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Us Magazine Reviews Monday’s First HEROES OF 2009!!

Yep, that confirms it... by TheMarineBiologist	Jan 29th, 2009 12:14:36 AM
This show officially sucks. If you stop posting the TB's again, Herc, we'll understand.
Gonna gstick with it. by Virtual Satyr	Jan 29th, 2009 12:14:57 AM
And see if Fuller can reel it back in.
"Heroes glory days" by MattmanReturns	Jan 29th, 2009 12:15:11 AM
Yeah... the first season. That was it.
Sigh by Mortegro	Jan 29th, 2009 12:20:47 AM
It's almost painful to watch. If we had not had the first season.. it would not be so painful now. Better to have loved and lost my ass.
"glory days" by Coenbro	Jan 29th, 2009 12:21:18 AM
The first half of the first season and only scenes involving Hiro and the cheerleader. This show has always stunk to high heaven. On top of that, this new story arc looks like a joke. Literally. I laughed when I saw the promo.
Gsticking with it too. by gotilk	Jan 29th, 2009 12:21:42 AM
It's fun. But hopeFULLER it will improve soon.
I'm done. by TheMarineBiologist	Jan 29th, 2009 12:28:34 AM
I gsticked through the first half of season 3 and was rewarded with out of character moves and castrated character development. I gave it a shot... but now LOST is back. I'd rather rewatch the previous week's LOST episode that watch this drivel.
So is gsticking a word now? by T-RACE	Jan 29th, 2009 12:29:46 AM
Cause I guess I'm doing it too.
Gsticking? by L.H.Puttgrass	Jan 29th, 2009 12:45:09 AM
Sounds like the sexual equivalent of basketball's "nothing but net...". And thus, another AICN buzz-word is born.
I Plan On Gsticking With It. by rikazodrac	Jan 29th, 2009 12:53:29 AM
I Just Wanna See Where It Goes!
Sylar is still the villain?? by Boomers_Lips	Jan 29th, 2009 01:42:05 AM
oh geez, this is why I barely watch this once-okay show. how bout a new Big Bad y'all!!
BSG's Mark Verheiden wrote the Feb. 9th episode!!! by Boomers_Lips	Jan 29th, 2009 01:45:21 AM
I hope it's half as good as BSG.
is this the US mag. that has MTV... by Boomers_Lips	Jan 29th, 2009 01:55:20 AM
people on it's covers week after week? You know who I'm talking about: Heidi & Spencer, Lauren "LC", Audrina, the Angelina vs. Jennifer covers, etc. they don't seem very reliable to me.
This show is still on? by Xiphos_2	Jan 29th, 2009 01:58:18 AM
Sweet! Bring on the train wreck!
hold on they've dumbed DOWN the plots? by Xiphos_2	Jan 29th, 2009 02:02:29 AM
Is that possible? When were they intricate and compelling before? Was there a season I missed?
I'm a huge heroes fan... by OfficerJunior	Jan 29th, 2009 02:38:19 AM
...but shit, it's getting really tough to defend. I blame Tim Kring for the sharp decline in quality. partly because it's pretty fashionable right now, but mostly because it's accurate.
This shit show still gets a talkback but no CHUCK??? by Razorback	Jan 29th, 2009 02:54:50 AM
Are you fuckin' AICN guys on crack? Chuck has better ratings and is five times the show that Heroes is. So why no talkback?
How can you possibly dumb it DOWN any further? by V'Shael	Jan 29th, 2009 03:03:11 AM
Do a cross-over with American Idol? Or American gladiators? Stick a fork in their asses. They're done.
Heroes = Cabbages With Superpowers by Kubla_Khan	Jan 29th, 2009 03:43:37 AM
The characters are so stupid, so inconsistent, and the plots so thoroughly beserk and awful that really I cannot imagine how you can dumb it down. Unless new stars are brought in and they're 5-yr-olds, and they're written for by 10-yr-olds.
If a rag that's suitable only for by The McPoyle Clan	Jan 29th, 2009 04:47:36 AM
bird cage lining says it's dumb, it must be a new low. And I don't think that anything between the Petrelli Bros. remotely approaches "dynamic."
deleted past epsiodes by Mr_X	Jan 29th, 2009 05:18:40 AM
my media player was getting filled up, and looking at all the epsiodes i had, i figured, what the hell deleted those 3 crappy seasons of heroes as it's been a huge dissapointment. there are no heroes glory dayd. the reboot was supposed to happen last year, and you all know how succeesful that was. the show is a trainwreck. Herc do the decent thing replace the ehroes talkback with a supernatural talkback!
Seriously, AICN... CHUCK is more geek relevant than Heroes by Razorback	Jan 29th, 2009 06:37:59 AM
Why do you guys keep pushing Heroes and not Chuck?
Suggestion to Fuller. by cookylamoo	Jan 29th, 2009 07:10:08 AM
Don't have your villains kill each other off. This isn't "Salvation Run."
Chuck has never out-NIelsened Heroes... by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 07:26:25 AM
And probably won't for the foreseeable future when House gets through with it.
Everyone has their threshold, their breaking point by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 07:29:28 AM
when it comes to a show, and mine was reached when the writers junked the Sylar redemption storyline at the expense of the show's best actor, IMO. It would've been nice to have finally found out how Kristen Bell felt about Elle exiting the show with little chance of returning on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night, but she wasn't on.
I Wanna Stick With This Burning, Out of Control Car by Aquatarkusman	Jan 29th, 2009 07:44:47 AM
And see where it goes. Oh, look! A friendly's cliff's edge!
Yep bring on the Chuck talkback by ThrowMeTheIdol	Jan 29th, 2009 07:48:44 AM
It's one of the best hour longs on tv and gets no love here. And that was funny, Aquatarkusman, you summed it up perfectly.
Mahachinda hachinda! by MrSentinel	Jan 29th, 2009 07:54:53 AM

Me=Gsticking also. by Bob Cryptonight	Jan 29th, 2009 08:07:47 AM
What the fuck...might be good or it might be good for a laugh.
Knight Rider by Philvis	Jan 29th, 2009 08:23:34 AM
Saw the newest Knight Rider last night and really enjoyed it. The new format is 100 times better than the terror plot of the week they had going. I am hoping it will turn the ratings around to give the show another shot. My wife even enjoyed it. Waiting for a Hoff and original KITT cameo now!
Chuck and Medium by Himbo	Jan 29th, 2009 08:29:58 AM
Really anticipating the return of Medium. Fantastic Show. I've always liked Chuck. If only I could watch something between them. Maybe I'll watch TiVo'd Fashion Police, cause at least that doesn't anger me by it's badness.
Chuck should get a TB just for the recent Die Hard reference. by HoboCode	Jan 29th, 2009 08:48:16 AM
Love the show.
Heroes has sucked by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 29th, 2009 08:53:18 AM
since about 5 episodes before the end of the first season. Surely the plug has to be pulled soon?
TRANSLATION: "Come back for episode 3.19" by SpyGuy	Jan 29th, 2009 08:59:04 AM
I cannot begin to express how happy I am that Jeph Loeb was sacked.
25 episodes? Wow... by turketron	Jan 29th, 2009 09:13:09 AM
That's a lot. This is going to be on opposite 24... which I always watch live, so Heroes will have to be on the backburner (aka bit torrent) for a while. And holy shit, please give us a Supernatural talkback...
Two word review: by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.	Jan 29th, 2009 09:24:15 AM
Shit sandwich. Me and Mine just watch this show for a good laugh now. Bring on the Blu-ray with DIY commentary.
I'll keep watching but it isn't a priority by zerogundamx	Jan 29th, 2009 09:37:13 AM
Villains was better than Season 2, but it still had sloppy writing and a lackluster conclusion. I'll stick around to see how the show shapes with Fuller back, but I'll be watching 24 first and Heroes later.
24 for me, too. Also, Hayden Panettiere and/or Ali Larter by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 09:37:32 AM
want out of the show, per Michael Ausiello of Entertainment Weekly, but NBC isn't fixing to release one or the other from their deal. If Larter goes, it would be addition by subtraction as she's done jack shit the past season and a half. I believe myself that Hayden is the one itching to leave. She's got "I Love You Beth Cooper", plus a couple of voiceover roles in animated movies in the next 12 months.
Yeah, I reckon it's Hayden (and Fuller) by chrth	Jan 29th, 2009 09:57:21 AM
Larter has to be sleeping with some or all of the staff to still have a job with the show, so I sincerely doubt it's her. Remember that Fuller also loved the first 3 eps of the next storyline (before it gets muddled again), so let's keep an open mind on the first three weeks.
FWIW, E!Online.com visitors voted Elle's death the absolute by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 10:20:02 AM
worst death of a primetime TV character of 2008. Lost's Michael Dawson was a distant second (37.4 to 22.6%). And the lack of any public comment by Bell on the way she was written out of the show suggests she was beyond steamed about it. The writers didn'd just burn that bridge for her to return in season 4 with Sylar's kid in tow (when her movie schedule allowed a return). They napalmed it.
"… what’s clear is that the show’s complex plots by Big Jim	Jan 29th, 2009 10:40:35 AM
" have been severely dumbed down — leading to corny dialogue (sample: “We have to stop them!”) and oh-brother twists that will make viewers yearn for Heroes’ glory days. " So it's no different than the beginning of season 3 and all of season 2? And how bad it is that US Magazine finds it "dumbed down" with "corny dialogue"? Pennsy, it's Heroes - they kill off characters for the sole purpose of shocking the audience only to bring them back the very next episode with an explanation not far from "yeah, I was dead but now I'm not". I know there don't seem to be any plans to but they could easily bring her back as an evil twin or shape-shifter who has assumed her form, or a clone, or a ghost, or a version from another time or different dimension, or pull a Twin Peaks and dye her hair brown and say she's Elle's cousin. My bet is they bring her back with no explanation and simply hope everyone forgot she was dead. Two episodes into her return they will say it's too late to try and explain her resurrection as they have leapfrogged that period where it would have made sense and they are now onto new things.
If NBC decided to send Heroes folks to NY Comic Con by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 11:07:44 AM
next weekend, that will make for a very interesting - and possibly contentious - Q&A panel discussion. The only actor from the show who's going to be there is Milo Ventimiglia, and he's hawking his Berserker comic book series only, on the Top Cow label. Thing is, does NBC really want brushback considering how south - and sour- things have turned for the show to send anyone there?
Heroes "jumped the shark" ... by TheCap	Jan 29th, 2009 11:12:42 AM
... when the audience realized that we'd never see Hayden Planetarium in something skimpy. That would be about, oh, say, 10 or 15 minutes into the pilot. That is all.
HEROES makes me feel sad by Mullah Omar	Jan 29th, 2009 11:17:26 AM
This show should have been so much better. Somehow a can't-miss premise turned into a whole lot of misses. Sad.
No CHUCK talkback is NOT random by Razorback	Jan 29th, 2009 12:13:10 PM
Everyone else and their mother covers CHUCK. Only AICN ignores it. Why? It is clearly on purpose... and it has nothing to do with the quality of the show. If it did, they would cover every inch of CHUCK since it is by far the best hour-long comedy on television.
This shit is still on the air? by tristeele	Jan 29th, 2009 12:35:00 PM
I will watch just about any genre show out there....but this show is just worthless. I deleted all my DVR eps about a third of the way through this year. So much promise that first season. We all should have known with that crap s1 ending episode the show was bogus.
IF IF IF there is a Season 4.... by chromedome	Jan 29th, 2009 12:42:18 PM
They should use ONE LAST Timeline Jump, and RESET to the end of Season 1--then start from there and DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME. Season 2 did irreparable damage to the characters, the arc, and the interest of the audience. Season 3, 3.5 are attempts to dig out of that hole and get back to the greatness of S1. So just fill that hole with dirt, got back and start from the High point that was S1. (Maybe somebody who knows somebody who knows Fuller reads this TB :-)
Chuck: EXCELLENCE! Found their Groove and Movin In It by chromedome	Jan 29th, 2009 12:46:16 PM
Consistently good, fun show, with likable characters and great dialog--running on all cylinders, hitting all the right notes, [insert all the other cliches here]. Should have a TB. But watching the show is more fun than talking about it. With Heroes, talking about how BAD it is turns out to be the most fun thing about it.
Where are my HOUSE and LIFE ON MARS talkbacks? by SpyGuy	Jan 29th, 2009 12:46:57 PM
Makes as much sense as a CHUCK talkback.
Being a Heroes fan in 2009 is like being gay in 1949 by IAmMrMonkey!	Jan 29th, 2009 12:52:28 PM
"You're a Heroes fan!" "No, I'm not." Hides Heroes DVDs "I'm not. I'm just like you. Honestly..."
I'm glad to see all the CHUCK love by chewyou812	Jan 29th, 2009 01:01:17 PM
I'll gstick with that.
Has Heroes ever had to go up against 24? by TheMarineBiologist	Jan 29th, 2009 01:07:49 PM
'cause I'm pretty sure that there's gong to be quite a nasty surprise waiting for the Heroes producers when they get the viewer numbers.
Mr. Monkey by TheMarineBiologist	Jan 29th, 2009 01:12:25 PM
That comparison would work, if most of the folks WERE gay, then transferred back over to heterosexuality, preferring to gstick it in women because they grew sick of continually terrible cocks.
TheMarineBiologist by Whatcokes982	Jan 29th, 2009 01:19:10 PM
Yes, 24 season 6 went up against Heroes season 1, and Heroes won by a couple million viewers each week. However, Heroes only draws about seven million viewers these days, whereas 24 is still drawing 12 million, so the tables will be turned.
Hang it up. It's over. by jimmy_009	Jan 29th, 2009 01:35:53 PM
The show is terrible. Everyone wants out. Do the actors a favor and pull the plug. I can't remember seeing a series implode this much this fast.
Let me know how it all comes out. by cookylamoo	Jan 29th, 2009 01:45:45 PM
I've had it.
I laugh at the days Heroes fans used to come in Lost talkbacls a by exie	Jan 29th, 2009 01:57:11 PM
Heroes is, was and will always be garbage. The storytelling had no long term plan yet the model of the series required a long term multi-season plan to sustain the story. The characters were terribly drawn and anything compelling dried up quickly during season 1. It makes me laugh since during the first season all the Heroes fanboys used to come into the Lost talkbacks to tell Lost fans how much better their show was. Morons.
Heroes Lost the battle by Wrecks	Jan 29th, 2009 02:10:56 PM
Zing!
Whatcokes by TheMarineBiologist	Jan 29th, 2009 02:27:11 PM
And remember that 24 Season 6 is thought by many people to be the absolute worst that 24 has ever been. And then we have Heroes Season 1 which has quite the opposite sentiment. What I'm saying, is that Heroes is going to get blasted this Monday.
Glad to see the love for CHUCK by 18to88	Jan 29th, 2009 02:35:53 PM
So so so much better than Heroes. At least CHUCK knows what it is.
Chuck isn't to bad by Xiphos_2	Jan 29th, 2009 02:45:59 PM
Chuck and Supernatural should definantly get a TB. The problem? I don't think either show has even a tenuous connection to Joss Whedon. Since Hercaminas 14 year old girl crush on all things Whedon isn't massaged, no talkback. Shame really, Supernatural kicks all sorts of ass and Chuck is entertaining fluff.
I get all my entertainment reviews from US magazine!! by skimn	Jan 29th, 2009 03:46:56 PM
Right after I read about the exploits of the cast of The Hills and if Jennifer Aniston is pregnant or not!!!!!!!!
Chuck co-stars Adam Baldwin by skimn	Jan 29th, 2009 03:58:01 PM
Jayne from Firefly and from the last few great episodes of Angel. If those aren't Whedon credits...
Heroes = Lost light by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jan 29th, 2009 04:55:41 PM
Why are we still talking about this show?
Skimm by Xiphos_2	Jan 29th, 2009 05:27:33 PM
that's true know about Adam Baldwin. I just wanted to bust out the Hercimina and 14 yer old girl lines. They're classics that have fallen by the wayside lately and I've been missing them.
How does DUMB plotting get "dumbed down"? by Drath	Jan 29th, 2009 05:36:13 PM
What next, they're going to make the "science" of Fringe less believable? Maybe ER should have more doctors in it! Yeah, time for a change!
I got through about 4 episodes of Season 3... by Bob Loblaw Law Blog	Jan 29th, 2009 05:47:28 PM
before deleting HEROES from my DVR's series recordings. I was honestly thinking about giving it one more chance, but if US WEEKLY thinks it sucks... damn (my wife has a subscription, so I get my fill of it...). This is the same magazine that always describes stars' physiques to diets of "lean chicken, fish and veggies!" and reviews every new film , in no more than 100 words. As an example, here is the EXACT TRANSCRIPT of US WEEKLY's full review of "The Wrestler.": "Onetime sex symbol (and pro boxer) Mickey Rourke (9 ½ Weeks) makes a muscular return as an aging wrestler— he’s scarred, arthritic and half-deaf — who tries to stage a comeback in this character study by art-house director Darren Aronofsky (Requiem for a Dream). Rourke’s riveting, but the cardboard female characters — Marisa Tomei as a stripper love-interest and Evan Rachel Wood as his neglected daughter — weigh the movie down." Yep... HEROES is toast and PUSHING DAISIES is cancelled. Wonderful. Hopefully Bryan Fuller finds another job soon.
speaking as someone who hated on HEROES without having seen it.. by oceanic86	Jan 29th, 2009 06:06:41 PM
...and as someone who finally decided to check it out with instant watching on netflix (no watse of a rental that way) and found himself hooked on the first season... this show is just garbage now. i usually don't listen to the "word on the street" about TV shows since a lot of people seem to think BSG has been sucking for a while, but goddamn, HEROES is just a rancid piece of shit now. it's unfortunate, because the series definitely started out well. season two was the first indicator of a downturn in quality, and it got progressively worse from there. this show is dead to me. i don't even care to find out what happens anymore.
oceanic86 by Bob Loblaw Law Blog	Jan 29th, 2009 06:39:41 PM
I'm with you. I was hooked on Season 1. I watched it when it first ran, bought it on DVD, watched it again. I was a little iffy on Season 2, but I hung in there. By season 3... I lost interest so quickly, the episodes began to pile up on my DVR. I wouldn't delete them, telling myself I just needed to go back and watch them sans distraction, and I'd be hooked once again. Sadly... that never happened. I just found myself groaning and becoming more disinterested by the minute. It's sad because I love seeing shows out to the very end (hell, I've been an "ER" fan since DAY ONE... and I was teenager back then). But, with HEROES... I'm tapped out.
K-Bell will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live this Friday... by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 07:32:39 PM
She got bumped for Adam Carolla on her scheduled appearance last night.
Chuck... by Toonol	Jan 29th, 2009 07:33:50 PM
I wonder if AICN has avoided covering it because (1) it's good and (2) McG is executive producer. The combination of those two factors might be bothersome to certain people. As far as talkbacks, I'd just prefer a nightly coaxial one. Herc could just post "Hey, here are the cool shows of interest on Monday" and open it up for discussion.
Fuck this shit. Give us a show about crimefighting farmers. by Uncle Stan	Jan 29th, 2009 07:45:53 PM

would love to see a post-Watchmen based show by br1947	Jan 29th, 2009 07:59:19 PM
same universe, but modern day. 25 years after the events of Watchmen. Maybe the plot was exposed and made public years later, heroes are hunted down and anarchy reins after the semi-utopian state created by the great lie desintegrates. World is circling the drain,then Dr Manhatten returns. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre resurface to lead a hero resistance. it'd have to be on HBO or Showtime and have a tone similar to BSG to really work.
Chuck by veritasses	Jan 29th, 2009 08:33:49 PM
is well made. Consistently entertaining. Kudos to the cast and crew as it's the type of show that can be very easily screwed up in any number of ways. Not sure it's the type of show that absolutely needs a weekly TB though. As for Heroes, I'll wait for the Fuller episodes to start and see how that goes. Hopefully he's been given full control.
US MAGAZINE??? by alice 13	Jan 29th, 2009 08:37:07 PM
is britney spears having brad pitt's love child with angelina's permission AGAIN???
i just made that up by alice 13	Jan 29th, 2009 08:40:41 PM
so if it shows up in us magazine i want some $$$$ yo.
br1947 by Philo	Jan 29th, 2009 08:42:36 PM
Great idea man but you know Fox will option it and then cancel after 5 eps. Heck, get Joss Whedon to do it, make Herc happy and that'll guarantee a cancellation
Yeah, is there anyone who still doubts Lost is superior? by JerseyJedi08	Jan 29th, 2009 08:44:20 PM
Cause then you're a fucking moron.
unfortunately true by br1947	Jan 29th, 2009 08:49:55 PM
Still fun to think about. But even tho I'm a fan of Whedon, I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Watchmen related project. His style is too comedic & light. He does some good drama, but only in short bursts punctuated by humor, which just wouldn't work with Watchmen.
heroes/supernatural by wixmmm	Jan 29th, 2009 08:57:08 PM
To those people who call for a supernatural talkback--I owe you all bigtime. I only gave it a shot because i heard a few TBs say it was great, and then i'd see even more jumping on and reaffirming its greatness. Man, that show just got better and better and hasn't slowed down. Supernatural is a show that knows how to kill a character and bring him back and make it worth it. heroes should take notes. The angels getting involved in supernatural took it to a whole other level. it's supurb. Heroes lost me several times, but the last straw came in the last episode. In the beginning of that episode, nathan wants to give random people powers--who knows how they'll use them. then at the end of episode, he wants to persecute people with powers--except the people he wants to persecute are the ones who have saved the world with him before. Thats when i felt the show just became disrespectful to the viewers. These guys have no fuckin idea what they're doing.
by wixmmm	Jan 29th, 2009 09:00:16 PM
and i always am very slow to critisize showrunners... i mean, its got to be a tough job. However, heroes just makes no sense anymore. they're drunk at the wheel. I wonder if maybe the scripts are too long and they end up cutting parts in order to fit it in an hour timeslot. That is the only reason i can think of to explain the jumbled convoluted mess this show has become. it used to be my favorite on tv. now, it hurts to turn on it and rant about how terrible its become.
Look at BSG; last week's episode to me was more by Pennsy	Jan 29th, 2009 09:32:26 PM
compelling than 3/4ths of Heroes season 3 stuff. And they do it on a fraction of the latter's budget. There's a reason why there's no Heroes/BSG debate.
herc/smallville/supernatural by wixmmm	Jan 29th, 2009 10:03:18 PM
howabout a smallville thread??? does herc ever listen to the people here and take their opinions on what they want to talkback about??? The new season of smallville has been fantastic, yet i want a talkback so i can vent my frustration about how lana is killing the best season the show has ever had, by a mile. Would it kill you, herc, to make a smallville and supernatural topic??? the zone does not even come close to cutting it. people talk in the talkbacks... the zone sucks. And, i love chuck as much as the next guy, but its not a 'talkback' kinda show. as it stands now, smallville and supernatural are. Heroes will not be back for a fourth because 24 is going to take all the viewers... in the past heroes could have maybe put up a fight, but everyone is in agreement that heroes is so bad it hurts to watch. it is literally impossible to defend heroes with what they've done to the show. herc, you'll make a talkback for a dumb magazine article about a show everyone has moved on with, yet you refuse to acknowledge that there are some great shows worthy of discussion. Would it kill you to add some new shows into the mix, and let the 'coax column' be twice as long??? as far as coax goes, herc, you have the easiest job in the world, yet i get the sense that almost all the talkbackers know whats worthy of discussion and what's worthy of praise... we're not even asking you to watch and comment about some of these shows-- just give us a forum! as i said, the zone is worthless. some of us don't have friends who watch the shows we do... we're looking for disucssion, grant us that. don't ban me, please.
Smallville Blows hard by Lane_myers111	Jan 29th, 2009 11:05:16 PM
First two seasons were great from then on it is unwatchable if you have an IQ over 90 or are completely willing to accept adolescent school girl mush. Ridiculously annoying characters eg Chloe,Jimmy. Stupid plots that follow exactly the same tired structure and use the same mind numbing plot devices eg memory loss,suddenly finding a way to solve a problem in the last 5 minutes of a show when the previous 40 minutes theyve been drilling it home to the viewer that it was 100% unsolvable. Take the legion episode. 40 minutes giving you the conflict Clark has to choose between Chloe and Billions of lives in the future because there is absolutely no way braniac can be seperated from the host. 5 minutes left "oh hang on if we put our powers together in what appears to be an unbelievably easy way we can do it. Hey we still have a minute left just enough time for the 150th closing scene where we get all mushy and overly sentimental in clarkes barn..cue soft light and go. The show is the very definition of wus out low brow tv.
US Magazine calling out a show for "dumbing-down" by Mullah Omar	Jan 30th, 2009 12:19:55 AM
= GAME OVER.
Where the Doctor by smeagol2	Jan 30th, 2009 12:27:13 AM
I will only watch Heroes again if they get Christopher Eccleston back. So... that means never.
The only thing superior to lost is more lost by Stormwatcher	Jan 30th, 2009 12:53:40 AM
Seriously where the hell is the girl that gave Ben the freakin wood dolls.
necgray by Lane_myers111	Jan 30th, 2009 01:56:04 AM
Only watched legion in its entirety because i thought the time travel aspect might make it interesting and the trailer looked good. I did not reference any other episodes because i genuinely havent seen a complete episode from this latest season. I have downloaded sporadic episodes when they featured a character i had heard of or an end of season cliffhanger but have been 100% disappointed with every one and have not made it beyond 10 or 20 minutes before being turned away by the terrible dialogue,plot devices and overall structure and story. Im not overly familiar with the Superman universe but would be very surprised if an Adult Superman fan of reasonable intelligence would be happy with this shows portrayal of all the iconic superman creations (with the exception of young Lex,i have really enjoyed Michael Rosenbaums work when the scripts were half decent). Aquaman,green arrow,Braniac,Bizarro,Jorrel and supergirl have all been ruined in my opinion.I liked the portrayal of the three Legion characters and the Flash,but the story they were given sucked. Never any WOW moment because everything youve seen,youve seen before with just a slight difference.The sooner this teen rubbish stops,the sooner we can get a more grown up Superman universe. Go watch Richard Donners Superman and imagine a series in the same vein and thats what i want to see.
Heroes/Smallville by Lane_myers111	Jan 30th, 2009 02:03:34 AM
i also think that one of the reasons that Heroes has declined is that starting from season 2 it started leaning ever so slightly towards the Smallville model of superhero story telling.Always about saving the world or the universe with a crystal or a formula rather than having smaller more personal battles or obstacles to overcome. Finally there are shows that are cool and worthy of a talkback and Smallville certainly aint one. You may as well give one to One tree Hill or 90210.
Fuller can save this show.. by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jan 30th, 2009 02:32:30 AM
..by killing off all the characters, with the exception of Sylar, and introduce a guy who can bring the dead back to life with the touch of his finger, his childhood sweetheart that was resurrected by him, and their adorable, obedient, and lovable dog. I would watch that show. For sure.
Is this still on? by Bumpasses Dawg	Jan 30th, 2009 03:40:39 AM
Save the cheerleader, save the... Oh. Wait. Sylar CAN'T really kill her. And she had nothing to do with saving the world? Nevermind. Think they can make Hiro ANY stupider this season? Peter any more insufferably invulnerable? Send HRG out for a pack of smokes in ep one, and have him come back in the last 2 eps again? Figure out a new way to bugger this once prize heffer, and the boys in the suits will line up for miles with the KY.
I Like Smallville by Bumpasses Dawg	Jan 30th, 2009 03:46:38 AM
Guilty pleasure. And I AM familiar with Superman lore, Lane (Hmmmm. Lane hates Superboy). Sometimes they get it all wrong, but I enjoy it anyway. As long as they keep the product placement to a minimum (gum anyone?), I'll dvr it and catch up once a month or so. Truth to tell, I've only been watching regularly over the past couple of seasons as they are getting closer to Superman time - I'm curious to see how they do it.
Heroes never was complex. by MrFloppy	Jan 30th, 2009 05:03:22 AM
It was "WeBelieveIt'sComplex" stupid and nosense.
IGN: "Not entirely terrible." by Pennsy	Jan 30th, 2009 05:53:53 AM
http://tv.ign.com/articles/949 /949144p1.html. I guess that's a step up - not much, though.
Hayden looks like a Hot Midget Woman by Nivek666	Jan 30th, 2009 05:53:57 AM
I try to keep wayching, but now I'm at the point of recording it, and fast forwarding over anything dealing with Hiro, Cheerleaders, and Suresh. This show needs it's cast thinned out BAD>
I just got bored watching Sylar kill people. by Smerdyakov	Jan 30th, 2009 07:47:10 AM
It was like a 13 hour remake of "No Country For Old Men"
dead in the water by fivezero	Jan 30th, 2009 08:26:03 AM
i'm done with this show.
Bumpasses Dawg. by Big Jim	Jan 30th, 2009 10:23:50 AM

Bumpasses Dawg. "Save the cheerleader, save the world" by Big Jim	Jan 30th, 2009 10:26:31 AM
I never saw it as "save the cheerleader and the world will be saved", I always thought it was a list of things to do: "Save the cheerleader, and once that is done, then you need to save the world".
The ONLY way to save Heroes... by Orbots Commander	Jan 30th, 2009 10:56:02 AM
...is if Fuller did a Crisis on Infinite Earths or Secret Wars universe re-set and started over. That way, you kill off dumb characters and make new, more consistent rules for the Heroes-verse. I haven't watched since the terrible Heroes season 1 finale (all the build-up for a whimper of a smackdown??) and it's sad to see a once promising sci-fi show that has fallen into a ditch and can't seem to get itself out.
Ugghh by Audio_of_Being	Jan 30th, 2009 11:10:27 AM
I have never given up on a show as quickly as I did Heroes, and I suffered through Season 2 of Lost.(Of course, we did get a good payoff for sticking around with that one.) I think Fuller should kill off all the characters, introduce an already developed pie making character who can resurrect people with his touch who's partner is a detective and voila! Pushing Daisies covertly returns to TV.
LOL!! by Audio_of_Being	Jan 30th, 2009 11:14:00 AM
Wow, so if I had read about 10 posts up before I posted, I would've seen someone already posted what I did. Great minds think alike for the return of great shows, I guess.
Very simply by The McPoyle Clan	Jan 30th, 2009 12:01:25 PM
Chuck is in a groove. Heroes is the needle repeatedly skipping at the end of the record.
Gift for Pennsy by chromedome	Jan 30th, 2009 12:59:58 PM
http://tinyurl.com/246z7g
Saw those, Chromedome, And the outtakes... by Pennsy	Jan 30th, 2009 01:36:38 PM
Are even hotter than that. If that's humanly possible. :)
Outtakes? Linkify!! by chromedome	Jan 30th, 2009 01:41:20 PM

Your wish, Chromedome... by Pennsy	Jan 30th, 2009 02:27:45 PM
http://tinyurl.com/d2cdhb :)
lane_myers111 by wixmmm	Jan 30th, 2009 04:10:55 PM
Did i say smallville has always been a great show??? no... i NEVER used to look foward to it and most of the time i'd let the episodes accumulate on my computer before i'd get around to watching them. I said that THIS SEASON is worthy of a talkback, and if you've been watching this season, you'd see that it is actually becoming a superman show. the last three episodes have suffered because of the guest starring reappearance of lana, who brings down the show completely. i absolutely hate that they brought her back, even if it only was for a few episodes. But don't tell me its not worthy of a talkback if you haven't seen this season, which is talkback worthy. i have read alot of talkbackers comments and anyone watching the whole season knows it has VASTLY improved because of the loss of lex and lana. If you're uninformed about what's currently happening in a show, don't tell me, or the other people who have seen the huge improvement that its not talkback worthy. who are you to comment and deny the people who watch the show a talkback when you don't have a clue what you're talking about? You are the exact type of judgemental holier than thou talkbacker that i hate-- like telling people its not worthy of a talkback, or like how some people say "just cancel it already!" when there are people out there watching it. How does a talkback or a show's existence negetively impact you? you're just a self centered idiot who likes to bash on things without being informed. I'm 25, read the comics, have a creative writing degree and am in grad school... i did not like smallville and never once praised it, until this season. Your opinion of smallville is based on the bad aspects of the show six years ago. You can't compare THAT show to a CURRENT show... it makes your argument not work. First off, it started as a meteor freak of the week--hardly a 'saving the world' show. Now, there is a bigger arc, and a serious progression moving the character from clark into superman... but 'saving the world plotlines?' it never was that when it started, and it sure as hell isn't that now. you're a tool.
ooooh, NICE! Thanks, Pennsy by chromedome	Jan 30th, 2009 05:19:26 PM

Has this show even been renewed ? by Itchy	Jan 30th, 2009 08:53:56 PM
If not, don't bother. It's hopless now. I don't know how you can possibly fuck up as sure of a thing as a serial superheroes show that started off with a huge bang and tons of goodwill, but the fucksticks Tim Kring hired did it. Congrats. They need to broom this shitpile off of the airwaves, and replace it post haste with a grittier, better Watchmen ripoff. And move the fucking thing to HBO so they can spice it up with some swearing and some tits.
wixmmm by Lane_myers111	Jan 30th, 2009 09:57:20 PM
i'll start be saying a few things about your reaction. Lets just say you have some issues to work out. To react so strongly to what is simply a differing opinion over a tv show is pathetic and childish. I dont know how much time and effort the moderators of this site have to spend setting up and maintaining a talk back on a specific show. If its little or no effort then great,they can give you your talk back. If there time is limited then there are alot more shows deserving of a talkback. Smallville is not by any stretch of the word,a cool show. I have read a few posts saying that the show has improved but i fairly stated my opinion that the episodes ive tried to watch have been no different in quality. You ask me "who am i to comment and deny people a talkback". Well im a person who has a right to put forward a fairly stated opinion and im not the one denying you a talkback, im the one saying i completely understand why your being denied. Im assuming that as the moderators of this site dont put forward numerous talkbacks on lots of shows, that they, like most others, have limited time on their hands. I would like to see talkbacks on Dexter and Supernatural but dont think its important enough to come here asking them to do so and abusing people who disagree. You seem like a very immature 25 year old with an unusually strong love of Smallville. Congrats on getting an degree. There must be numerous Smallville talkbacks on the net why not use them. Keep this site for cooler news than "whats happening in Smallville?"..Just reading that sentence makes you realise how incidental this show is. Enjoy your show and calm down when your favourite TV Show is questioned.
by wixmmm	Jan 30th, 2009 10:58:22 PM
you don't have a 'differing opinion' you can't have an opinion on something you haven't watched...from what i read, you're talking about the show six years ago, and one out of context episode. I am passionate, yes, and probably more than i should be, however, what's pathetic and childish is to judge something you are completely ignorant about. i take back one thing: you are correct, you are not denying me or anyone else anything... i'll give you that. But what do you have to gain by saying a show you don't follow doesn't deserve a talkback??? I learned HTML from my mom when i was 11 and the internet was barely anything. i taught myself the programming language of perl and coded my own online roleplaying game and the message boards for it when i was 16, and aside for the simple what you see is what you get layout of the pages, the code that made up the roleplaying game was made from scratch in notepad. I DO know how easy it is... it's actually rediculously simple--the entire structure is already in place. you think they design each and every page??? no, it's a matter of having the priviledge to fill in blanks not unlike how you post a message on a talkback. And space? i gave the solution to that problem--add more shows and make the coaxial column on the right twice as long. problem solved. It takes no time and no effort. You 'assume' that its a matter of the moderator's time... its not, not even a little, and that's one more assumption you make without knowing anything about the matter in question. I also think dexter and supernatural deserve talkbacks and have said as much. And yes, dexter and supernatural are on a whole other level than smallville. But this is a geek site that has a comics section and there is currently a very decent show about superman on the air, and that alone makes it worthy of a talkback. And smallville isn't my favorite show, not even close. Lost is better than ever, Battlestar is going nuts (in a good way) life is good, mentalist is good, house is good, 24 is good now that it looks like it will do what it's done best: show bauer kicking ass, chuck is good, heroes has become so bad its actually funny. All of these shows (aside from heroes) are better than smallville. And fyi, most of the smallville blogs are filled with teenagers, because they make up a big part of the demographic, but they have no opinion worth reading. And i thought i made it clear above that smallville is NOT my favorite show, and that i gave up on it until this season. In your post bashing me, almost all the 'assumptions' you make (and admit you are assuming) are wrong... i watch the show, i've learned how to write programs for websites... you don't watch the show, and you clearly have no idea whatsoever about how easy or difficult it is to make a webpage and keep it running. You see, i 'reacted so strongly' to a 'differing opinion' not because i think you bashed a show i like (but is far from my favorite) but because your opinion is based on assumptions and a few out of context episodes you have seen. That's not much of an opinion at all--i have an opinion, i can back it up, and i don't have to assume anything. I'm angry because you did not 'put foward a fairly stated opinion' you pulled an opinion out of your ass with nothing to back it...this isn't just about you, its about talkbackers like you... i'm hardly worked up about one person here, you just fit the bill of the talkbacker who thinks they have an opinion about something they know nothing about, and because they know nothing about it, they have no business saying a damn word about it.
by wixmmm	Jan 30th, 2009 11:13:45 PM
also, if you read my initial post, the reason i wanted a talkback was so i could vent my frustration about them bringing back the show-killer lana for a guest starring arc. as it happens, i ended up venting that frustration off on you... its the internet and its where i come to bitch, but it's also where i come to share and exchange opinions with people who watch shows my real friends don't...
ok, the honest to god truth by wixmmm	Jan 30th, 2009 11:25:49 PM
there's actually a real reason i go online to bitch-- i have schizo-effective disorder... i have to literally (and i mean it when i say literally) bite my tongue way too many times a day in the real world... aintitcool or green bay packers blogs or milwaukee brewers blogs let me just vent that anger and let all my mood swings come out... all that shit i work so damn hard to keep hidden on a minute to minute basis in the real world... this is where i let it out... and it works. i act immature at times, i act pretensious at times, i let my emotions get the best of me-- but you know what? in the real world i do not let any of the shit going on in my head perceptible to a soul, even a little. Believe me, if you had a life like mine, you would understand how valuable it is to have a place where you can let your mind do what it wants and not have any reprecussions for things you say, or for the manner in which you say them. so, immature? possibly. do i have issues? most definately
wixmmm by Lane_myers111	Jan 30th, 2009 11:44:42 PM
Look,i hope you get your talkback. i didnt make any assumptions whatsoevr about the time or effort it takes to create a talk back. I said if its easy then great they should do it. if its not then no they shouldnt. I freely admit that my internet knowledge extends to finding what i want to read,buy or download. You seem to like to brag a lot but hey if u have the skills then why not. If its so easy then have u thought about why they dont do it? .Mr Knowles and his crew have an image of the site they like to maintain and maybe a smallville talkback is not part of that.Do you think you answered your own question? Smallville is a show aimed at Teens which is why those boards you visit are full of views that dont interest u? We actually have very similar opinions of the other shows you named. Just not this one.I watched seasons 1 and 2 in there entirity.Most of Season 3 and by 4 couldnt take the monotonous stories i have watched selected episodes from 5,6,7 and tried to watch from 8 Always disappointed. Why i still bother i dont know. I want it to be good. Im aware of the monster of the week criticism of the first seasons. But when they did try and give us story arcs we got the Indian caves,Lana The witch,those stupid artefacts.Dont you find it annoying when clark speeds away from someone and they dont even say hey thats weird.He was here and now hes gone in less time than he could have possibly got out of site. Have they explained why chloe is a computer genius who seems to be able to access any information in the world from her computer. There are numerous things i find annoying. Had lex really become that annoying that people wanted him gone? For me he was the best thing in the early show.
Bad spelling by Lane_myers111	Jan 30th, 2009 11:46:57 PM
excuse the ridiculous spelling mistakes..i was losing at texas holdem at the time.
wixmmm by Lane_myers111	Jan 30th, 2009 11:52:08 PM
Which are the best two episodes that represent the rise in quality of this series? i will download them and see for myself if i think your right.
by wixmmm	Jan 30th, 2009 11:59:03 PM
as a matter of fact i agree with you on EVERY SINGLE thing you said was terrible with smallville, in fact, your list reminds me of how terrible it used to be... i will NEVER defend a single thing about seasons 1-7, and that's just the truth. But if you use torrents you might want to check out season 8 from the beginning... it could suprise you. if you watch those episodes, and come back telling me it still doesn't work, i wouldn't have a single negetive response to you whatsoever. an opinion is one thing, but an informed opinion is something else entirely. you will never see me bash a single person who has watched what i have watched just because we may disagree. i have never done that and never will. no lie. i also never point out bad spelling... in large part because i cannot spell to save my life in text messaging, and people know i was an english major, so its actually quite embarrassing. i also don't write talkbacks carefully enough to make sure my grammar and spelling are up to par. only a douche and a tool jumps on someone for grammar or spelling in a message board.
by wixmmm	Jan 31st, 2009 12:07:56 AM
and actually there is a reason chloe has crazy computer skills... sorry if you actually did plan on watching this season, but i'll just tell you--brainiac download part of himself into chloe. As i said before, i really wanted the talkback to bitch about what they have been doing wrong since the break. I'm pissed because lana reappears, and in a matter of months she has learned to a) become a world class detective b) become a world class computer hacker, c) became a fighter who could take down two big and trained henchmen d) was taught how to withstand torture as well as the most hardend soldies. and the icing on the cake came this week, with her getting an invisible suit that gives her superpowers. I am so pissed because the first half was brilliant, mainly because lex and lana were out of the picture. this guest starring lana story arc is destroying what they had been doing so well, and it is hurting the series' best season ever with her mere presence. i just want her gone so we can go back to what was so damn good about the first half of the season.
wixmmm by Lane_myers111	Jan 31st, 2009 12:41:16 AM
Chloes ridiculous computer skills have been going back to nearer the beginning. She seems to be able to trace or find any piece of information she wants on anyone and this was even back when she was on the chronicle but got ridiculous when she got to the daily planet. In regards to the legion episode. The overall message of the episode was that Superman never gives up and will always find a way to save every life. I have a massive issue with this idea in any story but also the way it was played out. If you concede that the main character is always going to solve a problem and never have to face loss through making a difficult choice then hes never going to be defined. Surely as pure and good as Superman is,He must at sometime have to weigh up the lives of the few against the lives of the many. They create this decision where its chloe or billions and then solve it with a pathetic light show in the last five minutes.Just seemed a massive cop out.
by wixmmm	Jan 31st, 2009 12:54:57 AM
i'll say this: brainiac putting himself in chloe worked well. but anything before that regarding, well, ANYTHING, falls under my opinion that i will never defend anything about season 1-7. As far as clark having to make the tough decision, that exact issue is addressed by green arrow, who in season 8 gives clark more than a few tongue lashings about how clark needs to man up and start to be the man he needs to become, and has the potential to become. But this has always been an issue with the character of superman. in the comics, batman and superman are 'friends' but on many occasions batman drops some big truth bombs on him and expresses alot of frustration for superman's tendancy to be so stubborn with his morals. In the New Krypton arc i just read today, superman sits by lois' bedside while she is injured and spends a ton of time with martha because of his father being killed by braniac. Meanwhile, 100,000 kryptonians have been introduced into earth, yet superman decides to stay with lois and martha when the world needs him more than ever. so, that's just superman--he's too sentimental, too much of a boyscout, too much of an optimist... well, he's too much of alot of things. And as for the legion episode--i can't really say much bad about it mainly because i worship the ground geoff johns walks on and he always seems to have his hand in anything worth reading that dc puts out. I guess the 'wrapping things up nice and tidy' is all too often the problem with smallville, but this season he has to face doomsday, and you know something bad's gonna happen to lana and i think they'll start to shy away from the neat and tidy plot device... at least that's how it looked like based on the first half of the season.
how many times by imascooby1985	Jan 31st, 2009 01:53:40 PM
can Sylar be killed? I liked the character and all, but he has had TWO fake deaths in just one arc. First with HRG cutting his throat and now apparently Claires killing him didnt take. Dammit! Im sticking with 24 and catching Heroes on On Demand the next day.
Man, we must all really hate HEROES... by Bob Loblaw Law Blog	Feb 1st, 2009 04:22:12 AM
because half of this talkback is about that ridiculous Superman show that no one I know -- save my 40-year-old aunt -- even watches.
Gsticking on Monday by Napoleon Park	Feb 2nd, 2009 09:53:56 AM
Folks who say Heroes was only good the first half of season one have a poor memory or never really watched. The first half of the debut year was a slow paced snoozefest while they tediously introduced the cast. if got good in the second half of the year, though a lot of fans were disappointed by the finale. Heroes was always a mainstream entry level super-hero-lite comic. an unexceptionally average copy of Marvel 2-in-1, bound to disappoint anyone tuning in expecting Watchmen. But people who expected Heroes to be a mature intellectual examination of superheroics in a real world setting probably are still whining that Mighty Morphing Power Rangers stopped being sexy after the original Pink and Yellow Rangers quit. I actually logged in to see if there was any mention of the reported difficulties people in some areas have been having finding the required 3-D glasses for tonight's special 3-D Chuck episode. Lots of Chuck love here, but no mention of the fact that you won't be able to watch tonight's episode without the new improved process special glasses. good news for House, I suppose. (The Chuck ep airs in 2-D on line at NBC.com (and probably Hulu) starting February 3rd.) Personally, I'm just glad that National finally wised up and put their two super-hero shows on back to back: their juvenile kids show Heroes and the somewhat more realistic, mature and compelling examination of someone with psychic abilities in a pseudo-real-world setting, Medium. (Plus, for the pederasts and pervs who like their sex symbols short, blonde and pouty, Sofia Vassilieva is hotter than Hayden Pantyarea ever was or ever will be. Not that I'd notice, but I have deviant friends.)
do the Real D glasses work? by turketron	Feb 2nd, 2009 01:23:56 PM
Not that I watch chuck, but are these the type of glasses that work with the type of 3d that NBC uses? I found the glasses too late last night so I wasn't able to test them on the 3d superbowl commercials. I got the glasses when I went to see My Bloody Valentine 3d.
Re: 3D glasses by STLost	Feb 2nd, 2009 02:55:47 PM
Yeah, I looked at a Target and a local grocery chain and couldn't find the glasses. I said screw it I'm not running around looking for the stupid things. Then I saw the 3D crap during the super bowl (without glasses) and was like "Oh crap, I'm gonna have to watch Chuck in all this blurry mess". If it's blurry tonight then I'll just catch it in Hulu.com. "Chuck" is my 2nd favorite show (behind "Lost"). I might skip out on "Heroes" because I'm just not that excited to see its return.

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