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Antepenultimate HEROES!!

It's getting better. by gotilk	Apr 13th, 2009 02:58:57 AM
I know all of you hate to hear that.
But will it ever have Lost's momentum? by gotilk	Apr 13th, 2009 03:01:11 AM
That show has been a flaming freight train with a destination. That's what Heroes needs. A good plan and an ending.
It's definitely getting better by IAmMrMonkey!	Apr 13th, 2009 03:07:42 AM
Although it's still very far from the 'must-see tv' tag that I give to shows like LOST. Judging from the end of the last show, it seems we're about to discover a previous 'purge' by the American government to destroy all the super-powered people. Could be interesting.
The ending of Lost... by mooli_mooli	Apr 13th, 2009 03:55:47 AM
... will be that all of the weird shit that's happened, the smoke monster, the cooincidences, the predestination, the time travel - will all be the result of the intervention of a higher power. This will be explained in about thirty seconds. Then any surviving castaways will split up and go camping in New Zealand, forgoing all modern comforts forever and vowing never to see each other again for no discernable reason. And then the show will end.
But not before... by mooli_mooli	Apr 13th, 2009 03:56:36 AM
showing a lame montage of plane crashes and dancing polar bears.
That quote sounds like something... by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 13th, 2009 04:20:51 AM
Matt Parkman would say during a kinky sex game with his life partner Suresh.
Can anyone explain Harry's new Animation??? by Mace13	Apr 13th, 2009 04:37:09 AM
I apologize for this being off topic. I can normaly figure out the animations of Harry up in the corner for myself. But this latest one has me stumped. What the hell is that from? Thank you
No Lost talkback for the last week? by DrLektor	Apr 13th, 2009 04:37:28 AM
Must have slipped under the radar, shame, bloody good episode too. Here's my call for the end of Lost. They'll all travel through time again, actually becoming the ones who set the islands whole mythology in motion. Sayid will sail to Egypt, telling of "a place where you can never die" and bring Richard Alpert back. The four-toed statue will have Sawyer's face, Hurley will die and become the smoke monster, Jack and Kate will go off into the cave to live, have kids that eventually become the islands original inhabitants and die, leaving two skeletons behind for the 815'ers to later find. Captain Magnus Hanso of the Black Rock will actually be Desmond all along.
DrLektor, theres a TB every week... by champvinyl	Apr 13th, 2009 05:09:53 AM
and there's a long-ass one from last week's ep as well, it's nobody's fault but your own that you're too dumb to find it. btw that theory you have there is so damn ridiculous i don't even have time to list how many impossibilities are in it. ...Heroes kicks ass!, (kinda).
Dr. Lektor by jackalcack	Apr 13th, 2009 05:54:43 AM
Look to the right of the page, there's a list of top talkbacks. Lost is currently the 6th one down. Ignore champvinyl, he is probably about 14 years old.
yeah I'm 14... by champvinyl	Apr 13th, 2009 06:36:14 AM
because i called someone dumb who couldn't read text on their own god damn computer screen. makes sense...
Rest of this volume... by scnjedi	Apr 13th, 2009 06:52:35 AM
Is Fuller dragging them out of the hole Kring dug them into. Next volume, he'll get started properly. Ironically, it's set to be called Redemption.
wait, Mohinder's been in that appt since season 1 by newc0253	Apr 13th, 2009 07:06:44 AM
and only now does the super mention his dad's stuff in storage? wouldn't his dad's death been the obvious time to mention it? not at super-convenient-plot-purpose time?
newc0253: it's a NYC apartment by chrth	Apr 13th, 2009 07:21:43 AM
Mohinder's lucky the super didn't kill him and sell his organs by now
chrth,... LOL by champvinyl	Apr 13th, 2009 07:30:35 AM
yeah I'm not sure that guy looked like the best super in the world... It seemed in fact like he could shank mohinder with an icepick at any moment! The next day going back to his job at the paper factory... :P
... and gary sinese discovers the body!! by champvinyl	Apr 13th, 2009 07:32:17 AM
OWWWWWW!!!!!... yes, i know its a david caruso thing but we're talking about NY, do you want me to be totally unrealistic!?!
I cant think of any LOST episodes... by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 08:26:41 AM
in S5 that have been complete misses
But youre right zeddmore by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 08:29:21 AM
In that Heroes doesn't need a series finale set ending point. Its X-Men on tv...there should be dying characters and resolved plots, but no ending. Just bring in new Heroes and get rid of some old ones.
storage items by Dradis Contact	Apr 13th, 2009 08:39:24 AM
it'll be some baby pictures of Mohinder in a dress and a tsapa
till autumn? you mean this piece of krap is still alive? by altoandando	Apr 13th, 2009 08:55:49 AM
KILL IT... kill it with fire, and place anyone involved with it in creative custody for at least 1 year so that they may not harm any other projects.
"S5 has been hit and miss." by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Apr 13th, 2009 09:18:08 AM
Not true. It's been hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit and hit, brother!
Don't ever compare Heroes to Buffy by Juemad	Apr 13th, 2009 09:26:47 AM
Ever. Not even to say both are TV shows.
Just give us the LOST talkback now. by AshokZero	Apr 13th, 2009 09:34:26 AM
That show has fully delivered this year. The only thing I can honestly say negative on LOST S5 is that Christian Bale is not in it.
Mr. Zeddemore by AshokZero	Apr 13th, 2009 09:44:14 AM
So.... basically what you are saying is that you disliked 2 episodes of LOST this year. Well, with all due respect, I can't even think of 2 episodes of Heroes that I've truly enjoyed since Company Man.
I'm looking forward to this show again. by Geekhaterssuck	Apr 13th, 2009 09:50:20 AM
Past 3 episodes have been great, Season one was fantastic, season 2 was just bleh, 3 had it's moments but still overall a disappoinment, but I have loved this season.
Mr. Zeddemore - INSANE! by Mr_X	Apr 13th, 2009 10:08:45 AM
thats right. heroes is one long giant turd that's stuck in the u-bend of the toliet of nbc. no amount of flushing is getting rid of this.
Mooli Mooli by Kid Z	Apr 13th, 2009 10:21:33 AM
...said montage set to the tune of Green Day's "Time of Your Life".
How can you not know Zed's opinion of S5 Lost? by The_Man_Behind_The_Curtain	Apr 13th, 2009 10:38:59 AM
It's there on mymavra.com, people! Come on over to mymavra.com and have your say on the latest tv episodes, music and movies!
Last week's episode saw a 17% dip in the 18-49 Nielsen rating. by Pennsy	Apr 13th, 2009 10:43:33 AM
And the fourth consecutive week of series-lows in household rating/share and overall viewers. One thing's for certain; this show cannot remain on Mondays. I would suggest, if the 18-20 episode pickup for season 4 is true, to just hold back on that season's premiere until Januart and put it on Sunday nights at 8 or 10PM. Putting it on Monday at 8 will lead to a massacre by the CBS lineup of Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother. Leaving it at 9 is purest masochism. Putting it on Tuesday or Wednesday isn't an option, either, because you've got the idiot karaoke show on from January forward. Thursday's out, since that's NBC's comedy 4-block. Friday and Saturday also KO'd because they're now the place where genre shows go to croak, regardless of their quality.
That 17% drop was from last week's episode ALONE. by Pennsy	Apr 13th, 2009 10:44:00 AM

The reason why LOST sucks this season: by TheMarineBiologist	Apr 13th, 2009 11:36:26 AM
Desmond has only been in a handful of episodes. Apart from that, I dare you to find a more perfect season on television.
Zeddemore, maybe if there's a Serious Moonlight talkback... by Pennsy	Apr 13th, 2009 11:44:03 AM
Which is KB's next movie and it debuts at Tribeca a week from this Saturday, I'll speak her name there. But not here anymore. :)
Fate pf GPS Girl by Tindog42	Apr 13th, 2009 11:47:56 AM
This may be an obvious question but I've miss a few episodes. At the end of the first season, they introduced a young girl with the power to locate people with special abilities. Last I recall Parkman and Suresh were taking care of her. This year she does not seem to be around. Seems like the government would have her at the top of the list. Is she the girl in the promo? Has she vanished into the writers limbo?
Tindog42 by TheRocker	Apr 13th, 2009 11:56:38 AM
Your talking about Molly. She was sent of to India to live with Mohinders mother at the start of volume three.
Tindog42 by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 11:59:35 AM
As far as I can recall, she's hanging out with Peter's Irish girlfriend, who Kring admitted they would never mention again. I did like Heroes. Then I didn't like it. Now I'm maybe liking it again. And to be fair, a lot of the complaints I had of previous seasons (the inconsistency in Sylar's character, the lack of cohesion among the storylines of the central characters) is being teased in the trailers to be answered by the end of this season. Volume 5 - Redemption? I'm down.
Even if the rest of Heroes is better than Lost, I would never wa by thefreeman	Apr 13th, 2009 12:11:51 PM
Because even if its "getting better" or "is good again", it doesnt matter. The shit has already been done. They already fucked up this season and the last one, with illogical and nonsensical plots, constant decisions and actions of characters that dont make sense, and then trying to reboot it every every 12 episodes. Dont forget the premonition of a disaster in a major city every volume. Even if they somehow fixed all this and made it a real show again (because its a joke even right now), I could never watch it because they already destroyed it, I wouldnt be able to be invested in anything since I know they got to where they are now because of all the nonsense that came before.
Every Episode Of Lost Is Great by estacado1	Apr 13th, 2009 12:13:49 PM
no matter what the season is. It all adds up into one big masterpiece. It's rare that you get to see a masterpiece being made from beginning to end.
TheRocker by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 12:13:51 PM
Ah! Fair enough. Last statement retracted. :) ...but we're still never gonna' hear about Pete's fine irish lass.
The minimum goal for Heroes, ratings-wise, should be... by Pennsy	Apr 13th, 2009 12:23:30 PM
Maintaining a 3 rating in 18-49 and to not fall below 6 million viewers. I think if they can do that and not emulate the NBA's 76ers, who are about to run the table in reverse in losing their last 7 games (they play Boston tomorrow and at Cleveland Wednesday to end the regular season), then SOMETHING can be spun successfully from the 'Fugitives' arc.
And yes, stop that 'Lost' is worse crap by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 12:23:57 PM
Admittedly, '316' and 'Namaste' were not my favorite episodes this season...but it was mostly because the characters were getting info that the audience had already deduced. That's actually a problem I've discovered; Lost fans have become so adroit at nit-picking every little thing, we're figuring things out for ourselves before the characters do! (Granted, that could open up a whole other can of argument worms, but I digress...) I'm actually excited about watching tonight's Heroes. And unless it takes a big messy shit on my chest (like it has before), I'd say the ability to get me excited about a new epi means they're on-track again.
Meanwhile another new episode of Chuck is on tonight by ThrowMeTheIdol	Apr 13th, 2009 12:32:27 PM
A show much better than Heroes that gets about the same ratings so far as Heroes even though Chuck costs less to make. It has an enthusiastic fanbase and yet for some reason hasn't been renewed yet. NBC is hard to understand. If I were them I'd move Chuck to Thursdays at 8 eastern, cancel Heroes and move Kath and either Earl or Parks to Mondays at 8 to create a Monday night comedy block while Chuck leads off thursdays.
Should have Dr. Seuss instead of... by mrfan	Apr 13th, 2009 12:37:47 PM
Dr. Suresh.
Ditto thefreeman, it's too late for Heroes by AshokZero	Apr 13th, 2009 12:44:01 PM
Haven't seen the last few eps, but regardless of how good the next few Fuller eps are...The end of S1, S2 and S3 all sucked. As opposed to countless other shows on TV like Lost, The Wire, The Shield, etc. which made it to Season 4 or 5 and actually had GOOD material to build off of.
Herc's Heroes and 24 promos by smackfu	Apr 13th, 2009 12:50:20 PM
should tell us which one to watch and which one to record. Getting a feeling tonight is a 'watch 24' night. Btw, these 2 networks are batshit crazy for keeping both shows in that timeslot. They're each dividing their audience and at least in my experience, which show I decide to watch vs record/download on any given week changes depending on what kind of mood I'm in. Where if they were on back to back timeslots both shows would get the full audience and both win.
Definitely improved by ides	Apr 13th, 2009 01:27:45 PM
The last two or three episodes have made me glad I stuck with it. The current volume started out as much of a mess as the last few, but they've slowly turned the mess of plot and character motivation into a coherent and interesting story. I don't know why people are bringing Lost into the discussion, though - Heroes has had some good moments, but its not even remotely in the same league as lost. It's not even the same sport.
caprica pilot is out by RaveX	Apr 13th, 2009 01:32:12 PM
it's not all that bad + boobz in the first 10 seconds...
Not to slam lost... by OfficerJunior	Apr 13th, 2009 01:44:25 PM
but that is a train that passed me by a long time ago. The water cooler buzz has been big but I never jumped on board and it seems that I would have to start with season 1 dvd, and catch up. There's just a shit ton of show mythology. I think heroes is more welcoming to new veiwers because their storyline hasn't been that cohesive.
OfficerJunior, I totally agree by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 01:58:42 PM
...and I'm one of the truest Losties you'll find. Someone made the comparison of Heroes being like a comic book, which in turn are similar to soap operas...there is no real ending, just a constantly continuing story with a rotating cast and new 'jumping-on' points are readily available. It's like comparing Die Hard to the LotR Trilogy; both are extremely enjoyable, but for completely different reasons. And PS, if you ever DO have a free weekend, I do highly recommend S1 of Lost...I had no real interest in it until my friends said I 'HAD' to watch it. I got through S1 in two days. I...couldn't...stop...watching ... Sorry! Lost aside done. Heroes!
Missed Heroes but not Lost by Tom_Bombadil	Apr 13th, 2009 02:00:35 PM
After all the lousy character developments of Heroes the last couple of seasons its hard to be too excited about Heroes. Lost on the other hand has been better this season than in the 4th season and the characters have stayed consistent to the way they were originally written (unlike Heroes).
i havent watched heroes since by Timahh	Apr 13th, 2009 02:24:26 PM
they aced pappa petrelli, that episode was terrible and i called it quits from there. Maybe i might torrent some of the newer ones and see whats what.
Jordana Brewster is back on Chuck tonight by Rob0729	Apr 13th, 2009 02:55:30 PM
That news interests me more than anything that could happen on tonight's Heroes barring a lingerie pillow fight between Ali Larter, Hayden Pineterrie, and a resurrected Kristen Bell's character. Chuck is far superior to Heroes. Yet Chuck is in danger of getting canceled. Eventhough it has about the same ratings.
Timahh by ides	Apr 13th, 2009 02:55:50 PM
This arc started out pretty lousy, too - the damage the writers had done to the characters took a while to overcome. If you stick with it, you'll finally get to the recent episodes, which are the first genuinely good episodes in a long time. I almost quit watching during the awful first half of this season, but I'm glad I stuck with it now.
i've always watched heroes by Mr_X	Apr 13th, 2009 03:01:09 PM
before was when i enjoyed it. then i stayed on because kring said it would get better. then i stayed on because kring said they had learnt from last seasons mistakes. I then stayed on beacuse kring said it was finally back on track. I've stayed here because kring has LIED LIED LIED! i want thos fucking lost hours of my life back. that's why im on this talkback!
RIP Marilyn Chambers by chrth	Apr 13th, 2009 03:03:03 PM
http://www.ktla.com/landing_to pstories/?Porn-Icon-Marilyn-Ch ambers-Found-Dead=1&blockID=26 5057&feedID=1198
Heroes lost me forever with the "Sylar kills a rabbit" episode by cutest_of_borg	Apr 13th, 2009 03:10:41 PM
Sorry - call me a pussy if you like but could they have been any more heavy-handed with the symbolism? Plus, I know they weren't actually going to show Sylar gutting the poor thing but I don't need that bullshit. So, fuck Heroes. More space on my DVR.
Ante- means post- by dookdookdook	Apr 13th, 2009 03:13:46 PM
And without a seasonal qualification penultimate isn't the right word to use, anyway.
"Sylar kills a rabbit" by TheMarineBiologist	Apr 13th, 2009 03:20:31 PM
Benjamin Linus got the same thing done, but didn't even need to kill the rabbit. Granted, I have no idea what you're talking about since I fell off the Heroes wagon months ago.
Ante- means PRE, not Post by chrth	Apr 13th, 2009 03:23:12 PM
Hence 'antebellum' refers to the pre-Civil War era of the US. Antepenultimate is a perfectly cromulent word and is used correctly.
Ante- means DURING, not Pre or Post by Decimus	Apr 13th, 2009 03:50:32 PM
I'm a Latin expert so please trust my judgment.
Decimus: Trust your judgement when you're wrong? No by chrth	Apr 13th, 2009 03:54:56 PM
Seriously, people, we're on the internet. There are online dictionaries all over the place. Ante- An"te-\ ([a^]n"t[-e]-). A Latin preposition and prefix; akin to Gr. 'anti`, Skr. anti, Goth. and-, anda- (only in comp.), AS. and-, ond-, (only in comp.: cf. Answer, Along), G. ant-, ent- (in comp.). The Latin ante is generally used in the sense of before, in regard to position, order, or time, and the Gr. 'anti` in that of opposite, or in the place of. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. ante- prefix meaning "before," from L. ante (prep. and adv.) "before, in front of, opposite" from PIE *anti "facing opposite, near, in front of, before" (see ante). Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper
Ante means NEVER OCCURED, not pre, post OR during by Decimus	Apr 13th, 2009 04:17:44 PM
I am a certified Latin expert and you are merely a Google user. Trust me, good folk of this talkback.
ANYways... by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 04:27:29 PM
I've always thought what Heroes needed was not a set ending to propel characters towards...just a cohesive backstory or point of origin. For the longest time I've been of the opinion what hurts it the most is every week is just random stuff happening to random people who have random powers. If tonight's episode does what the teaser promises, I'm expecting great things from Heroes.
DO I WALK AROUND AND MESS WITH YOUR FUCKIN ANTES? by OMG_BATMAN	Apr 13th, 2009 04:28:41 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP, BRUCE!
Are they going to... by jimbojones123	Apr 13th, 2009 04:41:22 PM
Walk like an Egyptian tonight?
lay off man by Candy ass monkey suit	Apr 13th, 2009 04:55:24 PM
Wish people would lay off on Heroes. It ain't been that bad..ok so it hasnt reached the heights of season 1 but it's miles better than 80% of the crap they put on tv these days. The Bryan singer penned episode was excellent and i hope Fuller gets more control over season 4. I think season 3 has been a big improvement over season 2 and the casting of Heroes is just sublime..i mean come on man..George takei,Malcolm mcdowell,Robert forster,John Glover!..amazing!! The start of the Villains arc was a mess but it soon came together and Fugitives has been cool too. Give Heroes a break.
Ante Ehm... Ante Up by ataraxia999	Apr 13th, 2009 05:17:20 PM
Chrth is right, Ante means before. Antecedent, etc. There is no used Latin prefix meaning "never occurred," though that would be interesting. Here, let's try -- "I wish the second season of Heroes ANTE." Nah.
TheRocker and fain88 by Tindog42	Apr 13th, 2009 05:25:52 PM
Thanks for the update.
Kill off Ando!!! by LoneGun	Apr 13th, 2009 05:32:13 PM
The writers obviously have no clue what the hell to do with this character. They gave him a power he almost never uses, or practises. At the start of this latest chapter, they showed him ripped with muscles and cruising around on a motorcycle. It seemed like they were going to do something new with him. Now, he's back to following silly ol' Hiro around, clowning it up and speaking in a painfully inconsistent accent. Also, at the beginning of the season, the writers set us up with this question: "Why would Ando want to kill Hiro?" Was an answer to this ever offered? Or have the writers of Heroes failed yet again to deliver on another dramatic promise?
ANTE = simultaneously at all points in spacetime by Decimus	Apr 13th, 2009 05:39:35 PM
This is direct from the Codex Latina (the tome given to Latin experts upon official certification), so this matter is closed.
Matter is closed by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 05:57:43 PM
Because you are wrong, Decimus
Hmmmm by ataraxia999	Apr 13th, 2009 06:06:57 PM
"simultaneously at all points in spacetime"... hmmmm, and A.M. stands for ante-meridian... damn, that just blew my mind!!
If Heroes is better than 80% of that on TV... by TheMarineBiologist	Apr 13th, 2009 06:09:02 PM
...what are we counting here? Are we talking primetime or infomercials at 3am? Since I currently consider Heroes to be one of the worst shows on a major network in a primetime hour on one of the four major TV show nights of the week, which shows are among these "80% that are less than Heroes"?
eh..Decimus by Tindog42	Apr 13th, 2009 06:20:55 PM
By all current definitions Ante means 'before'. Antecede, antebellum,anteroom.... ad nauseam. I'm basically a trusting soul, but when you contradict yourself with in under thirty minutes, I can't help but think your ullfay hitsay. Trust me I'm a Pig Latin expert.
Heroes = anal probe minus the KY by spiceybiscuit	Apr 13th, 2009 06:26:42 PM
Heroes blows...that show sucked after the first "save the cheerleader, save the world" bs they feed us.
Ante is a type of low fat dairy product by smackfu	Apr 13th, 2009 06:28:40 PM
I am the Emperor of Breakfast and you are just a Latin expert. Trust me folks.
Anal Probe minus KY = TN by smackfu	Apr 13th, 2009 06:31:03 PM
If you divide it by FL you always get pi. It's science, you can look it up.
80% less than Heroes by Craftybear	Apr 13th, 2009 06:32:40 PM
Two and A Half Men, Dancing With The Stars, The Apprentice, American Idol, Ghost Whisperer, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, New Adventures of Old Christine, Big Bang Theory, The Biggest Loser,Desperate Housewives....you want me to go on?
Heroes is not better than 80% of comparable TV by thefreeman	Apr 13th, 2009 07:03:15 PM
Sure maybe it can be something entertaining to watch but I cant take it seriously anymore. Season 1 felt like a real show, now its just a mess. It is consistently one of the worst prime time serial dramas on TV, maybe the worst.
"Caprica" Pilot has hit the net! by ls420	Apr 13th, 2009 07:13:25 PM
hope its good
Mr. Zeddemore by gotilk	Apr 13th, 2009 07:30:56 PM
Maybe you're right. Maybe it doesn't need an ending. But considering what the show HAS been giving us for a while now (I DID love it at one point, even cheering for it when it was in decline), a change isn't necessarily a bad thing. But I can't argue with you about the original intention, which is closer to what you describe than what I suggest.
also... by gotilk	Apr 13th, 2009 07:42:05 PM
I don't buy into that whole Lost vs. Heroes thing. Let them both stand on their merits. Not everything in the world needs to be similar to some shitty USA Today feature OR a popularity/__ vs ___ contest.
Just finished Caprica by thefreeman	Apr 13th, 2009 07:42:07 PM
Gotta say its much better than I thought it would be. It has alot of potential
Heroes by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 07:43:24 PM
Should just play with the whole comics angle a bit more, using higher level concepts. TIme travel would work if the writers sat down and plotted it all out (you could have a whole alt. reality thing instead of lost's "whatever happened happened" thing) IMagine if Peter's old girlfriend came back from the future to warn them about a villain that ate entire realities.
Feels a little dharma-y by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 08:05:43 PM
but I likes it
Mohinder's dad was in the Dharma Initiative? by Patrick_Bateman_trashed_my_401K	Apr 13th, 2009 08:07:43 PM
Wow. So they are just blatantly stealing from Lost now? No more X-Men story lines to "pay homage to."
Wasn't the whole point... by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 08:09:48 PM
...of Suresh Sr.'s research that he...was trying to PROVE...that these people with powers existed? WTF?!?
Ah! by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 08:11:48 PM
Nevermind.
I believe it was Herc who said by Jimbo08lak	Apr 13th, 2009 08:25:02 PM
and I'm parphrasing, "I would have promoted TTSCC more if it had been has good as these last two episodes". That's fine and dandy, Herc, you fucking toddler cock sucker, but what the fuck is your excuse for Heroes? This show has sucked for two and you've promoted it the entire time? What gives. Fuck you Herc.
Chuck -- hey, that guy in cell #2 by jwardlow	Apr 13th, 2009 08:28:59 PM
Had to Richard Dean Anderson...
Any way the wind blows.... by jccalhoun	Apr 13th, 2009 08:38:55 PM
Do any of these characters stick with an idea for longer than 4 episodes? The first half of the season the characters were all over the place from good to bad to good to bad and this half of the season they are exactly the same. the show seems determined not to change anything. They feint one way for a couple episodes but then they go back to exactly who they were in the beginning. They need to make a change and stick with it or don't bother changing at all...
catwoman! by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 08:39:59 PM
i mean cat lady.
about going back to the beginning.... by br1947	Apr 13th, 2009 08:56:39 PM
that's because Fuller is resetting the past two shitty seasons and trying to make it like Season 1, which is a good thing. The last few episodes have been MUCH better, as is this one.
Christine Rose is a professional. by Patrick_Bateman_trashed_my_401K	Apr 13th, 2009 08:58:23 PM
Hayden and Mini-Sly are a little to amateur for my tastes.
too by Patrick_Bateman_trashed_my_401K	Apr 13th, 2009 08:58:36 PM

interesting.... by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 09:03:12 PM
no actually its the opposite of interesting. What was the point of this episode exactly?
That was a big bag of dicks. by tile_mcgillus	Apr 13th, 2009 09:04:32 PM
Wow. The stink from that episode will linger for days. Her little sister was in the desert for 50 years living like a crazy person. Fucking heroes, as soon as they get going somewhere they just come along and ruin the shit out of it for awhile until you dont care anymore....WHEEEEE!
Did I miss part of that episode? by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 09:06:11 PM
How the hell did Angela and her Company Boys feel responsible for what went down? Did we not see the whole story, or something? So...are we to assume that the military at Coyote Sands killed all the 'heroes' and buried them...then those four came back and erased all their memories...and Angela thought it was her fault because she left her little sister to go crazy? WTF?! I'm totally confused.
I was totally psyched half-way through that. by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 09:10:52 PM
There was some real character development happening, actually being self-referential as far as past story lines and some (admittedly) shitty character choices. Then Heroes, as I worried earlier, took a big ole shit on my chest. If this turns around next episode (doesn't look too likely from the preview) or with the finale, I'll gladly eat my own words. But if not, I really think I'm out. Never thought I'd say that about a super-hero TV show.
Actually fain that would explain why Suresh forgot... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 09:12:16 PM
And then devoted his life to proving people had abilities. Charles Devroux mind wiped him. I always wondered what Charles' powers were, though that still doesn't explain how he was able to talk to Peter in that weird dream time travel shit after he was already dead.
Heroes is like an exgirlfriend by zooch	Apr 13th, 2009 09:14:01 PM
We dated for ahwile in the first season and it was exciting then, but it didn't last and now the thrill is gone. Occasionally we get drunk and fuck but I can't be with it all the time anymore because my feelings for the show have changed.
never thought about that... by antimcgyver	Apr 13th, 2009 09:16:46 PM
good point comedian. I wish it wasn't so inconsequential though. Couldn't they have kept the cat lady with them? Kind of like walter from fringe, except with weather powers.
oh yeah and it's really not that confusing fain... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 09:17:24 PM
It's called survivor's guilt. Happens all the time in the real world. Talk to any Holocaust Survivor. It's pretty textbook.
weak ep by blrp	Apr 13th, 2009 09:17:53 PM
For a flashback ep, that didn't feel like there was enough backstory to be worth the effort. Hopefully, they're setting up for a better re-set next season.
Alice, the cat lady will be back, probably as a villain by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 09:20:06 PM
She's just way to fucking powerful for a one off. In fact when the company kids escaped I kept thinking Charles Devroux was an idiot for ditching her. She's the most powerful one out of all of them.
thecomedian by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 09:27:40 PM
I can see that; good point. The thing I had trouble with was not seeing what actually happened. We saw li'l sis go nutzo with her weather powers, then the military guys start shooting...and the only resolution we got after that was the four kids sitting in the diner. So we're just to assume the military gunned down every 'hero', then Charles mindwiped everyone and sent them on their way? Just seemed like a little bit of a jump in logic on the viewer's part. I'm probably being too critical (or dense :), it just left me going, "Huh?"
Jesus Christ did that ever fucking suck. by Yeti	Apr 13th, 2009 09:29:35 PM
I wish I could forget that I just wasted an hour for no apparent reason. Talk about your tacked on sub-plots.
THAT was my other point by fain88	Apr 13th, 2009 09:31:52 PM
So we're to assume they rounded up EVERYONE who lived through the fire fight and erased their minds (and they must have gotten every survivor, or there'd be peeps out there with 'hero' knowledge)...but they couldn't find Alice? Mohinder and Peter found her in, like, ten minutes. Did they just assume she was dead and leave it at that? Or were the military folk the ones who buried everyone...and Angela didn't bother to check if her sister was one of the dead?
Alice in Wonderland again??? by jimbojones123	Apr 13th, 2009 09:32:56 PM
COME FREAKIN ON!!! If only there were inspiration for writers besides a little girl with a wild imagination.
Wasn't the sister... by jimbojones123	Apr 13th, 2009 09:35:11 PM
the girl that got fired from "Back To You"??
I can't believe it's still on by GeorgieBoy	Apr 13th, 2009 09:51:24 PM
They should have ended this show after Season 1. Everything since has been utter crap.
Here's what I'd like to see happen with this show.... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 10:06:56 PM
Obviously I liked this ep. But I'm one of the people who's stuck with this show this whole season(though I couldn't sit through one whole episode from season 2 and pretty much stopped caring about Heroes within the 1st few eps of that train wreck. That's why it always tickles me to hear idiots bitch about this season but then defend Adam and the Telemundo Twins). I like the idea of a weather witch who's batshit nuts and has powers linked to her emotions. It's way more dangerous than "toads getting struck by lightening". When this season is done I'd really like to see the show live up to it's name and have the Heroes actually you know, saving people and being Heroes on a more regular basis. And not just lame, "save the world from yet another armeggedon"shit again. If this a "realistic" world of people with powers let's see the real consequences of these people actually trying to be superheroes. This show should be bold enough to go the Rising Stars/Supreme Power route and have them expose themselves to world, even breakout the costumes and codenames in a PR blitz to mask something ultimately more clandestine. Imagine Nathan, Claire, Peter, Mohinder, Tracy and a few others going public with costumes and codenames becoming popular celebrity darlings like the FF and Superman taking cats out of trees but it's all a smoke screen for the real battles they have to fight. Dark shit the public doesn't need to know about like Sylar. All this lame dancing around traditional Superheroics with Comic book nerds and Hero making Ando a costume, it's time they said fuck it and went this route. I mean next season is practically going to be a half-season. Then network doesn't care about them anymore, all the negative fanboy bitch sheep have turned on them. Why not throw caution to the wind and try something this crazy. It worked for Smallville.
Craftybear by TheMarineBiologist	Apr 13th, 2009 10:13:05 PM
Yes, I would LOVE for you to go on. Most of what you posted are considered Reality TV shows, who is focused on a rather specific demographic: those that don't necessarily care about dramatic acting but rather "real" stories. Yes, I do believe that Apprentice has long since lived past its prime, but there is a demographic that watches that show. Same with Biggest Loser. EHM is still a heartwarming show that families love to watch and thus cannot be affected by ratings or loss in viewership. Yes, I hate American Idol as much as the next LOST viewer, but seriously man... you CANNOT suggest that Heroes can beat American Idol with a straight face? Same can be said for ABC's American Idol (Dancing with the Stars). And then you go on to suggest multitudes of half-hour comedies. The only hour-long dramatic acting shows that you feel are worse than Heroes is Ghost Whisperer and Desperate Housewives. Ghost Whisperer isn't going anywhere because it has boobs, and Desperate Housewives has its own demographic (which isn't you). So, explain to me... what other show on television is worse than Heroes, apart from very popular reality shows and chick shows? Keep in mind that Heroes was once compared to LOST. And it is clear from the responses in this talkback that this episode tonight wasn't exactly on "par" with what a good show would broadcast. You can enjoy the show, I'm not saying that you shouldn't. All I'm saying is to be reasonable and not assume that Heroes is one of the best shows on television.
and who better to help them revamp this show then... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 10:13:11 PM
J.Michael Straczynski. Now that Jeph Loeb is out why the fuck don't they bring in JMS as a consulting producer or just dump Kring and give him HIS job. This is so painfully obvious.
CANCEL THIS SHIZZZZZZZ by jedimast3r	Apr 13th, 2009 10:13:26 PM
Now. God does NBC suck. I feel bad that The Office is even on the pimptastic download-everything-now-now-no w whore network.
its not "negative fanboy" if the show is crap by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 10:13:59 PM
the show turned on itself. plain and simple. this episode is just another example. what was the point?? nothing happened. i dont mind a "nothing happening" episode as long as it's setting up something bigger. ive watched since season 1 and im TRYING to stay with it but FUCK man......
thecomedian by jimbojones123	Apr 13th, 2009 10:17:00 PM
Do you think you deserve an award or something for "sticking with this show"? We all have been sticking with this show, or we wouldn't be here. That doesn't mean this episode wasn't CRAP! Total filthy CRAP.
Character Flop Flops. by jimbojones123	Apr 13th, 2009 10:18:54 PM
Didn't Mohinder and Peter hate eachother, Peter and Nathan hate eachother, Peter and Claire hat eachother, and again and again. Then they switch and hate eachother. I hate this character crap that has no desire to stay consistant.
I liked the black and white parts by My_name_is_Ken	Apr 13th, 2009 10:20:30 PM
but the present day stuff sucked. I'd like to see the Adventures of Young Linderman mini-series. A villian whose power is healing, is just such a cool concept to me.
and fain's right about papa suresh by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 10:22:34 PM
so NOW they are retconning season 1 plots? i mean this show had so many reset buttons in clair's blood & time travel. they "maybe" get rid of time travel but, NOW they can simply have a flashback episode and have charles "mind wipe" people in the past. like i said FUCK man........
No I don't deserve an award.... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 10:25:50 PM
I liked this episode but mainly for the characterizations. I don't care if it didn't move the plot anymore forward. We've had a season and a half season of idiot plotting that only moved the plot forward with no consistent characterization. So yeah, I like the character episode. What was so "total filthy crap" about this episode anyhow. It sad but over the past few years I've become more and more glad that creators don't listen to fanboys anymore. Eventhough I myself am one. You're all so goddamn fickle and short sighted.
no we like consistency and quality apparently u dont by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 10:31:35 PM

And they do this retcon shit in Comics and other mediums all the by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 10:31:55 PM
So I don't see what all the belly aching about Papa Suresh is for. The only thing that pisses me off about Chandra Suresh is that they wasted Erick Avari(one of the best character actors of these times) in a bunch of stupid flashbacks when they should have found a way to bring him back and kill his whiney annoying son instead. But if they do bring back Chadra Suresh I'm sure some of you will be bitching again.
Good Lord. Could this show get any worse? by LoneGun	Apr 13th, 2009 10:39:56 PM
I'm not a hater. I've been loyal to HEROES since episode 1/Season 1. I've loved the up's on this show, suffered through the down's. Now, it's just getting too painful. And I thought they reached rock bottom last week - boy, was I wrong! Tonight's episode was the worst EVER. All the vague dialogue about feeling guilt, forgiving oneself and picking up the pieces came off as strangely self-referential. You could just imagine the writers of this show sitting around a table, like the Petrelli's in the diner, saying to one another, "Okay, guys, we're a family. We've made a big mess of things but somehow we'll pick up the pieces." It's grown very hard to care about any of these characters. There's no one on HEROES to believe in anymore.
so y watch the show then????? by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 10:41:13 PM
why invest in the storylines if they're just gonna retcon them? so ur saying this season might "count" or it MIGHT NOT. hmmm ok. just call a spade a spade and call crap SHIT. why watch a epidsode if it is proven moot 2 episodes later?? what are u smoking??
24 put HEROES to shame tonight. by LoneGun	Apr 13th, 2009 10:45:37 PM
24 kicked ass tonight. A total adrenaline rush.
Yeah 24 by thefreeman	Apr 13th, 2009 10:47:09 PM
One of the best episodes of the season, and not just because of that crazy ending. Ive been missing those classic 24 twist endings like that this season.
true true melvin by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 11:01:01 PM

that girl's from Chocolat!! by BadMrWonka	Apr 13th, 2009 11:03:47 PM
Pontouf!!
decimus by BadMrWonka	Apr 13th, 2009 11:11:30 PM
antepenultimate: Late Latin antepaenultima, feminine of antepaenultimus preceding the next to last, from Latin ante- + paenultimus penultimate antepenultimate is perfectly correct, and you are not. also, you wrote: "This is direct from the Codex Latina (the tome given to Latin experts upon official certification)," um...what? what official certification? and "codex latina" just means "latin book", doesn't it? what on earth are you on about?
So really, what have they completely changed.... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 11:11:50 PM
within the past 6 episodes? Even in this whole fugitives arc? Where have they done the kind of forehead slapping nonsensical idiot plotting you guys keep bitching about? "Generations" and "Villains" were full of it but were not talking about those arcs are we? You're all full of crap.
Parkman was going to kill that girl! by TenThousandBears	Apr 13th, 2009 11:22:13 PM
The characterization in this show is truly fucked up. I can just about live with Mohinder offing homeless dudes, but he was going to murder a russian prostitute simply out of revenge. An ex cop, trying to psyche himself up to shoot a woman in a cold, premeditated plot. For reals. How can anybody ever sympathize with this character again? It doesn't matter what they try and do with his character in the future, I'll always be think "yeah but you were gonna off that hooker".
ummm the entire LAST episode dumbass!!! by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 11:24:46 PM

thats for starters by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 11:25:53 PM

her sister for second... by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 11:42:26 PM
what was she like only 2-3yrs younger?? and they could'nt take her with them?? annnnd, if charles could mind wipe people why did they have to sneak out?? he could have saved EVERYONE there! and he didnt... WHY?? thats just a few from tonights episode. i mean for pete's sake thats alot for just one episode. u QUIT defending crap. i loved the show like every "fan boy bitcher" here until the SHITFEST season 1 finale.... i mean FUCK....
im trying to like it again too by jay2517	Apr 13th, 2009 11:43:56 PM

Parkman's an idiot. Always has been. So it's consistent.... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 11:53:55 PM
But seriously...Jay2517 I'll agree to disagree with you. I think you're nitpicking and tuesday morning quarterbacking. Charles didn't have the weight of the tragedy to motivate him to take that kinda step with his powers. He's a telepath not a simple mind wiper like the Haitian. I agree(like I posted earlier) that it was pretty idiotic not to take Alice with them when clearly she was the most powerful among them. But again, you're talking about a bunch of teenagers not grown people.
Oh yeah and.... by thecomedian	Apr 13th, 2009 11:58:16 PM
Parkman was going to kill that girl but in the end he didn't have to balls. It's not like Hiro stopped time right when parkman pulled the trigger. Parkman isn't an idiot but he does let his emotions control him all the time instead of the other way around. He couldn't go through with killing the hot russian bitch it was just all desperate stupid grief.
yea but mind wiped the entire cafe full of people by jay2517	Apr 14th, 2009 12:03:05 AM
if thats nitpicking then... oh well.
This show is breaking my heart. by LoneGun	Apr 14th, 2009 12:03:43 AM
I've loved it for the most part, warts and all. But the warts have become rank festering sores, which only get bigger and more numerous each week. There are just too many gaping holes in this one, too many lost threads. HEROES has become completely directionless.
Easy, fellas (or ladies), easy by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 12:09:49 AM
What's with all the aggression? Can't nerds all just get along... TenThousandBears, the way I interpreted Parkman's actions last (or was it one before last?) episode was that he had no real intention to kill anybody...he was trying to commit suicide, and make Danko the trigger man, in front of the only person he considered a 'loved one'. Parkman was done, ready to call it a day, had nothing else to live for and wanted to bring Danko down with him. But again, that was just my interpretation, but it might help explain some of his motivations. thecomedian, I'm totally with you on the character development. As I said earlier, it was taking into account past actions taken by the characters instead of just spinning them in a random direction (coughseason2ornearlyanything Sylar'severdonecough), and it seemed like many relationships were building toward a definitive stance. I like the Fantastic Four vibe from the 'family' speech, and hope that's a direction they're going in, and I too would like to see some Heroes in costumes, SS or Rising Stars style. But did you get what I was saying about the 'glazing over' of the conclusion of the flashbacks? Maybe I'm missing something, but it just didn't wrap around into a cohesive 'Origin Story' that I was expecting from the previews...and the whole episode seemed to be building up to Mama Petrelli coming clean with the whole story. I just didn't get that. jay, Papa Suresh is explained by everyone getting their memories wiped, so I'm cool with that; I had a premature post earlier (happens to the best of us, gentlemen). But I'm with you, too...Angela just left her sister there? When they had a telepath with them who even might have been able to find her? They didn't even look? Of course, I'd be a little clearer on that if we'd had THE END OF THAT FLASHBACK! Maybe the 1961 story isn't over and they will go back to it, and I will gladly eat my words...but based on the preview for next week, it doesn't look too likely.
mind wiped a whole cafe full of gape mouthed racist.... by thecomedian	Apr 14th, 2009 12:33:16 AM
who would have probably tried to string him up for dancing with a white girl. Though not the best way to keep a low profile in general. Fain they did kind of chicken shit out of the whole origin story by half-assing the slaughter and it's aftermath. I hope they do more 60's adventures later on. I'd like to see Adam, Papa Petrelli and Papa Nakamora come in and fuck everything up. They still haven't revealed what Nakamora's power was unless it really is just swashbuckling.
x-men looting... by ulcer	Apr 14th, 2009 12:39:36 AM
this episode is about Storm, and ends with Mystique impersonating the senator..
What this show needs. by The McPoyle Clan	Apr 14th, 2009 05:50:09 AM
More Jordana Brewster. Beauty and Ivy League brains. Ooops, wrong show. Damn, I'm starting to sound like the dude who stalks Kristen Bell...
Parkman and hookers by TenThousandBears	Apr 14th, 2009 06:38:07 AM
fain88 I think you're correct in your appraisal of what they were trying to do with the Parkman character and his craaaaazy plan to take out his troubles on the working girl, but for whatever his reason Parkman (previously one of the most ethical, romantic characters on the show) is now the guy who sees solutions to grief and despair in killing innocent bystanders. That's just... not good writing. And it's not reasonable to expect the audience to continue to empathise with the character afterwards, any more than Mohinders bum murders. Nathans right, these people belong in jail. That's the hidden message of this arc! An aside, I have a great idea for a spinoff sitcom: Mohinder and Parkman are the original odd couple, ones the geeky scientist and the others a grizzled barely literate cop. It seems like they have nothing in common until one day Matt surprises Mohinder in the apartment furnace trying to incinerate a bum he was experimenting on! Uh oh Mohinder! Thing look grim for our swarthy doc, until Matt accidentally tips over the garbage bag he was carrying and all kinds of hooker body parts spill out. Hilarity ensues! I'll make a million bucks.
An Asian with Math Powers!?!? Seriously!?! by thecomedian	Apr 14th, 2009 07:18:55 AM
Man, I'm glad they cut that. How unoriginal and weak.
Zedmore... by Juemad	Apr 14th, 2009 08:32:33 AM
I don't give a flying fig what s6 and s7 of Buffy were like. Two "bad" seasons of Buffy were still 10 times better than 3 awful seasons of Heroes. When season 1 of Heroes ended with that sissy fight in the plaza, everyone knew then this show was crap.
What a shitball episode. This show really sucks. by Snake Foreskin	Apr 14th, 2009 10:16:59 AM
I am almost through with it. I will give it a chance when the new episodes come out in the Fall. But I am completely upset by the miserable handling of this once-great show. Th last few episodes were so bad, it's beginning to make Season 2 look positively brilliant. I hope none of this is Bryan Fuller's doing. He'd better step up and bring this show back in line the next go around.
The only thing I learned tonight by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI	Apr 14th, 2009 10:24:29 AM
Is that young Angela Petrelli is much hotter than old Angela Petrelli.
Zeddemore by TheMarineBiologist	Apr 14th, 2009 10:34:29 AM
That's fine... I have no problem with others enjoying the show. I just have problems with the people who claim that it is one of the best shows on television, and that it is better than American Idol. As long as you can enjoy the show based upon its merits and not need to come into this TB frantically trying to defend a "sinking ship," go ahead. Just keep in mind that the TB-ers here had been majorly slighted by Heroes in the past and are more than likely incapable of giving it another shot. You will not be able to change their minds, so there is no use posting in here. Try another TB... but discussing the awesomeness of Heroes in the Heroes TB is not something I'd recommend.
Look at Hercules using fifty dollar words like Antepenultimate. by Leafar the Lost	Apr 14th, 2009 11:08:55 AM
Antepenultimate? You must be a college boy, Hercules. Look at the college boy, using $50 dollar words and looking all lawyer like. I remember when he was a tiny little shit picking his nose and crying for his mamma's titties. My, how you have grown. He thinks he's a man now.
The McPoyle Clan by Pennsy	Apr 14th, 2009 11:15:14 AM
Who are you? ;) The ratings slide seems to have been stemmed momentarily; while the householf rating/share of 3.6/8 was another series low, the show upticked in total viewers (6.8m) and 18-49 (3.2/8, up from last week's atrocious 2.6).
3.09 was great, Zeddemore... by Pennsy	Apr 14th, 2009 11:17:00 AM
3.10 and the first 59 minutes of 3.11 were OK as well. Then came the 60th minute and it collapsed for me like a house of cards.
Why call this show Heroes? by nicegoogly	Apr 14th, 2009 11:25:36 AM
Our main character, who we don't get to see in action (or is powerless/powered down), manages to be the biggest threat or fuck up of them all. I want to love the Peter character. I want him to be the Hero we thought the show was moving towards in season one. They highlighted his empathy, his noble demeanor, he had the two episodes where he was discovering his real powers and learning from the invisible man. Then, he gets emotional, can't control his shit, has to have everyone help him with Sylar in the season finale. Now he is on the sidelines more and more. His character is completely ineffective now. The show is about ordinary people with extraordinary powers. Let's tease you with their powers then take them away. Hiro, coming into his own with his power was great shit. Then, let's take his powers away, give him not humorous, but totally silly shit to do, in the two to five minutes they show him. Apparently, the whole depowering and sidelining issue with Peter was such a fuckin' success, let's do it with Hiro. How many family conversations do we have endure with the Petrellis? Same shit: Peter is on his high horse. Nathan is an elitist selfish asshole. Angela is a conniving bitch that plays both her sons off of each other. Three episodes, they are all nice people and all get along. Three episodes later, Nathan/Angela betrays someone, all hate each other. And so on. In the last episode, Angela was trying to protect her family by shielding the boys from what happened at Coyote Sands or whatever the fuck the name of that place was? It was okay to risk the boys lives, pit them against each other, push for a nuclear explosion to occur in the middle of Manhattan, but hey, don't let them know about the twenty or so people killed at one of the worst summer camp/research facility sets I have ever seen. High school musicals have greater production value.
Bob Bishop by NudeandAroused	Apr 14th, 2009 12:08:05 PM
By the way, I recognized most of the younger versions of the Primatech bosses. Who was Bob Bishop? This was the first time I remember hearing of him.
NudeandAroused by Kevin Holsinger	Apr 14th, 2009 12:23:15 PM
Vol. 2. The guy who could turn things to gold. Elle's father.
nicegoogly, the writers of HEROES are lost. by LoneGun	Apr 14th, 2009 12:37:12 PM
I share your frustration, your ire. It's evident that once the writers of this show established their "heroes" at the end of Season One, they had no clue what to do with them. The best they can come up with for Peter and Hiro is to strip them of all their powers and then feed them back to the characters, crumb by crumb. It defeats the whole purpose of Season One.
Rating are UP by History101	Apr 14th, 2009 01:22:18 PM
What about Chuck? Last night Chuck averaged a 2.3 with adults 18-49, and last week it averaged a 2.1/5. Heroes was also up noticeably to a 3.2 rating with adults 18-49, rebounding from last week’s series low when it had a 2.6.
I don't think ratings matter that much on nbc by antimcgyver	Apr 14th, 2009 01:36:20 PM
anymore than they do on telemundo. isn't pretty much every show struggling today?
This Episode Was by gongonzabarfarbin	Apr 14th, 2009 01:45:53 PM
totally pointless.
Doesn't "The Office" and "30 Rock" get good ratings on NBC? by Leafar the Lost	Apr 14th, 2009 02:02:07 PM
There are good shows on NBC. Also, pretty soon we will have Jay Leno on at 10:00 pm 5 nights a week. There will be no reason to stay up late now. We can now go to sleep at 11:00 pm, instead of staying up until 12:30. NBC has given us another 1 1/2 hours of sleep. By the way, "Heroes" has become unwatchable, unless they do some kind of tie in with Sylar and Spock from Star Trek. That may boost the ratings temporarily.
Flashbacks by Maximixedone	Apr 14th, 2009 02:38:43 PM
I wanted to like this episode. It had a great backstory and a reason for the 4 elder powered people to unite. What it lacked was explainations. Why would the US Government want to suppress superpowers when the cold war would have made these superpowered people excellent advantage over Russia. What happened to the base after the shooting? Did Angela and the three return to find all their family dead? What did Dr. Suresh and the military do? This episode left far more questions than answered. Was Angela's sister slow. She stayed at the facility for 50 years, never ventured out never made friends with any of the locals. It was very absurd that she lived like a hermit all this time and never read a paper or got a radio. 50 years and the Company seemed pretty inept. What is the goal of the company, containment, safety elimination....it's not very clear what the goal was ....let's hope that whatever heroes does int he future ..that people actually think about these things and actually answer it without leaving the fans thinking they are a bunch of idiots.
Heroes is on a promising trend by Messyjoe	Apr 14th, 2009 03:08:33 PM
I have been let down before by the lame plots and characters and am encouraged by the more complex and mostly unpredictable more recent shows on Heroes. So there is life in it for a few more seasons. Unlike say LOST which I have now figured out. SMoke monster is an alien, visits Earth thousands of years ago, has tea with Egyptian gods, feels at home, decides to stay, or ship breaks down, doesn't matter. Picks an Egyptian priest to be a master of ceremonies and gives him immortality (Richard Alpert)to have continuity and orchestrate things from the background. Then lets people worship him. End of the show? He gets bored and decides to go home. All the people are told to get lost (hence the title), and the island (ie. disguised space ship) leaves. End of story.
the ONLY purpose this episode really had by RaveX	Apr 14th, 2009 03:21:56 PM
was that it explained mama patrelli's kleptomania spree at the beginning of s01. and that's it. btw., herc... how come no caprica reviews yet? by all accounts, your mailbox should be stuffed with them by now...
What a shitload of fuck by Clownblood	Apr 14th, 2009 03:52:24 PM
That's it, I'm done. The actress who plays Angela Petrelli deserves an anti-Emmy.
My sentiments exactly RaveX.... by Lion_O	Apr 14th, 2009 03:54:03 PM
...because if there was one gaping plot hole that I was really desperate for the writers to fill, it was Mama Petrelli thieving.....! Since the very first episode, I'm sure we've all been thinking, 'as interesting as time travel, superheroes and the end of the world is, WHAT THE HELL IS SHE GONNA DO WITH ALL THOSE SOCKS!!'
i hope thats sarcasm for LOST joe... by jay2517	Apr 14th, 2009 04:17:13 PM
if not ur a fucking idiot. hope ur not.....
The show's improved some since Fuller's taken over by veritasses	Apr 14th, 2009 04:28:52 PM
That being said, the quality is no where near what it needs to be to capture an audience and I expect much more from him next season (assuming he's given complete control). I understand though that this is probably the best he can do with the grand mess that's been handed to him. In addition to whatever story/character changes he's going to make, he should spend a good amount of time addressing the look/feel of the show. Lighting, hair, makeup, wardrobe, sets, props, sfx etc have a cheap/fake look which are magnifying the issues in the acting and directing.
lol by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 04:55:27 PM
u guys are funny, u nitpick the show into the ground, and dont realize that ur nitpicking has caused u to miss the whole point of the episode. angela has finally realized all the mistakes she made, from the day she was at that camp till now..she started lying to family (her sister) and kept on lying and connected the dots that lying is destroying her family, like it destroyed hers and her sisters. she assumed her sister was dead because everyone interned there was killed and buried..she didnt have to go back to see, im sure she found out..as for the characters changing moods towards each other, is everyone here complaining about that have consistent attitudes with every person in their lives..im sure some of u have love/hate relationships with some of your boyfriends or girlfriends...how is this wierd? i think some of u hav nothing else better to do than throw out negative comments because the show isnt going the way u want it to..its sad...and calling "the office" or "chuck" or "24" superior shows just shows how dumb a whole lot of u are...i wish u luck, please dont breed...please.
the socks by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 04:58:51 PM
the explanation for that tied up a loose end from season one... wouldnt call it a major loose end t ho as some of u have,....it was just a nice nod to season one... im sure that was thought of in advance since season one.
pennsey by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 05:02:57 PM
with all his nielsons crap again....im surprised he hasnt told us that his penis has shrunk 17% from last week.....shouldnt happen with all the masturbating over ugly kristen(my eyes are too far apart)bell he does.
Sarcasm by Messyjoe	Apr 14th, 2009 05:05:11 PM
How easily we call each other names! Anyway, the lack of backstory and development is due to shallow writers. I suggest a project where a story idea is put out, and all the talkback is designed to fill in and create the full backstory and script and characters. Sure a group project, but it may create a hell of a creative story.
Lying Mama Petrelli by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 05:07:11 PM
That's an excellent point to Angela's motivations I hadn't considered; I guess I did miss the forest for the trees (or...erm...the lies for story-line, I guess). But the problem I had with the anti-resolution of the flashbacks was that they DID go back to the camp to mind-wipe everybody left alive. And we saw in the diner, as soon as the bad weather started the four company kids were already on their way back. So we're left to assume that Alice ran into the desert, the MP shot and killed every powered person there (PS, there were a BUNCH there, and we've seen a minimal amount of 'heroes' in the past few seasons get out of less sticky situations...but another arguement in and of itself) AND dug graves and buried them in the time it took the four kids to get back from the diner, which present-day heroes went to-and-from in, being fair, maybe an hour? It took them all night into the next day to dig up all those skeletons. And maybe this is being nit-picky, but I have to be since we didn't see ANYTHING of what happened! Just my two cents on why I was dissapointed with the 2nd half of the episode.
Let's all just start our own, Messyjoe by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 05:08:18 PM
Ransack some old thread and go to town. It would be EPIC!
The Aint It Cool Epic by Messyjoe	Apr 14th, 2009 05:21:55 PM
Hey Harry, how about opening an ongoing thread where your readers create The Show! Here is a start. " The last woman on earth knew it was time. "
by Spiderwalk	Apr 14th, 2009 05:49:43 PM
To shoot herself........the end.
fain by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:15:55 PM
interesting, the way i took what happened was that they never went back...angela wanted to..but was overruled..again i filled in a blank when it wasnt mentioned that she had actually seen the dead that she heard about it somehow and knew the military killed everyone and just assumed her sister was amongst the dead and when she had her dreams of her sister being alive she needed to go back to make peace with the past and possibly find her sister..bringing her family and extended family along was just to prevent a 2nd fracturing of it because of recent events..knowing that if u are working on a common goal it does tend to heal old wounds, at least with family...everyone that was at the camp were close in one way or another..and all of those relationships have strained.... pete/nathan....noah/claire.... pete/mohinder....mohinder/noah ....nathan/claire....angela/pe ter/nathan...angela/noah....in that context the episode makes perfect sense...doesnt it ?
I hear ya by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 06:19:21 PM
Valid points all. But if they didn't go back, how did DeVeaux mindwipe everybody? That's what got me.
fain by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:21:21 PM
who said he did ? lol... then again i might hav missed that.
also fain by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:23:36 PM
was it said that thats his power...it seemed to be a parkman power not a haitian power...he just told the diner people to pretend that nothing was wrong..didnt wipe em.
Mama Petrelli did by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 06:23:58 PM
Right after the Teaser/Title Sequence. I was confused at first, because I couldn't understand how it made sense w/Suresh Sr.'s backstory. But then she told Nathan, Pete, Claire & Noah right at the beginning. "We erased memories, burned files..." Something like that.
Well, yeah, he's a mind controller by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 06:27:42 PM
so that should mean he can mess about with peoples brains, ie: their memory. The Haitan was a power leech/limited telepath. And how else did they erase everybody's memories?
ohhh by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:28:18 PM
but i took that comment a different way.....i assumed she was talking about the company as a whole...and with that assumption i thought she was talking about all the work the haitian did for them.
the haitian by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:31:34 PM
the way they presented him was far, far from "limited"...remember noah saying "dig deep"...and also how he warned noah that the constant wiping of his wife's mind could be life threatening and almost was...that on top of power leech, which im sure was also controlable...not like leech in the x-men movie....makes him quite the badass.
Hmmm by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 06:32:23 PM
Interesting. That does make a bit of sense. Aces to you, sir.
I say 'limited telepathy' by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 06:35:31 PM
in that he didn't seem to actually be able to 'push' people or fully 'read' minds...just pick little pieces out.
true, very true by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:39:16 PM
and im not saying im absoulutely right on the "assumption" i made..it could go either way i suppose....at least till its clarified, if ever...
Totally by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 06:46:57 PM
But it does make sense. The way the episode was plotted out and unfolded just rubbed me the wrong way.
nice convo by slkboxrman	Apr 14th, 2009 06:57:08 PM
actually the most intelligent, open minded conversation i think ive had with anyone on this site...lol.
The true meaning of Ante by Decimus	Apr 14th, 2009 09:09:18 PM
is only revealed to eight-year students of Latin. The reasons are set out in Chapters V-VII of the Codex Latina.
"true meaning of Ante is only revealed to eight-year students of by Big Jim	Apr 14th, 2009 09:28:15 PM
Is Ante the Latin equivalent of Xenu?
Sylar at the end by Jon Voights Ballsack	Apr 14th, 2009 10:15:25 PM
It seems like they were very methodical about showing how the shapeshifting works (physical contact must be made). So when the hell has Sylar made contact with Nathan since he obtained that particular power?
80% by Craftybear	Apr 14th, 2009 10:23:59 PM

80% by Craftybear	Apr 14th, 2009 10:33:40 PM
Um, all I was trying to say is that most network TV is pretty awful, so in that regard, Heroes stands out from the pack. But I admit it has story holes and some really bad acting. Even then, it's remained entertaining, cause it's a free hour long live action show about super heroes, which is something I've wanted to see for a long time. I don't want to get into a case by case debate about which particular shows are better than Heroes, cause it's filling a genre that doesn't exist elsewhere on network TV.(Smallville excluded cause Superman is a pussy.) So even though it might suck sometimes...it's still better than Gray's Anatomy.
NBC = SCUM: recruits Blagojevich as reality star by chromedome	Apr 14th, 2009 10:39:08 PM
http://tinyurl.com/cr7osj Complete WEASELS
Decimus by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 11:19:24 PM
No, it's not. You're wrong.
silkboxrman by fain88	Apr 14th, 2009 11:20:26 PM
Well thanks for the insight, sir; you actually helped me work around some problems I had with the epi.
Decimus is just joking, ignore him by BadMrWonka	Apr 15th, 2009 12:09:27 AM
Codex Latina just means "latin book"...also, he's an idiot who made an incorrect assertion early on and instead of admitting his error, has turned it into a joke. so there you have it.
For the haters... by champvinyl	Apr 15th, 2009 03:58:04 AM
just start watching it on dvr or hulu or whatever, i think a-lot of the problems with the show have to do with the constant commercials, they need to do something like Fox is doing with fringe and dollhouse and cut down the ad's, when i was watching fringe tonight i didn't even have the time to walk 20 feet to the kitchen to get a glass of water before the damn show was back. The plot lines they're doing right now would be a lot better if they had an extra 4-5 mins ever ep and no serious delay because of commercials, you have to think... whomever is editing/planning a particular episode has to account for a 2 min break every 10mins (or less), how the fuck do you get any serious depth and continuity when dealing with shit like that?? /rant off.
Loved this episode by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Apr 15th, 2009 04:19:26 AM
For me, Heroes has really got back on track with this "Fugitives" arc. I'm really looking forward to a more consistantly brilliant next season. And with Sylar pretending to be Nathan, I predict things are going to get epic. Oh, and the characters seem to be acting like themeselves again, rather than switching sides every 5 minutes!
"The Petrelli's" by champvinyl	Apr 15th, 2009 04:49:40 AM
They're all a pretty cohesive unit now, they really are a family (If somewhat fragmented), like the avengers, or the original x-men if they were all related. Angela is the ProfX char Claire is like wolverine without the claws. Nathan is flyboy, almost like angel, completely mortal but he can fly. peter is almost like rogue, he has to decide what power he wants in the momnet. Noah is like the heroes version of nick fury, the company man, and at this point we still don't know if claire's blood gave him regeneration powers. I'm hoping they all go underground and get mohinder, hiro, and ando in on the action... It's what we've been waiting for since season 2.
almost forgot, parkman is actually a stronger... by champvinyl	Apr 15th, 2009 04:50:49 AM
telepath than angela, and they need him too.
I love the fact... by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Apr 15th, 2009 06:10:37 AM
... that all the heroes seem to be on one side once again, with Sylar back in his rightful place as antagonist. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this show, which I had all but given up on a few weeks ago.
Zedmore by Juemad	Apr 15th, 2009 09:07:32 AM
Really? You don't understand discussing something that "makes you angry"? You only speak up when you like something? Anything that bothers you you then keep to yourself?
IMO, Sylar needs to be killed off... by Pennsy	Apr 15th, 2009 11:35:06 AM
and the only reason why they're pushing him as hard as they are is because of Star Trek. As somebody on TV without Pity said better than I could, Sylar was "awesome in the first season, pointless in the second, and this show's plague in the third."
Sylar was the main draw for me... by TheMarineBiologist	Apr 15th, 2009 01:30:39 PM
In Volume 3, I loved the character arc they were going with him. And then... the writers just said "fuck it" and brought him back to square one, as if he made no change at all. And THAT is why I quit Heroes. That... and the idiot ball.
Heroes got its groove back! by squarebird	Apr 15th, 2009 11:52:18 PM
Finally, real mysteries and real resolutions. Do you all realize that this is building towards the scene where Hiro escapes from the future where Sylar impersonates Nathan! But from the other side of it, meaning we are also finally going to see cool Hiro appear! This episode and the next two I think have not only repaired the Heroes universe, but have matured it ... it is complex, but in a good Watchmen like way. By the way, those of you who would compare Lost to this show .. not even in the same league. Most of you are probably too young to remember Gilligans Island - I saw it on its first run in the mid-60s - but LOST is just Gilligans Island without the humor. There is no suspense because they aren't ever going to get off the Island.
I liked by Bulla_11	Apr 16th, 2009 03:03:37 PM
This show can be frustrating, Angela laying and manipulating her way, then being honest then laying again. Nathan messing things big time then saying he is sorry then the same again, Clare and Noha, Nuresh, all are in a vicious circle, season after season the same. But this episode was fun, liked the flashback, and the idea of impedint doom. Also the first four kept loyals to each others, kinda.
BadMrPartyPooper by Decimus	Apr 17th, 2009 09:05:57 PM
dookdookdook is the one who originally claimed to know the real meaning of ante, not I.

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