This may actually work.

Looks...interest ing. What the hell, I'm there.

Directors can (often) make a poor films out of good scripts, but the reverse is not possible.

In Star Trek, you've got two middling screenwriters. Temper your expectations.

But oh well, that was a freaking amazing trailer.

This looks awesome. "Fire EVERYTHING!" Dayam.

The fun part will be going to see this with my bf who is a pretty big Star Trek fan and what his opinion is going to be compared to my own.

Nimoy is simply listed as Old Spock on imdb, no telling how much screen time he's got.

Can't wait to see Rachel Nichols in green skinned Orion sexiness.

Track is called "final fight", from the episode 'chosen':

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Reaffirming my belief that the score from that series is REALLY underrated!

That's why he says "Kirk was a great man, but that was in another life".;

So actually, this is even better than a reboot; it's a primer for people (like me) who didnt really care about Trek before to get into the universe.

Jesus fucking Christ. I'm analyzing a Star Trek trailer! Never thought I'd see this day come.

And from the way Abrams and the writer's talked about it, they're more interested in using it as an intro to the greater universe, so they probably know a 'reset' would be too extreme. I'd imagine that would set even the causal fans of the series off!

Yes, we get it--this will be the adrenaline rush of the early summer. But it won't be Star Trek. Which is too bad--because I always liked Star Trek...and if this is what the future holds, I'll pass.

It wasn't really the smartest movie ever nor the most action packed, but it had respectable amounts of both to keep entertained and interested enough for folks to go back.

Of course ST has no chance of making those kinda numbers, cause it ain't no godamned Batman, but I think it can give the other sci-fi properties this year a really good fight if it can do those things. It already looks smarter than GIJOE or TF (not hard considering the nature of either IP) and action looks competitive right now.

So, it will be a hit--because audiences don't have discriminating tastes anymore.

It is a polite way of saying to the fans "Sorry, but you won't be seeing new adventures in your old Universe again--but if you want to try new EXTREME TREK (Now with extra stunts and 'splosions! Now with 40% less intelligence and imagination, just the way the everybody likes it!)--the version of Star Trek you never knew you wanted (and probably didn't).

Personally, I am LOVING how the fans, so desperate for anything that is called Star Trek, are rushing to embrace this film. We'll see what there tune is after they have actually seen it...

(I can feel the flames warming up)

If the reviews come out and say Stephen Sommer's decided to bring his Deep Rising and The Mummy 1 levels of action and self-aware fun to the movie I'll check it out.

But if it's everything he did after the Mummy 1, I'm staying home.

I don't look down on mindless action movies provided that they at least do their job and provided me with comprehensible and well staged action scenes, fun dialog and competent tell an interesting story, and not bore me with self-important filler. I know Stephen Sommers has been capable of both before, and hope he finds his way back this time. If not, I can always wait to see it on my inflight movie screen...

And I have a surprise for you--The Motion Picture, while not perfect, is still a good movie. I mean, Isaac F*CKING Asimov was the science advisor on the movie (He wrote these things called BOOKS--you might have heard about them). He was the guy who kept yelling about how even though Star Wars was fun, you can't call it Science Fiction...because it isn't. There isn't any SCIENCE in it. If you watch REAL space travel, it is slow and graceful--Star Trek: The Motion Picture attempted to have Star-Wars or 2001: A Space Odyssey sized spectacle and reintroduce James Kirk and a revamped Enterprise, and also try to stay somewhat true to science in the bargain.

So, forgive me if the Idiocracy-version of Star Trek isn't impressing me right now...

I think this movie is clearly trying to reinvent Star Trek into something exiting (ummm.... "Wagon Train to the stars) rather than coma-inducing.

I don't care how real "ST:TMP" was, it was also boring as hell.

Oh, and they always talk about exploring, but never really explore shit. Just get into touchy situations.

I have seen many films, from Bergman's The Seventh Seal to Santa Claus versus the Martians. And I have had strong opinions of many films, championing many that never got a chances and suffering through many that were very popular..and the inverse as well. There have been popular films, even franchises that I really enjoyed.

But, I guess, when it comes to Star Trek--there was always an almost tangible "Star Trek feeling" to those films, which the last two or three films lacked--a sense of maritime adventure mixed with humanism and exploration...but in the vastness of space. Star Trek was it's own thing--not Star Wars or any other type of science fiction property--and it was good at what it was.

And the truth is it's over.

My Star Trek has come to an end--and in it's place is this new thing--that I am wary of.

I really don't know if I will see this film in theaters. It was not made for me, I am not it's intended audience--it just bothers me that for the first time in 30 years, I am not looking forward to a new Star Trek film.

So, stop telling me I am a film snob. I am, like many here, an empassioned fan, who is disconnected and argumentative about it. Like, when they added all the unnecisary CGI to Star Wars and E.T., like when they rush a film to meet a release date rather than craft the film into the best possible version of what it could be. Those things that anger many of the people who visit or write for this site.

And forgive me for not buying your "Love is better than Hate" rhetoric when you are a rude jackass.

Kirk: Why......... are-you....... talking.... to-me-man

I don't want you to fuck off and die. I just want you to lose all feeling in your penis.

And before anyone says anything; if Kirk was really third in line on the bridge. Everyone would be aware of it and you wouldn't have to make a "Kirk saves the day" scene out of it. He would be doing his frickin job.

Hey, how do you know when you are south african? You know someone who knows someone who has met Nelson Mandela...ha sorry old joke :)

Yes! you lucky bastard! that's lekker

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You might have to become a regular customer (or just get in good with a few vendors) but they can and will get you anything you want for the money...which is usually pretty cheap.

I'm liking that it's Star Trek, but new & different. W/ this trailer & the "Countdown" comic (which I'll be reading pt1 this wkend), I feel that they've not completely pissed on the previous ST continuity, but have instead modified it to present to a new generation. This looks to be another fandom I can happily share w/ my son - not the same "old crap" I grew up with, but still familiar & worthwhile.

Could it be that he really is as terrible and unwatchable as the preview-reviews here suggested a while ago?

Of course you click around and hit the "Official Site" button which has a Flash version of the newest trailer with a "Watch in HD" link at the bottom left - WHICH BRINGS YOU BACK TO THE ABOVE PAGE!

So where is the "Glorious" "Quicktime" version of Trailer 3?

Fuck!

I do not trust Orci and Kurtzman to write a play for a 5th grade class...they have ALOT to prove when it comes to writing intelligent, adult scripts...this gets no pass from me...I still say it will probably suck. But I dare you Bob...Prove me wrong. Prove to me, an educated, adult cinema fan, that you can write a script that does not insult me like damned near everything you have touched in the past and I'll say I'm sorry and spend $12 bucks. Do it..I dare you to prove you are more than a lucky mediocrity.

. . .from watching that trailer. I've never been a die-hard Trek fan--I never saw TOS, saw bits of TNG (which I loved), and saw most of DS9 (which I really loved). And yes, although the trailer makes everything looks like a Michael Bay sci-fi flick with explodinating FX all over the place. . .I can't help but get excited over the possibility of a ST movie done right. Especially after that Nemesis abomination. And Insurrection.

And God, the trailer was really, really amazing. I hope this turns out well. *crosses fingers*

For the people asking where McCoy's accent, you should really go back to the original series. Some people act like Bones had some pronounced, obvious Southern drawl. By the time he got very old in the movies, it was more pronounced, but he doesn't sound all that Southern back in the day. He had a subtle accent. And two lines from Urban aren't a good indication, anyway.

By the way, seeing Spock sort of lecturing to the cadets while seemingly in a cadet uniform himself could indicate that he's an upperclassman as compared to Kirk. I believe in military academies, upperclassman do get some extra responsibilities. This actually falls in line with the established continuity that Spock graduated before Kirk.

And finally... people seem to be getting the wrong idea about what's "canon". The only real canon should be based on what we've learned on the TV shows and in the movies. Encyclopedias and Chronologies and novels put out by official sources do not necessarily dictate anything. The Chronology book that lays down lots of history admittedly refers to some things as "Conjecture", and I believe later editions changed things based on the show or movies. So, don't complain if this movie doesn't match with that. Can anyone point out a filmed scene that discusses what year different characters graduated from the academy??

Star Trek V - A Shatnerian Masterpiece…

If you look at TFF as a strange dream of Kirks…from the first campsite scene post mountain fall to right at the end of the film with the ‘Row Row Row your boat’ reprise..then its possible that Trek V is actually a masterpiece of modern day cinema

Consider:

- The events of the movie are a reflection of Kirk’s fears: being put back into action while he’s unprepared, geting screwed by Starfleet, losing his crew and losing, above all, his friends.

- Events from the camping trip are mirrored in the dream: climbing El Capitan/climbing the mountain at the end…the fall from El Capitan/the fall from the turbo shaft…musing around the campfire/musing around the steering wheel.

- The broken and unreliable Enterprise is another fear of Kirk; that no ship can live up to the original.

- The movie follows dream logic: characters appear when needed (Spock in the turboshaft, Scotty in the brig, Spock in the BoP) and reality warps to accomodate the “story” (70+ decks, the mysterious wheel room, unicorns, sybok, god).

- Kirk ate gods for breakfast, so it’s no surprise they show up in his dreams. The fight against “god” is Kirk’s subconscious idea of a generic adventure. Likewise, a Klingon is his idea of a generic villain.

- In the end, Spocks saves his ass, just like he saved Spock’s.

- The romantic relationship between Scotty and Uhura.

- A 30 year plus impossible journey to the centre of the galaxy that happens in a few hours.

- Spock having a brother which was never mentioned before.

- the song “Row, Row, Row Your Boat” ends with the line “life is but a dream.”

- when going through the great barrier and the 3 are in the mysterious wheel room Bones asks ‘are we dreaming?’ and Kirk goes ‘if we are..then life is a dream’…

- Being chased by ‘Rock men’ would also have had a very nightmare like quality to it (although those scenes were dropped)

- Kirk, Spock and Bones remain together for much of the movie..just like at the campsite..

- And of course the story starting and ending in the same spot, with the Kirk, Spock and McCoy wearing the same clothes.

When you look at the movie as a nightmare, a reflection of Kirk’s subconscious fears and desires, it actually, somehow, makes *more* sense. In fact, it starts making a *lot* of sense

they could have read the script for Yesterdays Ent in 89/90 and though ‘whoa this would make a great cross over film when we get around to doing it with the original cast - we better keep it on hold for that.’

Alternatively they could have just done what TMP did and used elements of the episode for the film - not doing it verbatim but similar (e.g. TMP - with Doomsday Machine/The Changeling.....TVH - Tomorrow is Yesterday/Assignment Earth....TFF - The Way to Eden) Or what if Star Trek VI had been part 1 of a two parter leading into TNGs 1st movie??-Trek VI & Generations could have been a two part story with VI ending with the supposed destruction of 1701-A and the loss of all hands as Enterprise was blasted into the time distortion as Chang fired a huge final volley at her. The Federation President is therefore assassinated and all hell breaks loose leading to war with the klingons. Last scene of Trek VI could have been Kirk seeing the Ent D on the viewer….’to be continued….’ .....Then Generations opens with Picard and Co encountering Kirk and Co and the badly damaged Enterprise A in the war-torn alternate time line of the 24th century.... they could have released it in 1996 (maybe not the Trek VI tie in as 5 years would be too long a wait)thus allowing abit of time in order to come up with a decent script, build some anticipation for TNG on the big screen and also have given the TNG actors and writers etc a bit of a rest after 7 years to recharge..not thrown them into doing the movie immediately after the last ep. Plus 96 was Treks 30th anniversary - the perfect time for a crossover film. Also they could have got Meyer or Nimoy to direct the film (both had directed time travel movies)...Nimoy was offered the existing Generations but turned it down due to the script and lack of time.

It could have been an epic 2½ hour crossover movie - Star Trek VII/TNG The Motion Picture Instead we got the nexus with Kirk and Picard making breakfast : (

what can i say,veeery original.. are we going to see picard and the resurrected data (his mind imprinted in B4s body) in the movie too?

ofc the timeline,the universe and whatever we have seen all these years,will account as nothing or they will get altered.because of this reboot/retcon.

and i thought that fucking up a universe with reboots/retcons,was a privilege for Marvel/DC.but again who said paramount is better than this?

That said: I am now excited about this film. I am still worried about how "mainstream" this film might NOT become...which could jeapordize future films). However, I am very much looking forward to it -- more than any other film this summer.

Too true. Too true.

Disconnect from the movie, and you'll connect to a deeper meaning and ultimately a great movie that just isn't on screen.

And no, I'm not high right now, or any other time I've watched it.

Suck it up, buttercup. The majority is with me on this one. But not V. But they will come to love V.

Sounds like they used the horn section from TDK in the trailer too but I don't care, I seriously hope this film is the awesome treat it appears.

Turns out to be "Down scope"

Only one Trek film (Trek 4) ever topped 100 M at domestic box office...and the highest grossing Trek EVER was First Contact with a WORLDWIDE of 150 million. Worldwide. The last Trek film eeked out a worldwide of 67 million. Worldwide. Kinda sad little numbers, eh?

So just be happy you're getting a Trek film at all...and if you want to take a pass, know that you're putting the final nail in the coffin of the franchise, because this is the last gasp. If this fails, you can stick to your Kirk novelizations and fan-made youtube trailers.

Bottom line: if your old Trek was so beloved they would still be making them like that. So get with the times, move on, and get in line with the rest of us.

Thank you.

I'm so unbelievably on board for this right now. And the music is amazing. I want the music from this trailer on my laptop RIGHT NOW!

New flashy sets/costumes/design? Check.

Abundant, obvious use of CG for set pieces, as opposed to models like the old films? Check.

New younger, hip cast? Check.

One main actor that's a dead ringer for the original actor? (Routh=Sylar) Check.

Cheap use of older actor from original films in cameo to "tie together" the reboot/sequel? (Brando=Nimoy) Check.

This will be like Superman Returns.

Which I'm fine with, because I liked Superman Returns. I was there opening day, as I will be for this. But the truth is that it dropped from a 9.5 "this is great!" on first viewing to a 7 or so after repeat viewings.

That's what we're looking at here, methinks. (the trailer IS pretty slick, btw. I dig it.)

Wierd, that.

And thanks to everyone who responded to the back and forth between me and Lord Enigma. It felt good to vent--and get a good opposing viewpoint as well.

turned out he was about to say grace at the din din table.

Cue trekkie losers saying "See? You HATE trek so your opinion isn't valid."

My favorite bit is how they say ST is "intelligent" SF, but can't see the stupidity of interchangable alien cultures with the only differences between them being what shape the funny plastic pieces have that are glued to their foreheads.

Looks a lot better than Nemesis. It's got a chance of being very, very good. Trek was stagnating - it needed a complete revamp.

Maybe they've found a decent bad guy in Bana.

I wouldn't mind so much if you all were just comparing Trailers, but to compare a released film, one you've all seen, to a film you haven't seen yet.

It's an uneven, unfair, and speculative prediction that can't be discussed properly due to a lack of information on the star trek film.

It really is like comparing a book you've read to a book you haven't read based on the hard cover jacket design being similar to the jacket gracing the book you didn't (or did) care for.

Say whatever you want It's a free country and everything; just seems like a waste of discussion space.

Speaking of which; way back in ST:II and III, almost everyone Hated David Marcus. In a way, I guess you could say he was considered the JarJar of Og trek movies.

Because near as I can tell, all of them are spot on.

True, the finished film is not yet seen, but there are already several key similarities, which I listed in my earlier post.

I hope the movie is good, and I think it will be, but probably in a Superman Returns kind of way.

Or, as I trademarked MONTHS ago when the teaser hit: STAR TREK RETURNS.

First, i wasn't actually referring to YOU specifically. In fact, the whole point of my post was the semi-frequent comparisons, yours is just one, I keep seeing here. You're taking it a bit personally, i think.

Now, I don't feel I need to examine and discuss your Comparisons individually at all since, and this isn't just my opinion, all of them are surface details that are incapable of giving us any valid notions about the film, and I'll say it again, as-yet-unseen film.

What your asking is impossible. "Explain to me how this movie is different than the one i made up in my head". because that's what you're asking.

The end result of a film depends on the quality of work done, not that they used CGI instead of models, or cast younger people, or had old series actors in it, flashy costumes or an actor who's a dead ringer.

I want to hear more discussions about what's going on, what's being used and why and how?

There is just so much new trek to talk about now...and more to come.

Time Traveling drill: I like how Nero is a disgruntled ex-miner, not just some genetically enhanced super villain.(worked for Khan, not so much for Shinzon)

IDIC everyone.
IDIC
IDIC
IDIC...into forever.

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Picard: Has Ship`s Lawyer draft a stern letter of protest.

Sisko: Stares it down then plays it at baseball with the future of the Federation as a stake.

Janeway: Whines it to death with butchly high-pitched morals speech.

Archer: Invites it on board to sign a peace treaty then blows its ship up while its aboard.

New-Movie Kirk: Applies more hair gel and acne lotion, then plays "Johnny B Goode" at it.