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‘Can You Work Wednesdays??’ Tonight’s Episode Of HEROES Marks Bryan Fuller’s Return To The Series' Writers Room!!

Will this be enough to save Heroes? by oaser	Mar 9th, 2009 05:02:17 AM
What went wrong? Too many heroes? Too many powers? I don't know...they need to plan better like in season 1.
Cheerleader + Comic Book Nerds = Big Bang Theory by alpha	Mar 9th, 2009 05:05:59 AM
Shame it's not a comedy show
Stopped watching... by jackalcack	Mar 9th, 2009 05:15:17 AM
...a couple of episodes ago. I've stuck with this show a long time but it just got to the point where it was boring and annoying me so much I couldn't bear it. I will, however, tune back in now Fuller's back, though I feel a bit like everyone's expectations of what he can do for it are too high. Hopefully I'm wrong, if we could get back to Season 1 greatness then the network just needs to fire Kring and make Fuller the showrunner.
One man can make a difference by V'Shael	Mar 9th, 2009 05:16:36 AM
I hold Manny Coto's run on Enterprise's 4th season to be an example of that. It didn't save the show though. And I kinda-doubt that Fuller can save Heroes when he can't even save his own shoes.
I'm glad I never watched this show. by FookU	Mar 9th, 2009 05:19:06 AM
Even the fans of this show say it's shit. If it were on any other network it would've been shitcanned already.
there's fuck all to watch! by Mr_X	Mar 9th, 2009 05:32:38 AM
I've started downloading shows which i missed the first time around but heard they were good. First on the list Good Vs Evil. and after that Seven Days
and then after that by Mr_X	Mar 9th, 2009 05:34:01 AM
Deadwood and maybe arrested development
and then maybe by Mr_X	Mar 9th, 2009 05:35:17 AM
new york undercover and the wire. and due south.
people have already left. they're not coming back by Mr_X	Mar 9th, 2009 05:38:39 AM
You just maybe able to keep ahold of those who stayed. but no one is coming back to this. does anyone actually display superpowers on this show anymore? what happned to uhura's niece? meh
heroes doesn't like black people by Mr_X	Mar 9th, 2009 05:39:33 AM
controversial.
Isn't "Rebel" Hana Gitelman? by Kevin Holsinger	Mar 9th, 2009 05:56:51 AM
Didn't they establish in Season 1 that she's the character with the power to get into computers and such? If so, I can't see why they're still treating her identity as a mystery. And thanks for restoring the Heroes talkback. I just hope Vol. 4 gets interesting, and soon. I was one of the 3 or 4 people here defending Vol. 3 despite its obvious flaws, but despite cleaner writing on Vol. 4, I've found it uninteresting thus far. Seems that Vol. 2 and 4 have shown that "Sylar road trip = bad idea".
What happened to Heroes is 'nothing'. by worthless	Mar 9th, 2009 05:59:23 AM
As in, nothing ever happens. The show has no balls. They never actually do anything risky. They never actually kill off any compelling characters. They pretend to, but then they always come back. Characters that are evil go good for a few episodes, then back to evil. Characters that are good go evil for a few episodes, then back to good. At the end of each season, nothing signficant has really changed. It all just keeps going in circles. As such, there is no sense of danger anymore. Whenever a character is in trouble, you know things will be back to normal in a couple episodes. Shows can only tread water like this for so long before people lose interest. Unfortunately, I think that time has already passed for Heroes.
RESET BUTTON killed Heroes. by V'Shael	Mar 9th, 2009 06:24:08 AM
It was a victim of its own success. Once it became a runaway hit, network interference demands NO CHANGES can be made, for fear of killing the golden goose. So the show dies a slow prolonged star-trek like death of stagnation.
Reboot, reinterpretation, retcon... by Dingbatty	Mar 9th, 2009 06:26:05 AM
That would fit with the superhero theme. Or mimic the end of SNL's 11th season: dramatized fire destroys the show, possibly saving a cast member.
Rebel, is either.. by Spyhunter	Mar 9th, 2009 06:29:18 AM
Micah or Hana thought I would imagine it would be Micah since they used him so many times whereas Hana had a bit part.
That clip was idiotic, by the way. by Dingbatty	Mar 9th, 2009 06:31:42 AM
I've been in comic shops owned and operated by attractive women, and don't recall skulking, leering dorks everywhere.
Too. Late. by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 9th, 2009 06:39:42 AM
.....not even Fuller can rescue this disaster zone once known as hit TV series "Heroes". Sylar is a villain,.....no wait....he's.....hero.......No , he's a villain again.......no he's a lone ranger with Daddy issues. Heroes is a mess. And don't even get me started on friggin' Hiro. (puts hand on face and shakes head) Sigh Somebody please just do the humane thing and take this retarded delinquent out back and put an end to its (and our) misery.
So Heroes are stealing from Astropia now? by ELGordo	Mar 9th, 2009 07:12:55 AM
That's pretty weak.
Didn't Hana Gittleman die? by Mr. Profit	Mar 9th, 2009 07:15:09 AM
Also she was portrayed by Stana Katic who is now over at ABC. So it's probably not her.
What happend to Ando by ElPaw	Mar 9th, 2009 07:33:06 AM
Saving the Indian woman from marriage? Was there any use to that plot?
I would watch this if the cheerleader got naked. by FookU	Mar 9th, 2009 07:37:12 AM
But only for the brief nude scene then I'd turn it off again.
Heroes' Face is Pants by Bill Brasky	Mar 9th, 2009 07:47:57 AM
Like other current shows Prison Break, Smallville, Life on Mars, 24, and future shows like 'Kings', I 'DVR' Heroes every Monday and then painfully wait for something to happen when I get around to watching it later on in the week. Shows like 'Lost' and BSG are always viewed on the same day that they air. Heroes used to be in with that later grouping...I wish it still was.
So has the debate.... by nobunaga209	Mar 9th, 2009 07:49:35 AM
...over Lost vs. Heroes finally been put to bed? Dude c'mon...regardless I'm DVR'ing both shows my Heroes right now blows curds and chunks....any self respecting fan of television will agree to that. Lost is blowing this show out of the water now, previously, and forever....just saying....
...comic shops owned and operated by attractive women... by Bill Brasky	Mar 9th, 2009 07:55:33 AM
Yeah Dingbatty, like maybe when you are rolling on Ecstasy or smoking Angel Dust, or some other mind altering shit. Come on man! You aren't on a board with the masses, trying to defend comic book shop owners. We are all geeks here...we have all been to comic book shops. We all have a pretty good understanding of what a comic book store owner looks like. And she ain't Evangeline Lilly. or if you want to turn it down a notch, even Anna Paquin...
nobunaga209 by Bill Brasky	Mar 9th, 2009 08:03:17 AM
Yes, the debate is offically over. There is a possibility that back in 2006 the argument could have been made, but its no longer even a point. The only way to save Heroes is to literally kill the current cast (maybe save one, like Peter, who would go on ("Days of Future Past" Wolverine-like) with the memories of his former friends)and then reintroduce a smaller group of Powered individuals. Possibly Peter vs. 'Bad Guy' for control of last 'Supers'? Whatever...this show now sucks. Too many plot threads that were completely thrown away, like we are stupid or something. Peter's Irish girlfriend stuck in the future?
Next week's episode is a rerun. by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 08:12:35 AM
Fuller's episode airs on 3/23. And Mr. Profit, Hana was killed in the graphic novel, so she's out of contention as Rebel. BEsides, isn't she on ABC's Castle, which Herc gave such a glowing review to? ;)
Too late for this season. by CatVutt	Mar 9th, 2009 08:26:07 AM
But I'll check it out next, particularly if they keep Zeljko Ivanek around, because the guy kicks ass and is sorely missed on Damages this year.
the real problem to me ... by Lou C.	Mar 9th, 2009 08:30:23 AM
... with the show is that they had no plan for where it was going to go after the first season. They seemed so opposed to straight-up serialization, that they decided to hit the reset button every time, rather than moving things forward. Season 2 was like running in place and abandoning everything that was good the first time around. Everything is repitition for all these characters, especially Claire. ... a question: what happened to the little girl who can find any person with powers at any time? Mohinder and Matt were taking care of her. Now she's gone. And wouldn't Nathan have been particularly interested in finding her, since she could point them in the right direction on every single person they'd want to capture? Sigh. Oh well. This show is a mess. I love that they dumped that Irish chick off in an alternate universe and have no plans to explain her or have Peter deal with it in any way. It's a nice symbol for how far off the tracks that show has gotten. There's no going back, really.
Bill by nobunaga209	Mar 9th, 2009 08:32:49 AM
Couldn't agree with you more...man this show was EXPLOSIVE for a hot second but has gotten very stupid very quick. I'm not one of those chumps that'll just quit the show [christ I still watch Smallville]...but man have we all got to sit thru some bad television Monday nights...
Mr. Profit by Kevin Holsinger	Mar 9th, 2009 08:40:11 AM
I checked on Wikipedia, and you might be right. I knew Hana Gitelman became like the Lawnmower Man at one point, able to exist inside computers though physically dead. Hence why I assumed that "Rebel" was her. But Wikipedia says her soul was deleted in an online story I apparently haven't read yet. Though in the end, your point about the actress on ABC says more about her ultimate fate than dying in a superhero world. So unless they recast her, I guess "Rebel" is someone else.
"Claire" isn't hot... by Mr. Profit	Mar 9th, 2009 08:45:09 AM
Cute yes. Hot no. She looks like an underdeveloped gymnast. Also WTF is up with the horrible ass wig they put on her head? Anyhow, I tuned the show out this season. It lost in my version of DVR Survivor. Plus Jack Bauer is my must see on Monday night. Maybe they should move Heroes to another night? Monday is fucking brutal for TV shows. Too much going on. I will watch tonight and hope for the best.
DerLanghaarige: Well damn by chrth	Mar 9th, 2009 08:50:25 AM
Does that mean I should watch tonight? Sigh. Something tells me I need to catch up. Are all the eps from the his chapter on Hulu? Yes, I know you're mocking Herc's comment from the Reaper article
"the his" = "this" by chrth	Mar 9th, 2009 08:50:44 AM
La Resistance lives on!
Also my main issue with the show... by Mr. Profit	Mar 9th, 2009 08:54:01 AM
Was how inconsistent it slowly became. I'm no pro, but really shouldn't be so hard to make a show about people with super-powers more exciting. It was fairly disappointing when Sylar vs Peter in season one wasn't even as good as Sydney vs Evil Francie from Alias Season 2. How is it that 2 spy chicks fighting was better choreographed that 2 powerful super heroes? Anyhow, I hope the show can get back on track. But I think all that is missing are the simple things that make audiences flock to TV shows. Action, Action, Action. Pump up the action, raise the stakes, and give the show's plot a huge shot of adrenaline. It's not hard, we just want to see kick ass action. And NBC played themselves. A reformatted Heroes should have been the post Superbowl show. Not The Office. If my Season 5 you aren't into The Office, you never will be. Heroes had a better chance to regain it's footing and audience erosion, and NBC blew it big fucking time.
EvilWizardGlick by Mr. Profit	Mar 9th, 2009 08:58:53 AM
You know what though, maybe it's because I remember her so much as the little girl from Remember The Titans that I can't see her as anything other than cute.
Good clip by zacdilone	Mar 9th, 2009 09:04:16 AM
I predict the season will get better, but will ultimately crumble under the weight of its already existing stink.
Just waiting for Hayden's career to plummet by Miyamoto_Musashi	Mar 9th, 2009 09:32:08 AM
so then she can take that Playboy offer, so Bryan please don't rescue the show
by Groothewarrior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:44:12 AM

by Groothewarrior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:44:13 AM

'Beth Cooper, I Love You' looks mindbendingly bad... by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 09:44:33 AM
She's the lead in that movie; awful cubed.
HRG Bennet is rebel by Groothewarrior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:46:24 AM
he was trying to explain it to Claire before she got him kicked out of the house, hes always walking the tightrope between good guy/bad guy
bennet is in the know by Groothewarrior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:55:29 AM
hes undermining the govt and nathan isnt it obvious, peter read his mind and he willingly whispered it is a trap
Chuck fans.... by STLost	Mar 9th, 2009 09:55:34 AM
If you looked at the clip above, you'll notice two Buy More employees that never have speaking parts (except for the taller, lanky, sideshow bob employee that won that TV a few episodes back). I guess in this Heroes episode they play comic book nerds. Way to be typecast!
Looks familiar? by ELGordo	Mar 9th, 2009 10:10:07 AM
http://tinyurl.com/cufx9g
Hayden, BTW, kinda melted down this weekend... by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 10:15:37 AM
http://tinyurl.com/bzbem6. "She was testy when she stepped onto the red carpet at a fundraiser benefiting the Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific Foundation Sunday in Honolulu. "Back up!" she yelled at photographers. After posing for photos, she brushed by reporters. "A female TV reporter touched her shoulder and asked, "May we talk with you, Hayden?" Miffed, the actress jerked her head around and screamed, "Don't you ever touch me!" She then icily asked a red carpet handler, "Oh, am I supposed to do interviews?" Approaching various media outlets, she snapped again: "You all make my life miserable" and refused to answer any questions. Wow.
RE: Groothewarrior - HRG as Rebel? by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 10:30:28 AM
HRG as rebel? He was in the room with Nathan and the hunter when Rebel was talking via the computer to Matt/Peter. How was HRG doing that? I don't think he's got people working for him. Rebel is micah. plain and simple. they've mentioned he'll be back this season and he has a connection to these people. Micah will be rebel. count on it
Rebel is probably Hiro by SpyGuy	Mar 9th, 2009 10:34:25 AM
Think about it. He's bored out of his mind back at the Andocave and has no powers, so he's become HEROES' version of Oracle.
So, Heroes is still sinking? by David Lazarus Long	Mar 9th, 2009 11:26:53 AM
Glad I got off on that winter break liferaft. Long Live Lost!
My bet on Rebel is... by Tom_Bombadil	Mar 9th, 2009 11:27:25 AM
Micah! Oh and this show has really gone down hill from the beginning. Too bad it WAS kind of fun but now you have Claire getting a job at a comic book store full of 'nerds'?!?! I agree that Sylar is the most interesting character. This show has 'jumped the shark' and is totally inconsistent now. Who knows whats going to happen next week? Maybe HRG will get a superpower next???
AICN lacks spoilers: other sources? by ToddFluhr	Mar 9th, 2009 11:32:14 AM
Does anyone have any other sites with any meat relating to Heroes spoilers and episode discussion? I get the vibe there is a real dismissal of Heroes as somehow unworthy of AICN talkbacks. Now, even stipulating the quality of Heroes has fallen to sewer levels at times, I'd still like to track the development of the show. Any suggestions on other sources out there?
HEROES lost me by skydemon	Mar 9th, 2009 11:36:32 AM
back in the second season. I've not read anything since that has motivated me to catch up, but I hope it does get better. I might then be a little more interested.
CAN YOU HEAR THAT? by jedimast3r	Mar 9th, 2009 11:52:16 AM
It's this show choking on its own vomit, with Smallville watching.
todd if you want spoilers... by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 11:57:20 AM
try googling "behind the eclipse" or go to spoilerfix.com. behind the eclipse isn't really spoilers - but it's the writers answering questions and teasing info about the future episodes. spoilerfix has some stuff there too but i don't use it much
This volumes been great! by TheRocker	Mar 9th, 2009 11:59:06 AM
I'm sure with fuller coming back it will get even better.
Ok, I get it by Carpet_Pisser	Mar 9th, 2009 12:00:12 PM
Most of you hate the show. Well you know what, stop fucking watching, ranting on talkback, and overall hoping this show dies. There are still some of us that like the show. I know it has it's absurd/stupid moments, but overall it is a nice escape, and I don't watch a show to nitpick all of the inconsitancies. Anyway, I do realize the show needs better direction, and lost alot of people in Season 2 and volume 3 (which I feel the whole point of was to get rid of some of the things this writing staff cannot handle..aka..time travel). Overall, though, Volume 4 has been pretty good thus far, and Peter is acting less and less like a naive little girl. Looking forward to the return of Fuller, but would have gladly given up Heroes in order to save Pushing Daisies.
Hayden's meltdown by HoboCode	Mar 9th, 2009 12:15:47 PM
Somebody need's Milo's cock back. they all make her miserable? Those people make you a celebrity and thus rich for having no talent whatsoever. Spoiled little cunt.
Looks like the season finale is gearing up for a 5YG by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 12:22:02 PM
scenario (as in the episode Five Years Gone)...http://tinyurl.com/bsh evd
ToddFluhr by DarkRyders_of_Synn	Mar 9th, 2009 12:24:10 PM
You might want to check here: http://tinyurl.com/38fx2t
UNEVEN by bythehairofsanjaya	Mar 9th, 2009 12:43:29 PM
This season has been very uneven. They started out making assine use (or non-use) of Parkman's powers then last week the characters actually discussed how to best use their powers and actually talked through their limitations. Could there be hope yet?
Thank you much! by ToddFluhr	Mar 9th, 2009 12:44:46 PM
DarkRyders_of_Synn, itrainmonkeys, thank you much! I do have problems with the show, but I also like much about it.
How many chances does this show get? by Whatcokes982	Mar 9th, 2009 12:56:50 PM
Every 6 episodes it's like, "We're totally gonna fix our mistakes this time. Promise!" Blah. I can't give them any more chances.
Please by optimus122	Mar 9th, 2009 01:07:01 PM
Claire is pretty damn cute...stop the BS. You idiots don't always have to play the " I am on the internet and want to look cool so I must be a douche " card in EVERY talkback.
What is Fuller so highly rated on this site? by Muki	Mar 9th, 2009 01:13:05 PM
Don't forget this guy wrote for Star Trek: Voyager, the worst of the Trek series and regularly churned out crap for that show week after week. Also, the actor who plays The Hunter is too short, too pale and looks like he's got AIDS. It's fucking distracting!
whatcokes - i feel like they had 2 chances by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 01:18:21 PM
once - after the writer's strike they had to fix stuff that people complained about. they let the fans and network dictate the decisions of the show second - after that entertainment weekly article came out and brought up many good points and problems with the show. they scrambled and said they will fix it. now they went and got Fuller back to try and save it and i think this is their last chance at keeping the show on. i like the show but have noticed it's gone from being semi-serious to silly at points. i've really been enjoying fugitives and everything fuller has stated in recent interviews sounds really good.
This show is getting better by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Mar 9th, 2009 01:25:26 PM
There's now more of a distinction between the good guys and the bad guys, without all the side-switching that plagued series 2 and 3. Hayden Panitiere still ain't gonna win any acting awards, but they handled the discussion between Claire and her mum really well last week, when they were talking about the divorce. And with Hiro being de-powered and Peter only getting one power at a time, the show has lost the "why the fuck don't they just go back in time and fix things???" factor. With Fuller back I've got even higher hopes. It'll never be lost, but could get back to being as good as it was in series 1. Maybe.
John Glover! by Spice-Orange	Mar 9th, 2009 01:32:19 PM
Sweet! He is such a great geek film actor. Robocop 2, Lex Luthor's dad, Mr. Clamp in Gremlins 2 and countless other credits... he should be proud, yeah?? I love this guy. should be fun. Heroes is REALLY awful now though. i wish it was still season 1. but i watch anyways, because at least they could turn it around... like Lost did. (we can hope!)
Muki - What is Fuller so highly rated on this site? by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 01:36:10 PM
a.) "Why" not "What" b.) You already posted this elsewhere - guess you didn't get the response you wanted c.) Fuller also created and wrote the amazing TV shows Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, and Pushing Daisies. All of which know how to properly handle characters, plot, and build-up/climax.
muki (cont.) by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 01:38:52 PM
let's not forget Fuller wrote what is widely considered one of (if not) the best episodes of Heroes: "Company Man".
Mr. X Shows by Himbo	Mar 9th, 2009 01:40:56 PM
If you are looking for good stuff, check "Invisible Man" from the mid-ninties. Your G vs. E mention is what brought it to mind.
Probably, bacci; she's just 19, after all... by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 01:44:37 PM
This is the first time I heard of her getting standoffish with the press, so that's what probably went down.
Should get rid of Chuck by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 01:53:38 PM
Honestly, that show is so bad. It's the same shit every week.
agreed pennsy by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 01:53:48 PM
Hayden has had to deal with paparazzi for a while now. Google "hayden paparazzi" and you'll see some stories. In 2007 there were tons of paparazzi trying to get upskirt shots anytime she entered or exited a vehicle so she had to alter how she went about getting in and out. that and being followed around ALL the time with constant flashing bulbs and stupid questions can probably get annoying
DAMN YOU WONKA! by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 02:08:11 PM

She had to alter how she got out of a car? by HoboCode	Mar 9th, 2009 02:08:36 PM
THE HUMANITY!!! Get a real problem.
"REBEL" IS...... by IAmMrMonkey!	Mar 9th, 2009 02:12:25 PM
Micah! I hope i'm not the only one of this whole talkback (I've only read half way so far) who has realised this? It's obvious, right? Kid can talk to machines. He's obviously using his power to check up what Nathan has been up to and now he's using their surveillance against them. If it's not, I'll eat my hat. P.S And it's a big eat so it'll take a lot of chewing.
Um...a big hat. by IAmMrMonkey!	Mar 9th, 2009 02:13:29 PM
Not a big "eat". My kingdom for an edit function.
All things considered, this volume has been pretty good. by zerogundamx	Mar 9th, 2009 02:23:44 PM
Sure, a handful of facepalm moments come to mind, but Fugitives has been very good pre-Fuller. I am interested to see what the next two episodes bring, I think they will make or break the season.
Seen it, Hate It!!! by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 02:46:48 PM
Let me preface by saying I am a Fan of Heroes. Now let me say my employment allows me to see every episode the weekend before it airs, including this one. Now let me say that the clip pasted above is the best scene in the entire episode... but that does not say alot. The writers/creators are still requiring you to throw all logical think out the door (because they themselves have done so) but they are constantly tripping stumbling over their own plot holes... Let's examine: - Why is it that every time the feds have taken a 'Hero' they do it in teams armed with tazaer/tranq shotguns and don't hestite to shoot them so the heroes can't use their powers, like competent black ops teams, but when they go to arrest the puppet master they do it with two agents who approach seperately, only one has a tazer gun (no tranq shotgun thing) and the other a sidearm and they both ask him to stop and freeze allowing him more than ample time to use his powers... Oh wait, I know why, it's the only way these hacks can create dramatic moments. Quite honestly the only redeeming part of this episode is the above clip and the erection I received from watching Angela Petrelli suck down on some oysters... This show has not been good since the end of the first season... I would suggest watching House instead (tonights episode of that is quite hilarious).
Comic Stores + Babes by Toonol	Mar 9th, 2009 02:46:54 PM
My friend ran down to the local comic shop one day, when a modeling agency had rented the office upstairs to do tryouts for some sort of bikini calender or magazine. Women had been walking into the comic shop all day in bikinis (models evidently have a hard time reading posted signs). There were a lot of loiters in the shop that day, I hear.
Heroes isn't sinking by Toonol	Mar 9th, 2009 02:53:54 PM
It had an ok first season, crappy second, and the third has been back to ok. The flaws it has now, it had during the first season, but we didn't realize it; we thought there was a point and a reasoning behind all the story meandering, but there wasn't. Still, I think a lot of the criticisms in this thread are a little silly. Really, Heroes is stealing from Astropia?
Pennsy will be the last viewer of this show by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 02:58:22 PM
hugging his Buffy doll.
Zeljko Ivanek by ElPaw	Mar 9th, 2009 03:26:14 PM
Looks like a white Starvin Marvin
Thanks "itrainmonkeys" by Muki	Mar 9th, 2009 03:30:03 PM
a) Thanks for correcting my typo, I’m usually very fastidious about that sort of thing. b) Yeah, I didn’t get any response at all from my previous query so I guess you could say it wasn’t the response I was looking for. Thanks for replying c) I thought Fuller was only involved with 5 episodes of Dead Like Me? I’ve never cared for Pushing Daisies and wasn’t Wonderfalls cancelled after only a handful of episodes? I wonder how many people who rave about Fuller on this site actually know him and his work or rather they simply jump on the Fuller bandwagon because Harry and Hercules say so? He’s not a bad writer I suppose. Company Man was a better than average episode of a very average TV show. But let’s be honest, he’s not in the same league as Joss Whedon, Aaron Sorkin or Ronald D. Moore. Anyone else got any opinions on Fuller? (your own opinions please, not what Harry and Hercules' tell you to think)
MICAH = REBEL by ultragoregrind	Mar 9th, 2009 03:34:18 PM
remember him? and his power to talk to any sort of electronic device? makes perfect sense to me.
RE: bacci40 by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 03:35:35 PM
Apparently. He appeared at the end of last weeks episode as a cliffhanger. Now 'Rebel' has tasked Claire with Saving him... oh gee what a moral dilemma
I've given up on Heroes... now I think it's shit by football	Mar 9th, 2009 03:35:38 PM
You're either a little simple or are aged below 10 to think this is any good.
IAmMrMonkey by ultragoregrind	Mar 9th, 2009 03:35:41 PM
hell yes! glad im not the only one who came to that conclusion.
muki, give pushing daisies a chance by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 04:03:49 PM
I really didn't care much after the first few eps. Thought it was cute and interesting but not great. After watching the first and second season I was dying for more. It's really a good show if you can put up with the bright colors. A lot of clever wordplay and the plot is great. Keeps building. too bad it's cancelled. Fuller wasn't on for 5 episodes of Dead like Me either - he created the show, was a writer for all episodes, and also a consulting producer. Wonderfalls was canceled very fast and I haven't had the chance to watch it but have heard great things. The thing is - many great shows were canceled very fast without much of a chance to appeal to more people.
johnny angel disgusted by bad writing by johnnyangel	Mar 9th, 2009 04:15:43 PM
continues to ignore this show that once had the potential to be epic.
lockesbrokenleg, I bailed on Heroes at 10PM on 12/1/08 by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 04:30:35 PM
In the frakkin' middle of Elle's death scene. Have not watched one second of a preview or a commercial or an episode since. And I'm not broken up about it at all. With 24 getting back to goodness, that's what I watch now. Ugh, though, for that cancer of a show called Dancing with the D-List coming back. Chuck Hicks...he's a contestant, and the only reason he's on there is 'cause he's banging Julianne Hough.
itrainmonkeys, not sure about that by Muki	Mar 9th, 2009 04:49:13 PM
Admittedly Wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources but if you check the ‘Dead Like Me’ page it says: "Fuller left the show five episodes into the first season due to creative differences; creative direction of Dead Like Me was then taken over by executive producers John Masius and Stephen Godchaux" Again not the most reliable of sources but if you check IMDB as well, it lists him as Executive Produce for only 5 episodes and Consulting Producer for only 9. A Consulting Producer credit is usually a vanity credit. For example Michael Piller had a Consulting Producer credit on Star Trek: Voyager for 5 seasons despite not contributing to the writing of any episodes beyond Season 2. Speaking of Star Trek: Voyager, check out some of the episodes Fuller helped write for that show. Some real dumbed-down-lowest-common-deno minator "let’s fill the episodes with borg nanabot techno babble" crap there.
Pennsy isn't a Heroes fan. He just likes stalking by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 04:52:58 PM
Vernica Mars.
Pennsy by TheRocker	Mar 9th, 2009 05:11:19 PM
Dude, stop going on about kristen bell. She had an extendted run on the show anyway and was never a regular. I mean GET OVER IT
And Buffy ended awhile ago by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 05:18:18 PM
Sorry about that.
my mistake by itrainmonkeys	Mar 9th, 2009 05:30:33 PM
you're probably right about Bryan Fuller and dead like me. I just read that he had created it on his wiki page, but was also using IMDB to see how much of a writer he was, which lists him with all the episodes. Maybe he left the show but wrote all the episodes? or just got writer's credit for them. Either way, he definitely did everything on Pushing Daisies and it was a particularly good television show.....so check it out. I'm not really a Bryan Fuller lover or defender or anything.....I just really enjoy PD and was trying to answer your question about what people saw in him and why there was so many fans.
bacci40 by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 05:35:00 PM
Haha, they didn't explain it, he just said he survived... that is really how lame it is. And you are correct that actor is still very good despite his handicap of character (not his fault), but the character could be so much more, but unfortunately characters, especially villians seem to be mere plot devices and provide no texture to the actual story.
Star Trek footage tonight during Heroes by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 05:53:49 PM
According to Trekmovie.com
here's the real question by Dradis Contact	Mar 9th, 2009 06:03:34 PM
Did he write the episode where Hiro and Ando speak Japanese in subtitles but everyone in India speaks English? Even the little boy playing in the street instead of being in school?
I'm hoping there's a new hero called "Pie Maker" by br1947	Mar 9th, 2009 06:54:18 PM
magically brings people back from the dead by touching them. And his trusty side-kick Kristin Chenoweth who's clevage is so deep it forms black holes.... I miss Pushing Daisies!!!!
I want a new villain called "Pizza the Hutt" by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 07:11:01 PM
and he eats that dude with the glasses.
New Star Trek Trailer by Real Deal	Mar 9th, 2009 08:00:00 PM
I don't know if anyone is interested but I hear the new Star Trek trailer ( that everyone's been talking about ) will be shown during Heroes tonight.
Did Heroes reference Lost? by Tom_Bombadil	Mar 9th, 2009 08:09:15 PM
Was the reference to Wednesday night a reference to the show Lost? Just wondering...
Fuller/Wonderfalls by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 08:19:33 PM
Yeah, you can never use an unsuccesful series against the creator when the series was on Fox. Fox is the dumbest film/television company on the planet. They don't know how not to ruin a franchise, and unfortunately when that franchise is one of there own like Wonderfalls, Firefly, Brisco County, etc. All of these shows deserved more then what they got which was a Friday Night timeslot (televison suicide) and little advertising. This franchise killing is also evident in their handling of Superhero Properties as well (name one Fox/Marvel property that is at least decent... ok maybe x-men but honestly that needed Bryan Singer and it was still not what an x-men movie should be.) The oly reason FOX is still in business is the fact that they once made a couple good TV shows (Simpsons/M.W.C.) and were able to milk the sucess of those two shows for very long times (I beleive 20+ years and counting in the case of The Simpsons) Fox could give fuck-all about it's product/customers beyond squeezing money out of them. Please boycot Fox. Please! don't let them ruin another franchise.
OMG, was that Harry in the comic store? by terry1978	Mar 9th, 2009 08:26:51 PM
The roscea looking kid with the afro staring at Claire from behind the comic rack. Damn, spitting image sans the flowing locks.
hard to believe Fuller makes that much difference... BUT by cyrent	Mar 9th, 2009 08:40:00 PM
This is already shaping up to be the most intricate and interesting episode of the new arc. I like where it's going.
excellent Writing by NudeandAroused	Mar 9th, 2009 08:43:26 PM
Much better writing. Dialogue between Sylar and his Dad was superb. Wow. Great improvement there.
Dialog is ALOT better by br1947	Mar 9th, 2009 08:51:04 PM
still screwy plot, but only so much one man can do
that wasn't half bad by v1cious	Mar 9th, 2009 09:00:14 PM
maybe there's hope after all.
Not bad at all by NudeandAroused	Mar 9th, 2009 09:01:57 PM
I was very pleasantly surprised with this episode. parents and children. Itw orked very well.
VR(R)??!? by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 09:05:27 PM
Missed ya. Hope all's well. I'm afraid I'm one of those who bailed on the show, though. Too much water over the bridge. :\| 24 was very good, and that's kept my regret over not watching this to a minimum.
Hold on to your hats... by DarkRyders_of_Synn	Mar 9th, 2009 09:15:05 PM
Looks like Fuller is bring out the big guns in 2 weeks. I hope the writing team can keep up with this momentum. Damn good episode tonight!
Horses are juiced, seats cleared by OfficerJunior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:19:22 PM
bandwagon ready. Hop on it, folks. I will gladly admit that fullers hand in the show was visable and warmly received, but a lot of TBers were down with the show during season 2 and 3. warts and all. No hate from me though, welcome back.
Horses are juiced, seats cleared by OfficerJunior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:19:41 PM
bandwagon ready. Hop on it, folks. I will gladly admit that fullers hand in the show was visable and warmly received, but a lot of TBers were down with the show during season 2 and 3. warts and all. No hate from me though, welcome back.
sorry for the double post by OfficerJunior	Mar 9th, 2009 09:20:09 PM

Vegas Ron, Fuller's only one person, and they need by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 09:26:24 PM
about a half-dozen of 'em to turn this toadfest around. The damage has been too self-inflicted, the series-low ratings in the 18-49 demo every week...it's too late.
Sylar/Dad is great?? by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 09:29:55 PM

terry1978 by Doc Savant	Mar 9th, 2009 09:44:30 PM
I'm pretty sure the guy you think was Harry in the comics store also plays one of the staffers (green shirts) on "Chuck". Incidentally, Chuck was its usual great ol' self tonight - nice to Mr. Picardo getting some work. If only there was an Emergency Medical Program in his lab, he'd have been okay.
Sylar/Dad pt. 2 by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 09:50:58 PM
Really?? By great did you mean trite? Sylar was a cool character in season one (up until he said 'Boom' on top of the scryscraper in the semi-finale) but seriously... are we realy supposed to be impressed by a villian who whole motivation is his Daddy Issues? I can understand him having an insatiable hunger and becoming a serial killer, that aspect of him was interesting, but this whole sympathy for the devil aspect is purely exploitative of the audience. They are looking down on us, they actually think this 'hes a bad guy who wants to be good, oh wait, maybe he's a good guy, guys? or is he?' won't appear as a transparent attempt to stretch a character/series beyond it's potential. And from reading some of the posts like the one from NudeandAroused they are right... this show is dumb because too much of the audience is dumb and actually enjoy this crap as if it is anymore than filler between commercials. Seriouslly, Kill Sylar. He's a tool. Having him as they main villian is an insult to anyone who as every created a villian character. Magneto, Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor, Braniac, the Joker, Thanos... etc. would are probably rolling in their fictional graves knowing that we not only accept this d-bag as a villain, but also as the 'Main Villain'. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. And if we ever get bored of him (please please do) the creators will reintroduce Arthur Petrelli or any of ther other disposable villians from the past in some logic defying twist of events. God I hate this show... If I wasn't forced to watch it for my work, I would have given up halfway through season 2.
Pennsy you may be right. by KCViking	Mar 9th, 2009 09:59:27 PM
But you may want to check out the last three episodes.They remind me of season 1...more substance,less flash.They're not perfect,but,vastly superior to anything in Vol 3. That's not such a ringing endorsement considering how bad Vol.3 was,but,I think you might be pleasantly suprised.
One more thing. by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 9th, 2009 10:01:06 PM
The creators needs to realize there is more to being a dark character than slicking back your hair, wearing black, and talking in a fake clint eastwood whisper. (see future peter/hiro/claire and of course sylar). That's what pussy goth/emo kids do and no one finds them menacing!!! oh and Grunberg's a gaping tool. By volume four, his powers should be well beyond mind reading, at least for more than one episode at a time (as the plot requires him to). They could be doing entire episodes of his mental battles with villains that take place entirely inside his head, but no, we are going to have him read the mind of a bomb expert, and poorly at that. Shame on all of the creators, regardless of what they did before this!!!!!!
bacci, can't say that I do follow Beaman or Behind the Eclipse by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 10:04:46 PM
And the latter are far more condescending toward their readers than the former. It's just that Elle's death was the absolute last straw in a season full of stress fractures. Those 45 seconds of Sylar and her on the beach summed up a season's worth of problems, of shortsightedness when they could have had Bell back in season 4; no wonder she wanted out. And Fuller's going to bring Ali fucking Larter into the mix? I've seen enough of her to last as many lifetimes as alternate Heroes universes. She's their equivalent of Steve Howe and Pete Doherty; chance after chance blown, but she keeps getting more of them.
Xiphos2, better than the original... by Pennsy	Mar 9th, 2009 10:13:06 PM
He's still around, and Wonka drops by every so often. The Ender Smites Foes does not explode in this dojo anymore, I fear. It's good to hear from you.
Pennsy, go write a Bell Blog by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 10:19:44 PM
Bell wasn't Heroes.
Ask Pennsy about obsession. He has it down by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 10:48:30 PM

HEROES hit rock bottom last week. However... by LoneGun	Mar 9th, 2009 10:55:43 PM
...tonight's episode was a vast improvement, with some truly excellent scenes. On the plus side was the interchange between Sylar and his biological father. The scene with Angela Petrelli and Danko was also good, very edgy. On the negative side was anything involving Claire. That scene of her applying for the job in the comic book shop was simply ridiculous. Harry described THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES as a "trainwreck", but HEROES is the real trainwreck. Tonight's episode at least was a step in a better direction. Hopefully, the writers of this show can put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Terminator by Alientoast	Mar 9th, 2009 11:01:17 PM
Speaking of Sarah Connor Chronicles, last Friday's episode was very good. "Fly away, bird!" Crack Sqqquuuaaakkkk
Mr. Muggles is REBEL! by Uncle Stan	Mar 9th, 2009 11:01:36 PM
Of course it's the black kid.
Terminator had some great episodes by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 9th, 2009 11:04:11 PM
But that series sunk faster than the Bismark.
The Episode WAs Kinda PooPY by mistergreen	Mar 9th, 2009 11:24:07 PM

Fuller / Larter = Whedon / Dushku by Smokezilla	Mar 9th, 2009 11:28:59 PM
For some reason, two writers with typically good eyes for actresses seem to have a figurative "blind spot" when it comes to these lasses. Don't get me wrong, I love Ali Larter. She's the only reason I'm still watching, to be honest. One might say she's the Kristen Bell to my Pennsy. But the woman can't act worth a damn. What does Fuller see in her? Who knows? Maybe I'll care in two weeks. Which brings me back to Dollhouse and its problem. Am I the only one who thinks the show would flourish in the hands of a more capable actress (Bell, for instance)? This is one of the few examples in showbiz where killing your series' main character would do everyone a favor. Heroes being another, of course...
Jesus that episode was so much better by MurderMostFowl	Mar 9th, 2009 11:51:03 PM
So many new arcs just opened up, and so many behaviors back to rational. I felt like I was watching season one again. Of course you can't fix everything in one episode, but this is a great turn around. Loved sylars dad, loved what sylar did, loved so much of tonight's episode. Hiro's scene was great too, if only a set up for next week. The one scene that was silly was the Clair comic book store stuff... meh... It's still better than running away with the boyfriend who can stay underwater who never though "hey why don't I swim out to the middle of the fucking ocean and hide?"
LoneGun/MurderMostFowl by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 10th, 2009 12:08:14 AM
You are both tools, As I mentioned in a comment above yours, The reason this show sucks is because too much of the audience is dumb and will enjoy whatever you broadcast into their easily manipulated brains or to put it more politely: YOU ARE THE REASON THIS SHOW DOES AND WILL CONTINUE TO SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!! Do actually find this to be compelling storytelling?!? What are you 12? At it's best this show is entertaining geek fodder via superpowers. At it's normal, it is the same tired plot/character conventions that TV execs have been using to keep people sitting through commercials and then coming back next week for more commercials. At least a show like LOST have enough respect for storytelling to give it's users something they've never seen before (esp. S4 and 5) when they brainwash them. I would recommend you watch the Wire or Deadwood to see what real storytelling is, but since those shows don't have cliffhanger commercial breaks every 10 minutes, you might not be interested in watching a whole episode (assuming you have the mental faculties to even follow one for more than 10 minutes).
So does this show still suck? by billypilgrimisunstuck	Mar 10th, 2009 12:30:04 AM
Even with Fuller?
Franco. by billypilgrimisunstuck	Mar 10th, 2009 12:36:40 AM
I love The Wire and Deadwood as much as the next pseudo-intellect, but your rant came off a little polemic and didactic.
Fuller credited? by Gislef_crow	Mar 10th, 2009 12:42:54 AM
So Fuller wasn't actually credited in any crew position tonight. On the other hand, Loeb and Alexander have been absent for the last couple of weeks but tonight they were listed again.
billypilgrimisunstuck by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 10th, 2009 12:53:44 AM
Yes, it is true I am full of myself. But part of the joy of being a psuedo-intellectual is that your pseudo intellect let's you realize you are above the simpletons (even if just slightly). But all cockyness aside I enjoyed the Fist season quite immensly which is why I feel justified in such extreme anger over the show. And because of volumes 2-4, I feel I wasted 24 episodes of my life on season one, something I would not have bothered with if I new it would have come to this. I feel entirely justified to blast the shallow masses that the creators pander to because I as much as anyone want the show to be what it could and should be, but because these people consider this slop to be good television, the creators will continue to feed it to them. I mention the Wire and Deadwood, not because they are 'intellectual' but because those shows are perfect examples of how good a show can be when the creators respect their audience.
Two Thumbs Up! by squarebird	Mar 10th, 2009 02:13:58 AM
This .. was .. excellent!
that was a good episode! by BadMrWonka	Mar 10th, 2009 03:31:23 AM
very first season-ish...
Improved, but by The McPoyle Clan	Mar 10th, 2009 05:04:52 AM
I'd still rather have Fuller working on his own creations and not trying to rescue others' flaming wrecks. When do we get to see the rest of Daisies you ABC jackasses? Hell, there's no new Lost this week, so make it a PD night.
I hate this story arc by kingoflight	Mar 10th, 2009 05:33:39 AM
Its propper shit, i am glad though that sylar got from in 1 episode clearing up the dad mess of a story back to te main arc. I hope he goes on a 20 character rampage and kills everyone. Really what i would like to see is a tag team of sylar and his dad Vs everyone else in a 2 hour cage match then they call an end to heroes for good never to be redone EVER !
It's getting back on track by Chain	Mar 10th, 2009 06:01:45 AM
Last night was a step in the right direction. I see what they are trying to do with this story arc. Setting up a supergroup pitted against the govt. The line between friend and foe is becoming more distinct. John Glover is a nice addition to the cast if they use him more but it looks like his appearance was more of a cameo. He would make a better arch enemy that Sylar. As for Sylar's daddy issues I think Sylar was looking for a excuse to be the bad guy. Now he has one. It's not his fault he was born this way. Like father like son. Now he has an excuse for his bad actions. Oh and Rebel has to be Micah.
Franco by jackalcack	Mar 10th, 2009 06:17:27 AM
Wanko more like
Mr. Muggles kicks ass. by Pennsy	Mar 10th, 2009 07:44:11 AM
We don't know just how powerful the Muggster is. We can't even begin to comprehend. ;)
FrancoNeroLuv by DarkRyders_of_Synn	Mar 10th, 2009 07:59:26 AM
First, Sylar is not the main bad guy (at least not this season) he is (and always will be) a man who services his own needs. He is a flawed character, but compared to Primatech and Pinehearst, he is a product of his environment. So you don't like his Daddy issues? Dude, he was freaking SOLD as a kid and watched his father kill his mother. That is enough to turn anyone into a nut case. Not to mention that anyone in which he found acceptance (Elle) they end up dead. It is enough to send anyone over the edge. Magneto was a survivor of the Jewish Holocaust. It was that motivation alone that drove him. I am not sure about the other villains, so I cannot speak on them. The villains in this arc is the Hunter and to a lesser extent, Nathan. (Though now I feel that since Nathan has a bullet with his name on it, he will be working with the good guys in some capacity). And the wonderful thing about the Hunter so far is that we know nothing about him. That is one of the best things about a villain. Sure, we will learn his motivations, but right now he is a mystery (like Season 1 Sylar) and that is what I am enjoying.
Rebel is Micah by CrazyGnome	Mar 10th, 2009 08:20:40 AM
Been said 100 times above this post, so I am not as clever as I thought. Micah should just call himself 'Skynet'.....
Hollywood Reporter: Heroes should set an end date. by Pennsy	Mar 10th, 2009 08:46:36 AM
The six reasons why they think so are here: http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03 /heroes-end-date.html
Sylar = the anti-hero by terry1978	Mar 10th, 2009 08:50:12 AM
That's what he was made out to be since day one. Yeah, he was the antagonist early on, but he'll do one of those "heel face turns" at some point.
Finger crossed by Scenester_Intern55	Mar 10th, 2009 09:08:22 AM
that this show can get back on it's feet. The second season slump it hit has taken way too long to shake off. I like Fuller though, hoping he can turn it around.
Heroes ratings are like the song Limbo Rock... by Pennsy	Mar 10th, 2009 09:29:06 AM
How low can they go? Last night was perhaps a series-low 4.0 rating, 6 share. The 18-49 demos which barely are above 3.0 at this point, will be out around 1PM today.
FrancoNeroLuv, you are not an "intellectual". by LoneGun	Mar 10th, 2009 12:21:17 PM
You are just a child, ranting at other Talkbackers - like an annoying - not to mention rude - kid in the playground who wants to be taken seriously. I have never EVER said that I found HEROES to be "compelling storytelling". In the post you refer to, I merely pointed out that last night's episode showed some improvement over the mess the series has turned into. Also, if you honestly think the scene of Claire in the comic book shop was the best that last night's episode had to offer, I can't take anything you say at all seriously. That scene was writing of the lowest order - junior high school quality at best.
"That scene was writing of the lowest order" by jub3i	Mar 10th, 2009 12:49:50 PM
I had to watch this with my g/f last night (I got to watch 24 first), and I was thinking the same damn thing and more. Not only was the writing bad, Hayden acted like the whole comic book thing is beneath her. You could feel her contempt oozing through the screen. Something like, "I hate these fucking geeks in real life and now they are trying to turn me into one on this show. Cocksuckers." Oh and Sylar needs to man the hell up and realize, he's the strongest motherfucker on the planet, by far. This whole emo shit just helps kill any momentum they could gain from Quinto's character.
Jub3i by Toonol	Mar 10th, 2009 01:56:09 PM
That's exactly how 90% of women, and 100% of cheerleaders, would _feel_ if they entered a comic store. That's not bad writing or acting.
Oh for fuck's sake! by HoboCode	Mar 10th, 2009 02:01:09 PM
The scene last night where they try to apprehend the puppetmaster dude summed up EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW.
Oh for fuck's sake! by HoboCode	Mar 10th, 2009 02:01:10 PM
The scene last night where they try to apprehend the puppetmaster dude summed up EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW.
Oh for fuck's sake! by HoboCode	Mar 10th, 2009 02:05:02 PM
The scene last night where they try to apprehend the puppetmaster dude summed up EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW. What kind of dumb cunt let's a guy who can CONTROL YOUR BODY MOVEMENTS the opportunity to use his power?! It's fucking ridiculous. It was worse than the lame-ass double dutch scene. Groan inducing. WHY? Why do I put myself through this pain? Am I masochist? Am I bored? Am I rubbernecking? This is simply one of the worst shows ever made.
Toonol - the comic book shop scene by LoneGun	Mar 10th, 2009 02:24:18 PM
I think what is wrong with the comic book shop scene isn't necessarily how Claire acts, but how the other patrons in the store act. It's an infantile portrayal of comic book readers as repressed, sex-deprived dorks who can't help but gape and salivate at the first attractive girl who walks into a store. I've been to plenty of comic book stores where, believe it or not, several pretty girls like to look around, and the guys never gawk at them the way the guys on HEROES did. Obviously, the writers were attempting something cute - fine - but it came off as offensive and asinine. Maybe I could see that kind of behavior in a porn shop but not a comic book store. Not to mention that the dialogue in the scene was just horrible.
Fuller's writing was fine on Voyager by smackfu	Mar 10th, 2009 02:30:57 PM
As crappy as that show was, I've seen the whole series about 5 times in daily reruns, and when I think of the few shining moments the show had, then check his IMDB list, he wrote the majority of them
By fine, you mean, shit? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 02:38:13 PM

Just remember by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 10th, 2009 02:56:39 PM
This show is no longer anything more than a Soap Opera with an inflated budget. If you enjoy the show anymore, you are simple, regarless of your education or intellect. It's funny how people talk about these characters as if they are anything more than plot devices. None of these characters are real anymore, not even in a fictional sense. Every week the shows makes them what it needs them to be to create drama. A REAL TV show does the opposite. On a real TV show the plot revolves around the characters in the way that the plot would not have unfolded as it did if another character was living it. If Sylar was a decently written character, he would not need a need a new emotional arc every few weeks. The reason he was so comelling in the first season is because he was emotionally unwavering. He was simple. He was a man with a hunger for power. A man, who wanted to take all the power he could so he could become the MOST POWERFUL!!! Not so he can resolve his emotional issues. He was a symbol for mankinds insatiable appetite for power and desire for god-hood. But that would require the creators to give a shit about the story. They don't. They don't because American audiences have been proving to TV execs for decades that they can recycle the same plots/characters and we will still love them as new. They know they don't need to be original or daring or any of the things that set good TV shows from that mediocre and poor. The show has reached the point where the only point of every plot arc or character is to keep you coming back the following week. The fact that it can't even keep a Story arc for entire season shows the lack of an attention span the creators think the audience has. At least season 1 stuck with the explosion in New York for 24 episodes. And not only cannot they not stick with an arc, the write them so that can be deleted entirely from memory within a matter of weeks. Can you really respect a show that has a conflict as major as 'The proliferation of synthetic powers will spilt the world in two' (great metaphor guys) have it last half a season and then pretend it never happened because Arthur Petrelli and his company are gone?!? Really? There are no lasting consequences to their actions?!? Wow. Hate me all you want for thinking your simple for liking this show. I feed of that shit, It's like I have a Hunger... Oh wait Daddy why did you leave me? Now I must kill you! Waaaaahh!!! Make sure to watch next week!. This show was ruined by it creators low opinions of it's audience just like the Star Wars prequels were ruined by Lucas Film's low opinion of it's audience. They don't need the story to be good to get your money, they just need to give you the promise of lightsber battles with Yoda and Sam Jackson as a Jedi. I am mad because I HAVE to watch this show every week. It is my job to watch this show, multiples times per episode more often then not. I do not have the choice not to watch if I want to continue to pay rent. That's why I want the show to either become decent again, or for it's audience to stop putting up with it's crap so NBC will cancel it and you guys/girls can move on the the next generic soap opera advertisement.
Better than some eps, not as good as others. by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.	Mar 10th, 2009 03:07:37 PM

Fuller on Voyager by smackfu	Mar 10th, 2009 03:23:11 PM
Some of Fuller's Voyager episodes include Bliss, Blink of an Eye, Night, Drone, In the Flesh, Timeless, The Fight, Course:Oblivion, Think Tank, Relativity...while they may not be Shakespeare, they are far more original and interesting than the average Voyager episode, and certainly are far from 'techno-babble filler'.
This may be damning with faint praise by Hercules	Mar 10th, 2009 03:43:57 PM
but I found the first two seasons of TNG far weaker than any season of Voyager.
hmmm by slkboxrman	Mar 10th, 2009 03:47:32 PM
I've loved this show from day 1, I've never seen any drop off in quality...bu then again I don't sit in front of the tv and analyze every single second of the episode either...I could go into specifics on how the plot that the season started with wasa not forgotten and how nathans attempts at stoppin it will become a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts, but I don't think it will be received well by the lot of u detail and plot obsessed fanboys who have nothing better to do than trashtalk a show because it doesn't meet your astronmic standards...it all comes down to too much talking ands not enuf power showcasing...when emotions are shown and people talk its insatantly "emo" or "bad writing".. not surprising when a lot of u like that horribly dumb, can't believe its still on crap called CHUCK...and the thing, the only thing most of u like about it is the fact that the chicks on the show are hot, show how much real intelligence the bunch of u have....ratings are still good, confirmed for next season so stfu losers...but we know u won't, whining and crying on the internet is the only social attention u get...so u will be here crying about every episode for at least another year or so....lol
herc by slkboxrman	Mar 10th, 2009 03:55:35 PM
About TNG ... I agree that it hit its stride in the 3rd season.. DS9 and voyager benefitted from TNG's early mistakes
So Sylar tells John Glover... by Bob Parr	Mar 10th, 2009 04:04:28 PM
(his Dad)he got his healing ability from "a cheerleader... in California"...guess who's making a roadtrip to California to visit claire and become the new Big Bad...
FrancoNeroLuv what's your problem? by MurderMostFowl	Mar 10th, 2009 04:05:49 PM
I didn't say it was high art. I said I loved the episode. I have followed the series since the beginning and yeah It's not Mad Men, or BSG, but on the whole it hasn't been awful. I thought the whole 2nd season and the villians arc were misguided, trying to do too much, and now we have a good writer coming back, and for the first time in a long time, I saw some good story elements in the episode. Why the hell do you care? You say you're a fan and then trash the show. I am all about trashing specific elements of the show, but if you just want to trash the show, there are alot of other shows you could be watching instead. Heroes has a lighter aspect that they stick to, that IMHO is a mistake at times. You can see that it's been mandated by someone that you keep younger audiences involved.. keep the silly claire and Hiro plotlines light and airy. I think they make a big mistake with that because it really sidelines the characters. If that means you can't enjoy the show... please do yourself a favor and stop watching.
A few comments by jbs0209	Mar 10th, 2009 04:13:38 PM
1) Cheerleader cute, not hot. Too short and big boned for Hollywood hot. Sure, in real life, she'd be a great girlfrind. But not Hollywood hot 2) Rebel. I thought it was obvious that Angela was Rebel. No need to have previous explication of her PC-skills. Just line up the existing characters and use process of elimination. Plus, this is Heroes, Micah and 1st season PC chick are long forgotten in the writers room. They may as well join Peter's time marooned girlfriend. 3) I honestly had no clue what Ando/Hiro were up to. Seriously Hiro was funny comic relief (and a contrast to Future Hiro) in Season 1. Now, Ando is more interesting/less irritating. Ando needs to bitch-slap Hiro and demand that he "be a man". 4) They should just kill off everyone but Sylar. He is the only guy who can act anyhow. Sylar-actor in Heroes is like Lawrence Oliver in a high school Shakespeare production.
Hobocode you were right about that scene by MurderMostFowl	Mar 10th, 2009 04:13:49 PM
When the chick goes in to capture the puppetmaster, WTF was she carrying a gun for anyway? None of the heroes so far have found guns to be any sort of deterrent, so she should have been using her taser if anyhting. Onne could argue that she was supposed to distrct him while the other guy tased him.. and Claire foiled that. OK I would buy that, but the never set that up at all in the plot, so it's weak. I thought this episode was going to have the puppet master just walk straight out of claire's house at the beginning and control all the Feds and have them shoot themselves, or lock themselves in the trunk or whatever. It would have been a much smarter application of his power. Quite weird that he was "afraid." They should have set the comic book store thing up sooner and had him come there or something if they wanted to avoid a confrontation. There are plenty of weaknesses in the show if you look for it. As I said in another post, it aint high art.
RE: smackfu by scotth	Mar 10th, 2009 04:22:00 PM
He also wrote "Spirit Folk". Generally regarded as the worst Trek episode in the entire franchise.
All Good Things was weaker than Voyager? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 10th, 2009 04:29:24 PM
Uh, yeah, sure.
Smackfu by Muki	Mar 10th, 2009 04:34:35 PM
You seriously didn’t think ‘Drone’ was full of techno-babble filler??? That was actually the exact episode I was thinking of when I made my "let’s fill the episodes with borg nanabot techno babble crap" comment. Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
re: Hercules by Muki	Mar 10th, 2009 04:36:45 PM
The first two seasons of TNG were rather weak. But at the same time, there were some absolute gems in there that far surpassed anything that Voyager ever did. I’m thinking of episodes such as ‘Q-Who’ and ‘Measure of a Man.’ The thing about TNG is that it started off slow but gradually got better and better each season, particularly when Michael Piller took over the writing staff in season 3. With Voyager it was the other way around. It started off big but then deteriorated rapidly.
Needs better writing by sammiedog123	Mar 10th, 2009 04:54:12 PM
Let me go out on a limb and say that the writing for this show is weak...continuity, story arcs, who gives a shit tangents....think back to the first season. Linderman, Mama Petrelli, Daddy Hiro...all appeared to be highly successful in their careers, having taken advantage of their powers to better themselves and their lives. Looking at the second generation, Nathan was given his senator spot by Linderman, no one else is taking advantage of their powers. Puppetmaster, lives and works in a crappy theatre? Give me that power and I walk around an make jewelers put diamonds in trash cans and then force them back in their store...I then swoop in, take the diamonds and they never see my face. Guy who can breathe underwater works in a comic book store and isn't doing a David Blaine or Michael Phelps or Navy SEAL kind of thing? Claire doesn't go into medicine and sell her blood as a cure to rich people for 5,000,000.00 a dose? Call it stem cell therapy or something, no one would have to know she has a power. Don't get me started with Sylar....he could be President, Prime Minister, Dictator, and CEO of any country or company he'd like. Start a Legion of Doom and take the powers he wants and let the folks with weak powers hang around. I still watch this show but it's frustrating to continually see things that no one with a brain in their head would do....."You over there...with the ability to control minds and actions....stop right there or I'll shoot"
MurderMostFowl by FrancoNeroLuv	Mar 10th, 2009 04:58:15 PM
Way to actually read what I wrote. I watch the show because I have no choice. I work on Digital version of each episode for the various web versions of the episode every week. I not only am forced to watch the show to continue receiving paychecks but I often have to sacrafice my saturdays and sundays to watch this trash multiple times over. My anger is justified. Way to pay attention. Way to defend the attention spans of Heroes fans. You are indeed a hero in your own right. Your ability to process shit into entertainment is indeed special. Never asked for high art, I would never expect High Art from television,I asked for a TV show that is less than 80% recycled material. I'm not an asshole for asking a show to at least be decent while it brainwashes us with advertising. I also know this will never happen because The creators know they do not need to make the show decent to get your ratings. I will end this by saying I am excited to see what new hottie claire will meet in the next volume and what power he will use to make out with her... because injecting a new love interest for a main character every season, is just so damn cutting edge... Blazing trails into the future!!!
by sammiedog123	Mar 10th, 2009 05:13:00 PM
Give me back blatant product placement like the Nissan Versa. Shitty car for a shitty show. Here's an idea, why not make the comic book store Claire just got a job at end up being the "local EMO nerd hang out for kids who don't fit in because the have an ability" Guy who can breath underwater worked there. Maybe the rest of the emo's have an ability and they can become Junior Avengers or Teen Titans.
Heroes nominated for 6 Saturn Awards today... by Pennsy	Mar 10th, 2009 05:16:57 PM
Network TV series, 2 for supporting actor (Pasdar and Ventimiglia), Panettiere (Supporting Actress) 2 for guest performance (Robert Forster...and Kristen Bell) Suck on that, haters! ;D (that last one, anyway)
regarding micah, jbs0209 by itrainmonkeys	Mar 10th, 2009 05:25:23 PM
micah is most definitely NOT forgotten about in the writers room. In a few of the "Behind the Eclipse" actual writers of the show have stated that we'll be seeing Micah again at some point this season. It only makes sense that he'll be revealed as Rebel. Maybe he's working for Angela or Nathan.....but I definitely can't believe people are thinking Micah isn't involved. He's doing everything he wanted (being a hero, using powers to help) and has a connection to everyone.
This season is excellent so far! by squarebird	Mar 10th, 2009 05:33:44 PM
I hope the writers have stopped reading this talkback, because I think some of the mistakes of the past have been due to impatient fan talkback - they accelerated plot-lines or made them gimmicky because the fans were too impatient for great story telling. Great story telling as in having plot lines misdirect the reader (audience) into not guessing the resolution but in the end having the plot lines that seemed to go nowhere end up being essential. For example, last nights episode actually opens the door for the creation of the future where Sylar takes Nathans place .. (his fathers speech of the grander things he would do if he had a second chance - which had Sylar decide that he himself would be the second coming of his Father) .. and .. if this is the actual intent, I hope the writers don't change it just because I guessed it .. when we come to that future in real time it turns out that Sylar was the hero who stopped Nathan - the opposite of what we had been led to believe for 3 or 4 years. But that conclusion cannot be rushed - and I hope the writers don't accelerate the plot just to prove to fans that they aren't making this up as they go along. (The impatience that killed Twin Peaks - which ended up bending to the skeptical will and stuffing a whole season into one final episode).
Okay, finished watching the new episode. by Kevin Holsinger	Mar 10th, 2009 05:55:58 PM
1. That better not be the last time we see John Glover. He's too good an actor to pass up. 2. That can't possibly be the end of Doyle, since they didn't explain how he survived Pinehearst exploding (same thing that saved Sylar?). 3. Isn't Micah too young to be someone as intelligent as Rebel?
Why The Hell Am I Still Watching This Show? by arzbest	Mar 10th, 2009 06:05:50 PM
Kristen Bell's dead and gone and I don't care about any of these guys. This whole show is a big muddle and the same things seem to keep happening over and over. As was mentioned above, as of now this series personifies the word "trainwreck"!
I don't like this talk of setting an end date for HEROES. by LoneGun	Mar 10th, 2009 06:45:31 PM
It's not a show like LOST or BATTLESTAR GALACTICA where there's one big ongoing mystery that's wanting to be solved. HEROES has the potential to offer many different stories over time and to gradually develop several compelling character arcs. The only reason I can see them wanting to set an end date is simply to be rid of it. Though the series is in rough shape right now, I still believe it has a lot of potential.
FrancoNeroLuv I do believe your boat by MurderMostFowl	Mar 10th, 2009 07:18:51 PM
has a trolling ,otor on it doesn't it now? On your very first post you say you're a fan. And just because you do prep for a website with prereleased episodes, doesn't mean you have to WATCH it. It's not like you're an editor or anything. So you split it across the commercial breaks and make little flash files BFD. You don't have to waste your breath on the show, and if it's a job you treat it like a job. I have idiot coworkers and I have to deal with every day and do you think I spend one minute trying to figure out their lives or how they could live it better? No. It's just a job You, on the other hand, are a jilted fan of Heroes who thinks its cool to bash the show out of some sort of inflated sense of self importance. We get it, you hate the show and you think the whole thing is stupid. OK good. now that that is said, please don't even bother reading any future Heroes TBs.
Know what made me laugh in the last ep? by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Mar 10th, 2009 07:43:34 PM
The minute long scene of Sylar staring into space whilst mumbling "Mommy....mommy..." over and over again like a retard. That was some funny shit! You know I'm right, assholes.
a couple of questions: by Muki	Mar 10th, 2009 08:38:07 PM
So what exactly was the point of Claire saving Doyle? Sylar never found out why his father killed his mother. And is Hayden Panettiere wearing a wig now - in a couple of scenes her hairline looked really fake
I'm just looking forward to... by Hugh G Rekshun	Mar 10th, 2009 10:08:34 PM
seeing Sylar make Danko his bitch.
LOST is why people hate this show by degausser	Mar 10th, 2009 10:16:20 PM
I honestly believe the hate this show generates comes from its first season when it was the "LOST KILLER". What does this tell you? Don't piss off the Losties.
Heroes, 6 Saturn nominations today; BSG...only 4. by Pennsy	Mar 10th, 2009 10:29:28 PM
:(((
The nexr episode will reveal.. by jazzylg	Mar 10th, 2009 10:40:16 PM
That Danko has an ability, or Sylar smashes him!
BSG 4 Saturn nominations today; Heroes...only 6. by squarebird	Mar 10th, 2009 10:48:16 PM
:)))
Reboot back to the very end scene of season 1 by dsemasin	Mar 11th, 2009 12:26:32 AM
Reboot back to that kirby plaza scene and then rewrite from the second and third seasons over again.
Too little too late. by AnnoyYou	Mar 11th, 2009 12:42:22 AM
Heroes still sucks.
Still watching but not excited... by Tom_Bombadil	Mar 11th, 2009 01:01:53 AM
I would be surprised if Rebel is not Micah. I don't think its Angela although she has the resources to do it but Micah has the ability to do things that Rebel is doing. Sylar's dad can't die yet. If the don't use John Glover more it would be a big mistake. He is such a good actor. It looks like they are starting try and keep things consistent again. The characters drastic changes this season have been enough to make most people who try and follow a story go nuts. I can see why people have stopped watching it. What the heck are they doing with Ando and Hiro? Babysitting a Matt Parkman? Let me guess it is the son of our Matt Parkman. Why did Sylar show up at the Hunter house? I hope Sylar meeting his real father has a good effect on his storyline. He makes a good villain. He needs some direction. Why is he evil? Why does he need to take other 'heroes' powers? Keep him interesting. Well I am done rambling.
What will happen with danko by kingoflight	Mar 11th, 2009 01:18:35 AM
sylar will basically team up with him to capture other poor tossers and give them the old brain poke for their powers. I have to say that they need glover onboard after his exit from smallville its gone down hill. He's a kick ass actor and really needs to stay in this to push the acting bar because just looking at hayden acting is hard enough. They need to ditch a bunch of people off the show personally i feel matt micha if he's still in it daffney ando and the tracey have got to go. they really suck
Trimming the cast down or by Tom_Bombadil	Mar 11th, 2009 02:11:22 AM
getting rid of a number of characters they don't know what to do with wouldn't hurt. Keep John Glover though. He is too good of an actor for just one episode.
I didn't hate Heroes as much as some of you by MorpheusTheSandman	Mar 11th, 2009 04:30:43 AM
but this was actually one of the weaker episodes...
the woman in series 1 who could control the internet... by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Mar 11th, 2009 05:48:53 AM
... wasn't there a character like that who met up with Parkman and the exploding man? If I thought the Heroes writers even remembered series one I'd think it would be a possibility she'd be back, but I reckon it's probaly Micah.
Kick ass by Henry Fool	Mar 11th, 2009 07:39:40 AM
Monday night's episode wasn't great but it was a solid return to form. Nothing is going to pull this series back to season quality this late in the game. The stuff with Sylar and his father was precious. I kind of hope John Glover gets his powers back just to give his son some trouble. We're gonna have to wait for season four for a true return to form for this series. It'll be cool to see what Bryan Fuller can do with an entire year. Maybe we can just pretend season four is actually season two and that the last two years have just been a bad dream. Can't wait for next year.
bacci40: sure I get that but by Muki	Mar 11th, 2009 08:03:18 AM
why would Claire do what Rebel asks? What’s her motivation? I mean given the history she has with Doyle, what does she stand to achieve by helping a clearly dangerous and manipulative man who almost killed her and her mother(s) escape captivity? Does Claire always blindly follow orders from anonymous text messages? That’s pretty weak. The whole thing just screams PLOT DEVICE, almost like the writer's think they can get away with any nonsense they like and simply explain it away with a few anonymous text messages.
Final observations by DarkRyders_of_Synn	Mar 11th, 2009 02:32:30 PM
@ Franco: you are more than welcome to have your opinions of the show. Since I don't watch much television (Heroes and Biggest Loser are the two I watch) I enjoy these indulgences and take them for what they are. Looking over the TB I had the following thoughts and would like to share to see what everyone thought: 1) it would be interesting if Rebel was Peter's gf who's still trapped in the future. the device could be used to tie up her loose end. 2) @ Doyle being afraid: when a person is constantly on the run, sometimes they don't think rationally. However, I don't think Doyle was being 100% genuine, especially after the look he gave Claire when she asked if he meant what he said about starting over. 3) @ Micah's intelligence: remember, Micah basically can speak to computers, so he wouldn't have to be Brianiac or anything like that. He could say "sit and roll over" and somehow it would be translated so a computer could execute the directive. While I do think he's Rebel, it would be cool if somehow found a way to connect with the "deleted" Hannah and that they were working together. 4) @ Danko: I believe that he does have an ability. I noticed back in the first episode this season. When Danko and company apprehended Mohinder, he got whacked with a taxi door. Yet, he manage to be Mohinder and Bennett to the bottom of the garage. The only things I kept saying to myself is that a) he had to jump down and b) damn Danko can take a punch. 5) @ TPG - the woman to whom you are referring was Hannah. Unfortunately, she and and other person named Dreker (I think) found themselves trapped within The Company's mainframe, and subsequently had their "souls" deleted.
but why oh why by dr_pepper	Mar 11th, 2009 03:51:56 PM
do they have to make Hiro so lame. Remember the scene from the first season when Hiro appears on the subway to present Hiro. Where's that dude?? Now watching Hiro is like watching an 8 year old that should be on Rittilin. "look at me I'm a Hero!" "I talk in a feminine sounding voice very excitedly".
kill the cheerleader save the show by fangeek	Mar 18th, 2009 07:11:50 AM
i dont care who they kill off this season as long as one of them is claire. the chick cant act, she is ugly, and can her hair get any more straw like. well i wouldnt mind if they do away with mohinder and get hiro to stop talking like a 4 year old.

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