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Moriarty's Rumblings From The Lab #6Re: IRON GIANT, BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, Bill Murray and R.O.T.L.A.

Another sign of the apocalypse by Dr Vooch	Jul 27th, 1999 02:26:02 AM
If Paramount decides and Lucas and Spielberg allow a name change to "Indian Jones and The Raiders of the Lost Ark", I will burn my WGA card and move to Seattle to live out my days making furniture.
Indy by Zcarstheme	Jul 27th, 1999 02:28:23 AM
Indiana Jones and The Raiders of The Lost Ark? NEVER! I hope Paramount have realised that lengthening that title is going to make it even more uncomfortable when the whole world tell them to shove it up their ass..
Harry do something about this by Darth Fart	Jul 27th, 1999 02:43:56 AM
Harry, you must stop them from changing the title of the first on-screen Indy adventure (second since TOD was a prequel of sorts). Write an editorial please. This is stupid, Indy is also a Raider. Indy Jones and the Lost Ark, Lucas don't do it!!!
Call it luck, call it fate, call it karma by Alessan	Jul 27th, 1999 02:53:25 AM
... but I believe that Ghostbusters is one of the greatest comedies ever made, up there with The Court Jester and the Marx brother's best films. It's also the only film I know virtually by heart, having seen it maybe 200 times (it's my Dad's favorite film too - I only have to mention the phrase "important safety tip" and he cracks up. I've never seen Murray deliver a bad performance. The man is a god - a relatively lower echelon, layed-back sort of god, but a god nonetheless - and the American people should be more aware of the fact that his existance is a privelage to their nation. Thank you.
Bill Murray by Lady C	Jul 27th, 1999 03:00:15 AM
Thanks for the commentary on the brilliant career of Bill Murray. I am a huge fan and have basically wanted to marry the man since I was 9 years old. Your country should be very proud of such a comedy genius!
Bill Murray by Billy Idol	Jul 27th, 1999 03:07:34 AM
Bill Murray is a comic god, on par with Richard Pryor, (early) Eddie Murphy, and Andy Kaufman. And not only is he absolutely hilarious, he makes you feel better about yourself: he's not very attractive, he's bald, overweight, and yet his wit and charm always win him the hot ladies. A welcome change from the typical Hollywood image of a leading man. Side note: most of Murray's lines in Tootsie were improvised (the script would just say "JEFF responds" or "JEFF questions MICHAEL" More proof of his comic genius...
Thief! by Darth Taun Taun	Jul 27th, 1999 03:24:29 AM
Man, if you're going to blatantly rip off Roger Ebert's review of Rushmore with the whole "Graduate" comparison, at least give the man some credit. And yes, Bill Murray is a goddamn genius.
Groundhog Day by Templer	Jul 27th, 1999 03:32:28 AM
I might be making a long shot here, but I predict that in 50 years, "Groundhog Day" will be remembered with almost the same amount of affection as "It's A Wonderful Life." Murray's performance in that film is -- I believe -- the best of his career. Or at least, should be his most cherished. Also, the film seems to have gained such a large cult status around the world you can tell the film has touched a special nerve within people from all over.
Big Bad Bill by Zcarstheme	Jul 27th, 1999 03:35:39 AM
'Quick Change' is definitely a bit of a lost gem. The chemistry of the leads is a rare treat to behold, and it kind of hurts to see it sitting in the Bargain Bucket in most video shops. Makes me want to grab every customer renting a Chevy Chase movie, and cunningly swap the box in their hand so they accidentally take a good film home with them. Spread a little happiness, and all. Oh, and I've calmed down about the Indy title change thing, mainly because 'Beppo The Super Monkey' is such a FANTASTIC title..
No Theft Involved... Just Common Sense by Moriarty	Jul 27th, 1999 03:45:58 AM
Hey, Darth Taun Taun (jeez, the names around here)... I've never read Roger's review of RUSHMORE, but any filmgoer who is well versed in older films would have picked up the strong GRADUATE vibe that RUSHMORE gives off. It's unavoidable, and I'm sure even intentional on the part of Wes Anderson. And to whoever brought up GROUNDHOG DAY, I forgot to mention what a turning point that film was for many people regarding Murray. They realized that they didn't just laugh at him... they loved him. "Moriarty" out.
Indy is a Raider ? by Darth Fart	Jul 27th, 1999 04:09:09 AM
Don't you think Indy is a Raider ? He is stealing it for display in a musuem. The ARK was never meant to be moved. The ARK isn't his or the NAZI's hence the title I could be wrong though.
Yes, he is a Raider! What's next, Jaws the Shark? by Drath	Jul 27th, 1999 04:48:00 AM
It's such a tight and kick butt movie, only total morons would need the Indiana Jones name tacked on. The sequels were inferior(not as inferior as Moriarty contends, but still less than the first) so they are the only ones that need Indy's name. People will always watch Raiders because that's the classic! Like It's like saying that there's a shark in "Jaws." What idiot needs that information in the title? This is more surperfluous than the added junk in Star Wars Special Edition. George, stop adding to the old movie you made that were masterpieces. Focus instead on adding to the movie you only half finished and released this summer! Get those effects nailed, introduce Jar Jar better, give Anakin a moment to look up in awe at those sleek Naboo fighters, but do not touch the title or any frame of Raiders! Okay, remaster it, but change nothing!
Murray by Jidaigeki	Jul 27th, 1999 04:48:03 AM
Never knew that about Chevy Chase. What an asshole.
Good summary of HALF Bill Murray's career by Taxman	Jul 27th, 1999 04:55:52 AM
Thanks for 'attempting' a wrapping up of Mr Murray's career, but I can't believe you didn't mention his best work in Groundhog Day and also in the understated and underated Mad Dog and Glory! And what about Kingpin for some of his funniest scenes! You didn't mention them, yet you managed to mention Larger than Life, and The Man who knew to Little. Well, I'm afraid you do the man a disservice. On the other issue here, I can't see why it's THAT big a deal about making it Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc (it does take a while to type though doesn't it). Call me a blasphemer, but I never saw what was the big deal about the film anyway. Kinda dull, kinda silly, and not exactly very deep.
"Indian Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" by Call me Kenneth	Jul 27th, 1999 05:02:15 AM
I'd pay to see that movie. I too find it incredible that you failed to mention Groundhog Day. This is a film I can watch again and again, in some kind of ironic twist on the whole thing. It just get's funnier. I'd like to marry Bill too. And I'm a man.
MURRAY Vs. chase by Milo_357	Jul 27th, 1999 05:06:58 AM
How can I put this simply? Chevy Chase SUCK APE NUTS. simple? Bill Murray ROCKS. When he dies, he'll be doing standup for God. simple? Thank you for your time. -- Milo
"You're a little monkey woman..." by W. Leach	Jul 27th, 1999 05:12:14 AM
Bill Murray has always been my favorite SNL actor to make it in the movies. While I consider my favorite SNL player (past or present) to be Chevy Chase (who really WAS an overnight celebrity in 1975-1976), his movie work (with the exceptions of CADDYSHACK, NATIONAL LAMPPON'S VACATION, and FLETCH) can't hold a candle to Murray's. Among my favorite Murray films: WHERE THE BUFFALO ROAM (1980). Okay, so the movie itself is pretty much of a dud, but Murray gives an interesting performance as Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson. In fact, Murray was so into the character of Thompson, that when he returned to SNL for the 1979-1980 season (he was still shooting the movie), he stayed in character the whole time. If you watch some shows from this season, you'll definetely notice Murray seems to be phoning in his performances. For the most part he looks bored, cranky, and just plain miserable. Compare it to an earlier season, and you'll see what I mean. The movie died a horrible box office death, and Murray, who was a pain behind the scenes as well at this time, quickly shed his Thompson personality. The movie isn't as cartoony as FEAR & LOATHING...it's more of a realistic portrait of Thompson. STRIPES (1981). Like Moriarty said, this is an uneven film. The first half is brilliant, with Murray's character losing his girlfriend, his apartment, and his pizza. The army induction scene, the basic training scenes, and Murray's smart remarks to his sergeant (Warren Oates) are memorable. But the film seems to take a totally different turn after the sergeant is injured, and the guys are on their own. Sure there are still funny moments, but none as good as the beginning portion. GHOSTBUSTERS (1984) is probably the definitive Bill Murray comedy. If someone were to say "Who's Bill Murray?" this would be the one for them to watch. It's his movie all the way, from the "electricute the nerd" scene to the finale, where he barely has any Stay-Puft on him. Oops. I almost forgot about CADDYSHACK (1980). I did not know the character of Carl was more or less created on the set. Carl basically IS CADDYSHACK. It would be unimaginable without him. You think I'm wrong? One only needs to look at the painful CADDYSHACK II (with Dan Aykroyd more or less playing--or trying to play--I say shamelessly rip off--the Murray role). THE RAZOR'S EDGE (1984) is an underrated adaptation of the classic novel, with Murray playing a dramatic role, that of a World War One vet looking for spirituality. After the success of GHOSTBUSTERS, Columbia promised Murray any project he wanted. Although the film was widely panned, it's actually quite good, and an early example of Murray's dramatic skills. LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS (1986) Although Murray was taking time off from film work, he agreed to appear in Frank Oz's adaptation of the off-Broadway hit (based, of course, on the Roger Corman film). While the stage musical didn't have the scene with the pain-loving patient, the original did, played memorably by Jack Nicholson. Murray and Steve Martin walk away with the funniest five minutes in the film, with Murray's pain-loving character acheiving orgasm as his teeth are pulled, causing Martin's dentist to throw him out of his office in disgust. A brilliant scene, that I suspect was improvised on the set. SCROOGED (1988). This is a brilliant updating of A CHRISTMAS CAROL, written by Mitch Glazer and Michael O'Donoghue (who wrote for SNL in the 1970s). Bill Murray in a perennial Christmas favorite? Yup. And he does fine as a slimy TV president who discovers the true meaning of Christmas via three ghosts. QUICK CHANGE (1990). I hadn't seen this one in a while, but viewed it recently last week. It's a good adaptation of Jay Cronley's novel about a man who robs a bank disguised as a clown, but who can't seem to get out of New York City. Murray co-directed the film, which, if I remember correctly, bombed when it was originally released. WHAT ABOUT BOB? (1991). Murray as a hypochondriac who follows psychiatrist Richard Dreyfuss and familynon vacation. Another Frank Oz-directed effort, WAB? is one of Murray's best films: "Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm psychotic, and so am I." In 1993, Murray released two offbeat films, one a quirky comedy, the other a quirky black comedy. GROUNDHOG DAY is probably Murray's best starring role since GHOSTBUSTERS, with him playing a snobby TV weatherman who gets stuck in Pennsylvania for the annual waking of the groundhog, and is forced to relive that day over and over. His next, MAD DOG AND GLORY, pitted him against Robert De Niro. De Niro plays a cowardly cop who saves the life of a mobster, played by Bill Murray. As a gift, Murray "gives" him a young woman, Glory (Uma Thurman) to do whatever he wants with her for one week. Naturally, De Niro and Thurman fall in love, and when Murray comes to collect...originally Murray was offered the role of the cop, and De Niro the mobster, but the two decided to switch roles, playing against type. It works. Finally, ED WOOD (1994). As I said before, I consider this one to be Tim Burton's masterpiece. Every role is perfectly cast, including Murray as drag queen Bunny Breckenridge, who yearns for a sex change operation ("Goodbye, penis!"), and who is memorably cast in Wood's PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE. Brilliant, brilliant movie. I look forward to Murray in the upcoming Hamlet, as Polonius, and the Orson Welles drama THE CRADLE WILL ROCK.
What a Dork by The Doctor	Jul 27th, 1999 05:21:37 AM
Taxman, your email address seems very appropriate. In case you didn't notice, Raiders of the Lost Ark is an action movie. Go watch a damn Bergman movie and shut up.
chase vs murray??!!! by temp	Jul 27th, 1999 05:23:41 AM
I wonder if moriarty is correct on this chase vs. murray thing. for one, he is completely incorrect about chase and murray only being together in caddyshack. last year, when murray was promoting "rushmore" he hosted snl. during the show, they did a caddyshack skit and chevy chase did a guest appearance WITH murray. It certainly did not seem like they were enemies.
"Bad Dates." by r_dimitri22	Jul 27th, 1999 05:25:11 AM
Harry did mention the title change last week, and I made the exact same point in talkback that Moriarty makes above. Indiana Jones is the primary "raider" of the lost ark. Not only is the title change awkward and blasphemous, but also it makes no sense. Additionally, I agree with Moriarty's point about the quality of the first film as compared to the other two. I love both Temple of Doom and the Last Crusade, but Raiders transcends them both.
"Not bad for a quadriped." by r_dimitri22	Jul 27th, 1999 05:40:24 AM
I agree that Moriarty should have mentioned Groundhog Day. I quote Murray's dialogue from that as if not more often than I do Ghostbusters. Regardless, both are masterpieces, and Murray is the master. (Incidentally, I didn't care much for Rushmore. It needed more Bill Murray!) Deltahead, I agree that the word "raider" has at its root the negative connotation which you claim. I also acknowledge that Indy's primary purpose was to keep the Ark away from the Nazis. However, you can't tell me that as an archaeologist Indiana Jones did not derive some excitement from successfully using the map room and from excavating the Well of Souls. Indiana did not truly realize that he had no more business messing with the Ark than the Nazis did until the conclusion. On a separate topic, I recall the first time that I saw Raiders (when I was 6 years old). I remember hoping that if Marion could come back to life that maybe the Nazi monkey could as well. (I just thought the monkey was cute. I didn't understand that he was an agent of evil.)
Taxman. Oh dear. by PMD	Jul 27th, 1999 05:42:18 AM
Don't usually do this kind of thing, but felt I had to throw in my 2 cents worth. Taxman,I figure there's two possible motivations for your post. 1. You actually love ROTLA and you are just trying to incite some sort of 'reaction' from anguished film geeks. If this is the case, grow up. 2. You actually think the film is 'dull and silly' and you meant every word you said. If this is the case...er...give up watching films mate, because you have missed the entire f**king point. I usually respect other people's opinions, but on the basis of your comments, I actually feel a tremendous amount of pity for you. Another definition of solipsist by the way is 'I am a wanker and have an 'eclectic' opinion just for the sake of it.'
Indiana Jones by Azure Tyger	Jul 27th, 1999 06:16:52 AM
Although it doesn't get me all hot and bothered, aren't there better alternatives to changing the movie title? Can't they just sub title the jacket of all three or something so that they display in order? It doesn't matter that much to me, though, it will still be the same awesome movie.
Indiana Jones and the Other Raiders of the Lost Ark by tdibble1	Jul 27th, 1999 06:17:19 AM
Um ... yeah, well, at least it's logically correct. But then, people might read it and think "Oh, here's Raiders of the Lost Ark, and here's the 'Other' Raiders of the Lost Ark" ... Ugh, this naming thing is maddenning. ---- Can't think of a single Bill Murray movie I haven't enjoyed.
Our Boy Bill by BlinkBoy	Jul 27th, 1999 06:27:01 AM
Moriarty, my good man, I must confess to not being much of a fan of your long-winded articles. They rarely do anything at all for me. Until I saw the name "Bill Murray" in the little blurb. "What could he have to say about my god and saviour Bill Murray? I must read on and know!" What a loving tribute you've made to the most subtle comic genius in film history. I commend you, sir, for your words and will now be an enthusiastic read from this day forth. Bill Murray can, with a single solitary glance, convey more sarcasm and cynicism than any of these "jaded 20-something Gen Xer comedians". I will leave you now with one of the quintessential Bill Murray "Ghostbusters" quotes: "No, we're exterminators. Someone saw a cockroach on three." "Must be one helluva big cockroach." "Bite yer head off, man."
Blair Witch commercials by soylentphil	Jul 27th, 1999 06:49:03 AM
Moriarty's confused - what's remarkable about the Blair Witch campaign is not that there haven't been commercials (there have); what the press is remarking upon is that there have been NO NETWORK SPOTS. That means the big four or five - all the spots have been on cable channels, which is unheard of for a summer flick that's doing this well.
A constructive solution? by StuEdwards	Jul 27th, 1999 06:59:30 AM
It seems that the only reason that they want to change the title is so that it will set next to the other two films on the video shelves. If this is the case, then why don't they just put 'Indiana Jones In...' in VERY SMALL TYPE above the real title? No-one will ever call it anything else other than 'Raiders of The Lost Ark' anyways, because it's too much of a mouthful! Solved!
Farrelly Bros. Talk Murray by Elston Gunn	Jul 27th, 1999 07:09:08 AM
Check out the KINGPIN Special Edition DVD (I think it's a special edition, it may be the only KINGPIN DVD out there). ANYWAY, during their commentary the Farrelly Bros. say that Bill Murray is the funniest man on the face of the earth hands down. They also go on to mention how much of his performance was improv. "You're on a gravy train with biscuit wheels," "Hi--not you--hi." Great stuff and you'll appreciate Murray EVEN MORE. Genius, indeed. Looking forward to his role in Tim Robbins' THE CRADLE WILL ROCK.
DWD: Raiders Name Change & Lucasfilm by DwDunphy	Jul 27th, 1999 07:22:03 AM
As far as I know, it's not Paramount that is calling for the "Raiders" name change, it's Lucasfilm itself,citing creating "Continuity". So keep on complaining about it. Frankly, I hate the idea they're changing the name, but it's happened before. Can anyone else here say "Star Wars... A New Hope?"
A Rose By Any Other Name by Stefka	Jul 27th, 1999 07:22:44 AM
What is all the fuss about the name change for Raiders of the Lost Ark. Get over it people. It's not like they are changing the movies or digitally erasing Ford's genitals or anything. Sheesh!
What about Groundhog Day? by M. Hulot	Jul 27th, 1999 07:22:46 AM
I know Harold Ramis deserves a lot of credit for the genius that s GROUNDHOG DAY, but surely this movie deserves mention in a long bit on Bill Murray's great career. Seriously, this is one of the best movies of the nineties, and it just gets better every time you watch it. Murray does a more subtle job of comic acting here than he's ever done before and more than matches his Rushmore performance. If you haven't seen it yet, GO RENT IT!!!!!! (Has Moriarty seen it, I wonder?)
Indy Last Crusade by Fenn Rysha	Jul 27th, 1999 07:25:31 AM
I'm afraid I have to disagree on Moriarty's rating of the three Indy films. I am of the firm opinion that Last Crusade is the best of the bunch and contrary to his statement about repeat viewings and a half-hearted effort, I could (and have) watch it over and over. But I agree that they shouldn't re-title it. That's just plain crazy. I'd still buy Raiders and Crusade on DVD though... (as long as they are cleaned up and have some nice extras-unfortunately, Lucas seems to be staying away from DVD...)
Murray as "serious" actor by nipper	Jul 27th, 1999 07:44:32 AM
Thanks W. Leach for bringing up THE RAZOR'S EDGE. This is one of my favorite Murray flicks and I could never understand why it wasn't better received. I remember SNL ran a gag commercial for it at the time: "Bill Murray as you've never seen him before...boring." I couldn't believe they would do that. Considering all the absolute crap that SNL alum have put onto celluloid over the years, why pick on something good, just because it's "serious." For those of you who haven't seen it, I recommend it. He adds a lot of warmth and humor to a stiff, often-melodramatic plot. The original version of this movie had Tyrone Power as the lead--good looking but dull as paste. I read the original novel and I think the character is really more suited to someone "real" like Bill. Besides, he's just really charming in the love scenes. By the way, I've had a crush on him for ages, so that must go to show that he's leading man material. THE RAZOR'S EDGE is also notable because under-rated brother, Brian Doyle Murray plays a small role as Bill's mentor during WWI. Their scenes together are funny and touching.
Raiders by primemover	Jul 27th, 1999 07:46:11 AM
When Raiders of the Lost Ark came out the character of Indiana Jones was an unknown property. It was a serial..with a flashy main character. But after its success, Indiana Jones became the star and main attraction. Actually, I liked Raiders because there was that sense that he wasnt the star...the Ark was. If he had looked at the ark he would have been toast like the nazis. It was about the search for the ark..indiana jones was just one of the players. It is a stupid title change however...how about Fred c. Dobbs and the Treasure of the Sierra Madre? :\
Indy by Z	Jul 27th, 1999 07:46:20 AM
nice article about Bill M., always like the guy. I'm probably in the minority here, but my personal fave is Indy.... temple of doom. Lucas gave spielberg total control on that project and spielberg ran with it. It's the most gruesome, most frightening, most coolest Indy movie. Shit, it even parodies the first Indy movie (the scene where Indy reaches for his gun, cocky grin on his face, only to realize it's not there!). we owned all three of the Indy movies when I was a kid, but the one I kept coming back to was the temple of doom (saw them all in the theatre too). I'll never forget cringing and closing my eyes when they're in that cave filled with all sorts of nasty, creepy crawly bugs (IMHO much, much creepier then Indy and marion in the snake pit). Oh, well, i understand why people like raiders better, it's the original, the first. But to me, at least, Temple of Doom will always be the best. Oh yeah, forgot to mention, i agree, the title does not need to be changed, raiders of the lost ark is a kick ass title.
Scrooged and other tributes by All Thumbs	Jul 27th, 1999 08:25:38 AM
Moriarty, I'm surprised you didn't mention that Murray's role in GHOSTBUSTERS was originally written for Belushi. You could have tied it in to the replacing Chase thing. Belushi was a great comedian, but I honestly don't think he could have pulled off the arrogance and wit of Vehnkman that was needed in the movie. It would have been an entirely different movie because Murray and Weaver, along with Rick Moranis(in his better days...sigh) made that movie. 'Nuff said. To Leech, thank you for mentioning SCROOGED!!! That is my favorite Christmas movie of all time...the best part is when the old bums think he's Richard Burton. Classic...and true, he does look a bit like him, especially when you take a look at Burton in CLEOPATRA opposite Liz Taylor. To SSZero, I have to say I agree with you. (wow, we agree on something!) There should be more tributes paid to people while they are alive rather than look back and thank them for their warmth, entertainment and groundbreaking antics when it's too late. "I'm a nut, but not just a nut." -Bill Murray
Star Wars was not always Part IV by soylentphil	Jul 27th, 1999 08:43:40 AM
"I own the last edition that was put out in a blue boxed set I believe it was '92 or '93 and "A New Hope" has always been there." Whoah, really reaching back into the vaults, huh? I'm not sure about the "A New Hope" part, but Star Wars had "Episode IV" added to the crawl somewhere around 1979/1980. It was not on the 1977 release. I have film magazines from the time period that confirm this. In the beginning, Lucas had no idea what legs the franchise had - if he did, that frigging Holiday Special would not exist.
to DeVore by r_dimitri22	Jul 27th, 1999 08:53:05 AM
If your first point is true, then it is a good one. I was not aware that Lucas originally conceived that title. That makes this a little less irksome. Nevertheless, I still think that "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is a better title. Just because those words still appear in the title does not make the new title any less burdensome. You're talking about the fact that I can comfortably shorten the titles to "Temple of Doom" and "Last Crusade" when speaking. I'm talking about preserving a film for posterity as the public originally knew and loved it. Star Wars is not a fair comparison, because the episodes in Star Wars are clearly sequential and dependent upon each other. The Indiana Jones films function as a serial and are therefore independent adventures. As for your third point, if Indy is one of the "raiders," it doesn't make as much sense to list him separately. It's not a totally illogical fallacy, but it just doesn't flow as well for me. Yes, he is participating in "The Last Crusade," but that doesn't mean that Indiana Jones is an actual subset of that adventure known as The Last Crusade. Likewise, Indiana Jones is certainly not a subset of the Temple of Doom. Therefore, I do not think this point is "sadly juvenile," as you say.
Scrooged, Indy & A New Hope by Chrisedge	Jul 27th, 1999 08:55:36 AM
Scooged is a classic too. "I want a disclaimer run every half hour!" Indy: I don't like it, but I'll get over it. Cause...I got over A New Hope. To the guy above thinking it's always been there, You must be under 25, cause if you saw it in '77 it's STAR WARS, nuttin else. Chrisedge
That's all she wrote by Lester	Jul 27th, 1999 09:00:38 AM
Bill Murray is to my generation what Sandler seems to be to the kids today, which is quite sad. But I don't want to build Murray up by taking Sandler down. In a hundred years when they're looking back on what was cinema, Murray will be one of the perormers that endures. And, I hate to be the nitpicker, but it was Howard Franklin (The Public Eye) who co-directed Quick Change with Murray and not Carl Franklin (One False Move).
Murray as god by Darkly	Jul 27th, 1999 09:15:45 AM
Check out this month's Sight and Sound (top-grade if artsy-biased UK film magazine) for an article discussing just exactly how brilliant Murray really is. Now that's recognition. Of a sort.
Murray by Evil Otto	Jul 27th, 1999 09:16:06 AM
"And stop staring at me, . . . you've got the bug eyes"
Dammit man... by creamy goodness	Jul 27th, 1999 09:23:54 AM
Pictures for your review of the LOTR script?!?! Dammit man, I wouldn't care if you inked the review in chicken's (or henchmen's) blood, then scanned it in! Just give us it! Yes, my precious. Give it us! Smeagol will keep nice script, yes precious. Nice script... Um... sorry. -CG
Such a good gush job I thot Murray was dead... by Fred4sure	Jul 27th, 1999 09:47:08 AM
Nice tribute, Professor. It scared me, though. I thought maybe Murray had kicked the bucket while I wasn't looking. Not too long ago I never would have thought Lucas could get away with renaming Raiders of the Lost Ark, but I guess he figured if we bought 'The Phantom Menace' we'd buy anything. And we will. --Fred4Sure
Bad news concerning Indy and DVD by Matt Martinez	Jul 27th, 1999 10:12:44 AM
From what I've read, it seems that there are no plans as of yet to release the Indiana Jones Trilogy (including Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark---what's the big deal about that? It's just four words. Now if Lucas tries to make the swordsman shoot first, maybe then I'll be pissed.) on DVD. This may be part of Stephen Spielberg's evil scheme to toally piss off the DVD consumers. I hope VHS all but dies out some time in the near future so he can stop being such an ass about releasing his movies on DVD!
What's wrong with changin the name? by PumkinKing	Jul 27th, 1999 10:21:20 AM
I'm sure if they had the foresight to see sequals, they would have named the original "Indiana Jones and the..." anyway. It's not like people haven't taken to calling the original Star Wars "...:A New Hope". I mean, get real... you can't be so generation-centric as to assume that our future spawn will automatically know that the three IJ titles are related without the addition to the title (I can't even recall which were the Dirty Harry titles... I mean, if I cared) Besides, I figure it'll give fan-boys one more thing to brag about down the line...(ie "yep, this is one of the original releases... before they changed the title")
Chevy Chase/Bill Murray were recently on screen together by Cineman	Jul 27th, 1999 10:23:43 AM
I don't know if Moriarty caught the recent episode of Saturday Night Live that Bill Murray hosted but in one sketch that was about the film Caddyshack, Chase made a surprise appearance and the two of them looked like they were having fun in this little semi-reunion. Maybe this was a sign that they had ended their little feud. BTW, you forgot to mention how great Bill was in Kingpin, one of the funniest movies ever!
Whither "Razor's Edge"? by Alexandra DuPont	Jul 27th, 1999 10:37:23 AM
Great Bill Murray retrospective, Moriarty, but there's at least one glaring omission that I would have loved to see you put into context: His weird remake of "The Razor's Edge."
Viva Bill Murray by stevecheese	Jul 27th, 1999 11:03:34 AM
Bill Murray is definitely a genius. Enough so, that even the X-FILES decided to do a tribute episode to two of his great films, GROUNDHOG DAY and QUICK CHANGE.
Steve Martin by Killer Bee	Jul 27th, 1999 11:07:53 AM
Bill Murray is without a doubt a great actor. And since we're posting messages about a comic genious, let me mention another who also desrves some respect. I'm talking about Steve Martin. Yes, he's also a very funny man. Also, what's the big deal about the name change? The title is essentially the same, only they tacked on the name Indiana Jones and a colon like the other two movies. It still says Raiders of the Lost Ark, and surely this decision by paramount does not deserve to be compared to its decision to make the Carrot Top movie (sound of puking). I think your making to big a deal about a stupid title alteration. Obviously Moriarty, your still a little steamed up about all this MPAA nonsense that's been happening lately, so cool down a little, it's not the end of the world.
Chase Vs. Murray by W. Leach	Jul 27th, 1999 11:15:14 AM
Okay, here's the deal on the rivalry between Chevy Chase and Bill Murray: Chase left SNL on October 30, 1976, a few weeks into the second season. Bill Murray had actually auditioned for SNL in early 1975, but Lorne Michaels felt he was too young. Billy joined the cast of an ABC series called SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE WITH HOWARD COSELL. When Chase left, SNL had a player to replace. By then, the Cosell show was history. Bill didn't join the cast until January 1977, right after the Christmas break. Contrary to popular belief, he wasn't an overnight sensation. In fact, most of America hated him for apparently taking Chevy's place. Murray seemed uncomfortable on the air during his first few shows, flubbing lines, and often stuttering a bit. Finally, midway through the season, he developed a following, due to his smarmy Weekend Update commentaries and his Nick the Lounge Singer act. By October, 1978, Murray, along with John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd, was the star of the show. Chevy Chase came back to host that month, acting every bit the superstar. Murray (and many others associated with the show) resented this holier-than-thou attitude. The two bickered throughout rehearsals, and finally, everything boiled over on Saturday night. Minutes before airtime, Murray and Chase got into an argument. Murray said something like "It's my show now," and Chase replied that Murray's acne-scarred face "looked like Neil Armstrong walked on it." A few punches were thrown, but they mostly hit Belushi and Aykroyd, who were holding the two fighters back. Needless to say, the show went on, without any problems (except that Chase seemed quite shaken), and during the goodnights, Aykroyd and Belushi stood on both sides of Murray, to make sure he didn't lose his cool. During SNL's 1980 season (the last with the original cast), Chase returned. During Chevy's opening monologue, Bill Murray came out, and the two apparently made up on the air, even singing a medley of songs together (including, of all things, I AM THE WALRUS). Apparently the two have been friends (or at least on speaking terms) since then. Like a few posters mentioned, Chevy made a guest appearance on SNL earlier this season when Murray hosted.
I make it a rule never to get involved with posessed people... by chiefy	Jul 27th, 1999 11:32:28 AM
...well, actually it's more of a guideline than a rule. Bill rocks. No question. I've loved him since I was 8. His performance in Caddyshack was awesome. I particularly love the scene where's he's fashioning plastic explosives into the shape of small woodland creatures to try to fool the gopher. "yeah, hello mr. gopher, it's me, mr. squirrel. I'm not a plastic explosive or anything." Groundhog Day is also great; it's a movie that shows an amazing amount of heart and sincerity for all of Bill's sarcasm. And Stripes is a legend. "Lee Harvey, you are a MADMAN!"
"Nobody Likes A Whiner" by Slygabo	Jul 27th, 1999 11:45:58 AM
Moriarity you evil bastard. You had to go and mess up a great homage to the great Bill Murray with a complaint about something as trivial as a title change. Now the talkback is littered with Raiders arguments when it should have been simply a forum to honor Murray. In the man's immortal words from GBII (another unmentioned film, not his best, but so what?) "Nobody likes a whiner."
Re: thanks for the goddamn corrections by jeffv	Jul 27th, 1999 11:51:19 AM
Montag606: neither "Episode IV" nor "A New Hope" were on the opening crawl of the original May 1977 release of Star Wars. It was changed only in re-release, once they realised there was a future. You said you didn't see it until two years after its initial release, so the first version you saw was probably this touched-up version. Anyway, this Indy title change IMHO is all part of a dumbing-down trend in Hollywood. We've had a number of one-word, get-the-plot-in-the-title movie names lately. A movie about a police negotiator? We'll call it "The Negotiator". "On Any Given Sunday" was changed to "The League" (at least for a time). I seem to recall some desire to retitle "Deep Blue Sea" to something more blatant as well, but I might be imagining it. (BTW, I don't count "The Matrix" in this as the meaning of the name isn't obivous.) To the "Jaws the Shark" suggestion, I'd say if they were titling it now for the first time and there was no investment in the name "Jaws", it'd just be called "The Shark".
Stripes variation by Van Helsing	Jul 27th, 1999 11:58:14 AM
Anybody else seen the Stripes bootleg? video with the different ending? After the montage of magazine covers, the screen darkens, we hear a plane in trouble... followed by a short bit on an island, with Bill serenading the locals! I got the tape several months before the movie was released at theaters. A few other different scenes also...
Get a grip, people! by acaana	Jul 27th, 1999 12:00:14 PM
Okay, I don't think it is necessary at all for RotLA's name to be changed... but what's the bug deal? All this "sign of the apocolyps" stuff and "Paramount are a bunch of morons" stuff is just stupid. Remember a little movie called Star Wars? Well, when it became increasingly clear that it was going to be a part of a bigger series, it got a name change (for those of you living under a rock, it was to "Star Wars: A New Hope"). Did the world end? No. Did ANYONE out there refuse to buy the multiply-versions of the video or boycott the theatrical release of the Special Editions? No, not anyone that I know. So just deal with it. BTW, Moriarty, that LotR piece had better come soon, or I just may starve to death waiting...
Murray and Ramis by GodBear	Jul 27th, 1999 12:12:44 PM
I've said for years that Bill Murray was a genius but you know what's even more genius. Bill Murray and Harold Ramis. Ramis is probably the funniest movie writer around and he knows how to write for Murray and Murray knows how to run with the material. Off the subject of Ramis, for all out Murray smartass and wit I think you have to go with Quick Change and Scrooged. Lets see Mike Meyers or Sandler share the screen with so many really funny people, let them have their moments and still own the film. "Yeah. Great story. Go tell readers digest."
Opps! by acaana	Jul 27th, 1999 12:13:53 PM
Opps! I meant "BIG" deal...
If you want to know how good Bill Murray really is, go see the c by paragonian	Jul 27th, 1999 12:49:33 PM
A lot of the best stuff in that movie was improvised by Murray and the Farrely Brothers were smart enough to let Murray do whatever he wants. Go check it out.
The SS Minoe. by TheButcher	Jul 27th, 1999 01:06:01 PM
What about Scrooged? This has got to be one of the best christmas films I have ever seen. It takes the whole Christmas Carol idea into modern times without losing the heart and soul of Scrooge. This film is the best version of Charles Dickens immortal classic that I have ever scene and that is because of Bill Murray. One of the best scenes in the whole movie is between Bill and The Ghost of Christmas Past as they watch a rerun of his relationship between father and mother. That scene always makes laugh and then breakdown into tears. The father's line about people and their excuses for not working "My back hurts, My legs ache, I'M ONLY FOUR!" one of the best lines in the whole movie and the interaction between the young bill and his mom always breaks my heart. What a great way to reincarnate Scrooge then to make him a TV executive who is cheap, selfish, and only cares about ratings. The guy sends his secretary a towel instead of a bonus. Bill Murray truly is amazing with this script. You can see the way the character grows throughout the film and I know no other actor could achieve the same effect as Mr. Bill Murray.
musings . . . by fonebone	Jul 27th, 1999 01:08:24 PM
(1) I'm glad someone agrees with me on "Last Crusade" -- a sad imitation of Raiders, indeed. (2) Groundhog Day was not only funny, it was almost exisitential -- like Sartre's "No Exit." (3) Does anybody think Blair Witch should have opened more widely on July 16? I'm not sure why it's coming out in dribs and drabs. Also, I agree with the poster who clarified that BWP has had no network commercials.
Veeck As In Wreck?? by Moleman	Jul 27th, 1999 01:13:22 PM
i've been seeing this film's title in bill murray's filmography in the IMDB for the past couple of years. does anyone know anything at all about it??
My Love for Bill and Sigourney... by Mia Fudge	Jul 27th, 1999 02:27:35 PM
And a young girl in Alabama screams: "Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!" I've had a 20-some year crush on Bill, ever since seeing "Meatballs", and those SNL skits with him giving noogies to Gilda Radner...He's my biggest crush, and Sigourney Weaver my biggest female crush, so seeing them together--oooh...some people do not understand this. Some newspaper guy recently wrote about how unrealistic the ending of "There's Something About Mary" wuz because Cameron chose Ben Stiller over Brett Favre and Matt Dillon...(some people do not understand what women actually find appealing...make me laugh, baby.) Goodbye.
All of you people comparing the Raiders name change with the Sta by r_dimitri22	Jul 27th, 1999 02:35:43 PM
The Star Wars movies are sequential and dependent upon each other. Since Lucas wanted to refer to the entire story arc as "Star Wars," it is necessary to distinguish A New Hope from the other films. However, the Indiana Jones films are a serial. The adventures are not dependent upon each other (aside from the fact that Indy's survival implies there can be another movie and notwithstanding allusions that refer to the other films). You people who say "what's the big deal?" simply leave your argument at that. That's not going to convince me. You do not address any of the specific reasons I raise that this name change is ridiculous. DeVore is the only one who presented a cogent point by point argument as to why the name change is o.k. If what he says is true, than I will begrudgingly and unhappily accept the modification. (I still think it's wrong. I'm glad Lucas didn't kill Lando and destroy the Millenium Falcon, but the story would not have gone that way if not for test audiences.) Regardless of the process that created it, why tarnish cinematic perfection?
BOYCOTT Raiders DVD! And Roger Rabbit if they changed it as well by Funmazer	Jul 27th, 1999 03:07:00 PM
Raiders is my favorite movie. I plan to buy a DVD player soon. But I WILL NOT, WILL NOT, WILL NOOOOOOOTTTTT!!! buy a DVD called INDIANA JONES AND THE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. I'd rather watch my blurry, played-a-billion-times pan & scan TAPE of it, than some hack-eyed, named-changed CRAP! A title that long, when Indy walks in front of the mountain, we won't see ANYTHING!!! I urge ALL of you to NOT buy this. Make it known that we will NOT stand for this. Changing the name of one of the most classic films EVER and no one can deny that it isn't. What's next, "Casablanca, Cuz Everybody Comes to Ricks?" "The Ten Commandments from The Prince of Egypt" "A Civilization Gone With The Wind"? BOYCOTT AND STOP THEM NOW!!!!!!................. PART 2..... "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" is probably my second favorite film of all time. And I hear the DVD of this new release is gonna take out Baby Herman saying 'Excuse me, toots' in the opening scene. I WILL NOT, WILL NOT, WILL NOT buy a DVD of Roger Rabbit if they do something like this. BOYCOTT THAT AS WELL! I suppose they're gonna digitally remove Joel Silver from that scene as well, since he produced The Matrix which OBVIOUSLY caused the Columbine Incident? BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS. This pisses me off, why should I even BUY a DVD player when my 2 most favorite films can't be bought for it? BUT I STAND FIRM!!!!
Murray / Indy by Krinkle	Jul 27th, 1999 03:28:28 PM
Okay, I've just rifled through all of these postings, and I've gathered enough reactionary opinions to merit a posting of my own. As far as Bill Murray goes, I certainly don't think it would be fair to imply that he and Chevy Chase had quite so clear a gap in their talent levels. Both were, in thier prime, terrifically funny and subversive in a neo- "Bob And Ray" sort of way. And while I can't disagree that Chase's movie career has been a wash (the three "Vacation" sequels", the "Fletch" sequel, and just about everything else), I think certainly that his own work in Caddyshack (his finest screen work, I think) easily rivals Murray's one-note gross-out bit. And, on top of that, may I say that I can't IMAGINE how Moriarty could possible lionize "Ghostbusters" while slamming the last two Indiana Jones pictures. The ONLY action adventure film that could POSSIBLY make "Temple Of Doom" and "Last Crusade" look slightly less than top-notch would be "Raiders" (in a class by itself, wouldn't you say?) I would go so far as to say that the THREE Indy pictures are the three finest such pictures ever crafted in Hollywood. YES, that means I like them better than "Gunga Din" and the Errol Flynn "Robin Hood." (You would have to be Leonard Maltin not to.) And as far as "Ghostbusters" goes, having just rewatched the film with all the DVD bells and whistles, my first impression stands : it's just not FUNNY! It is really, really hard to try to be a special effects blow out AND a comedy, and I've always felt that "Ghostbusters" succeeds as neither. Dan Aykroyd's presence is too keenly felt, and I've never agreed with him on what is and what is not funny. And, while it's true that Murray's asides in the movie steal what there is of the show, the picture bogs down in a schizophrenic mess every time. I will say that I enjoy the sequel as bit more, as it at least has a gem of a comic idea (New York bad vibes setting of sci-fi apocalypse.) Where Bill Murray really shines, when all is said and done, is in his supporting roles (and the movies he chooses to grace the background of) : "Ed Wood", "Rushmore", "Kingpin", "Wild Things", and especially "Tootsie". Now , THAT'S a rock solid comic resume (and one that will, regardless of "Meatballs" and "Larger Than Life" and "The Man Who Knew Too Little", assure Murray's place in the pantheon.) By the way, wouldn't "Groundhog Day" have really been a keeper if Ramis had gone with the original idea of implying that Murray's character had spent a thousand years reliving that day, and that he had reached a level of Buddha-like wisdom? Oh, and as far as the "Raiders" retitle thing goes, I could care less if it means that Lucas is trying to generate hype for a fourth Indy vehicle. Bring it on! With all this running around that Harrison Ford is still doing in movies, he might as well be wearing that fedora, eh? (And consider this: a reliable source informed me, two years back, that ILM was doing some effects work on "Raiders". Whether this was a remaster or a revamp, it's interesting.)
bill murray for supreme ruler of earth, and here's why by tommy five-tone	Jul 27th, 1999 03:42:20 PM
[1] quick change - security guard: "what kind of clown are you?" bill (as gun-wielding bank-robbing clown): "the crying on the inside kind, i guess." [2] scrooged - burly stage hand: "you can hardly see them nipples." bill: "see? and these guys are REALLY looking." [3] ghostbusters - "egon, this reminds of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head...you remember that?" [4] stripes - "folks, don't order the schnitzel - they're using schnauzer." [5] ed wood - "you're definitely going to get a role, because you look like peggy lee...but i don't want anyone else to resent that." god DAMN, is anyone funnier than bill murray? thank you, moriarty, for giving bill his due.
brian doyle murray by gaveltogavel	Jul 27th, 1999 05:07:30 PM
saw somebody up there do a quick mention of brian doyle murray. why have we never seen this guy in big roles. he's always good! every damn little piece of film he's in FREAKIN SHINES! take a look at his roles in the vacation movies (director of that shit-ass log-cabin camp in the first vacation and chevy chase's evil boss in christmas vacation). the guy can bring laughs. by the way, thx moriarty for the bill murray retrospective. he truly is a national treasure. groundhog's day, meatballs, and rushmore are my faves. the only one of his films that never quite did it for me was scrooged. it seems too ungenuoinly sappy towards the end (although I love the ending credits where murray tries to get the audience to sing along. when i saw scrooged in the theater, everybody sang. quite an experience. nobody would be able to pull off a feat like that except for bill.) i'm actually more partial to a christmas story and, of all things, christmas vacation, for my holiday humor.
Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the lost collector's items by Powerslave	Jul 27th, 1999 05:32:54 PM
With this name change, does this mean the all old copies of "Raiders" will now become collector's items? They wouldn't be valuable, given the number of them out there, but they would at least become minor curios. On the subject of "Raiders," did any computer gamers out there catch the reference to the movie in the game "Sin?"
oh, by the way.... check this out by gaveltogavel	Jul 27th, 1999 05:39:17 PM
there's a great interview of Kevin Smith on the Howard Stern show posted over on www.newsaskew.com in streaming real audio. In it, Kevin describes a really scary meeting with Chevy Chase back when Smith was thinking about writing a new Fletch movie. The interview makes Chase look like a complete ass. pretty amusing stuff.
Who is this Moriarity character?!?! by Senor Smoke	Jul 27th, 1999 06:55:54 PM
Granted, I agree that Bill Murray is long overdue such accolades, and I really appreciate you mentioning a truly brilliant and underrated film (Quick Change). But to clear up a few things... Tootsie was released two years prior to Ghostbusters (1982 to 1984) and you apparently did not see Murray's last SNL guest hosting spot -- not only did he and Chase share the screen together -- they acted out the very scene from Caddyshack you described in a funny bit about that film permeating our society. But that's just me nitpicking... My big beef is your breakdown of Ghostbusters... it's my humble opinion that you have completely missed the boat -- real characters? The film, at it's core, is a sendup of effect-laden films and the beyond super superhero at it's center. Real? I always thought Murray and company (Murray, especially) were spoofing that role, putting a twist on the idea of who should be at the forefront of such a movie. I really don't think realism has a thing to do with it. In fact, it's his bigger than the film itself performance, the wink, wink, nudge, nudge, yeah, I know there's a 50 foot marshmellow man in the middle of downton New York that makes the film so damn funny. Who else could have pulled that off? I honestly can't think of a soul with the possible exception of pre-BHC Murphy. To me -- that's the essence of Bill Murray -- no matter how big the film is, no matter how out of control it might spin, he'll never let it swallow him. He'll always be on our side, sitting with us, fully aware of its magnitude and ridiculousness. For a prime example of a film that tried this approach and failed, see Men in Black -- not only was it a pale GB's ripoff, but Will Smith could never, not even in his dreams, touch Bill Murray when he's on. Maybe that's what you meant -- though I don't know if I'd use the word real. It seems Murray always rose to the occassion, even as the film got bigger (it's also why the sequel sucked such ass -- they tried to make the other guys just as funny, and boy, did they not seem in on the joke). He never lost sight of the joke in the first film he always let us know he was fully in on it -- always. One of the saddest days of this past year was receiving the news that Duvall, for giving a performance he could do in his sleep, was nominated and Murray wasn't -- I was crushed at the lack of balls the Academy showed. It was so safe and predictable -- and it promised to hide and shelter not just a pefromace, but a film that should be shown by more people... Also, I've read some of these posts -- and shame on you for not mentioning Groundhog Day!! I too feel this will be Murray's leagcy. No, it wouldn't rank, for me, above GB's, but it will, in my opinion, live longer. It is a powerhouse of a great film, and holds up to many repeated viewings. Thanks again for the Murray piece and for those who haven't seen Quick Change -- treat yourselves. The look on Murray's face when Quaid blows the whole plot is... well, vintage Murray!
"Scrooged," "Quick Change," and "Groundhog Day": by Freud	Jul 27th, 1999 07:44:04 PM
Three good reasons to be a movie freak in this day and age. Bill Murray is such a master that when he nails a role people think he's just being himself. They don't understand the skill, the training, the perfectionism inherent in a classic Murray performance. Could anyone else pull off the emotional speech at the end of "Scrooged," the clown act in "Quick Change," the casual middle finger in "Groundhog Day"??? Christ, he's amazing. In "Quick Change" one of the bank customers says to him "They don't give you no money if you ain't got no receipt" and the way Murray just BLINKS at him is pure genius. Even Murray's appearances on late-night talk shows are weird and amazing. And about that Chevy Chase thing: he's great in "Funny Farm," but Murray in that role would have made it a classic. Thanks Moriarty.
Murray is a comic Kingpen by The Godfather	Jul 27th, 1999 08:41:36 PM
First of all, Krinkle, how is Ghostbusters not funny? I just watched it on DVD and Murray absolutely kills! He is naturally funny in almost every scene.....Tommy five - tone you forgot one from Kingpen: "Keep em comin' sweets, I got a long drive ahead of me. And would you mind washin' that perfume off before you come back to our table?"..Murray has been a comic genuis I almost forgot all of his great performances until this chat session. Murray does improv most of his lines in Kingpen and it's easily the funniest shit from any Farrelly Bros movie. I think if you had to pick one movie to show people the true greatness of Murray it would have to be his hilarious, ironical, smug turn in Groundhog Day. And just think...on his death bed he will receive total consciencness. So he's got that goin' for him...which is nice. Out.
I almost forgot by The Godfather	Jul 27th, 1999 08:55:29 PM
Raiders is my third favorite movie of all time behind The Godfather and Godfather Part 2. Having said that I'm not gonna be happy if they change the name so I don't have to walk an extra 30 feet to find a movie. But, I'm also not going to deprive myself of the greatest action adventure movie ever made because some pencil pushing dipshit wants to change the title. I'll get over it as soon as I hear that great theme music from the genuis John Williams blaring out of my surround sound (on DVD) as some of you silly bastards try and tape together your 20 year old piece of shit beta machine while clinging to some ridiculous "I'll never give in to the name change" bullshit. Just a thought. Have a nice day. Out.
Read your sherlocks senorsmoke.Moriarty is the one with 'theBrai by morpheus	Jul 27th, 1999 10:19:02 PM
he's actually..(cue ominous music)...Pinky!!
I have to disagree... by ToasterKiller	Jul 27th, 1999 11:47:55 PM
... about indiana. If the title was being changed to "Indiana Jones and the big box that the Nazi's wanna get their hands on" I'd go out and buy it on DVD in a second. I wouldn't be happy about the title change, but I'd buy it anyway.
MORIARTY, GET IT RIGHT PLEASE. by RodimusPrime	Jul 28th, 1999 02:05:53 AM
It's "ZUUL" not "Zule", and it's not Zuul anyway who appears on the rooftop, it's GOZER. Gozer is a Sumerian god/goddess, also known as The Traveller and The Destructor. Zuul (and Vinz Clortho) are the "terror-dogs", demi-god servants of Gozer. Zuul possesses Dana Barrett, and Vinz possesses Louis Tully. Geez, Moriarty, if you are going to mention the masterpiece that is Ghostbusters, please get your facts straight. Oh, and by the way, Ghostbusters II is much better than people give it credit for, and features another masterful performance by Bill Murray. Go watch it again NOW.
to senor smoke by little joe	Jul 28th, 1999 02:13:49 AM
comparing will smith to bill murray is obscene!!! smith couldn't kiss murray's ass even if he would stand on his toes...
random thoughts by blueboy	Jul 28th, 1999 02:25:14 AM
just thought i'd throw my hat in the ring.. Yes, IJ&ROTLA is a bonehead title, but I don't think I'd be able to resist buying the DVD.. if it ever comes out, that is. I think the culprit for that is Spielberg, who I guess is still licking his wounds over DIVX; that's why there isn't a single Spielberg movie on DVD (that I know of, anyway). Lucas, on the other hand, has publicly commented favorably on the medium, and he and Rick McCallum have both said SW is gonna be available eventually; also, American Grafitti is on DVD, remastered (and it looks really great). Hey, somebody just told me that Amazon.com is taking pre-orders for TPM on VHS & DVD, have no idea what's going on there. Star Wars was originally just called Star Wars, no Ep. IV, no ANH. I still remember reading the Time article when Empire came out; it was a really big deal than it had the Ep. V subtitle on it. On Murray, I've always enjoyed his work; saw Where the Buffalo Roam again recently... it's not a very good movie, and it especially doesn't compare favorably to Gilliam's Fear and Loathing, which is a much better rendition of Thompson's personality and style in a cinematic setting. Murray is at pains doing his Thompson impression, though you gotta admire him for trying.
Blueboy by The Godfather	Jul 28th, 1999 04:01:33 PM
Just to let you know...I've seen Amistad and The Color Purple on DVD, but that's it. There might be one more, but I can't remember. Of course, the ones we're really waiting for are Raiders, Jaws, SPR, CEOT3K,etc...OUT.
a few more reasons why bill rules the world by tommy five-tone	Jul 28th, 1999 06:09:09 PM
[1] 'quick change' - "he actually said 'baby, up your butt with a coconut'. i think he was PREPARED TO DO IT! but i saw no coconuts..." [2] 'ed wood' - "let's hear you call boris karloff a cocksucker." [3] the end of 'scrooged', where the mute kid finally says "god bless us, every one", and bill's sublime reaction shot. get drunk on xmas eve and watch this, and you too will get misty-eyed and discover the true meaning of the season. [4] 'ghostbusters 2' - (to sigourney weaver) "may i put the baby down?" (to baby) "you're short and your belly button sticks out too far and you're a terrible burden on your poor mother!" [5] 'ghostbusters' - "dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!"
It's a real gas! by Wolfpack	Aug 16th, 2006 01:28:29 PM

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