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Hercules Has Seen
The Third-Season
Finale Of HEROES!!

ugh by zerogundamx	Apr 27th, 2009 04:40:55 AM
At least Peter and Sylar get in some fisticuffs right? right?
and...no one cares anymore by BMacSmith	Apr 27th, 2009 04:46:06 AM

Prediction: Nathan is killed off -- Sylar takes over for Nathan, by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 27th, 2009 04:58:03 AM
Sylar taking over for Nathan has been telegraphed not only all this season but this was suggested in the first season. So I would be very surprised if Nathan is NOT killed off. The only possible twist I wonder is if Sylar will be the one who kills Nathan, or if the deed will be done by someone else. (Matt?) I could see Matt killing Nathan, and then Sylar taking advantage of the opportunity.
Long live BluRay by deanbarry	Apr 27th, 2009 04:58:29 AM
Cause i've given up watching this show free to air...
Ugh. by SkidMarkedUndies	Apr 27th, 2009 05:09:32 AM
At least 24 is still going.
I actually liked the finale from Vol. 3 by Kevin Holsinger	Apr 27th, 2009 05:53:01 AM
A little more artsy than realistic, but then I liked the volume in general.
Remember when Herc stopped watching this show? by Monkey Butler	Apr 27th, 2009 06:19:06 AM
And now watches it but continually bitches about its lack of quality? Yeah, good one Herc.
bring on Smallville season 9 by BatPsycho	Apr 27th, 2009 06:21:53 AM
ill keep watching that before this show anymore. its just lost its talent. would be a miracle to get it going again
Eh? by freekydeeky	Apr 27th, 2009 06:26:42 AM
Haven't seen it yet. But how can Sylar and Nathan face off. Nathan can fly, Sylar is invincible and even pulled a knife out of the back of his head last week [his one weakness..]. Bring on Chuck finale.
Legend of the Seeker by teethgnasher	Apr 27th, 2009 06:40:20 AM
C'mon. Give it some lovin.
That wraps it up for me by Donkey_Lasher	Apr 27th, 2009 07:11:25 AM
I've avoided this last run, and was starting to regain a little interest after reading comments on here but if they are giving the fans another poor finale, then I am not bothering.
And yet... by gls350	Apr 27th, 2009 07:23:41 AM
while Chuck is a more entertaining show, this is assured a 4th season while Chuck sits on the brink. What a TV world we live in /facepalm
It seems so long ago that I watched this show by superfleish76	Apr 27th, 2009 07:43:48 AM
I just feel absolutely no connection to it, yet I "watched" through the first few episodes of this season. I think I stopped paying attention by the second or third episode last season. It's a shame too, 'cause I really enjoyed it for a time in season 1.
I am actually embrassed that I have stuck with it this long by Mr Walter	Apr 27th, 2009 07:44:44 AM
That's probaly what most of the cast were saying this year. Something we have in common.
I predict that... by StatelyWayneManor	Apr 27th, 2009 07:50:17 AM
I'll be watching wrestling. Save us, Bryan Fuller. You're are only hope. Nathan, Peter or HRG takes a dirt nap.
Herc watches this but not Chuck? by Silver Shamrock	Apr 27th, 2009 07:54:29 AM
Priorities, man. Priorities.
This show is barely torrent worthy by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 08:07:22 AM
The writers stopped giving a fuck a long time ago, and so did I. I still end up watching the episodes eventually though. So sad that they made another shitty season finale.
"Alejandro, Nooo!!! by StatelyWayneManor	Apr 27th, 2009 08:12:43 AM
That is when I stopped watching...oh, and when Claire stopped wearing her cheerleader outfit.
shame! shame!!! by altoandando	Apr 27th, 2009 08:25:03 AM
anyone involved with this show should be thrown in jail.
ONLY way to save Heroes by altoandando	Apr 27th, 2009 08:36:12 AM
kill off every single character, change the name and premise of the show and hire Bea Arthur to write it from now on.
BETTER THAN LOST by A G	Apr 27th, 2009 08:49:13 AM
BOYS 2
So what major character is dying? by NinjaRap	Apr 27th, 2009 08:52:25 AM
Do we have spoilers on that anywhere?
Why Sylar's clothes change when he shapeshifts by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 09:07:11 AM
Because it's too difficult for the writers to incorporate the change of clothes into the story, and the plot at this point requires it. Oh, and the rest of us are maniacally laughing at anyone who continues to place Lost and Heroes in remotely the same league. Please hop on Hiro's dick and go back to 2006.
"We've listened to our viewers" by V'Shael	Apr 27th, 2009 09:07:22 AM
Anyone remember when that prick Kring was all about saying they were changing the show? That they'd listened to the criticisms? What a knob-jockey.
its their own fault by MurderMostFowl	Apr 27th, 2009 09:10:56 AM
They've run out of things for their characters to do and they didn't groom any replacements. They tried to force feed us a few a couple of season, "mia and miguel" or whatever , but they didn't just let these people move in and out of stories when there were interesting and/or important. It's about time Nathan died if that's true... he was soooo soooo boring.
I wasn't kidding with the explanation about Sylar's clothes... by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 09:17:05 AM
I read that in the commentary for last week's episode, In the commentary for the episode, the writers stated that they allowed Sylar to shapeshift clothes to make things easier. I have not confirmed this for myself, the source is a thread about the clothes changing on the 9thwonders message board.
The real reason they're wanting to can Chuck by Dotren	Apr 27th, 2009 09:17:05 AM
It's making this show look bad in comparison. I like Heroes and all but Chuck has been consistently better.
The problem with Heroes by Cobb05	Apr 27th, 2009 09:19:38 AM
I was a big fan of Heroes when it started, like everyone. And the reason people liked it so much was cause we though it was going to start with these characters gaining their powers and as seasons pass, become superheroes. Kinda like seeing the X-men or Justice League. But the show just recycles itself every season. Someone dies and someone else gets that ability. I mean how many people have painted the future so far? Also people die and come back way too often. Also what really pisses me off about Heroes is that each season starts off with a big idea: New York being blown up, a virus that could wipe out the world, anyone with a power being hunted down. But as the season develops, it gets watered down and ultimately gives us a weak finale. I mean this season starts off with the Heroes being hunted down and will end with them trying to stop Sylar from shaking the president's hand? The only way the show can survive is if they really step up. People with powers need to be outed. I mean come on, how long do they think can can really keep people like that a secret. People have camera all the time and it would be on the news or youtube by now. So out the Heroes, make them an actual team, have some new villains. Any time there's a new villain, he gets killed off. I mean what a waste investing so much time with Adam, only to have him killed so easily. Have some villains. Obviously, you can't do so much with a limited budget, but you need to deliver better finales. I have read that Tim Kring isn't a fan of superheroes and doesn't want to tell superhero stories. But you have a show about superheroes. I mean you can still make the show character driven. I mean that's what comic books are, they are about the development and the study of a character. Until they get more creative (stop copying things like The Fly) the show might as well end. I mean Suresh and Nathan have flip flopped side so many times. Sylar has every power known to man and isn't taking over the world? They just need to write the show better. Get some comic book writers on there. I have always laughed when people would say that Heroes was better than Lost. This was when Lost had that one season were people bitched about it dragging. Lost is a far superior show. The writing of Lost puts Heroes to shame.
Make the Heroes powers an alien experiment by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 09:23:16 AM
Make it so that aliens laid the blueprint for super powers in our DNA years ago (maybe make it so that they need this so they can breed with us) and are coming back next season to reap their crop. The eclipses that have had weird effects over the years are artificial and brought about by the aliens (and why they don't really coincide with the times that real eclipses are supposed to occur, and why they last for so f'ing long and aren't in locations where they are supposed to be). Call this volume "Dark Harvest", like that one Invader Zim episode... and have super powered people fighting and fucking aliens for the whole season.
The only way this show can be saved.. by Dotren	Apr 27th, 2009 09:25:57 AM
Fuller needs to take over and tell the audience that each season has been from it's own alternate universe. Thats pretty much the only way to explain all of these inconsistencies. Next season should have him in charge and they just pick up where Season One left off.
I mean, if you're gonna make it shit by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 09:25:58 AM
At least make it campy shit.
OMG THIS SHOW SUCKS NOW!!1!1!!111 by LouisCedar	Apr 27th, 2009 09:31:11 AM
So, just to review for the slow kids, a recap of all of the usual heroes complaints seem to be present: OMG HEROES SUCKS NOW!!1 OMG LOST IS BETTERR!! OMG I QUIT THIS SHOW (NOT REALLY THO K?)!!!1 OMG TIM KRING IS TEH FAIL1!! Seriously, for a show that you guys seem to hate so much, you seem to be watching it an awful lot. Hey here's an idea, if you really hate this show and want Chuck to keep going, howsabout you ACTUALLY stop watching it, and ONLY watch Chuck? Oh wait, I forgot, then you wouldn't get your weekly bitching quota filled and you'd be forced to remember how crappy your lives actually are. Oh and Herc, hows "not" watching heroes going? Though just for the record: I've enjoyed Smallville more than I've enjoyed heroes this season.
BUT just for the record: by LouisCedar	Apr 27th, 2009 09:33:22 AM
While I do regularly enjoy Heroes quite a bit: The shape shifting clothes thing is incredibly lazy writing, and I have actually enjoyed Smallville a bit more than Heroes this season.
Heroes and Smallville by lumberjaw	Apr 27th, 2009 09:45:57 AM
are both really dumb. Interesting subject matter maybe, but both are shows for children.
You're a shapeshifter!? by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 09:54:49 AM
Micah is exasperated and seems surprised to see Sylar shape shifting between himself and his mother, when in a previous scene Micah had just watched Sylar impersonate him to fool the bad guys, allowing him to get away. WHAT!?
Heroes will get a 4th season... by beardo	Apr 27th, 2009 10:15:19 AM
and Terminator:Sarah Connor Chronicles, which morphed from major-suck to over the season, is gonna get canned. This season of Heroes was bar none the WORST piece of shit I've ever seen on TV, and I watched Full House and Family Matters as a kid. My mind bends at the thought that a single person voluntarily watches it that isn't related to a cast or crew member.
by beardo	Apr 27th, 2009 10:15:58 AM
I meant to say "major-win" above after "major-suck."
lumberjaw: You're confusing "shows for children" with family sh by SpyGuy	Apr 27th, 2009 10:27:23 AM
Not every show is strictly for so-called adults, my man. Some people enjoy having family shows they can watch with their kids. Crazy, I know...
I'll give it three or four episodes next season... by Pdorwick	Apr 27th, 2009 10:32:59 AM
...and then I'm out. What a crushing disappointment the last two seasons have been. I actually enjoy "Lost" more than this show now and - for me - that's not good.
Turketron by I am the most horrible	Apr 27th, 2009 10:39:42 AM
I thought the same thing. I assumed that scene was added later r added out of sequence. It's par for the course really. Much of what this show cranks out doesn't jive with the rest of what's cranked. Continuity should be a high priority in a comics inspired show. And re: shapeshifting clothes...LAME. specially once they've established that the previous shifter had a closet fuill of clothes for each i.d. Someone might suggest that Sylar's TK ability might do the clothes, like Jean Grey could do, but I say that was the friggin PHOENIX. Sylar is no Phoenix. Furhtermore, even in Harry Potter they had to wear their dupes' clothes and fake their voices to make the polyjuice potion effect complete. Nerd alert.
Remember when Harry wouldn't shut up about HEROES? by LoneGun	Apr 27th, 2009 10:40:32 AM
The guy went positively gaga over this show, all the while ridiculing BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. He doesn't talk much about HEROES anymore. Though he has quietly admitted that he was wrong about BSG...
Who's still watching this shit? by blackmantis	Apr 27th, 2009 11:00:07 AM
Cause I sure ain't.
why is this show being talked about? by coffeeandpie	Apr 27th, 2009 11:07:54 AM
i never liked this show. ever. so many plot holes. every episode has a contradiction in it. what a waste.
So glad I stopped watching this garbage ... by Epsilon	Apr 27th, 2009 11:09:00 AM
... early in the Villains arc. It's a shame, the S3 promos made me believe they'd really gotten their shit together after S2. I couldn't have been more wrong. For the love of all that is good, don't tune in. Just let Heroes die with what little (if any?) dignity it has left.
Also, I do hope Nathan is the one who dies ... by Epsilon	Apr 27th, 2009 11:10:13 AM
Three season finales in a row? That would be proof that Kring has just given up and started collecting a paycheck. That's just be self-parody territory.
"the third disappointing season finale..." by digitalcos	Apr 27th, 2009 11:15:51 AM
"...Better luck next season. I hope it’s not its last." Why?! I'm serious. Why does everyone cut this show so much slack? I mean, even the show's biggest fans admit that the good episodes can be counted on one hand, and that's without the use of a thumb. There is virtually no one on the internets singing this show's praises, yet every review ends with a "I hope it gets better" statement. So, again I ask: Why? Is it loyalty to the genre? Is it simply that there's a show with superpowered characters on a big three network, and to abandon it would be disloyal?
POWERS by I am the most horrible	Apr 27th, 2009 11:20:35 AM
This show is so married to their uberlame plot arcs, all of which are uberobviously ripped off, they never dwell on how cool it would be to have powers. A good writer could do a whole episode on how awesome it'd be to fly, or be invisible. Anybody remember the issue of X-men when they were headed back from Japan on the Blackbird and Rogue said "Nah, I'll fly myself." Then she flew. It was a favorite issue of mine because it was different in pace and focus...it was soft focus. She saw the Shield helicarrier and threw a quarter in the window. Everybody seems to hate their powers except for Sylar, as if to enjoy their abilities = evil. Imagine the narrative you could weave with an invisible character going where they're not supposed to or seeing what they shouldn't. Lazy emmer effers.
Barely by I am the most horrible	Apr 27th, 2009 11:41:43 AM
Was that enough for you? not me.
Claire's character based on Josh Swaney! by ProziumJunkie	Apr 27th, 2009 11:42:26 AM
He doesn't need blood to bring people back to life he just fists them!
Nothing could be as bad as... by Big_Dumb_Bunny	Apr 27th, 2009 11:45:26 AM
That Irish dude holding the box of Peter's secrets over the fire... Remember that this was when Peter was all powerful, yet for some reason he let himself get blackmailed because they guy might drop his box in the fireplace. RETARDED. I'm gonna watch this episode but then that's it. Adios Heroes.
Still coasting off Season 1 by Doggus47	Apr 27th, 2009 11:48:22 AM
Season 1 was so fun to watch. As they built up the quests and slowly revealed the secrets, it kept me waiting for the next episode more than any show had done in years. I don't think they can replicate that.
The writers of HEROES should watch 24. by LoneGun	Apr 27th, 2009 11:50:10 AM
THAT'S great television. And THAT'S how you bring a good show back to life.
Yes, the clothes thing is simply lazy by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 11:54:23 AM
Writers apparently even admitted it in commentary. I don't give a shit how it's done on a cartoon... this show is supposed to have its own internal logic and rules. I wouldn't care if they had said from the beginning that changing the clothes is part of the shapeshifter's ability... they took a lot of care to show that the clothes remain the same in the previous two episodes (and even in one of their Behind the Eclipse Q&A's I believe they mentioned they wanted it to be one of the qualities that differentiated it from the illusion power from season 1), then out of nowhere sylar's clothes are changing along with his body. No. Explanation. At. All. Hell, I probably would have been cool with Danko commenting on it to Sylar and Sylar saying that he used shapeshifting + something else and that's how he makes his clothes morph. It's just one more example of sloppy, lazy, bullshit writing on this show but at this point I laugh it off along with the rest of the trainwreck shit we get fed week after week. I think the only episode I watched that I truly enjoyed from this volume was "Cold Snap".
Another black president on a TV show? by Leafar the Lost	Apr 27th, 2009 12:00:50 PM
Really, it was a new concept when "24" featured a black man as president. Then it happened in real life, and now it has a "been there, done that" quality to it. That is how I feel about "Heroes" right now. Cancelling the show would be a mercy killing at this point. Zachary Quinto is praying that the show will be cancelled. Now that he will soar to super stardom as Spock, the role of Sylar must seem like a let down. Does he have a contract to do "Heroes" for a certain amount of years? Can he buy his way out of it? This may seem like a dumb idea, but why not put "Heroes" on hold, and create a "Villains" series? I don't mean like the gimmick they used before, but really make a spinoff series with a new writer and producer. Me and Tim Kring are done professionally.
This show has been sucking pretty hard by SylarTheCylon	Apr 27th, 2009 12:04:53 PM
lately. But before i vent about that, I just have to say that I'm a bit bewildered by the hate against latino characters on the talkbacks. Between the "Telemundo Twins" on heroes and "Anal Lucia" on Lost, there seems to be very little love for us on here. What gives? Am i visiting the wrong part of the internet, is that it? Anyway, back to the topic at hand, yes, heroes has become such a disappointment, i still download the episodes hoping some radical change will fuel my interest in this series again. But no, every week the plot just staggers along, confused, while characters change from good to evil and back again. What is the point of it all? I bet there are many good writers on this TB who could come up with a much better plot.
Hire Swaney by MrBum	Apr 27th, 2009 12:06:41 PM
He could save this show.
Really Herc? by Himbo	Apr 27th, 2009 12:15:12 PM
You've suffered through this turd to the end of the season and you've not even looked at Chuck season 2? For shame.
"For Shame" had a short life on the TB's by ProziumJunkie	Apr 27th, 2009 12:22:29 PM
then Josh Swaney came along and now everything is "FOR SWANE" as it should be.
teethgnasher by Omar B	Apr 27th, 2009 12:27:02 PM
I'm a huge Terry Goodkind fan and even I can't watch that Legend Of The Seeker crap, talk about ruining a great story! As for Heros, I stopped watching half way thru the second season. My Mondays are Chuck, 24, CSI Miami, in that order.
re: turketron - micah's surprise by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 12:28:21 PM
I took Micah's surprise that Sylar was a shapeshifter fine. If you think about it Micah could have assumed that Sylar was using the illusion power that Candace had (and Micah has been victim of before) to make people think Sylar was Micah. We never saw Micah witness the shapeshifting. The surprise comes from Micah thinking it was one power but now realizing it's something different. I didn't think it was a lack of continuity at all.
There's no hate for latino characters... just shitty characters by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 12:28:37 PM
I, for one liked Ana Lucia... and Michelle Rodriguez will always make my mouth water. The brother and sister that were introduced in Heroes S2 just plain sucked... much like Nikki and Paulo in Lost season 3 (though they got a great sendoff episode) and Hurley is a latino character that we all love to love.
Kring's Heart Was Never In It by The Funketeer	Apr 27th, 2009 12:31:08 PM
Or at least his head wasn't. I've grown tired of all the excuses for why this show hasn't been good. It seems they've pointed the finger everywhere but at Kring who at this point is the lone constant as far as I can tell. Not sure why I've been sticking with this show but I have a feeling after tonight I'm done. Too much good stuff on TV more deserving of my attention.
micah's surprise by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 12:31:21 PM
Ok, I can maybe buy that as an excuse for his surprise. It still felt sloppy with the way they presented it.
Don't tune in... by ImperialMarchFace	Apr 27th, 2009 12:32:54 PM
...don't record it, don't download it, don't watch it online, and just let this show die. I have a feeling that people complain like crazy about it, but still end up watching it somehow. I'm onto strictly reading recaps if I want, because this show has always sucked. We thought they had their shit together at the beginning, AND THEY DIDN'T. They still don't. I hope it gets canned.
There will be no peace as long as Kring lives! by SpyGuy	Apr 27th, 2009 12:43:34 PM
Is it THAT hard to dump his sorry ass as showrunner? Maybe they're waiting for the season finale to air before announcing a replacement (hopefully Bryan Fuller), but this is a fucking no-brainer after Seasons 2 & 3.
i didnt watch last weeks epsiode by Mr_X	Apr 27th, 2009 12:47:52 PM
utorrent didnt do its thin. BUt to be honest i didnt care.we beeged the wrtiers. make ti better. hire soe comic book writers. wtach how the 4400 went from an amazing minis eries to a pile of crap. dont fuck up. have a continiuity expert. ah ferget about it. its done.
Ultimate Heroes by ooggbboo	Apr 27th, 2009 01:06:28 PM
Just like any underperforming comic with a good concept but horrible, Chuck Austen-esque, good-will-squandering execution, they need to cancel and relaunch this show. Same world, different writers, and a different, vastly more interesting cast with characters who would be in the 80th percentile on the Idiocracy intelligence exam.
Problem with Fuller as Showruner... by StarWarsRedux	Apr 27th, 2009 01:21:56 PM
What if NBC greenlights a new show of his, and he wants to concentrate on that instead of "Heroes"? I hope for the sake of the series that Fuller doesn't bother coming up with another "Wonderfalls"/"Pushing Daisies" that nobody except for critics and talkbackers will watch. Take a good look at "Heroes", Fuller. It's a hit, and if Kring keeps sucking, sooner or later it'll be yours. All yours. At least, one can hope.
they probably decided the clothes should change by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 01:55:23 PM
the minute they saw the scene where Sylar shapeshifts into bennet's wife a few eps back. he was supposed to be calculated and menacing.....but i saw him wearing a woman's jacket and pants and stuff and it made me laugh.
oops by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 01:56:01 PM
meant to say "shapeshifts from bennet's wife back to normal"
oh, sorry Evil by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 01:57:44 PM
I thought you were saying that since they allowed Toon Emma Frost's clothes to go diamond along with the rest of her, that it was excusable for Heroes. I agree, just sloppyness in both situations. I'm pretty sure she does the same thing in the Wolverine movie too, from what I've seen in the previews... but lets not discuss that abomination. What does she do in the comic? Does her body become diamond while her clothes remain normal?
haha, yeah, Sylar wearing Bennett's wife's clothes by turketron	Apr 27th, 2009 02:00:06 PM
I also laughed at that scene, but I thought it was cool that they showed it. When they first found the shapeshifter at that club, I thought it was going to turn out that he was galavanting as one of the chicks... but then I remembered I was watching Heroes and not Nip/Tuck...
So, now they're ripping off LOST? by LoneGun	Apr 27th, 2009 02:13:22 PM
All of a sudden Hiro's time-stopping and time-traveling is causing him threatening headaches? Gee, I wonder where they got that one from?
The damning quote from the Boston Herald review is... by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 02:16:42 PM
"When two of our power players finally catch up to Sylar, there’s an epic battle. Viewers won’t see a second of it. It takes place behind closed doors. "Give series creator and writer Tim Kring credit. That's one way to save money on CGI effects." Sorry, guys... :(
I'm done. by HoboCode	Apr 27th, 2009 02:17:28 PM
I admit I ribebrnecked the last two seaosns out of sheer boredom, but I'm done. tonight will be my last Heoes episdoe, regardless of whether it returns. It's stupefyingly bland and illogical at every turn, the charcaters are unlikable, the actors are atrocious, and the writing (Fuller excluded) is a fucking joke.
Pennsy by HoboCode	Apr 27th, 2009 02:19:11 PM
Sounds familiar. As in the exact smae thing they did with S1's penultimate episdoe where Sylar and Peter had a battle behind closed doors. Wha tan emabarassment this show has been. This has set back the genre many years over. Thanks Kring. Fucking hack.
Angela Petrelli: "Hurry up & make my dream come true!" by LoneGun	Apr 27th, 2009 02:19:59 PM
If her "dreams don't lie", why does she seem so frantic in that clip with Matt Parkman?
Turketron, Micah was shocked by the crazy by 300 monkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 02:24:37 PM
not by the shape-shifting ... I suspect that it was disturbing to watch the guy using his power for crazy-time conversations with his dead Momma
RE: lonegun by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 02:24:51 PM
How are they ripping off of Lost? This show has shown headache-like problems when dealing with suppression of powers. Look at Matt Parkman early on. I looked at it like Building 26 must have some power-suppressing thing similar to the Hatian or the specialized cells at Primatech. Of course, if I'm wrong and it just has to do with Hiro not being able to use his powers so much (something many fans asked for) then oh well. Lost isn't the first show in the world.....everything is ripping off something older.
HoboCode by LoneGun	Apr 27th, 2009 02:27:24 PM
I'd say that the actors are pretty good on this program. It's just that they don't have good material to work with anymore. There's only so much they can do with the poor writing. It's painful to watch these talented performers have to embarrass themselves with such dreadful dialogue week after week. They can't possibly know who their own characters are anymore.
Pennsy... seriously!? by turketron_2	Apr 27th, 2009 02:35:16 PM
Another fight with Sylar "behind closed doors"? WHAT. Ugh. It was mildly cool the first time they did it, because we thought they were saving it for the first season finale (instead we got Peter PUNCHING Sylar). This is too much.
President WORF? by MrD	Apr 27th, 2009 02:37:33 PM

Hope they kill Micah...... by Yoda's Ball Sack	Apr 27th, 2009 02:38:05 PM
Whats up with little black kids being so god damned annoying these days? Need proof, watch The Day the Earth Stood Still remake.
Can we get a science advisor on this show? by MrD	Apr 27th, 2009 02:38:53 PM
Meiosis, fertilization, mutation and genetic recombination are the reason 7 billion people are unique. Any aspiring biologist could tell you that. Where did Mohinder get his degree?
itrainmonkeys - rip offs by LoneGun	Apr 27th, 2009 02:40:12 PM
I agree with you. "Lost isn't the first show in the world". And all artists do, in fact, steal from others. I guess, it's just that LOST just spent a season exploring the dynamics of time-travel in so much more careful and credible a way than HEROES has. LOST time-travel came with severe risks - the nosebleeds and dizziness being the first signs. Now, out of the blue, Hiro on HEROES is getting nosebleeds and dizziness. Just seems a little fishy is all. Anyway, hopefully the detail in question will work as an improvement to HEROES.
Turketron 2, it's down near the end of page 1 of by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 02:40:59 PM
the BH's review. I didn't mind Peter v. Sylar behind closed doors in 5 Years Gone, because that was perfect how it went down. It was a tease for bigger and better things. But it symbolized Heroes for the past season and a half; promise, done in by crap writing, decisions to not have people come back, getting rid of almost the entire season 2 roster of new talent, save for, of course, MAYA. grrrrr.
Honestly, how is Heroes still getting a TB by thefreeman	Apr 27th, 2009 02:41:52 PM
and not Breaking Bad?
fights we don't see by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 02:42:18 PM
is it strictly a budget concern? I've been waiting for an all out battle between two powered people......but it seems like all we ever get are glimpses. the sylar/peter stuff coulda been great....some of their "teases" left me wanting to see more.....but i'm waiting for a big battle. If the problem with showing a big fight is the budget......why not cut down on everything else for an episode. I'd rather see an episode with 30 minutes of non-CG character development followed by an all-out 15 minute brawl between Sylar and multiple other people with abilities. Everyone using what they have at once and people getting hurt and things like that. Lightning shooting, explosions, TK throwing........i'm no action-nut but sometimes I'd like to see what these powers can do.
And another word I want you all to remember...Sylaire by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 02:43:10 PM
You'll know why I said that soon enough later on tonight.
Heroes season finale: Can you hear the fizzle? by wcme	Apr 27th, 2009 02:46:21 PM
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.co m/entertainment/zontv/2009/04/ heroes_season_finale.html
lonegun - good points by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 02:46:35 PM
you see......I was just basing my response off of your comments and assumed that you were just saying headaches from time travel were ripping off lost. sadly.....(i'm ashamed to admit).....I haven't caught on with Lost yet. I started to get interested the last year or two and really wanted to get into it but DVD's have been costly, torrents take up too much time/space, and I don't like watching quality television shows on crappy quality streaming video from foreign sites. Therefore, I had no real idea about the time travel that goes on in Lost. I've wanted to catch up badly but I guess i'm waiting for a huge sale on the DVDs. Reading your response makes your initial comment stronger.....I didn't know but now I see where you're coming from. It's not just a case of "Lost .vs. Heroes" but rather something Lost did right and Heroes seems to be doing wrong. Hopefully there's an explanation about Hiro's affliction. We'll see.
WOAH there thefreeman, settle your ass down! by turketron_2	Apr 27th, 2009 02:56:52 PM
And the rest of you mentioning other shows in here... apparently it can get you banned... hence the "2" after my name!
Whatever happened to the exploding DC plotline? by turketron_2	Apr 27th, 2009 03:00:42 PM
Didn't Parkman paint some future that had shit blowing up earlier in the Fugitives volume? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they stopped having him paint the future, just can't remember if they ever addressed this again (I know there was the episodes where they drugged him and put explosives on him, but that was about it...)
turketron_2 - exploding DC by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 03:07:31 PM
Didn't Isaac also paint things like NYC exploding, Micah trapped in a burning skyscraper, and Hiro fighting a dinosaur? Not all the paintings exactly come true or are 100% literal. There's always something off about them......like Angela's dreams.
the LOST comparisons continue by BillboeFett	Apr 27th, 2009 03:08:27 PM
I guess if people still want to compare the days old stuff that was thrown in the trashcan with the freshly made food on the kitchen counter, thats fine. Kring gave some interview during the first season of HEROES saying how they don't want to make the same mistakes LOST has made. What mistakes Kring? Did you mean you want to make a whole set of your own? Because you're doing a great job. And whats even better is when you start sucking so bad you steal ideas from LOST, the show you guys supposedly have learned from the mistakes of.. LOST has waivered from A+ work to B- or C+ work from day one. Heroes started in C work and has gone down in grades from there. It now has a below-F grade and needs to be held back or kicked out of school, period.
i like the show by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 03:29:34 PM
but anytime it seems to start gaining focus and begins to start showing signs of being a well-thought, intriguing hour of television......the storylines/motivations change like 3 or 4 episodes later. too much changing in the middle of volumes makes for confusion. I understand everything that's going on........but having to explain to my mom or co-workers (who watch the show) what is happening gets annoying.
When did Worf become President? by HellKing	Apr 27th, 2009 03:51:59 PM
The last episode before "Fugtives" started, wasn't the president white?
hellking - president worf by itrainmonkeys	Apr 27th, 2009 03:58:47 PM
He was shown as the President towards the end of the last volume I believe. Brief cameo. Perhaps he was just voted in........or is a shape-shifter. I find it hard to believe the Sylar is the first person with abilities to want to take over as president......but whatever
So they want to kill off Nathan in a season finale again!? by NoPIX	Apr 27th, 2009 04:06:23 PM
Wasn't he supposed to be dead at the end of the first season and the end of the second season? How BAD is this show?
Please kill Hiro tonight by Rob0729	Apr 27th, 2009 04:20:54 PM
I figure the dead for good character will be Angela, but I hope it is Hiro. His character and storylines have become really annoying. They are easily the worst part of the show and the quality of the show has gone real down hill. A lot of the time I tend to fast forward through his scenes.
Damn DannyGlover imposter by MattmanReturns	Apr 27th, 2009 04:28:06 PM

We're taking over the Supernatural thread in The Zone!!! by Shermdawg	Apr 27th, 2009 04:36:17 PM
http://zone.aintitcool.com/vie wtopic.php?f=5&t=53139&p=68914 2#p689142
Sylar bumps into Adam Sandler by SilentGunman	Apr 27th, 2009 04:45:25 PM
and now morphs into the Buffoon. Stupid, maybe, but better than anything else Heroes is doing right now. I will be president! (morph) I looked at my asshole in the mirror today! It blew my fucking mind! (morph) You can't stop me, Nathan. (morph) One time I ate my neighbor's shit!
SilentGunman by HoboCode	Apr 27th, 2009 05:00:23 PM
I bet you got real hairy balls. Thanks for the hardest laugh I've had in a week.
Sylar lost his one weakness... by Splatomat	Apr 27th, 2009 05:07:07 PM
I just about threw my remote at the TV.
Agreed about Hiro... no longer a good character by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 27th, 2009 05:20:05 PM
He's become, dare I say it? -- the JarJar Binks of HEROES. And, yeah, I've gotten the really uncomfortable Asian/Japanese negative stereotype vibe about the way his character is written now. I would advocate something radical (among the many things I would advocate changing on this show): Kill off the present day Hiro, but have him be replaced by Future Hiro (how does this paradox work out? I'm sure it could be worked out). Have Ando go on his own -- preferably I'd like for him to lose his power, and then team up/work with Noah. Ando is cool, but I think he was perfectly fine (though under-utilized) when he had no power.
Emma Frost's Duds by fain88	Apr 27th, 2009 05:25:37 PM
Any Marvel Comics character has a very easy 'out' for how their clothes can stretch/ignite/shrink/etc...'U nstable Molecules'. Dunno where exactly they came from, not really sure exactly how they do what they do. Pseudo-sci-fi at it's best. Blame Reed Richards (and by extension Stan Lee). Not the best explination, but at least A explination. Maybe Sylar just realized he didn't have to change clothes at one point and could just morph his body into whatever 'exterior skin' he desired. That's what Mystique does. But, that would mean Sylar's always naked. Naked Mystique = just fine. Naked Sylar = eww.
Make your guesses???? by jimbojones123	Apr 27th, 2009 05:30:38 PM
How many posts will there be during the show. This has by far become the saddest talkback on the site. Will there be more than 3 live posts during the broadcast?
"It's darn good!" Fucking moron. by IL_Deuce	Apr 27th, 2009 05:42:27 PM
Yeah... because The Deseret news is such a huge news outlet. I was a fan back in the day. Now... I'm just done with it. If the cancel it, they cancel it. I'd rather watch Chuck anytime over Heroes.
We should all make a pact together... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 27th, 2009 05:44:08 PM
For those of us who want to quit this show after tonight's finale, maybe we should use this TB and future HEROES TB to keep a pact with one another to avoid watching the show next season. In the TBs, we could encourage one another to check out a new series instead, for example, to replace one's time that would have been spent watching the fourth season of HEROES.
worth catching up on, at all? by MachThree	Apr 27th, 2009 05:50:04 PM
I think I made it 4 or 5 episodes into S3, then decided I'd just wait for the end of the season and catch up then. Is it even worth bothering? Honestly, the last time the show really seemed like a good show to me was the episode before the season 1 finale.
MachThree, hang in there until episode 11... by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 05:56:18 PM
then it all went splat from there.
machthree: hard to say... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 27th, 2009 06:09:58 PM
I could see it being more frustrating to watch this season in a marathon session, because the inconsistencies in character and plotting could stand out even more.
they keep this expensive piece of.... by mcordy	Apr 27th, 2009 06:42:30 PM
Must be Bad TV, but the same network wants to cancel a less expensive show that is much more interesting and fun (might that be Chuck?) Damn...I used to like heroes...now I hate it because if they didn't renew this steaming turd...we might have seen the best season yet from the crew over at the Buy More. Oh well...nice to have known you NBC
EvilWizardGlick: what's that internet rule/law...? by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 27th, 2009 06:51:53 PM
...That says if you can imagine it, somebody online has already created porn of it? Maybe if we google HRG/Sylar slash fict, somebody has already written it.
People who watch Heroes deserve to get swine flu by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL	Apr 27th, 2009 06:53:17 PM
Swine flu = God's way of telling mexicans to fuck off.
My goodness, put this shitty show to rest! by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 07:05:15 PM
ANOTHER Shitty season finale? Good grief, what the fuck is wrong with Tim Kring? We should've seen this coming. I said it, didn't I? Any season finale, hell, any EPISODE this hack writes is a steaming pile of horse shit. Please, please, please, I beg u to FIRE Tim Kring as showrunner, this guy is bringing this show down, has no respect for the genre, doesn't understand or know how to utilize his own story plots and characters, and is just one big giant hack for hiring his own shitty group of writers. Thankfully u fired Jeph Loeb who was responsible for the flip-flopping disaster that was Vol.3. Now u just need to fire one more hack and hire Bryan Fuller or better yet CANCEL The show. Honestly, i have never seen writing as atrocious as whats been viewed on Heroes. Its pathetic...
HEROES IS ALMOST AS ANNOYING AS... by jedimast3r	Apr 27th, 2009 07:09:19 PM
...everyone on here trying make a cool clever celebrity handle. "DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD"? "CHRISTIANBALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGH TS"? "RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL" ? How about IMTRYINGHARDTOBECOOL.
It is fun to rag on this show though by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 07:14:14 PM
But only because it really IS that bad. I read an interview with Bryan Fuller where he pretty much gave the inside scoop. He basically agreed with all the hate against the show and its characters, saying he himself didnt recognize the show anymore. (Y do we still watch and accept this b.s?) He also said that when he got to the writers table all the writers were totally divided on the show's direction. People weren't getting along and arguing, and some were acting selfishly with characters, which explains the show's flip flopping mess. He said the writers originally wanted to kill off Tracy Strauss (Ali Larter)until he stepped in and stopped that. He hated her identical triplet "ghetto sci-fi storytelling" plot, which is what he called it. He basically tried to keep them from recylcing old plots and shoving their heads back up their asses. Not much luck as u can see. I dont think I'll be tuning in next season. I dont like wasting my time, and every minute I'm not happy, I'm wasting my time. Goodbye Heroes.
shit i just got pwned by jedimast3r by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL	Apr 27th, 2009 07:14:39 PM
with his ultra cool. original handle. fuck you dufus. go and sit in front of your tv set and watch some Clone Wars whilst masterbating to the sound of lightsabres.
Cough I mean "Selfish Assholes" Cough by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 07:16:01 PM

by The_Observer	Apr 27th, 2009 07:19:13 PM

jedimast3r by Sweet Action Hero	Apr 27th, 2009 07:19:46 PM
clever use of numbers as letters. havent seen that before. youre quite original, seems the force is strong w/ this one.
is the cheerleader dead yet? by alice 13	Apr 27th, 2009 07:41:54 PM
kill the cheerleader save your evening.
Here we go... by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 08:03:17 PM

Impressed by StuckInthePresentPaused	Apr 27th, 2009 08:08:21 PM
they actually adressed a potential plot hole. that might be the first time ever in the series. Though i still hate how they pad the timing by showing a few minutes of the previous episode.
The Four Most Frightning Words by fain88	Apr 27th, 2009 08:18:25 PM
in the English language: 'Written by Tim Kring' This dialogue is teh SUCK! Did I go dyslexic and misread what Hiro was just saying? Is this episode already this bad?!
did that just happen? by antimcgyver	Apr 27th, 2009 08:38:19 PM
seriously
Wow by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 08:40:24 PM
I guess Nathan really was the one to bite the dust. Oh well. It couldve been more suspenseful had it been a decent volume as a whole.
Nathan by NudeandAroused	Apr 27th, 2009 08:41:32 PM
Ok, I am not sure the confusing part about Nathan's demise. If the blood is drained from his body, how is Claire, or anyone else, going to save him? His blood is gone. Unless...
I wasn't talking about that death by antimcgyver	Apr 27th, 2009 08:41:32 PM
I was talking about that nonfight, but I just saw Pennsy's earlier post
One thing: Why does Nathan keep telling Peter "I love you?" by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 08:43:28 PM
Enough dude. We get it. U said it in Season 1 finale. U gave him a hug. U said it again in Vol 2. Then u said it again in Vol 3 before u tasered him. I love you, i love you, good grief. Give it a rest u back-stabbing politician who's-oops, now dead.
Haven't seen the s3 finale. Won't see the s3 finale. by Amy Chasing	Apr 27th, 2009 08:44:40 PM
Can someone give a summary? BTW I read ages ago that Hiro was leaving/being killed off. Did this happen?
Serioudly Heroes? AGAIN?! by Merlox	Apr 27th, 2009 08:45:34 PM
Another AWESOME fight we don't get to see? A repeat from the "awesome" 5 years later episode?! FUCK you Heroes. Thanks for wasting my night...this is what I get after an incredibly awesome episode of Chuck.
That was a pretty cool reveal by antimcgyver	Apr 27th, 2009 08:48:17 PM

Pineapple by smeagol2	Apr 27th, 2009 08:48:28 PM

How did Sylar get the power to fly without killing Nathan 1st? by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 08:48:36 PM

Whoa....WTF? by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 08:53:01 PM

melvin by antimcgyver	Apr 27th, 2009 08:53:23 PM
I thought he didn't need to kill people to absorb powers anymore
someone's read Exiles... by jccalhoun	Apr 27th, 2009 08:53:32 PM
so they are ripping off the Morph storyline from the Exiles comic book. They started by ripping off Watchmen and now they've sunk to ripping off an X-Man spin-off. How far they've fallen...
I was referring to the mind rape Matt just put on Sylar by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 08:54:05 PM
Holy shit....
What by smeagol2	Apr 27th, 2009 08:54:42 PM
Brain download? UGH
That was either a real cool idea by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 08:56:06 PM
or a total cop-out to keep the character of Nathan.
Why?> by smeagol2	Apr 27th, 2009 08:58:31 PM
Why can not she just stay dead.
I watch this show & masturbate in the car on the way to work by walrusholder	Apr 27th, 2009 09:01:10 PM
and I would never admit either of those things in person. Thanks internet
if they had balls... by antimcgyver	Apr 27th, 2009 09:01:13 PM
they'd kill hiro.
Old spoiler. Everyone knew Tracy was returning by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 09:03:18 PM
I actually liked that last bit with her and Nathan. It should've been more shot with a more suspensful direction though. Bryan fuller wouldnt let Tracy go after they ruined the Nikki character. They were actually going to bring in Barbara, lame...
Ok by NudeandAroused	Apr 27th, 2009 09:04:30 PM
I think the bit about nathan and the blood (he bled to death. No one, even Claire, could have saved him) All in all the season finale wasn't bad at all. There were some awkward moments, but it wasn't nearly as sucky as some would have it.
Ali Larter gets more mulligans on this show.... by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 09:06:06 PM
than Mickey Rooney had wives. Frak her.
jccalhoun by fain88	Apr 27th, 2009 09:06:34 PM
I thought the EXACT same thing. Also, Parkman pulled a 'Doctor Who' to get through the Secret Service agent. Also...Pete couldn't fly? But he had taken Sylar's powers? But Sylar flew in the window!
itrainmonkeys - Hiro did face off against a T-Rex ... by Undercover Fanboy	Apr 27th, 2009 09:07:44 PM
... in a museum or something when he ran into a T-Rex display and was trying to obtain his sword.
Larter's water form had a phat ass by terry1978	Apr 27th, 2009 09:07:55 PM
Badonkadonk...that's right, I said it.
fain88 by Captainwhat	Apr 27th, 2009 09:12:41 PM
Peter only got one of Sylar's powers it seems. That's why he made the comment in Worf's limo when he stabbed him with the needle.
fucking epic fight scene! by tile_mcgillus	Apr 27th, 2009 09:13:53 PM
YOU SEE THOSE LIGHTS FLASH!!!!!!!!!??! At least Oeter finally outsmarted someone... what an awful show. Fuck you Heroes.
edit button dreams never coming true by tile_mcgillus	Apr 27th, 2009 09:14:39 PM
Oeter=Peter
Captainwhat by fain88	Apr 27th, 2009 09:16:18 PM
Gotcha; couldn't quite make out what Pete said.
WOW! WOW! WOW! by squarebird	Apr 27th, 2009 09:19:55 PM
That finale should silence all teh doubters! Fantastic! Very sorry that either Sylar or Nathan is gone for good. The smart writing seems to be back for good. No more spoon-feeding the audience .. we're allowed to fill in the gaps ourselves .. for example, we can figure out that Nathan gained Sylar's power BEFORE Sylar flew away with Nathan - last season they would have spelled that out. And also, finally, Hiro is maturing into the future Hiro - a much more serious man. I don't know if we can bear waiting through the summer for the next episode - Worf as the President! Wow. (My guess at a subplot for next season is that Sylar's father is going to enter the picture - and that might trigger the dual personality - any other guesses?). Robert in DC Ah, now to watch my DVR'd episode of 24. What is Tony's story? I'm still depressed over his seeming turnabout - I'm not deciding whether to believe it until the end of season.
calm down squarebird by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 09:29:46 PM
it was not that great. And it still doesnt make sense how Sylar gained Nathan' power of flight. How did he do it?
Watching Heroes is like watching Smallville by S-Mart shopper	Apr 27th, 2009 09:31:34 PM
every week you watch hoping something cool and worthwhile happens but ends up being the suck.
They could have transfused pints of Claire's blood by Mose Schrute	Apr 27th, 2009 09:33:20 PM
into Nathan's veins. She can make more. If her blood can heal Noah's bullet-ridden brain, it can fix a simple throat slit. It's just like Peter straining to open the vault with telekinesis instead of just phasing into it. This show's writers don't know what the fuck they're doing.
You forgot the /sarcasm tags there, squarebird by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 09:34:15 PM
;)
WOW!! WOW!! WOW!! by maxwell's hammer	Apr 27th, 2009 09:36:01 PM
I totally can't tell if squarebird was being serious or not.
Just realized... Sylar can shift clothes?????? by Fish Tank	Apr 27th, 2009 09:38:43 PM
WTF? He goes from jean jacket to SWAT outfit and then back. That's just plain old silly!
Sylar's shifting clothes by Captainwhat	Apr 27th, 2009 09:42:08 PM
Little known fact, Sylar actually wore womens underwear through all of the changes. That's what he was referring to when he said that everyone needs a hobby.
Who care anymore by degausser	Apr 27th, 2009 09:46:34 PM
Nathan dies EVERY season finale.
WOW-EE WOW WOW WOW!! by Katie Geek	Apr 27th, 2009 09:46:52 PM
someone was actually excited by Nathan's latest magical return from the dead? this was worse than the other two Heroes finales, which is saying something. why didn't they let Fuller write the finale?????
"Nathan gained Sylar's power BEFORE Sylar flew away with Nathan" by Amy Chasing	Apr 27th, 2009 09:50:10 PM
Nathan's gaining powers now? Wait, was he the senator guy or the nurse? And if this is better than last season, is that saying much?
Not at all Amy. Not at al.... by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 10:02:03 PM

Smallville has been more entertaining than Heroes by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI	Apr 27th, 2009 10:02:50 PM
Not by much, but it's been better. The females on Smallville are hotter too.
Dead @ the "Who cares? Nathan dies EVERY season.." by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 10:03:28 PM
LOL. So true...Bet u he'll finally "die" next season finale...
They've got a decent set-up for next season by StarWarsRedux	Apr 27th, 2009 10:06:06 PM
Here's hoping they get it right this time.
Ali Larter by mike1976	Apr 27th, 2009 10:11:28 PM
I was expecting her to seduce the black agent. between DL and Idris Elba she's got jungle fever. maybe that's what she meant by you're number four? were they all really standing around while a human body gets burned? wouldn't that make you sick to smell the fumes? (or maybe hungry?)
The power of GOOD writing... by Fish Tank	Apr 27th, 2009 10:13:57 PM
was something none of this show's staff inherited or was injected with. Mad Men is the Holy Grail of damn fine writing. Nothing happens, but that show is so breathtakingly well written it's scary. Not Heroes scary. Good scary.
Horrible. by splungiest	Apr 27th, 2009 10:24:28 PM
Hey,Claire,would you mind reviving your dad the way you did your other dad? Oh, never mind, we'll just magically repurpose the brain of this insanely powerful murderous psychopath so we can recycle the Nikki/Jessica plot for next year. Much better idea. Yet ANTOHER hunk of shit finale!! Cancel it and let Bryan Fuller create a new superhero show situated far from Tim Kring's influence.
Surprisingly Brilliant... by _Maltheus_	Apr 27th, 2009 10:25:11 PM
...depending on where they take it. I hope it's not just an excuse to get rid of one of the actors (although it likely is). I'm not sure I'm liking Hiro's story, but the idea of incorporating Sylar's history recall, shapeshifting and perfect memory (Hiro's diner gal) together to reinvent another character is a respectable choice.
^^I agree Maltheus by filmstu2005	Apr 27th, 2009 10:37:33 PM
It would look much better though as whole had they not tried to kill Nathan in 3 different season finales and hadnt done the overuse of Claire's blood as a cop-out. But the idea of creating this new Nathylar character is pretty interesting. I just wish the writers hadn't bullshitted their way through the series like they have
OVERuse of Claire's blood? by splungiest	Apr 27th, 2009 10:42:49 PM
Was it used to resurrect someone besides Noah Bennet?
astonishingly stupid finale by darthuser	Apr 27th, 2009 10:54:19 PM
why wouldn't they just use Claire's blood to revive Nathan. Then you get the real Nathan, not just some asshole with Nathan's memories. Not that Nathan was ever that interesting, but Sylar had already gone from terrifying to boring in season one. And Hiro's story just ends with "Let's go home, Ando"? Wow, kick-ass storytelling there!
Prez Worf is one lazy-eyed muthafucka by nechyv	Apr 27th, 2009 10:55:02 PM
Fo real, pause that shit on his face when he shakes hands with sylar.
splungiest by T-RACE	Apr 27th, 2009 10:55:31 PM
While it wasn't exactly Claire's blood, Adam used his blood to heal Nathan. Also, they used Claire's blood to cure that whole Shanti virus thing. I believe those were the only instances.
HOLY CRAP -- by jimbojones123	Apr 27th, 2009 11:04:04 PM
I didn't know the WET BANDITS had abilities. Where is Kevin when you need him.
I'm fine with them not resorting to Claire's blood by _Maltheus_	Apr 27th, 2009 11:15:15 PM
They should drop that ability like a bad habit. It was the worst thing they introduced in S2.
Remember, ICE_AGENT, the woman who 'replaced' KB by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 11:18:42 PM
was killed off herself a month and change ago - Rebecca Mader. Kristen made the right move then, and she thankfully got off this turdpile of a show before they went all AIG, as in freefall in terms of quality and ratings. Bell's gonna be an A-list movie star in a few years, and four movies still in the pipeline for 2009. :)
Greg Beeman, a Heroes producer/director, won't be back by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 11:20:31 PM
for season 4, as announced in his blog earlier tonight: http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com / Monetary decision by NBC, he says.
Shapeshifting clothes by rsanta74	Apr 27th, 2009 11:25:00 PM
Possible if they follow the Mystique route. If Sylar is constantly naked then the "clothes" are just shapeshifted flesh that looks like clothing. The only screw up there is that we APPARENTLY see Sylar sorta getting dressed by fixing his tie when Nathan is unconscious. The counterpoint is that he's manually adjusting his flesh, which is just creepy. =) I thought that the episode was pretty decent. My complaints? - Michael Dorn wasn't given nearly enough to do. - The casual ripping off of the Exiles Morph/Proteus storyline seems a bit blatant. - Ali Larter's resurrection would have been more surprising if her broken head hadn't blinked in "Cold Snap." - Yet another fight we couldn't see. Not the writer's fault though. With the required budget for that type of fight and a crappy economy, off-screen antics are preferable to million dollar shots. - The uselessness of Ando. Really. WTF!?! They give him a cool power. They hint that he and Hiro will beat the snot out of each other. Then they puss out. Weak. - Much too early to be so blatant about Matt's incompetent mindwipe. It would have been more suspenseful to have "Nathan" start acting weird in very small doses during S4. - Sylar shifted his weak point. Okay. Let's face it. Sylar has an ability to rewrite his DNA. With shapeshifting added to the mix, he could have totally wiped out his weak spot. Moving it suggests an inherent stupidity on his part. - They treated the Micah/Rebel story like a Ben Afleck & dead hookers. Figments of everybody's imagination. Totally weak of them to NOT give his character decent closure. SHIT! The kid saved half of their freakin' lives and STILL he gets no play. Like Chewie not getting a damn medal. - WTF was with Claire about to leave while her dad & uncle were fighting Sylar. Bitch doesn't even try to break the door down? Poor baby is worried about hurting her arm? SHE'S A NIGH INVULNERABLE IMMORTAL. A bruised shoulder is the least of her concerns. She, more than anybody, could have endured Sylar's torture more than anybody else. Stupid blond. - Angela's cheesy scream was 1 step short of a Wilhelm. Seriously. They could as well have used a stock scream. - Is Noah retarded?!? The stupid "company man" was about to enter a truce with that sleazy Danko - the guy who, might I add, had a hardon for him the whole volume. Not buying it. - For that matter, WTF happened to Danko (sp)? He turned tail like a Frenchman. - What exactly WAS Sylar's plan? Stir shit up? That's it? Don't tell me that it was to become president. Clearly there are better plans. Somebody wasn't thinking this through. If they tried to play off his whole conflict as a weird "suicide by cop" then I might have believed that more. - Angela is another retarded schlub. Sylar's got psychometry (touch memory). The moment "Nathan" touches her or something she owns, the Sylar inside of him would have recognized that mind wipe. - Another Hiro thing.... HE'S A SAMURAI!!! Can't use his power? No BFD. Grab the nearest sharp object or long pole and beat the holy shit out of your enemies. They totally ignored that Hiro is a decent Samurai in S3. Any bit of that character development for S1 & S2 was negated by this oversight. What I liked.... - Sylar's little speech to Claire. Gotta give it to the psycho. He DOES have a point. In 100 or 200 years, when every Petrelli is long dead, nobody will understand or empathize with Claire more than Sylar. The only perfect mate for an immortal is another immortal. - About time that Hiro's little Deus Ex Machina was put in its place. He's had way too much power to be allowed to mess things up so easily. HOWEVER, I think that his situation is easy to fix. Baby Matt seemingly jump started a dead power. However, since the baby has no control, Hiro was left incomplete and incompatible. Ando is a power super charger. Juice the baby. Have the baby jump start Hiro. Fixed. .... .... Of course, that means that you'll end up with a crazy powerful Hiro. Baby + Ando = Hiro Reboot - It looks like that Kring & Co have realized a LOT of their past mistakes. Stuff like restarting the Company & turning "Nathan" back into an unstable douchy politician puts Heroes a bit more back on track. I'm concerned with the whole "Redemption" concept though. That could mean redemption for the Company. It could mean Redemption for Sylar/Nathan - which would ONCE AGAIN be ripping off the Morph/Proteus storyline. It could mean Redemption for Noah or Angela. It could mean just about anything. Frankly, I think that the whole Sylar thing should be put to bed. Find another paranormal with Radioactive Ted's power and ash the bastard out of existence. That's better than any head shot. I'd give this episode a C+. As much as I complained about it, I realize that Heroes is a show you have to turn your brain off to watch. The characters are insipid and just plain retarded. Everything they do defies basic logic that even the most booze addled Talkbacker would have figured out. To enjoy Heroes, you have to think of it as junk food. It's a decent way to fill up your belly, but it has no nutritional value. The biggest problem with this episode is that it should have been a single 2hr block. Everything wrapped up too quickly and conveniently. There's no conflict because there's no time for it. For Heroes to REALLY get back on track, they've got to drop the dead weight. Kill Hiro. Keep Ando. Give Matt a happy ending and get him off screen. Let Suresh do what he's been doing, which is nothing, off screen. Ash Sylar. Pare the show down to the Petrelli clan (Peter & Angel), the Bennet Clan (Noah & Clair), Icegirl Ali, & Ando. THAT'S it. Ampute some limbs to save the patient. Heroes can only get "back on track" if it stops dwelling on the glory that was 75% of S1. Come up with new villains. Ditch dead weight. Make superhumans a rarity and not freakin' dime store candy. Intertwine the cast's fates as one single coherent story instead of everybody doing their own thing, only to improbably find their way together again. They're not strangers anymore. An ensemble cast can only work if they're allowed to act off one another. Right now, there are like 3 or 4 small shows in this same 45min show.
And while I'm at it, one of those 4 movies K-Bell is in by Pennsy	Apr 27th, 2009 11:25:45 PM
has a preview, with scenes from 'When in Rome'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =WZlrofNyyMc
There were good and bad moments... by AragornElfstone	Apr 27th, 2009 11:31:41 PM
Spoilers Ahead Good: -Claire asserting herself at gunpoint -Peter's shape shift Bad: -Behind closed doors fight -unnecessary Claire/Sylar talk about romance -not using an already established way of bringing someone back to life (Claire's blood) and instead changing Sylar They should have left Nathan dead, kill Sylar (or not, I'm kinda torn on this one), and have Peter shape shift into Nathan to clear things up in DC. That would have been better than the crap the fed us.
i wish peter had taken sylar's main ability by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	Apr 27th, 2009 11:33:07 PM
Sylar has the ability to empathically absorb people's powers too, like he did with the electro-chick. Peter could've just taken that, controlled the hunger again, and instantly absorbed everyone else's powers nearby, including shapeshifting. And I reeeaaally wish they showed that fight behind the doors. They wasted so much money on random effects throughout the season, at least save it for the end. GET RID OF TIM KRING.
although i guess peter can still take it by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	Apr 27th, 2009 11:34:03 PM
from "Nathan". I bet next season is about "Nathan" stumbling onto Sylar's other powers like healing and the like, then slowly turning bad again, so they can wean us off Nathan's character.
Omigod, they killed Kenny ... err ... Nathan!!!! by Epsilon	Apr 27th, 2009 11:37:14 PM
Face it folks, we have seen the face of Kenny from South Park, and it looks exactly like Nathan Petrelli. How many times can this guy die? I haven't watched this crap since early in S3, and the only way I'd ever tune in would be to see the series finale out of some sick, twisted fascination. What an abomination of a show.
@Smoke Monster Loves Kate by rsanta74	Apr 27th, 2009 11:46:32 PM
Technically, Sylar's core power should have been the only power Peter could have siphoned off. Some time ago & in an interview, when Kring & Co were asked to define Peter's power, it was stated that this was how it would work. Now that Peter's power has been rebooted it needs redefining yet again. Give Peter the ability to dupe the powers of only ONE PERSON. There's a difference between this and what he currently has. EXAMPLE (CURRENT): Peter touches Matt and absorbs his mind control ability. He then touches Claire and gets her healing, but loses telepathy. EXAMPLE (HOW IT SHOULD WORK): Peter touches Matt and gets his telepathy. He touches Sylar and loses Matt's power, but gains ALL of Sylar's powers... at a reduced/prorated strength level. He touches Claire and the weakened version of Sylar's stockpile is gone, leaving him with full strength healing only. This way, Peter gets lots of badass powers, but all at weakened outputs.
I think I might have gotten off the train tonight by Rob0729	Apr 27th, 2009 11:46:35 PM
Weak finale. Found myself not really caring. Unless Zachary Quinto leaves the show Star Trek boosts his tock, I guarantee you Nathan's death won't stick. They'll find a way to bring him back because the Sylar as Nathan thing can only last so long. I know it was budget reasons to have the Nathan and Peter vs. Sylar fight off camera, but they would have done themselves more justice to have a scaled down fight on camera than a bunch of flashing lights through a door. The Chuck finale blew this one away.
Alternatively... by rsanta74	Apr 27th, 2009 11:49:09 PM
let Peter discover that he can absorb multiple powers, but each new power cuts into the strength levels of the previous ones.
Way to save budget for the cooler fights... by rsanta74	Apr 27th, 2009 11:51:24 PM
.... DITCH DEAD WEIGHT!!! This show has way too many players. It has become X-Men. With 22 people on the same team, they're only going to get one page to shine each issue. Cut the cast. Save the show.
Mediocre shit since Day One, got a pass from geeks by reflecto	Apr 27th, 2009 11:52:08 PM
With its premise and staff, all it had to do was SHOW UP to get praise from us. But the first season was as stupid as the others, we just didn't realize how little they had planned out beyond their initial ideas. The thought that this could get another year or two while Dollhouse dies is anathema to me.
Plan? We doen nee no steenking plaaan! by rsanta74	Apr 28th, 2009 12:01:39 AM
Heroes NEVER had a plan. It had a premise and some bullet points. Everything else has been ripped off from old storylines and cliches that only comic geeks would recognize. At, least with S1, we could still care about the characters and follow the storyline. Now, with Vol2-Vol4, everything is a mess. The stories are incomprehensible. There are no clear cut definitions of good and bad. The characterizations reek of bad video game writing. Heroes S1 got lucky with a couple of lucky gambles and a really catchy tag line. Everything after has been about riding on that single moment's glory. Heroes S2 & S3 is the old, fat Elvis. Bloated. Barely comprehensible. Happily waiting for the sweet release of death. Here's can't ever go off message or stray from the plan since there never was one. Heroes would have made for a MUCH better minseries than ongoing.
No More Heroes by Joey_Redballs	Apr 28th, 2009 12:02:40 AM
Sylar was the best part of the show, but over time he's becoming the worst. Now Quinto wants to do more movies, so Sylar is Nathan...until the Quinto cameo next season finale, possibly series finale. I saw this coming since Sylar got his shapeshifting powers, but I didn't suspect he'd "become" Nathan. I just figured he'd take on a new look to let Quinto take a break from Heroes. Tonight, Heroes jumped the shark. What a cop-out of a series finale fight. We already had a big fight occur behind closed doors in the first season's alternate reality episode. I'm done. No more Heroes.
"course correcting" by BillboeFett	Apr 28th, 2009 12:07:04 AM
Where have I heard that before?
What happenes when "Senator Sylar" gets a papercut by Raymar	Apr 28th, 2009 12:09:45 AM
and watches it suddenly heal?!
question about Hiro's time traveling adventures by BillboeFett	Apr 28th, 2009 12:12:25 AM
Did it ever explain or show how Hiro came to learn perfect english and have long hair in a ponytail with his samurai sword duds, etc? I believe he met Peter Petrelli on the train in that manner.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! by Blackguard	Apr 28th, 2009 12:20:56 AM
That was so BAD! Seriously, a closed door fight? Everyone has been waiting for a Sylar showdown since that awful Season 1 finale and THAT is what we got? Wow. I am so glad that was my last episode of Heroes. I'm not going to waste an hour every Monday on that garbage any more.
I'll just say it by Joey_Redballs	Apr 28th, 2009 12:21:45 AM
This season was more uneven and thrown together than the short writer's strike Volume 2. WTF? And this is the 4th time Nathan has died including alternate realites. This was the 2nd time Nathan was killed by Sylar. Nathan was first thought to have been killed by Sylar in an alternate future, after which time Sylar assumed his identity and ran for President. If you count the season\volume 1 finale, Nathan is believed to have died in the explosion. Season\volume 2 finale assasination. Season\volume 3, Peter travels to the future with Sylar's hunger and kills President Nathan. Season\volume 4, Sylar slits Nathan's throat. I think that was symbolic, because the show's throat was cut during this episode too. I think it will bleed to death slowly.
Angela by mike1976	Apr 28th, 2009 12:25:05 AM
She said she can't change the future as predicted in her dreams. Reminds me of Faraday saying you can't change the future while time traveling in the past. Why bother trying anything then if it's inevitable?
Peter killed Nathan twice; Sylar killed Nathan twice by Joey_Redballs	Apr 28th, 2009 12:25:31 AM
Who will kill "Nathan" next season? Someone new? 5th time is the charm.
sooooooooo... by WIBoomer1	Apr 28th, 2009 12:49:33 AM
...was Chuck better than this? It seems so...
is this still on? by slappy jones	Apr 28th, 2009 12:50:35 AM
and do people still watch it??
Not even naked Boomers will get me to watch next season... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 28th, 2009 01:13:39 AM
That's it -- I'm out, too, gang. No more Heroes for me next season.
SIMPLY DREADFUL. by beardo	Apr 28th, 2009 01:26:05 AM
No wonder 24 has survived to butcher HEROES in the ratings.
Fuller needs to clean house by pollaxt	Apr 28th, 2009 01:28:01 AM
Kring needs to sell insurance.
Just a quick straw poll... by billypilgrimisunstuck	Apr 28th, 2009 01:28:46 AM
...How many people would watch Heroes again if they cancelled Kring and gave Fuller the title of show runner?
I would try watching again if Fuller was totally in charge... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 28th, 2009 01:41:17 AM
...But I doubt this will happen. There's word already that Fuller wants to bail to run one of the new shows next season. I can't blame him -- he should be looking out for himself anyway. And I don't think Kring wants to go. Like it or not, he did create the show. So it's his baby to abuse, as far as he's concerned until NBC's execs step in and kick him off the show.
Potential is there but always by DirKonkle	Apr 28th, 2009 02:23:13 AM
They seem to squander it a bit in the end. Epic builds that cannot possibly pay off in show. Still...perhaps this is the end of the show?? thoughts? What am I up to? producing my own series geek humor with Safety Geeks: SVI sponsored by KoldCast.TV if you're inclined have a look http://www.koldcast.tv/video/f orked_up for episode one
Claire's Blood by BrannigansLaw	Apr 28th, 2009 02:32:49 AM
Maybe I've missed something, but whom among the current cast actually KNOWS about Claire's blood? Does Claire even know?
Maybe my TV machine gets an alternate universe... by BrannigansLaw	Apr 28th, 2009 02:41:43 AM
I see a lot of crapping on the finale. I guess that is to be expected. Me? I actually that it was quite decent. Aside from the behind closed doors fight (WEAK!!!), and what they're needlessly doing to Hiro, and that pussy Matt Parkman (DO IT, ALREADY!!!!), it was one of the better eps. I really like what they've done with Sylar and am interested in seeing where it goes.
Medium & Chuck by BrannigansLaw	Apr 28th, 2009 02:54:42 AM
Just had to give some love to Medium and Chuck. Very good episodes. Although I do watch Heroes (sometimes unenthusiastically), those 2 shows are really the anchors that help to keep me on NBC. They're always solid and generally consistent and should both be renewed.
Its official for T:SCC.... by champvinyl	Apr 28th, 2009 03:22:42 AM
Not to hijack the heroes TB but shirley manson was just on craig ferguson's show and referred to herself as "an unemployed singer and an unemployed actress." Shit. It'd be one thing if weaver was killed off but, looks like the show is really, really shitcanned.
Bryan Fuller - would he want to be the showrunner for Heroes by Miyamoto_Musashi	Apr 28th, 2009 03:33:32 AM
He hasn't had a good time of it with his own critically appraised, quirky but cancelled shows. Personally I would like to see him do soemthing different, more intelligent and interesting, maybe put a "CSI" at the start of the name to keep it from being cancelled.
Human Target tv show, any other comic properties being developed by Miyamoto_Musashi	Apr 28th, 2009 03:39:42 AM
Personally think there is so much good source material out in the comics world to be made into TV, would be keen to know what if anything is being looked at or developed. Am reading Y the Last Man TPBs at the moment, and this would make a great show, would prefer tv show to movies. Preacher (has been talked about before), 100 Bullets, Fables (though would need decent CG budget).
A BrannigansLaw by Bulla_11	Apr 28th, 2009 03:44:23 AM
Noah Bennett should know, Peter know that Adam blood cured Nathan so maybe he also knows.
The reason Tim Kring created Heroes and why it sucked post seaso by Miyamoto_Musashi	Apr 28th, 2009 03:45:06 AM
Am convinced he created Heroes, just to see and work with a cute girl in a cheerleaders outfit, he is that simple, came up with "save the cheerleader save the world", worked out a few other things, added some characters and hey presto Season 1. Gave himself a good tug every episode she was on screen and then his creative mind went dry.
"...post season 1" - damn headers not being long enough by Miyamoto_Musashi	Apr 28th, 2009 03:47:08 AM

Oh that was fucking lame. by kingoflight	Apr 28th, 2009 04:18:38 AM
First off the fight we never saw, door rattle claire has that weak as fuck look of stupidity on her face COPE OUT ! What are the chances that sylar and nathan will body split picalo style ? Either way neither of them will be going anywhere now with that story line. I was cheering that nathan got his throat cut but no ! they come up with the daftest stories. Are they really resorting to stealing lines from other shows now ? Yes LOST got hung to dry with the course correcting line i almost feel sorry for the actors having to resort to such a thing, but i am sure they get paid well :D Really why bring tracy strouce back or is that sister No.3 ? Its not that even they bought her back they bought her back when she added nothing to the episdoe, could have had thoese boring 30secs filling in the gap with the clanky door with some real fighting. Also remember when hiro went forward in time and ando kills him where we not building to that all season ? last thing when is claire doing porn?
kingoflight - your last point by Miyamoto_Musashi	Apr 28th, 2009 04:28:21 AM
Is all that really matters, the rest was filler
Wow you fucking nerds by magic_ninja	Apr 28th, 2009 04:41:12 AM
I swear to fucking christ most of you are as bad as or even worse than that Media Messiah retard on the Dollhouse talkbacks. Hell, lets rip on Heroes for ripping off comic books, but Joss Whedon gets a free pass he does it everytime. You guys are fucking faggots.
rsanta74 by Sebilrazen	Apr 28th, 2009 04:42:56 AM
"Juice the Baby" I Lol'd.
It wasn't horrible by A for Aristocrat	Apr 28th, 2009 05:24:30 AM
The last few episodes were certainly better then the rest of the season. The Exiles rip off was probably a coincidence but that was the first thing I thought of. Still damn inconsistant that they couldnt use Claires blood. Again no bad ass power fight. Peter only being able to absorb one power from Sylar was lame. Hope they explain next season why "nathan" doesnt have Sylars other abilities. Still the ressurection of the company was good. The jury is out on Tracy no. 3. Next year could be better.
About the "claires blood" thing... by champvinyl	Apr 28th, 2009 05:41:10 AM
First off, When they first used the idea you people bitched like crazy about it, now you're complaining that they didn't use it? Secondly, Nathan wasn't in the same location as noah/claire/peter. After Nathan and Peter ran in to fight Sylar (which we Didn't get to see... way to fucking go producers, good decision...), Nathan and Sylar end up in the apartment angela was dreaming about, not exactly sure where... but not in the same building they were in before. IMO the general idea was that angelas dream was actually parkman "saving" nathan by mindfucking sylar, too bad it's not going to last. Next season will be our heroes struggling to leave their old lives behind and teaming up to finally get sylar and make shit right, Tracy may be a wildcard. I kinda liked how the Ep ended. even though we got nothing involving micah. If they kill Hiro I stop watching.
Only one way to bring back audience: Future Hiro! by dailysportspages	Apr 28th, 2009 05:49:38 AM
Surresh said to Hiro "you cant freeze time anymore or you will die"... something like that. Well Hiro DID freeze time one last time, so we should expect to see consequences for that, right? Hiro suffers blackouts everytime he stops time... his nose bleeds and ear bleeds worse and its discovered that he has developed a brain tumor. While in Japan with Ando he realizes that he can no longer stop time. His mind has compensated for the stress that stopping time does to his brain, and now allows him to merely slightly slow down time in a small area surrounding his body. Hiro realizes that this is his destiny, to be a great sword sait, and figures that his power is a gift that allows him to outmaneuver his enemies while in a fight. Boom! Bad ass Future Samurai Hiro is born.
Ya melvin... by champvinyl	Apr 28th, 2009 06:11:07 AM
that scene was fucking awesome, the song was "when the man comes around" by Johnny Cash, they ran most of the song, the combat went for at least a min or so. I can't believe they're canceling it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j c6M4WBL6hA by champvinyl	Apr 28th, 2009 06:11:55 AM

One think I learned tonight from Heroes by Itchy	Apr 28th, 2009 06:27:06 AM
is that i really don't give a shit about any of the characters. If I were Hiro, I'd go back in time to the end of season 1 and let the whole city blow up and all of them die. Then I wouldn't be subjected to watching this crap. Every episode is just a random mish mash of shiite; a bunch of nudnicks running around with no plan, no logical motivations and for no specific purpose. Tim Kring is the worst piece of douche dripping ever.
The Nathan/Sylar thing is great. It allows Quinto to leave grace by dailysportspages	Apr 28th, 2009 06:27:38 AM
And you can always bring him back in the future for a cameo or a guest spot for when Nathan/Sylar dies... you see him turn back into Gabriel Gray. For now just have this new Nathan BE Sylar... he just doesnt know he is Sylar yet. Have him go through the whole spiel of working it out on his own (after all that IS Sylars natural power), and when he finally figures it out... dude is gonna be pissed. But being the evil guy he is, he will stay with the Nathan persona and fool as many people as possible. Expect a twisted father/daughter perv moment when Nathan/Sylar comes on to the cheerleader.
What'd be really funny... by champvinyl	Apr 28th, 2009 06:29:57 AM
Is If Hiro said "fuck it." stopped time and had a stroke, leaving him in a coma, and everyone else frozen in time. goes for another drink
Nathan was already succeptible to his baser instincts... by dailysportspages	Apr 28th, 2009 06:43:57 AM
And now with him actually being Sylar... those instincts are going to be amplified. I fully expect the good Senator from NY to rise in the political ranks quickly... with his eye on the presidency.
Almost really enjoyed it! by ckone	Apr 28th, 2009 07:02:34 AM
They had me really enjoying this episode, up until they made Matt Parkman pull the crappiest Undeath ever. My main cristicizm of this show is that they never move on from the original characters..which is what they should have done. The only way this show works , is when NEW things are being revealed that have not been seen yet. That is why S1 worked so well, it had the promise of showing so much more...but they keep fake killing the characters...I don't want a fake Nathan, just kill the bastard...that was a great death...but they keep bringing these people back...It's lame. I loved everything they did right up till right after his death...then the show started backtracking and spinning it's wheels again..And sorry, I am SO BORED with the idea of yet ANOTHER Vapid Ali Larter Character...ughh....Hiro and Ando...So sad to see such great characters so underused...he has so much potential to be this awesome character..but they keep handcuffing him. The whole idea that you can't change the future by going to the past is lame. Oh well, here's hoping they start to right the ship next season...but somehow I doubt it...
champvinyl by kingoflight	Apr 28th, 2009 07:04:07 AM
I had the same kinda thought, only that he stoped time and said "see" then died. TSCC was an example of a pretty cool way of making a fight out of nothing. Even if they just changed the sets time to early night killed the lights in the room and have them light up every now and then in the dark with a bit of noise and some extra facial make up that would have been WAY better that glowing doors. Heroes is pretty much a null and void show now anyway, there just seams to no way of killing off anyone... well important. Even character that have died twice have come back cough Tracy. I can't belive it i just remembered the last time that glowing door was used back when sylar and scarface peter were going at it an mohinder was holding it back..... MOTHER FUCKERS....
I was just? by Mr Walter	Apr 28th, 2009 07:13:06 AM
Really bored
the only way I'd ever watch Heroes again... by Cap'n Jack	Apr 28th, 2009 07:35:40 AM
...is if it's just and hour of Tracy Strauss going down on Claire.
Its over, time to shoot it in the head by vorlonkosh	Apr 28th, 2009 07:46:42 AM
We'll always have season 1. Screw the rest of it. Can't see myself watching this anymore to see what other convoluted shit they come up with.
Given the track record, I'll bet Nathan AND Sylar are both alive by fishface	Apr 28th, 2009 07:49:38 AM
Claire, HRG, and the body all disappear during the mind-wipe. They way this writing is going, I'll bet they DID raise Nathan, and he is in hiding, to be popped out of the cake in some future episode (perhaps if Quinto wants back or some such). Would not put anything past the writers and thier video-game mentality of resetting dead characters.
sounds like it sucked again by turketron_2	Apr 28th, 2009 07:51:30 AM
nothing new
Ronald D. Moore and David Eick couldn't save Heroes by Pennsy	Apr 28th, 2009 08:00:04 AM
at this point.
Sylar DID fly like Nathan... wtf... by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	Apr 28th, 2009 08:37:17 AM
Because now Sylar-Nathan has to be able to fly, right? Also when Sylar landed on the balcony, they played the flying sound effect that Nathan and Peter usually gets. So, wtf. How did that work? Did Sylar randomly empathically absorb Nathan's power? Perhaps from having gotten all of his memories too? Maybe they'll explain it in next season.
Pennsy: Ron Moore couldn't save the BSG finale by SpyGuy	Apr 28th, 2009 08:42:03 AM
Seriously, ripping off Douglas Adams right down to the bathub is no way to write a finale.
Sylar doesn't have to kill anymore to.. by ckone	Apr 28th, 2009 09:01:48 AM
absorb a power...he just kills out of pure enjoyment now, but I do believe somewhere in the last couple of seasons he either swiped that ability from Pete or his Papa Petrelli...But I do believe it has been established that he doesn't have to kill to absorb someones powers now. And I do have a problem with the fact that they never show Nathans body after the Sylar/Nathanizing...and how is Angela not completely berzerk after seeing her boys neck sliced open like that...don't know how she could allow Sylar to live...even looking like Nathan... I dunno, I am getting tired of the show's wacky sense..
sylar flying by itrainmonkeys	Apr 28th, 2009 09:04:39 AM
while I choose the "empathic power absorb" theory for how Sylar was flying.....another simple explanation is that one of the many "missions" that agent Traub (Sylar in disguise) had the team catching a person who could fly. Sylar steals his power and boom. there you go. We don't know what powers he got from the missions that he went on.
Adios muchacho by The McPoyle Clan	Apr 28th, 2009 09:11:05 AM
I've watched every episode from the beginning. Following another underwhelming finale with more lazy writing, I'm out. There were a couple great episodes toward the end of the first season, but the rest has wavered between mediocre and truly awful. Budgetary concerns may explain the fights that don't take place onscreen, but don't explain the illogical characters and sloppy writing. I don't think it's gonna change. They've had plenty of chances to fulfill the promise, but enough is enough.
3.8 rating, 6 share. by Pennsy	Apr 28th, 2009 09:21:16 AM
That was last night's numbers from the Heroes season finale. Chuck was 3.5/6.
this show REALLY should be better... by ckone	Apr 28th, 2009 09:32:37 AM
I mean, how do you compare the amazing ending to S1, to this half baked lame piecemealed end...and the New volume didn't have me chomping at the bit either..how do they now know how to make this show cool??? ugh...
In the long tradition of Heroes finales... by Kevin Holsinger	Apr 28th, 2009 09:49:08 AM
...Nathan and Sylar die (though Sylar's was a mental death), only to be quickly brought back again. Does Kring think he's doing a George Lucas thing by repeating ideas over and over? At least with Star Wars, you were seeing Luke going down his father's path, so repetition made sense. Anyway, okay episode. Weak season. Michael Dorn got shafted. Yet, I'll be back for Vol. 5...because this show hasn't pulled the Fredo on me that it has many others (though I understand your complaints).
wouldn't Nathan know something is up... by Cap'n Jack	Apr 28th, 2009 10:19:05 AM
...the first time he cuts himself shaving and watches it instantly heal?
ckone: "the amazing ending to S1"... LOL WUT by turketron_2	Apr 28th, 2009 10:24:46 AM
LMFAO. The ending to season 1 was anything but "amazing".
C+ by D_T	Apr 28th, 2009 10:27:04 AM
Somebody (above) gave it a C+, I'm in about the same place. Some good stuff, some lame stuff, some WTF are they doing elements. I know they were trying to avoid Nathan becoming a victim of super powered people, but once I cleared that up (using the Sythan© stand-in) and put some political agenda in place, I'd smoke him in an "accident" (oh too bad, his car went off a cliff, and exploded). It's funny they get to keep the Sylar character, but now that ZQ may be migrating to movies, they don't technically need the actor.
Where the Muthafuckin Lost Talkback! by Dhaemon	Apr 28th, 2009 10:47:54 AM
Oh wait it's Tuesday ahahahaa... But seriously we won't see it posted until 1 hr before the show starts... Lammmmmmmeee
Time to bring in Warren Ellis by SpyGuy	Apr 28th, 2009 10:50:18 AM
Let Warren kill off half the cast, nuke a foreign country, and this show will be right as rain again. Hey, it worked for G.I. JOE.
The SCIENCE of time freeze/teleporting by Fish Tank	Apr 28th, 2009 10:54:38 AM
Balloons "pop" because the molecules that surround them come instantly rushing back in and collide as they try to inhabit that previously "empty" space. So... moving 20 or so bodies that were once somewhere, causes them to "instantly" disappear, making HUGE thunderclap noises that would shake the building. I'd love to see more science worked in here. Flying guys are easily explained by the controlled expulsion of methane gases.
Water Chickie. by Fish Tank	Apr 28th, 2009 10:56:01 AM
IS NOT ice chickie. I think she's the third "clone". No?
Angela Petrelli- by Cap'n Jack	Apr 28th, 2009 10:57:41 AM
-I'd hit that. just sayin'...
Fish tank- by Cap'n Jack	Apr 28th, 2009 10:58:58 AM
I was about to type "are you fucking retarded?" but then remembered we're talking about Heroes here.
Cap'n Jack by Fish Tank	Apr 28th, 2009 11:04:23 AM
;-) Thought I closed well.
turketron_2 by ckone	Apr 28th, 2009 11:10:15 AM
well, to be honest I haven't watched it since the first time it ever aired...but I do have a slight memory of being hooked into it line and sinker and glad to see all the events that were hinted at throughout the season actually come to fruition....
I'm done by the__natural74	Apr 28th, 2009 11:49:03 AM
Heroes always seems to give us a small, faint hope it will get better each season...but it has failed each time. This season was the worst yet, and the small amount of promise I found in characters like Danko, were thrown away with many of the same poor decisions the creators have even acknowledged in the past based on fan feedback. Choosing again to NOT SHOW a final fight w/ Sylar was incredibly disappointing, especially if it was (hopefully) the final chapter. There is such a universal lack of focus on this show...from losing/regaining powers, switching powers, repeating similar storylines again and again, there's just no payoff in sight. Watch the effective gambles with writing taken this season by Lost, The Unit, Big Love, Prison Break, Terminator...there's just too much competition for my time in order for Heroes to survive even my own dedicated viewing habits. I've watched Heroes since the first episode based on the promise to deliver a mature superhero story in prime time...and in every way I believe viewers are still waiting for that promise to deliver. Three seasons is long enough. The morons who make this show should have learned from their mistakes by now. Even Smallville knows they can get by with mediocre filler during the long season by always delivering fun super powered, and emotionally effective finales that fuels the next season right out of the starting blocks. Heroes doesn't seem to know the race is already over, and they continue to lap the track in an empty stadium. Sad.
Off topic, but, how... by Orbots Commander	Apr 28th, 2009 11:53:03 AM
...do you create paragraph breaks in talkback? Thanks, fellas.
Orbots... by Fish Tank	Apr 28th, 2009 11:59:06 AM

Orbots... by Fish Tank	Apr 28th, 2009 12:00:36 PM
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HA! I typed it and it won't show... by Fish Tank	Apr 28th, 2009 12:03:17 PM
even though I only typed the one symbol. The key to the right of letter M, then the words B and R, then the key two to the right of letter M, with no spaces.
Orbots by Cap'n Jack	Apr 28th, 2009 12:04:18 PM
'less than' symbol, then 'p' then 'greater than' symbol.
shit! by Cap'n Jack	Apr 28th, 2009 12:04:57 PM
I mean: 'less than' symbol, then 'br' then 'greater than' symbol.
Cool! Thanks, guys. by Orbots Commander	Apr 28th, 2009 12:25:21 PM
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Testing... Voila!
PETER DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT NATHAN by teh awesome	Apr 28th, 2009 12:29:25 PM
Do you realize what it's going to do to Peter when he finds out his brother is Dead and Sylar was mind wiped into being his new bro? He is going to get all killy.
Did anyone else LOL by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI	Apr 28th, 2009 12:41:25 PM
When Ma Petrelli gave her overdramatic scream? Wow, I was forgiving of this show for awhile, but man it's really hit an all time low. It's like we're introduced to some pretty cool ideas i.e. Future Hiro, Ando and Hiro future fight, Pa Petrelli, everyone getting powers etc. Not great ideas but kind of cool. And then those ideas are just abandoned and we're treated to the same old retreaded crap. Kring does not know how to write superheroes, and I'm pretty sure they don't have too many closed door fights in actual comic books.
Nathan is dead by Harold The Great	Apr 28th, 2009 12:45:53 PM
What the fuck are you people talking about. Dead as the dodo. They put Sylar to use because it suited their goals (the first interesting thing to happen to Sylar since season 1) and yes, he is going to be pissed. Brainwashed Sylar is the only reason I'll come back next season.
Fun Episode by bueno_bob	Apr 28th, 2009 01:01:41 PM
I don't really understand all the bitching about Heroes, frankly...having read the TB on Heroes for the last few weeks (and only registered today), I have to say that 90% of the bitching that goes on here about the story not making sense is silly...either you're not paying attention or are incapable of applying critical thinking of your own to the story and need it all spelled out for you in spoon-fed portions so that you can understand it simply. Heroes, for what problems it has (and I'll admit it does have it's fair share), is STILL better than 80% of EVERYTHING ELSE on television today. Of course, if Heroes is simply too "dumb" for you to watch anymore for entertainment purposes, you can always turn on the Tyra Banks show or Celebrity Apprentice or wait til you get force fed Jay Leno 5 nights a week. Regarding the season finale, it was a great cap off to a mixed season, full of excitement, interesting twists, temporary resolution (which is important to tide me over til next season), and frankly I enjoyed it a great deal. Moreover I'm not scared of being challenged on that opinion, nor am I chanting "Heroes sucks, I quit!" simply because it's apparently the sheep-driven fad thing to do around here. Definitely looking forward to seeing how next season pans out...thinking about what may happen if/when Sylar figures out he's been convinced to be Nathan will be very interesting - Zachary Quinto can either pursue a future in film or go back to Heroes whenever the mood strikes him or the story calls for it - frankly, it's a brilliant way to move the story forward with Sylar in it in spite of not having Quinto around to play him. It's also very possible that he might figure out he's Sylar, but be unable to actually change back into him because the majority of his brain is convinced that he's Nathan. It was already established that Nathan was induced with the same ability that Peter was given when they were both kids - Peter developed the empathy, but Nathan didn't. Ma Petrelli could very easily convince Nathan that he was, at last, finally starting to "show his potential" when/if Nathan starts demonstrating additional powers - hell, it took them quite a while to originally manifest for any of them, so why wouldn't it develop later? Everybody grows at different rates, so that'd make for a veyr plausible way to keep Sylar off of the secret that he's not actually himself. Excellent way to take the story. Overall grade for the episode: B
"super powered people fighting and fucking aliens for the whole by Big Jim	Apr 28th, 2009 01:05:08 PM
I've always thought Strikeforce Morituri would make a great TV show. For those not familiar, it's like V but with superheroes. The superheroes are just ordinary people who undergo a treatment to give them powers. The process is fatal and the heroes die within a year of getting their powers. You can fight the aliens to help save the world and be a hero but it is a suicide mission. It would be a great concept for TV. A cast that gets replaced every season, unless the aliens kill them first. And new recruits could join during the season so they would last at most until the middle of the next season, unless they aliens kill them first. And it is not exactly a year so some may expire sooner than a year, some later. And all the while they are working on a way to fix what makes the process fatal. But on the other hand, will audiences tune in to a show where they know the majority of the characters will be off the show by this time next year?
Haitian by mike1976	Apr 28th, 2009 01:35:03 PM
wouldn't the Haitian be better at a mind wipe than Parkman? Danko should have been killed already. hit by a bus like on Lost. weren't they going to incinerate the corpse of the original shapeshifter? i know noah stopped them at the furnace but you would think danko would have ordered it burned again after he framed noah.
someone needs to put a fork in it actually... by spiceybiscuit	Apr 28th, 2009 02:10:50 PM
look, the show has major major major issues. I was a huge fan but I am going to have to bail. Lazy writing, lazy story, lazy lazy lazy. They keep a show like this but won't keep a show as good as Life??? They won't revamp because NCB exec have their fat fingers in the fucked up mixture of that show. Too many heroes, same story line, same stupid plot every season
man, I've always defended... by OfficerJunior	Apr 28th, 2009 02:55:35 PM
... Heroes. But fuck, this is tough. What makes it more heartbreaking is you could see the influence Fuller had on previous eps. It's like he was MIA on the finale. My kids liked it though. That probably means I won't abandon Heroes for season 4. but fuck get it together.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWN NNN by harrys_site_sucks	Apr 28th, 2009 03:00:50 PM
Boring. Again no budget for a final showdown between Sylar and Peter. Just Clair looking thru a door crack with lights a flashing. Peeeee U!
Fucking hell. What a disappointment. by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 03:03:29 PM
Finally got around to watching the episode and, fuck me, that was epic fail pretty much all the way. I'm not even going to go into all the badness of that episode as everyone else has mentioned the billion or so plot holes. After the first season, I thought it was a pretty decent show with a poor final. I watched all of the second season because I loved the first one and figured that no tv show could possibly take such a steep dive in quality in such a short amount of time... I was wrong. However, I came back again for the third season because I'd already wasted my time with the first two and i'd heard they were going to fix all of the problems. I thought the first half ("Villains") was pretty decent and it gave me some hope. The second half ("Fugitives") started okay but seemed to get dumber and dumber. This episode (was that really a season final?!?!) made me see the light of day. Awful. Fucking awful. Okay, I said I wasn't going to mention any of the badness but I can't believe the whole 'Claire's blood' thing got swept under the carpet there. And, as someone else pointed out, how many fucking times can you kill the same character? Oh, that's right. Once per season. There's more chance of Danny Glover talking about his dickblood in an interview than me returning to this show next year.
peter by thisjediislost	Apr 28th, 2009 03:05:30 PM
so he basically cant ever touch a hero again or he will lose all of Sylar's powers. Guess he will now have to wear gloves and dye a white streak down his emo haircut. Hello Rogue minus the tits and southern accent.
Suggestions for a Heroes replacement please. by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 03:07:49 PM
I currently watch '24', 'Lost', 'Supernatural', 'Fringe' and will probably get into 'Caprica' after seeing the nifty pilot episode. If anyone else watches the same shows, please recommend another for me to replace the spot 'Heroes' is going to leave. P.S Already tried 'Chuck' and it wasn't for me. Not sure if it's still going but 'Reaper' wasn't my thing either.
Danny Glover talking about his dickblood in an interview by turketron_2	Apr 28th, 2009 03:10:15 PM
Holy shit, if I had been drinking something it would be all over my screen right now. Cheers.
Re: Replacement for Heroes: Dexter by turketron_2	Apr 28th, 2009 03:13:53 PM
There's been 3 seasons, and it returns in the fall on Showtime. Those first three shows you mentioned (especially the second two, I can't say the third because I'll probably get banned) are awesome genre shows. What the hell are we all going to do after next year once 24(probably), Lost, and SN are done for good? I've been thinking about getting into Burn Notice and Reaper.
CBTML by fain88	Apr 28th, 2009 03:25:34 PM
Eureka or Doctor Who/Torchwood? First two are a little on the 'lighter' side, but I find very entertaining. Breaking Bad's excellent as well. There was also a little British show called 'No Heroics'; only 6 eps, but they cracked my shit up. And yes, Dexter is all kinds of good, turketron (I won't put the _2, because I refuse to accept they actually booted you; fucking ridiculous, AICN).
some stupid complaints by itrainmonkeys	Apr 28th, 2009 03:34:45 PM
"use claire's blood to heal Nathan" - I haven't found it yet but some people on other boards stated that at some point in the web comics they stated that the healing blood can only be used once on a person. therefore HRG and Nathan can't have Claire's blood heal them again. "peter can't touch any other heroes or he'll lose Sylar's power" - sure he can.....there's a difference between just touching a hero and touching & absorbing a hero's power. i'm pretty sure he was touching claire after getting sylar's power. he probably has to activate the power or something. "sylar can't fly" - many theories on this one. he could have taken this power from nathan using empathy when he was knocked out.....or sylar took a flying ability from one of the many missions he went on as agent traub.....or maybe he just TKed his body in the air. think about it a little bit. they really should have shown some of that fight between the petrellis and sylar though.....watching claire's eye get flashing lights on it angered me
HoboCode by SilentGunman	Apr 28th, 2009 03:35:08 PM
Yes, it's a veritable forest down there. A preview of next season: Angela: Nathan, what are you doing with that snake? Nathan: I don't know Ma, I was just feeding it some beer. I don't know why, but I want to see if it would get all fucked up. Angela: Nathan, maybe you should get some rest. Nathan: I'm OK Ma, really........arrggh! Angela: Nathan!? (Nathan morphs) I knew a guy who could suck his own dick! To Be Continued........
I'm A Little Confused by SilentGunman	Apr 28th, 2009 03:47:31 PM
I thought people wanted characters to stay dead, but now everyone's complaining about not using Claire's blood to save Nathan. Can't have it both ways. This may sound crazy, but I think Heroes is a show that can work, provided the writing staff gets an overhaul. Not having a budget is something they can't control; that's on NBC. Crappy inconsistent writing? That's totally on the showrunners. I'm not surprised Kring is screwing things up. I've never been impressed with his work. If Dollhouse, maybe give Joss a call and let him fix things? Thoughts?
turketron_2 & fain88 by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 03:48:40 PM
I should have mentioned Doc Who in my post above. I downloaded the last three seasons and enjoyed them all. I tried Torchwood but i couldn't get into it for some reason. I've never watched Dexter or Eureka but will have a look at them both so thanks for the suggestions.
Peter only absorbed shape shifting by A for Aristocrat	Apr 28th, 2009 03:51:26 PM
He told Sylar "guess which power I took". It's kind of stupid. This season has been about watering things down because they dont have the talent or will to keep track of everyones powers. They took away time travel from Hiro and they watered down both Peter and Sylar. Unfortunately that makes things a little boring.
SilentGunman: An explanation by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 03:52:11 PM
Yeah, the audience DO want characters to stay dead. The problem is that you can't just establish a rule in your show and then break it because it suits your own purposes. It's a bit like having Jack Bauer suddenly finding himself able to fly. That would piss everyone off. But if an episode ended with Jack about to plummet to his death but holding onto a window ledge with one finger, the same pissed off people would demand to know why he suddenly wasn't flying.
itrainmonkeys by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 03:56:27 PM
"at some point in the web comics they stated that the healing blood can only be used once on a person. therefore HRG and Nathan can't have Claire's blood heal them again." Now that's a pretty good explanation. If they'd introduced that idea into the show (and not the webisodes), i'd have been much happier about the episode we just watched.
I was curious to see what the die hard fans were saying... by billypilgrimisunstuck	Apr 28th, 2009 04:58:23 PM
...so I went on a Heroes web board and for the most part, the same sentiment was shared. But of course, there were a few that were in denial. Here's one that pretty much sums up the intelligence level of these people: WELL DONE doobie FINALLY SOMEONE TOLD THE TRUE, THIS SHOW IS FREAKING GREAT AND THOSE WHO ALWAYS HAVE NEGATIVE FEED BACKS STOP WATCHING IT HEROES HAVE ENOUGHT FAN WE DONT NEED YOU!!!
Last night's House by wintocha67	Apr 28th, 2009 04:58:30 PM
was an homage to BSG and explained in the first few minutes how Head Six is merely a hallucinatory product of House's sub-conscious. If only Dr. Baltar had as much sense as Dr. House.
What's the appeal of HOUSE? by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 05:09:50 PM
I'm not bashing the show here by the way. I just can't see why it gets such a big audience.
Heroes is good. F the haters by Joker Gordon Levitt	Apr 28th, 2009 05:25:04 PM
Not great, but good. Season 2 left a lot of plates spinning out of control, and whoever's been writing season 3 has taken the reigns nicely. Still has its problems, but i find myself being so entertained, i don't look for them so much. And way to end it with the 6 weeks later, Ali Larter on her revenge tilt, and Nathan fixing the clock. Creepy stuff...
Who did they burn? by furry	Apr 28th, 2009 05:30:27 PM
They just run out back and make a life size sylar doll My god this show is lazy, I want this to happen so i'll just give somebody the power to make it happen, totally randomly out the blue
NO Heroes is HORRIBLE.... by SlickyVonBoner	Apr 28th, 2009 05:38:30 PM
I've held onto shows before,... hoping that they get better, but this is just pathetic. I've said it before, but why, WHY!?! why do they kill off all of the interesting secondary characters and keep bringing back these boring main characters. Nathan and Ali Later have died THREE TIMES each!!! It is no longer shocking to see them die anymore. Where is Papa Patrelli, Daphne, African Future-painter dude? Why can't any of THOSE characters get resets. This show is Hack Writing for Beginners 101. I am officially done! It is too painful to watch! Die Heroes, Die!
furry by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 28th, 2009 06:01:04 PM
It was the original shapeshifter who Sylar stole his powers from (he died whilst still in the shape of Sylar). Noah explained this in the last few minutes of the volume. One of the few non-plot holes in the episode.
Improvements by Maximixedone	Apr 28th, 2009 06:46:26 PM
How can you respect a bunch of writers that kill off the same character more than once and contiue to consider it drama? How do you respect a show that has the main characters act and react in the most absurd and unintelligent ways. Nathan and Peter confront Sylar with no plan other than to get Peter to touch him. 1) Sylar has telekinesis why didnt he just hold them still while killing both Peter and Nathan in his grasp. He has shown the ability to hold multiple objects/opponents in place in the past. 2) Claire can't be hurt why does everyone treat her like a fragile China Doll. 3) Precognition in the Heroes world is as useful as dime store fortune teller machine. Why even use this power when it fails to assist in any significant way. 4) Why doesn't Matt Parkman remember that Ando can help him amplify his powers and together they could resolve many of the plot points.
VegasRon! by Pennsy	Apr 28th, 2009 07:06:42 PM
You were sorely missed, even in this lost season. Welcome back, friend.
"What's the appeal of HOUSE?" by Big Jim	Apr 28th, 2009 07:31:26 PM
It's well written and acted. While each episode is basically stand-alone mystery of the week, they do still contain elements of multiple-episode story arcs usually pertaining to character development of the core characters. The last scene two weeks ago was a nice WTF ending, flowing into this week's episode which hi-lighted the darker side of House's psyche. It's popular because, for those who like to tune in now and again, and like shows that wrap up the mystery in one episode, the A-story is contained within the hour. But, for those of us who like ongoing story arcs, where what happened last week can inform what happens this week, it has that too.
Where's the HOUSE TB???? by wtriker1701	Apr 28th, 2009 08:44:24 PM

"The Appeal of House" by fain88	Apr 28th, 2009 09:06:40 PM
My answer would have been a bit more succinct: Hugh. Laurie. But Big Jim brings up some excellent points as well. And the Heroes finale was still not good (almost forgot what this TB was for...).
Heroes VS. Lost by wtriker1701	Apr 28th, 2009 09:14:32 PM
Time Travel? - Check! Nosebleeds during time travel? - Check! Dharmaville / Coyote Sands? - Check! 'Course coorect'? - Check! During season 1 of Heroes most TB'ers had the feeling, Heroes could match Lost with it's story arc. Well - that's then. Now look where they've come/gone from there. Their own hype caught up with them - and they weren't able to react properly. ('They' - The producers NOT the tb'ers!). I did like season 1 (save the last episode) AND most of season 2. At first season 3 appealed to me with the Petrelli father - but the producers didn't manage to hold that momentum for the whole season. Instead they killed Pa and suddenly no character 'development' made ANY sense anymore. It felt like there had been no author's room or 'season pitching' any longer. Anyone threw out an idea and wrote it - and there was no direction where to go. What a pity! Felt as ugly as BSG's 2nd half of season 4 (including the finale)! So LOST remains the most intelligent series EVER made! (That said as a very old STAR TREK fan!) Please, LOST-Producers, don't make me look stupid! I have faith!
Claire's healing blood... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 28th, 2009 09:24:18 PM
People aren't complaining that the show didn't use Claire's blood to heal Nathan. People are complaining that it appears that the characters have completely forgotten that Claire's blood can bring back the dead. However, it was revealed in one of the official Web comic stories that Claire's blood can only be used once on a person. That's an acceptable explanation, but the PROBLEM is that this fact has never been revealed on the TV show itself. THAT is the problem people are having with the finale where Nathan was killed off and no character addressed the possibility of using Claire's blood to revive him.
To clarify (more on Claire's blood)... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 28th, 2009 09:31:45 PM
Nathan was healed/fully restored with Adam's blood. Adam and Claire share the same kind of healing blood type. Although Claire's blood was not specifically used to heal Nathan the first time, her blood still could not be used to revive dead Nathan. It's not the specific person's blood that cannot be used more than one; it's the same specific magical healing blood type (that Claire and the late Adam share(d)) which can only be used once on a person.
In the scene in the limo by Bulla_11	Apr 28th, 2009 09:54:11 PM
Why did Sylar lost his shapeshifting when Peter touch him?
Why not kill Sylar? by Splatomat	Apr 28th, 2009 10:26:24 PM
I get brainwashing Sylar to mimic Nathan for the immediate effect. But after six weeks? Whenever he's finished 'smoothing things over' with the government they could easily drug him in his sleep and then concoct some kind of plane crash or automobile accident or another cover story so they could feed his body in a shredder and burn the remains. Why not kill off the most dangerous villain they've faced - one that has murdered flocks of metas and will go right back to doing that when he inevitably 'wakes up'? Angela's idiocy is remotely believable; she's clearly gone batshit at the loss of her eldest son. But Noah? That dude should fricking know better. He's had so many opportunities to kill Sylar and didn't take them. And what happens? Sylar torments his daughter and kills more people. Also...where is the Haitian? Did he go back to Haiti or something? (I honestly forgot, if it was ever shown) They had no problem using his power-drain ability to kill Future Peter, but when the same problem is occurring (uberpowered bad guy) in the present, they're stymied. Finally, Claire watching through the door was as bad as Dohinder holding back the door when Future Sylar was fighting Future Peter. Lamesauce.
Stupid stupid stupid! by filmstu2005	Apr 28th, 2009 10:29:08 PM
S1 was good except the Season 1 finale. It was cool. Season 2 did have an interesting story, it just had one problem. STUPID CHARACTERS. EVERYONE was acting idiotically, inconsistent with what was originally established. Hiro stayin in the past forever, Adam's unsuspenseful agenda, Peter with amnesia and the box, Nikki and dead DL, the telemundo twins, Matt Parkman forgetting all about his family at home, Mohinder, and even St. Joan Copycat. But the story was still fresh and interesting, just horribly planned out. Season 3 came along and we just had shitty shitty shitty story the whole way. Nothing was planned well. ALL The characters were stupid. And suddenly I just didnt give a flying fuck anymore. Get back to SMART characters and SMARTLY written scenes, and then we'll talk...
Stupid stupid stupid! by filmstu2005	Apr 28th, 2009 10:31:35 PM
S1 was good except the Season 1 finale. It was cool. Season 2 did have an interesting story, it just had one problem. STUPID CHARACTERS. EVERYONE was acting idiotically, inconsistent with what was originally established. Hiro stayin in the past forever, Adam's unsuspenseful agenda, Peter with amnesia and the box, Nikki and dead DL, the telemundo twins, Matt Parkman forgetting all about his family at home, Mohinder, and even St. Joan Copycat. But the story was still fresh and interesting, just horribly planned out. Season 3 came along and we just had shitty shitty shitty story the whole way. Nothing was planned well. ALL The characters were stupid. And suddenly I just didnt give a flying fuck anymore. Get back to SMART characters and SMARTLY written scenes, and then we'll talk...Too bad the writers have the capacity of 1st graders.
Not THAT bad by Scuzzy	Apr 28th, 2009 10:39:26 PM
For a show that I was ready to leave for completely dead 8 weeks ago at least they showed some life in the last few episodes. The finale was better than every episode of Season 2, and better than all but one or two episodes this season. At least they're showing some balls and starting to string together some consistent characterizations. How the hell have they taken Hiro and Ando from being one of the bright spots of the first year and reduced them to bringing the program to a halt every time they've been on screen since though? The show's still a long ways from great again, but I would rate the finale as a bright spot. If they cop out of this in the first handful of episodes in season 4 stick a fork in this thing.
Why is it do hard to be consistent and logical?!? by aversiontherapy2	Apr 28th, 2009 10:52:19 PM
This show sets so many rules in its world, then ignores them when it's dramatically convenient. It's weak writing and insulting to the audience. Nosedive.
The show's budget... by filmstu2005	Apr 28th, 2009 11:04:27 PM
Is actually over the top compared to most shows, and its surprising they still havent done a good job with special F/x. Bryan Fuller said the show had a KILLER budget and that he had spent less money on his own show Pushing Daisies. The writers of Heroes or producers were really overloading the budget and NBC wasnt having it, so Fuller reduced the budget, trying to show them that "quality" was better than the quantity. They should spend the money wisely per episode, saving most of it for volume/season finales and build up a decent storyling first.
wasn't this the original ending of Terminator Salvation? by neal2zod	Apr 28th, 2009 11:09:36 PM
seriously, something seemed familiar about the hero-dying/body switching-to-keep-up-morale ending, and then I realized this was the aborted ending to T4, wasn't it?
The disgruntled Heroes viewer's drinking game. by Amy Chasing	Apr 28th, 2009 11:22:21 PM
To make Heroes watchable, have a drink when: Hiro throws his arms up and yells "Success!" in Japanese. A dead character comes back to life. A character does something out of character. Anyhicthink elsh?
Ando + Hiro = Future Hiro by dailysportspages	Apr 28th, 2009 11:26:25 PM
Hiro inadvertently makes Ando vanish with his increasingly erratic time stopping powers and vows never to manipulate time again. Instead he honors Ando by growing a sack and becoming a real superhero via his latent Samurai skills. He is helped by the fact that a little piece of Ando's soul merged with his own during the time stopping accident. Ando's power is infused into Hiro's body, supercharging his Samurai skills and even emitting short bursts of red lightning from his sword.
1st season ender sucked. 3rd season ender was horrible. by hellnback	Apr 28th, 2009 11:40:36 PM
man what the hell? i was expecting a huge beat down and instead we get a door slamming shut with a bunch of loud noises and bright lights and then nothing. what? we don't even see the fight. then nathan apprantly gets killed but gets replaced by sylar. this is stupid. what needs to be done is someone needs to get the scene where just as the door shuts, they edit in the kung fu fight scene from chuck. this would at least make it appear that some type of fight took place. it was a let down. heroes has me upset. i'm starting to think maybe i just finally leave this show.
I left after the eclipse seen around the world. by G8kpr	Apr 28th, 2009 11:54:27 PM
The fact that it was seen everywhere at once, and lasted a few hours just made me throw up my hands and say "enough!" I am SO glad that I don't watch this show any more I am surprised that people still do, a friend of mine says he watches it from time to time, because his wife likes it. He says it still sucks, and gave me a run down of the lame lame things going on. I said "dude, just turn it off". It's hard to believe that a show of this magnitude of suckage is still on the air, and gathering viewers. Of all the people I know that were really into this show when it started, none watch it anymore (except said friend above). I was at a party once just after the dismal Season 2. And this couple argued with me as to how GREAT Heroes was, and how poor Lost was. They said Lost was going no where, and HEROES was going to be this great show, even though the second season didn't do so well. But just wait and you'll see, they said. They equated Lost to being just another "Twin Peaks" where they'll keep dangling a carrot in front of you. I'd much rather them dangle a carrot, then throw shit at me. I have to contact the host of that party and see if these idiots still think HEROES is the bees knees.
The One Thing by fain88	Apr 28th, 2009 11:58:11 PM
that still bugs me (I haven't delved into problems I had with the finale, as mostly every one of them has already been mentioned)-- So have they COMPLETELY abandoned the original concept of what Ando's power does? He was a super-charger, increasing the power of powers in others, right? Now he just blasts 'Crimson Arcs' (get what Hiro meant when he said 'feminine undertones'? It's a period blood joke! Tee-Hee!). Has that been addressed at all, the fact his power just...changed? Anybody? That's bugging me like Pete's Irish girlfriend.
Another thing that bugged me by G8kpr	Apr 29th, 2009 02:38:05 AM
A few posts above they were saying "why don't they kill sylar" I've been wanting this since season 1. They've retconned his background several times, and expect us to believe it's all one story (but nothing fits). One episode in the Villians arc (just before I dumped it) had Sylar team up with Claires father. There is one scene where him and the Haitian are standing outside of Sylar's cell, and the Haitian says. "Am I being replaced?" HRG says: "Only for the moment, until I can figure out his weakness and kill him" (or something to that extent.) Ummm, hello.. Haitian right there, stops powers from occuring, take out your gun and KILL HIM NOW!!!! It's THAT kind of lazy writing that I just can't stand. It's not like it's some fan boy nitpicking some little vague factoid. This is a major inconsistency. The Haitians powers are WELL documented up to this point. It's an obvious solution, one that they've utilized before. Except it's convenient for them to forget about it. That drives me nuts. And so does this entire show, nothing makes any sense.
The Irish Lass by G8kpr	Apr 29th, 2009 02:41:39 AM
They STILL haven't resolved that yet? WTF is wrong with these writers???
This show sucks by Razorback	Apr 29th, 2009 03:26:42 AM
I abandoned it halfway through this season (should have done it earlier) and just watched the finale to see if it got any better. Terrible shit. How anyone continues to tune in is beyond me. This and Parks and Recreation are two of the worst shows on TV.
Before any episode of Heroes... by Amy Chasing	Apr 29th, 2009 03:58:43 AM
Have a drink for every plot-hole and then play "the disgruntled Heroes viewer's drinking game". Why should the writers obviously drink all the booze.
heroes suck SUPERNATURAL RULES! by muri71	Apr 29th, 2009 04:00:02 AM

Before any episode of Heroes... by Amy Chasing	Apr 29th, 2009 04:00:41 AM
Have a drink for every plot-hole and then play "the disgruntled Heroes viewer's drinking game". Why should the writers obviously drink all the booze.
want to drive yourself mad? visit the 9thwonders forum by turketron_2	Apr 29th, 2009 07:53:16 AM
9thwonders.com, the official Heroes discussion forum is the biggest collection of delusional Heroes plothole apologists on the net. A few of them finally realize what a pile of shit this show has become after watching the season 3 finale, but if you read some of the shit in the previous episode threads you'll be bashing your head against the keyboard.
Cancel this show by American Mythos	Apr 29th, 2009 09:12:36 AM
I loved season one. Season two sucked, but I watched it all. I only made it to episode 3 of season 3. I couldn't go on after that. It was like being addicted to some really good coke that, as I kept buying it, kept getting mixed with more and more baby laxative until baby laxative was all there was. I had to turn my life around. So I quit cold turkey. I even sold my season one DVD set on Amazon for $13.00 - Hey AICN, does that mean I get money from Amazon, too?
lol by bueno_bob	Apr 29th, 2009 09:39:33 AM
I hate Heroes! It totally sucks! I'm not watching it ever again! But I'll be sure to tune in for each new episode so that I can bitch about it online! lmao...tools.
G8kpr by theGoldbergV	Apr 29th, 2009 10:02:29 AM
Yes! Finally! Someone who gets it. The Haitian with a gun is the most powerful character on the show, but the writers are too retarded to ACTUALLY USE the concepts they've introduced already, instead they just shift focus onto the next plot like an ADD afflicted toddler. Not watched Heroes for a while, not going back based on this talkback.
"Anyone threw out an idea and wrote it " by Big Jim	Apr 29th, 2009 10:13:21 AM
That's been my theory too. Writers are assigned episodes having only a wafer-thin outline of the overall season arc to work within. And no one talks to anyone else creating discrepancies and whiplash character turnarounds from episode to episode. "I'd much rather them dangle a carrot, then throw shit at me." G8kpr, that has to be one of the best, most accurate, yet succinct arguments for Lost against Heroes. Ok, they mentioned in the web comics that a person can only be healed once by magic blood but did they say why? That to me is a huge problem with Heroes. Rules are created to fit circumstances or, more accurately, to plug plot-holes with no explanation behind them. At least Stan Lee would make shit up - Cosmic Rays, Unstable Molecules, Ruby Quartz, etc. to at least pretend there was a reason behind why stuff happened the way it did. Regardless, how hard would it have been for them to write an extra 10 seconds of dialogue? Noah: "Claire's blood, we can use it to heal him like it did me." Angela: "No, he was injected with Adam's blood last year. His body is now immune to its rejuvenating powers. It won't work." Sure, it doesn't explain it but for the TV audience we see that they are at least acknowledging it and not seemingly ignoring it.
Finally watched the finale with my wife by SilentGunman	Apr 29th, 2009 10:44:50 AM
Not great, but not as much of a letdown as the first season finale. 1. They destroyed the shapeshifter who looked like Sylar. What did they do with Nathan (the real one)'s body? I hope someone destroyed it too, because it might seem strange that a U.S. Senator is alive and well, yet his corpse is in a morgue somewhere. Better get on that, Noah. 2. Was Sylar using telekinesis to puppet Claire, or has he now stolen Doyle's power? 3. As my wife pointed out, why force Sylar to be Nathan at all? Peter can change his shape and impersonate his brother (and probably do a better job of it than Sylar, since he knows him better) to shut down Bldg. 26. Then you can decapitate Sylar and have Peter (as Nathan) announce his retirement from public service. 4. So Sylar can deduce from cufflinks that Nathan graduated from Annapolis, but doesn't know that Nathan is a lefty? Oops. Kring needs to go away, or at least stop writing season finales. Let Fuller handle it.
Haven't watched any of Volume 4. by Amy Chasing	Apr 29th, 2009 11:39:23 AM
But have been reading the comics on the Heroes site. Some have quite nice artwork. The recent issue (135) also seems to give a nice summary of the finale. Let me know if volume 5 is any good as it seems I don't need to watch 4 at all now.
BSG & The Final Five by Big Jim	Apr 29th, 2009 12:31:35 PM
It bugged me that the Cylons also referred to them as "The Final Five". Why final? Final suggests stages where this is the last one. It makes sense for the humans who were discovering them one at a time. Was this also true of the Cylons? "Hey, I'm a Cylon and you, who I just met are one too. And that guy over there, no the guy beside him, is also a Cylon. That makes 3, I wonder if there are more. Oh, there's another one. How about that?" Final Five as a term for that group made sense from a human point of view but sounded stupid whenever the Cylons said it. How hard would it have been for the Cylons to simply refer to them as "The Five"?
ICE AGENT by theGoldbergV	Apr 29th, 2009 01:53:45 PM
The Shield is better than the Wire? On what planet? I used to love The Shield, then I saw the Wire, between seasons 4 and 5 of The Shield, after that I just couldn't watch that show anymore. Its just "so TV" compared to The Wire, which is the best programme I've ever seen by a mile. Its got a cast of like 50 characters, and each of them is superbly defined. And Lost is great, but I don't remember any BSG episode as bad as Jack getting his tatoos or that shitty one where Jin had a flashback, Sun had a flashforward and the writers just dicked about with us for an hour. I think LOST is brilliant in places, but its got nothing on BSG.
I don't get the terrible bashing HEROES gets! by AsimovLives	Apr 29th, 2009 02:23:41 PM
Sure, none of the series that came after were as strong as the first, but then again, the first is an excelent series. It's very, very, very good. A little drop in quality and you treat it like it had fallen to the pitts of hell! Which hasn't.
AsimovLives by Lloytron	Apr 29th, 2009 02:58:45 PM
A little drop in quality? Season 1 was fantastic but each series has been worse than the last. When watching season 1 I was intruiged. It had a great storyline, some nicely rounded characters and a sense of wonder. Season 2 was boring for the most part and ended just as it started picking up. Season 3 was just awful, and had characters doing things that their season 1 counterparts would never have done. Season 4 has been utterly terrible, although the Fuller episode was great. Face it, that episode was almost an apology to the loyal fans. If they can't keep up the quality then they should can it.
Big Jim re: Final Five by the__natural74	Apr 29th, 2009 03:11:32 PM
I think the Final Five were called that by the Cylons themselves. Not the humans. The "final five" was a spiritual legend to their original models, unknown even to them. I think the humans found out about the final five along the way.
Wire vs. Shield by the__natural74	Apr 29th, 2009 03:23:28 PM
What a horrible question, because I love both shows. ICE_AGENT: The Shield never slowed down, and was amazing until the end. But I have to say The Wire is my true love. If I'm lost on a desert island, with a TV, DVD player and electricity, and I only have the choice of one tv show to watch the rest of my life, it's The Wire. Simply the greatest bit of entertainment created...for me anyway! I can totally see how The Shield could be somebody's top pick...can't disagree with you!
Wire is better than the Shield; BSG is better than Lost... by Pdorwick	Apr 29th, 2009 03:42:33 PM
...'nuff said.
the__natural74, the humans knew there were 12 models by Big Jim	Apr 29th, 2009 03:48:22 PM
and were able to recognize 7, leaving a "final" five to be discovered. If the Cylons saw them as "a spiritual legend to their original models" wouldn't then they be called The First Five? I'm not being a dick, it just always sounded overly expositional to me. Or like they felt the audience was too dumb to realize that the group of five the Cylons were discussing were the same "Final Five" whose identities the fanboys have, since season 2, been wondering about.
re: Final Five by the__natural74	Apr 29th, 2009 04:02:31 PM
Big Jim: Good point, I see what you mean. Didn't think you were a dick, was just thinking the term came from the Cylons themselves. But you're right, why the frak were they the "final" five?! So the name came from the humans, and if I remember the Cylons themselves weren't allowed to talk about the five, and were even programmed to NOT think about them. Maybe they started using the human's "final" reference because they didn't know what else to say? They knew about the "Temple Of Five", so I'm with you...if they called them the "final five" that was stupid!
ICE AGENT by theGoldbergV	Apr 29th, 2009 04:29:00 PM
Yeah okay, I'll admit I can't fully comment on The Shield because after s5 I only dipped in occasionally. The point at which I started to give up on it was around when Forrest Ghost Dog came up, there's an ep with a plot point about chewing gum (can't remember exactly, something to do with Forrest) where I remember thinking, that type of writing has no place on the Wire, and as good as the show was, I realised I was starting to lose interest. Its a shame because I really liked the first 3 seasons, but thought the steam started running out during s4. Its a show where it seemed to just go on maybe a season too long. Just my opinion though. As for LOST, I'll agree that it is better plotted than BSG, but the characters don't come close. By the finale, I really cared what happened to Tigh, Tyrol, the Adamas, etc. Can't really say the same for Lost, the characters on the roster now are much better, but people like Shannon, Boone, Charlie, Kate and somewhat Sayid, are just not well drawn enough for me. With BSG, even the lesser episodes (Woman King, Hero) have moments of greatness in them, whereas with LOST sometimes its just a toal misfire. Although I'll admit that if the first 3 seasons were as high quality as these last 2 then my opinion of the two shows would be similar.
A 'toal misfire' by theGoldbergV	Apr 29th, 2009 04:30:58 PM
its a new phrase. Meant 'total'.
AshOK by theGoldbergV	Apr 29th, 2009 05:34:44 PM
No.
bueno_bob by LouisCedar	Apr 29th, 2009 06:45:03 PM
Me too man, I'm done with heroes, that show sucks dude I'm totally out, this show is so shitty, it's so bad, it's just utter crap. I mean, it's totally awful dude, so awful that I'm going to watch every single episode next season so I can bitch about it here. Because honestly, the show isn't THAT bad, but if I didn't bitch about everything then I'd be forced to realize how crappy my life is and I'd probably have to kill myself. So yeah. No more heroes for me. So does this mean I'm a supercoolinternethipster now like you guys? pleasepleaseplease? toolbags.
I thought they were called the Final Five because... by Amy Chasing	Apr 29th, 2009 08:05:38 PM
When Baltar was the lone human on the Cylon BaseStar he said to the hybrid (while in the company of Six and Xena) there something like "we have seen 7 models and have been told there are 12, so what about the rest? Who are the final five?". That, if I remember correctly, was the first use of that term in the show. It made sense for the humans to say final five because of the order in which they were having Cylons revealed to them, and it also makes sense for the Cylons to call them that because they only knew about 8 models (one being boxed) and yet they knew there were 13 so to them the unknown five were the final five for them to meet. ... I think...
what a frustrating show by OfficerJunior	Apr 29th, 2009 08:12:52 PM
Heroes is a lot like Britney Spears, she used to sooo hot, you know she could be hot again, maybe get off drugs, go back to school, work out a little, get some proactive, dump Tim Kring, but no, every chance at redemption gets blown all to hell and you end up weeping for what might have been.
Now thats what I call a plothole by drewlicious	Apr 29th, 2009 08:29:56 PM
Seriously, the simplest solution is just to use some of Claire's blood. Now if Sylar set Nathans body gloriously ablaze then you'd have something. Too bad, the idea of Sylar masquearding as Nathan isn't bad one. In fact its so perverse it could make for some good drama, especially whenever Zachary Quinto comes back and Sylar starts to wake up. Whatever...I'm officially done. It's just too impossibly stupid for words.
Speaking of waking up by drewlicious	Apr 29th, 2009 08:34:13 PM
Wouldn't the Haitian accidentally wake him up once he negates his powers just by being in proximity?
Idea of dailysportspages is intriguing by squarebird	Apr 29th, 2009 10:29:08 PM
I think that really would work as a way to get Hiro logically to cool-Hiro. Oh, and a few of you have mentioned implausibilities in Heroes .. really, that CANNOT compare to the implausibility of the entire BSG concept that a million years ago in a galaxy far far away they have cell phones and automobiles and apartment decor and political correctness that is exactly like that of year 2010 Northeastern United States. 24 arbitrarily puts in lakes under the under the White House when needed as a plot device And don't get me started on LOST - Gilligan's Island minus the charm of Gilligan. Heroes still has the best chance of changing into the smart science fiction we've hoped for. Let's just get it into next season.
I don't understand the love for Lost??? by ckone	Apr 30th, 2009 03:11:28 AM
They completely built up all these new characters in S2, and the retconned them to nothingness for now apparant reason, they NEVER EVER just answer any of the loonnng ass lingering questions and plot holes...and to me , the whole thing about them actually having and end date just means that they can do whatever the hell they want just as long as it somewhat fits their illogical logic, which they completely negate almost on a weekly basis. But yet I still watch...hmmmmmm
Well, ckone... by fain88	May 2nd, 2009 04:42:59 AM
for one, the new character introduced in Lost during S2 were all outed for a 'real life' reason (I'm assuming you're talking about the Tailers here). Mr. Eko didn't want to live in Hawaii anymore and wanted to shoot another film in his homeland, Ana Lucia had 4 (count 'em, FOUR) DWIs, and Libby had a pilot for another show (which unfortunately didn't go anywhere...). Cindy the stewardess is still hanging around (we just don't know where yet), and Bernard's in the finale of this season. As for looonnng ass lingering questions...that's what the show's about! The mystery! If you had all the answers right away, why would you want to watch anymore? If we knew who the killer was in the first twenty pages of 'Murder on the Orient Express' or 'Then There Were None...', what's the fun of reading the rest of the story? Having an ending date for the show, just leads us to think the showrunners know what they're doing and have and ending set up (ABC wanted them to go on a LOT further, but they fought for a 'self-cancellation', as they felt in S2 and S3 they were already spinning their wheels...a point when many people on these forums got frustrated and quit the show, I might add). squarebird, I've heard you make the Gilligan's Island comparison many times...but that's all you've ever said, apart from it being about people shipwrecked (in some form or another) on an island. I'm wondering...WHY is it like GI? By that reasoning, is 'Cast Away' just Gilligan's Island with one person? Is 'Lord of the Flies' Gilligan's Island with kids? I'll go ahead an point it out. Problems I had with the Heores' finale? Peter had Sylar's shapeshifting powers; why couldn't HE impersonate Nathan and 'fix' things? Why did they allow a mass murderer to take on the visage of a US Senator? Sure, Mama Petrelli was distraught and wanted her son back...but even in the preview for Vol.5, she was seeing it wasn't sticking. And why in the world would Noah go along with this, let alone endorse it, when he's long preached he'd KILL Sylar DEAD if given half the chance? What about Hiro and Ando's non-ending to their 'story'..."Well. Time to got home, Ando." And they're OUT! No explination, no reason. Not to mention Mama Petrelli's EXTREME over-acting at dead Nathan with her Vader-in-RotS-like 'NOOOOOO!!'. I could go on, but a lot of these things have already been mentioned in this TB. Don't get me wrong; I've been pulling for Heroes for a while. I really want an original 'Superpowered' show to do well on network TV. I just want it to be good and make sense, too. PS: Any thoughts on why Ando's power has either just flat-out changed or that the original application has been ignored like Peter's Irish girlfriend?
heroes is the best show on tv by VonThunderballs	May 2nd, 2009 07:00:00 PM
every other show is pure shit. lost was always crap. i could wipe my ass with reel of tape and make a better show.
Lost is G.I. by squarebird	May 9th, 2009 04:44:32 PM
Because, like Gilligan's Island, you know they will not get rescued at the end of the episode, no matter what, thus no real suspense other than - oh, how are they going to blow it this time.

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