Chasing	May 4th, 2009 09:47:06 AM
And which do people prefer, his version or what Kurtzman & Orci did? I haven't seen the film yet, but I can recommend the Countdown comics. They're really very well done.
ROBERTO COULD FALL TO HIS KNEES FOR ME ANYTIME by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 09:47:35 AM
Ain't that right, cupcake?
Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum by drturing	May 4th, 2009 09:47:48 AM
You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.
Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum by drturing	May 4th, 2009 09:47:49 AM
You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.
Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum by drturing	May 4th, 2009 09:47:52 AM
You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.
Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum by drturing	May 4th, 2009 09:47:54 AM
You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.
Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum by drturing	May 4th, 2009 09:47:55 AM
You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.
STAR TREK WILL KILL FOXERINE by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 09:48:27 AM
Until Bale arrives and dessimates all. Praise Bale.
Seriously if you get that worked up about transformers by drturing	May 4th, 2009 09:50:32 AM
All you're demonstrating is the quietly desperate despar at the heart of celibacy
ROBERTO - YOU SHOULD REIMAGINE STAR TREK V by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 09:51:20 AM
with Bale as the real God. Just a suggestion.
Orko and Col. Kurtz can both fuck off.... by Jobacca	May 4th, 2009 09:59:57 AM
They havent written a thing yet that didnt reek of hack. You remember when Nic Cage finally got a comic book movie and it was Ghost Rider? ANd how that sucked for the 3 Ghost Rider fans out there,but the rest of us breathed a sigh of relief because we knew that Nic Cage would now never get cast as Superman or Batman or whatever other franchises he was seeking to destroy? I kinda hope the same thing happens with Orko and Kurtzy...let 'em write a script for Sectaurs or MASK or some other niche fanboy property that'll keep them far,far away from the stuff we actually care about.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPEEEE! by FaTassDino_Molester	May 4th, 2009 10:01:35 AM
Well, I hope you're proud of yourselves, both of you, because you've killed Star Trek. KILLED IT, I SAY! And not only does this movie suck CardASSian, but now we're stuck in this sucky-ass Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams universe like poor Leonard...no more adventures with the characters we know and love, just Chris Pine and the Man-Vulcan with the Voice of Small Girl, Zachary Quinto or whatever it is. I just hope Wolverine, Terminator and Drag Me to Hell fuck Star Trek in the fucking face. Oh, and Transformers 2 is coming out soon...two Orci/Kurtzman collaborations in one summer, and Fringe coming back in the fall. The pain. THE PAIN!....Seriously, we're gone professionally. Fucking ASS!
Mr. Beaks I am totally with you! by lprothro	May 4th, 2009 10:04:43 AM
The Gorn need to return. And there is no way that the prospect of lizard-men versus space explorers wouldn't bring in huge new audiences. ONe look at gorn with today's special effects in a commercial or preview would guarantee a stong b.o take!
Has the Star Trek fan community imploded yet? by kwisatzhaderach	May 4th, 2009 10:25:19 AM
Or are they just happy they have some streetcred with the masses now?
WHY DID THEY GET A KOREAN TO PLAY A JAPANESE? by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 10:25:59 AM
Was this ever explained? Or do Japanese actors not exist in the alternate timeline?
Amy Chasing by Stunt Vocalist 709	May 4th, 2009 10:28:23 AM
I read the JMS treatment for the Star Trek reboot some time ago. It's kinda apples and oranges, so comparing the two is not so easy. I will say that at the time I very much liked what JMS had in mind and really wanted it to go forward. If it had been done as well as it might have been, it would have been one of the best Star Trek experiences ever. However, what JJA and company have come up with since probably trumps it because they seem to have put all the pieces together (casting, story, action, SFX, etc.) in a great new way. I doubt that that could have happened at the time JMS's treatment came out. Sorry to be kinda cryptic, but it's all rhetorical... You got me thinking about re-watching B-5's first four seasons and the last episode "Sleeping In Light" again. When JMS was good, he was the best.
Uhura, NOT Uhuru by whitty	May 4th, 2009 10:30:25 AM
Why does everyone on this site--the columnists AND the talkbackers--keep misspelling her name, for crying out loud???
Amy Chasing by Stunt Vocalist 709	May 4th, 2009 10:31:12 AM
Oh, and thanks for the recommendation of the Countdown series. I look forward to seeing them.
spacechampion by whitty	May 4th, 2009 10:37:31 AM
How can Kirk's crew be the ones to capture Kahn in the first place? He ruled the Earth in 1996. Kirk's a few centuries too late in the game to do that.
Not a nerd, just a trekkie. by Alphanumeric1971	May 4th, 2009 10:59:32 AM
And now I've found out that there is going to be a "love interest" between Uhura and Spock. Now I know how those "Raped my childhood" guys feel.
Alphanumeric1971 by kwisatzhaderach	May 4th, 2009 11:29:09 AM
Don't you mean Trekker?
I love the smell of angry nerd by CaptainAxis	May 4th, 2009 11:45:48 AM
in the morning. @Darth Busey: "Orci and Kurtzman are making geek properties accessible to the mainstream. I don't get the massive amount of hate." Yes, you do. There's your answer. Geeks don't want "their stuff" to be accessible to anybody but them. They're like the kids who used to let you play with their toys, but ONLY if you followed their instructions.
For what its worth.. by Jobacca	May 4th, 2009 11:53:09 AM
My problem with Orko and Kurtzy is NOT that they're making this stuff for the mainstream...its that they're doing it so poorly. Their dialogue is ham-fisted,they cant write for plot or character worth a damn...they're just really,really bad amateur writers who have somehow managed to get attached to every geek property in Hollywood...THATS why the geeks hate them!
Mr Beaks is a laugh by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 11:56:34 AM
This guy posses as this sort of intellectual guy with all those expensive words and he uses them to praise the most mind-blowing, brain numbing hacks and their crap movies. The ass kissing on this two hacks is cringe inducing. I even feel bad for the boy. As for this mexican't Roberto "Porci" Orci (also known as Bob) and Alex "Klutzman" Kurtzman, it's been proved beyonf a shadow of a doubt how inept and untalented they are at scriptwriting, and what a bunch of sellout hacks they truly are. To call them studio slaves is a compliment. This guys wake up every morning to be Bay's and J.J. Abrams' bitches. Like their mentors, they must believe that the sizeof their paycheck is the true measure of their talent. This two are beyond belief. I put this two clowns and akiva "Hackiva" Goldsman in the Unholy Trinity of Scriptwriting Shit. Shane Salermo, mediocre hack that he is, he is not yet there because he's a fucking amateur compared to this 3 shits.
Jobacca by FaTassDino_Molester	May 4th, 2009 12:00:47 PM
Right...talent-wise these guys never got beyond their days writing for Hercules and Xena. Just really, really terrible. I'm still reeling from "I'm fine without it!" "Yes, you are fine without it!" Just oy fucking vey...
FaTassDino_Molester by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 12:09:47 PM
Porci and Klutzman's days at Xena and Hercules must had been spent with Sam Raimi hitting their heads with their stupid scrits until they could come up with some shit that could be minimally acceptable to show on TV. This two idiots must have spent years and years getting hit in the head and face by Raimi. Of course, things got very easy for them the moment they became the slaves of two people with much, much less quality standards, Bay and Jay Jay Abrams.
Orci and Kurtzman are 3rd rate at least - by Professor_Monster	May 4th, 2009 12:11:03 PM
-- they have never actually had to CREATE anything in their career. First time I heard of these two shitty pens was back when Dreamworks had a property called "Cowboys and Aliens" - guess what, that script sucked as well. And someone please tell me ONE TIME where a reboot like this worked? Casablanca/ Rick's Place -- Gone with the Wind/ Scarlett -- this fucking film will open because people are stupid, but it will die just as quickly
Professor_Monster by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 12:15:50 PM
Hopefuly that might came to pass. Since an excelent movie like The Dark Knight became one of the most sucessful movie ever made, i'm starting to believe that sometimes justice is done and miracles migth actually happen. Let's hope such justice works as well for this new Star Trek nonsense and make it flop, the only kind of justice that the studios and hacks can understand. Gods of cinema, please make it so!
BEAM ME UP ROBERTO! by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 12:31:25 PM

Cool by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 12:32:56 PM
Thanks, Beaks! That was a funky interview, and I'm looking forward to this re-booted "Star Trek." I was never a huge fan of "Star Trek," more lukewarm like JJ Abrams. There are some great episodes, but I always wanted more drama and asskickingly huge space battles. The weapons always annoyed me too. Why can't phasers rapid-fire, for God's sake? Why can't photon torpedoes do the same? This is why I'm glad as hell we'll see more drama and more ass-kickingly huge battles in this new film. Also, I remain a big fan of the writing in "Alias" seasons 1 and 2 (not so much 3, 4, or 5), so I know Orci and Kurtzman can turn it on when they want to. I'm looking forward to "Star Trek."
According to the haters, Orci and Kurtzman can't write! by ganymede3010	May 4th, 2009 12:44:18 PM
AMRITE?
Haters... by Stunt Vocalist 709	May 4th, 2009 12:48:55 PM
Just curious... have any of you actually seen this movie yet, or are you just on hater auto-pilot? Not sayin' you're wrong, as I haven't seen it yet. Just wondering...
I'm looking forward to this. by rbatty024	May 4th, 2009 01:06:03 PM
The word of mouth so far has been encouraging. I've been a Trek fan since I was a kid, but I stopped watching the TV shows around the time Voyager hit. That was a godawful show. I dutifully went to see the films but the last two were just awful. The series needs new blood, and I think if J.J. can do that then more power to him.
trekker, trekkie... by Alphanumeric1971	May 4th, 2009 01:17:42 PM
60/40 and call em.
ROBERTO: ENERGIZE!!! by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 01:21:30 PM

THE TROUBLE WITH ROBERTOS by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 01:22:14 PM

Stunt Vocalist 709... by Alphanumeric1971	May 4th, 2009 01:22:51 PM
I haven't seen it, but just the dribs and drabs of info that's been leaked have simply made me realize that I'm no longer the target audience. The problem with trying to make Star Trek Mainstream, is that people who didn't like star trek before, or don't like sci-fi in general are simply going to see the title star trek and go "pass." And by trying to appeal to a broader audience they're going to alienate the core audience like me. I'm just not interested in Trek any more. Enterprise started it, but this movie will finish it.
SPACE ORCI by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 01:23:02 PM

Some pretty naked jealously here by Arteska	May 4th, 2009 01:23:04 PM
Too bad.
STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF BOB by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 01:24:31 PM
Kirk: 'BBBBBBBBBOBBBBBBBBBBBB!!!!'
STAR TREK III: THE UNDISCOVERED ORCI by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 01:26:46 PM
Sulu: 'Fly her apart then!!!!'
"OPTIMUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! " by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 01:40:52 PM
There...that is a prime example of Bob Orci's writing chops. You know the lowly FUCK was thinking about Wrath of Khan when he wrote it...thinking that he could never come up with a script as decent as that...so why not just fucking rip it off. It is the Bob Orci way.
BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 01:55:12 PM
"Bob" Orci, my all time favorite MEXICAN'T. If i was a mexican, i would kick "Bob" Orci's fucking ass for the shame he brings to the country!!! Better yet, i would give him the "Man On Fire" treatment.
and another fact... by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 01:59:12 PM
... in latin countries, Bobby is a common name given to dogs. "Bobby" Orci, very fitting he gets a dog's name.
I've seen this movie - about a month ago and it's bad. by Professor_Monster	May 4th, 2009 01:59:50 PM
It's a dead christmas tree with lots of lights and artificial snow to cover the bald spots. The story is weak - real weak but it takes a brain to get past all the clicks and whistles that the keyboard clickers toss at you. I'm a fan of story not CGI, and this new Star Trek is a showcase for ILM or Digital Domain or WETA or whichever computer farmed warehouse armed with pony tailed fat guys they picked. This is a time release capsule of bad - where dummies pay money - and by way of "look at this - don't think about it" walk out thinking they like it, only to have the truth hit them months later when they say "Y'know, that movie wasn't that good" - Phantom Menace style. There are tons of yuck yuck jokes and Bones and Scotty are played for laughs if they are onscreen longer than 20seconds. J J admits he doesn't like the property - so what do you think you're going to get? This is HIS Star Wars - not our Star Trek.
Just want to say thanks by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 02:03:48 PM
to all of you, on behalf of Klutzman and myself, for all the warmth and support we've received here... you've given us the courage and the confidence and the strength that we needed to fool everyone into making our movies and tv shows.
City On The Edge by skoolbus	May 4th, 2009 02:13:22 PM
A feature-film version of "City On The Edge Of Forever" would be pretty amazing. Ellison's original treatment had lots of interesting ideas that never made it into the final version.
Alphanumeric1971 by Stunt Vocalist 709	May 4th, 2009 02:14:32 PM
Thanks for the reasoned reply. I thought I was going to get flamed... A good example of preconceptions not being accurate. Don't let dribs and drabs of hearsay keep you from giving it the fair benefit of the doubt. Keep your mind wide open and try to have fun with it. If it truly sucks (in the bad way) then savage it appropriately in the next ST talkback. You and I both know that Star Trek has had its awesome and aweful moments since it all started. Every now and then we are pleasantly surprised. I have a couple of discerning friends who have seen the new movie. Both did not want to like it. And both were very surpised to find that they had the best Star Trek experience in many, many years. Plus, it seems that every reviewer that has actually seen the movie (even the ones who make a hobby of trashing the sci-fi genre) have been overwhelmingly positive. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.
"Your" movies an TV shows? by Professor_Monster	May 4th, 2009 02:15:08 PM
You mean the things you were hired to TYPE? Which is yours? Legend Of Zorro - a story built on a Rossio and Elliott pitch? Mission Impossible 3? You invented Mission Impossible? Transformers - yes because we all know Michel Bay can tell great work from bad. The island -- this is my favorite - weren't you fucking sued for stealing this script from "Parts: The Clonus Horror"?? Get back to work on the Star Trek sequel - I hear the toys are hitting the shelves as soon as next week.
Bob Orci, scribe of break-dancing robots... by Darth_Inedible	May 4th, 2009 02:41:29 PM
IN A WORLD WHERE ROBOTS FART, AND ALL OF LIFE'S MYSTERIES ORIGINATE IN A TOP-SECRET GOVERNMENT FACILITY IN NEVADA CALLED AREA 51, ONE MAN BRINGS LIFE TO SCRIPTS THAT NO ONE ELSE WILL TOUCH...
Re: Boborci by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 02:45:47 PM
Don't be swayed by the negative douchebags on this talkback. Most people I know have liked what they've seen and heard of "Star Trek," and I think you and Alex have done some solid writing in your careers. Not that you need a pat on the shoulder, but I represent most people when I say I'm excited for this reboot. One question: was Nick Meyer actually godlike and kneelworthy?
Professor_Monster -- Oh god, no... by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 02:50:38 PM
...we don't even do our own typing... indentured interns transcribe our drunken dictaphone ramblings... incidentally, I'm required by law to give you an application to our typing pool if you request one... but in the meantime, kudos on being the Woodward and Bernstein of hack writers - enquiring minds want the truth!
Cobbio was "Nick Meyer kneelworthy?" by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 02:52:12 PM
Absolutely -- he's like a Starfleet admiral, no?
Hmm by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 02:54:31 PM
(Looking up photo of Nick Meyer)... (click, click, click)...
He Does by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 02:59:22 PM
Meyer does look like a freakin' Starfleet admiral. Chuckle, chuckle. He's got those all-seeing eyes and in-command grin. I'm glad you kneeled before him so he won't unleash his mind-control powers.
BOBORCI by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION	May 4th, 2009 03:01:20 PM
One question. in the new movie, will the phasers be set to TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION?
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 03:02:52 PM
If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you set your phasers to TFD?
YES I WOULD, BOBORCI by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION	May 4th, 2009 03:05:31 PM
but then again, my phasers are always set to TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
I saw this movie at an early preview... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 03:06:21 PM
and I can only assume those talkbackers who claim its nothing but explosions and effects have either not seen the film yet, or were watching the film with their "hate" goggles on and the intelligence zoomed right by them. You know, this film isn't a course in astrophysics, and it's not a sociology class...But that's a good thing. I don't want to be lectured for two hours. On the other hand the film deftly incorporates such topics as astrophysics and sociology (mostly Spock's heritage and the social problems it causes him...classic trek). A good Trek Film (TWOK, First Contact...For both the og and TNG crowd) injects thoughtful elements into an Action Adventure story...and that's Exactly what this film does. My one problem: Hey Bob Orci, Nurse Chapel IS part of the main crew. Except for the movies, she was featured on the show more than Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov...maybe even more than Scotty. Seriously, go back and watch, she's always around and always has something to say and do regarding the plot.
Dr.DirtyD - Nurse Chapel by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 03:10:59 PM
Agreed... maybe in the next one... but I think it's fair to say that a general audience is more familiar with Trek without her as a result of the movies, Trek II- IV being among the most popular.
oh, and don't do Khan again by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 03:11:21 PM
not all of us agree with Beaks...ever. It's just, there's already 78 other great ideas to play with...like Tholians!!!!! Orci, I'm gonna be hounding you about the Tholians for the next year buddy. Here and at Trekmovie.com Tholians!!
BOB by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 03:15:15 PM
Praise Bale. Praise Him.
Yea, but screw those movies... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 03:16:39 PM
oh, and... Tholians!!!
IF YOU HAVE NICHOLAS MEYER'S BLESSING, THAT'S OKAY by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 03:18:07 PM
He gave us the best Star Treks there ever were. He and Roddenberry alone are responsible for all that is great about Trek. May they receive Bale's blessings.
Agreed. Khan would be a bad move by Kief_Ledger	May 4th, 2009 03:19:13 PM
It would put expectations at way too lofty that whatever you and Alex write will disappoint people. Plus, since I hear this movie is great, expectations are still going to be high for the sequel regardless of whether you use Khan or not.
Good luck Bob..and I really mean that... by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 03:22:19 PM
considering the vile, amateurish shit you and your partner usually punch out; here is to hoping you finally found the time to respect yourseles and your fucking profession. Look...based on what I know of your skills, I am not holding my breath; but I do sincerly hope you brought what passes for your "A" game to this beloved property. Up till this point you guys have been the gold standard of new Hollywood, meaning utter mediocrities; but I'm willing to give you one last chance before I forever relegate anything you touch to being not even worth stealing from Piratebay. Oh...No, I will STILL DL and review this before I actually go to the theater and pay money to see it, as I now do with ALL movies. ANd don't give me a line of crap about how "It must be seen on the Big Screen to be appreciated" thats bullshit and we all know it...a good story doesn't even need a fucking screen...and no amount of CGI mastubation can save a bad one (Transformers). Also...is Bay letting you get sloppy seconds from Fox? Is it her viscious, brain addling vag drippings, or perhaps her rumored stellar oral skillsm, that made you retarded to think that a sentient robot, several thousand years advanced from us, would fucking cry window wiper fluid when told he can't go somewhere? .
BOB - DO WE NEED TO CHECK OUR BRAINS AT THE DOOR by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 03:28:16 PM
Or can we take them inside?
conspiracy -- Must see on big screen by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 03:30:27 PM

Tholians by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 03:30:56 PM
Tholians, eh? Interesting idea, Dr.DirtyD. Those were the implacable aliens that slowly spin laserwebs to ensnare and destroy starships, right? I remember them. In a turn of expectations, something happens that causes the Tholians to want to join Starfleet. Something has scared them so much they're fearing for their very survival. Kirk and a fleet of Tholian ships investigate the outskirts of the stormy galactic core, where a Jupiter-sized organism from another dimension has materialized in the chaos. Kirk and the Tholians spread out and desperately go to work. Shit, should I not have posted that idea?
BringingSexyBack by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 03:31:11 PM
You may need it, I'd smuggle it in...
Stunt Vocalist 709 by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 03:34:19 PM
Yeah—I'd say give it the benefit of the doubt. Calling these two hacks is ridiculous and full of spite–born–from–jealousy . Does anyone really believe that screenwriting isn't collaborative? That directors like Bay don't have control over the final draft; that he doesn't control WHAT HE WANTS TO SEE ONSCREEN?! Word to the wise, not everyone is PT Anderson or the Coens. Some people have to 'write to tast,' and usually that's the producers taste, but often its a double hit of producer and director. You can't force Michael Bay to like something 'better,' because he's confident in what he does/likes. I remember going to see "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" in the cinema and overhearing some Trek loyalists hating it. I mean, stuff like: "A real Trekkie wouldn't kill Spock!" or "They turned the Enterprise into the Royal Navy" etc. The rest of the audience just enjoyed the movie, which is now regarded as a classic by the Trek faithful. I have a suspicion that this may work the same way for Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams as well.
Orci and Kurtzman are to movies -- by Professor_Monster	May 4th, 2009 03:34:21 PM
What Miley Cyrus and Paris Hilton's album are to music. Meaning, they both get stuff made - but not by request.
BOB - GREAT by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 03:35:31 PM
Just like we do with soda and candy. What they charge at concession is criminal. I'm looking forward to this. Warp speed factor 10!!!
that's "write to taste" by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 03:35:48 PM
My rant is done.
Hehe by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 03:36:46 PM
I kind of agree with Bob, conspiracy. Can't watch that shit on the small screen.
Cobb by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 03:42:57 PM
That actually sounds pretty sweet. Though, i would suggest leave the Tholians as antagonist a little long, for they are quite formidable. Oh, and Nurse Chapel defects to the Tholian side and leads a special brigade of the Tholian fleet.
man, I sound like a SpinerFemme by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 03:45:40 PM
But for Nurse Chapel. and Tholians!!!
T and NC by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 03:54:59 PM
There you go, Dr.DirtyD! Tholians and Nurse Chapel, though I'm not sure who she even is. I'm assuming she's hot, however, which works alongside laser-spinning aliens. Maybe she falls in love with a cute Tholian, played by Zac Efron? Maybe the Tholian doesn't know what "love" is, and finds out the wocka-ch-wocka human way? Awww yeah! I hope we're not boring the crap out of you with these delusional ideas, BobOrci. I'm sure you went through insane plot-finding missions when you were writing too.
Roddenberry on WrATH OF Kahn by spoits	May 4th, 2009 03:55:58 PM
when i was in college at Clemson a LONG time ago Roddenberry came to speak. I was on the speakers' comm. so i got to go to the after party and talk to him. when asked about the wrath he was not happy with it. one example is the scene where the one living creature from the dead planet crawls out of checkoff's ear. "then Kirk the explorer seeing this new form of life for the first time goes KILL IT KILL IT." he then did this thing like stomping on a big roach.
Bullshit...so what you are all saying is... by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 03:59:52 PM
the only way I will appreciate this is if I am in a theater full of candy fueled prepubescents and hormone enraged teens; to whom a good movie is CGI fappery, loud noises, and cliched sexuality? That this story can't stand on it's own as at least a passable example of the craft? Maybe I'll just save the bandwidth, not to mention my $25-30 bucks.
Boborci by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 04:00:26 PM
Thanks for the interview. I know you guys are mad busy, but, I'm curious—Alex directed an episode of 'Alias, back in the day—do either of you hanker to direct a feature? Maybe something SF? If so would you direct your own script or someone elses?
blakindigo by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 04:10:08 PM
yeah we'd love to direct soon, maybe reboot the Godfather or Star Wars or maybe Citizen Kane.
"I don't want to be lectured for two hours" by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:13:13 PM
Translation: "I want my entertainment really stupid".
What?! You don't want to — by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 04:17:27 PM
make a live action "Rubik's the Amazing Cube" or "Thundarr the Barbarian"? The horror…the horror…
Boborci is not the real Roberto "Bob" Orci by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:18:09 PM
He's just a guy taking the piss. But just in case he's the real guy, i'd like to take this oportunity to remind this mexican't fool that he is one of the worst thing even to happen to the art and craft of screenwriting, and he is helping the destruction of modern american cinema, one movie at a time. Good job, BOB!! Fuckin' ass!!!
blakindigo by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:20:59 PM
Yeah, it's "spite–born–from–jealous y" to see a miserable untalented hack for what he is. That's an original defense for mediocrity!! Jesus, people go to great lenghts to defend crap and the hacks that make them this days!
Conspiracy... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 04:23:59 PM
I agree, i don't want to see any of those things, or a shitty Hollywood sci-fi movie either. So, it's a good thing i didn't see any of them when i saw Star Trek last week. Fact=Hollywood produces mostly crap. Fact= once in a while something good can be made within that system. Star Trek was great.
7 months to go by kwisatzhaderach	May 4th, 2009 04:25:33 PM

AsimovLives by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 04:30:39 PM
I got suckered by the piss take. I'm not defending mediocrity; it's pretty obvious that if you're hired by a studio to write a screenplay, the quickest way to get fired is not deliver on what you've agreed to write,i.e. what the producer wants. Or do you really think the auteur theory is viable for most studio product?
I'm conflicted about Orci, but it's a good. example... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 04:34:59 PM
Of nothing in this world being set in stone. I honestly haven't enjoyed anything else I've seen of Orci and Kurtzmans work. I didn't like Transformers, I didn't care about M:III etc. But Star Trek is my new favorite Star Trek movie right now. Whatever they did wrong in their previous films (bad jokes, robots pissing on people, race intolerant dialog between soldiers AND Stereotypes, characters we don't give a fuck about and on and on), NONE of that showed up in Star Trek. I kind of chalked up the Transformers crap to Micheal Bay anyway, since all the suck is in line with his usual...suck. I guess that's just why people loss at gambling=you just can't "call" everything in this world based on past performance. There are too many variables in life to see it all so cut and dry.
asimovlives -- always find it funny that people by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 04:35:03 PM
with such low regard for us would then assume that anyone would bother to impersonate us
"Fact= once in a while something good... by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:42:20 PM
... can be made within that system". Yes, it's called The Dark knight, and it happens when real talented people get together and make a real movie. Unlike what this clowns "Bob" Orci and his jolly club of pirates do.
Dr.DirtyD by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 04:48:44 PM
The racial stereotypes are a Bay trademark. I enjoyed MI:III because of my low expectations and some inspired sequences (stealing the 'Rabbit's Foot' come to mind). They seem to be hired guns or work-for-hire script doctors, labouring for various studio pipelines. I'm fascinated to see what these dudes can do on their original stuff. I think it's too easy to call someone a hack when you're not seeing a full representation of his work.
Boborci by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:49:15 PM
Just in case, and for the sake of argument, that you are who you claim to be, i'd say that there is a very good reason to impersonate a real Hollywood person in here, and that would be to satarise and mock the hell out of them, in tongue-in-cheek type humour. And there is no low redarg for you. What you call low regard is in fact a realistic, logical and rational acessement of your true valor, which is, not much at all. The pudrid bullshit you call your career is made of the worst example of how low a hack can go to have a career made in infamy for the sake of a paycheck. Some people get highly payed because they are very good, you are payed to make the worst piece of braindead audience intelligence insulting mediocrity I'm sorry if i'm not star struck by an hack, but sometimes it might be worth remembering, in your Hollywood bubble where your mediocre talent is so protected, that there are people are not that impressed with the type of fakery crap you deliver time and again. Not that it actually matters, does it, with all that money keep pouring in while making idioticy for fast consuption.
Well, i'm glas we get two great films made within the sytem by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 04:50:32 PM
Dark knight AND Star Trek. But, Dark knight was a bit more obvious. We knew the folks involved were capable of producing a good film. Star Trek is a pleasant surprise given the track record of the screen writers. And this is what I'm talking about. We all could have bet money on Dark knight being good. While Star Trek is riskier money that pays off big time in the end.
THe MI:3 Rabit Foot bullshit by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:53:37 PM
It's the typical bulslhit crap wehre a bunch of hacks couldn't come up with some interesting mcguffin, so they decide that it's, like, dude, an hommage to Hitchcock and Ronin and Pulp fiction, because, like, in those movies, you never get to know what the mcguffin is too, right? Well, with the exception that in those mvoies, they had interesting characters to follow and a darn interesting story to tell. While in that MI:3 bullshit, all they had was teenager melodrama crap and a star too inlove with himself, and a miserable hack director who's an expert in disguising idioticy as if it's smart and original for 13 years old. How people can mistake MI:3 for a good movie defies belief!
Also by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 04:58:19 PM
I don't get why AsimovLives seems to think it's easy to do work-for-hire? 'The Dark Knight' is an aberration. I mean literally, the stars lined up for that movie. We're talking 5 previous 'Batman' movies, plus the comic book AND the animated series to get it 'right'. The odds in making 'TDK' a complete success was a LONG TIME COMING. Play those numbers in Vegas and tell me how well you did.
Dr.DirtyD by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 04:58:20 PM
Star Trek already has a built in audience, so, a fat opening day is garanteed. What's remains to be see is what kind of legs the movie has after the first week. And no, Star Trek is not a risk if you turn it into an action movie. A riskier proposition would be if you did what they did back in 1979 with the terribly underrated "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", to deliver a cerebral Star Trek movie more interested in mood, mystery, sense of wonder and supense then in battle scenes filled to the grill with the most recent CGI and a main cast that belongs to a teen drama. This later is called "catering to the teens", and studios do that shit all the time. That's not a risk, that's playing as safe as it gets.
All i can say is Infinite Diversity in infinite Combination's by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:03:01 PM

blakindigo by AsimovLives	May 4th, 2009 05:04:51 PM
The sucess of The Dark Knigth is unexplainable. It was not it's quality that made it so sucessful. It was not the date of it's release. It was no one or that factor. nobody knows! Nobody really knows why it's so sucessful. It defied and went beyond even the most wild expectations. Simply put, there's no way to manufacture that kind of sucess. Impossible. Sucesses like this just happen, and to the most unexpected movies. It was just proverbial tha tit happened to such a genuinatly great movie. But that's not a causality, it's casuality. The only thign worst being a hack-for-hire is the amount of self-pride you have to swallow everyday for the sake of a paycheck. But it seems some type of people find it easy to whore themselves like that, and they soldier one, because for the it's not about art or pride in a day's work, but in getting fuckign rich by writing the most retarded shit imaginable. That's easy work. Hard work is you busting your ass trying to make a really good movie and not even getting payed much or nothing at all, while you see much worst people getting by and getting rich by insulting the audience's intelligences with mediocrity.
AsimovLives...Agreed. by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 05:13:03 PM
All that can be hoped for with guys like Orci is one of the following 1. That eventually the thrill of banging starlets and underage Hollywood runaways subsides, that their coffers fill to overflowing, or that somehow reality wakes up their employers and they simply go away; thus leaving room for someone with even an eyedropper full of heart and talent. Or, 2. They wake up some morning, and decide that it is time to honor their profession, to respect themselves and the audience and they actually start turning out some quality. Maybe Trek is that turning point for Bob and Co.,the point where being financially comfortable, they take their jobs seriously. However, judging by the Transformers stuff I'm seeing...probably not.
I'd disagree— by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 05:14:17 PM
—only because of the amount of people trying to survive as working screenwriters. It's extremely hard to get a screenplay read, much less produced. Hell, to even get a studio to 'slate' your script for production is like giving birth to an adult sanitation worker In order to be read a script has to be outstanding, but, the final product might be shite (yes, I'm looking at you 'Soldier'). Hell, even people who do 'hack,' are grinding away with an insane work ethic. Nothing easy about it.
Star Trek has always been by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:27:34 PM
a Science Fiction Adventure story with great characters and ideas. And it always fails when it losses the the balance on either side of the scales. I still watch TMP, and I still enjoy it as the first return of the characters, and as a bit of an extension of ideas seen in a few TOS episodes. But it really lacked the Pulp Space Opera Element that Star Trek can't deny. All the trek shows had these action adventure elements. The trick is finding the right balance, and in my opinion the new Trek does it perfectly. Asimov, just read my post again or something: the "risk" i was talking about was in regards to the previous work of the creative people behind trek ( as the post notes, I agree with your distaste). Yes Hollywood sucks and caters to teens and shoves brainless product down our throats 24/7. But just because there are young people in a film doesn't mean it's instant shit. There's no universal laws of physics we can follow to successfully predict 100% failure. We can be right a lot of the time. But you can't say this=this about crap human beings make up.
"are you the tooth fairy?" by supercowbell4therequestformoreco wbell	May 4th, 2009 05:28:09 PM
GARBAGE
BSB - Bale actually has three ears by spud mcspud	May 4th, 2009 05:30:16 PM
A left ear, a right ear, and a final front ear. DA-DUM TSSSSSSHHH!!! I'll be here all week. Waiting for that FUCKING SOLOMON KANE REVIEW, probably.
Remake by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 05:31:12 PM
Good to hear BobOrci might direct a remake of "The Godfather." That'd be sweet! VITO: Make me an offer I can't refuse GIANT DRAGON-HEADED ALIEN (seething voice from 50 ft. above): Puny humans! Here's my offer! As GIANT DRAGON-HEADED ALIEN gathers itself to strike, Vito's people bust out of a long line of Limos and open fire with Tommy guns. Alien dies in a pool of bloody green viscera. VITO: It doesn't make any difference to me what a man does for a living, you understand, it's just that your business is a little dangerous. Yeah, I could see that.
and then Nurse Chapel wraps a Tholian web.. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:32:39 PM
around Vito.
blakindigo...Mediocrity is never easy... by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 05:34:22 PM
Nobody is doubting Orci & Co. work ethic...just their output. Ever see Special Ed classes fingerpainting? Those spastic fuckers work their asses off...tongues out, concentration high, sweaty brows..the works.; but the results are still akin to what you'd get if you turned a class of 6 yr olds high on Chocolate and Pixie Sticks loose with spray cans, a mile of white fences and no supervision. And I disagree that to be read a script has to be "Outstanding"...Transformers, etc; were not "outstanding" scripts. Look at what Hollywood pumps out...where is this "Quality", where are the "outstanding" screenplays?
STAR TREK V - THE FINAL BALE by spud mcspud	May 4th, 2009 05:36:15 PM
Bale-God: "I need your vessel." The Shat: "What does God need with a starship?" Bale-God: "WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? WHAT THE FUCK - NO! NO! DON'T TELL ME TO CALM DOWN! WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?" The Shat: "What does God need with a starship?" Bale-God: "You're a nice guy! YOU'RE A NICE FUCKING GUY BUT THAT DON'T CUT IT WHEN YOU'RE BULLSHITTING LIKE THIS! I KNOW YOU GET IT! I KNOW YOU GET IT BUT THESE FUCKING SCRIPTWRITERS, THEY DON'T FUCKING GET IT! THEY! DO! NOT! GET! IT!" The Shat: "Don't you know? Aren't you God?" Bale-God: "I WILL KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS!" The Shat: "Why is God angry?" Bale-God: "I NEVER HAD A FUCKING ACTOR BEHAVE LIKE THIS! FUCKING ASS! FUCKING AMATEUR!" The Shat: "That ain't fucking Professional. Anyway, BOSTON LEGAL was better than the new Star Trek." Bale-God: "Fuckin' A."
Yea, Nurse Chapel Hated Transformers.. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:36:46 PM
But I'm pretty sure the Tholians watch Alias. I know Q loves M:III
Nom, Nom, Nom, Slurp! by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 05:36:48 PM
Fucking sell outs.
Let me just say this: by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	May 4th, 2009 05:37:46 PM
Now that I've gotten my rather demented-sounding rant off my chest, I'd just like to comparatively coherently explain my disdain for this movie: in my opinion, from every trailer, TV spot, interview and spoiler I've seen thus far, JJ Abram's Star Trek is part of the culmination of the decline of the motion picture over the past 30 years. Cinema used to be an art form, one which was admittedly in its infancy, one which was more visceral and perhaps in a way even more intimate than was ever possible before, such a potent combination of audio and visual stimulation as it was. The 1930's through the 1970's truly was the golden age of film. Now I love blockbusters, but once the money-making capabilities of the feature film were realized, and films began raking in massive amounts of cash, the studios began to be bought by corporate conglomerates, a process which began in the early 1980's and really solidified by the early 2000's. Now, Hollywood has become steadily and creatively bankrupt, set on auto-pilot and putting out so much bland, mindless, soulless, homogenized corporate product, made to appeal to the lowest common dominator and rake in as much cash as possible. There's no intelligence, no ingenuity, because the people running the studios do NOT view cinema as an art, just a way to make money; films are now just another source of revenue, a cog in the corporate machine. As a result, films of every genre have begun to become indistinguishable from each other, concerned with purely shallow, "reality TV"-type entertainment, supposedly snappy dialogue devoid of truth or substance, the need to sell more action figures and more video games. In ten years, people will probably line up to watch two hours of the wavey lines that show up when you play an audio file in Windows Media Player. Ultimately, the new Star Trek falls squarely with the new Hollywood, the one solely concerned with appearing "gangsta" and cool to the brain dead 12-year-old 50 cent paris hilton generation. There's no room for true artistry in modern Hollywood, just conformity and endless sequels, prequels, remakes, and adaptations. Even the original films are completely lackluster. Even filmmakers who were once brilliant have lost their passion, and become studio executives or close to it. The industry is dying; some would say its already dead. I've heard people say JJ Abrams is the most creative mind in Hollywood right now; if that's true, the most creative mind in Hollywood is only capable of regurgitating TV shows from forty years ago. It's just really sad. And BTW, I have a really bad feeling about this movie. The last two times I was this worried about a film, it was about "Crystal Skullfuck" and "Aliens VS Predator - Rectum", and we all know how those two shitfests turned out!
Nice Ending, DirtyD by Cobbio	May 4th, 2009 05:38:33 PM
Vito Corleone, Tommy Guns, bloody green viscera, Nurse Chapel, and Tholians all wrapped up into an epic of wrongness. Might just work, eh?
Spud.. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:38:42 PM
You should find some way to film that yourself. It's a lot more engaging than Gods reaction in the film.
The last time Chapel was worried about a movie... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:41:56 PM
she realized she had important job to do on the enterprise and she stopped worrying about it. Then the Tholians attached!!!
....to her brain. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:42:41 PM
then they attacked!!!
All aboard the AICN circle slurp! by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 05:45:12 PM

I hear you conspiracy by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 05:45:14 PM
but, "Transformers" wasn't a script that was brought to Paramount as an original production. It was a toy property. A screenwriters work that gets them an agent, most likely won't see the light of day. No one has read James Cameron's script "Mother" or Brian Helgeland and Manny Coto's "The Ticking Man". There are exceptions of course.
The last time Nurse Chapel slurped anything... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 05:54:57 PM
she realized she was in an alternate-universe where she was a sex object instead of a real living and breathing person who's gender was female. So she left that shitty Alt-Universe and came back to the 23rd century. But then the Tholians Attacked.
Wow... I can't understand all the venom by TragicComic	May 4th, 2009 06:08:51 PM
I don't usually post, but I have to say to all the haters out there who haven't seen the movie. Just wait. I've been a long time Trek sort of fan. I still remember the ride home in my parents care after watching Spock die. It was intense. When I saw the first trailer for the new show I was appalled. I thought that it would be Star Trek 90210. To me MI:III felt like a a high budget made for TV movie, and I was worried that Abrams didn't have the skill to make a real movie. Then I saw the newer trailers and I thought, hey... this actually looks like it could be good. Well, I got to see a screening last Saturday with my wife (who hates Star Trek), and I was quite simply blown the fuck out of my seat. I may be a bit of an emotional sap, but I came close to tears in the first 15 minutes! The characters are a hell of a lot of fun, there's a metric fuck-ton of call-outs to the trek fan in me (keep your eye out for the first red shirt, you'll see it coming a mile a way, and if you're like me you'll laugh out loud and people will look at you). And most of all it's a balls to the wall rousing adventure, something sorely lacking in recent movie history. And I'll tell you what, it's not often that an entire theater claps at the end of a movie. My wife said "it was fucking awesome", and she's a Lifetime Movie of the Week kind of person (if there's no one being victimized, she's usually not into it). All that said, we can't wait to see it again with all of our friends, opening night, at the local Cine Capri (for those of you in AZ, you know). So, anyway, go ahead and call me a shill and all that shit, but be prepared to watch this movie take off like a fucking rocket! And while you're at it, sit back and enjoy the awesome ride.
MR. BEAKS...you are coming off much more human lately. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 06:12:24 PM
Keep it up. Somehow you were even able to make an interview with these two cum receptacles enjoyable. Star Trek looks great...but seriously Auschwitz should be reopened just for these two fucks.
I hear Nurse Chapel has a secret crush... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 06:18:58 PM
on DannygloversDickblood. That's why the Tholians want to take him out.
DGDB...The power of Bale is with you! by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 06:22:15 PM
"...Auschwitz should be reopened just for these two fucks." Truer words have seldom been uttered amongst the faithful.
hehehe. Actually there is a 3rd vacancy at Hotel Auschwitz... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 06:26:36 PM
....I'll see you to your fucking chamber DANNY GLOVER'S UNDERSCORE. You unoriginal, rambling, CUNT.
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester by kwisatzhaderach	May 4th, 2009 06:47:54 PM
Great post.
Tragic Comic = the dumb masses, or just dumb shit by Professor_Monster	May 4th, 2009 06:53:19 PM
and you wife needs to watch her fucking mouth and stop cussing. The movie sucked -
damn by slkboxrman	May 4th, 2009 06:55:20 PM
all this hate for a film not even released. hard to believe the assumption that because there are young actors in a movie that its catering to brain dead people, honestly the crap on TV like CHUCK and all the reality shows take care of that..all weve seen are trailers and clips, no one can judge a whole film based just on that, unless ur psychic or super intelligent...i rule this out because of the sheer stupidity of the comments im reading...time travel is not lazy writing...an alternate timeline is neccessary, sorry to all u nerds that insist that the TOS timeline be held up on a pedastal and played out...thats boring, and thats unoriginal, and the same people cry about unoriginality in hollywood, a little hypocritical aint ya ? i myself would have preffered a new cast and ship or at least finish off next gen correctly, but from what ive seen this looks great...and stop hating on orci and kurtzman...i agree that the hate for them is based on jealousy from aspiring screenwriters that have had all their scripts turned away as garbage...dont hate because theyre successful, and write successful scripts that blend action humor and romance in perfect harmony that audiences love..get over it and finally fill out that burger king application we all know u have because your destiny is to flip burgers, but dont give up, u might become manager someday..lol
They READ previous episodes? by catlettuce4	May 4th, 2009 06:57:35 PM

industry killer by slkboxrman	May 4th, 2009 06:58:40 PM
saying transformers was the worst script u ever read says to me that u dont read scripts much or read for that matter... ok what script is the best script u ever read...i cant wait to hear it...and did that particular script ever get made into a film and if so what was the box office tallys ??
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester: Do you make entertainment? by TragicComic	May 4th, 2009 07:00:29 PM
I ask this because I would say that Star Trek IS art. Just because it has to make money and costs a fuck ton to make, don't dismiss the work that these men do. I've spent most of my life making interactive entertainment, and to create anything in an environment that can satisfy the creative need that some of us have along all the while doing right by the people that put their faith in us is as tough a job as it gets. The fact that these projects even get built stands as a testament to the personal strength and will that is required to grab hold of a massive production like these and drive them through to the end. .. fuck it, you know what... fuck all y'all, you guys should be ashamed of the shit that you type. Until you've walked a mile in their shoes, until you've had a marketing twit sand bag your project because it was easier for them to do than their job, until you've had executives ask you insane questions that indicate they have no idea wtf they are doing, yet they make the final decisions on whether a project get's greenlit, until you've watched an amazing AAA studio ground into nothing because licensed products are "safer", until you've walked out on a disgustingly high paying job because you didn't have the creative freedom to wipe your own ass... until you've experienced anything like that, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...
slkboxrman by spud mcspud	May 4th, 2009 07:03:00 PM
You're so fucking dumb I don't know where to start. CHUCK is shit? That's one you lose. "dont hate because theyre successful, and write successful scripts that blend action humor and romance in perfect harmony that audiences love.."... PLANTY PLANTY MCPLANTY PLANT. Get off here, Kurtzman, Orci or whichever fucking lousy hack you are, and go suckle at the teat of the imagination-deficient execs you are currently cockgobbling. No-one can possibly write a post of such stunning stupidity and inanity and NOT be in some way connected to the studio system. Run along and plot the next step in the long, slow death of imaginatio and originality, you worshipper of All That Does SUCK. You aren't fit to lick the sweat off William Goldman's balls, you fucking parasite. Away with ye, and get writing THE UNINSPIRED ADVENTURES OF KID-FRIENDLY CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW AND THE TREASURE OF ULTIMATE BOREDOM.
spud by slkboxrman	May 4th, 2009 07:05:01 PM
what a name...wow. anyhow u just made my point, loser
kwisatzhaderach, thanks! by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	May 4th, 2009 07:05:52 PM
TragicComic, you don't need experience in a field to form a judgment on it. By your logic, one would have to be a world leader before criticizing another world leader, a musician to voice a viable taste in music, ETC. Quite frankly, that's bull.
tragic by slkboxrman	May 4th, 2009 07:06:23 PM
u saw the response i got ? thats what ur dealing with here...its sad
Professor_Monster by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 07:06:40 PM
I really don't think you've seen it...
Yes,yes, yes, yes, yes- a rebooted Khan? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes by NoHubris	May 4th, 2009 07:07:00 PM

TragicComic by spud mcspud	May 4th, 2009 07:10:27 PM
So because some pencilneck fucked you over in your creative-type job, the rest of us should shut the fuck up and be content that every summer the tentpole blockbusters are just getting fucking dumber? Just because it takes hard work to make big movies, we shouldn't call for them to be BETTER just because they got made AT ALL? That suit really must have done a number on you. Don't piss on your dreams - live them! Set up on your own, or go freelance, or do the same job for someone else. If you love creative freedom that much, you can do it. It ain't easy - and I'd NEVER presume to be a slick shit and say it is - but it's got to be worth it. Fuck, we SHOULD hold these assholes to account. Do you remember when summer movies WERE great? THE DARK KNIGHT wasn't that long ago, was it? IRON MAN? Keep that faith. ST sounds like a dumb but fun rollercoaster reboot - and if there's one thing STAR TREK should NOT be, it's dumb.
spud mcspud by Boborci	May 4th, 2009 07:10:30 PM
I don't hide behind false names.
spud by slkboxrman	May 4th, 2009 07:14:48 PM
IRON MAN yes... DARK KNIGHT no...dark knight was like mission impossible 3 starring batman...a crazy mess of a movie, if heath ledger doesnt steal the movie as the joker, it makes half, or less..
Do you make entertainment? -- are you German? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 07:15:19 PM
I met a German guy at a strip club in Vegas once. He kept asking me if I "Make Entertainment." I finally said What the fuck are you talking about? He pointed at the female on stage and said "You know....zee fuck entertainment." Do Germans refer to porn as FUCK ENTERTAINMENT? What I'm trying to say is TragicComic, you need to come clean about your addiction to German shit eater films. Not only is it unhealthy, its downright scandalous.
This whole "Films are getting dumber and dumber" argument... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 07:16:52 PM
....is going to be invalid once Francis Ford drop kicks you in the fucking nuts with Tetro.
Antonio Banderas IS Khan! by gotilk	May 4th, 2009 08:04:00 PM
Stunt casting!! Hey look, Mr Banderas, scenery!! chew chew chew chew
Antonio Banderas IS a Tholian. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 08:05:08 PM

or maybe he's an Organian.. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 08:07:59 PM
Hey the sequel could deal with the Klingon/Federation/Organian story-line. As long as Chapel and Tholians fit in somewhere. I"m sure they can figure it out.
Jack Black for Harry Mudd by crankyoldguy	May 4th, 2009 08:24:13 PM

and based on the trailer...the one dumb line... by crankyoldguy	May 4th, 2009 08:25:27 PM
may be..."buckle up." I mean, wtf? That's so 20th century. Here in the 21st we have click it or ticket.
boborci - You can think that - by Professor_Monster	May 4th, 2009 08:27:04 PM
I can see why this movie started off shitty -- Marc Evans got the ball rolling. I'm surprised they even keep him around after Sky Captain he should have been axed back then.
Prof... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 08:37:08 PM
everyone knows Marc Evens is in the beginning. You've got to wip out something not in a review or trailer ect. (but it also can't spoil the movie...fuck, that's tough).
BOB - HAVE YOU CONSIDERED GOING ON DANCING WITH THE STARS? by BringingSexyBack	May 4th, 2009 08:39:41 PM
I'd vote for ya.
the trailer catchphrase shouldve been "FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS" by supercowbell4therequestformoreco wbell	May 4th, 2009 08:57:38 PM
NEVER GETS OLD. oh wait. it does.
Summer of 1982 by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 09:40:17 PM
Still the best summer for tentpole studio pictures I don't think you have to be creative to judge creativity; I do however believe you have to be PERCEPTIVE to usefully judge creativity. Unfortunately, slamming a movie based on perceived faults without actually seeing it, isn't very perceptive. I think "Iron Man" is a great example. I don't think it's a great film. I do think it's an ENJOYABLE film and it was entertained. But, remember the hate for Jon Favreau? Geezus. "Iron Man" didn't insult me like "Transformers," did but, they were made for different audiences. "The Dark Knight" I think was an exceptional film. I felt it took risks like a 70's movie, with style and craftsmanship. But, why would I judge these movies BEFORE I actually saw them with snarky nonsense about how the filmmakers are destroying an already dying industry? Indiana Jones was directed by an extremely talented filmmaker, but somehow he lost the spirit of his own character in "KotKS". In 1982 he directed "E.T" and produced "Poltergeist"— both were tentpole pictures that delivered the goods. Also, in 1982 Nic Meyer directed "STII:tWOK," again a high point for the franchise. Was it as serious as "Blade Runner"? No. It was entertaining and genuinely touching, but probably not examining ideas as deeply as "Blade Runner." Either way, these films were judged harshly at the time by people who hadn't even seen them; the filmmakers were called lazy because they used VFX; the acting was criticized harshly; these movies were labeled empty eye candy, etc. They were seen as everything wrong with filmmaking at the time (except "E.T." the backlash on that film came a year later). Funny how these films are regarded as classics. Suddenly, a different generation finds 'depth' where the earlier generation found 'slickness' and 'ersatz emotion'. You don't have to be a filmmaker or creative person to adjudicate work, but hating just for sport is the absolute nadir of creativity. It has nothing to do with observation and perception. Do these films look dated now?
http://tinyurl.com/dfs3yj by DoctorZoidberg	May 4th, 2009 09:48:45 PM

http://tinyurl.com/dfs3yj by DoctorZoidberg	May 4th, 2009 09:49:40 PM

Thanks, DoctorZoidberg by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 09:49:51 PM
Beat me to it…
blakindigo, jus' doin by DoctorZoidberg	May 4th, 2009 09:58:35 PM

jus' doin' muh job..and hitting the enter key accidentally by DoctorZoidberg	May 4th, 2009 09:59:26 PM

Elisha Cuthbert as Nurse Chapel! by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 10:23:57 PM
But in this universe, she'd be the slut of the Enterprise.
Gary Coleman as the King Tribble. by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 10:26:31 PM
What You Talkin' Bout Captain K.
Anyway BobOrci— by blakindigo	May 4th, 2009 10:28:35 PM
—Never mind the haters and keep doing what you're doing. Alex Kurtzman's come a long way from being a P.A. on "Heat". Everyone knows this film is gonna hit big. Real big. Looking forward to your original stuff (I just can't get with "Transformers"—sorry, I tried but, it's not for me).
I'm cool with Transformers... by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 10:32:05 PM
But that has to do with Michael Bay. Any directer who decides to snort his cocaine off Megan Fox, just because he can is ok with me.
Yea, i'm out of here. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 10:32:11 PM
I try not to hang out with assholes.
Dr.DirtyD by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 10:35:44 PM
You're on the wrong site then.
Nipples... by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 10:37:36 PM
We all know it's your fear of woman that fuels your need to dehumanize them, your need to transform them from people into nipples and sluts. Your kind of like a star trek villain...kind of like Trelane, or Q.
I know, I know, AICN=assholes. by Dr.DirtyD	May 4th, 2009 10:39:22 PM
does it really have to live up to the clique? Never mind.
Trelane had great fashion sense. by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 10:39:43 PM

The NEW Enterprise voice for the sequel... by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 11:05:01 PM
Michael Duncan Clarke, just for the lulz.
Spock - Uhura - Nurse Chapel love triangle! by scriptgirl_nipples	May 4th, 2009 11:06:33 PM
PLEASE NO!
Dr.DirtyD...Let me explain something about mega Fox.. by conspiracy	May 4th, 2009 11:18:19 PM
When a girl has a tattoo of a FUCKING BULLSEYE right above the crack of her ass (like Fox does)...you really don't have to try THAT FUCKING hard to dehumanize them and make them out as sluts. Fox has done a pretty good job of doing that to herself....Bale Fucking Bless her.
blackindigo...dude you are seriously on the by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:23:25 PM
wrong site my friend, hating as and for sport is what passes as film analysis here pal....
Btw ...Francis Ford Coppola=overrated and by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:27:15 PM
boring. Ony the godfather was good, eveything else was bloated and would be pg rated now....And lets not forget that very schmaltzy Jack and the incomprehensible youth without youth. Coppola is only good at making things look pretty...
he could nt construct a story to save his life.. by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:28:08 PM

Coppola is overrated. Yet Cameron is God? Hahaha. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 11:32:39 PM
You're a good representative of South Africans....a clueless cunt. Keep talking pal.
actually..i was being really sarcastic, but then by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:40:42 PM
as useal you are too stupid to understand that. I was trying to emulate your ignorance, and generalizations by pulling shit out of my ass to support my own personal opinion...you know Danny? Like you do all the time...
oh...but wait I see....you can dish, but like all by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:42:26 PM
loud mouthed, obnoxious, American attention seekers you cant take...lol you are fucking hilarious...
no, no you keep talking dickhead, your by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:47:08 PM
imbecillic rantings and weird fantasies that you post here that you so despertely wish were true are far more entertaining than anything I could think up.
You don't have the brain capacity to process sarcasm... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 11:47:38 PM
...you lying fuck. You were trying to emulate my ignorance? You were just counting on me being here at this exact hour? Fuck off with that nonsense man. Shut the fuck up and listen to this....even though I would enjoy pissing in your dead mother's mouth, I'm willing to offer this gift. http://tinyurl.com/383zmj
though we do appear to have found lil ol by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:49:22 PM
danny's soft spot....think I may need to go into the Tetro talkback and make lots of shit up, and attack anyone that does nt see the wisdom of my hate for something.....lol who knew pissing Danny off was so easy...
IESB McG comments abou T5 true? Help us out, AICN! by JuanSanchez	May 4th, 2009 11:51:31 PM
http://www.iesb.net/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&i d=6826&Itemid=99
Ha ha ha....oh Danny you really are too by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:52:34 PM
funny....hard as it is for you to believe not everyone is like you. I really was being sarcastic, and knew you would raise to my bait of insulting Coppola. I just enjoy pissing you off becos you are such an attention seeking loudmouth.
for the record i dont think Coppola is overrated by southafricanguy	May 4th, 2009 11:54:51 PM
at all, his 70s work is almost untouchable. True classics in every sense of the word. But Im not really in to what he has done in recent years.
If I was so attention seeking would I be on here at 10pm.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 11:55:34 PM
.....in a TB with 1 or 2 other people? Uhhhhhhhhhh. Probably not. I get a kick out of you. You're like a big sloppy pussy. I don't give a fuck what people say-- BIG PUSSY = MORE FUN. You can tug on it, stretch it, smack it, do the 4 finger shuffle, really slam it balls deep with no complaints, etc.
10pm West Coast..... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 11:56:20 PM

And for the record, I have no beef with South Africa.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 4th, 2009 11:57:18 PM
....they gave us Charlize Theron, and she deserves nothing less than an American fist in her culo.
Terminator 5 time travels to 2011 - WTF!? by scriptgirl_nipples	May 5th, 2009 12:00:13 AM
I can see that turning out to be the same fucking shit as always.
And even if i did nt like Coppola's movies by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:00:58 AM
I would never make up shit about him, or call him an untalented hack. And nor would I attack anyone and insult them personally for liking him, because anyone with any film knowledge or more than two brain cells is aware of his skill and legacy, even if its not to your particular taste. But you see thats the difference between you and me Danny...
I don't attack people for disagreeing with me. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:02:27 AM
I attack people when they start behaving like fucking pricks and need to get spanked.
Danny...im not even going to pretend to by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:03:14 AM
understand that weird sexual fantasy you just outlined...whatever spins your bicycle wheels dude...lol
Which one? Smacking a big sloppy pussy or fisting Charlize? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:04:35 AM
I think you can tell a lot about a man's character based on what kinda pussy he prefers. Same goes with cunt hair/no hair preference.
really Danny ? please explain when that by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:06:43 AM
happened then? Because in the past we had several really civil conversation, even if we disagreed, then out of nowhere you just attacked me, my nationality, and my country. Since then its fair game to attack everything about you pal
How can you fuck in South Africa? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:07:44 AM
Don't 1 in 3 cunts house an infestation of AIDS? Seriously. Is that like a massive concern? I don't think I could ever fuck in that cesspool. I'm not trying to be rude, but really......please tell me thats part of the reason you got the fuck out of there.
southafricanguy -- really? I don't remember. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:09:25 AM
I do remember being cool with you before and you said something that really pissed me off and since then we always go at each other. I'll tell you what....I'm gonna reach across the aisle right now. I'm gonna go all Nelson Mandela and shit and be a pacifist. NO MORE VIOLENCE! From here on in, I got no quarrel with you.
where have i just attacked anyone personally? by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:14:53 AM
I have only ever expressed my own opinion and when I have seen someone making shit up or expressing a stupid opinion based on an obvious lack of knowledge about what they are talking about, have I then asked them to provide evidence or actual reason or logic to back up their argument. So unless thats acting like a prick Danny, tehn please explain your actions...
exactly dude....i dont know of any instance by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:18:01 AM
where i specifically pissed you off.
but ok fair enough man...if you re prepared to by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:19:30 AM
be cool with me then I have no fight with you anymore...
southafricanguy -- AMEN. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:26:44 AM
Peace.
but seriously Danny, I was being sarcastic by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:28:52 AM
about Coppola, the mans a legend. You cannot call yourself a film geek if you really believe the things I was saying.
Coppola is da bomb. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:31:53 AM
And I think people have animosity toward him because they feel he is sorta wasting his time with family friendly commercial kiddie shit like Jack. He needs a fucking break like anyone. No one can consistently drop classic after classic. If he put as much into every film after Apocalypse, I think he would have been dead by 85.
i have very broad tastes....I like Cppola and by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:32:54 AM
Scorsece, Kubrick et al for certain types of movies, and depending on my mood. My admiration for Cameron is for his action sci-fi filmaking, a very different thing would nt you say? I just get the impression you are comparing him to those type of Directors, but is nt that really like comparing 2 bands that make completely different genres of music? Like comparing a heavy metal band with a jazz band, just fundementally two different things...
1985....not the age of 85. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:32:56 AM

I see what you're saying.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:35:58 AM
...but there are those around here that honestly think Cameron is the greatest film director of all time. It disturbs me to say the least. He is a studio blockbuster guy that injects a family element into his films and the world sucks his cock. I'm not denying he knows how to shoot action, he absolutely does. And I've said several times I do enjoy some of his films. Its the God-like worship that pisses me off.
well..yeah no director is infallible, everyone by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:36:16 AM
has made some shit...I think Coppola just fell on hard times and had to make stuff like Jack and The Rainmaker (which wasnt that bad imho)
I haven't seen One From The Heart or Youth Without Youth... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:38:51 AM
.....but judging everything else, he has never made a bad film IMO. Of course he has made some forgettable films. But never a bad one.
well thats the funny thing dude, i dont like the by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:40:00 AM
god like worship either, I dont believe anyone can make any supportable claim for any director being the best, and besides art is so subjective anyway. But at the same time dude dont confuse the difference between those that think he's the best and those that for them he is their favourite director (this is especially true of sci-fi and action fans), and theres nothing wrong with that, we all have our favourites...
Thats true. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 12:43:01 AM
I'm out. Talk to you later.
ok dude....have a good one. Later... by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 12:48:10 AM

So Jazz in Transformers 2 doesn't return. by scriptgirl_nipples	May 5th, 2009 01:04:28 AM
And it's the constructicons that smash through the aircraft carrier, on route to under the sea with Soundwave to rebuild Megatron & Blackout. The Alice character isn't Ravage in human form. But could be another transformer. Soundwave has been scanning vehicles, and when the Decepticons come to earth they fly by him in space and receive their alt mode on the way down.
If talkbackers are such better writers...? by CENOBITE	May 5th, 2009 01:26:57 AM
Why is it they can't come up with words other than: "hack", "shit", "fuck", "cunt" and "Bay"?
Kurtzman and Orci ARE hacks...buuuuut... by Brians Life	May 5th, 2009 01:44:47 AM
okay, why was Empire Strikes Back SO MUCH better than any of the prequels!?! George Lucas has ALOT of help with the screenplay, that's why. In the same vein, Kurtzman and Orci wrote the screenplay for Star Trek, but Lindeloff and Abrams I'm sure tossed in A LOT of what has made it the movie that everyone seems to be enjoying. When they don't have good doctors punching up their scripts, these guys are hack central.
CENOBITE was just told... by CENOBITE	May 5th, 2009 02:03:26 AM
"C'mere. See... when writers have bad creative blocks or frustration they come into talkbacks to vent. This is widely known in certain rent controled areas of Burbank, Silver Springs and WeHo as "aintitcrapping"... or something like that." Oooohhh. I see! It all makes sense now! *goes back to sleep.
Says it all by JumpinJehosaphat	May 5th, 2009 02:23:42 AM
http://www.theonion.com/conten t/video/trekkies_bash_new_star _trek_film
slkboxrman by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 02:39:44 AM
For claiming that The Dark knight is nothing but MI:3 with Batman, you have your movie geek credentials revoked.... for life! Man, talk about being in the wrong! And then some! Do you even like movies?
"FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS" by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 02:42:19 AM
What, is this a remake of All About Eve?
Why... by ErnestBorgNine	May 5th, 2009 02:56:34 AM
are they still parachuting in the 23rd century?
Asimov....hey dude hows it going? Man you by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 03:28:33 AM
must have enjoyed that interview with Orci and Kurtzman becos I know how much you think they suck...
I'm seeing this Thursday 11am UK time by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2009 04:45:42 AM
Will let you all know what I think soon after...
No, you can't check out COUNTDOWN if you're in UK by Mr Gorilla	May 5th, 2009 04:56:47 AM
Because the sodding publisher hasn't released stock yet. From the darkest pits of hell I strike at thee! (Or something.)
KWIS...HEY DUDE...IM GONNA SEE IT by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 05:35:21 AM
this Thursday in Korea. Not sure about the time yet though...
whothefuckcares....yeah its been confirmed by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 05:39:18 AM
there is a pretender that stalks Sam. Actually it looks like Bay has really loaded this film with stuff (aside from shit that is...) there seem to be combiners, insecticons, Frank Welker voiceing Soundwave, Leonard Nimoy may be voicing the Fallen....
McG on Terminator 5 - WTF? by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2009 06:03:07 AM
"I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011," McG reveals. "John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be f*cking awesome. I also think he's going to meet a scientist that's going to look a lot like present-day Robert Patrick [who famously played the T-1000 in Terminator 2], talking about stem-cell research and how we can all live as idealized, younger versions of ourselves."
WTF indeed KWIS....that sounds fkn awful by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 06:10:50 AM
I reallyhope he's just spitballing and that is seriously not what is being considered...
southafricanguy by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2009 06:16:59 AM
Hard to believe...but it is McG we're talking about. I think the fans will destroy him after seeing Salvation anyway, so who know if there will even be a fifth one.
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD meet southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 07:08:27 AM
southafricanguy meet DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 07:16:08 AM
i don't know what to laugh more about that interview: the obvious marketing bulshit from Roberto "Bob" Porci and Alex "Tool" Klutzman; or Mr Beaks completly selling out his ass so he can be so cordial and friendly with the Dynamic Duo Of Hackdoom.
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 07:19:35 AM
And if "Bob" Orci actually made in here to have a chat (aka, hard-selling his movie), then i can say i had the immense pelasure in claling him a hack and devoid of talent, in a public forum, for the whole world to read, including him. That was the shit! Forgiving me for bragging about this, but that was quite professional of me!
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 07:22:09 AM
And i also called him a MEXICAN'T. There are great mexicans like Guilhermo Del Toro and Alfonso Cuaron, and then there's MEXICAN'T like BOB Orci. Fuckin' amateur!
kwisatzhaderach by Harold The Great	May 5th, 2009 07:30:59 AM
I don't know man. That can be a terrible direction for T5, but than again, it's surprising as fuck. Full blown Time War against invading Skynet forces from the future? C'mon, that could be fucking professional.
I was wondering how the hacks who wrote Transformers... by KillDozer	May 5th, 2009 08:48:27 AM
could've written a movie that might actually be good (haven't seen it yet), but then I read the part about Lindelof's involvement and it all made sense. Especially the fact that he's going to be an official writer on the sequel.
AsimovLives by BRIDGETFONDAS_CUNTCHEESE	May 5th, 2009 08:49:32 AM
Alright we get it. the Mexican'ts a hack. But I'm glad i'm not the only one to catch klutzman's overt tooliness. klutzman: Hey bob 'member how we used to watch trek. porci: not really it was just me. Klutzman: yeah sure sure, but 'member the marathons we watched once we got the contract. porci: that's just me again.
BringingSexyBack, Re: Korean actor playing Japanese Sulu by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 09:30:13 AM
I read somewhere that Geroge Takei said Mr. Sulu was intended to represent all Asians on Earth, therefore he has no problem with a Korean actor taking on the role that made him famous.
T1-T2-T3 by Harold The Great	May 5th, 2009 09:39:59 AM
were pretty much the same movie three times. Why is it so bad if McG doesn't want to make Salvation two more times, with a slightly different plot and characters? the more I think about the Time War thing, the more I like it. It takes the original idea of Terminator 1 (temporal warfare with machines) to the next logical level, much like Alien evolved into Aliens.
If that T5 story is true... then T5 will be shit by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 10:03:56 AM
What a terrible, terrible, hackneyed idea.
N'uff said! by upstate14445	May 5th, 2009 10:18:36 AM
http://www.theonion.com/conten t/video/trekkies_bash_new_star _trek_film?utm_source=a-sectio n
D.VADER - THAT'S AWFULLY MAGNANIMOUS OF GEORGE TAKEI by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 11:11:05 AM
Too bad that won't stop Kim Jong ILL from shooting missles over Japan, the little prick.
DGDB AND SOUTHAFRICANGUY ... SITTING IN A TREE ... by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 11:14:05 AM
That was the most homoerotically charged exchange I have ever read in my life, and then some. You two need a room and a case of Cool Whip.
IN DEFENSE OF BOB ORCI by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 11:19:19 AM
I respect the guy for coming here, taking abuse and giving me high fives. Trek looks like fun with above average smarts. I hope the space battles are sustained and mind-blowing. Trek has always lacked that. SW came close with the opening sequence in ROTS, but then lo and behold we get buzz droids instead. WTF. I want some goddamned escapism and as long as Kirk doesn't pee on Spock's legs, I'm happy.
Dom DeLouise died last night? by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 11:26:11 AM
RIP Dom.
Well George Takei is the epitome of "magnanimous" by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 11:29:18 AM
Just listen to his voice!
BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 11:31:51 AM
The last thing that mexican't BOB Orci needs is to be defended by anybody else. I'm sure he's grown up enough to tie his own shoes. He's too welthy and sucessful for any of the plebeans here to serve as his shieldbearer.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 11:34:48 AM
I'm certain that all other asians beside the japanese would take as a deep and crass insult the notion of a japawnese being the representative of all asians, ona ccount on that little thing called WWII. For those guys, what happened during that is as if it's was yesterday. To say the japaneses are hated by the other asians is an understatment. i'm sure George Takei is a fine fellow and a pretty cool guy, but he's also very naive.
Yo, D.vader don't joke about death... by Dr.DirtyD	May 5th, 2009 11:40:03 AM
DeLouise is dead y'all.
Asimov, I'm not saying no one would have problems with it by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 11:45:47 AM
Trust me, I'm fully aware of insulting it is to think a Korean is Japanese or that someone from Vietnam is from China. I'm just saying, George Takei says its not a big deal to have a Korean play the character bc Sulu was never intended to be strictly Japanese. In fact, his bio (for the character) says he was born in San Francisco and is of mixed heritage. Roddenberry picked the name "Sulu" bc he didn't want it to be nationally specific. Sulu represented humans of Asian origin. There is nothing naive about agreeing with that.
I'm certain canon could had been respected by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 11:46:01 AM
I'm certain that it is possible to make a Star Trek story set in the early days of Kirk and Co and be totally respectful to canon. and that you could make a very cool movie out of it. With the proper research and with good enough writers, i'm sure that could be pulled off to the satisfaction of both hardcore fans and the average audiences alike. The changes that i see made by the filmmakers of this new Star Trek movie reeks of hubris. Specially Jay Jay Abrams' hubris. This guy surely believes his own press in how awesome and a genious he is. I'm certain he even writes his own praising press. and it's quite obvious the bespectacled boy wonder believes, with all his black heart, that he can make better stuff then all that old Star Trek stuff. and more importantly, make it into an easy cashcow to be sold for the teens who can't give a fuck about ideas, the resolve of moral kunumdrums without sacrificing our own humanity, and an image of morally superior mankind living in a tomorrow brighter then our present. All that stuff is just for fags, right? Jay Jay knows better. So, Jay Jay and his minions of hackdoom, the mexican't BOB Orci and Alex The Hack Klutzman, instead of going the road where they actually had to work a bit to come up with a story that would make sense in the universe of Star Trek, no, they decided to let their vanity and hubris guide them so they could justify throwing all their own favorite bullshit into a "script" and call it Star Trek. And people are eating all this up line, hook and sinker. As Spock would say, "Fascinating!"
I PREFER TO BELIEVE THAT GEORGE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE FUTURE by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 11:47:48 AM
where the sins of humanity's past were atoned by the formation of the Federation. In Trek, everyone looked upon Earth's destructive past with shame, look what we did to the whales and Republicans.
ASIMOV by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 11:59:00 AM
The way I see it though, is that Trek was effectively dead anyway. The TNG movies were horrible, thanks to the unfathomable control Brent Spiner had over them. So why not hand it to a bunch of guys who could reboot it and give us an eye-popping spectacle? With Nicholas Meyer and Roddenberry, ST was already killed off. Even Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman couldn't rape this anymore than it already has.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:00:33 PM
To be fair, Sulu is not even a japanese word. Sulu is an island in the Philipines. Phonetically it does kinda sound japanese-like, but in fact it was invented for Star Trek, It's the same as Van Helsing, it sounds like it's dutch, but in fact there's no such name in the dutch language. But i think the idea behind the character of Sulu in Star Trek was for him to be japanese. I mean, his first name is Hiraku, and that's a fully japanese name. Listen, i'm all cool with the idea of a japanese in a space shit fuilled with people of different nationalities. And considering that Star Trek was aired only roughtly 20 years after the entrance of thge USA in WWII, to include a former enemy into an american show and portait him in such a positive light, that was progressive and very cool. But i think it's a bit tackless of George Takei, not to mention very naive, to have a japanese to be a figurehead for all of asians. The problem is not so much that a korean is palying a japanese, but to have a japanese to be a representation of all asians. I'm certain that if you tell that to any non-japanese asian, you wouldn't get much of a positive response. Besides, it's not the first time that a korean plays a japanese, the guy who plays Hiro's sidekick, Ando, in Heroes, the actor is a korean-american. Also, in fact, most asians actually like koreans a lot. korean culture is spreading all through asia. Most asians don't have anything wrong to think of the koreans, quite the contrary, they were fellow suferers at the hands of the japanese diring WWII. Being korean is as safe as can be in Asia. And if with all this i migth sound like a bit anti-japanese, nothing could be futher from the truth, in fact, i do have a lot of love and appreciation of the japanese, maybe even because of cultural and historical reason, due to the fact i'm portugues,e and the portuguese were the first europeans (and westerns) to make contact with Japan in the 16th century, and for a long time, he had close relationships, for good or ill. This is one of the reason i can't wait for Scorsese to deliver "Silence". But i a also quite in awe of koreans as well, mostly due to the excelent movies they are making.
I MEANT WITHOUT MEYER AND RODDENBERRY by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 12:02:18 PM
Damn you Rick Berman
BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:05:50 PM
Batman was dead as well, but it took a very talented and respectfull filmmakers to bring it back and make it cool again. Fortunatly, that happened to Batman because they gave the job to the right men. They did not gave the Star Trek job to the right men. There's not even a comparison here. Yes, i'm sure that George Takei was thinking of that wonderful future found in Star Trek (but which i'm sure will be absent in Jay Jay's revisionism), but thing is, this is the world as it is, and he has to be a bit careful with his naivité and enthusiasm. He migth be talkign about a bright future where all asians have kissed and make up, but that's not where we life in, and where Star Trek is being shown. Takei might mean well, but he blundered. It's liek what the old saying goes, "Hell is paved on good intentions". Same thing here, friend. I rather wish things wouldn'tbe like this, but the reality is, instead of subsiding, in fact anti-japanese resentment in asia is growing.
Hikaru was a name concocted in a spinoff novel by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 12:06:02 PM
It was never the character's intended name (though the name did get mentioned in the 4th movie). Sulu was intended to be an Asian character- they just happened to cast a Japanese actor in the role. The Enterprise crew was supposed to be made up of an international crew (including one non-human), and now it sounds like you are faulting the show for casting a Japanese actor in the Asian crew member role. The problem is not that a Korean is playing Sulu, the problem is that YOU are blaming Takei for his comments, as if it was his idea all along. He is simply stating the truth, and you are twisting it into some argument about Takei being naive, as if he's pulling all this out of his ass. This is a non-issue.
FYI by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2009 12:09:29 PM
AsimovLives is Memories-Of-Murder. Knowledg e is power and it's better if you guys know who you are dealing with. Steady on.
The problem lies with you, I suppose, Asimov by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 12:10:00 PM
Because you are the one who seems to fault Takei for being Japanese and for agreeing with Roddenberry that Sulu represented the Asian cultures (without the intention of him being fully Japanese). In fact, during an original series episode where Sulu fences, they changed the sword from a katana to a traditional fencing foil because they didn't want to imply Sulu was Japanese. Give the argument up. Its a non-issue.
well if Damon Lindelof helped. count me in! by zooch	May 5th, 2009 12:11:25 PM

If true, that's too bad Mr.NiceGaius by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 12:12:00 PM
Because I just finally watched "Memories of Murder" last week and enjoyed it immensely. But his talk about Korea becoming well-loved in all of Asia did raise a flag for me.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:12:49 PM
"now it sounds like you are faulting the show for casting a Japanese actor" Actually, i toom great pains to point out that i don't fault nationalities of any given actor. I even pointed our that i'm a bit of a nippophile. Please, read my post again, thank you very much. "the problem is that YOU are blaming Takei for his comments" I blame nobody, i'm jsut pointing out what is an infortunate reality happening in Asia right now. Please, read my post again, thank you very much. "He is simply stating the truth, and you are twisting it into some argument about Takei being naive" And i have already stated how wonderful it would be if th world we live in would be so much like Star Trek, where such animosities had been duried deep down and be as extinct as the Dodo. unfortuinatly, they are not, and Takei0's coments do come acrosss as naive and tackless. Because that's how our world is, regardles sof how we like it or not. Please, read my posts again, thank you very much.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:17:39 PM
Can you help me out of what is all this business with the Gaius guy? that guy has bene having a beef with me ever since i showed up. I'm starting to find the guy anoying and a stalking prick. Unless i'm reading this thing incorrectly. But the man is getting on my nerves. I'm this close to conclude that this Gaius guy is one xenophobic shit, and there's nothing i find more disgusting then a fucking xenophobic.
And Memories Of Murder is one great movie by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:19:22 PM
What does that has anything to do with what's being discussed here i haven't the faintest. It this a particular quick of Mr Gaius, being a xenophobic ass while talkign about great korean movies? Is the guy insane or something?
Asimov, here are the facts by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 12:24:10 PM
Roddenberry wanted an Asian character on the Enterprise. He creates a non-nationality specific character named Sulu. He he to represent humans of Asian descent. Roddenberry casts George Takei, a Japanese actor, as Sulu. In the new movie, JJ Abrams casts John Cho, a Korean in the Sulu role. Takei says Cho's nationality does not matter because SULU represents Asian culture. You, Asimov, come here and say that George Takei is very naive, tactless, and that he blundered by making the (apparently offensive) statement (which is a restatement of Roddenberry's intentions for the character) that Sulu represents Asians on the Enterprise. You're blaming Sulu for regurgitating Roddenberry's original, utopian idea. You're basically saying it became a crap idea to have Sulu represent Asia once they cast a Japanese man in the role. Its ridiculous. I might as well get extremely offended and pissed that they made a Russian and a Scotsmen representative of the Europeans. Or that Uhuru was an African-American instead of a pure African. Give me a break.
AsimovLives by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2009 12:28:32 PM
Oh, stop it. I'm simply pointing out the obvious; no harm done. As for "xenophobic", what the HELL are you talking about?! Do you even know what you're saying? Anyone using the word "xenophobic" after lobbing the slur "Mexican't" around can't possibly know what he's talking about or the hypocrisy for which he stands.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:34:59 PM
I migth not have made my point too clear. I blame myself for that and i'm sorry. I'll try harder. But let me say this: Does Scotty represents all of the british? Does Kirk represent all of the americans? Hell, they even had TWO different americans in the show, Kirk and the southern Bones. But Uhura and Sulu are suposed to repesent all of their.... should i even call it ethnicities=? I rather not go that wa,y because in that path lies a dangerous notion that you can have individual representations of specific countries, but concerning aisn and africans, any vague thing suffices. I rathe rnot think like that, if you understand me. If i understood correctly about Star Trek, Uhura is supposed to be kenyan, and Sulu japanese. They have specific nationalities. But to have them be the whole of Africa or Asia is just... well, it's tackless and naive. Because that's the reality of things in our world. It's better that Sulu plays a japanese and let it be thus, and Uhura be a kenyan and let it be so. And least we forget, there's terribly enemities in both Africa and Asia, and it's a great insult for any other nationalities in both Africa and Asia to have one guy from one specific nation to represent them all. I rather would not go that way, man, i rather wouldn't. Again, if what i'm saying is not udnerstandable to you, or that what i say is misinterpreted, i blame myself, i should had writen it better.
Mr. Nice Gaius by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:41:33 PM
You have been on my ass ever since, for some reason, i pointed out my nationality. Even southafricanguy noticed that and asked me what was your deal. So, yeah, i do have justification to be a bit fucking upset with you ever sinceyou seem to have a big probnlem with my nationality. and you can bet your have i have a problem with that. and for soembody who's very obviously monotoring me her,e you came across as quite DELIBERATLY ignorant concernign my coments about the mexican't BOB Orci. I have already said why i call him that, and my post was quite clear. I'm repeating this because i already post it, but when i call BOB Orci a mexican't, i'm notinsulting the mexicans, i'm insulting him in that he doesn't deserve to be called a mexican. That fucking hack has nothing inn common with the fire and rich culture of the great country of Mexico and it's fine people. BOB Oric is a mexican't because he's not a mexican, and if i was a mexican, i would fucking go Pancho Villa on his ass. I guess you are so fulled of xenophobic bullshit you assume xenophobia where there very obviously is none. Now why don't you go give that rest and go bother somebody else? Really, man, what's your fucking problem? No, don't answer, i don't care.
You're looking too far into it, I think, Asimov by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 12:43:49 PM
Making a character representative of one of Earth's multi-nationalities is NOT suggesting that character's ethnic background is the SUPERIOR one. They are not suggesting that the Japanese are best by having Sulu represent Asia. They are just making their crew multi-ethnic by having a Japanese (Asian) character. I get what you're saying that certain countries have a lot of animosity toward them - I really do. But NO ONE is suggesting the Japanese are the best of all Asians, and that's where I think you're missing the point and getting confused.
It IS okay to have someone represent a continent by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 12:46:46 PM
It is plenty okay to have someone represent the continent of Africa or someone else represent the continent of Asia. Because to imply otherwise, to imply that a person from one country (Kenya or Japan) can NOT represent the continent suggests that the countries are not equal. I'd say its far more dangerous because it suggests that some countries are better than others, that other countries are not fit to be a representative.
AsimovLives by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2009 12:51:54 PM
First of all, calm down. You are making yourself look silly. Second, please point out where I said I had a "big problem" with your nationality. I have said NO such thing. If you can find an example of this "problem", I'll buy you a ticket to TRANSFORMERS 2.
BATMAN RESTORED TO GREATNESS BECAUSE OF BALE by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 12:56:26 PM
Unfortunately he chooses (not that he can't) not to appear in every movie (even Jehovah rested on the 7th Day). If he had been Kirk we'd be united in praising impending professionalism.
KIRK REPRESENTS ALL WHITE PEOPLE by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 12:58:57 PM
Intergalactic playa.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 12:59:48 PM
Let me put this nice and simple here: i respect you. I think you are a smart and inteligent guy. I think you are one of the real deals here. I see in you a brother in Bale. What i think is that we are both basically saying the same thing, or at the very least, we both think the same, believe the same and wish the same, but we are just using different words. It migth just be a simple case of miscomunication. And for that, i blame myself. Not you, just me alone.
BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:00:55 PM
If the Lord Bale decides he will not be in every movie, he has his own reasons which we mere mortals are not to be privvy of. The Bale works in mysterious ways.
Mr. Nice Gaius by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:05:01 PM
You are making me very angry and with reason. The silly here is you, if you can translate that to xenophobic. and you can have that ticker and shove it up in your own place of choice, i rather have chronic diarrhea then to suffer another Transformers atrocity.
GEORGE TAKEI'S A NICE GUY by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 01:05:07 PM
He represents gay people very well, much better than that douche Perez Hilton.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:09:29 PM
A bit of food for though (ad no, i'm not starting soemthing up, it's just a bit of food for thoughs): would you use Charlize Theron as a representation of Africa? Because she's south-african, born and raise there. She is, for all porpsoes, african. She can claim to be african and she is one for real. She's more african then any black american that fancies calling himself "african-american" just because he has skin coloured by a more darkly hue. You know what i'm getting at? This stuff of black = africa and slint eyed = asia is not longer cool in my view.
BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:13:16 PM
I think all the old Star Trek fellas and dames are all nice people, or at least they grew into nice old people. It's a pity there's still some bad blood between some of them. All that stuff should just be dealt with and let it all pass by. Life is just too short.
CHRONIC DIARRHEA IS WHAT YOU GET FOR DENYING BALE by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 01:13:44 PM
Praise Him, or spend eternity in the shitter.
Don't sweat MNG, AsimovLives... by ErnestBorgNine	May 5th, 2009 01:16:01 PM
he fancies himself as some kind of AICN cop and relishes the chance to get people banned. And he's probably just jealous that your name is waaaay cooler than his.
Wow by Lingerdog	May 5th, 2009 01:19:16 PM
Dom Deluise is dead...
BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:23:55 PM
Amen!!! Testify, brother!
ErnestBorgNine by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:25:30 PM
Thanks for the heads up, friend. I'll take that into consideration in the future. You proved to be a true brother in Bale. Professional!
Is there a film where... by Dr.DirtyD	May 5th, 2009 01:26:50 PM
a specific film broadcasts is picked up by an alien culture and it convinces them to visit? I know there are stories where TV in general influence a visit. I"m talking about a single, fictional, film catching the eye's of a visual medium influenced alien culture. It sounds familiar to me and i can't remember if it was just an old sci-fi story i read or...
Dr.DirtyD by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:27:54 PM
It's called Contact.
Or Galaxy Quest, Dr.DirtyD... by ErnestBorgNine	May 5th, 2009 01:29:30 PM

But i woundn't be in too much of a hurry.... by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:29:48 PM
... to revisit that fucking movie, specially if like me, you actually read the book.
Hayden Panettiere as Janice Rand by scriptgirl_nipples	May 5th, 2009 01:30:04 PM
That would be my suggestion.
That meant for Contact by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:30:57 PM
Galaxy Quest was actually pretty cool.
JumpinJehosaphat by Dr.DirtyD	May 5th, 2009 01:34:23 PM
Fucking perfect.
Look...I can't tell what any of these fucks is supposed to be.. by conspiracy	May 5th, 2009 01:41:38 PM
Some white guys, some black chick, and generic asian #1. Stop getting your PC panties in a bunch folks...who gives a fuck if the cracker playing the guy from Iowa was Born in fucking Canada.
Dom Deluise=Fucking Professional by conspiracy	May 5th, 2009 01:43:56 PM

conspiracy by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 01:46:35 PM
Last thing i am is a PC enforcer. I hate that shit. But i also hate xenophobia. Can the two co-exist peacefully?
ErnestBorgNine by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2009 01:55:48 PM
That's pretty funny and inaccurate coming from you = a Talkbacker I've never seen or conversed with before. Do you usually enjoy talking out of turn and out of your ass? Anyway, nice to meet you, ErnestBorgNine. I'm sure the pleasure is all yours.
Should I watch this in digital or celluloid? by _Maltheus_	May 5th, 2009 02:31:19 PM
I understand that digital is better after the movie has been out a week or two, but wouldn't celluloid be better on opening day simply due to the greater resolution? I've never really blown away by digital, so I guess I'm on the fence. What's your guys opinion on digital?
Maltheus by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 02:42:50 PM
Watch it in it's proper format, in spectacular Dumb-O-Vision.
Galaxy Quest would be closer... by Dr.DirtyD	May 5th, 2009 03:35:48 PM
Contact not at all. I"m talking about ONE film that catches the eye, and it's not a science fiction film, or Hitler. I"m thinking it was in an older science fiction story i read a while back. Something from the end of the Golden Age.
I've got high hopes for Trek and for JJ's direction by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 03:39:07 PM
After all, he directed the pilot episode of LOST, which I'd say is a television masterpiece.
Khan by fiester	May 5th, 2009 03:39:38 PM
Khan was great because Maltalban just owned the character so much--but they also owe a great debt to the writers of that film, who took a single episode from TOS and worked with it to make Khan the icon he is today. Which wasn't the case before Wrath. Given that premise, why not go back to the 70 or so odd episodes in TOS and find your own character to expand upon and create a new icon, rather than recycle Khan yet again?
Asimov by D.Vader	May 5th, 2009 03:43:24 PM
I don't have a problem with you; you seem to be intelligent and amiable for the most part, and I think we agree on some aspects of what was discussed today. I don't think there's anything wrong with Takei saying Sulu represented the Asian peoples of Earth, however. But to go along with the example of Theron representing Africans (bc she is one, technically)... well that's a can of worms I'd rather not discuss =). However, I'm pretty sure no one would pick a South African or anyone of Afrikaan descent to represent Africa. Maybe Afrikaa.
Yeah, MNG... by ErnestBorgNine	May 5th, 2009 03:56:55 PM
because it's completely beyond possible that I've only ever used this name, right? And you, being the self-appointed AICN sheriff, are immediately suspicious because you don't recognize me, and since I wrote something about you, your accussation of me being someone you've gotten banned isn't too far off. Or maybe you'll just resort to calling me a "cunt" in a one word response, like you're often wont to do? And I talked out of turn, huh? And you don't see yourself as a self-appointed cop how? Quit being such an insufferable little twist. Or write another crappy parody of an eighties song about pseudo-mythological creatures. Whatever helps, son. Wow, look at that, you got exactly what you wanted, you troll you. I guess you win!
Well, someone sure is bitter... by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2009 04:12:11 PM
...and has been keeping some sort of bizarre and creepy checklist by the looks of things. Uh, explain to me exactly how I'm some sort of "self-appointed cop" and how that dubious distinction holds any sort of "power" or sway on this rinky-dink site. I'd really like to know because it's about as hollow an accusation as I've seen on these boards in quite sometime. Quote: "I guess you win!" If you say so, fella.
No, I conceded, MNG. by ErnestBorgNine	May 5th, 2009 04:24:11 PM
And you answered your own question. Maybe you should reread a little Nietzsche?
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 04:24:24 PM
"he directed the pilot episode of LOST, which I'd say is a television masterpiece" And then he resorted to his usual self. And no, Lost episode is not the TV masterpiece you reckon or soembody it is. The real television masterpiece was every episode of Carnivalé. that was a true masterpiece, and Lost is, at best, a fucking wannabe that's better at conning the viewers of promines it cannot keep, while Carnivalé was the real deal. Of cours,e Carnivalé got canceled, while the Lost bullshit endures. Typical.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 04:29:23 PM
Theron is not an african technically, she IS african. She was born there. She was raise there. She is boer, which means, she belongs to culture of the land that's centuries old and specific to the land and nowhere else. Theron is full and through and through african and nothing else. And that's my point. Blacks born in USA have no true right to claim being africans just because they are blacks. They are americans. they are so removed of their once african origins as to be completly moot. Theron is a true african. That's it. And that's my point about easy identifications that's just tagging for the sake of... laziness, i guess.
D.Vader by AsimovLives	May 5th, 2009 04:35:15 PM
Saorry to be kind of a dick about all this, i'll say this one bit more and then i'll shut up good and we can then have lots of talks about movies, the stuff that really matters here. But concrning Afrikka, as you put it, Afrikka is part of Africa. So it Morrocco, Lybia and Egypt, all those countries we think more of as Arabs and not as when we think of Africa, which is, the tropical Africa with blacks. When we say Africa, we don't think of the arbs and moors who live in the north, or the white who also have ma de home and culture of their own and who rightly can also claim be called africans. This guys don't want to be called anythign else, they don't want to be anything else, and right they are to think like that. There's more to be african then just being black, and being black doesn't give you an automatic african card membership. In fact, the blacks of african find the black americans who fancy themselves afric ans hillarious, and they don't give a shit abotu them. For them black americans are like the white americans, they are foreigners and aliens and nothing else. That's how it is, brother.
WE ARE ALL GAIUS' DEPUTIES by BringingSexyBack	May 5th, 2009 04:43:51 PM
Be vigilant!
BSB by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2009 04:46:41 PM
You just got yourself a shiny new badge!!!
MICHAEL BAY DENIS by COCKNASTY_BUTTSTANK	May 5th, 2009 04:50:23 PM
The fucking script for Transformers made me want to spray rancid shit from a pressure washer directly into my eyes and then drive an icepick straight through my cerebral cortex while smashing my fucking genitals with a flaming canoe paddle. WELL DONE, BOB ORCI.
Howard Stern loves the film... by strosmer	May 5th, 2009 04:51:47 PM
Granted, he's no connoisseur, but he is a Star Trek fan and makes insightful commentary on many sci-fi and comic book movies. He had nothing but praise to heap upon Abrams' Star Trek on today's show. He also credited the writers with doing a phenomenal job of keeping true to the original series. He went so far as to call it one of the greatest sci-fi films ever made. I'm sure a lot of fanboys would differ with this account, and I've had my own doubts about whether Abrams would pull this off, but Stern's discussion of the film, of how everyone in the theater seemed to enjoy it, has me more excited to see it than any other movie this summer. Prepare to be transported this weekend sci-fi and movie geeks!
Hey Asimov...firstly, yes it was damn profess by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 08:31:52 PM
ional of you to insult Orci on an open public forum. His Baleness would indeed be proud. Secondly, as a white South African, and thus a white African, allow me to comment on much of what Asimov has said......he is dead on. Many African countries have sizable white populations, and they 100% consider themselves African, afterall we have been born and raised in Africa for several generations. It would be like me claiming an American of Irish descent is not truly American. Also, yes we do see black Americans as foreigners, and we really hate it when they come to Africa and talk about 'coming home' and 'returning home'. Sorry guys, no offence, but its not your home, and you are not African. You are not African culturally or in your appearance (by this I mean way of dress etc), or in your mindset or outlook on life/the world...
Bringingsexyback....lol dude. Fair enough by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 08:37:34 PM
you got us. I guess that burying the hatchet exchange may have come across as kinda gay. But hey if you can rather to civil to fellow talkbackers while disagreeing with them or having very different tastes to them, then so much the better right? But you made me laugh with that comment lol...
KWIS....I JUST REALLY HOPE MCG IS by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 08:42:37 PM
talking out of his ass, becos I really think that idea is retarded (and i say this fully aware that its my own subjective opinion). Whats the fucking point then? I can see the justification for T4 to finally show the future war and how everything loops back on itself. But that just sounds like making more terminator movies becos its a name brand. They will end up making the terminator universe to convulated, unwieldly and never ending ala star trek, the x-files etc...cmon, for fucks sake...give us a begining, a middle , and an end...
Asimov...i hear ya about the japanese/korean by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 08:46:48 PM
thing. As someone living in Korea (and having lived in Japan and traveled around Asia) and who has a Korean girlfriend, ypu speak the truth dude. Almost all other Asian people hate the Japanese, and everyone is enviousn of the KOreans....and why not? Great economy, good food, good movies, high standard of living (without being insanely expensive like Japan) and damn good looking/sexy women...
Oh...and Danny, to belatedly answer your by southafricanguy	May 5th, 2009 08:55:43 PM
question about getting laid in South Africa. What you have to understand is that that high Aids rate exists almost completely among rural black people (South Africa still has a very large rural population). The reason for this is mostly rooted in traditional African culture which sees the use of condoms, or any contraceptives as unmanly...basically the more children you can father (you are allowed more than one wife in traditional African culture, even though its illegal) the more of a man you are. And the more children you have, the more future workers you have to help you work the land and raise cattle. Also important to remember is that the rural areas of South Africa are still very poor and undeveloped, thus the people are mostly uneducated and thus ignorant about AIDS and contraceptives. However in the cities (which are developed and csmopolitan) its not such a big worry becos people use contraceptives etc...basically urban life in Sa isnt so different as it would be in America Danny....That being said, you do need to be careful and use some simple common sense....if you know what I mean...
Gotcha. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	May 5th, 2009 10:01:51 PM

BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives	May 6th, 2009 01:58:46 AM
Be pure! Be vigilant! Behave!
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 6th, 2009 02:09:05 AM
You live in Korea? Cool! And you have a korean girlfriend? Professional!! Is she your own sassy girl? And speaking of SassY Girl, man, that actress, Jun Ji-hyun, she is beyond gorgeaus! I saw her also in "The Uninvited" (= "4 Inyong shiktak"). Great underrated movie. Darn gorgeaus woman! Not only i'm in a korean movie binge, i'm also discoverign their horror movies which are less known in the west but available on UK and USA DVD releases. Good stuff. There's only a problem for me about koreans, and it's the names. for the life of me i can't memorise a single one. I have always to say "it's the guy/girl from that or that movie".
thank you Asimov...coming from another by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 02:18:10 AM
professional, that is indeed a compliment. Yes my friend tis true, i am lucky enough to live and work in Korea (Asia's best kept secret) Yeah my friend there is no shortage of gorgeous women here, just like you see in their movies. Trust me, my eyes get a regular workout everyday lol. And yes I do have my own sassy girl....dude the women here have a way of changing your mind about marriage, has never interested me, but i am seriously considering marrying my girlfriend.
and yeah their movies are quite good, really by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 02:20:39 AM
the envy of Asia now. Here Korean movies will often even out perform Hollywood blockbusters...they are that popular..And dont worry about pronouncing the names dude, even after several years here and having basically gone native, i still have trouble with them lol..
but also gotta say Asimov...Portugeuse by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 02:25:46 AM
women have definitly got their own thing going on....Have met many damn sexy girls from your neck of the woods....
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 6th, 2009 02:31:58 AM
The portuguese women... well, while the cliche image is indeed predominat, in that portuguese women are black haired brunettes with brown eyes, the truth of the matter is that they are a mixed bunch and came in every fashion. The portuguese are extremely mixed people, on account of the numerous invaders that have cross the peninsula iberica, and the fact that we went sailing all over the world and we had an habit of mixing with every populace we encountered and brough the kids back, if you know what i mean. The napoleonic french invasions also made a tremendous impact on the gene pool on account many french they, well, they pratenized with the ladies her,e if you get my meaning. And after the defeit, many of them didn't even bother to return to France and just stayed here and mixed wit the local population. Actually portugueses came in all kinds. but not just us, actually. Contrary to popular belief, all mediterranean europeans are very mixed.
southafricanguy - korean movies by AsimovLives	May 6th, 2009 02:41:42 AM
I haveto say, i'm at awe of korean cinema right now. I'm yet to see a bad movie from there. Of cours,e i know thaty this is so because the koreans must only export their best stuff. And this is where in fact i admire them the most, in that they actually know which of their movies are the ebst and they thus have a policy of selling the good stuff to help them have a high quality image. They are unlike holylwood, which just sells any which thing and hope it sticks. No, the koreans sell abroad their best stuff. That's fucking genious. It's simple, it's obvious, but it's genious in it's simplicity. And so very effective. And it's paying off, which korea now flying high cinema-wise. About the anit-japanese resentment, if one needs a great example of how much high it still is that a mvoei can still milk it for entertaiment reason, chekc out that scene in The Good THe Bad The Weird where the bounty hunter rides after the japanese cavalry unit and starts shooting them like ducks and kills them by the dozen. i'm sure that scene had made korrans jump in the air and scream "FUCK YEAH!!!". I think it's easy for us in the west to understimate the resentment that exists against the japanese. I'm sure every korean has a grandparent who was killed, enslaved, forcefully conscripted to the japanese army or raped by the japanese before and during WWII. And how the koreans suffered the same as the japanese during WWII while they were not the invasors but also enslaved people who were forced to do join the japanese army and forced do the attrocities they comited, and then get killed with the same impetous the japanese were. It's a little forgotten fact that some of the defenders of Iwo Jima and Saipan were forced korean conscripts. And speaking of korasn, we cojd say the same about the manchurians. So, all this stuff about all asians being equals and they are all a big brotherhood that can be easily represented is all a bunch of idealistic bull. It's hard for us to understand in the west, and i don't even claim i can understand more the surface of the thing, but man, this is serious stuff that's yet a long way to heal.
Asimov....yeah you wont believe the level of by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 06:43:33 AM
hatred that still exists towards the Japanese here in Korea. I still get somewhat shocked at the things Koreans will often say about the Japanese. They will often say that Japan sinking into the sea is their biggest dream, or that they wish more atomic bombs had been dropped on Japan etc...and they are being dead serious when they say these things. And dont ever compare Koreans to Japanese, unless its one where they are much better than Japan...lol
and everything you said about the Koreans by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 06:47:53 AM
feeling towards the Japanese is spot on dude. Asimov you really are a very well informed individual, basically....you are a fkn professional...
Asimov...what are your favourite sci-fi movies? by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 06:49:03 AM
if you are a sci-fi fan that is...
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	May 6th, 2009 07:07:04 AM
Yes, i'm a Sf fan, for my sins. And i say this because of how poorly served we have been of Sf movies lately, where mostly they are just action movies with some exotic dressing and call it Sf just because there's lots of CGI stuff and spaceships or robots. My own favorite SF movies are (in no specific order): THX 1138, Ghost In The Shell, 2001: A Space Oddyssey, Videodrome, Blade Runner, Rollerball (1975), Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Metropolis, The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951), Invasion Of The Body Snatchers (1978), The Matrix, John Carpenter's The Thing, Escape From New York, Planet Of The Apes (1968), The Quiet Earth, Robocop, They Live!... There's some movies like A Boy And His Dog which i have seen a long time ago and don't quite recall to have a definitive opinion of it, if i like it or not. And there's some others like Lifeforce which i love it, even if i am a bit unsire if it's actually a prety good movie or just a guilty pleasure. In fact, all of my friends and everybody i know of who saw the movie thinks the same about it. alos, i have a lot of love and respect for Zardoz, a movie which there's no way to be concensuous about it. As i was writing that list above, i noticed that it took me quite an effort to bring up a decent numbered list. The thign is, of course, there's so darn few proper good Sf movies around, and those that are are either underrated or not well known even for a fan as myself. It's easier to pick up a list of great SF novels then movies, i'm affraid.
fair enough dude....personally im a big trek by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 08:07:21 AM
fan, grew up on it. Love the 60s optimism and sense of exploration, as well as the mixture of action adenture with thoughtful ideas. Also love Alien/Aliens the best one two punch of horror/action/sci-fi mixed together ever made imho (I also personally consider Aliens to be the single best sequal ever made). Love Akira and ghost in the shell (also other anime like patlabor and robotech, i like the mech armour genre). Love the fist 2 terminator movies, imho they use time travel very cleverly, and just have great action. Plus the idea of technology being both the potential source of our destruction or our salvation just really appeals to me.
Also love the original SW trilogy, before Lucas by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 08:10:13 AM
deceided to destroy everything that was cool about it. And i think strange days is a very underrated little cybepunk movie from Bigelow. Im sure there are others but that is whats coming to mind right now...
but i do agree with you...pickings have been by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 08:12:47 AM
pretty slim lately. But thats why im excited about this year, a new trek, District 9, parabelem, and of course the big one, Avatar.
my guilty pleasure is...wait for it...Waterworld! by southafricanguy	May 6th, 2009 08:14:44 AM
yeah i know the multiple reasons its not a good movie, its dumb, simplistic, just a standard adventure movie with sci-fi trappings...all true. But I just love the central concept and the awsome production design.
Star Trek mission by spud mcspud	May 6th, 2009 12:37:22 PM
Space. The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five year mission: to seek out new life and new civilisations. To boldly go where no man has gone before. I'm paraphrasing, but I think that was pretty much the mission statement. Cue credits and cool wailing 60s theme tune.
All of this wretched hatred for this movie needs to stop. by Nicodemus07	May 6th, 2009 02:03:19 PM
What do you think that you'll accomplish by deriding these people you don't know because they had a hand in making a film based on Star Trek that gasp WASN'T face meltingly brilliant? I can't help but think that you folks won't be happy with ANY adaptation of a genre work until someone makes a movie that cures cancer, stops wars, unites the nations and makes the lion fall in love with the lamb. Here's a thought: If you don't like the mere idea of this movie, don't watch it, don't think about it and certainly don't post in talkbacks about it. about it on this website unless you want to have a CIVIL dialogue about it. But speaking your mind is just so important, isn't it?
Saw it — by blakindigo	May 6th, 2009 03:19:36 PM
— and all I can say The movie deserves all the praise it gets. Well done. Uhura is absolutely stunning.
Nicodemus07 by AsimovLives	May 6th, 2009 04:34:33 PM
And be replaced by mindless dick sucking? I'd rather have the hatred, thank you very much.
Asimov Lives by Nicodemus07	May 6th, 2009 08:37:20 PM
To be replaced by civil discussion of a film that regardless of what your opinion is, other people have a right to actually like. And hopefully less homophobic insinuations that everyone that likes this movie (and presumably disagrees with YOU) is gay.
Antonio Banderas for Khan! by DiamondJoe	May 7th, 2009 03:44:44 AM
You fucking know it makes sense!
Hmmm, let's call him Nero by kabong	May 8th, 2009 09:48:29 AM
and copy bits of Khan and Shinzon. Okay, what do we copy next?
Green Girl Secrets by unclebusu	May 8th, 2009 10:04:59 AM
I think these two Xena vets did a good job http://drivein77.typepad.com/d rivein77/
Question about the prequel book 'Countdown' by Arteska	May 8th, 2009 03:52:18 PM
Read it before seeing the movie (HIGHLY recommended and NOT a rip off like so much of this kind of thing has been in the past) but was wondering if any of it was filmed? I know some of the ground was covered in the mindmeld sequence in the movie but I'm curious if it exists in a form that could or would be added to a longer cut on BluRay or whatever?
Bardem has been mentioned for Khan here before by Arteska	May 8th, 2009 03:55:06 PM
and I thought that was kind of brilliant...but he was also tossed out as Conan elsewhere here today so maybe people just say his name for everything now...
o yea by jack burton jr.	May 10th, 2009 11:40:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =RmzV6Ic0sIg
this movie was the boss! ( check this out) by jack burton jr.	May 10th, 2009 11:41:02 PM
http://tinyurl.com/qplxdb
They are hacks-look at their track record by Kelg	May 11th, 2009 01:06:34 PM
Legend of Zorro Ok so Zorro's daughter was a chip off the old block in the first movie-then she becomes a completely different and dull character in the sequel. Did Orci and Kurtzman watch the first movie? The Island-yeah Mission Impossible 3-exciting but completely stupid after a couple of viewings. Transformers--perhaps the stupidest genre screenplay ever written. The bit with the grandfather glasses having a map is something you would see in a 1950s movie that has no budget for visual effects. These writers are retards. The "let's hide the weapon the big robots want in a populated city" bit. A good writer would have tried to make it practical--they didnt bother. And the idea that they will ever write something as good as City on the Edge of Forever...this was meant as a joke right? These guys are hacks. They seem more interested in going up to executive producing than improving their writing ability. David Chase they are not.

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