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Fascinating!!!! Official Prequel STAR TREK: COUNTDOWN Offers Giant Clues Regarding Spock, Nero and J.J. Abrams’ New Movie!!

who cares by Reckoner	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:14:04 PM
about freakin' Star Trek???
cool by j2talk	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:14:08 PM
jj saves star trek...thank you......
There are like 9 movies of Star Trek by Reckoner	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:14:48 PM
and we need 9 more?
DOES THIS SPOIL THE MOVIE by ArcadianDS	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:19:22 PM
or should one consider reading it before going?
Interesting by AstroNerdBoy	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:20:09 PM
Unemployed though I am at present, I tell you now that if I'm still unemployed when this movie comes out, I may go without eating or something for a while to make sure I have the money to see it (either that of beg a friend to take me as their treat).
I'm not convinced by Insane Tiki	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:20:11 PM
The comic book is not the movie, and the comic can tie itself into Trek lore as much as it wants, but the movie looks like it's trying to seperate itself as much as possible from what's come before. I'm reserving judgement on the film until it comes out, but I'm apprehensive to say the least.
Still sounds like a time traveling plot crutch crapfest by rectalscan	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:22:57 PM
As usual. Nothing new or exciting.
4 8 15 16 23 42 by MrSentinel	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:26:35 PM

Once you do another time travel story.. by CeejayNightwing	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:27:46 PM
you know everything will work out perfect in the end and i stop paying attention. Star Trek is supposed to be about the human development and exploration. Not traveling back in time to fix things yet again. Been there, done that!
Spock's mom appears to be vulcan? by MattmanReturns	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:30:45 PM
Huh? She looks human in the trailer.
WILL IT BE 2009'S BIGGEST MOVIE? by BADBOYBROM HC	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:33:02 PM
So it's set after Nemesis? I wonder if the Dumb Data is knocking around somewhere and makes an appearence? This movie is gonna rock hard.
I'm with Insane Tiki on this one by Gungan Slayer	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:35:49 PM
and im fucking tired of time travel stories in star trek.
The comic's script sucks, seriously- heree's a direct quote: by YackBacker	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:41:40 PM
Spock says in the Romulan Senate "Friends, Romulans, countrymen- lend me your ears!" Brutal.
YackBacker...Now thats fucking funny! by conspiracy	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:45:07 PM
Sadly you know somewhere Orci is thinking.."Damn..why didn't I think of that?!"
And yes..Enough Tome Travel... by conspiracy	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:46:50 PM
they have made it a non-event..all lifes woes and bad decisions fixed with a quick trip around the sun.
YackBacker by Boborci	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:47:56 PM
You got the quote wrong.
Time travel is a neccesary evil... by Voice O. Reason	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:51:03 PM
...to reboot the franchise without ignoring the last 40 years.
Trying to separate is okay with me. by JumpinJehosaphat	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:51:43 PM
I mean, if you look at the sum total of what's been done with the Trek universe, the vast majority of it involves changing things up. Time travel occurred in TOS, The Next Generation opened the door to telling stories that weren't about the adventures of Kirk and Spock. If anything, this movie is more like TOS than not. Whether that's a good thing or not is another discussion.
That Spock's mom line is puzzling. by rev_skarekroe	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:52:05 PM
She didn't look Vulcan in the trailer to me and IMDB says she's "Amanda Grayson". Not a very Vulcan name.
Spock's mother... by Boborci	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:54:55 PM
is human.
SPOILER ALERT!!! by 11ZOMBIES	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:56:39 PM
Captain Data of the USS Enterprise? Consider me intrigued...
Ok Bob, here's the quote: by YackBacker	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:57:12 PM
"Friends, Romulans, countrymen... we share the same ears!"
Referencing Nemesis by photoboy	Jan 22nd, 2009 04:57:40 PM
I don't think referencing and embracing Nemesis is really something that should be considered a plus point. It's more like a reaffirmation that this film will be shit given the company that it keeps.
"not a Nero content to fiddle as Romulus burns" by newc0253	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:02:03 PM
props.
And I found the comic panel here: by YackBacker	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:02:05 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ar4opu
Star Wars trailer, never forget by technotranceporter	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:05:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =SgDB6Ac2rSc
Please, AICN, please.... by Dr.DirtyD	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:14:04 PM
Stop reporting your subjective speculation as news!! I know that last bit may sound like an oxymoron, but that question over Spock being full or half vulcan is an issue, only in the mind of the writer; just because Ryder "looks" Vulcan to him. The mention of Chekkov being older than Kirk is, also, not based on anything we officially know about the film and is based on this particular AICN staff's, very subjective, observation.
I can't believe everyone isn't over at HitFix.com??? by Puddleglum	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:19:33 PM
The power of McWeeny compels you! The power of McWeeny compels you! The power of McWeeny compels you! The power of McWeeny compels you! The power of McWeeny compels you!
Tiki.... by Dr.DirtyD	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:20:30 PM
I think it's all perspective. You are looking at the project with suspicious eyes. I would say, personally, that everything so far looks, predominantly Trek faithful and what changes there are, in contrast, are quiet minimal AND negligible.
Yackbacker - with writers like Orci, I'd be surprised if by Puddleglum	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:21:28 PM
a line like that WASN'T in there. Did Rob "Me did such a best job on Bayformers!" Orci write Abrams' new trek film? if so, I wonder who will get to pee on Spock's leg?
Or do I blame Kurtzman for Bayformers excellet script? by Puddleglum	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:23:26 PM

Bob Orci, a question about Hercs article... by Dr.DirtyD	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:24:33 PM
...Can you verify: why does the article author say Chekkov is older than Kirk in your movie? He's just making gross speculations and assumptions based on lazy observation, right?
I never thought that NEMESIS was bad at all by George Newman	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:31:08 PM
The action and special effects are awesome. Data and Picard share fun screen time together. While the clone looks more like a young Dr.Evil, he is still interesting. B-4 is a little lame (and his name doesnt make any sense if he was named before Data was built; it'd've been weird for the doctor to plan that far ahead in the android-building process) I like the movie and prefer it over movies 5,7, and 9. I've got the 10-film, 20-dvd set, and NEMESIS gets more play than any of the above mentioned (as well as 1st, i barely ever watch that)
She's human, it was just fucking TBers stupid vitriol by performingmonkey	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:34:30 PM
When the trailer came out, many presumably dumb TBers were screaming 'why is Spock's mom a Vulcan??' just because she was featured in a scene ON Vulcan. Show me the pointy ears on Winona Ryder. That's right, you can't, because if you look she is NOT Vulcan, therefore making her human. Somehow the 'fact' that they had made her Vulcan spread throughout the community and some people still believe it. Well it ain't true, you stupid honk motherfucking dil-hole eating cunt rapers! Can't wait to read this 'funnybook' (hate that term)
you don't need by DrLektor	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:37:12 PM
to read the comic in order to see the movie, it's not essential. The whole point of the movie is to make trek accessible again, for too long it's been mired in the same technobabblish continuity hell, seriously, it puts prospective new fans off. Those treckers that have the knowledge to spot the changes "whaa? nipples on the enterprise?" are the ones who are enough into it to check out the comic too and get the details they need. The comic is also not so much referencing Nemesis as just plain referencing Trek in general. it's closer in spirit to the episode Unification than anything, that should be enough to get a few Trek hearts pumping. I got a kick out of seeing Data because, uh oh, he was dead, is this B4 taking his brother's name? By stardate 64333.4 those 10 or so years we've now passed by have added an air of mystery, sadness and potential wonder that's been missing from trek for too long... and this is just the freaking comic prequel.
Agreed, George Newman. by NinjaRap	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:37:24 PM
My only problems with Nemesis are the stupid photo of Picard with no hair as a young cadet, and the total lack of reference to Data's fabled emotion chip. Otherwise that movie was good - hell, I thought it was actually pretty great. It raises interesting questions, has some epic shit in the final battle, and the performance of the guy playing Shinzon is awesome.
Puddlegum by jackalcack	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:45:36 PM
You've posted the exact same plug in 3 talkbacks now, I'm beginning to suspect that you are a Hitfix plant. Maybe even Mori himself.
For the Star Trek movies by maelstrom_ZERO	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:46:46 PM
For the ST movies, I pretend that Wrath of Khan and First Contact were the only ones ever made. My geek conscience feels more comfortable that way. Personally, though, I think that J.J. Abrams is typically a smart director, one that focuses on relationships, character interaction and story rather than Bay-esque inspired stupidity. So with that in mind, I'm cautiously optimistic.
Nemisis was much better than Insurrection. i hated that one by BMacSmith	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:56:23 PM
bunch of fucking hippies hogging immortality and screwing over life everywhere else in the universe! i always felt like he Enerprise crew was on the wrong side in that one. plus it just scuked.
Nemesis by enderandrew	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:56:55 PM
I was one of the few that really liked Nemesis, though they wasted the opportunity to present good Romulan villians. Nemesis is almost a carbon copy of Wrath of Khan. I find it odd that most Trek fans praise Khan as the best, and Nemesis the worst, when they are basically the same movie.
Was that the REAL Bob Orci? by raw_bean	Jan 22nd, 2009 05:59:24 PM
Was that yet another example of a Hollywood type appearing randomly on the TB to address the raving slavering public (see Walter Bruce Willis, Kevin Smith, etc.) or just some guy pretending?
Agreed, George and Ninja by supertoyslast	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:02:12 PM
I only recently saw Nemesis and, because of its bad rep, I wasn't expecting much (something at least as bad as Insurrection). So I was pleasantly surprised to find something that, of all the TNG movies, played most like a fairly decent two-parter of that show. Patrick Stewart said it best in one of the interviews on the DVD: "A Star Trek movie has to be Star Trek - not just a movie which happens to be Star Trek". Nemesis was resolutely Star Trek. Not great Star Trek, but not awful either. Also, I have no idea why anyone thought Spock's mother was Vulcan from the trailer. As she appears on screen a voiceover says (of Spock) "you are a child of two worlds" - or something like that. Pretty self-explanatory to me.
raw_bean by jackalcack	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:08:25 PM
I think there's a strong chance that was the real Bob Orci. If you look at both his posts, one corrects Yackbacker on getting the quote wrong, which he did, and the other answers the question about Spock's mother being human. Would a pretender have bothered registering that name just to be all low key and dull?
Jeez, they're still bashing Bush in the 24th Century? by DirkBelig	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:09:31 PM
Hollywood's Bush Derangement Syndrome ruined so many movies as ham-handed hack writers tried to cram in leaden "social commentary" to kick their bete noir in the teeth and prop up their Leftist cred amongst the peers that control their careers. They didn't care that it instantly dated their movies and made them irrelevant after 1/20/09 - they had to get their bash on!! With Dubya gone, I'd hoped Hollyweird would get back to making movies unhampered by liberal temper tantrums, but noooooooooooooo!!! We're getting crap like "Curiosity, tolerance and diplomacy ceased to be forbidden words in the empire,” as if Obama - who today kept his promise to Al Queda and ordered Gitmo closed down and terrorists pampered - has the slightest curiosity about when the next attack on Americans may come. According to the BDS-consumed hacks of Star Trek, even Spock will be picking this scab hundreds of years from now. Pfffft. So much for hoping for a change from the same old liberal bullsh*t.
jackalcack by Puddleglum	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:12:38 PM
well, rest easy knowing that at least I'm not the real Robert Orci
raw_bean - yep, that's Bob by Sir Loin	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:14:35 PM
He frequently posts at trekmovie.com as well, pretty cool to get direct answers from the writer if you ask me.
Puddlegum by jackalcack	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:15:13 PM
I've got your number Kurtzman
Kevin Smith by jackalcack	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:16:30 PM
...So when did he post on AICN?
That Boborci guy always pops up in these by conspiracy	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:17:53 PM
not sure if he is the real deal or not..but it makes me happy to think it is..so we can collectively tell him that given a pen, a piece of paper, and a topic; the typical government schooled, sub 100 IQ 10th grader can come up with a more well thought out, less insulting, and overall more entertaining script that the puss he pissed out for Bayformers. Fuck you Bob Orci...just take your ego, your giant paycheck for producing crap, and go fuck with something besides what we film fans like. Go Write a script for Tom and Jerry...you'd manage to fuck that up too; I'm sure..even though they don't fucking TALK a "Talent" such as yourself could easily make a mimed slapstick cartoon seem more innane and childish than it already is while searching for a new Audience. Better yet..go write for Teletubbies you fucking Hack...there is something even YOU couldn't possibly screw up.
dirk, you haven't been following Trek long, have you? by BMacSmith	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:17:58 PM
Trek has always mirrored real world events, from the cold war to now. and i hate to break it to you, but the liberal hollyweird bullshit about Bush you keep speaking of happens to be the general consensus of the vast majority of the world's population, not some small fanatical speck of humanity. Even though your precious fake conservative radio gods tell you otherwise, they don't represent most American's beliefs. thank god they are no longer much of a force in America. deal with it. oh, and btw, I'm not a liberal so don't even bother calling me one.
It doesn't say Chekov is older than Kirk by DougMcKenzie	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:22:52 PM
It says he outranks him. I assume the timeline change caused Kirk to NOT enter Starfleet at the right age (18?) He could be 25 now when he meets Pike, and gets pushed into Starfleet.
Obama..Liberal? by conspiracy	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:24:43 PM
The guy whose VP all but called Russia and China enemies, and who plans on taking the troops from Iraq and sticking them on the Pakistani boarder? Who voted to continue the Dept. of Homeland security and voted to give amnesty to Telecoms for violating your right to privacy as outlined within their own user agreements? Ya mean the guy who put the Warhawk Hillary a secretary of State and kept Cheneys lap dog Gates as Sec. Defense? hahaha Change my ass.
i liked Nemesis too. by smudgewhat	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:24:54 PM
thought the Picard clone was a creepy, interesting approach. but also looking forward to the reboot, accepting it as something entirely different from canon.
"Bring Trek to a wider audience" by IndyCollector	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:25:33 PM
Still baffles me. If someone isn't a fan of Star Trek, they aren't going to go see a movie called STAR TREK!
Now enough Political BS..lets keep the focus on a shared enemy.. by conspiracy	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:25:55 PM
Kurtzman/Orci.
Yeah Nemesis was good too by IndyCollector	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:26:31 PM
The plot is cool.
Kevin Smith by enderandrew	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:28:41 PM
Kevin Smith posted on the talkbacks responding at length directly to several people, and then eventually started posting his responses on his forums. That portion of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back where they go beat up "MagnoliaFan" was inspired by the AICN Talkbacks. It seems he reads them fairly regularly.
Every Dumb, Superfluous Post on This Movie by Aquatarkusman	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:30:14 PM
Reduces my interest in it by 5%, placing me at 2975% disinterested at this point.
nice to see some Nemesis love by BMacSmith	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:30:50 PM
not that it was that great, but there are much worse Treks. its in the middle.
IndyCollector by DrLektor	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:32:51 PM
"If someone isn't a fan of Star Trek, they aren't going to go see a movie called STAR TREK!" why do you think that is? Now ask yourself, how could you change that?
This movie is a bit of a curiosity. by OneBuckFilms	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:32:59 PM
It is a reboot/origin story, with a link to the original events for those who need it. One does not need these comics to understand the movie, and the basic characters introduced in the movie, but for fans like myself, it provides an explanation as to why so many things are different. This is actually a very bold solution that allows a lot more creative freedom without tripping over the 40+ year mythos. It also restores jeoprady to the movie, since we actually don't know how this new series of movies will end, or what the crew will encounter in the new TOS timeline. And true to Trek tradition, the story integrates current scientific knowledge and theory into proceedings.
Hey BobOrci by Puddleglum	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:34:59 PM
I'd really like to ask you "what the fuck" on your script for Bay's transformers movie (the first one). But at the end of the day, you'll still be the one laughing all the way to the bank, not pissing and moaning about it on a stupid internet board. Still, WHat the Fuck? Dogs peeing on transformers? The stilted dialog all over the script? "Hey you anorexic freak!" Bob, you are so much better than this, aren't you? What the fuck happened on TF? Is it Bay? Did he insist on the shittiness that resulted int hat script? tell Bay FUCK YOU, I know how to write so stop making me look like an asshole!
RE: IndyCollector by OneBuckFilms	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:37:48 PM
DrLektor, I think they are working to rid Star Trek of the geeky stigma it has in the general public conciousness by touting it as a "reboot", and "not your father's trek". Judging from the buzz and press so far, it looks like it's working. There's a reason Paramount are spending $150m on this one, and moving the film to a summer tentpole spot on May 8th.
They need a proper movie to end TNG, which is by far the best Tr by dr sauch	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:43:58 PM
ORIGINAL SERIES SUX!
dr sauch - "Original series sux"? by Puddleglum	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:45:17 PM
you lookin for an asskicking coming 'round here with that shit?
RE: The comic's script sucks, seriously- heree's a direct quote: by OneBuckFilms	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:46:32 PM
YackBacker, The quote is actually "Friends, Romulans Countrymen... we have the same ears." Personally Ilike the line, since Spock has shown more of his human side in Unification and Star Treks IV thru VI. It is also hinting his diplomatic skills with the Romulans in that he realizes the importance of personality when getting people to listen to him. He puts them at ease so that they would be more receptive to what he has to say, though it still doesn't quite work in this case.
Last week's news by randie1313	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:49:29 PM
They reviewed this comic like almost a week ago at www.trekmovie.com. Really any item that appears here about the Star Trek movie likely appeared there at least a day or two before.
Lol, sorry Puddlegum, I couldn't resist. by dr sauch	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:50:31 PM
This is my very favorite place to drop massive flame-bombs. No, I respect the original series, but I really think that TNG is sublime storytelling. I want a final movie, with a good script, that really ends it all. They basically have to do it before Brent Spiner gets too old and fat to play Data.
Hunh? by IndyCollector	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:57:39 PM
If you ask someone who hates Star Trek if they are going to see the new movie titled STAR TREK what do you think they will say? I'm guessing not YES.
Star Trek's geeky stigma by IndyCollector	Jan 22nd, 2009 06:59:14 PM
Doesn't come from any of the TV shows, movies, games, comics, etc. It comes from FANS. And they ain't changing.
FASCINATING! by dekionplexis	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:02:18 PM
If you're an asshole.
Spock's mother by CharlesFosterKane	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:06:05 PM
His mother was human and his father was vulcan. It's always been that way since the original series. I'm baffled at the idea that Star Trek continuity is important to anyone who doesn't know that, since it has always been an important part of the character's history.
Lost and Star Trek ties by technotranceporter	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:13:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =SgDB6Ac2rSc Support me. Please. I make horrible, horrible shit. Worse than the turds from Harrys ass...
Counting the Days by cutest_of_borg	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:14:52 PM
I cannot freaking wait until May.
Capt. Data? by Seth_Brundle	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:15:03 PM
Starfleet is still oppressing intelligence. The smartest officer of the Federation was a Lt. Cmdr. on two Enterprises for over 15 years, and now in the even further future he finally makes Captain. Data should be the C in C by this time.
Nope, does nothing for me by GeorgieBoy	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:26:44 PM
This thing is still a big "screw you" to Star Trek fans. Shame on Paramount for going with it.
Re: Data... by MCVamp	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:36:53 PM
I liked TNG, but really, the most annoying thing about the whole series & films was Data's "growth" into Brent Spiner's idea of trying to break out of typecasting. Yes, you can sing and dance, Mr. Spiner. Save it for the stage.
"Enterprise" may have screwed timeline up by Mike Hunt	Jan 22nd, 2009 07:59:35 PM
Didn't Daniels (the guy from the future) tell Archer that history recorded no Xindi attack on Earth in the 22nd century......yet there still was one on the show.....so the events as played out on Enterprise were in fact different than they originally were in the original TOS, TNG, etc. timeline......Yeah, a guy can go crazy thinking about this!
Blame the Remans - Spoilers!!! by sirbroiler	Jan 22nd, 2009 08:27:16 PM
I haven't seen Nemesis in a looooong time. But I think next to B4 (a half-assed, obvious convention designed to allow producers to kill Data, but then bring him back later) the real failure of Nemesis was the introduction of the Remans. With the vast array of established alien species at their fingertips, why did TnG flicks rely so heavily on newly introduced species as key villians? Remans. Son'a. Picard Clones. And whatever. I hope the reappearance of Remans is exclusive to the comics and I pray they don't play any part in the film. In the inevitable Trek sequel, let's have Kirk and company encounter more of the familiar aliens in the Trek galaxy - but experience them in new and exciting ways. Important note: If Spock has been on Romulus for 4 decades - then Picard is probably pushing 90 and Riker 75 by the time Spock decides to go back in time. So I'm not holding out hope that they'll be around to help Spock with his time traveling in the new film. Now...Data (B-4 with a Data back-up file loaded) is a different story. A story that would KICK ASS on film.
Nemesis blows ST:V outta the water! by FSJGuy	Jan 22nd, 2009 08:33:34 PM
I dunno what people are smoking, ST:V was the biggest waste of time in my life other than writing this. Meeting God? Worst FX since Plan 9 from Outer Space...Star Trek 5 is the shame of the franchise not Nemesis, even Insurrection was worse than that one.
Why do these dumbfucks keep saying holyweird? by locust	Jan 22nd, 2009 08:55:40 PM
Not clever at all, dumbass right wing flakes...
Ya know, I wonder if Shatner really does make an appearance by YackBacker	Jan 22nd, 2009 09:28:00 PM
I'm still skeptical of JJ passing up the chance to use Shatner. Something to ponder...
You know who's a buncha pussies? CHUD. by DOGSOUP	Jan 22nd, 2009 09:40:59 PM
Disabling their comment sections because they couldn't handle it. Devin's countdown to trek by reviewing every single OS episode is weak. Fuck you CHUD! Fuck you Forever!
Re : Reckoner by Real Deal	Jan 22nd, 2009 10:04:17 PM
Well judging by the amount of posts here you are in the extreme minority. I can't wait for this movie! I have a feeling that this will be something really big. Bigger than Star Trek has been before. I don't know it's just a feeling. And usually when I get these feelings I'm right!
RE: Shatner making an appearence by zillabeast	Jan 22nd, 2009 10:32:39 PM
Herc knows the goods on this one. He's been dropping hints all year long! Spill it, Herc!!!
DirkBelig by quantize	Jan 22nd, 2009 10:35:03 PM
That's right, even in the 24th century nobody can forget what monumental assholes dubya and his looney redneck puppetmasters were same old right wing shit from you then.
This does NOT takes place "decades after Nemesis" by Alan_Moore	Jan 22nd, 2009 10:37:05 PM
Trekmovie.com (the only site you need for Trek news these days) states that it takes place 8 years after Nemesis. And I tend to believe them, since Picard appears in this series looking more or less the same as he did in Nem.
not enough Borg in this. by Boomers_Lips	Jan 22nd, 2009 11:06:04 PM
and not enough Seven of Nine.
Red matter? by Lorquaine	Jan 22nd, 2009 11:08:13 PM
How can a single supernova, even a really really big one, pose a danger to the whole Romulan empire? How can a supernova destroy planets? (Like: completely destroy?!) How can an artificial black hole help? Wouldn't it be as dangerous after swallowing that star that's about to go nova? Is Spock really that dumb? And what's red matter? Maquis gone communist? That first part of "Countdown" is not Star Trek science-nerdy, it's total crap. Totally offscale pseudoscience. Hope the rest will be better.
RE: Red matter? by OneBuckFilms	Jan 22nd, 2009 11:28:03 PM
Red Matter is more plausible than the Genesis Device...
okay that's cool. by Cotton McKnight	Jan 22nd, 2009 11:41:18 PM
The invisotext. If they can right, then I might actually give this movie a chance. Though, I do believe that how it happened in "canon" is honorable. It just happened to take place in a really bad movie.
What's funny though is that this is "new" by Cotton McKnight	Jan 22nd, 2009 11:45:19 PM
And yet it borrows from old star trek movies. Goes back to "set things right?" Star Trek 4 anyone? How about Soren from Generations? Or the borg in first contact? Anyway.
YackBacker and others...you guys were serious?!?!?! by conspiracy	Jan 23rd, 2009 12:14:47 AM
About that "Friends Romulans..." bullshit? Really? I thought you folks were just fucking around! HA!
Spock has lived on Romulus for 40 years... by Bill Clay	Jan 23rd, 2009 12:16:06 AM
...according to the comic book. The TNG episode "Unification" shows Spock arriving on Romulus in 2368 and Nemesis took place in 2379 (according to the trekkie wiki). So this story takes place roughly 29 years after the events in Nemesis. Maybe.
a question about Hercs article... by Boborci	Jan 23rd, 2009 12:41:21 AM
Chekov is NOT older than Kirk in our movie.
Stop defending that pos NEMESIS, will ya? by Motoko Kusanagi	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:06:40 AM
That's among the three worst Trek movies ever. Now guess what the other two are.
Steve Langford has a huge penis! by Boomers_Lips	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:11:04 AM
penis...penis...penis...penis.
hey BobOrci by Boomers_Lips	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:13:40 AM
if Star Trek does well in box office, focus on the Borg next time. Reboot them back as the scary villains they shouldve been and ignore the Voygaer years version of the Borg.
Captain Data? by KDog629	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:24:08 AM
Um...it's great that we're embracing canon from even the most reputable corners of the franchise, but if we're gonna honor canon, did anyone remember that Data was dead at the end of Nemesis? His "engrams" were downloaded into his prototype, B-4, but B-4 was more childlike than Data had been, even at the beginning of TNG. Are we to believe he skipped his entire Starfleet career, and is now a Captain, under his brother's identity?
Boomers_Lips by Boborci	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:43:26 AM
Noted.
this actually sounds cool - why isnt THIS the movie by JimmyJoe RedSky	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:45:38 AM

Fans should never be given control of a franchise by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:16:06 AM
Because if they do they come up eith this sort of unoriginal crap. Captain Data commanding the Enterprise? Please.
kwisatzhaderach by Boborci	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:18:19 AM
Yeah. Captain Data. Cuz we said, "Make it so."
CeejayNightWing by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:23:33 AM
is correct. Star Trek is supposed to be about going forward, not backwards. I can't help but feel that doing the prequel/origin angle is a fatal mistake. We'll see. And re: my previous comment about fans being handed a franchise the best Trek movie was made by someone who had pretty much no knowledge of Trek beforehand.
kwisatzhaderach by Boborci	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:24:45 AM
"And re: my previous comment about fans being handed a franchise the best Trek movie was made by someone who had pretty much no knowledge of Trek beforehand." Not anymore.
Boborci by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:25:37 AM
Props for making me laugh. I do miss Star Trek so I hope you guys have done something cool with it. But i'm a born sceptic.
Boborci by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:27:07 AM
Yeah I know Abrams wasn't a Trek fan but i'm still pretty sure Meyer had only seen one or two episodes before taking over. Out of curiosity what are your top three Trek flicks?
kwisatzhaderach by Boborci	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:33:04 AM
2,3,4
SPOILER QUESTION by mynamesdan	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:39:16 AM
i thought data was dead though? isn't that the reason nemesis was so boring- because of all the extra added gush at the end while data 'did a spock' why did we suffer all that nonsense for him to not be dead? don't get me wrong- i'll be pleased to se him- but come on!
Boborci by Hercules	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:43:56 AM
What has Tim Jones done before?
Hercules by Boborci	Jan 23rd, 2009 02:48:05 AM
thanks for the generous review. tim jones is writer we met a few years back who wrote for us on the short lived JACK OF ALL TRADES.
Boborci - my 2 cents by andrew1911uk	Jan 23rd, 2009 04:05:54 AM
For what it's worth, I'd suggest going your own way with the francise and not pander to quick win fan favourites like the Borg. Leave them in Picard era. Paying close attention to some of the non-canon sources would pay off big dividends...in particular the books of Diane Duane and Peter Moorward. In a sequel, I'd love to see the Klingons broght up to snuff as proper adversaries for Kirk...he was treated as their particular nemesis from a tactical viewpoint - why not a serious knock down, drag out tactical, lengthy battle with multiple ships - with Kirk being the tactical leader he is in non-canon sources. The authors I refer to have done some spectactular things with the characters - I recommend the book 'The Final Reflection' especially.
Chekhov now outranks Kirk by gotilk	Jan 23rd, 2009 04:17:36 AM
Outranks. Where did all these people get "older" from?
Should have been the movie... by I AM ROCKO	Jan 23rd, 2009 04:40:13 AM
...I agree with the talkbackers above, this should have been the movie to reboot the Trek movie series, much more interesting to focus on the good Romulan Captain Nemo working with Spock to save his people, then through tragedy he has a fall from grace- a new Enterprise is shown at the end, introducting a new crew and the rest of the movies focusing on them dealing with an unhinged Nemo trying to take his pain out on the universe...
Smilin' Bob... by Rakafraker	Jan 23rd, 2009 04:40:59 AM
I look forward to a new bad-ass Trek that doesn't have to stick to continuity (but still does). Time travel was in TOS and every series after, and IMHO is (and has always been) integral to ST. Also looking forward to the new Transformers movie. I'm hearing from friends in the know that it's way less silly. Hopefully the powers-that-be didn't pull too much of a Raimi/Arad on you guys this time. With CG as good as it is today (especially after the Star Wars prequels (the cartoons included) and the Resident Evil movies (with exception to the voice acting-Imagine what a few extra $$$ would have done to improve the talent)) I'd love to see what original Sci-fi you could come up with. P.S. I'd love to read Countdown right now, but I'm going to have to wait and order the comic online. There isn't a comic book store for many miles.
Boborci by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 23rd, 2009 05:16:46 AM
Interesting choices, I've always felt 3 was kind of underrated. I'd plump for 2, 4, 6 although I have a place in my heart for The Motion Picture which was an AWESOME cinema experience for me at the age of 6.
The spoiler part by InfinityWave	Jan 23rd, 2009 05:37:56 AM
TNG fans have to take what they're given now. Since Nemesis' failure we can't expect new stories outside of books and comics, or hope for any fan service in this new film... but still, it's sweet to see Data back in the approved continuity. Perhaps the B4 prototype was designed to age at a normal human rate. Then if there ever were a new modern Federation movie, we could have Brent Spiner without worrying about any extra pounds and wrinkles. :)
Invisotext comment by The Chosen	Jan 23rd, 2009 05:38:13 AM
WHATHEHELLAREYOUTALKINGABOUT DATA??? CAPTAIN??? HE DIED! DIDN'T HE? Is this one of those "alternative JJ Universe" or is that B-4, Data's twin brother?
Great Information -- Marginal Comic by optimous_douche	Jan 23rd, 2009 06:27:49 AM
Yes, it was wonderful to get this information prior to the movie being released, but this was damn far from a good comic. The art was simply marginal and in some places downright atrocious. Spock looked closer to Sarek than Spock (and don’t tell it’s because Nimoy is older, I saw the special trailer -- the man still looks like Nimoy) You really couldn’t even tell it was Spock until the close-up close to the end. The beginning had more gaping holes than a Paris Hilton sex video. I only knew there was a mining platform because they told me in the text it was there. I don’t expect great things from a movie tie-in book, but you can tell it was done by movie guys. Not comic guys.
Most Trekkies hate Nemesis because... by TylerDurden3395	Jan 23rd, 2009 06:51:20 AM
It was essentially a remake of Wrath of Khan but with TNG cast. As a non-Trekkie, that's why I liked it. It had more emotional resonance than any of the other TNG movies and had a lot more action too.
How about a scene where Spocks parents think he's masturbating! by YackBacker	Jan 23rd, 2009 06:52:14 AM
Like Sam's parents did in TRANSFORMERS. That would be fucking rad.
John Bryne? by Dazzler69	Jan 23rd, 2009 06:58:30 AM
Is he the artist? That would be the only reason to get it for me.
Yeah, if there were a Data cameo in this.. by dr sauch	Jan 23rd, 2009 07:21:47 AM
I would swoon and piss myself with nerd-glee. Data is the best character ever.
Best Trek Movie is Star Trek III by mattb68	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:11:20 AM
Always my favorite. Loved and still love Wrath of Khan but Search for Spock was the most a kin to the best story and dramatic tones of the better original series episodes.
OneBuckFilms: Red Matter by Lorquaine	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:16:31 AM
You wrote: "Red Matter is more plausible than the Genesis Device." Maybe, but the Genesis device is, well, a device. I have nothing against Science Fiction inventing super weird technologies. But in terms of natural phenomena it shouldn't go completely over the top like gargantuan evil supernovae. On the "red matter" itself, I have to admit that I'd like to know how they explain it. At least it sounds interesting. :)
COMMODORE Data of the Enterprise-F... by BurnHollywood	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:17:29 AM
According to the link below, this was an alternate universe Enterprise featured in the Trek novel IMZADI. This universe is "triggered" by the death of Troi in 2368. http://everything2.c om/title/USS%2520En terprise-F
My favorite Treknobabble gaffe... by BurnHollywood	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:27:17 AM
There was a "dark matter nebula" mentioned in VOYAGER (I think). Dark matter is called "dark matter" because it's a nearly unknown quantity. If there was a nebula of the stuff sitting somewhere, it would cease to be known as "dark" and would be known by some other name..."gluxons", "helium-X", "vac-u-funk", whatever. It's the equivalent of conclusively saying there's a big pile of "nothing" on my desk.
wrath of khan? by BigDude	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:30:14 AM
Nemesis was NOTHING like Wrath of Khan. Good lord man, that's like saying the empire state building is essentially the same as the JFK building just because they are both skyscrapers. Khan is a work of art, Nemesis was a crappy movie. JJ is going to make a decent flick, I just don't think it's going to be what it needs to be as a star trek film.
Ok, so when does this take place?? by Alan_Moore	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:48:20 AM
I'm gonna need the exact line from the comic before I agree that it takes place decades after Nemesis. Trekmovie says 8 years, and like I said, Picard is in this thing, looking very much the same as current Patrick Stewart. Perhaps Bob Orci could shed some light on this?
AstroNerdBoy by Himbo	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:55:30 AM
If you have the discipline to go without food to save the money to see this movie, then I'd say you will have the discipline to have an income stream before then.
Re : Lorquaine by Real Deal	Jan 23rd, 2009 08:59:58 AM
Well I haven't read the comic and not sure of your reference but Super novas ( even small ones ) wipe out their entire solar systems all the time out there. The power is simply unimaginable. If that happened here even pluto wouldn't be safe.
Patrick Stewart by mynamesdan	Jan 23rd, 2009 09:03:14 AM
was born looking like a sprightly sixty, he will always that way. he always has. he's the timeline's best friend at this point, considering data's middle-aged spread.
I Swear by skydemon	Jan 23rd, 2009 09:22:10 AM
Please, no klingon acne, no fat clumsy chief engineers, no marshmallows, no "don't call me tiny" lines, Please, JJ give us "LOST" quality on this movie. Those lame attempts at laughs in the previous films were sickening.
Re: "the exact line from the comic" by Bill Clay	Jan 23rd, 2009 09:36:59 AM
Spock: "Romulus. My home for the last forty years."
New poster for the movie here by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:06:04 AM
in case you missed it http://tinyurl.com/d9tfac
Seems everyday I care less and less about this. by mrfan	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:10:49 AM
Too bad. I was excited at first.
Time travel: Gee, that by mrfan	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:12:27 AM

is so original by mrfan	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:12:46 AM

This comic seems like a desperate play for... by rbatty024	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:13:43 AM
the fanboys. But I'll take it. I, for one, actually enjoyed The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, it wasn't until Voyager that the entire franchise started going downhill. It's nice of them to make nods towards continuity, even if it ultimately has to be sacrificed in order to inject life into Trek's bloated, rotting corpse. I'm looking forward to the film, but I honestly don't think general audiences are going to flock towards it. This may be Trek's Alamo. It was a valiant effort but there wasn't a sequel.
Tom Paris would be a better Captain of the Enterprise than Data. by thecomedian	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:14:25 AM
or even Chakotay. I'm just saying is all. At the end of the day, emotion chip or not, Data is a machine. They'd never let an android Captain the flagship of the Federation. Though I'm sure that will be Data's character arc to deal with in this comic book miniseries. Maybe he's this tough, grizzled disillusioned Data who's seen it all and done it all. That's the only way I'd buy it. I always figured they'd do one more TNG movie with all the major characters from the spin offs either now on the crew of the Enterprise or playing some role in the story. On the flip side it would be nice to see Jolene Blaylock do a cameo as T'Pol in one of young Spock's scenes on Vulcan so at least we know Enterprise did actually happen and that T'Pol wasn't just a fetishized fictional titty puppet in Will Riker's holodeck spank bank.
"The tale is set decades after the events of “Star Trek: Nemesis by OptimusBob	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:40:50 AM
At first I thought even though Spock is a vulcan, he must be dead by tjen. But then I remembered, He was reborn in "Search For Spock". Aging forty-odd years or so in a matter of days, maybe his extended longevity has a connection with Genesis.
Edit:" Dead by then" not tjen by OptimusBob	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:41:56 AM

Found a simpler way of saying this: by OptimusBob	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:50:25 AM
The moment spock was reborn on the Genesis planet his longevity was reset, even though he aged rapidly on Genesis, he still had the standard vulcan lifespan ahead of him.
Boborci by Refuge5	Jan 23rd, 2009 10:59:14 AM
I'm a life long Trek fan - I cannot wait to see your movie!!! I'm trusting that it is respectful to Treks history but just what the world needs to put Trek on top and give it new life.... I enjoyed the comic also...
One way this new ST film will work.... by blatz	Jan 23rd, 2009 12:16:08 PM
is if the LOST Island is secretly a Borg station and will soon be seen orbiting Romulus. Man, that would explain a great many things in both story lines.
Kahn Not Affected!!!! by Achilles420	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:14:21 PM
The sequel better be Kahn V Kirk round 1. Maybe Kirk kills him to avoid Spocks death from Star Trek II WoK?
Real Deal by Lorquaine	Jan 23rd, 2009 01:22:55 PM
True, they wipe it out, but a supernova wouldn't actually destroy the planets, since the star's matter would be too heavily dispersed. It goes in all directions, and is not focused on specific planets. It may fry the planets with gamma rays, scorch the planet surface, maybe even alter the orbiting path a bit. But a super-supernova that destroys the complete Romulan Star Empire, thousands of lightyears across? Come on! The star's matter will be propelled beyond the originating solar system, but will be dispersed further. Still hundreds of lightyears to go until the next system. Only the gamma rays are relevant. And nobody can tell me that even a super-large star can go nova and emit gamma rays that completely destroy all ozone and as a result all (really? all?) life on planets 8000 lightyears away. Such a star would probably be so huge and heavy that it would already have turned into a black hole. At the moment, this STCountdown outset doesn't seem very convincing to me. Considering that the writers are so fixated on scientific accuracy for the new film, this is not very reassuring.
Re: Did "Enterprise" actually happen? by Bill Clay	Jan 23rd, 2009 03:09:47 PM
Ships and planets keep popping up that are named after Archer, so I guess it's an oblique nod that the events of "Enterprise" did occur. I do like the idea of having T'Pol cameo, she would still be alive during Spock's youth on Vulcan.
Voyager did encounter a big pile of nothing. by Smashing	Jan 23rd, 2009 03:12:30 PM
They called it series 2. Badum.
BOBORCI BOBORCI BOBORCI BOBORCI BOBORCI!! by EverythingEverywhereStinks	Jan 23rd, 2009 06:16:05 PM
I hope you get back here to read more comments, because I think this will be the only venue open to me so I can properly express my gratitude to you and the rest of the new "Star Trek Supreme Court!" I want to thank you so very much for reimagining Star Trek into something unrecognizable, then slapping a "time travel" label all over it so dummies can be fooled into thinking you know what you're doing. I also want to thank you and your boss Jar Jar for repeatedly telling me how camp and kitschy The Original Series was, and how it had to be euthanized and replaced by your superior vision of things. But best of all, I think special recognition for your skill at mangling science fiction/fantasy concepts has to go to the unique explanation you have given regarding "altered timelines." Only a master wordsmith could say that decades of history can be wiped out (that would be The Original Series era of Star Trek) only to have everything magically fixed by the time the future rolls around (that would be The Next Generation era). At the very least, you didn't resort to the trite phrase "A wizard did it!" and for that, you have my eternal gratitude. Joe Pesci bless you Bob. Joe Pesci bless you.
by Yelnick McWaWa	Jan 23rd, 2009 07:33:23 PM
Damn right@ Just what Trek needed, fans who actually know what they are doing unlike Rick Berman!
Didn't Data die? by syoreed	Jan 23rd, 2009 09:37:33 PM
I'm a nominal Trek fan, so excuse me if I missed something, but didn't Data blow up or something at the end of NEMESIS?
TNG crew didn't scale well by The McPoyle Clan	Jan 24th, 2009 09:33:55 AM
With the possible exception of Picard and Worf, the characters from TNG have had more cringe-worthy than good turns in the films. II/III were the zenith of the film series.
Re: "didn't Data blow up or something?" by Bill Clay	Jan 24th, 2009 01:30:57 PM
Yeah, he did. He blowed up real good! Probably Data's robot twin B-4 has spent the past 30 years integrating Data's personality into himself and has taken on Data's name. If the comic tries to somehow bring the original Data back from the dead, then it's shark jumping time.
Re: Re: "didn't Data blow up or something?" by syoreed	Jan 24th, 2009 04:13:24 PM
well, if it's all the same to the rest of Trek fandom, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Abrams has decided to undo the death of Data. My wife and I were miserable when Data died, and the possibility of it just not happening is an appealing one.
Re : Lorquaine by Real Deal	Jan 24th, 2009 04:15:34 PM
I'm guessing you are too familure with trhe power of a super Nova. http://www.windowpaneobservato ry.com/ask7.html From that page : " 2) A supernova is such a large cosmic event that when astronomers view supernovae in other galaxies, that exploding star sometime shines for several days with the brightness of 10 billion suns. The amount of energy released is equal to a small Big-Bang. Not only would any planet nearby be instantly vaporized, but asteroids, nebulae, and even other stars could be seriously compromised or vanish altogether. A supernova is the single most catastrophic event in the entire Universe. " So any planet in range wouldn't stand a chance and would be vaporized. So it really depends on how far away the planets are. certainly withing that system anything would become vapor. I haven't read the comic but yes SNs do vaporize planets.
Data by Redmantle	Jan 25th, 2009 04:28:35 PM
Maybe Data was experimenting in his tricked out lab on ways to "back up" his peronality subroutines and Jordi, missing his friend, uploaded those personality subroutines into that idiotic "B-4". Data is back, but he has mixed feelings about the embryonic consciousness that was B-4 now that Data's programs and memories have effectively written over B-4's. Who knows. It's possible. This is science fiction people.
IGNORE THE BORG by lynxpro	Jan 25th, 2009 08:01:11 PM
They are ripoffs of the Cybermen. Since we are revisiting TOS fresh with this potential franchise, focus on the Klingons.
Is it just me... by lynxpro	Jan 25th, 2009 08:11:49 PM
...or in the original continuity, shouldn't Kirk have fathered a ton of kick ass offspring and not that weenie character that got killed off in ST III which had absolutely no impact on the audience? Kirk should have fathered an epic son along the likes of Alexander the Great and not Brian Boitano (sic) with a cracker perm.
Turn this comic into an ANIMATED MOVIE! by Demode	Jan 26th, 2009 10:55:06 AM
The Matrix.... Batman.... Pitch Black... alot of these types of movies are getting into making "animated" movies to tie in with the movies. Why doesn't STAR TREK do the same? This story looks like its crying out for that treatment.
Oh, and while you are at it... by Demode	Jan 26th, 2009 11:42:04 AM
Wasn't there a plan in the 1980s to make a Wrath of Khan prequel with just Khan and the gang? It was suppose to be about when they settled on the planet, and what happened to them once they were trapped down there. I believe it was suppose to be called Demon Planet or something, and I'm pretty sure they wrote a script. That would make a cool animated TREK movie.

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