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Must-Read Of The Day: The 1978 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK Story Conference Transcript!!!

Now THIS is some cool fucking news by Klytus_I.m_Bored	Mar 9th, 2009 03:35:34 PM

No, it isn't cool news. by LordPorkington	Mar 9th, 2009 03:37:34 PM
And yes, I'm in a grumpy mood today. Fool.
maybe not NEWS but definitely cool by Klytus_I.m_Bored	Mar 9th, 2009 03:38:52 PM
If you're not a cocksucker like Lord Fuckington.
Forth! by Jonas Grumpy	Mar 9th, 2009 03:41:56 PM
As in "go forth and read."
Done and downloaded... by ShogunMaster	Mar 9th, 2009 03:41:57 PM
I remember seeing Raiders as a kid and thinking, they can't possibly ruin a premise this great. Apparently Santa doesn't exist either...
NICE! by Pogue__Mahone	Mar 9th, 2009 03:43:17 PM
This is awesome! Aaaaannnnd nothing else will get done for the next little while!
Chariots of the Gods by Acquanetta	Mar 9th, 2009 03:44:53 PM
It's quite ironic to discover that Chariots of the Gods (along with Erich Von Daniken) was a major influence on Raiders as well. I'm actually beginning to think both the transcript and Darabont script were released by Lucas himself. Why? Because he comes off looking pretty good after reading both. The most startling revelation here is that Raiders was almost entirely Lucas' baby. He was the one that kept it grounded in believability, while Spielberg's main contributions were silly gags and over-the-top stunts. It definitely turns the "Lucas was responsible for everything bad in Indy 4" theory on its head.
The Staff of Rod? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 03:45:03 PM
Fake!
I was hoping they would publish this officially by Tacom	Mar 9th, 2009 03:46:59 PM
But it's cool to see it anyway!
What's cool... by Kal Reeve	Mar 9th, 2009 03:48:47 PM
Is that Spielberg and Lucas seem to be sitting around, talking like a couple of uber film geeks.
Thanks a bunch! by Pizza The Hut	Mar 9th, 2009 03:49:22 PM
You da man.
Re: where are the aliens? by Acquanetta	Mar 9th, 2009 03:50:05 PM
They're present- in the form of flying saucers and Daniken's theory that the Ark was of extraterrestrial origin. In fact, you can already see the genesis of all four Indy films in the transcript. Lucas clearly envisioned the character as someone who could cross over into other genres. He spends a great deal of time discussing Indy's potential for dealing with the supernatural and occult.
"Too bad the Hovitos don't know you the way I do, Belloq." by Finding Forrestal	Mar 9th, 2009 03:50:20 PM
"Yes, too bad. You could warn them... if only you spoke Hovitos!"
I only call people 'fool'... by LordPorkington	Mar 9th, 2009 03:50:33 PM
To trick them into changing my name into a witty slur. Well done sir. And now that I've been cheered up, and therefore feeling grumpy, this story seems a little cooler now. Thanks Klytus_You_Cunt!
I'd be MORE interested in... by cowtrout	Mar 9th, 2009 03:51:57 PM
The story behind Temple of Doom and the darker angle added.
Two Transcripts! by mrbeaks	Mar 9th, 2009 03:52:50 PM
There's a Kasdan/Philip Kaufman/Debbie Fine conference tacked on at the bottom!
This is TERRIFIC by mefrog	Mar 9th, 2009 03:53:29 PM
I'm reading this right now. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS BEAKS.
Any chance we'll see the INDY 4 Story Conference Transcript? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 9th, 2009 03:55:42 PM
You know, the one where George is high and Spielberg is asleep?
The IS cool news! by slone13	Mar 9th, 2009 03:55:56 PM
Raiders really is the best move ever made. No room for discussion.
"Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. " by Evil75	Mar 9th, 2009 03:57:31 PM
Anyone else getting this?
Thanks so much for this, Beaks... by JackLucas	Mar 9th, 2009 03:58:05 PM
I, too was pouring away at some writing and came out of the room to grab a drink and see if there was anything new. This is definitely very cool. Thanks so much!
"This is where Forrestal cashed in." by Finding Forrestal	Mar 9th, 2009 03:58:26 PM
"A friend of yours?" "Competitor. He was good, he was very, very good."
Cool news, indeed. by Finding Forrestal	Mar 9th, 2009 03:59:29 PM
Fuck it, I'm watching "Raiders."
"Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. " by em_tee_em	Mar 9th, 2009 04:00:21 PM
I got it once Evil75, but then after the countdown I was able to download it my second try.
INDIANA SMITH starring Tom Selleck by Monkey_King	Mar 9th, 2009 04:00:42 PM
it coulda happened.
Man, remember the 70s... by Klytus_I.m_Bored	Mar 9th, 2009 04:02:21 PM
Where Battlestar Galactica sucked but Lucas could do no wrong? Who'da thought we'd live in a world where Lucas can't stop sucking and Battlestar Galactica is one of the best things on TV?
"Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. " by Evil Hobbit	Mar 9th, 2009 04:03:42 PM
Got it to, mirror time boys!
em_tee_em by Evil75	Mar 9th, 2009 04:04:37 PM
Got it on my tenth try, give or take. Funnily enough it started working right after I read your post. The Force is strong with this one... :)
Or pay six bucks for a week Sendspace Max by Tacom	Mar 9th, 2009 04:04:40 PM

Nothing about a fridge in there??? by phaedrus007	Mar 9th, 2009 04:05:09 PM
Right up at the top Lucas talks about how it has to be serious... like the Man with No Name movies... he even thinks James Bond is maybe too goofy for tone. That's one of the biggest flaws in Crystal Skull... they completely neglected this part of the formula.
In before by Arteska	Mar 9th, 2009 04:07:28 PM
revisionist internet-fueled Lucashate. Thanks for the link Beaks.
Lucas should take some advice from Rorschach... by Finding Forrestal	Mar 9th, 2009 04:11:58 PM
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of diminishing returns."
Lucas was clearly the brains behind the operation... by fassbinder79	Mar 9th, 2009 04:14:54 PM
Give credit where credit is due people. I'm a HUGE fan of the Republic serials too. Amazing stuff!
Acquanetta... by Finding Forrestal	Mar 9th, 2009 04:16:05 PM
You're right about how well Lucas comes off in this transcript. Spielberg could hardly get a word in edgewise!
I think actually George Luca$ is the blogger by theplant	Mar 9th, 2009 04:22:36 PM
the one linked here... it's George Luca$ blog.
ok here's the pitch by son_of_ebert	Mar 9th, 2009 04:24:08 PM
Jar Jar Binks ends up back on Naboo after the clone wars.. and goes underground (underwater?) as an archaeologist seeking ancient jedi artifacts to sell to the empire..
Scriptgirl just announced Ford to star in Apocalypse Now. by brock landers baby	Mar 9th, 2009 04:24:46 PM
She said it'll be some Vietnam film or something.
KUDOS to Beaks ! by MattHooper	Mar 9th, 2009 04:27:33 PM
For on this day in history, being the golden god of screenwriters everywhere ! Nuthin but Luv for YA !
OKkkayyyy..... by Gabba-UK	Mar 9th, 2009 04:27:36 PM
that's going to put the cat among the pigeons...
"This IS history." by IndyCollector	Mar 9th, 2009 04:43:50 PM

Indy4 ripped of Dark Crystal! by catlettuce4	Mar 9th, 2009 04:51:01 PM
I just watched The Dark Crystal for the first time since I was a kid & (apart from it being a lot more shithouse than I remember)the ending with the aliens & the crystal gathered round in a circle was spookily similar to the ending of Indy4. Apart from the FX, they were better in DC.
try 'off' catlettuce4 you dickhead... by catlettuce4	Mar 9th, 2009 04:52:51 PM

WOW! by Fawst	Mar 9th, 2009 04:54:34 PM
I haven't even read the transcript yet. I just got through reading the 10 points that MM came up with. That was pretty brilliant on its own! I think if anything will help an aspiring writer, reading this transcript and truly digesting it is going to help a lot.
Lol, Lucas pwnd the Beard. by FilmZ0mbie	Mar 9th, 2009 04:55:16 PM
The second page: G- First of all, who gives a fuck about the Grand Canyon? and second, either say something constructive or shut the fuck up Steve.
Spielberg sounds like child. by cossack_says_die	Mar 9th, 2009 04:55:28 PM
That man wanted the movie to be all camp. I can't believe how rational Lucas sounds in this. It really makes me wander as to what the fuck happened with Indy 4.
Indy 4 was just lazy by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 04:57:00 PM
19 years is too long to come up with a decent story.
If this is not a hoax by Nizzuts	Mar 9th, 2009 04:57:34 PM
then this is a cool piece of movie history...if it is some kind of hoax, then I'm an idiot for reading for the last hour. Raiders of the Lost Ark is still, in my opinion, Lucas' best idea.
Pretty Tight by Autodidact	Mar 9th, 2009 04:58:04 PM
Now that is some print-worthy content!
Jesus. Lucas is clearly a case of... by Davidia	Mar 9th, 2009 05:05:58 PM
creativity and angst being lost and replaced with the fluff of old age. Just read his words in this and you can clearly see he was a storytelling genius. Years later, he has conferences of Episode 1, now I'd like to read THOSE transcripts, and see how much of his bravado he lost in those 20 something years. What a waste.
catlettuce4 - Dont forget Mission to Mars by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 05:06:31 PM
the end to that was a bit similar to KOTCS btw i havent seen Dark Crystal since 1982 and cant remember too much about it but dont recall any aliens at the end?...then again i was probably sat there watching it in the cinema not giving it my full attention as id have been still in awe or in anticipation of seeing WRATH OF KHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAN!! FUCK YEAH!!...sittin there..thinkin bout 'Admiral' Kirk kicking KHHHHHHAAAANs BOO-TAY all over the cosmos!...Wondering if Spock was gonna make it or still in shock at his death.... i know there was stuff like Blade Runner, Thing out that year but who knew theyd be classics in yeras to come - besides i was too young to see them...82 was all bout KHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAN and fuckin E fuckin T...fuck dat shit! E fuckin' T!! PAH LOL...KHHHHHHHHAAAAN shat all over that walking turd man all mighty the new Treks got some way to go to beat KHHHHHHHAN...but that trailer looked F U C K I N G awesome and whats more, everyone fuckin knows it!
Has anyone... by Harold-Sherbort	Mar 9th, 2009 05:08:34 PM
..had any problems with their computer after they click the link on the website? I want to read it, but I don't want to risk getting a virus!!
this is brilliant! a real insight into the creative process by zapano	Mar 9th, 2009 05:15:00 PM
it would be pretty interesting to read a indy 4 comparison
Now THIS... by Rando Calrisian	Mar 9th, 2009 05:16:43 PM
Is some cool shit. I'm going to read this right now. Awesome, Beaks - thanks.
oh yeah there was Mad Max 2 also out in 82 by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 05:16:43 PM
but again...i was too fuckin young to see dat... anyway regarding this Raiders thing...it shows taht Indy was really Lucas' creation...
Too bad the Indy legacy was fucked last year. by disfigurehead	Mar 9th, 2009 05:17:05 PM

was this leaked to restore Lucas' reputation? of course not by zapano	Mar 9th, 2009 05:17:34 PM
but still stranger things have happened
mr sulu by catlettuce4	Mar 9th, 2009 05:22:42 PM
They weren't actual aliens just an amalgam of the scary vulture dudes & the stoned sloth dudes once the androgynous fairy dudes shined them with a crystal... (or something like that after 2 beers, a glass of red wine & about 3 joints).
Does Anybody know about the Urban Legend... by zinc_chameleon	Mar 9th, 2009 05:23:42 PM
That 'Raiders' was intended to be a comeback vehicle for Elvis, and that it was discussed by Speilberg and Lucas before Elvis' death? I dimly remember something about an Elvis comeback that Speilberg had in mind, but I lost track of that in the late 80s.
PEOPLE.....SPARE A THOUGHT FOR SELLECK! by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 05:29:36 PM
The dude GOT THE ROLE!...he was Spielberg and Lucas' choice for Indy!...they CAST him as Indy!!....Ford was SECOND choice when Selleck wasnt allowed to film Raiders as Magnum had been picked up and he decided it was best to honour his contract!! (It turned out that the shooting of the pilot for Magnum, P.I was delayed for over 6 months, which would have enabled Selleck to complete the role of Indiana Jones. Ironically, while waiting in Hawaii for Magnum to commence filming, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas were also in Hawaii to shoot scenes for Raiders).... i do think SELLECK would have been just as good as Ford though...its possible that if Selleck had been Indy then hed have had Fords career and been in Blade Runner and Fugitive and stuff like that and maybe Ford would be like Mark Hammil.. Selleck ended up doing Indy knock off High Road to China and Blade Runner wannabe Runaway... would be funny if it was revealed ford had grown that tashe he had a few months ago for a big budget Magnum movie...i guess thatd be the final straw and Selleck would probably call round Fords house WITH a magnum if that happened...'"YO FORD..YOU AT HOME?! I GOT SOMETHIN FOR YA MOTHERFUCKER!!" BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!! BLAM!! click click click....reloads..."MOTHER FUCCCCCCCCCCCKERRRR!! BLAM! BLAM! etcetc"
Fascinating Stuff by Kief_Ledger	Mar 9th, 2009 05:30:27 PM
If this is a hoax I'll be very upset
zinc_chameleon...Dats the craziest shit ive ever heard!! by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 05:31:43 PM
but maybe its true~?? They opened Crystal Skull with a nice Elvis number right
Fine work, all concerned. by palimpsest	Mar 9th, 2009 05:33:09 PM
That is all.
"What we're just doing here, really, is designing a ride at Disn by zacdilone	Mar 9th, 2009 05:34:00 PM
And so they did. Best ride at Disneyland, in fact.
Ah, but Selleck gave us HIGH ROAD TO CHINA. by palimpsest	Mar 9th, 2009 05:34:34 PM
Ah. I see your point...
very very cool by T 1000 xp professional	Mar 9th, 2009 05:35:24 PM
nice beaks... nice.
INDIANA JONES AND THE RAPING OF 11 YR OLD ASS by AzulTool	Mar 9th, 2009 05:43:00 PM
Jeez, I didn't know she was literally a child in love!
ACTUALLY SELLECK GAVE US 'THREE MEN AND A.... by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 05:44:37 PM

Pg. 9 "..a very modest scale" by JoeSixPack	Mar 9th, 2009 05:46:10 PM
Lmao, I got to page 9 and came across Lucas saying he tried to keep the movie on "a very modest scale". I wish they would have gone back to this transcript when they were coming up with ideas for Indy IV.
Downloaded by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Mar 9th, 2009 05:48:12 PM
Can't wait to read this.
Thank you AICN for this.. by Alfred_Packer	Mar 9th, 2009 05:50:58 PM
Downloaded and will print it out at work tomorrow.
Oh and I love Crystal Skull... by Alfred_Packer	Mar 9th, 2009 05:55:07 PM
...most watched Blu-Ray in the house....and the other 3 are coming out on BR by Christmas!
Alfred - i gonna tell your boss by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 05:56:19 PM
you are priniting out a 126 page document on Raiders of the Lost Ark..im sure hell understand...: 'hey alfred...hows it going...listen..ahh ive just been ahh notified you printed out a 126 page doc on Indiana Jones....yeeeah ah I'm gonna have to go ahead and give you a warning for that...yeeeeeah...ok buddy oh and i almost forgot...ah..im gonna have to ask you to come in on sunday too...yeeeeah'
The boss will want a copy too... by Alfred_Packer	Mar 9th, 2009 06:01:41 PM
But he'll probably kindle it or something...
Snakes aren't slimy.. by Alfred_Packer	Mar 9th, 2009 06:09:14 PM
You know I'm an Indy 4 apologist when I think the worst thing in the movie is Mutt saying the snake is slimy. Screw the snake...Ox, take that serape off and throw me one end of it before I go all Bert Lahr again..."Maybe I can touch the bootttomm"
Indy 4 sucked because of Shia by Kief_Ledger	Mar 9th, 2009 06:12:26 PM
Holy Jesus Christ do I hate that kid. I watched Eagle Eye last weekend and not only does that little shit do nothing but bitch the whole time, but he's got a very punchable face and an annoying voice. And the movie sucked too. The only good parts were Rosario Dawson and Michelle Monaghan
Are we still hating on Shia? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 06:15:17 PM
He's a decent actor.
What part did they mention Tarzan Shia? by Sal_Bando	Mar 9th, 2009 06:23:18 PM
And the Fonzie chimps? Gotta have them there Fonzie chimps-
Episode 1 transcripts released! by Davidia	Mar 9th, 2009 06:26:36 PM
G- Alright, so I tend to take a very mathmatical and precise approach to setting up my narratives. So I think first and foremost for these prequels to be relevant we need a plunky Jamaican side-kick with a reptilian complexion and floppy ears.
More excerpts... by AzulTool	Mar 9th, 2009 06:30:21 PM
S - "...But the Ark has to be an all-powerful connection to the lord. Like...uh..." G - "...Like a radio for talking to god?" S - "Yes, George! That's it! You're a genius." L - "Uh, guys. Maybe we should make that a telephone, considering that a radio can only communicate one way." G - "Uh, yeah Larry. That's great. Look, can you go get us some coffee?"
Fascinating by Pistachio_Wildebeest	Mar 9th, 2009 06:31:39 PM
Truly fascinating. Concept explosion. Interesting how many of the more wacky ideas are Spielbergs and Lucas grounds it in reality. Also interesting, how many ideas crop up in Temple and Crusade. If only the same Lucas who was in this meeting showed up for the sequels.
WHAT??! by Rufferto	Mar 9th, 2009 06:35:22 PM
No mention of CGI gophers?I Am greatly disappointed.This movie needs to be remastered with Ewoks.
Who transcribed this? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 06:45:54 PM
Can we get the VHS tape?
is this kind of conference always transcribed? by illegaltouching	Mar 9th, 2009 06:52:41 PM
it's almost like a lucas propaganda piece. why was he so eager to collaborate when he had so many ideas, yet so closed off when he was creatively bankrupt?
Temple of Doom was a racist by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 06:53:58 PM
movie.Spielberg and Lucas should be ashamed of it.that is,if they had a heart,instead of a wallet in its place..
Must-Read of the Day? by User EGO	Mar 9th, 2009 06:55:12 PM
More like Must-Read of the year!!
Ahhh...Indy rides the U-Boat's periscope... by CENOBITE	Mar 9th, 2009 07:01:18 PM
that part of Raiders always bugged me as a kid. They never explained how Indy was able to survive on the Nazi U-boat to the Greek Isle. Apparently, he hangs on to the periscope and the sub never fully submerges.
cenobite the same thing bugs me by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 07:05:04 PM
ok the submarine,never goes deep into the see,but it doesnt do this. at that time,the mediteranean sea wasnt a very safe place,to just travel in the open see like that.
"He was 25 and she was only 12. It would be amusing..." by Riley Martin	Mar 9th, 2009 07:05:06 PM
Holy shit, George. I know it was the '70's, but sheesh. Now I kinda understand the Amidala / Annikin thing. Lucas has a thing for cradle-snatching. Kinky Jabba-the-hutt-necked freak :D
erm mistype by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 07:06:52 PM
but it doesnt do this.= why does it do this?
Indy 4 Was Great by genrefanboy	Mar 9th, 2009 07:09:35 PM
Whats wrong with you guys. It was a great movie captured the period very well and did everything that could be expected of it. Ford showed he will always be Indy. Some of Ford's acting could have been filmed with Indy3 if he had dyed his hair (Spielberg asked Ford to dye his hair but he refused!). Most of the things people bitch about in Indy4 were Spielberg's ideas not Lucas's!! The monkeys, shia & the fridge were all pure Spielberg not Lucas at all. Indy4 was also the biggest worldwide movie last year outside the US it was no1 and bigger than TDK as international audiences are less critical.
Let's have them eat lots of bugs! by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 07:09:48 PM
BUGS!
Flying saucers in Raiders...? by CENOBITE	Mar 9th, 2009 07:11:34 PM
So the original idea for the Arc was that it's power came from or was a 'radio antenna' to one of "Eric Von Danken's Flying Saucers". Heh... heh... heh...
the problem with indy 4 by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 07:17:29 PM
was that the story wasnt told right.personally i didnt have problem with the aliens,the ants,even shia.after all indy is a pulp fiction hero. the problem with the movie,was that it didnt tell the story well.it had good ideas but they werent incorporated very well into the story.too many characters,too many unnessecary scenes,the plot was nonexistent,etc etc i wish lucas had chosen daramonts script,instead of his own.it was way better.
George Lucas: Needs more aliens.... by TheWaqman	Mar 9th, 2009 07:21:10 PM

George Lucas: Lets call him Zeeplex Kajagoo by TheWaqman	Mar 9th, 2009 07:21:33 PM

The further you get from Indy IV's release hype by Liberty Valance	Mar 9th, 2009 07:28:57 PM
The better it gets. Seen it 3 times now and each time I've enjoyed it a little more. I'll concede the fridge and monkey swing orgy were lame and Mac's character sould have been fleshed out more, but the rest is pure Indy. And by "pure Indy," I mean a giant fuckload of adventurous fun.
how old is indy in the film? by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 07:30:42 PM
50?
Lucas= Great Set Pieces, Spielberg=Comic relief, Kasdan=Characte by CENOBITE	Mar 9th, 2009 07:32:51 PM
That's what I'm getting out of this. These 3 guys help balance out each other perfectly. Lucas has some of the amazing set pieces and ideas, however he isn't always on the money with character development. Kasdan always pulls out some great character ideas. And Spielberg? Wow, he's just "out there" with some goofy ideas. Now I can see why SW:EP 1-3 were just a series of brilliant set pieces w/o any good character development, or how Indy 4 had so many goofy elements.
There isn't a problem with any Indy film by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 07:42:55 PM
The problem is the purists and fanboys who pull a story out of their ass.
So jar-jar binks was spielbergs idea? by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 07:45:39 PM
i dont think so...
So Marion was 15 and Indy was 25? by Barrymore Yorke	Mar 9th, 2009 07:52:09 PM
Things were different back last century!
Lucas propaganda piece.... by TheWaqman	Mar 9th, 2009 07:52:19 PM
"See guys! I had ideas! It wasn't always about Jar Jar Binks and Little Annie!"
Lucas propaganda piece.... by TheWaqman	Mar 9th, 2009 08:03:39 PM
"Look guys! It wasn't always about Jar Jar Binks and Little Annie! You see!"
Double post! Fuck! My bad guys. by TheWaqman	Mar 9th, 2009 08:03:57 PM

Aw, damn. Link to the pdf doesn't work. by Orbots Commander	Mar 9th, 2009 08:09:52 PM
I think they must have received a 'seize and desist' from Lucasfilm.
I never understood the Indy 4 hate... by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 08:13:59 PM
I dont understand the hate for whats easily the best of the indy sequels (imo)...so much so it gets ignored by the oscars (shouldnt it have been been at least nomiated for FX? - the saucer coming out the ground looked amazing) and gets a razzie for worst sequel! As a total SF/indy/50s/movie geek i consider it the 2nd best indy film after Raiders (nothing can top Raiders as its a classic..but id put Skull before Crusade then Doom) loved that it was sci fi and set in the 50s as a throw back to all those great alien 'b' movies of the time...plus all the 50s stuff as i love that era - Elvis opening, Brando Wild One homage, the diner, red/commie paranoia, the bomb, Soviet villians etc etc....plus all the homages to the previous Indys - The Ark, Michaelson, Connery pic, etc...as well as homages to previous movies in the cast/crew resume - Fords white T shirt interrogation, 'knife to a gunfight' (ok thats connery but he was sorta in this spiritually), the diner fight and chase in the streets (maybe the fridge escape was another BTTF 'homage' for the ubergeeks), aliens with elongated heads messing up John Hurt again... The Area 51/Doom Town opening was great (the way indy and the Pat Roach replacement crash onto that jet engine and the red digital countdown starts before blasting out really brought home that Indy was being blasted into the 'modern' age - this is not the 30s anymore....plus in the house with all the mannaquins was really eerie - like something out of Twilight Zone) and the last 20 minutes or so from the nicely gruesome ant attack when they get into the caves was classic Indy and had me on the edge of my seat - it was totally mysterious and near Twilight Zonesque (on a massive epic scale)..i know other films have done the whole chariot of the gods stuff (AvP for one) but the way they did it with this was just flawless - the paintings on the walls 'someone came...', the massive hidden 'landing site' with the strange looking obelisk (revealed at the end to be the center of the saucer), the weird otherworldly way the doors to 'the room' opened, the williams music in those scenes (was that the WOTW tripod music when they are figuring out the obelisk?), the sinister look and feel of the skeletons, indys fear (nice star wars line), the way the room broke away to reveal the metallic underneath, the soviets being sucked into the other dimention along with Blancetts disintergration (they may have helped the mayans with knowledge but they were not ET/CE3K friendly!!) .....and then the final reveal of the 1950s style Flying Saucer thats been buried underground for THOUSANDS of years ('Thing From Another World' homage?)...coming up from under all that luscious green in the middle of the uncharted jungle (another iconic Indy image along with the mushroom cloud at the start)...then the boulders crashing down with bombastic Williams score 'like a broom to their footsteps' (the score when it starts to break out was like something out of 2001).... it was all pretty unnerving and tapped into the imagination like the last 20 mins or so of Raiders. If i have any criticisms of it its only this - maybe the fact it was aliens (yeah yeah I know 'inter dimensional beings'…theyre still aliens) should have remained a little more ambiguous until the last scenes in 'the room' (like they did with the ark in Raiders - we werent sure it was totally genuine until the end lid lift)…what with the Roswell charred remains revealed in the campsite....but then again it could be argued that Indys scepticism of it being aliens remained until right at the end and that rubbed off on the audience…and it wasn't exactly 100% clear that it was aliens until the end. IMO people that hate on indy 4 due to the CG gophers/monkeys, nuked fridge etc are sort of missing the bigger picture - it managed to tap into the imagination, building up to an awesome exposition filled finale in a similar way to Raiders and Crusade (Doom with its fairly uninteresting Shankara Stones was always abit more of an action movie finale)......and in a way i kinda like that the majority consider it a major disappointment and worship TDK instead...it makes Skull feel abit more special for those who really liked it... ok coherent rant over...back to the mothfocking good times
Fate of Atlantis the adventure game by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 08:16:37 PM
they should have made that into a movie.great story,and surely it has influenced some story elements like the aliens in the indy 4 movie.
Fate of Atlantis by Charlie_Allnut	Mar 9th, 2009 08:24:26 PM
Yeah that was a frickin great game! It really captured everything about the Indy movies...if they do make another movie I'd like to see them adapt Fate of Atlantis...
Erich von Däniken by sanzaru	Mar 9th, 2009 08:36:42 PM
The History Channel had another fun documentary riffing on Chariots of the Gods over the weekend. Däniken's crazy-eyed enthusiasm paired with the subject matter seems readymade for biopic territory, maybe with a plumped-up Tarantino or Randy Quaid/Cousin Eddie doing the Swiss accent bit...uh, anyway- thanks for the transcript!!!
There should be TWO Indy trilogies by now.... by mr sulu	Mar 9th, 2009 08:39:35 PM
its a shame Indy 4 wasnt made 10 years ago in 1997/98 (Lucas couldve still worked on it as well as his SW prequels like he did with Indy and SW in the early 80s)...as although he both pulled it off no problem, if it had been around then Ford wouldve looked good in his mid 50s with the brown hair (Air Force One, Devils Own) plus if it had come out then, maybe it would set them off on making more (like there is talk of Indy 5 now...but imo its very unlikly due to Fords age) and wed all have the 2 Indy trilogies on our dvd shelves by now.....e.g. Indy 4 in 98...Indy 5 in 2003 (Atlantis?)...Indy 6 = 2008 (hell hole of siberia? spear of destiny?)...in fact maybe they wouldnt have had to do 'Skull' in 98 as there was alot of alien films out around then - ID4, X Files, Mars Attacks, MiB etc...but then again maybe that wouldve been an ideal time to release it... im sure Ford wouldve much prefered to do some Indys over duds like Devils Own in 97 (an IRA thriller..yeeeeah always a sure fire thing) ...and K19/Hollywood Homicide in 2002/03....plus i bet Spielberg wouldve prefered doing some extra Indy instead of misfires like Lost World/Amistad (1997/98)...and AI (2001) also Perhaps doing Indys throughout the late 90s/early 00s wouldve prevented Lucas from being too hands on/having too much control on the SW prequels as well...so maybe he wouldnt have directed Episodes 2 and 3 (or even Ep 1) like what happened with the original trilogy..and as a result maybe the likes of Fincher or Scott or Cameron or Jackson could have directed...even Spielberg if he could have managed doing SW and Indys back to back (hes done the one/two punch a few times - JP/Schindlers..Lost World/Amistad...WOTW/Munich).. .im fairly certain any big name director would jumped at the chance to direct one of the films thats a prequel to the film that they pretty much owe their careers too (just watch the doc on the SW boxset where the likes of Cameron and Jackson state that it was watching the 1977 SW that made them want to get into film making)
Best part about the transcript by daggor	Mar 9th, 2009 08:56:07 PM
a young Michael Bay pops in every 5-6 pages to say: 'Booooring!"
The 'sixty' 20 minute scenes thing... by raw_bean	Mar 9th, 2009 08:59:52 PM
...making a 120 minute script is obviously whoever transcribed it miss-hearing 'six' scenes.
Indy 4 Sucked because of 3 little words... by Wrecks	Mar 9th, 2009 09:14:39 PM
...Snake As Rope. But this transcript is solid gold!
daggor in fact by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 09:16:18 PM
A young Michael Bay was workin on the first indiana movie,dont remember what exactly,but in an interview Bay said that when he read the story for the first time,he thought that it was boring and the movie woulbe be a failure. !!
Link to download messed up my computer by vladvampire	Mar 9th, 2009 09:17:08 PM
When I tried to download PDF it deployed malware on my computer and now I have to take the time to wipe all the crap out. Thanks AICN!!!!
dont remember what exactly by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 09:17:42 PM
=dont remember what exactly he was doing,maybe making storyboards or something..
Needs more ripping out hearts. by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 09:25:47 PM
Who the hell thought that was a good idea?
dioxholster by vladvampire	Mar 9th, 2009 09:30:05 PM
um, I don't think so, diox. I followed the link in the article above, went to download the pdf, and whaddayaknow, SpywareProtect 2009 deployed on my computer, and shut down my firewall. stupid, no, pissed, yes.
Submarine by Thunderbolt Ross	Mar 9th, 2009 09:35:11 PM
Submarines in that era didn't just travel around under water. I couldn't say exactly what the ratio was, but they spent most of the time on the surface.
dioxholster - your head needs to be removed from your .... by vladvampire	Mar 9th, 2009 09:40:53 PM
go to the garage, find a powersaw and apply it to 1) your computer and then 2) to your head...it shall expel the demons...unless you are using the computers at the public library to access this site.
Spielberg and Lucas by Thunderbolt Ross	Mar 9th, 2009 09:41:39 PM
This transcript confirms that they work well together because Lucas is a strategist, Spielberg the tactician. Lucas is more of an ideas man, Spielberg more of an execution man. For instance, Spielberg chiming in about more tarantulas appearing after the guy walks through another set of shadows - he's visualizing very specifically, whereas Lucas is almost theoretical in his conceptualizing. It's interesting stuff. It seems like Lucas was a real visionary, an imaginative genius of sorts. He's so FOCUSED here. Spielberg on the other hand doesn't show his genius till he's actually behind the camera or storyboarding, engaged in the actual act of telling the story to the audience.
lockesbrokenleg by Nirgaul	Mar 9th, 2009 09:47:42 PM
Probably the ripping out of hearts was inspired by Marcia Lucas.
dioxholster lol by vladvampire	Mar 9th, 2009 09:47:47 PM
dang, you necrophiliac! I wondered who dug up her grave!
love this... it's easy to see how Temple of doom got made too by MurderMostFowl	Mar 9th, 2009 10:03:21 PM
there are so many parts of temple of doom in here too that they cut out for obvious reasons but still wanted them in there somewhere. Weird that growing up I always thought Spielberg was the one with the cinematic genius here, and reading these notes it's clearly Lucas and Kasdan
Can we settle one thing about Lucas, once and for all... by makeitbig	Mar 9th, 2009 10:03:37 PM
Whatever you might think about George Lucas nowdays, he was a genius in that transcript. Some people think he was always a hack, only good at one thing: surrounding himself with talented people. I always thought it was stupid to say that...
If GL likes sarcasm, he'd loved some of his recent press ... by Chris Wood	Mar 9th, 2009 10:30:07 PM
... but it's great to see the thinking (some of it) behind such a great film. I'd give him a Nobel Prize for Awesomeness if I could. Chris Wood Author, "Sherlock Holmes and the Underpants of Death"
GL was once, truly a visionary artist by ominus	Mar 9th, 2009 10:36:17 PM
but then he became a businessman to sell technology and toys.damn. remember lucasarts? monkey island? full throttle? now we only get star wars games and nothing else.thats what changed.
Who cares if he became a businessman? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 10:45:28 PM
He created ILM, Skywalker Sound, etc. Other people use his shit. Why don't they do their own shit?
Indy by elkylos	Mar 9th, 2009 10:53:46 PM
We're still talking about Raiders of the Lost Ark?
What's horribly sad... by CatVutt	Mar 9th, 2009 11:13:58 PM
Is how all of the 'screenwriting lessons' would be completely IGNORED by Lucas in fashioning EP1, particularly that bit about the 'approach to exposition'. Seriously, point-by-point, you can see everything Lucas DIDN'T do on the prequel trilogy.
What a great archeological find you dug up by Chuck_Chuckwalla	Mar 9th, 2009 11:18:18 PM
Yeah, I'll definitely be studying this as Raiders is my number one. Ah, the good old days when GL and SS were still hungry and at the top of their game.
Bitch about the prequels by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 11:19:06 PM
Yet, you all saw each one of them and probably own all of the DVDs, so who cares?
No, a lot of us DON'T own the damned things. by CatVutt	Mar 9th, 2009 11:20:34 PM
And didn't see the last two via torrents. So STFU.
I meant 'except via torrents'. by CatVutt	Mar 9th, 2009 11:21:08 PM
Fuck it, I'm drunk.
too cool by finky089	Mar 9th, 2009 11:45:56 PM

Lawrence Kasdan is the true genius behind the Indiana Jones char by The Ghost of Marcus Brody	Mar 10th, 2009 12:24:06 AM
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..acter. character that is. by The Ghost of Marcus Brody	Mar 10th, 2009 12:24:57 AM

READ THIS IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE FULL STORY by Proman1984	Mar 10th, 2009 12:46:23 AM
Beaks your level of awareness and the resulting hype is pretty bad. This is nothing new. I was aware of the existence of this transcrpt for a few years now, from when it was first mentioned on the SpielbergFilms messageboard (which is now, sadly gone). From what I recall, the site's moderator Steven Avalt was contacted by a very knowledgeble and connected insider who had a wealth of material some of which he shared with Steven and us. This was one of the things that were mentioned at least 4 years ago and I got to read a few pages. Yes, it is unnoficial and, too be honest no one, not even that person was really sure if it was 100% legit and untempered with (in fact it is mainly for those doubts that he was unwilling to share the whole thing - as I recall this was not something he gotten through his usual channels but in fact bought, which also implies that other people had it). Still, if in fact, real, what you see is a VERY, very, very early conversation as lots of ideas where bounced around and evaluated it the open. Keep that in mind before you get too judmental. The actual film wouldn't happen for many years and so there was plenty of time before them to compromise and decide what worked and what didn't. The result, of course was perfect.
This is fucking awesome! Lucas was a genious! by bullet3	Mar 10th, 2009 01:07:45 AM
Man, I had written the guy off, but reading this, he is so damn dead on with everything. In fact, Spielberg is the one who keeps throwing stupid goofy ideas into the thing. You could almost swear the transcriber got the two names mixed up or something. Whatever you think of the guy now, this document is a revelation.
This is history right here: by Dreamwriter	Mar 10th, 2009 01:10:57 AM
S: "You know what it could be, I have a great idea. He hears the sand...when he goes into the cave, it's not straight. The whole thing is on an incline on the way in. He hears this, grabs the thing, comes to a corridor. There is a sixty-five foot boulder that's form-fitted to only roll down the corridor coming right at him. And it's a race. He gets to outrun the boulder. It then comes to rest and blocks the entrance to the cave. Nobody will ever come in again. This boulder is the size of a house.
Is the Marion stuff a joke? by Bass Ackwards	Mar 10th, 2009 01:13:55 AM
That's just...weird, Speilberg actually had to talk UP the age to 15, the initial idea was for the affair to be when she was 11? That's just a big...huh?
Says Walter Sobchak: by Sgt.Steiner	Mar 10th, 2009 02:01:16 AM
"11 year olds, Dude." Dreamwriter has it right, though. There are comments above about bad Spielberg ideas, but he came up with the fuckin' boulder, so suck it! And the problem with Indy IV? They didn't have a session like this! No bullshit detectors on full blast.
Wrong, episode 3 sucks hard, 2 is the only decent one by bullet3	Mar 10th, 2009 02:01:40 AM
Episode 3 has some great action, but its ruined by constantly cutting away (mid action-scene, so you can't build any fucking momentum) to horrible dialog scenes. It also completley botches vader's origin story, making him out to be a total pussy. 2 is actually a pretty damn solid movie, if you cut out the 20 minute bullshit romance. The plot is pretty focused, a good mystery storyline, and the last hour is non-stop battle.
WHAT the fuck happened to Lucas? by southafricanguy	Mar 10th, 2009 02:04:59 AM
Seriously, how did this truly creative and talented director who made thx1138, American Graffiti, Star wars all back to back. And was hugely responsible for esb. How could this guy become such a misguided director, with no sense of passion or artistry anymore. The lucas that existed is really no more, and I for one think its damn sad :( OR at least it might be if Lucas had any real idea of just how far he has fallen. Even damaging his own legacy. But as everyone says, this proves just how great the man used to be....He may as well have died, becos that dude you see on the prequal triliogy dvd extra features aint him..
Epsiode 3 doesn't build up to any momentum? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 02:20:34 AM
Uh, the last scene in the movie would disagree with you.
And then...Marcia left him.... by conspiracy	Mar 10th, 2009 02:20:59 AM
When she hit the bricks..everything Lucas was was destroyed. She killed his creativity, his sensibility, and in fact killed his passion for life. He crawled into a fetal position, locked himself away up in Marin with his kids, and just stopped giving a fuck about anything. THAT'S what happened..when the ex went she took his fucking soul...now he is a bitter, spiteful, half a man...who blames the success, the movies and the fans for driving her away. I truly believe he now intentionally makes bad movies as a way to hurt the very people, namely us, he ultimately blames for his failed marriage.
Not the transcript we need... by JuntMonkey	Mar 10th, 2009 02:25:40 AM
but the one we deserve.
Bass Ackwards...about Marions age.. by conspiracy	Mar 10th, 2009 02:26:12 AM
might be a "Joke" at 11, but you have to remember...in the 1930s MANY women were married by 16. Indy being a young professor and having an affair with a young woman of 16 wouldn't raise many eyebrows, nor should it. Today Chris Hansen would make sure Indy would be doing 5-10...savior of the world or not.
Yuck? Attack of the Clones by Davidia	Mar 10th, 2009 02:29:06 AM
Ew on that, Attack of the Clones in my opinion is far and wide the WORST Star Wars film. Even beating out The Clone Wars. Nothing happned in that movie worth mentioning, the plot was muddled and boring, anakin was terribly annoying, and the whole thing was just a massive snoozefest. The only good segment was Obi-Wan vs Jango, in fact Obi-wan is really the only character I cared about during the prequels. If ya ask me Episode 1 was the best of them, at least that movie had an identity and cohesive narrative. Attack of the Clones and RotS was just Lucas TRYING to do fanservice.
But that's impoossibbleee! by andrewsubtitle	Mar 10th, 2009 03:00:46 AM
Now we'll get into their minds once and for all!
Someone needs to add by ominus	Mar 10th, 2009 03:13:20 AM
Bale in this transcript
Man fuckin George Lucas is my kinda guy by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers	Mar 10th, 2009 03:35:18 AM
"G — They're the third world local sleazos. Whether, they're Mexicans or Arabs or whatever. " Too fuckin right, George.
conspiracy dude by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers	Mar 10th, 2009 03:36:34 AM
you are a fucking pedophile, this ain't the goddamn 30s, we got iPhones and they're selling sandwiches at Dominos now.
WOW this sounds like it could make a great movie. by alucardvsdracula	Mar 10th, 2009 03:41:38 AM
They could maybe get some crusty old dude for the part, like, say Harrison Ford or Tom Selleck. Sorry what fucking time have I just landed in???????????????????
Kenny Fuckin Powers by kungfuhustler84	Mar 10th, 2009 04:01:53 AM
What the hell man? There's not much tolerance for racism on this talkback. So calm down with that bull shit.
George is still cool by kungfuhustler84	Mar 10th, 2009 04:04:23 AM
Regardless of what some dumbasses think of him being racist. It's obvious he had a real passion for the story here. It's refreshing seeing a director (if only on paper) get so caught up in the whole writing process. I just wish more directors today spent so much effort and time on their movies.
Davidia by kungfuhustler84	Mar 10th, 2009 04:09:57 AM
I almost agree with you on Episode II. But I liked slightly more than one. I like Episode I more as time goes on, but it's still too childish for me. Kid Anakin is dumb and Jar Jar just bothers me. 3 may still have a pretty obnoxious Anakin and some especially shitty dialogue, but Obi Wan is at his best in that chapter. Finally seeing Mustafar and their penulitmate battle was a nuts moment for me. Just an amazing experience. The only part that made it cooler was the Yoda/Palpatine fight was going on at the same time. Also, the opening with the Gunship battle was our chance to see how good Lucas could do a really epic space battle. The opening shot with those two battleships and the war drums booming was just as good as any of the other opening shots. I'm just saying, give it another try. It has its moments.
EP3 by Davidia	Mar 10th, 2009 04:48:17 AM
Did have an awesome space battle. I'll give you that. It still pisses me off at the lack of space battles in the prequels. And Obi-Wan is at his best in EP3, but I preferred the lightsaber fight in EP1, in fact it's what makes me think EP1 has the edge over all the others. It was choreographed to fucking perfection, and its tension rivaled that of the mustafar fight. I know it wasn't the BIG BIG showdown, but building up Darth Maul as such a silent yet deadly assassin, than seeing him appear behind the doors ready to kick some ass. Just a perfect set-up. The lightsaber fight also didn't overstay its welcome, which is something EP2 and ESPECIALLY EP3 are guilty of.
Personally i always thought that by ominus	Mar 10th, 2009 05:14:53 AM
Darth Vader was a pussy.yeah he was as cool as fuck and emitted scariness and evilness,but its the actions that define a person,and in this case the badness of a villain. Lets get the vader of the original trilogy. he didnt kill his former elderly master.instead the old guy let vader kill him. most of the time he was using his powers on normal, defendless people.if i was superman,and kept killing normal people with my fists,would that made me badass? maybe a psychopath,but not badass. he failed to protect the death star. he fought an inexperienced,young boy,but even he managed to escape from vader at the end.. his father emerged,and became good. the second time he fought luke,he got his ass owned by his ownson.ok luke might have been younger and healthier than him,and more experienced since their first encounter,but he still didnt have and then we have the vader of the prequel trilogy.ok he is not yet the vader we know,but he is the person behind the mask who fell into the dark side of the force. anakin killed a pregnat woman. anakin killed kids,yeah kids. anakin chopped the hand of the pimp jedi while the latter was facing the big bad future emperor. he killed some average thugs using his jedi skills. he got owned by an old guy,count dooku he faced his master and his ass got burned for it. if u sum up,u ll see that vader most of the time was killing average people who couldnt withstand in any way his force powers,but when his opponents were at least worthy,most of the time his ass got kicked. yeah vader was veeeery badass....
father=fatherhood by ominus	Mar 10th, 2009 05:15:59 AM

G: Steven, what was the nickname you guys had for me? by JuntMonkey	Mar 10th, 2009 05:16:28 AM
S: Two-Face, Georgie. Two-Face.
he still didnt have by ominus	Mar 10th, 2009 05:17:21 AM
a lifetimes experience and not yet part of the dark force.
I didn't make that shit up! by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers	Mar 10th, 2009 05:27:30 AM
it's right there in the fuckin thing and all!
Ominus makes a good point... by Davidia	Mar 10th, 2009 05:49:50 AM
We really do never see Vader kick the ass of an equal rival, save for a little whipping he gave Luke in ESB, and for the most part it seemed Obi-Wan was in steady control their whole showdown. Maybe that was the problem with Vader in the PT. We heard talk about how great and majestic a warrior he was, yet all we saw was sulking and him getting schooled by Renton.
G -- First, we get our hero into a refridgerator... by Bill Brasky	Mar 10th, 2009 06:18:41 AM
S -- ...there is no way in hell that that would ever fly. I don't care if this thing goes for four or five films, we should never resort to that kind of tom-foolery...
Davidia, I have to totally agree by kungfuhustler84	Mar 10th, 2009 07:09:51 AM
Darth Maul vs. Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the end of Episode I is easily a tie with Empire's Darth. vs. Luke as best lightsaber batle. While Empire's is far more personal and dramatic, the Maul fight really is pretty perfect. It's one of the best examples I have ever seen of characterizations happening as the fight progresses. We learn more about those three in that fight than we do in the whole rest of the movie. All the little touches, like Maul using his force powers to open the doors, and of course the force field part, it's all just really well thought out and executed. And you're right too about 3. Those fights were a bit too numerous and overly long. And Sam ("Get these mothafuckin snakes off this mothafuckin plane") Jackson vs. Sneering Face Emperor was just goofy as all hell.
And the Lucas possible racist stuff is in there by kungfuhustler84	Mar 10th, 2009 07:13:02 AM
I knew that when I posted earlier. I just kinda doubt he meant it in a racist way. It's possible though. There are just a lot of stereotypical characters like that in old serials though. I seriously doubt he was talking about the current contemporary crisis. More like he was trying to consider the type of people that mostly appear in the two primary settings of Raiders. You were the one drawing racist connections. George was talking about the iconic opening scene of the movie and the several scenes that are in Cairo in Raiders.
KOTCS has aged better than the Dark Knight by Samuel Fulmer	Mar 10th, 2009 08:35:42 AM
I'd much rather pop that in the DVD player than the overlong and tedious Dark Knight. Swinging CGI monkeys aren't as cringe worthy as Maggie Gylenhall's face.
Didn't Indy force Marion to get an abortion?? by Samuel Fulmer	Mar 10th, 2009 08:39:54 AM
I swear that was in the original Raiders novelization, the same one that has the scene where the old Egyptian who reads the inscription on the amulet of Ra and then gives Indy a warning that if he looks at the ark when it is open, he will die.
Harry... by Wee Willie	Mar 10th, 2009 09:44:14 AM
I've been coming to AICN for just about ten years now... I've written a movie that was reviewed here, posted a million talkbacks, and I just gotta say, it's little nuggets like this that keep me coming back. Thanks man.
Great work Beaks by Star Hump	Mar 10th, 2009 10:24:39 AM
Appreciate you bringing this to us. This transcript is inspiring stuff.
A long time waiting... by 420 Boylston St	Mar 10th, 2009 11:12:52 AM
I rememebr ebay selling this thing for uber amount of money. After reading this I can see why. These are the greatest minds of filmmakers of out time. To get a glimpse at how they think is a gem. My advice to writers who tackle writing chores for Indiana Jones material should read this. Very, very informative and educational. Thank you AICN and Mystery Man on film for this discovery. Thank you Thank you.
It's not like it's Star Wars.. by Rupee88	Mar 10th, 2009 12:06:58 PM
Raiders was not even that good of a movie...it was like a solid 8 out of 10.
Raiders is 10 out of 10 in my book by future help	Mar 10th, 2009 12:17:52 PM
and most others.
Marion's age difference by WickedJacob	Mar 10th, 2009 01:02:43 PM
The past is a foreign country. Those kind of relationships were being explored in film at the time. It was pushing limits, seeing how far the sexual revolution would extend. Films weren't trying to condone abuse, they were trying (often naively) to suggest that youth are more competant in making these decisions than they are given credit for. The 1980s saw a backlash toward the other extreme.
There's nothing new in there by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 10th, 2009 01:09:25 PM
that any true Raiders fan didn't already know. What I'd like to see is a transcript of the meetings where they discussed KOTCS. Because I'd really like to know what the hell they were thinking on that.
Fun stuff by mrfan	Mar 10th, 2009 01:23:13 PM
Really enjoy gems like this when they pop up.
My favorite movie of all time. by mrfan	Mar 10th, 2009 01:23:48 PM

kasdan" grand canyon" by FleshMachine	Mar 10th, 2009 01:52:02 PM
heh
fun read!! by FleshMachine	Mar 10th, 2009 01:57:26 PM
thanks!
Abominable Snowcone by FleshMachine	Mar 10th, 2009 01:59:14 PM
nonsense im a huge "TRUE" raiders fan since day one and there TONS of little things in here that NO ONE KNEW until this transcript. u so negative.
did u know that by FleshMachine	Mar 10th, 2009 02:00:01 PM
steven wanted indy to knock off some guys belt with the whip so his pants fell down? no you didnt!
for sure 11/10! by FleshMachine	Mar 10th, 2009 02:07:18 PM
maybe 12/10
Grand Canyon:Unintentional comedy gem by Samuel Fulmer	Mar 10th, 2009 02:13:00 PM
As a drama it's laughable, but as an equally cheesey melodrama it's a laugh riot.
I like how some always want to act like Spiel by Samuel Fulmer	Mar 10th, 2009 02:14:30 PM
berg isn't the one with the goofy ideas. Lucas didn't have anything to do with Hook or the Lost World, and there are far worse things in those films than any of the prequels of KOTCS.
Chris Rock/Robin Williams in A.I. by Samuel Fulmer	Mar 10th, 2009 02:15:25 PM
That's a bigger cinematic disgrace than Jar Jar.
Hype. by imagin78	Mar 10th, 2009 02:48:10 PM
KOTCS is underrated and TDK is overrated. Accept it.
Lucas was trying to make it Flying Saucers from Day One! by NoDiggity	Mar 10th, 2009 03:08:50 PM
He even tries to pretend Spielberg is down with the Flying Saucer angle, to get him to just go along with him on it .. Lucas: We have one of these 'In Search of the Lost Ark' things. I think, also, you've been describing this to people as a science fiction film, which is good. Spielberg: I have not Lucas: It's in Rolling Stone. Anyway ....
Revealing, like Lucas's Star Wars Annotated Screenplays... by rexborsky	Mar 10th, 2009 03:15:10 PM
I seem to remember in that, the Han / Greedo scene in Ep. IV originally saw Greedo pound down on Han with a big ass cyber-sword, cutting through the table and narrowly shaving his 70's sideburns. A fight ensues in which that dude with the hole in the top of his head from the Holiday Special gets caught in the fracas. Shit man, he gets pushed over and spills his head/drink all over Beatrice Arthur (I think thats why he gives her the flowers in Holiday Special). Anyway, turns out that on the day Ford was suffering from a hangover after a wild night on the town with Jefferson Starship. Lucas said "fuck it, just shoot him".
Crystal Skull had better reviews than TDK did by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 03:19:40 PM
But, TDK was the better movie.
Rexborsky what the fuck are you talking about? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 03:22:26 PM
The reason Indy shot the swordsman was because Harrison Ford wasn't feeling well that day, and Ford told Speolberg Indy would just shoot the guy, so that's what they did. They even worked on a huge sword/whip fight, that is seen on an old Raiders special.
My cock had better reviews than Crystal Skull by IL_Deuce	Mar 10th, 2009 03:28:28 PM
Fact.
lockesbrokenleg by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 10th, 2009 03:28:53 PM
Quote: "Crystal Skull had better reviews than TDK did." Uh...what planet are you living on?
Sorry Lockesbrokenleg, I get confused sometimes... by rexborsky	Mar 10th, 2009 03:43:32 PM
..but didn't Lucas used to drive around in his 4x4 with his dog, Indiana, in the passengers seat? I think that's where he got the idea for Daggit the Muffit II.
Locksbroken leg... by IL_Deuce	Mar 10th, 2009 04:01:59 PM
stick to Lost talkbacks. You're out of your element, Donnie!
I HAVE TO ADMIT... by BurgerTime	Mar 10th, 2009 04:08:45 PM
...that reading this was just about as good as eating a t-bone steak and getting a blow-job while driving a Ferarri away from a hoard of giant robots hellbent on TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!!!!!
Newsweek loved Crystal Skull and hated TDK!! by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 04:21:13 PM
Fact
So Lucas wanted to make Indiana Jones a paedophile? by charteredstreets	Mar 10th, 2009 04:26:29 PM
Yeah. That guy should be allowed to direct more movies.
RE: Newsweek by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 10th, 2009 04:35:26 PM
Here is their TDK review and I have to say, it sounds like you're making shit up. But considering how easily rexborsky's post confused you, that's hardly surprising. http://tinyurl.com/bhmaj3
Oh Mr. Shit Gauis by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 05:14:59 PM
Can't believe he took the time to defend TDK. Ass kisser.
Oh, lockesbrokenleg (aka skywalkerfamily) by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 10th, 2009 05:26:08 PM
You really, really, really are a stupid, stupid, stupid person. Got anymore bullshit you want to post today?
Dude, you always pick fights with people by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 06:10:49 PM
Why do you do that? You don't even know who I am. Douche.
Dude, you lied and I called you out on it. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 10th, 2009 06:52:47 PM
It's that simple really. Nothing more; nothing less. So, if you can't take the heat, get your ass out of the kitchen.
Oh, jeez, like you never lied before. by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 07:35:40 PM
Give me a break.
As a junior high school teacher let me say by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers	Mar 10th, 2009 09:22:39 PM
that the moment you start seeing 14 year olds as poontang, you're finished, outta the game, license revoked. you just have no business being a teacher if you're going to be thinking about a 14 year old giving blowjobs. The nerve of George Fuckin Lucas, well I'm just glad to know that Howard the Duck didn't chase no 11 year old beaver.
lockesbrokenleg by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 10th, 2009 09:33:03 PM
Uhhh...not sure what that has to do with anything other than the fact that you're basically admitting that you posted some bullshit and then when someone calls you on it, you proclaim that they're picking a fight with you. WOW. Got ya. Dumbass. Aren't you glad you came back, skywalkerfamily? Ha!
Oh brother by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 09:54:54 PM
Yawn.
Darth Vader by darthvedder81	Mar 11th, 2009 01:54:19 AM
I remember an interview with GL saying how many people objected to their being a man in the Vader suit at all. Like was supposed to be an evil robot or a alien monster or something. I think for a lot of people that's still the case and a big reason why the didn't like the prequels. Seeing the ultimate "badass" Vader stripped down to his impetuous, whiney HUMAN self is something people can't accept at a fundamental level (even if the script had been flawless). For me I thought Anakin's reason for ultimately turning was interesting and even surprising--he wants to do good at any cost and in turn becomes evil. Kinda brilliant if you ask me.
Stop defending SW-Episode III... by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 11th, 2009 03:07:40 AM
...that fucked up trainwreck. It wasn't as annoying as the other two, but still far away from being even remotely a good film. Fuck Luca$h. Seriously.
Kasdan was pitching GRAND CANYON way back then?!?? by Wonder Man	Mar 11th, 2009 04:11:25 AM
heh heh.
Wow, George Lucas did not rape your childhood by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers	Mar 11th, 2009 04:59:58 AM
But Indiana Jones sure did statutory rape that Marion chick.
RAIDERS never the real deal that STAR WARS was by Mr Gorilla	Mar 11th, 2009 07:37:45 AM
Have you noticed that they keep referencing not REAL LIFE people, but FICTIONAL characters. Well, that rings completely true, because there was always something a little META about Raiders. Now, in STAR WARS we all love Han Solo more than Luke, but Luke is an important heart of the film because he really fucking cares. He has a lot to win, and a lot to lose. Whereas Han (and Indy) are both loveable rogues; survivors. Look, I ADORE the Indy films, but they were never stories that took over my imagination - like the first Star Wars films undoubtedly were.
hey mr sulu by The Amazing G	Mar 11th, 2009 09:15:19 PM
you win an internet
also I love this exert.... by The Amazing G	Mar 11th, 2009 09:17:47 PM
"S -- at some point in the movie he must use it to get a girl back who's walking out of the room. Wrap her up and she twirls as he pulls her back. she spins into his arms." Spielberg likey tha whip! he he
He used that trick later on Kate Capshaw in TOD by Tacom	Mar 12th, 2009 10:45:31 AM
Spielberg's future wife ironically.
Where is the link for the second transcript by Orcus	Mar 12th, 2009 02:50:57 PM
Orcus saw a draft for Raiders. That's not it is it?
finished it by The Amazing G	Mar 13th, 2009 05:49:03 AM
that was pretty damn fucking cool, although I can't help but feel that I've just ridden a dark ride with the lights on if you know what I mean, also Spielberg does come off as a bit of a horndog (which means he was allot like me he he)

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