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Cool?
by Crow3711
Feb 4th, 2009
10:19:40 AM
Not sure.
BTW, Where is The Lost TB?
by Crow3711
Feb 4th, 2009
10:20:18 AM
I don't care about TR2N. It's Wednesday for Jacob's sake.
third
by torpedoboy
Feb 4th, 2009
10:20:56 AM
third
Every Detail Huh?
by santoanderson
Feb 4th, 2009
10:22:21 AM
Better pack an extra pair of socks then, huh?
I know this...
by judge dredds fresh undies
Feb 4th, 2009
10:30:44 AM
because I happen to be somewhere where someone that was there that day and for the scanning of Jeff Bridges wrinkled scarred face is.
That could be Lloyd Bridges and Joan Rivers...
by hillvalley
Feb 4th, 2009
10:31:04 AM
...for all I could make out from that blurry mess. you couldn't find a better quality video?
I want to be excited for this movie...
by beetlegeuse
Feb 4th, 2009
10:31:54 AM
but its just not happenning for me, not yet anyways. Oh, and bytheway I hope the studios start to realize that they need to build more 3D theaters, cuz watching something that you know is supposed to be 3D, not in 3D,is lame, but i don't have a whole lotta choices :(
Disney need to post a quicktime version of the teaser already!
by judge dredds fresh undies
Feb 4th, 2009
10:32:52 AM
Sounds cool - and glad they figured something out
by VAWitch
Feb 4th, 2009
10:34:59 AM
If the quality remains the same as the "teaser", then it sounds like they reached a happy in-between for reality/aging & a computer/ageless-world.

Any word if Boxleitner is reprising Tron at all? Seems kinda silly if there's not at least a torch-passing (i.e., Alan has left/died, thus so has Tron).

"Canada scans actors"
by choptop
Feb 4th, 2009
10:35:45 AM
It takes an entire country?
Post a quicktime but keep the audience reaction
by Bobman46
Feb 4th, 2009
10:37:29 AM
that's what really makes that blurry video special
Bobman - totally right
by VAWitch
Feb 4th, 2009
10:39:55 AM
While I can't say (20+ yrs later) that Tron was the best ever, for it's time, it was pretty cool. And obviously a lot of "regular" folks have a soft spot for it, based on the CC-reactions last year.
Two Jeff Bridges?
by Knuckleduster
Feb 4th, 2009
10:41:48 AM
Surely, this can only be a good thing.
Blured neon goodness
by kingoflight
Feb 4th, 2009
10:41:57 AM
AHNOLD
by POST
Feb 4th, 2009
10:44:07 AM
This is what everyone is hoping is done for T4
Can't Wait
by GeorgieBoy
Feb 4th, 2009
10:44:10 AM
I'm excited to see this! I hope it doesn't suck...
Wow! I really hope this movie will be great...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Feb 4th, 2009
10:48:49 AM
...because I LOVE the first TRON movie. And Jeff Bridges. Great dude!
And holy mother of fuck, that lightcycle sequence...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Feb 4th, 2009
10:50:37 AM
...gave me goosebumps. Literally.
DerLanghaarige
by A-COD
Feb 4th, 2009
10:51:02 AM
I second that Dr Who notion. Never thought of it before but it would be great. I am jazzed up for Tron 2 but I wonder what the true Box Office capabilities are. The first one bombed after all in the early 80s. It's not my money, spend away. I'm in for 20 bucks, 10 for a theatre ticket and 10 for the DVD.
I second those 20 bucks, DerLanghaarige!
by Motoko Kusanagi
Feb 4th, 2009
10:53:32 AM
Though I think those will be Euros, not Dollars. ;-)
Canada does this?
by Bass Ackwards
Feb 4th, 2009
10:55:43 AM
What a country! But I read about these scans everytime a big fx movie comes out, they sound great but ultimately the scan is only as good as the CGI tech that can reproduce it. We'll see, I just don't want anymore burly brawls.
Jeff Bridges 2 would be better.
by Diagnostic
Feb 4th, 2009
10:57:14 AM
or could you J2ff Bid2es?
Is Wendy Carlos doing the score?
by Jodet
Feb 4th, 2009
10:58:36 AM
If not they're raping my childhoo.
can't wait tor TRON the ride at disneyworld
by Six Demon Bag
Feb 4th, 2009
11:00:52 AM
movie will bomb though
A-Cod
by Crow3711
Feb 4th, 2009
11:01:12 AM
Where are you paying ten bucks for brand new Disney DVDs...especially when in 2 1/2 years when TR2N is actually on DVD itll probbaly be Blu-Ray only? You must be gong 3 1/2 years in the future when its the bargain bin next to Speed Racer.
Am I the only one
by stvnhthr
Feb 4th, 2009
11:02:15 AM
Am I the only geek who does not like Tron? I could never buy into the whole fantasy world existing inside a computer. It is just circuits and wires to me.
I bet Jeff Bridges respects his DP
by HarryBlackPotter
Feb 4th, 2009
11:05:16 AM
Gotta be said
Bridges as Who
by Bloo
Feb 4th, 2009
11:08:39 AM
is brillant...if my hero Eric Roberts could be a Master then there is no reason why Bridges couldn't be the Doctor

I have a rule about any of the Bridges, they just make anything tey appear in better, kind of like Roger Ebert's Harry Dean Staton rule. So will two Jeff Bridges makes this doublely better

That's cool...
by TheMarineBiologist
Feb 4th, 2009
11:08:47 AM
...but where is the high quality teaser? It's been quite a few months since July... I don't think it's that much to ask, Disney.
You Either Die A Hero...
by V'Shael
Feb 4th, 2009
11:10:27 AM
...or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

This could be awesome.

Never really cared for Tron
by kalel6000
Feb 4th, 2009
11:28:32 AM
But this one might force me to rewatch and see if i can maybe like it a little, in order to then move onto the cooler lookin sequel. BTW that copy of the clip was fucking awful, i couldnt tell it was a younger Jeff Bridges??
It's
by tonagan
Feb 4th, 2009
11:39:23 AM
It's
by tonagan
Feb 4th, 2009
11:39:25 AM
... Monty Pythons Flying Circus
by tonagan
Feb 4th, 2009
11:40:22 AM
Sorry, I can't even remember what I was writing.
My eyes glazed over
by BenBraddock
Feb 4th, 2009
11:46:58 AM
within 10 seconds. Just like when I saw the original movie.
Now that is a big door.
by kwisatzhaderach
Feb 4th, 2009
11:47:10 AM
the original Tron wasn't even a good movie
by Rupee88
Feb 4th, 2009
12:06:08 PM
I don't get the nostalgia except from then 6 year olds who saw it and were taken with the pretty colorful flashing lights.
Those who hate the original film...
by Jeditemple
Feb 4th, 2009
12:13:36 PM
Just don't remember much, because they were being molested by their uncles in the theater. Yes, Rupee88. I'm talking about you.
Double Penetration...
by gringostar
Feb 4th, 2009
12:16:32 PM
You gotta respect the DP!
TrrrrrTwoNn
by SomaShine
Feb 4th, 2009
12:17:48 PM
Is that how you pronounce the title?
BLADE RUNNER was a "bomb", too...
by BurnHollywood
Feb 4th, 2009
12:20:36 PM
What matters is TRON was a huge milestone in CGI. So long as the plot's good enough to make a number of critics misty-eyed, it should do respectably.
TWON
by TheMarineBiologist
Feb 4th, 2009
12:26:04 PM
That's how you pronounce it.
Rupee88: You Are Right, But It Held Possibility...
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
12:31:56 PM
...for a great movie, or movies. The original Tron was missing certain important beats in its execution...ala a reason for the hero and the villain to hate each other, and at a really powerful emotional level...and strong love between the hero, and a female interest...instead, that was shown in a secondary relationship. The film also was missing humor. There were a few attempts at slap stick, but there wasn't anything the audience could really laugh at, or with???

Audience participation in the film going experience is essential, without it, you lose your audience in terms of their emotional investment, they walk-out of a film not caring about the proceedings, if they are made to feel like observers, and not direct...participants. You have to shake an audience, make them laugh, cry, thrill them, invest them romantically, sexually, and make them want to cheer for the hero, and look forward to seeing the villain do his evil deeds...and that is what Tron was missing. The film was missing joy...and a pulse...and save for the light cycles, the film moved incredibly slow...in terms of action. So perhaps this time around, that will change, and we will see a difference...perhaps the filmmakers will add those missing beats to make this film more accessible to audiences, and to better help them emotionally connect to the characters and the overall story, and its arcs by giving them a reason to care?? Anyway, let's hope so. To make people give a damn, there have to be consequences in the computer world, for our real life reality, to inform the audience that this isn't just a fight in a video game or the virtual world, it's your fight too.
The Dude...
by enoodle123
Feb 4th, 2009
12:34:11 PM
...abides. That is all.
Blade Runner Is Over Rated
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
12:43:46 PM
It's a boring, and slow movie...with very little story. I've heard that there was a secret about Harrison Ford's character that was not explored in the original, a twist that was to be exposed at the end of the film but was cut out of the film, the fact that he turns out to be a bio android. It would be nice to see a fast moving action packed sequel, where he is outed and must go on the run with his lover, also a bio android...as human hunters, including Edward James Olmost, pursue them.

Don't get me wrong, the look of Blade Runner was great...but the story was banal and didn't justify a movie. A sequel, as I outlined it, would justify a movie...as it would inform us about a bio android and their wanting to live and feeling descriminated against, from the inside of their perspective, and not as the villains this time, but as the misunderstood heroes, and that would be intriguing to see the story turned 180 degrees. This film should be the difference between Alien, and Aliens, in terms of action...Blade Runner 2 being the latter.
Must. See. This Now.
by Kampbell-Kid
Feb 4th, 2009
12:47:37 PM
...but I reserve judgement by grounding myself in reality due to it still being a Disney production. *cough* witch mountain
MCP vs. Skynet
by Squashua
Feb 4th, 2009
12:50:15 PM
You know this to be true.
It's more telling...
by Zardozap2005
Feb 4th, 2009
12:52:16 PM
About the quality of a movie, especially if they have to release all the different versions of it in a dvd box set just make people happy. Blade Runner was mediocre at best. Hell, how many different version are there of Highlander 2?
is there really no shittier version
by frankenfickle
Feb 4th, 2009
01:01:26 PM
of that video available? none shittier than that? because i can make out moving forms still in that one.

by onaps6453
Feb 4th, 2009
01:03:37 PM
Blade Runner
by onaps6453
Feb 4th, 2009
01:04:21 PM
I will seriously schedule a boxing match with anyone that says Blade Runner is "mediocre". And i will pummel them.
Who you calling program, program?
by Jodet
Feb 4th, 2009
01:06:47 PM
Blade Runner aspires to mediocrity
by Jodet
Feb 4th, 2009
01:07:49 PM
And fails to achieve it. Seriously. It looks good, but there are so many structural problems with that movie. It bombed at the box office for a reason.
"A plaster cast has been created of Bridges."
by Mistahtibbs
Feb 4th, 2009
01:12:30 PM

So, his dick will play a featured role in this....?

Wha?

Not THAT kind of plaster cast?

never mind.

MT

it's on
by frankenfickle
Feb 4th, 2009
01:18:07 PM
jodet: "hey! who just kicked me in my tiny balls?" me: "me."
SPOILER There is a giant psionic squid in the climax
by Groothewarrior
Feb 4th, 2009
01:22:09 PM
all the Tron peoples will unite against the world threatening crisis
Jodet
by onaps6453
Feb 4th, 2009
01:25:26 PM
"Blade Runner aspires to mediocrity" And you aspire to have shitty uninformed opinions...at least you live up to yours.
Sounds Like A Kick Ass Reinvention To Me
by MattHooper
Feb 4th, 2009
01:35:15 PM
All my best to the cast and crew of TR2N !
My dick gets hard everytime I see that teaser
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Feb 4th, 2009
01:36:47 PM
now THIS is a movie I can get behind and be excited about!
Tron 1 in context
by Crisp_One
Feb 4th, 2009
01:45:38 PM
I think that most of the Tron haters aren't seeing the movie in its context. It was 1982, everyone knew about computers, but since very few people had one in their homes, they were pretty mysterious to most people. The idea of "thinking machines" was pretty mind blowing to lots of people, scary to others (hence movies like Terminator and War Games). At that time, no movie had addressed the mystique of computer technology, so the idea that maybe programs were like little people running around in a digital world was pretty cool. Also, in 1982 nothing like this had ever been done with CGI, and it had a really different look to it. When I saw Tron, I was 11, and it blew my mind. I wanted to go live in that world, or at least have a cool, glow-y game warrior costume. Oh and Blade Runner is an absolute. It is objectively, intrinsically awesome. Your believing it to be not awesome does not alter its awesomeness. So there.
Bring back the Tron arcade game!
by m.dung
Feb 4th, 2009
01:45:53 PM
I probably could've paid for my kids college tuition with the $ I pumped into that thing in the early 80's
LOL.. people who shit on Blade Runner:
by LargoJr
Feb 4th, 2009
01:46:23 PM
The movie wasn't about action and wasn't written for short attention spans. It tried to suggest that a being could move beyond the sum of their experience and transcend the nature of their birth. But I suspect you didn't pay enough attention to catch it. I'd suggest you read a book occasionally, but you're obviously MUCH too busy masturbating to the latest Brittney Spears vid. As for the original Tron... the story tried to indicate that, in an emotionless landscape of logic and response, that the programs were each evolving and taking on aspects of their creators. Hence the attraction between Boxleitner's 'Tron' & Cindy Morgan's 'Yori'. Non-emotional beings coming to terms with inexplicable changes to the basic nature of their existence. Now you can go back to your 'Fast & Furious' collection and masturbate to your hearts content.
"Not anymore."
by Mr. Lahey
Feb 4th, 2009
01:51:20 PM
That teaser gets me every time. Is the music from Mass Effect? I hope they manage to pull it off. I watched the original recently and it holds up quite nice. Having a proper sequel ala Aliens would be just dandy. Bladerunner is indeed a classic, but anyone's opinion of it is no more correct than yours. Mine included. I know this because I happen to be somewhere where someone that was there that day and for the Bladerunner shoot is.
We Need Beau Bridges in this Also!
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 4th, 2009
01:59:02 PM
Surely he can do better than being in Stargate and Desperate Housewives
Gives me chills.
by thedarklinglord
Feb 4th, 2009
02:00:35 PM
There's just something about that teaser that gives me that little electric shiver racing up my spine like a mini geekgasm. Originally, the idea of a Tron sequel - especially after all these years - sounded like the most retarded concept ever, an idea that was at least 25 years too late to be relevant, but that teaser, the look, the vibe, totally hooks me. I can't wait to see more.
1982 TRON is B-Movie Goodness!
by Thot
Feb 4th, 2009
02:08:21 PM
Tron was very creative and forward-looking for it's time. Not a great film, but a fun one nonetheless. This new one is shaping up to be something interesting. Sounds like they're serious about honoring the original while updating it. Jeff Bridges is the MAN! Can't wait to see it!
"YOU'RE A NICE GUY! YOU'RE A NICE GUY!....."
by Riley Martin
Feb 4th, 2009
02:20:34 PM
"....BUT YOU GOTTA FUCKING MAKE ME LOOK YOUNGER YOU PRICK!"
We're done professionally.....
by Pissed Off And Bitter
Feb 4th, 2009
02:32:40 PM
Someone had to say it
They should digitize a LOST talkback and get it up
by Itchy
Feb 4th, 2009
02:33:59 PM
over at Coax so people will stop bitching about there not being one. And I for one am looking forward to this flick ... I loved the original Tron. They should definately cast Scarlett Johannson in it, and then digitize her tits, since it's the only way she's going to let us see those things (a la Winona Ryder in A Scanner Darkly)
To the guy that doesn't buy into Tron...
by yodaismyhomie
Feb 4th, 2009
02:52:11 PM
...because you don't believe this fantasy world could exist inside the computer because it is all circuits and stuff. Please tell me you don't like Narnia then either...I mean I suppose that a fantasy world couldn't exist in a wardrobe. And I guess Lost too...because this "fantasy" island that can be moved could not possibly exist either. Oh...and I suppose Star Wars sucks too because this fantasy galaxy could not have existed a LONG time ago... I'm excited about seeing where this new Tron film will go. I loved the original as a kid but can barely stand watching those bad graphics now...I am ready for it!
Ware the fuck iz tha Lost stuff?
by Sithdan
Feb 4th, 2009
02:54:11 PM
iz 2nites epysode gonna bee goode?
Tonight on Lost: Rape, Rape, and More Rape
by tonagan
Feb 4th, 2009
03:20:44 PM
Actually, I have no idea.
Jodet, you fucking monkey!
by Motoko Kusanagi
Feb 4th, 2009
03:24:13 PM
BLADE RUNNER, a movie masterpiece, did not bomb at the BO because it's a mediocre movie. It bombed because it was too dark and intelligent for a dumb summer audience that loved a crappy borefest called E.T.

In that very same summer, THE THING bombed, too. And don't you dare to call that one mediocre, too. I dare you! I double dare you, mofo! Say mediocre one more goddamn time!

Looks Sweet!! JJ couldn't do this for Shatner??
by picardsucks
Feb 4th, 2009
03:43:16 PM
Fucking Bullshit!!!! You mean ILM couldn't do this to put shatner in the new AbercrobieTrek90210??? Can't wait for Tron2
Motoko Kusanagi
by erichaislar
Feb 4th, 2009
03:43:25 PM
Please do not bash on ET. What did the little guy ever do to you. It's one of my fav films of all time. So is Blade Runner. ET makes me cry every time I watch it. Film is about perfect to me.
I'm With Groothewarrior...
by ericinwisconsin
Feb 4th, 2009
03:43:54 PM
...bring on the fucking squid! Then we'll talk classic-ness
Tron disc fights
by STLost
Feb 4th, 2009
03:55:22 PM
Back when tron came out, My friends and I would get our frisbees and play "Tron" in the front yard. You'd throw the frisbee and try to hit someone, they could deflect with their frisbee. It was sweet!
Blade Runner bombed
by skimn
Feb 4th, 2009
04:01:18 PM
because it was Harrison Ford's follow up to Empire and Raiders, and Blade Runner was not the rollicking action flick audiences came to expect. Stoopid monkeys.
skimn
by yodaismyhomie
Feb 4th, 2009
04:05:44 PM
I would guess that was a part of the reason. But honestly there were many: 1. The lack of action for those who were expecting Ford to be typecast 2. The requirement of people to have to think a little 3. The not so good theatrical cut...I mean I think EVERYONE prefers one of the alternative cuts to the theatrical cut...or am I alone here? 4. It's just not a summer popcorn film...face it...there are few non-popcorn films that do really well in the box office, but they often develop a HUGE following on video/tv
duh
by Candy ass monkey suit
Feb 4th, 2009
04:06:05 PM
I don't get this film at all..i mean when tron came out it was quite revoloutionary..even john lasseter was inspired to form pixar from it but i just can't see they can deliver something as special and innovative again. It will jsut look like any other special fx movie !! the story was never anything special..it was always the look of the film rather than the story that was special..i dunno why the geeks at comic con were cheering this..the mind boggles!
Why Blade Runner bombed...
by ScottinDC
Feb 4th, 2009
04:20:08 PM
Skimm...you are correct; but there is a really a very obvious reason it bombed: it was R rated. Harrison Ford (and sci fi in general) were not very accessible commodities in terms of available marketshare (those with an R rating). So, Ford was put into a good but R rated film which played against type and market; he was a "PG" commodity...an 'everyman' that was reasonably 'family friendly' (as far as action and sci fi performances); so ultimately the rating stifled the available audience.
1982
by ufoclub1977
Feb 4th, 2009
04:38:26 PM
1982...Blade Runner was a stylish but empty, obscure, and PRETENTIOUS movie for most people, and Tron just didn't have any emotional flow, accessible action, or coherence (for the masses)... But both were cool visually. Blade Runner really picked up its legendary status in the late 80's as far as I can tell. But I know a lot of people thought it was cheesy with its smokey glamor and poetic cryptic elements, cheesy like a techni nightclub or a goth person. That was a GREAT genre summer, Star Trek II, ET, Poltergeist, Blade Runner, The Thing, Tron... what am I missing? I personally like both Blade Runner and Tron, but I remember my numb first viewings, and understand why they did not do that well. People weren't going to get excited by high concept scifi that was almost abstract in its presentation of the storyline. "Alien" kind of shows that a rated "R" scifi movie could hit big if people could connect with the concept and story.
Canada scans actors
by Adelai Niska
Feb 4th, 2009
04:58:59 PM
It's true, we all take turns.
Very cool.
by JDanielP
Feb 4th, 2009
05:07:17 PM
Looking forward to this flick.
You're a nice guy?
by DennisMM
Feb 4th, 2009
05:13:59 PM
Is that actually what the blue warrior is saying? Lord, how lame.
The dude abides...
by JumpinJehosaphat
Feb 4th, 2009
05:37:03 PM
...in your computer.
Gave me goosebumps. I fucking can't wait.
by dr sauch
Feb 4th, 2009
05:47:05 PM
Bridges is such a bad-ass.
guys this isn't Tron it's just the Window's 95 3D maze
by Kloipy
Feb 4th, 2009
05:49:48 PM
nothing to see here
"You're a nice guy"...
by LargoJr
Feb 4th, 2009
05:57:04 PM
Its an out of context quote from the show Lost...
Blade Runner Was Not Intelligent...
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
06:13:35 PM
...it just wasn't stupid, that's all. The film had no real perspective. It was overlong and boring...and went no where. As far as the story goes, it could have been any trivial cop drama, anywhere...but in this case, it was just placed in the future, end of story. Any super intellectual subtext that others have added in their own minds to justify that vacuous movie, is just that. It was nice looking, and well acted...but empty.
I love this trailer! When the hell are we gonna get it in HQ????
by Orionsangels
Feb 4th, 2009
06:15:11 PM
To the misguided Blade Runner detractors...
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
07:04:06 PM
Current recognitions for Blade Runner include:

In 2007, the American Film Institute listed it as the 97th greatest film of all time.

In 2008, Blade Runner was voted the sixth best science fiction film ever made as part of the AFI's 10 Top 10.

Blade Runner is currently ranked the third best film of all time by The Screen Directory.

One of Time's 100 All-Time best movies.

Los Angeles Film Critics Association Award for Best Cinematography, 1982

Three BAFTA film awards (best cinematography, costume design, art design), 1983

Hugo Award- Best Dramatic Presentaion, 1983

It has been nominated for the following awards: Two Academy Award nominations(1983)

Best Art Direction-Set Decoration and Best Visual Effects

Golden Globe nomination for best original score

Five other BAFTA nominations

People that hate the original Tron...
by MisterE
Feb 4th, 2009
07:05:44 PM
People that hate the original "Tron" didn't first see it while tripping on massive amounts of acid while the movie played on a broken VCR that played the movie at twice-normal speed with audio.
Tron is overrated!
by Leafar the Lost
Feb 4th, 2009
07:06:47 PM
Everyone go rent Tron, somewhere, and see it for what it truly is: an average sci/fi at best. Bladerunner, however, truly is a masterpiece, and one of the best sci/fi movies ever made. I hope that Tron II, or TR2N (how stupid) does something completely different than the original. If it gets some good reviews, I will see it. Jeff Bridges is a nice guy, but we are done professionally.
Bring back AMAD!!!!!!!!!!
by SoylentMean
Feb 4th, 2009
07:07:35 PM
Holy shit this site has been posting some non-news as of late. Jeez!
Blade Runner failed at the box office, but...
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
07:15:55 PM
This IMO was due to it's film noir sensibilities, which most audiences were not expecting from a Harrison Ford sci-fi movie. It's slow, methodical pacing (a.k.a. "boring", and "overlong" on this TB) was intentional and part of the film noir conventions.

There is a reason this film has a large following, and this did not develop long after the film's release. From the post of awards above, you will note that the movie was appreciated in 1982/1983.

The film was, frankly, ahead of its time, and its vision, prescience and groundbreaking effects and futurism still hold up today, and are still appreciated by many.

And the line about the intellectual subtexts being imagined by its audience- hogwash. The screenplay was adapted from a short story by Phillip K. Dick, who is no intellectual slouch. The subtexts are quite obvious for educated and observant, not the least of which are the themes of man's struggle with his own mortality, and the exploration of what it means to be human. It's all right there on the screen, my friends.

So please tell us some more about your delusions regarding this film being boring, simple-minded, etc. The minority opinion deserves to be heard, no matter how uniformed.

And also, go fuck yourselves.

Just kidding.

Blade Runner Was Safe Science Fiction For Critics
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
07:45:37 PM
So many of you have bought into this hype. Blade Runner is missing a soul, a heart, and a mind. It is just a safe non offensive speculative fiction for pseudo intellectuals.
BTW, everyone in Canada gets scanned and digitized.
by Flim Springfield
Feb 4th, 2009
07:50:25 PM
It's in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Media Messiah gotta hate cause you gotta be different?
by MurderMostFowl
Feb 4th, 2009
07:52:07 PM
Anyone who says that Blade Runner is missing a soul didn't pay attention very much during the movie.

( though I still maintain the original cut with narration is the superior and always will be )
OK, Messiah....
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
07:56:43 PM
PKD is a pseudo-intellectual? Have you read anything by the man?

And please, enlighten us with your opinion: what are your favorite films in the sci-fi genere- you know, the soulful, offensive ones preferred by true intellectuals like?

Apparently AFI is full of pseudo-intellects by the way, as out of the thousands and thousands of films (in any genere) they chose to put Blade Runner in the top 100. Guess they bought the hype too.

Please, go back and watch The Last Starfighter or Cloverfield again, and spare us your ill-conceived, erroneous, non-intellectual rantings about a film that you are obviously to ADHD-afflicted to appreciate.

Agree with you Fowl...
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
08:00:23 PM
Many folks, including Sir Ridley and Ford, rag about the voice-over. But, again, first person narration by the protagonist is part of the noir conventions. I only dislike the narration over the final scenes, which seems like a recap for confused viewers.
Like MediaMess
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
08:01:43 PM
True Intellectual Science Fiction, And Speculative Science
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
08:05:31 PM
The original Twilight Zone is brlliant...and Blade Runner doesn't come close. Twilight Zone had something to say about the human, and even perhaps, other than human, experience. It was about all facets of life and existence. It covered war, racism, and social religious, and sexual politics of all kinds, and it did it from an enlightened perspective. Blade Runner just showed us some non human badies who were butchered by a hunter, and probably deserved it. From there, the status quo was kept, and nothing learned...just that in life, there is brutality. Well, we already know that. So point of lesson, obvious to everyone, before lesson even started.

Another great science fiction/speculative fiction piece, is Silent Running. Again, better than Blade Runner. That film is about self sacrifice and even murder, in the name of a greater goal, this planet's last remainng legacy. While saying something great, and predicting many of the things that we are now going through with the collapse of our eco system, Silent Running, works as a cautionary tale that begs us to preserve our planet...where as Blade Runner says, "Hey, status quo".
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
08:10:35 PM
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die"

That has to be one of the most amazing movie moments ever committed to celluloid.

SkinJob69: I Didn't Chop The Ending
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
08:10:51 PM
Don't blame me that Harrison Ford's character wasn't shown as being a bio android, blame the filmmakers for chopping that out and making the story largely irrelevant thanks to that part of the story being edited out. That isn't my fault, and I am not assailing the author, but the studio messed up by knocking out that detail, which would have completely change our look at the film, the story, and its characters.
PS: I Have No Interest In Cloverfield...
by Media Messiah
Feb 4th, 2009
08:14:12 PM
...although The Last Starfighter was well executed cute fun..and there is a place for that, for the family audience. Cloverfield just seems like a meanspirted (in tone) gimmick to me.
Messiah, those are good choices...
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
08:18:45 PM
but you are ignoring the fact that all the themes you mention are present and accounted for in Blade Runner as well. They just don't hit you over the head with a sledge hammer.

Blade Runner has quite a bit more to say than "Bad guys die at hands of cop." I've never heard the movie reduced to such a simplistic idea, even by its harshest critics.

Consider Dekard's character arc, he sees replicants as soul-less machines at the outset. They are basically slaves (and you can take that for the subtext it implies). What he hasn't appreciated (but is starting to) is that HE is the soul-less one, despite his being a human. Through his interaction with Rachael and the other replicants he sees that they have humanity as well...

"I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die."

That, Messiah, is a real character arc, layered, complex and subtle in its progress. If you can't appreciate that, I can't make it any clearer.

BTW: No ending with deckard as a replicant was shot...
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
08:24:52 PM
Ridley only came out with that after the film's release. He never discussed that prior to the first director's cut, and Ford was never told about this during the shoot.

The unicorn scene that appeared in the director's cut was meant to suggest that Deckard was a rep (it's a dream Deckard has, implanted like Rachael's childhood memories). Gaff leaves an origami unicorn outside Deckards apartment. The significance: he presumably was privy to Deckard's memories as part of his job, and he wanted to convey to Deckard his true identity. Also, he believes both Deckard and Rachael have incep dates approaching, therefore, why not let them go?

Still think the movie is shallow?

From the Wiki entry on Blade Runner...familiar themes?
by SkinJob69
Feb 4th, 2009
08:28:15 PM
It is a literate science fiction film, thematically enfolding the philosophy of religion and moral implications of human mastery of genetic engineering in the context of classical Greek drama and hubris,[46] and draws on Biblical images, such as Noah's flood,[47] and literary sources, such as Frankenstein.[48] Linguistically, the theme of mortality is subtly reiterated in the chess game between Roy and Tyrell based on the famous Immortal game of 1851,[49] though Scott has said that was coincidental.[50]

Dr Tyrell polarizing his office window to control the Sun implies the god-like powers of the Tyrell Corporation.Blade Runner delves into the implications of technology on the environment and society by reaching to the past, using literature, religious symbolism, classical dramatic themes, and film noir. This tension, among past, present, and future is seen in the retrofitted future of Blade Runner, which is high-tech and gleaming in places but elsewhere decayed and old. Interviewing Ridley Scott in 2002, reporter Lynn Barber in The Observer described the film as: "extremely dark, both literally and metaphorically, with an oddly masochistic feel". Director Scott said he "liked the idea of exploring pain" in the wake of his brother's skin cancer death. "When he was ill, I used to go and visit him in London, and that was really traumatic for me."[8]

A perceptively high level of paranoia exists in the cinematic manifestation of corporate power, omnipresent police, probing lights, and in the power over the individual – especially represented by genetic programming of replicants. Control over the environment is large scale, hand in hand with the absence of any natural life, and with artificial animals substituting for the extinct originals. This oppressive backdrop clarifies why people are migrating to off-world colonies.[51] The film also makes extensive use of eyes for a variety of themes and manipulated images to call into question reality and our ability to accurately perceive and remember it.[52][53][54]

These thematic elements provide an atmosphere of uncertainty for Blade Runner's central theme of examining humanity. In order to discover replicants, an empathy test is used with a number of questions focused on the treatment of animals, thus making it the essential indicator of someone's "humanity". The replicants are juxtaposed with human characters who lack empathy, while the replicants appear to show compassion and concern for one another at the same time as the mass of humanity on the streets is cold and impersonal.

I'm looking forward to it but...
by Mr.Krinkle
Feb 4th, 2009
08:29:09 PM
can they please spell it Tron 2 and not TR2N. The latter sucks balls.
Why did the term "De-Rez"..
by harrys_site_sucks
Feb 4th, 2009
09:26:11 PM
why did the term "De-Rez" never catch on? I still use it after all these years
Tron 2 could be the next Star wars
by Quake II
Feb 4th, 2009
09:34:55 PM
Lucas dropped the ball (mostly) on the Star Wars prequels. It's time for a new fantasy series to pick it up and run with it. I personally don't like sword fighting epics, so Tron could be the next cool "thing". My 7 year old watches it on his PSP all the time and really likes it. He doesn't like the Star Wars prequels but loves Star Wars ep IV.....Go figure. I think it's a good time for Tron 2. It's like The Matrix for a younger generation. Just give me one of those updated Light Cycle toys to display!
Tron's Story Wasn't All That Great
by Aquatarkusman
Feb 4th, 2009
09:55:29 PM
But the things they did with digital effects and computerization (given that most of us were on a TI-994A at the time, if we were lucky) was truly groundbreaking. It's still a one-of-a-kind visual experience, 25+ years later.
Thought you said PR0N
by StarBlitzer
Feb 4th, 2009
10:03:36 PM
I've had a few beers, but I'm cool to drive.
2 Tron 2 Furious
by dr sauch
Feb 4th, 2009
10:06:15 PM
FUCK?
StarBlitzer, I admire your contempt for serious posting
by dr sauch
Feb 4th, 2009
10:17:24 PM
And I'd like to form an unholy alliance with you.
i'm sold
by frank cotton
Feb 4th, 2009
11:15:11 PM
even blurred, that short clip was better than most of the supposed sci-fi released in the last five years. as for M M and the rest of the TRON/BLADERUNNER detractors - just poke your eyes out; they're of no use to you
I'm suprised no one has made a porn spoof called PRON
by Hazman
Feb 4th, 2009
11:25:56 PM
naked big tittied neon chicks fucking. What could be better?
Jeff Bridges in full-on 'Dude' mode...
by BiggusDickus
Feb 4th, 2009
11:29:16 PM
Think what this movie would be like if Jeff played it as The Dude this time around...

'Careful man, there's a lightcycle here!'

People are now ragging on Blade Runner?
by tolomey
Feb 4th, 2009
11:35:39 PM
In the last 12 months on this site I've seen people dissing The Godfather Parts 1 & 2, Casablanca, Alien, Star Wars (Ep IV), The Thing and now Blade Runner! What the fuck is going on here folks?
THAT WAS RAW!!!!
by avenger147
Feb 4th, 2009
11:36:45 PM
Looked great, I just hope it doesnt suffer from Godzilla/Ecks vs. Sever (or whatever it was called) syndrome AKA "great trailer/teaser, ass movie"
The Program abides...?
by conspiracy
Feb 5th, 2009
01:16:04 AM
Now I can't get it out of my head that the energy they drank out of the energy stream tastes like a White Russian.
TRON IN 70mm---IT WAS AWESOME
by LT Weezie
Feb 5th, 2009
01:51:05 AM
Didn't know what to think about TRON when it first came out...then had the opportunity to see it on a giant screen in 70mm--(back when it first came out)...that changed everything! Loved it! Love the music! Can't wait for the new one! Looks pretty cool on 1080p HD big screen at home too!
MAYNARD NEEDS TO BE IN THIS MOVIE
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2009
04:25:57 AM
Get the Tron guy!
and with this post
by Genre_Baby
Feb 5th, 2009
06:53:09 AM
the site certainly lives up to the "Cool news" element. For something like TR2N, I don't object to motion casting. Somehow, it seems perfect. And I hope they show just how this was done on the dvd. But hey, 2 Jeff Bridges in one movie? That's enough for me. :)
Blade Runner
by TheManBehindTheMask
Feb 5th, 2009
07:29:20 AM
While I agree there is no amazing sophisticated plot development in this movie, I must say that Blade Runner always works for me each time I watch it because of its blues. It makes you wonder "Am I really the one I think I am?". Watching BR is like listening to Miles Davis.
Silent Running would have been better
by Tin Snoman
Feb 5th, 2009
07:38:21 AM
if Joan Baez hadn't stabbed it to death with her voice.
The allusions to US/Russia relations in the original
by skimn
Feb 5th, 2009
09:09:41 AM
will be hard to duplicate in this day and age. A big part of Tron is the idea of man as god, and the overthrow of the MCP regime. Pretty graphics and action won't be enough to carry a sequel.
How come they never released that footage?
by Timelord-2112
Feb 5th, 2009
09:13:02 AM
Disney knows the crappy video is out there, why not release a good copy of the test footage and why is no one asking for it?
that's A Bridge(s) too Far...
by just pillow talk
Feb 5th, 2009
09:13:58 AM
i think you had to be a certain type of nerd to love the 1st Tro
by Timelord-2112
Feb 5th, 2009
09:23:03 AM
Sad to say but it is possible Tr2n could bomb, it depends on how they handle it of course. I think the people doing the new movie know what they are doing if the test footage is any indication. What people aren’t getting is that the original Tron was not an oscar worthy film to be sure, but it was groundbreaking in so many ways. This was an era before everyone had a portable computer attached to their butts. I was one of the few kids I knew that actually owned a computer at the time so the movie did wonders for my imagination. Add to that two very good Tron arcade games and you had a huge impact on my life in the 80’s. Not everyone understands it wasn’t all about the acting quality of the movie.
Apart from making him younger...
by cowbellfever
Feb 5th, 2009
09:49:39 AM
Is there any chance those pesky Canadians can make Bridges speak a bit clearer? Dude often sounds like he's swallowed a used condom...
I love that trailer
by Cletus Van Damme
Feb 5th, 2009
10:20:03 AM
...and I think I ruined your roommate's bathrooooobe.
Hmm...
by Cobbio
Feb 5th, 2009
01:38:38 PM
I liked the orginal "Tron," but found myself yawning and clicking off that video after about fifteen seconds.

Hopefully the final render will be better.

BLADE RUNNER as Miles Davis...
by BurnHollywood
Feb 5th, 2009
02:23:19 PM
Nicely put,TheManBehindTheMask.

I sense there are individuals here that would prefer the "Theme From CHiPs", however...sheesh.

So Looker and Simone are already here?
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2009
03:10:29 PM
TRON 2 : JET SET WILLY RISES AGAIN!
by Gorgomel
Feb 5th, 2009
03:23:42 PM
the test footage looks like shit because...
by Gorgomel
Feb 5th, 2009
03:26:52 PM
all the CGI has been rendered on an old Amstrad CPC in order to keep continuity with the first movie.
TRON 2 : FOREVER always bet on the dude!
by Gorgomel
Feb 5th, 2009
03:29:03 PM
Tron's time came and went
by Teddy Artery
Feb 5th, 2009
03:58:14 PM
Kids are just too sophisticated to imagine that little humans can exist within a computer nowadays.
FUCK TRON ,GET HARD FOR AVATAR!!!
by standundermyumbrella
Feb 5th, 2009
04:06:05 PM
Yeah, I went to the set,” said Steven Soderbergh, when Total Film quizzed him recently. “I can tell you that shit was mindblowing. The shit I saw was crazy. Like, craaaazy.I I think it’s gonna be gigantic. It’s gonna be another one of those benchmarks. There’s gonna be Before that movie and After.” WHAT YA SAY ABOUT THAT MOTHERFUCKERS
I'll take Soderbergh's word for it...
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2009
05:56:23 PM
He is the man. Trying to control my excitement for Avatar since it's so far away. But DAMN it sounds awesome.
WhinyNegativeBitch: On Blade Runner & Twilight Zone
by Media Messiah
Feb 5th, 2009
07:09:21 PM
My 3 favorite films are Lawrence of Arabia, Citizen Kane and North By North West...so you can't call me an idot based on me pointing out that Dark Knight is a weak film that got a pass because Heath Ledger (a nice guy) died...and that Blade Runner is a boring film without a point...and or, point of view.

As for The (original) Twilight Zone, forget the whole series, I can put up any one episode of the Twilight Zone, against Blade Runner and it will still be a better work on a intellectual level. "To Serve Man" for instance, that episode communicated so much in such a short time, with no real budget, no top stars, just a brilliant and sophisticated plot, smart direction..., wonderful acting, and a twist ending that scares the hell out of you. Blade Runner however, had the smart director, it had the wonderful acting...it had stars, it was just missing a meaty plot, and dialogue with a soul. In all its griminess, it was emotionally sterile. Even George Lucas' intentionally sterile THX-1138 had more of a soul, and more real, and emoted emotion, and that is my point. Blade Runner was just a cold procedural cop movie...that just happened to be set in the future...and that is something that critics can easily accept...rather than something with a more broad tapestry, one which dares to challenge central ideas of our paradigm, like saying, at a time when it was not considered okay, a movie that shouted out clearly that corporate greed is killing our planet, this, the message of Silent Running. Now that was bold. Harrison Ford killing a bunch of run away slaves...who happened to be thrill killing murderers, not so bold.
To Serve Man
by Media Messiah
Feb 5th, 2009
07:54:27 PM
Cut and paste the address below... and place it into your internet navigator to go to the link...but prior, make sure you remove any spaces that may appear in the address as it will give you an error warning on your navigator, as well as a corrupted address field.

http://www.cbs.com/cla ssics/the_twilight_zone/video/ video.php?cid=649562032&pid=Eh JkGeNGuUqJfc9CCfD81h6TpxCIglq1
dr sauch
by StarBlitzer
Feb 5th, 2009
08:34:49 PM
TBers' eyeballs are as good as fucked ^_^
just because
by frank cotton
Feb 5th, 2009
09:36:10 PM
someone names a few classic films as their favorites doesn't mean they can't still be an idiot (or should i say IDOT, and rest my case). it could mean they're just old.
Media Messiah
by quantize
Feb 6th, 2009
04:28:34 AM
brilliant self serving drivel... nobody cares.
Quantize: You Care Or You Wouldn't Have Commented
by Media Messiah
Feb 6th, 2009
11:44:47 AM
Qauntize that, and put some EQ on it.
Media Messiah
by Orcus
Feb 6th, 2009
01:09:55 PM
Orcus thinks you missed the entire point of Blade Runner which was "what does it mean to be human", which was just put within the framework if a Future-Noir cop movie. The main point the movie was trying to bring about was how were replicants with false memories more capable of emotion than a human. The movie was not about corporate greed although it was in the background. They recently released the uber dvd set with several cuts of the film, you may wish to make it a netflix night and check out the directors commentaries. And yes the old TZ eps were amazing in their economy of storytelling. Or course the exposition intros do help :)
Orcus: That Is The Problem With The Film
by Media Messiah
Feb 6th, 2009
09:31:50 PM
For us to really explore the question of what is it like to be human, you need the revelation of Harrison Ford's character realizing that he is a replicant. If I had written it...I would have had Rutger Hauer's character, and the other replicants, find-out Deckard's (Ford's) secret as he learns that secret...and now, it isn't only about him trying to kill the villains for his job anymore, now, he has to kill them before they have a chance to expose his secret, as revenge. From there, we would have had the opportunity to look through his eyes...as he deals with the aftermath of the revelation that he is one of the people who he has been killing for money, for years, and not giving a damn. We should have seen him questioning his existence and whether he has a soul, or is he just a machine that will whither and stop working, having no other purpose? Does he know what it is to live...did he ever really know...or is it all just an artifact of computer programming??? This would also give him the empathy for his lover that he didn't have. Before she was a tool, a sex toy, whom he really showed no empathy for, at least, not as much as he might show a human female. Deckard, learning that he is in her shoes...would have an altered way of thinking and his perceptions, about what is right, and what is wrong, and is it okay to treat these machines as slaves, and are they really alive...and should they seek freedom...and does anyone have the right to kill them? Were the replicants he was tracking, and killing, right to kill, and flee???

Now, that would be a story worthy to tell, the one we got is just a overlong set-up, a concept in search of a 2nd and 3rd act. I say...cut down much of what we saw, the slow build-up that often told us nothing, and add what we needed to see, as I have outlined.

To better understand these questions about what it is to be human, you have to allow the audience to live vicariously through your hero, as they sympathize with what he is going through, then such questions start to impact the audience on a personal level, begging them to ask, "What is it to be human?" and "What if you were in his shoes?" Without that bridge in the story, you are just on the outside looking in, and you can't really care about the fears of the replicants, as you were never forced, or asked, to relate to them or their plight by the filmmakers. And that is the problem with Blade Runner.
MM
by Orcus
Feb 9th, 2009
11:44:05 AM
While that is a damn good premise that you have, part of the movie was figuring out if Deckard ws human, depending on which cut was viewed you either had it as ambiguous or definite. Case and point all the replicants had that weird red eye glow in certain scenes which Deckard shared, that and the fact that the total tally of replicants that escaped was never fully reconciled, leaving the audience to wonder if Deckard was the final replicant.

Now in the Final cut, Ridly Scott actually went on the record that Deckard was the final Replicant. In addition this was the point of putting in the Unicorn Dream Sequence Which tied it to Gaff's Oragami of a Unicorn, and his final line, which told the Audience that he knew Deckards Secret.

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