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Quint and Zack Snyder talk WATCHMEN at WonderCon!

Hey Snyder... That's genius, it's like by drturing	Mar 6th, 2009 02:35:37 PM
How Tommy Wiseau genuinely started to believe that The Room is a 'black comedy' when people showed up to laugh at it. Keep telling yourself that Watchmen is a silly satire if that makes you feel better about the fact you did an ambitious but ultimately meh and tonally off key job. I mean come fucking on, Hallelujah?
bored of watchmen now... by hairyeggs	Mar 6th, 2009 02:40:04 PM
sigh
It's about time we got a Watchmen article on this site by chrth	Mar 6th, 2009 02:41:51 PM

P.S. why is your director's cut more violent by drturing	Mar 6th, 2009 02:42:57 PM
when your movie is already more violent than the book itself, and yet the PG13 The Dark Knight was far more terrifying?
I don't know... by wampa 1	Mar 6th, 2009 02:43:16 PM
...but it sure smells good!
Dark Knight was terrifying drturing? by Sephiroid	Mar 6th, 2009 02:46:11 PM
...How was it terrifying? Yes it might have been a litlle chilling at some moments, but not terrifying...
I said by drturing	Mar 6th, 2009 02:50:04 PM

Ohhhh! Now I get the Joke! by drdoom_v	Mar 6th, 2009 02:50:52 PM
He really hates the Comic! So he trashed the film! I get it now! Ha ha ha funny!
I said "more terrifying than" by drturing	Mar 6th, 2009 02:53:52 PM
I remember opening night of TDK the audience was all amped up to a see a superhero movie and months later it's easy to see the creaky plot holes but at the point where the mayor is getting shot at during a police funeral you could feel the silence in the audience, looking back on a movie nightmare that was paralleling what they feared the world had become. Watchmen makes you go "oh, right, this was like the 80s or something". Greengrass was absolutely right in his instincts to update this to the war on terror.
MY AUNT'S COUSIN'S NEIGHBOR SAW WATCHMEN by TheMarineBiologist	Mar 6th, 2009 02:55:39 PM
Where's the talkback dedicated to his review? Seriously, we need another review!
Watchmen in a nutshell: by BiggusDickus	Mar 6th, 2009 03:01:47 PM
No squid. Haley and Dean Morgan aces. Crudup and Wilson solid. Akerman poor and Goode miscast. Ending works, kind of. Visuals good. Brave stab at the unfilmable. Ultimately, flawed masterpiece but Director's Cut Blu-Ray should rock. Oh, and there's no squid. There. Does that about do it?
Holden Caulfield by imagin78	Mar 6th, 2009 03:10:39 PM
Bring on "The Catcher in the Rye".
Aint it Watchmen News! by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 6th, 2009 03:14:19 PM
Needs more blue guys.
We need Snyder for Bioshock! by Raymar	Mar 6th, 2009 03:14:21 PM
F* Vorbinski! Synder can handle sfx, action and philosophy, create faithful reproductions of alternate retro worlds and make it all look good to boot. He would be THE choice for that film.
Raymar by BiggusDickus	Mar 6th, 2009 03:20:26 PM
Harry for Big Daddy?
Yet ANOTHER Watchmen talkback!! YES!! by WillardGreensThunderballs	Mar 6th, 2009 03:24:46 PM
At this point I'm ready to talk about Paul Blart 2: Blart Harder. OVERKILL!
Zack, do you like slow mo? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 6th, 2009 03:26:50 PM
Zack: Hell yes!
poor Malin Ackerman..lots of hate. by FleshMachine	Mar 6th, 2009 03:50:52 PM
shes gonna off herself.
Terrorism wouldn't have worked by shellfishh	Mar 6th, 2009 03:53:42 PM
Number one, even more fanboys (a relatively small audience) would have hated that many changes to the book. They still probably would have had to take out the squid or not done it well. And I don't see religious fundamentalists (christian, muslim or other) coming together in brotherhood over an alien menace. I see it driving them all apeshit for the apocalypse.
Jonas Brother in 3D - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009 by codereduk	Mar 6th, 2009 03:56:08 PM
It'll sure beat the hell out of reading YET ANOTHER WATCHMAN TALKBACK! Seriously, me and Watchmen talkbacks, we are fuckin' done professionally
Did I miss something? by ALANMOORES_SQUIDBLOOD	Mar 6th, 2009 03:57:54 PM
Did AICN declare March 6th a new holiday? It's Watchmen Day folks. AICN is gonna force so much Watchmen news on ya, you"ll feel like Sally Jupiter as The Comedian is forcing himself on her. You"ll wonder if anyone will bother to make a movie again? Watchmen has cometh... Are you ready?
I want to read that Greengrass script by Jackie Boy	Mar 6th, 2009 03:58:24 PM
anyone know of a link?
thank god Drturning's belief did not come true by awepittance	Mar 6th, 2009 03:59:15 PM
the war on terror is a complete farce, and it's sad to me to see people who respected the original Watchmen graphic novel get sucked into the propaganda and genuinely believe it would elevate the movie in any way whatsoever. there are no scary arab terrorists lurking around corners to hurt you, it is in your mind. basically im saying stop being a pussy.
I can actually picture Harry going around his house now. by ALANMOORES_SQUIDBLOOD	Mar 6th, 2009 04:04:02 PM
In his best Christopher Walken impression "Gimme more Watchmen! My site needs more Watchmen! I got a fever, and that fever is more WATCHMEN!!!!"
The arrogance of Zack Snyder and Quint by ominus	Mar 6th, 2009 04:32:20 PM
is limitless. i mean,who the fuck are these guys who comment: -That’s the complexity of the material, which is why everybody thought it was… -Unfilmable. -…unfilmable, exactly. just pay attention to the specific use of the words. EVERYBODY.what everybody? of course us,the fanboys,the comic geeks,the people who have read the GN and know what the fuck its all about.so right now Mr Quint believes that he express the opinion of everybody,the fanboys,Mr Moore,Gilliam etc.he speaks on behalf of us,on behalf of everybody. but the real problem,is not if u can talk for behalf of the majority,but what how mr Quint continues his sentence: he says that we the people,thought,THOUGHT,pay attention to the past tense of the verb think,that the film was unfilmable.which in other words means,that WE the fanboys at least,we were wrong about our belief that the film was unfilmabe,we CHANGED our opinion about how well the GN can get adapted and that we accept NOW,we accept a fact,A FACT that the film is filmable meaning at least a good adaptation of the original GN. so Mr Quid,together mr Snyder,are now telling in an interview that at this point of time,the comic is filmable.they think its a fact,they acknowledge what they believe to be the truth.a truth accepted finally by the rest of the people who have the opposite opinion. and i wonder. why these 2 people think they are so almighty right on what they state? and its ok if they think they speak on behalf of me,the fanboy,when they say that the film is filmable.But when the same opinion comes from the Mr Moore,the sole creator of the GN (fuck the money-whore gibbons),and Mr Gilliam one of the best film directors ever,then what mr Quid and Snyder do is not just,misguiding the viewer who reads their interview now.They do more than that,they make a hybris,they insult,they fart at Moores and Gilliams direction. and that,personally makes me angry.who are these 2 idiots who act like that? what the fuck are the credentials,what special have they done in their lives so that they have use such heavy,false,selfmade statements of something that has not yet been achieved? one mediocre reviewer and one hack director who hasnt yet created something of its own,are so full of their selves that they believe that indeed a film has been made of an ...unfilmable material. well who the fuck are you mr Quint and Snyder? anyway,i am sorry for the outbust,i just dont like,behind the words,egoistical messages.not that they give a fuck.especially Snyder right now is going to be a permament visitor of boxoffice for the next 2 weeks,regardless of what the money-whore says.
teo people that didn't read the graphic novel by Mr_X	Mar 6th, 2009 04:35:11 PM
watched the movie and hated it. I have a feeling a lot of the genreal public will go into the movie expecting it to be a standard superhero comic fare and have no idea what its about and leave disappointed.
"Meka leka hi, meka heiny ho" by skimn	Mar 6th, 2009 04:47:43 PM
"Meka lake hi, meka choney ho" JAMBI!!
Ominus by imagin78	Mar 6th, 2009 05:20:04 PM
What??
Snyder.... by Zandunga	Mar 6th, 2009 05:31:51 PM
....is reasonably smart and certainly competent, even though Watchmen is clearly a pretty flawed movie in spite of its great strengths (many of these are just casting coups like Hayley). However, he proves his enormous stupidity with this quote about why he didn't even BOTHER with the work done before him, "No, I didn’t, because I was afraid that those ideas might just be awesome. I’m sure they were, so I was just trying to… I knew that whatever point of view we wanted to go to hopefully would just be our own." Look, Gilliam and Greengrass are FAR better filmmakers than Snyder. It's fine for Snyder to want to preserve his own vision and use it, but are you seriously not going to see what brilliant minds did? Because "it could be too awesome"? What a moron. This is where you use any collaborative spirit you may have and see if anything positive can be taken from their work...especially if you admit it's probably "awesome" and could add to your own vision, making it better. What an arrogant prat. He didn't even bother with the scripts, leaving them to his wife. Nice going, director. Sorry, visionary director.
He did a Dawn of the Dead movie? by lockesbrokenleg	Mar 6th, 2009 05:37:51 PM
George Romero must be pissed?
The Squid would have rocked! by fiester	Mar 6th, 2009 06:18:25 PM
Seriously. It would have been the trippiest, most horrific, biggest freak-out ending of all time. Just five solid minutes of people climbing out of the rubble all around, surround by the dead, going insane, as the camera pans back and back and back until finally the while ugly thing is revealed and you realize what Ozzy has done. Someone needs to remake this movie.
The villain was too obvious... by Bill Clay	Mar 6th, 2009 06:23:15 PM
Snyder couldn't have been more obvious if he gave Ozy a Snidely Whiplash mustache to twirl. I saw Watchmen today with a non-fan who doesn't read comics and had never heard of it before seeing commercials advertising the movie. After the show, I asked if the reveal that Ozy was the villain was a surprise. She said, "No, he looked like a bad guy right from the start of the movie."
But Ozy wasn't really the villain... by Outlaw	Mar 6th, 2009 07:01:19 PM
I agree that you could tell that something was fishy with Veidt from the start, but as with the comic, I thought that his reasoning behind the plot was the real twist.
Ozy's original character,,, by Bill Clay	Mar 6th, 2009 08:08:30 PM
In the original book, for all intents and purposes, Ozy looked like Steve Rogers in a toga. He was charismatic and beloved by the public. Imagine if he had been cast and played that way in the film. Captain America murdering millions of people for their own good! THAT would have been a kick in the nuts at the movie's climax. Instead we got a shifty-eyed fey know-it-all. But, frankly, I'm just happy this movie was finally made. An imperfect Watchmen is better than none.
Quint by Dancingforever	Mar 6th, 2009 08:38:30 PM
Thanks for asking about the squid, you are a man of your word. Thoughts after seeing the Watchmen.. Visually perfect, without flaw. Didn't mind the old age make up even. The story was fantastic in the first 2 acts. The 3rd act fails so completely it over shadows the rest of what could have been a great movie. I testify that the confusion felt by most fans, critics, and even casual movie goers is this paradox. The movie is so perfect for the first 2/3 rds it's impossible to believe how utterly and completely it fails in the end. The Nite Owl death scream has erased the Vader "Noooo" from RoTS as the single most over the top forced emotional scene ever. It destroys the Rorschach death scene which should be the paramount emotional moment in the movie.
MOVIE SUCKED MORE THAN STREET FIGHTER!!!!!!! by Alex Mack	Mar 6th, 2009 08:55:03 PM
What kind of gay fanboys are you that like this film? First you get all excited like giggling schoolgirls over the movie "300" which features big, sweaty, muscular men half naked wearing speedos, and now you fanboys get all excited over a movie that features full frontal male nudity!!!!!! YOU'RE SO FREAKING GAY!!! If you're gay then just come out and admit it! Seriously, how can any straight guy watch this stuff. At least "Street Fighter" had that hot ass Kristen Kruenyk or whatever the hell her name is.
LOTS OF PEOPLE WALKED OUT! by Alex Mack	Mar 6th, 2009 08:58:29 PM
The movie was so bad, that alot of people (non fanboys) actually walked out! And this was in Burbank. Hahahaaha! Now that was funny.
Zac Snyder is a frat boy by RickyShoreSingsTheBlues	Mar 6th, 2009 09:06:48 PM
how can anybody want to hear what he has to say? he's one of the most generic, gaudy hacks ever and anybody that would want to sit through two and a half hours of his hollywood gloss is crazy. and i loved the watchmen comic.
@Zandunga by kronos6948	Mar 6th, 2009 09:10:47 PM
I believe what Snyder was going for was that if he found either of the other versions to be awesome, somehow it might have found its way into his version. Then he'd have more of a legal struggle with using material from other folks, unless he plagiarized. So, it's best that he didn't look at any of it.
kronos6948 by blakindigo	Mar 6th, 2009 09:35:42 PM
Agree. It would've invited WGA arbitration problems and arguments over single title credit or "Written by" credits -- a major hassle. Weren't those set up at other studios also? Geezus, the red tape alone would've bled the budget enough to delete the fx budget for the squid.
Alex Mack's two inch dick. by imagin78	Mar 6th, 2009 09:49:42 PM
Alex did your tiny pecker get a hard on with your bullshit, infantile insults. Fuck off!
Quint is not worthy to eat the goddess... by uberfreak	Mar 6th, 2009 10:52:37 PM
Mailin Ackerman's cornpoop.
Alex Mack is the username for Ted Haggard by uberfreak	Mar 6th, 2009 10:55:48 PM

QUINT I FINALLY SAW IT AND STILL HATE THE ENDING by sokitome	Mar 6th, 2009 11:57:32 PM
*SPOILERS**OK. I did love this movie a lot more than I thought I would. Zach did a great job with condensing the story to fit a movie. Everything was perfect BUT the ending. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work for me. We talked about comparing Doc Manhattan as a god but that still doesn't work. I think where we were disagreeing was the fact I don't think it's the "big threat" that's is the main point of the end. It is also about perspectives as often stated within the movie. ALIENS would bring about new perspectives for you average citizen to contemplate when thinking about WORLD WAR THREE. It's more than the fact DOC is a powerful threat. That is already known throughout the movie. It's already established he is an agent for the U.S. by ending vietnam in a week. I believe it is preposterous to think the Russians would think he still wasn't at the end. Plus if someone transcends into Godhood why would he just selectively destroy random cities? If he's God why not just kill everyone or no one at all. It just doesn't make sense therefore making the big hoax not very convincing. It makes the story just a common frame up job. It makes it mundane. IT did exactly that in the movie. It was fantastic until the story was revealed and it just made it mundane. DISCOVERY of alien life would be earth shattering. It would fundementally change how people view the universe. It is one of the many different layers of the graphic novel. Sure, the movie ending works fine but doesn't work brilliantly like the comic. I just feel it was dumbed down so your average joe would understand it, even though i overheard many people shaking their heads in confusion at the end. That is why I am really upset. Zach should have just left the ending alone. I don't buy the story it would have made it longer. Only a coupld of scenes I saw in the movie could have been tweaked to include it. In fact I do believe all that talk about framing Doc about the cancer his first girlfriend and associates had was added therefore making it longer? Anyway again I am getting metaphysical, but I think that was the point of the GN. The movie's ending for me sucked out all that metaphysical and just made it another crime drama. I am torn. I loved the first 98% of it. It's just that last 2 i have a problem with, although I'll still see it again and still buy the bluray...lol
I'm a Snyder fan. by BMacSmith	Mar 7th, 2009 01:05:04 AM
can't wait to see what he does next. We need a good blockbuster maker. get rid of the Bays and Emmerichs and let this guy make some movies.
IF YOU ARE SICK OF WATCHMEN ARTICLES . . . by WickedJacob	Mar 7th, 2009 01:12:28 AM
STOP CLICKING ON THEM. duh.
Non-readers of GN think the film is predictable. by Grievey	Mar 7th, 2009 03:38:30 AM
I went to see Watchmen in IMAX tonight with three people; my girlfriend, her best friend and one of my friends. All three knew instantly that Ozy was the villain. I believe exact words were "There were brilliant parts but the whole thing was kinda predictable." And I abhor all of the morons masturbating while screaming "SQUID!" upon climax, but i do think the film would've had a "whoa, THAT part wasn't predictable" punch if the squid was kept in. But then it would've needed to be at least 45 minutes longer. And honestly, whether or not these dumb fanboys think so, you just can not do that in Hollywood.
Watching Watchmen by nicholas26	Mar 7th, 2009 04:18:57 AM
Saw film today- really enjoyed it- perfect? nope flawed? yep at times glorious? YES SIR WE HAVE A WINNER! read the entire line of comments before posting my two bits- WOW people- this much anger and backstabbing towards each other over a movie reveiw? If the film- which most people said they had'nt even seen yet- but already hated cuz they had a friend who had a friend who said NO SQUID- NO PEACE- thought it was gay- well maybe this film isn't for you- but I waited through almost 15 years of half starts re-vamps- rumored casting- only to be told it was studio poison and no one cared or would get it- guess what- I got it my friends got it- and it was a much better spent friday afternoon then sitting around saying I wish someone would make a great comic book movie...guess what- someone did and the movie was called WATCHMEN! ok you can got back to whatever you do between bitch slaps- xoxo N-
Goode was pretty bad. BRAD PITT FOR OZY!!! by most excellent ninja	Mar 7th, 2009 04:45:24 AM
the way he was pretty much the bad guy from the start, he didn't have that charisma and demeanor of Adrian and the fact he looks ridiculous with that skinny body and that skinny head. Ahh.
Imagine the Squid with THE BODIES EVERYWHERE! by most excellent ninja	Mar 7th, 2009 04:51:34 AM
FUCKKKKKK!!!! When I first read the comic I thought "this would be a sight to see, but no way in hell would anyone have the balls to do it". That would totally mind fuck the audience, you didn't have to do the island and the artists, just mentioning genetic engineering and the kidnapping of genetecists and space experts or something then drop a big alien(didn't have to be the squid, if peopel accepted Cloverfield, they'll accept a big monster) or monster into New York, their WTF? is offset by the images of hundreds of bodies.
Aliens is a better ending by most excellent ninja	Mar 7th, 2009 05:08:09 AM
reason? Suddenly things like nationalities and tribes and race don't make a difference anymore. It's humans uniting as a race against something that suddenly makes what they believe in feel irrelevant. That's the beauty. I know it was an outer limits episode but either way, making it Doc Manhattan makes it lose all it's profundity.
I was 'uninitiated', and... by Token	Mar 7th, 2009 07:51:35 AM
I thought the movie was pretty damned fine. Not having any particular expectations or ideas about 'how it was supposed to be' made the story fresh and fascinating. My problem, such as it was, was that the movie was like sitting down to a 50-course banquet of all my favorite foods...I couldn't have more than a taste of any one thing before something new and wonderful came along, and then more and more. I don't know if I'll see it again at the theatre [saw it at the IMAX, baby!] but I eagerly await the super-duper, extra hour-plus version to take it all in again. More than this, I can now, finally, read the original graphic novel and see what the shouting is _really_ all about.
What exactly is this Watchmen we speaketh of? by Sal_Bando	Mar 7th, 2009 08:47:19 AM
Are they making some movie about Celestial TimePieces or something-?
Saw it yesterday by TheManWithTheHat	Mar 7th, 2009 10:05:52 AM
And was blown away! I am a gigantic fan of the comic too, and was a bit surprised when I heard that the squid was out, but the end really does work for what they needed it to do. Although I was a bit surprised at the sanitized version of the end after all of the proceeding violence (awsome, BTW!!). HOWEVER, given the over-all story-changing effect of Manhattan's last line in the comic, and NOT having him say it himself was a complete bitch-out!! It's nearly a throw away line now, said by what amounts to, in the end, a minor character. Also, there were moments where I could FEEL where the missing stuff is going to go back in - one great example is the scene where Manhattan bugs out of the news show and goes to mars....there's a DEFINITE feel of something missing there, but it still worked to get him where he needed to be, wasn't "skippy", and allowed Snyder et al to get a bit excised out for the theatrical release. And I read recently that Brad Pitt was once being considered for Ozy...that would have been SPECTACULAR. Sort of like grabbing Alec Guinness for SW - it would have lent the film (and Ozy) a bit more weight, and might have worked as a draw to the uninitiated. One more thing to consider is the issue over the past drafts : Even Gilliam said it was "unfilmable", but that was WHEN, exactly? Late 80's/early 90's? Think of how far we've come with SPFX...likely he meant BACK THEN. Overall, the 2.75 HR movie flew by in a flash, and I loved it!! I can't wait for the extended edition!!
Ozymandias in the original book... by Bill Clay	Mar 7th, 2009 12:29:18 PM
In the original graphic novel Adrian Veidt looked like Steve Rogers in a toga. He was charismatic and beloved by the public. Imagine if he had been cast and played that way in the film. An iconic Captain America-type hero murdering millions of people for their own good! THAT would have been a kick in the balls at the movie's climax. Instead we got a shifty-eyed fey know-it-all who was an obvious villain from the first scene he appeared in.
Double post, duh! by Bill Clay	Mar 7th, 2009 12:31:47 PM
Sorry, jumping back and forth between talkbacks I'm repeating myself.
Bill Clay by most excellent ninja	Mar 7th, 2009 01:46:17 PM
played by Brad Pitt.
I hate the line change even more now by most excellent ninja	Mar 7th, 2009 01:47:59 PM
reason is people don't think about it. having Manhattan say it and Ozy going "what do you mean?!" would make the audience remember it. Having the line with Laurie was unintelligent.
Correction by sokitome	Mar 7th, 2009 03:32:27 PM
O.K. I'll admit I was wrong. The cancer set up of Doc Manhattan was originally in the G.N. my bad, but everything else I said applies...lol
Ominus by Avon	Mar 7th, 2009 03:48:33 PM
Go get yourself laid fast or sweet jesus, take some uppers, something, anything.
How the ending of the movie COMPLETELY entire point. by dacanesta	Mar 9th, 2009 01:06:35 AM
Ending of Watchmen the comic is about humanity choosing love over hate. It really is. The Russians stop their hate out of compassion for an enemy that isnt human therefore humanity comes together through love to oppose threat. Movie ending has humanity coming together through fear.....any Bill Hicks fan might know that this is a choice we all face. Love or fear. The movies ending shows the world needs to fear God to come together. Not Moores message, in fact the complete opposite of what hes saying, and not a nice one either. It takes violence to end voilence. Not Moores message, hence he doesnt associate with these things coz people could turn to him and say "is that what you think, beardy?" and he would have to defend himself 50 times over. But i enjoyed the film somehow, i think coz as someone says lots of people walked out and i liked that. It means it wasnt made for the masses and is kind of brave and pretty experimental in that way. RIght, im off to bed Night Night lumpkins x
"changed" the entire point, that should read above by dacanesta	Mar 9th, 2009 01:07:12 AM

do you know what, ive messed my post up lots so forget it! by dacanesta	Mar 9th, 2009 01:09:01 AM
i mean russia had compassion for their enemy because their enemy was at least akin to them whilst what was attacking them was.....you guessed it! A squid. x
Matthew Goode by PTSDPete	Mar 10th, 2009 07:03:56 AM
Well, I've sort of realized that this is in fact, on of the Watchmen film's greatest innovations. That this shifty-eyed, clearly messed up, villian-y guy is a SUPERHERO.
A literal, Steve Rogers - esque Ozy by PTSDPete	Mar 10th, 2009 07:19:20 AM
As I realized, would just be a regurgitation of ' The Dark Knight '. Specifically Christian Bale's Batman towards the end. In this post-Bush era of neo-con moral entitlement, that may only, and quite wrongly, lead people towards believing that he is the GOOD guy, and is something that the film, or even Alan Moore himself, would endorse. Snyder was completely on target when he's emphasized this is ' satire ' - the comic was satire as well - as Ozy's character and the denouement, was specifically made to LAMBAST that. In all it's self-important, bloated hubris of the ' superhero ', which deems persona ascendant than anyone else - and it's fitting irony how the staunch, brain-damaged Objectivist is the one who gets to point that to him first. This point is punctuated further but what I perceive to be ( this can easily just as well be a supposition on my part ), Snyder making the narrative construction, and manner of denouement ITSELF complicit to the blandness of such a worldview. In the end, this is pretty much a legitimate, post-modernist interpretation of the character and his relevance - a darker, grittier, and uglier one at that.
Love that name ^ by Orcus	Mar 17th, 2009 10:28:59 AM

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