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‘I’ve Got To End It!!’
Penultimate HEROES!!

Blech ... by heroic_duo	Apr 20th, 2009 01:46:38 AM
Heroes pretty much sucks and makes no sense anymore.
There have been massive improvments by Mr Cairo	Apr 20th, 2009 01:46:51 AM
so i hope it will continue t the end of this season They still need to kill off a few more of the cast though
I still haven't watched last week's. by Shermdawg	Apr 20th, 2009 02:20:23 AM
I should get on that.
Rick Roll'd by BewareOfDogPoo	Apr 20th, 2009 02:41:05 AM
this show become an abortion after season 1 ended. If you still enjoy it you have major problems. please do the rest of the world a favor and stop watching it so it can reach even lower ratings and die. thanks.
Rick Astley had your mom by BewareOfDogPoo	Apr 20th, 2009 02:48:54 AM
It became an abortion too. true story.
Shermdawg by jaymrobinson	Apr 20th, 2009 02:57:36 AM
Last week's episode was really bad.
God this season is taking forever to finish... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 20th, 2009 02:58:46 AM
Am I the only one who feels this season has been totally drawn out? HEROES is a strong argument that most shows should not have more than 13 episodes per season.
RE: Prof. Pop-Cult by Onyx390	Apr 20th, 2009 03:27:40 AM
That's a really unfair generalization to make. Don't use shows as inconsistent as Heroes to make that argument.
Nope the change in writers hasnt helped. by wowsah156	Apr 20th, 2009 03:52:44 AM
Heroes has just lost its potential. Still no Copycat. Still no better use of CGI. Still no better use of extended characters. Still stuck in the same rut with Sylar and HRG. The writing is going around in circles. Heroes needs put out of its misery and cancelled.
Predictable. by V'Shael	Apr 20th, 2009 04:49:21 AM
Nathan will claim that he was impersonated by Sylar, and that he can't really fly, (that was Sylar) and they'll put the genie back in the bottle and hit that giant red reset button.
What an ironic title by The McPoyle Clan	Apr 20th, 2009 05:08:09 AM
Who is Sylar? Does anybody, including Kring, know?
Dartboard Storytelling by ooggbboo	Apr 20th, 2009 05:29:51 AM
>Am I the only one who feels this >season has been totally drawn out? It seems long because we've had 15 awful, boring, incomprehensible storylines all struggling to catch our interest. It's like the Taco Bell of network television; 20 different menu options, all indigestible.
sylar has "an unexpected identity crisis" by cohjam	Apr 20th, 2009 05:57:55 AM
oh! an unexpected one this time.
I don't know why I still watch.... by BangoSkank	Apr 20th, 2009 06:51:33 AM
So much squandered potential. Half the showers I really enjoy are likely to get the ax, and yet this turd continues to float.
This show is an unflushable. by V'Shael	Apr 20th, 2009 07:12:18 AM
No matter how much it continues to stink up the joint.
The only part I've really enjoyed this year by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 20th, 2009 07:24:04 AM
..is Parkman going batshit crazy and telepathing the SWAT guys into shooting the shit out of each other. Could have been cool to see him go down the dark path, but no... they had to go and give him a fucking baby with touch & go powers so he can go all i-wuv-you-little-me. Fuck.
Hopefully we won't have any arguments over by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 07:24:29 AM
'(fill in latin word here) ultimate. ;) I think for just about everyone concerned that this season can't end soon enough.
TOUCH AND GO BABY GOTTA EAT. by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 07:26:44 AM

TOUCH AND GO BABY GOTTA EAT. by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 07:26:44 AM

Oops...sorry about that... by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 07:27:22 AM
And needs to be fed and changed, while he's at it.
Herc, Sylar doesn't have Radioactive Man's powers... by turketron	Apr 20th, 2009 07:37:54 AM
Just thought I'd say it before the apologists for this show come in pissing and moaning. He lost those when he lost all his powers in season 2. Now, why he managed to go nuclear in the flash to the future last fall is beyond me. I think they said in one of those retarded "Beyond the Eclipse" Q&A's that he probably took them from another person with radioactive powers...ugh. Sylar having an identity crisis? YAWN YAWN, FUCKIN YAWN.
HEROES?! by Dead_Geek	Apr 20th, 2009 08:03:36 AM
It's still on the air? I thought it was cancelled. Oh, that was a dream I had.
I don't know if Heroes is fixable anymore by vorlonkosh	Apr 20th, 2009 08:20:14 AM
All these flashback episodes, re-writing characters pasts, idiotic coincidences and artificial plot twists (identical twins, I'm your father, and I'm your mother, too, and she's my sister, I'm evil, now I'm good, now I'm evil again, blah, blah)has destroyed this show. I think they need to do a Bobby Ewing on the last 2 seasons, and start fresh after the Exploding Man episode. Really, do we care anymore about where these characters came from? We had enough backstory in Season 1, we don't need anymore. All the writers are trying to do with these damn flashbacks is create relationships between characters that didn't exist, and were never intended to exist. Let's move forward, or not at all. I'm still hoping for the Bobby Ewing fix, however.
A mock 2009-10 schedule floating around by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 08:36:51 AM
has Heroes returning at midseason, and on Sundays at 8PM. So it would be against Extreme Makeover and Cold Case. With Dateline as a lead-in, it looks like the end is nigh.
Pennsy by TheRocker	Apr 20th, 2009 09:04:26 AM
I don't see that happening somehow
You haters are insane by ebrown2112	Apr 20th, 2009 09:16:40 AM
The last few eps have been amazing. Stop whining.
by candafilm	Apr 20th, 2009 09:20:27 AM
Last week's episode sucked. I am enjoying the current season despite that however. I'll wait until the end of the season before passing judgment though.
Sylar's Identity Crisis... by Pogue__Mahone	Apr 20th, 2009 09:38:07 AM
So... he's having trouble differentiating between his own persona and those of people he's absorbed? AWESOME! I've never seen that before. Oh. Wait. I have. Rogue had that exact same problem in X-Men and Jericho is having that same problem over in Titans. Original is something that Heroes is NOT! It's shown some improvements - I TOTALLY dug the stealing socks reference from last weeks episode that was dropped waaaaaaay back in the very first episode ever - but they need to start fresh. Clean the slate. And get writers who can create well crafted INTELLIGENT comic type stories (they exist!) with characters that evolve and act like normal people would... not 'good guy' one week... then back to 'bad guy' the next. It's like a car wreck. My friends and I sit and mock it every week yet we can't turn away. Um... not that we mock car wrecks - but you know what I mean.
It is a crime... by adam_worth	Apr 20th, 2009 09:50:56 AM
...that this show is still on and there is talk of ending TSCC
"The last few eps have been amazing." by AshokZero	Apr 20th, 2009 10:16:19 AM
Yeah, if you mean LOST or Supernatural.
Nothing Can Save This Abysmal Show by coffeeandpie	Apr 20th, 2009 10:17:43 AM
I don't think anything will end the misery of watching this show until NBC cancels it. Last weeks episode? Unbearable. The writing hasn't improved and the characters still have no depth or motivation aside from the week-to-week assignments given to them by the insipid writers.
Here comes the parade of haters.... by thecomedian	Apr 20th, 2009 10:20:21 AM
Yaaaawn. Seriously, why are you still watching if you hate this show and it sucks so much? Because you wuuuuuv this show but you've gotta follow all the cool kids and shit on it. You're all a bunch of tools.
stop the embarrassment by altoandando	Apr 20th, 2009 10:37:56 AM
get this show off the air and put everyone involved with it on 5 years of creative probation. KILL IT WITH FIRE it is an affront to us all.
stop the embarrassment by altoandando	Apr 20th, 2009 10:37:57 AM
get this show off the air and put everyone involved with it on 5 years of creative probation. KILL IT WITH FIRE it is an affront to us all.
Pretty bad when... by mrfan	Apr 20th, 2009 10:38:40 AM
the commercials bore me. Glad I gave up on this show some time ago.
Reset Button by sharkboy_shellyeah	Apr 20th, 2009 10:47:44 AM
I'll be the first to admit the beginning of this season ate balls. Personally they should bring in a true comic book writer to turn this thing around. Geoff Johns would be my pick 'I mean if that guy can get you to give a shit about the Flash i'd love to see him take a run at this show. And to the dickfaces whining about TSCC, that show was fucked as soon as David Silver showed up, if i wanted to watch horrible 90210 actors i'd probabley just wait for that asshole to just show up on the new show. Oh wait , nobody watches that shit either. Quit hijacking the TB to bitch about that piece of shit.
I made the comparison by fain88	Apr 20th, 2009 10:48:12 AM
to a friend that Heroes is like nerd flypaper. The same way magpies are attracted to shiny objects, nerds are attracted to superpowers (or hell, anything in the sci-fi/fantasy genre; for me I'm a comic nerd, so superpowers just sort of exemplify that). Pogue's comparison to a car wreck is apt, but even more-so since the car wreck was caused by a dude flying by shooting lasers out of his eyes. So for that reason alone I'm sticking with it at least through the season. I thought the characterization was spot on and really tied some old threads together last episode...but it's the drifting plotlines that are still bugging me. Last episode we finally got the Petrelli family together with Suresh, working for one cause (and did I make this up or were Hiro, Ando and Parkman headed for Coyote Sands, too? I kept waiting for them to show up...). But by the end, Mohinder's off again, following some other story thread that'll most likely keep him seperated in some other random plot thread. I can see the writers working to turn this around, I just wish we could get a central story arc that actually involved all the main characters in the show.
THREAD by fain88	Apr 20th, 2009 10:58:26 AM
Didn't use it quite enough in my last post. Heh. Also, I know people have been complaining that the show basically just riffs on X-Men, but the concept of a super-team as a family introduced last episode screams shades of Fantastic Four. It'll be nice to get some fresh ideas in there, and perhaps that's how they can centralize (is that word?) the plot.
better, but let's face it . . . by seteger	Apr 20th, 2009 11:16:25 AM
. . . Heroes suffers from existing in the same television space as Lost, BG, etc. Heroes isn't some big, deep, dramatic classic. It's pulp. It can be fun, it can be crap, but it's had enough good moments to make it worth watching. Like Smallville.
Turketron by nicegoogly	Apr 20th, 2009 11:27:40 AM
Sylar got the radioactive powers in the end of season one. He attacked the SWAT van that had the white trash guy with the nuclear power was found upside down in the truck with the top of his skull cut off. For once, this was not the usual retconning bullshit this show usually does. Great, Sylar with an identity crisis is like Peter with amnesia. How many fuckin' sharks does this show have to jump?
"I Am Sylar"... by GOB Adama	Apr 20th, 2009 11:35:13 AM
Quinto plays Sylar and also Spock... Nemoy wrote "I Am Not Spock" only to eventually write "I Am Spock"... Is this what passes as funny over at "Heroes", these days?
nicegoogly by fain88	Apr 20th, 2009 11:39:32 AM
Yes, but Sylar also lost all of his powers in S2, only to regain his 'Clockwork' vision of the world and telekinesis in the teaser for S3. So, no radioactive man powers anymore.
re: nicegoogly (thanks fain88) by turketron	Apr 20th, 2009 11:54:03 AM
Yes, I'm well aware of how Sylar got radioactive man's powers. I also know that he lost them along with all of his other powers in season 2, and regained telekinesis and intuitive aptitude, and has since been building a new skillset.
Kill off Sylar already! And keep him dead. by DrPain	Apr 20th, 2009 11:57:09 AM
this character is becoming as much fun as watching Lex Luthor plot and plan to destroy Superman for the millionth time over.
Tips cap to Dr. Pain by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 12:06:55 PM
Amen to that; he should've been killed off in the first season finale.
by The_Observer	Apr 20th, 2009 12:40:47 PM

loved their explanation to how sylar surived the fire by turketron	Apr 20th, 2009 12:59:32 PM
"The glass melted". I know the explanation was delivered by Noah Bennett (how the hell would he know?) but come on, assuming this is truly how Sylar survived it's fucking stupid. With the glass in his head, all powers (including regen) are apparently halted. Glass (and in this case, glass that was used to trap a fire-user) has a melting point much higher than that of human flesh. Before the glass would have melted, Sylar's brain would have turned to boiling soup and leaked out of his head, right?
CHILDREN OF FUCKING LOST!!! by HoboCode	Apr 20th, 2009 01:06:06 PM
Pull my smoke tendril.
"Sylar (Zachary Quinto) continues his unusual partnership... by Jor-El23	Apr 20th, 2009 01:06:33 PM
Why are all the NBC press releases with the synopses for these Heroes episodes so cloak and dagger? We know who Sylar is working with, he's been working with Danko for weeks. Do they think they can trick viewers by phrasing it like that?
I know that it's cool by OfficerJunior	Apr 20th, 2009 01:55:28 PM
to shit on this show, but I think Brian Fuller has done a hell of a job turning the ship around. His fingerprints are all over the show now. The show is getting better. Maybe you can polish a turd.
I Am Sylar by Splatomat	Apr 20th, 2009 02:00:53 PM
...may as well be entitled "I Am Dead Weight" Just vaporize that caricatured POS already.
Here's hoping by rocknroll_pirate	Apr 20th, 2009 02:06:29 PM
Fuller gives us a good finale, i might miss Heroes until season 4 but at least we won't have the "cool" talkbackers bitching about it for a while
Sylar may be annoyingly powerful, but at least.. by turketron	Apr 20th, 2009 02:16:04 PM
When he's around there's something INTERESTING going on. Whether he's flinging around his enemies, chopppin open some heads, or morphing into someone (which they do have a cool effect for on the show). I never understand why people continue to try to attack him with guns... He can disarm opponents with a thought and we've seen him stop bullets in mid air.
The problem with Vol. 4 is simple by filmstu2005	Apr 20th, 2009 02:17:02 PM
There's been no buildup to this storyline. No high stakes thus far. Its supposed to be about the govt rounding up "heroes" (am i the only one who thinks this show has the wrong name? It should be called "Selfish Assholes." Thats more like it!) and locking them up. Except we've barely seen that all season. There's been no "Grand plan", the govt is just rounding them up with no clue as to where to even put them. Scratches head did the writers even think that far? And then Sylar suddenly shapeshifts into Nathan but it was established the week b4 that he had to touch the person b4 he could transform into them. Correct me if im wrong, but i never saw Sylar touch Nathan, and the writers are really stupid for not shadowing that at all. Everyone's just all over the place. I really want to like this show, i really do, but its workin my last nerve. I have never seen writing for a tv show as ATROCIOUS as what I've seen on Heroes. Its mind boggling. No offense, but a kid with down syndrome could write better shit then this.
I agree. Enough with Sylar by filmstu2005	Apr 20th, 2009 02:21:34 PM
Sylar is a villain. Enough with his daddy issues that went totally nowhere. Completely useless and retarded. Enough with him trying to figure himself out. ENOUGH with the identity crises. HE's a FUCKIN VILLAIN. He knows his shit and he's gonna fuckin kill. And its not only Sylar. Every character is acting at a complete 180 degree to what they were originally established as. Parkman going to kill some helpless escort chic in cold blood? He's cop, its not like him at all, and it makes him a douchebag. Not even Daphne's death should've pushed him that far. If he wanted revenge he wouldve went after Danko himself. Seriously. And Greg Grungberg plays the character annoyingly anyway. I wish they'd just kill him off.
The problem with Vol 4 is it was preceeded by 2 and 3 by Stormwatcher	Apr 20th, 2009 02:26:01 PM
Which blew. No better word for it. They write this thing like their slammin' redbull. Slow the F Down and develop an idea instead of tossing it after less than an episode. Christ Sylar with HRG was a good concept but lasted like what? and Holy Shit it was this SEASON! Not to mention Sylar and Elle or Sylar as a brother to Peter or Peter from the future ect.... What a mess. This show is just a total mashup and I don't think even Fuller can save it. CALM DOWN YOU ADD TWITS!
Unhappy the land that has no Heroes! by rosasaks	Apr 20th, 2009 02:42:41 PM

No, unhappy the land that needs heroes. by rosasaks	Apr 20th, 2009 02:43:07 PM

Bertolt Brecht was right.... by rosasaks	Apr 20th, 2009 02:43:54 PM

what was the deal with... by STLost	Apr 20th, 2009 02:52:19 PM
Sylar at the end of season 1, intro into season 2? At the end of season 1, they showed a blood trail into a sewer system, showing us that sylar slipped into the sewers to escape. And there was a cockroack involved or something and then he appears in mexico with that one chick keeping care over him. Did they ever explain any of that? Especially the cockroach.
sylar touching to morph re: filmstu by itrainmonkeys	Apr 20th, 2009 02:54:16 PM
"And then Sylar suddenly shapeshifts into Nathan but it was established the week b4 that he had to touch the person b4 he could transform into them. Correct me if im wrong, but i never saw Sylar touch Nathan, and the writers are really stupid for not shadowing that at all." I know they made it clear that they original shapeshifter needed to touch Danko in order to change into him, but maybe there's something to this power we don't understand. Some theories as to how Sylar can shapeshift into Nathan: -You can shapeshift into someone you've touched in the past. Just because Sylar hasn't touched Nathan since he got the power doesn't mean that's how it definitely works. -Sylar has mastered this ability in a short time. Just like with other abilities, Sylar gets the most use out powers. Maybe he's learned how it works and can do it based off of looking (there are images on the net of Sylar holding a framed photo of Nathan in upcoming episode(s). -Sylar shapeshifted a few times, tracked down Nathan, touched him quick, and left unnoticed. Kinda like how the original shapeshifter turned into Sylar at the club. I do agree with the other criticisms - what was the government going to do with these detainee's? Was there a plan? I'm still watching though.....I enjoy the show.
re: STLost by itrainmonkeys	Apr 20th, 2009 02:56:40 PM
I can't remember exactly but I think that Sylar in Mexico thing was the girl that could make illusions and that they (the company?) were holding onto Sylar. I may be wrong. The cockroach hasn't been explained yet but the writers have hinted to some kind of meaning.....don't know what it is.
one more filmstu2005 by itrainmonkeys	Apr 20th, 2009 03:02:41 PM
"Parkman going to kill some helpless escort chic in cold blood? He's cop, its not like him at all, and it makes him a douchebag. Not even Daphne's death should've pushed him that far." Wasn't that the whole point? He didn't go through with it. He couldn't....it was against his character. He wanted revenge but didn't have it in him. Also he's not a cop anymore and Daphne's death didn't push him far enough to kill the helpless escort chick - it pushed him to wanting revenge. Too bad he went about it in a stupid/badly planned way.
"round robin" series scripwriting by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 20th, 2009 03:17:36 PM
What's baffling is that this series, like any show production, has a writers room -- well, it's supposed to. It's where the producers and writers gather to pitch, discuss, coordinate and assign episodes to be written. The odd thing is that the way the episodes of HEROES turn out (with character actions contradicting prior episodes, and plots going nowhere) it doesn't seem like this series production has a writers room or meetings en masse about the episodes and overall season plotting. Instead, it feels like a "round robin" system, where a writer writes an episode, then the next writer reads it and bases his episode on that, and so on. Other times, it seems like writers of two separate episodes have no idea what the other person is writing, so then you wind up with characters acting inconsistently (either in terms of their personality or what their power can do). But it's not the writers who are necessarily to blame for this -- it's the series show runner, whose job it's supposed to be to keep things coordinated.
At least they stopped having Parkman paint the future by turketron	Apr 20th, 2009 03:25:05 PM
For now at least. I remember him painting one of an explosion or DC blowing up or some shit... what happened with that? Will they shoehorn that in to these last two episodes or will there be another "stop the bad shit from happening in the future" storyline next year?
"I've got to end it." by jedihillis	Apr 20th, 2009 04:23:41 PM
Anyone see the irony in this title?
Umm..."Penultimate" means the opposite of ultimate by Fish Tank	Apr 20th, 2009 04:28:18 PM
Many people make that mistake. Hope that's not what you were going for.
@Fish Tank by Bob C. Cock	Apr 20th, 2009 04:47:24 PM
The ultimate is the last and final item in a series. The related words penultimate and antepenultimate refer to the second-to-last and the third-to-last item in a series, respectively. Love, the dictionary
"Penultimate" means next to the last by turketron	Apr 20th, 2009 04:47:27 PM
"next to the last: the penultimate scene of the play" So sayeth dictionary.com...
oops, i fed the troll... by Bob C. Cock	Apr 20th, 2009 04:48:41 PM

sylar touching nathan by MateoMcD	Apr 20th, 2009 05:01:03 PM
Yeah, didn't Sylar get his shapeshifting power AFTER Nathan was driven away by Danko? Fishy...
Opposite of "Ultimate" by MateoMcD	Apr 20th, 2009 05:02:14 PM
Wouldn't "First" be the opposite of "Ultimate"?
Sylar turning into Nathan by danthemagnum	Apr 20th, 2009 07:10:51 PM
Sylar mentions early in the episode that he needs their DNA to become them. He turns into Nathan by rubbing the toothbrush in his office. I thought it was rather simple.
Sylar going Golem by DookieMercury	Apr 20th, 2009 08:46:05 PM
The conversations with himself just bloody bizare
Sylar having conversations with his dead mother... by Marco Segrain	Apr 20th, 2009 08:53:36 PM
Norman Bates, anyone?
Golem and Bates by NudeandAroused	Apr 20th, 2009 09:04:41 PM
It was also Norman Bates from "PSycho." Really great episode. Loved the last line. Yes, overall the show is absurd like 24, but I have enjoyed this season very much. These last few eps have been very strong.
People get paid to write this shit? by SifoDyasJr.	Apr 20th, 2009 09:07:58 PM

3 comments(!!!) the whole episode?!~? by wcme	Apr 20th, 2009 09:09:50 PM
Thecomedian must be beside himself. (Is this the DOLLHOUSE talkback?") A deader show there never was. Meanwhile, on 24, Jack found out he needs to stomp a mudhole in Tonys ass. (You know, on a real tv show with a fwd moving plot that hasnt once circled back on itself the entire season, and a ton of characters died and stayed dead?!?)
wcme, I remember there were 300+ real-time comments by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 09:29:44 PM
for the beginning of Heroes' season opener just last September. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. :\|
Wow. Matt got over Daphne pretty fast. by LoneGun	Apr 20th, 2009 09:51:47 PM
He's already considering how to get back with his ex-wife?
I haven't seen it yet, is why I'm not commenting by BadMrWonka	Apr 20th, 2009 10:13:46 PM
some of us live on the west coast, people!!
I have no idea what this show is about anymore. by LoneGun	Apr 20th, 2009 10:28:34 PM
And neither do the writers, apparently. More self-referential details at the end, with Suresh narrating, "Each of us needs to ask ourselves the question: Who are we?" You can just sense the creative powers behind this series straining to find some new dramatic angle. Meanwhile, HEROES is dying a slow death, and I don't say that with any satisfaction. It's genuinely sad to witness the deterioration of this once truly entertaining and surprising show. In Season One, I didn't know which character was my favorite, as I liked so many. Now, I'm at a loss to name even a single character that I actually like. Sylar was kind of the last good thing, until tonight. Now, it seems like he's just being used as a plot device. His character is all over the place, as are all the others!
Just watched last week's episode. by Shermdawg	Apr 20th, 2009 10:28:34 PM
Not great, but it's nice to see another Pushing Daisies vet showing up as Alice.
24 killed HEROES yet again tonight. by LoneGun	Apr 20th, 2009 10:36:13 PM
24 has been unstoppable this season, completely re-energized and kick-ass! Every episode is a grand slam.
Lone Gun - I am sooooo with you... by Fish Tank	Apr 20th, 2009 10:47:13 PM
Last episode ended and I had NO clue what the threat is, what they're running from, and this ep made the same amount of non-sense. WHAT is the point of this show? All over the place is a perfect description. I keep watching out of habit, but I'm not liking it.
Kring wrote the finale next week.... by Pennsy	Apr 20th, 2009 10:53:26 PM
So take that however way you want it.
nothing happened by Prior Walter	Apr 20th, 2009 11:30:28 PM

Danko is weighing this show down. by LoneGun	Apr 20th, 2009 11:54:00 PM
Nothing against the actor; he's fine. But the character has gotta go and fast. It would be different if this hunter of "Heroes" was fascinating or scary. But Danko is just dull and depressing to watch. He never has anything interesting to say and he never has any cool tricks up his sleeve. He just feels like dead weight on the show. I'm surprised Noah Bennet hasn't outsmarted him yet and usurped his position of power...
Hiro never uses his sword. by LoneGun	Apr 21st, 2009 12:57:16 AM
There's just gotta be some unconscious phallic significance in this sad fact. Of course, neither Hiro or Ando act like grown men. They are basically four-year-olds dressed up as adults. I know they're supposed to be cute and all, the comic relief of the show. But their scenes have only grown increasingly uncomfortable to watch. They seem like bored tykes wandering around the sandbox with no toys. Ando shows absolutely no curiosity about his own powers. Hiro has simply lost his mojo. The chemistry between the two has nearly died completely. And neither of them seem to have any dramatic significance - not since Season One, anyway, when Hiro at least had the mission to "Save the cheerleader".
LoneGun by filmstu2005	Apr 21st, 2009 01:01:09 AM
He did. Until Danko outsmarted Nathan by pushing him out a window to get him to fly. Lol. Like i said. There is no grand plan. Y has Sylar become the main villain AGAIN this season? Rehashing old storylines much? Better yet, why OH WHY is Tim Kring the writer of next week's finale? Must I remind everyone that he also wrote the catastrophically bad S1 finale that reeked of pure camel ass? Remember the awful line, "All you need is love, Peter." Yea, like love is the only thing thats gonna stop an Exploding Man. Peter can have all the love in the world. Mofo still exploded anyway. Ugh...I feel the finale will end in tragedy. In this episode, its odd how at the end of episode every last one of the Heroes got captured, even Lizard Mohinder at Coyote Sands, with no explanation as to what gave them away. They just got captured. Someone forcibly raised the stakes....
I think I'm quiting after the finale... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 21st, 2009 01:12:20 AM
If the finale doesn't turn things around, I'll really have to ask myself at that point why I should check out Season 4. I doubt Bryan Fuller has any pull on next season. It wouldn't surprise me if he manages to bail out of Heroes to show-run a new show coming this Fall instead. I can't blame him if he does this -- he should be looking out for his own career anyway.
Goodbye by Blackguard	Apr 21st, 2009 01:28:40 AM
I kept waiting for something big to happen and it never did. I'll watch the season finale but that's it. I'm done.
I will give it this though by filmstu2005	Apr 21st, 2009 01:28:53 AM
It was one of the better episodes of the season, even if it did feel out of place. Esp as an episode b4 the finale. But it was way better than most of the episodes we've seen this season. Esp last episode.
This show is limping to its season finale. by LoneGun	Apr 21st, 2009 01:39:20 AM
There's no sense of urgency or danger. It's ending with a whimper...It already feels over.
this was a fine episode by BadMrWonka	Apr 21st, 2009 02:53:24 AM
not great, per say... but it was not bad at all, and a great lead-in episode...
i liked it by darkpassenger	Apr 21st, 2009 03:03:50 AM
it was good to micah again the last seconds with sylar and danko was pretty awesome i thought
I woke up and found that I had morphed into by gotilk	Apr 21st, 2009 04:11:50 AM
someone who wants this show to stop sucking while I was sleeping. Then I lost a tooth. Man, things were starting to look up there.
Rehash by Rinse	Apr 21st, 2009 04:21:37 AM
How many times can Suresh be captured and recaptured in one half-season? How many times can Nathan do some stupid shit and apologize for it? How many times can Sylar play mind games that go nowhere with Claire?
Is next season going to be all written and run by Bryan Fuller? by Amy Chasing	Apr 21st, 2009 05:14:12 AM
If so wake me up then. I doubt anything happened this season that I need to know before watching the next.
One to go. by The McPoyle Clan	Apr 21st, 2009 05:40:00 AM
Unless there is a reboot in S4, it's the end for me. I've stuck with it since the beginning, but the bad (S2, S3) clearly outweighs the inconsistent (S1). I think this show has gotten way more slack than it deserves, and that's a feeling not confined to the people here.
Is Michael Dorn going to be Vol. 5's Big Bad... by Kevin Holsinger	Apr 21st, 2009 06:08:50 AM
...given that he was the President in the Vol. 3 finale? Also, I for one liked Sylar's Norman Bates breakdown. The head-stabbing thing, again, bothered me. Any of the other healers would stay dead if you did that, but not Sylar for some reason. Overall, it's been one of the lesser Heroes volumes, but not so horrible that I can't see myself watching Vol. 5.
Danko was the man for a good two seconds by antimcgyver	Apr 21st, 2009 06:13:02 AM
at the end with sylar. then he went back to being bilbo baggins
Ditto by freekydeeky	Apr 21st, 2009 06:14:44 AM
Seems I'm not the only one who's giving up, that's the end for me. Gonna watch S3 finale out of loyalty but then that's it. Shame, been big fan since S1.
President Pitrelli? by John-Video	Apr 21st, 2009 08:46:34 AM
Come on. I know this is a fantasy show, but who would believe that a first term junior senator with ties to domestic terrorists could actually become president. Really? ;-)
I"m done after next week by jccalhoun	Apr 21st, 2009 08:49:52 AM
After watching the latest episode I've decided to give up on this show. Nothing that has happened all season matters. The whole rounding up people with powers? Rebel? Daphne's character and especially Parkman's relationship with her? Hero losing his powers? The African painter? The Cheerleader's whole storyline? None of it matters. The show is pointless and after the season finale I'm through.
Chuck is more satisfying by STLost	Apr 21st, 2009 09:04:30 AM
Sorry, it's true. I bailed on Heroes after the last season finale (right before the heroes were being hunted down.) I don't miss it at all. Chuck has been the opposite. Engaging, funny, dramatic, and I actually care about the characters. Plus their winding down the season in thrilling fashion. Hopefully this show comes back next season.
OH WHO FUCKING CARES by spud mcspud	Apr 21st, 2009 09:08:37 AM
How boring has this show gotten? I'm out. How a series about superheroes can turn into a fucking soap, I've no idea, but this did. Make the fucking movie version of the novel SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE. Make realistic superheroes great again.
Myths and other things... by thepoohguy	Apr 21st, 2009 09:57:26 AM
Global Warming...Americans don't make quality vehicles...Heroes sucks That's right. I said it. They are all myths. For those of you who are saying that you will watch the finale and then stop, you're wrong. Next week when Sylar thinks he has killed Peter and Claire will be mad, you'll see that he's still alive. And when Ando dies next week, which forces Hiro to start down the path of future Hiro from season 1 that we all loved, you will return. Mark my words. Fuller is turning this ship around, and next year it will be all engines full steam!
This went from "Better than Season 2" to "Just as Bad as Season by Snake Foreskin	Apr 21st, 2009 10:44:23 AM
and I for one do not hold out much hope that Bryan Fuller's return to the show will make any improvements. I think anything he has contributed so far has been sub-par. I bet he's still pissed off about Pushing Daisies and isn't giving Heroes much of his creative best. Or maybe he's just not all that good after all. Whatever the case may be, Heroes Season 3 has gone from a promising start at the beginning of the season to pointless in the middle of the season to downright dismal in the last few episodes. If there is a Seaon 4, it better follow a lot more logic and have a specific through line figured out for all the characters. No more of this flying by the seat of your pants, writers. It makes for crappy TV.
"Just as Bad as Season 2". Damn character limits. by Snake Foreskin	Apr 21st, 2009 10:46:25 AM
Anyway, I hate NBC. If they get rid of Life and Chuck and keep Heroes, the people in charge need to be fired. And bring back Journeyman, dammit!
Preliminary 3.7 rating, 6 share for last night's episode.... by Pennsy	Apr 21st, 2009 10:56:27 AM
Down a full 10% from last week's 4.1/8.
I bet Ando will by Rumpel Tumskin	Apr 21st, 2009 11:26:28 AM
supercharge Parkamn and mind fuck everyone who knows about people with abilities
Sylar failure by sammiedog123	Apr 21st, 2009 01:11:14 PM
So Sylar has two opportunities to get powers this week. One power gives you the ability to break glass, the other gives you the ability to interface with any and all machines. hmmmmmmmm.....I can break glass already. Sure would be cool to be able to hack into any security system in the world. Transer a few billion dollars around via electronic wire. Destroy a country's economy by stealing all their money or shutting down their electric grid. Naaaah....I want to be able to shatter glass.
I'm willing to eat some crow.... by thecomedian	Apr 21st, 2009 01:47:05 PM
Last nights episode sucked. It reminded me of something from "Villains". Mostly I've never really liked Zachary Quinto as an actor. He was the worst actor(in a cast of really bad actors)in the 1st season until Milo surpassed him and stunk his way through season 2. To that extent I've never gave half a shit about Sylar as a character once he was revealed in the middle of the 1st season. The stuff they did with him and Elle in Villains was fucking awesome but then they pissed all over it. Anyhow, I still like this show. I'll watch it next season. The only way to make it truly great again would be a revamp with a new set of heroes OR put the current set in a completely different situation. That's why fugitives has worked for the most part since it didn't involve them saving the world from some future threat yet again. Like I said last week the best bet would be a back to basics showing the heroes actually, you know, doing superhero stuff, with costumes even; Only it's all a front for something more clandestine. They can cry realism all they want but there is nothing remotely realistic about this world they've set up anyhow. Oh, and if anyone's gonna die next week, I hope it's Hiro. I know the fanboys love him but he's always annoyed me from day one with that squeeky little voice. You'd think he'd have some pathos and gravitas having lost both his parents and knowing his one true love died and there was nothing he could do about it. Every time he raises his arms in the gay squeeky little voice I want to kick in my TV set.
in case no one noticed by evil dead 3d	Apr 21st, 2009 03:10:24 PM
sylar needs DNA to become someone. that's what that whole thing was about with his mom, he needed the blood on her clothing to ACTUALLY sorta become her, psycho style... so at the end he touches nathans toothbrush to become him , once he has the dna map he can become that person again and again. of course the dna woulnd't hold memories and with his 'mom' coming back tha't's all supposed to be his id and superego sparring it out.. not that it matters, but it DID clearly show that DNA wasn necessary (which a touch gets ya) or and old dna will do it appears. now don't get me started on hiro and ando and their power changes du jour yipes!
also filmstu 2005 by evil dead 3d	Apr 21st, 2009 03:11:42 PM
that' Selfish Assholes comment is still killin me.. i would tune in to see season one of selfish assholes next year..
Great espisode! by squarebird	Apr 21st, 2009 03:28:59 PM
This episode was excellent, I don't get the criticisms .. and the final episode of Season One was dead-on perfect ... I also don't get the criticisms of that. but then again, many of the complainers are fans of LOST .. which is just remake of Gilligans Island without Gilligan.
...and yet by ooggbboo	Apr 21st, 2009 04:35:33 PM
>sylar needs DNA to become someone. But he can somehow change clothes when he morphs. No internal consistency ftl.
Just watched it. by fain88	Apr 21st, 2009 04:54:20 PM
To quote Dwight Schrute, "Good, not great." And all I could think at the end of the episode is, "Why the hell are you standing there, Danko, Sylar's getting up! Run, motherfucker, run!" C'mon, finale...
Heroes S1 finale by filmstu2005	Apr 21st, 2009 04:56:27 PM
was complete utter shit. A terrible way to end a season. The only thing good about it was Nikki punching the daylights out of IllusionGirl and beating Sylar with a parking metere for no damn reason. She didnt even know who the guy was, lol. I was laughing at the stupidity. Esp when Peter, with all the damn powers he had, proceeded to punchING, yes PUNCHING, Sylar. Lol, what a joke...
Evil Dead 3rd by filmstu2005	Apr 21st, 2009 05:04:52 PM
Then look out for that new tv show called Bitches. I kid you not. Think of it as mix b/w Werewolves and Sex and the City. Awkward.
I can take the illogical plot points by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI	Apr 21st, 2009 05:18:17 PM
But this isn't even entertaining anymore. It's talky talk talk talk. You see, sometimes in comic books, people with superpowers actually fight other people that have superpowers. Sometimes they are called supervillians. On this show, called Heroes, no one seems to do anything all that heroic. I sincerely hope next weeks episode is good, but from the rumored Sylar/Claire proposal I'm not holding my breath.
Sylars Petrelli Sees the Return of Jim Profit! by Krazeyivan	Apr 21st, 2009 06:34:23 PM
Yes I won't let you down ma! I'll sleep in the cardboard box!
Sylar as Nathan by death_by_powerpoint	Apr 21st, 2009 07:37:21 PM
No one noticed the ENTIRE SCENE where Sylar rooted through Nathan's office searching for a source of DNA? He finally found a travel toothbrush, rubbed his finger on the bristles to collect the DNA sample, then was able to shapeshift. If you're going to criticize the writing, at least focus on actual poor writing - not on your own lack of attention to the level of detail they put into it.
This is shit do they ever do anything anymore by kingoflight	Apr 21st, 2009 07:50:12 PM
Remember when peter and hiro were bad ass in the future for that short time i was hooked on heroes expecting more of that. BUT NO FUCKING WANKERS !
Don't expect Bryan Fuller to fix much next season... by Jim Jam Bongs	Apr 21st, 2009 09:17:32 PM
Word is that he may be hired to run a new series next season, and, thus, he could leave Heroes by mid season (by the end of show's Volume 5 arc). He's not contractually obligated to stay with the show for any set period of time.
hmm by slkboxrman	Apr 21st, 2009 09:55:01 PM
Obese, I bet u are obese, its boring cuz people talk ? Sammiedog, sylar himself explained why he didn't want micah's power....STlost....well u may b dillusional and think CHUCK is great, but its soon to b cancelled...guess what show won't b? That's right, heroes.....as for everyone else saying week after week how ur bailing on heroes, just do it, stop crying how ur going to week after week after fracking week...just go so we don't hav to read how the show is not meeting your high standards and dissapointing u... we don't care...we like the show...
umm silk.... by jay2517	Apr 21st, 2009 10:00:38 PM
if everyone who has a logical complaint about heroes went away..... then there would be like 40 posts here max. sorry, its true. its a BAD show we're just hanging around HOPING it would get better. its not...
jay by slkboxrman	Apr 21st, 2009 11:06:16 PM
Logical is a very subjective word, its not logical if its a rant about how the show isn't meeting a persons own definition of what a show called heroes should b. And I wasn't referring to the comments week after week after week that say things like "I haven't watched since episode 3 and just watched last nite and it still sucks" or "heroes has one more episode to win me over" etc... nothing logical or constructive there, just a waste of space...if u don't like the show, don't watch it....
i DONT like it anymore and that makes me mad by jay2517	Apr 21st, 2009 11:39:21 PM
im trying though.... dammit im trying
slkboxrman by spud mcspud	Apr 22nd, 2009 06:00:56 AM
I'm glad you'll be one of the last few still watching HEROES. Personally I feel much better knowing I can form perfectly punctuated, long and complex sentences without feeling the need to turn everything I write into a FUCKING TEXT!!! Bottom line: LEARN TO WRITE, FUCKER! And HEROES is still shit.
slkboxrman by the ageless stranger	Apr 22nd, 2009 06:35:03 AM
"Logical" is not a very subjective word. In fact, it's probably the total opposite of subjective, because it's, y'know, logical, as in logic, a form of reasoning, science, etc. Also, this show needs to be put down. I haven't watched it since I realised how stupid it had become in the "Eclipse" two-parter, but everything I hear about it since then doen't make me want to come back. And I've just recently re-watched season 1 and it breaks my heart.
I love people who brag about... by mrfan	Apr 22nd, 2009 07:42:32 AM
how they think Heroes is better simply because it has lasted longer than other shows. These are the same people that must watch According to Jim.
slkboxrman by STLost	Apr 22nd, 2009 08:43:08 AM
Just because "Heroes" gets renewed doesn't mean it's any good. "According to Jim" was renewed for what, eight seasons? I just think "Chuck" is just consistently better than "Heroes". Hey, I used to watch Heroes, but what I thought was so great about it is sorely missing now. And spud is right. Learn to type. You shorten "be" to "b". Are you too lazy to type the "e" ???
How I would make Sylar more interesting by SilentGunman	Apr 22nd, 2009 10:11:54 AM
I'd have him bump into Adam Sandler on the street, so he absorbs Sandler's DNA. Then Sylar could morph between himself, his Mom, and Sandler's Buffoon character (from They're All Gonna Laugh At You). It makes the scenes way more entertaining: "Mother, I'm sorry I killed you." (morph) "Oh son, I forgive you." (morph) "Fuckin shit, man!"
Heroes by squarebird	Apr 22nd, 2009 01:15:45 PM
A great thing about Heroes is that we know the characters so well that a natural suspense builds up in every situation when we try to guess whether they are going to follow their instincts and personality or whether they are going to resist them. Also, the show has been very consistent in its theme - which is the ironical take on "Heroes". They are not heroes despite having super-powers, they are real people who's natural range of quirks suddenly MATTER because they suddenly have more power than evolution has prepared them to handle. This is the only decent critical treatment, other than "Unbreakable" of the idea that super abilities does not somehow magically create a desire to become a super-cop. Thus the necessity for the Parkman and Hiro characters - as they are the ones who, perhaps partly because of their relative immaturity, struggle with a sense of obligation to be super-cops - and thus demonstrate how foolish normal people trying to be super-cops can appear.
by SilentGunman	Apr 22nd, 2009 01:47:20 PM
I get the impression that the characters on the show were never meant to be around this long, and the writers have just struggled to come up with things for these characters to do. So they either repeat the same old stuff (Clarie is pissed at her dad(s) or Hiro quests to be a hero) until it loses its charm, or stick the characters with stupid storylines. The Parkman/Daphne lovestory should never have made it past the writing stage.
Sylar is still a great chracter... by Laza-rus	Apr 22nd, 2009 02:35:31 PM
.. but he's really the only one. Lately, I've been forcing myself to watch the show if only not to squander the 3 year investment I have in it. But it has become a challenge to watch. The last few episodes have actually been the best in a while, but since a solid first season, its been all over the place and just not fun to watch.
Oh.... by Laza-rus	Apr 22nd, 2009 02:36:52 PM
And is Hayden 18 yet? Because I should have been mentally incarcerated about a hundred times by now...
by SilentGunman	Apr 22nd, 2009 02:44:38 PM
Danko: Sylar, I need you to be Agent Taub! Sylar: I don't need to do what you want anymore. (morph) "I bet you got really hairy balls!"
Beyond stupid by spiceybiscuit	Apr 22nd, 2009 04:23:28 PM
isn't the cheerleader like 40 years old at this point? I wish Sylar would take everyone's brains away so they would all die. OH wait, that would take him away since there are 150 Heroes on this show
UGH by Splatomat	Apr 22nd, 2009 04:32:04 PM
I was so impressed with the show for about 5 seconds there. Then Sylar got up. Ugh.
I keep watching Heroes... by Big_Dumb_Bunny	Apr 22nd, 2009 11:57:27 PM
I've watched Heroes since day one. Why? Don't know. Probably because it's a show about superheroes, although I don't really think that's even a fair description at this point. I'm always hoping that at some point the show will pick up and get better. There have been some pretty awesome episodes, but those were in season one. Season two was a joke. This season has been better, but not by much. I thought the last two episodes were a little more focused and I dug that. But then I watched last nights episode. The part where spoilers Sylar morphed into Micah to save his life while Micah looks on was lame, but but then two minutes later when Micah is watching Sylar "talking" to his mom and then says, shocked, "You're a shape shifter!?" or something to that effect, made me want smack my fucking head against a wall. I mean, really? You didn't fucking notice that it wasn't you that got shot 10 minutes ago!? Shit like that honestly makes me wonder how something goes from a script to a finished scene without someone pointing that out. Maybe the writers. Maybe the director. Maybe the actors. But no. Heroes is so poorly put together that something a five year old would notice makes it on the air. I'm going to finish this season because I've already wasted another 20 hours of my life, but that's it. You hear me Tim Kring, I'm done!
Oh, and Tim Kring... by Big_Dumb_Bunny	Apr 23rd, 2009 12:01:49 AM
You totally ripped off Rising Stars and you know it!
SilentGunman by the ageless stranger	Apr 23rd, 2009 04:17:35 AM
You're right; When season 1 was still on TV, the Kring was saying that season 2 would focus mainly on a different set of characters. But then the viewers liked the characters so much that he decided to keep the main ones, and made it very clear he has no idea what to do with them.
this. show. is. absolute. SHIT. by turketron	Apr 24th, 2009 11:34:03 AM
WHY THE FUCK DO SYLAR'S CLOTHES MORPH!? HOly SHIT. Not to mention the dumbass scene with Micah "YOU'RE A SHAPESHIFTER!?". FUCK THIS.
If he's going to morph into his mother by SilentGunman	Apr 24th, 2009 02:24:39 PM
couldn't we get just one "NO! THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU!"

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