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Firsties...
by CobraKai
Jan 14th, 2009
09:07:38 AM
....
I haven't been motivated...
by RighteousBrother
Jan 14th, 2009
09:27:45 AM
to go an pick up my regular supply of comics for about a month now
Sometimes people refer to Garth Ennis by his first name...
by loodabagel
Jan 14th, 2009
09:34:36 AM
Like they're his friends, and I say to them, "Hey man, stop pretending you know the guy. It's weird." But they never seem to get the point. Don't you fall into that trap too, Humphrey Lee. It's a slippery slope that can only end in despair.
You know what's stupid?
by loodabagel
Jan 14th, 2009
09:36:07 AM
GI Joe snd TRansformers. What kind of idiot can really enjoy a crappy cartoon created to sell toys? Fuckin nerds.
Batman is dead
by most excellent ninja
Jan 14th, 2009
09:37:09 AM
http://handofmessi.blogspot.co m/
Where's the news about Samuel L. Jackson?
by Mr Incredible
Jan 14th, 2009
09:43:59 AM
Apparently talks between him and Marvel Studios have broken down, so you can count him out as Nick Fury in future Marvel films. For now. Didn't Marvel go through this before with Jon Favreau and Terrence Howard?
Final Exposition #6 is out today
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
09:51:53 AM
Man, if there's one thing I love seeing in epic super-hero cross-overs, it's characters standing around explaining things to other characters. Hey, Superman's back. How'd that happen? Guess you have to read Superman Beyond #2. Oh, wait, that doesn't come out for another week.
i shall check out this tigerheart...
by blackthought
Jan 14th, 2009
09:54:42 AM
i shall...secret six is wonderfully entertaining and damn lovable...
Thanks Messi
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
09:58:48 AM
Now I know there is no reason for me to drive forty minutes to the nearest comic shop today. What a boondoggled clusterfuck of mediocrity FC turned out to be.

And, baby, Bruce Wayne deserved way, way, way better than that.

It IS Chipotle day today, isn't it?
by Squashua
Jan 14th, 2009
10:01:38 AM
I love going to Chipotle on New Comics Day. Thanks for the reminder, Optimous.
Good reviews this week
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
10:08:45 AM
I'm going to take a look at the main ones and maybe even buy them... except for the the big eyes for the cape guy stuff because really... who cares?

Bug, I completely agree both on Walking Dead's current output and Kirkman's retarded manifesto.
Secret Six, Inhumans, Jackson
by Homer Sexual
Jan 14th, 2009
10:10:27 AM
Ok, this is very sad. Since Ultmate Fury clearly is Samuel L. Jackson, it is a bummer that talks broke down. Also surprising. Favreau is still onboard Iron Man 2, Howard is out because he is a total hard to work with prima donna, but the hardest working man in show business, the man who will appear in ANYTHING, couldn't be contracted? That is weird and worrisome.

Yes, Secret Six is the best book DC publishes, IMHO, and I buy like 18 DC books a month. (Incredible Hercules is my favorite Marvel).

I shall buy Inhumans based on this review, was on the fence last week. I am ambivalent about Abnett/Lanning. They can be great, but they're no Palmiotti/Grey (I will buy anything they do).

I came to AICN looking for the Jackson/Fury news, too.
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 14th, 2009
10:10:49 AM
Pretty major fuckup by Marvel Studios. It's one thing to replace Terrence Howard, but canning Sam Jackson? Way to kill off this whole shared movie universe thing before it gets past its infancy.
Don't worry too much about Jackson yet
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
10:13:48 AM
Fat lady still hasn't sung her money song yet.
hahaha Final Exposition.
by most excellent ninja
Jan 14th, 2009
10:41:07 AM
great.
Fuck Sam Jackson anyway
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
10:41:51 AM
Is there a dude with LESS discerning taste when it comes to picking film projects?
Jonah Hex
by Homer Sexual
Jan 14th, 2009
10:51:25 AM
Last week's Jonah Hex had an unusually good story, even for this book, which is the prime example of effectively using single issue stories. The most recent issue actually speaks to current political situations without being heavy handed, obvious or preachy. My only caveat is that the art, while very pretty, is in spots confusing, hard to tell exactly what is going on.
Fear Itself and War of Kings look like definite
by Snookeroo
Jan 14th, 2009
10:58:51 AM
issues to pick up. Thanks for the reviews -- good stuff there.

BTW, Joenathan -- thanks for suggesting Brubaker's Captain America ominibus; it is a shining example of what comics can (and should) be in the right hands. I'm only about a third of the way through, but wow.

I also picked up GL Sinestro War, which just wasn't my cup of tea. Stars Wars meets splatter movie...meh.
Snook
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
11:08:44 AM
You can't be a Cap fan and not love what Bru is doing. He broke Marvel's golden rule, what should have been the worst comic gimmick of all time, but somehow.... pure awesome.

He's been great on Daredevil, too. Also, his creator owned stuff: Sleeper is cool. Criminal is great crime noir and Incognito is awesome. A supervillian in witness protection. The first issue was last week, sold out like crazy.
I'm kind of with you on GL
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
11:10:22 AM
I want to like it, but... my attention keeps drifting, I put down the trade and wander off, eventually come back and read for a bit... its just not grabbing and I'm trying. The DC-ness, the stuff that makes DC DC, is just too much maybe.

Plus... no pockets.
$3.99 Price tag for Punisher #1 was bogus
by guerillakarma
Jan 14th, 2009
11:13:58 AM
I thought $3.99 for this issue was terrible seeing that it was only a single sized story w/ extra pages for character history and notable stories.
I can't stand Scott Kolins art.
by The_joker
Jan 14th, 2009
11:24:04 AM
I was almost swayed into buying Grundy until I saw that he did the art. It's just messy, and totally ruined Rogues Revenge for me.
GL
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
11:41:40 AM
You know, I've just read every hc collection of Johns' run, back-to-back, up to the conclusion of the Sinestro Corps War, and seriously, as someone who's never given a fuck about GL, it was terrific. Not just Sinestro Corps, but the whole run, very much a continuing story where every piece affects every other piece.

Like every other sane person, I love Bru's Captain America, too, although I feel like the big arc ended in basically a whimper instead of a big climax. And in everything that followed 'The Death of Captain America' there's a tendency for the issues to seem very repetitious: hard to distinguish them from one another, and the story seemed to be stalling for time for a while. Still a great run, of course, but I think GL built to dramatic climaxes and awesome moments much better. Bru's Daredevil kicks the living shit out of Bendis' version. It's amazing how much of Bendis' crap Bru was able to fix and reconcile while still telling good stories.

Bru Daredevil
by steverodgers
Jan 14th, 2009
11:48:33 AM
Is the bees knees. If anyone is digging it, and they haven't already they should check out his/Rucka Gotham Central run, which has a similar feel and the Lark art. Lart!
But...
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
11:54:50 AM
Bru's Daredevil depended upon Bendis's in order to tell those great stories. I don't think Bru "fixed" anything. I think more so, its the best example of the seamless transition between two creators with a similiar, and yet still unique, view of a character. I think its the best example of the serial nature of comics, not just with the story, but with the people behind the scenes.
Thank You The_Joker
by optimous_douche
Jan 14th, 2009
11:55:02 AM
I've always thought something was wrong with me for thinking RR was a hairy mess on the art side. People praise his work left and right and I just did not get it.

I will say though, Grundy is a departuer from his usual style. I went in with your mindset and I'll say the man did surprise me.

Joenathan
by most excellent ninja
Jan 14th, 2009
12:04:19 PM
depends what GL trade you are reading. The johns stuff really kicked off in the One Year later arc. The stuff before it helps you get to know it. i felt the same way but then I started to realize this may be some of the best comics i've ever read. The GL Corps stuff is good from the miniseries and the first ongoing issue. It's not DC-ness. If anything it's very much like Star Wars. but you don't like star wars huh? Try read it all, even if you download it, because you might regret the fact that sinestro corps war is the best superhero story ever written. but you need to read the stuff before it to enjoy it at it's full potential.
Bru / Bendis
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
12:20:44 PM
No, I don't think he needed Bendis' run in order to tell his great stories. It's just that in solving the problems left over from Bendis' run (the ridiculous legalistic, secret-identity stuff/ the boring, flat character of Mila who is a textbook illustration of lazy writing/ the Kingpin...). If none of that stuff had happened, yes, the plots of Brubaker's opening two years would be different, but I have no doubt the stories would have been great regardless.
I don't like Kolins either
by Homer Sexual
Jan 14th, 2009
12:21:00 PM
He was weak back on the old Avengers, and I didn't even check out Rogues' Revenge because I don't like his art.

BTW, was Piper in Rogues' Revenge? I was re-reading some of Countdown (yeah, everyone hated it) and the Piper/Trickster storyline was very good, as was the Holly/Harley arc. Now, whatever happened to Piper and Harley? I do not know.

Man, the people at my LCS have frequently recommended the SinestroCorps stuff to me, but I never liked Hal Jordan (I agree that he does have a personality, it just doesn't appeal to me), I agree with Joenathan that GL is very "DC" and not in a good way. But then, I do not like Star Wars. Never have, was 16 when the first one came out. Thought the first trilogy was ok, but didn't get into it. And I don't think I would get into GL either. I am one of those who would only get into it if it was really off the wall imaginative, and it appears to be more semi-militaristic. Many people obviously like that stuff, but I am not one of them.

Laserhead,
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
12:32:33 PM
but then you're talking about vagueries, so... who knows... Anything could have happened. So, I think that if Bendis's stories hadn't existed, Bru would have turned out to be a scarred, eye patch wearing version of himself where instead of writing Daredevil, he's writing propaganda for an oppressive evil empire of invading aliens in a dark, twisted mirror version of the world...

Thank GOD for Bendis...
GL
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
12:35:42 PM
Can someone print the list of Johns GL stuff in order? I'm pretty sure I've picked up the first trade, but...

I've heard nothing but good about the series, but... meh... maybe its my extreme hatred for non-human species...

Plus, do you think the GLs stink? All they ever wear is their uniform. Eating, fighting, lounging... full costume and mask. You never see them change or have street clothes... nope, mask on, all the time. I bet the GL cafeteria smells awful.
I don't think so, Joe
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
01:15:54 PM
I'm not talking vagueries at all. The secret identity, the imprisonment, Mila. Three very specific things that Bru had to write a way out of, and did so with stories that make Bendis' look like the watered-down daytime soap that it was. Saying he paved the way for Brubaker is like saying Chuck Austen really set things up for the writer who took over Uncanny X-Men after him.

GL collections list: No Fear, Revenge of the Green Lanterns, Wanted-Hal Jordan, Sinestro Corps War vol.1-3-- you read them back to back and, damn, that's good comics. Also the GL uniform is not made of fabric, but plasma, so no body odor.

Reusing images and titles...
by Err
Jan 14th, 2009
01:26:40 PM
How many times is Marvel going to reuse the image of the punisher looking down the barrel of a gun? And how many comics are going to reuse the title: "Fear Itself"?
All Super-Heroes have pockets
by Continentalop
Jan 14th, 2009
01:27:17 PM
We just don't see them. It's an artist interpretation thing. Superman has a pocket in his cape, Batman has pockets in his utility belt, Green Lantern’s pockets are in sub-space (no, really), Spider-Man must have pockets inside his costume (I remember him leaving money to a camera store for film once), the FF have pockets (the Thing had money for a cab once) and all Avengers have pockets since they used to always be able to whip out there Avengers ID card. I remember the “Defenders for a Day” story where Hercules whipped out his ID card, just didn’t see where he kept it.

The real question is why do superheroes not want you to know they have pockets?

no, by vagueries
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
01:32:48 PM
I mean, you have no idea what type of story Bru would have told in lieu of following Bendis, so its a moot point. You can't judge these non-existant stories as good or bad because, well... they don't exist. So you have to go off the facts and the fact is, he built beautifully off of Bendis's lead and has created some of the better work Daredevil has seen in years and that character work is dependant upon Matt having been outed publically AND marrying Milla. The Prison storyline and The Mister Fear storyline would never have existed without Bendis setting up the pieces for Bru to knock down.

As for your Austen metaphor, I didn't read his run, so I couldn't say if it was a similiar situation or not.
pockets
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
01:36:29 PM
With MArvel, the no pockets doesn't bother me, because most of them regularly wear street clothes. With DC though, its like the majority of them put on their costume and thats it... all costume, all the time... so, what if GL wants a soda, does he use his power ring to steal one? Its just seems like a waste of ring energy to create a special pocket when he could have just worn normal pants...

Plasma? Really? So... if their power ring dies they're naked? So every dead GL, is not only dead, but when their ring takes off, it adds the indignity of being dead and nude? The GLs live in a harsh, harsh world, man.
Also,
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
01:37:40 PM
I think we all know where Hercules keeps his ID card.

Gross
Also, also
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
01:39:13 PM
Why does Hercules need and ID card, who cards him at Avengers Mansion? Does Jarvis turn him or the others away without their ID cards? "Mr. President, You have to listen to me!"

"Uh... yeah... Cap... how about we see a little ID first, alright?"
Avengers ID
by steverodgers
Jan 14th, 2009
01:47:33 PM
You need those to get into the V.I.P room as well as any of Hawkeyes barbecues. "Sorry Herc, until I see your ID no tasty burgers for you!" Also where did Tigra keep her ID, and why does it have hair on it...
Avengers ID Card
by Continentalop
Jan 14th, 2009
01:51:12 PM
You get a lot of perks with an Avengers ID Card:

1 - Access to Avengers Mansion (it's like a key card).

2 - Proof to legal authorities that you are a member of the Avengers, or were a member (remember, a shit load of people were members - it is hard to keep track). Plus Captain America once flashed it to a custom's agent in his secret identity of Steve Rogers so the guy would let him board a flight.

3 - It acts as a mini-computer, and the photo picture can become a monitor.

4 -And best yet, it acts as a credit card! With a $100,000 limit if I remember right.

Avengers ID card. Don't leave home without it.

Finally...
by Continentalop
Jan 14th, 2009
01:53:09 PM
A lot of places require two forms of ID if you want to cash a check, so it is good to have.
Cardboard Gods: Like a crappy DVD extra
by eggart
Jan 14th, 2009
02:08:05 PM
except on the internet
$100,000?
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
02:13:13 PM
No wonder Hawkeye can throw so many BBQs... I bet Hercules eats a ton... and then gets drunk and pukes in the pool... poor Jarvis. I bet he secretly hates the Avengers.
I'm sure Guy Gardner has pockets, at least.
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 14th, 2009
02:37:58 PM
He's got that vest, you know. I bet it's a real, physical vest too, 'cause that's how Guy rolls.
Not at all vague:
by SleazyG.
Jan 14th, 2009
03:02:04 PM
Bendis is a hack writer who sucked really, really hard on DD, like he does on almost everything. Brubaker is a very good writer who took over DD from Bendis and transformed it from a lousy book to a good one. It is therefore likely enough to be a mathematical certainty that if Brubaker took over after a shitty run and wrote a good one, he could also have written a good run after anyone else's run, good or bad. Are we to believe that if Dan Slott was writing beforehand, or Bruce Jones for that matter, Brubaker's run would somehow have been no good? That's just stupid. He's a good writer writing a good run. Who came before or comes after is beyond irrelevant; the quality of the work speaks for itself and stands on its own.
thats right, thats right...
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
03:02:40 PM
If I remember right, I believe that and his old leather jacket are the reason he was known as the "edgy" DC hero.

Of course... he also used to wear his jeans TUCKED in his cowboy boots...
Well, no one should read Austen's run...
by Laserhead
Jan 14th, 2009
03:03:04 PM
...on anything. All I meant by that is that a bad writer can write bad stories and then when a good writer takes over and cleans up the bad situations created by the bad writing, the first writer doesn't deserve credit. Bru just solved the problems created by Bendis' bad writing beautifully.
to many unknown variables, Sleazy.
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
03:04:20 PM
Like I said: Without Bendis, Bru is scarred and wearing an eyepatch in a twisted mirror universe version of our World. Hell, maybe he even (gasp) has a goatee!

The world is soooo lucky to have Bendis.
So therefore, Laser...
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
03:05:30 PM
We were lucky to have Bendis around so that his "bad" stories would force Bru to shine!
Tawny
by steverodgers
Jan 14th, 2009
03:38:05 PM
Can we all agree, that next to Rocket Raccoon, he is the most bad ass talking animal out there with a jet pack? Just read first 6 issues of FC and Tawny just might have made the whole thing worth it. That shit was awesome.
Werewolf by Night
by dogrobber
Jan 14th, 2009
03:58:46 PM
Did anyone else think that the first issue of 'Werewolf' was realy similar to the recent BBC 'Jekyll' series (main character locking himself away during change, keeping secret from family, both personalities communicating with each other, mysterious organization tracking protagonist, etc.)?
I really liked Jekyll
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
04:03:14 PM
Really cool and subtle effects were used for his change.
Why do people do this?
by The_joker
Jan 14th, 2009
04:11:29 PM
Ok, I was just at my local comic shop and along with the regulars I was greeted by a bunch of new and frightned faces. Who were these new folks? Just your local horde of news followers looking for the latest under ordered issue of The Amazing Obama feat. Spider Man. Besides the fact that you have the non regulars buying copies, you also have the Ebay fanboy douchebags who are buying multiple copies to make a quick buck. I know I'm ranting about something stupid, but whenever I see something like this it evokes memories of the mass hysteria that was The Death of Superman. I personally don't really collect for value, I'm just looking for good stories to read, so I guess I just get more irriatated when my local comic shop shop is invaded by idiots who are out for the latest gimmick event, and are willing to pay 50 or 60 dollars for a book that you will probably be able to get for less than 10 6 months from now. Ok, I've vented, I feel better.
Werewolf by Night?
by The Reluctant Austinite
Jan 14th, 2009
04:15:07 PM
I got to get back to my local comic book store!
Less than 10?
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
04:21:52 PM
Less than a $1.

It amazes me how people have equated comics with automatic money in 20 years. Every once in a while a friend will talk about this and I'll explain all the retard shit that comes along with, or has to happen for, the comic to even double cover price and then I laugh at the look on their faces.

A long time ao I was working in a comic shop when DV8 #1 came out with the 8 different covers came out and this google-eyed son of a bitch came in and bought 24 copies! 24! 1 batch for keeping, 1 batch for re-sale and 1 batch for reading. "You know, traditionally (as shown by the Gen 13 overs) the female-centric covers get the most resale value."

Asswipe. I hope he enjoys 24 copies of the same crappy comic drawn by Ramos...
Werewolf (again)
by dogrobber
Jan 14th, 2009
04:24:05 PM
I forgot to type that while I haven't liked any of Mr. Swierczynski's comic writing up until now (although I like his novels) I did really enjoy 'Werewolf' (along with 'Secret Six' and 'Grundy').
I forgot about the Obama/Spider-man thing.
by The Reluctant Austinite
Jan 14th, 2009
04:28:01 PM
Actually, I think it's a pretty cool publicity stunt, but I'm sure it's already sold out. It would be annoying if you worked in a comic book store to see all the "newbies" come in today for just that one thing thay will never set foot in your store again unless something crazy happens (like Batman dies or something). And the phone calls! I bet the phone is ringing off the hook at comic stores today.
@ Austinite, yes the phone was ringing off
by The_joker
Jan 14th, 2009
04:35:38 PM
The Hook. My local comic shop owner said it was mainly women calling and asking about it.
Real world cross-overs
by Joenathan
Jan 14th, 2009
04:41:42 PM
have always felt like longer versions of those old hostess apple pie ads to me, the ones where Spider-man helps get a little league team's hostess pies back from Dr. Doom who has stolen them and then they all eat some pie... Why do people even want that kind of thing? (a real world cross-over, that is, believe me, I understand why people want pie... mmmm... pie...) Whats the point? Its not like the art is spectacular, nor will the story be anything cool and I'm positive Obama is more charismatic in real life... Its like thos late night USA up all night soft core pornos... no boobs, no sex, horrible acting and story... why do these things exist?
My fav: Superman VS Muhammad Ali!
by The Reluctant Austinite
Jan 14th, 2009
05:04:30 PM
That's a real world cross-over via Neil Adams! I wish they'd bring back those oversize Marvel Treasury editions for stuff like that. My childhood favorite was the "Superman VS Spider-man" book.
Dogrobber
by toxicbuddha
Jan 14th, 2009
05:08:55 PM
No offense, mate, but you just described the plot line from any split personality monster story ever told that was worth a tinker's dam. Similarities in the genre are inevitable.
Here's what I'm going to do--
by The Reluctant Austinite
Jan 14th, 2009
05:48:38 PM
I see that the varient cover of the Obama/Spider-Man issue sold out everywhere in minutes this morning and is already getting $60 to $80 online. I'm going to drive to my local comic store, bust in acting all exasperated saying I've been all over town looking for something just to get the clerk going, then I'm going to ask for that "Werewolf by Night" book.
The world just ended!!
by gooseud
Jan 14th, 2009
06:08:26 PM
I agree with Joe on pretty much everything: 1. I realize GL is good. I'm not saying it isnt. But.....I just cant get into it. Ive tried many times, and it was ok, but....ehhhhh. I cant explain it, I dont even know what I dont like about it. I loved Annhilation and Nova (still do). MAybe its just too DC for me? Maybe its that the characters are pretty much frozen in amber more then any other comic I've read? (Guy Gardener, that trainer guy Lantern, even Hal, have been using the same 3 catchphrases/personality tics forEVER). Dunno......(shrugs). However, best comic story ever told?!!? WTF? Have you READ the first 30 issues or so of Starman? 2. My pull list has been gradually shrinkng for months now, but it looks like some things are coming out that are actually cool, god forbid. That Inhumans thing sounds pretty bad ass. 3. Say what you will about Kirkman's manifesto, but Walking Dead has been killin it since he left Marvel. The unfocused moments of the past appear to be gone for now. I also can never remember a longer "death watch" then Rick in that series, reading every issue beng absolutely sure that this s the one where Rick is gonna bite it.
Oh, and.......
by gooseud
Jan 14th, 2009
06:11:14 PM
Bru is God. Not only did he pull off the cardinal sin of bringing back the one character who can never come back, but made him a total fucking bad-ass as well who rocks the shit. AND hes banging one of the hottest chicks in comics, thus solving my one problem with Steve Rogers, in that he didnt use the costume to get nearly as much high level poon as he could have.
Speaking of spending ridiculous amounts of $$
by Snookeroo
Jan 14th, 2009
06:23:14 PM
for a comic book -- after many, many years of comic collecting I just bought the crown jewel of my collection: Action #26 in near-mint condition.

Yes, it was a stupid amount of money and I'll probably never spend that kind of cash on a comic again. But I've always wanted one of the early, early issues -- and by golly, I got one. Finally.

Just wanted to share some comic book zen with geek brethren.
Werewolf By Night locking himself up
by Continentalop
Jan 14th, 2009
06:44:19 PM
I haven't seen Jeckyll, but I will say that Jack Russell has been locking himself in a cage and manacling himself during the full moon for decades. I remember the old Spider-Woman comics, one of the last issues, where Jessica Drew watches him bind himself for the night only to be kidnapped under her nose by the Locksmith.

Nerd memories.

the truth about Secret 6...
by sonnyhooper
Jan 14th, 2009
06:48:14 PM
.....is that Bane has no depth of personality. i don't care if Gail Simone, or Alan Moore, or even William fracking Faulkner is writing the character. Bane is nothing but a bad plot device in search of a plot line.

don't get me wrong, simone is great, the six are great, it's just bane that sucks. he always has, he always will. i just hope writers stop using this 'roid taking, mexican wrestling reject sometime soon.

Yeah that Spiderman Obama thing
by Series7
Jan 14th, 2009
08:11:13 PM
I saw the final copy sell in my Comic book store and he said that the phone had been ringing all day. I should have asked how many copies he got.
I dont care about that Obama Spidey comic
by the milf lover
Jan 14th, 2009
09:06:34 PM
and wont buy it. But I hope for those who do that it's actually a good story worth paying the extra cash for. Unlike that stupid Colbert backup they did during New Ways To Die.

By the way, Rob Liefeld is gonna have Obama appear in Youngblood too, better reserve your copy now!

Secret Six
by Ogre
Jan 14th, 2009
11:08:26 PM
Don't Ask.. Just Buy it!
What the fuck
by Series7
Jan 15th, 2009
02:08:50 AM
Happened to the Twelve?
milf - spidey/obama
by optimous_douche
Jan 15th, 2009
06:21:26 AM
It wasn't a good story at all...
What happened to the 12...
by Ambush Bug
Jan 15th, 2009
06:51:12 AM
...is the same thing that happens to every JMS project. Out of the gates like a horse on fire, but then here come the delays for one reason or another. I thought the twelve was going to be different. JMS promised it was going to be different. Turns out, not so much.
Ugh.
by BangoSkank
Jan 15th, 2009
06:58:34 AM
The Obama issue is selling for $130+ on Amazon, I wonder how many people are willing to actually pay that?

I just got the latest issue of Old Man Logan, and have to say that it's the title I now most look forward to.

Just added the War of Kings one-shot, don't let me down Rock-Me.....

Also, I dropped Walking Dead during the extended prison storyline to trade-wait, and bitterly regret the decision.... I guess that's what happens when you make the choice to cut some of the fat from your pull list, sometimes you trim some muscle by mistake.

Walking Dead-Untradeable
by gooseud
Jan 15th, 2009
08:17:27 AM
In my humble opinion, Walkng Dead is one of the most un-trade-waitable comics out there. Half the fun is the cliffhangers!! Having to wait to see what happens next issue is absolutely part of what is cool about the book. Instant gratification, in this instance, is a bad thing.
The Twelve
by gooseud
Jan 15th, 2009
08:19:17 AM
Yeah WTF happened there? I never liked as much as your guys (the ideas were never quite as revolutionary as everyone thought, nothing I hadnt seen before) but it was cool enough, pretty entertaining. Maybe they will do what they do with all JMS stuff: have other creators start coming in to do one-shots to make everyone think the series hasnt completely stalled.
The Twelve
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
10:04:15 AM
that was my last one from JMS. I've always liked his ideas (if not, much like J.J. Abrams, his execution) but he's just such an unreliable fuck up when it comes to the wrap up. This series was the last chance for me, if he actually got it all out and it didn't fizzle, I'd still buy his stuff, but now... Liefeld, Winnick, Claremont, Byrne, Waid, Loeb AND... JMS... done.
If you owned a comic book store
by The Reluctant Austinite
Jan 15th, 2009
10:21:11 AM
it would seem you shouldn't have sold the Obama/Spider-man comic to anybody but your best and loyal customers. Fuck the public. You could just take your whole order to ebay or Amazon and make out like a bandit before the second printing comes out. In these economic times, I wouldn't hold it against anyone who did that.
Walking Dead
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
10:29:02 AM
I really liked the Prison lull, I think shit like that is important in a zombie story, make the characters feel safe, let them drive each other crazy and them just when shits about to blow up inside, you destroy their shelter and send them back out into the world. It makes the outside, overrun with zombies world seem that much more dangerous. Plus, and this is the REALLY important part, it highlights the fact the most dangerous thing in a zombie tale is not the monster without, its the monster within. So, if I had a complaint about Walking Dead, its that sometimes the characters get a little speechy and that the dialogue sometimes falls a little flat as a result, BUT... this is a small quibble when taken against the whole.

the manifesto was stupid though, and if Walking Dead has improved since this decree of his, it really only shows that the only person's creativity stifled by the Big Two's system was Kirkman himself.
Yeah, Bango
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
10:29:49 AM
We're Old Man Logan buddies!
DC-ness
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
10:38:54 AM
I think it is that trapped in amber feeling, you know? I love these characters, always have, but I don't feel the connect, in general, with DC characters that I do with Marvel, so when reading GL, its cool in wham, pow, boom kind of way, but I feel like I'm at arms length. I'd take Connor Hawke versus the Key over it anyday though, because I felt a character connection that went beyond the mask and beyond the "cool", you know? I think thats why I'm just not as into GL, despite how well done it is.
Green LAntern
by gooseud
Jan 15th, 2009
03:03:40 PM
I think it might be the undefned nature of the powers.....I mean, your power is you can basically contruct anything your mind can imagine. Thats cool and all, it really is, but.....II dunno, in execution its a little vague for me. I realize I am in the vast minority here
Joenathan, RE=DC-ness.
by Continentalop
Jan 15th, 2009
03:22:36 PM
I agree with you about DC having a “trapped in amber” feeling (although I don’t mind this as I will explain later) but I also feel that Marvel has let a little DC-Ness creep in. Not so much in the characters (thank Stan) but in the Universe. It is becoming almost as big as mess as DC was pre-Crisis (or now again) with alternate version of the characters and storylines that don’t meld well with the rest of the Universe. I mean you have the Ultimate version of every character and the Marvel Zombies and Ultimate Powers series have shown that those are connected to Earth-616. It is like Earth 1, 2, 3, S, X and all the other Infinite Earths of DC’s Multi-Verse. I don’t mind alternate or parallel timelines, it has been a mainstay of Marvel comics since almost the beginning, but I just think that certain versions should be kept as far apart as possible. I mean I can already see a potential Earth-616 Spider-Man meeting the Ultimate Spider-Man. Do we really need that cross-over?

As for DC, I don’t mind the DC-ness; I actually I prefer the characters to have “DC-ness” (sounds like a bad disease) instead of Marvel-ness they suffer from now. For me the classic DC characters just work better when they are less like “real people” (whatever that means) and act more like they were meant to be, over-sized action heroes or paragons of virtue. I think DC went down the wrong track when they tried to give their characters more “depth” and personal problems in an attempt to imitate That isn’t to say you can’t update these characters or portray them in a way that is relevant to today’s audience, but I just don’t think you need to make them parodies of Marvel characters.

Plus, I think any attempts to have continuity in DC are almost doomed to begin with. Everyone has their own favorite period in the DC universe, and their own personal preference on how a character was portrayed. Once again, Marvel was designed from the beginning to have continuity and be one shared universe, DC less so. It doesn’t surprise me that one of the best DC titles in the last couple of years, All-Star Superman, takes place outside of continuity.

well
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
03:31:35 PM
"I mean I can already see a potential Earth-616 Spider-Man meeting the Ultimate Spider-Man. Do we really need that cross-over?"

You can see it happening, sure, but it HASN'T happened yet, so I just file that under the "hopefully it won't" file and keep on trucking.

Ugh... paragons of virtue... no thanks... give me flawed hero in search of redemption any day of the week, man.

That right there could probably be the defining difference in our tastes...
Joenathan
by Continentalop
Jan 15th, 2009
03:57:32 PM
I think you misunderstand what I was saying. Personally, I am a much bigger Marvel fan, and prefer the flawed heroics of Spider-Man, the FF and the rest, but I also admire the DC heroes when they are allowed to be DC heroes. I don't think any less of them as characters; I just think they work better when they are portrayed as the elite-sometimes-infuriating-ov erachievers instead of flawed Everymen.

Plus I think people underestimate the power of “static” characters who are paragons of virtue, representing a kind of perfect or elite champions. The best comparison I can give is in detective/espionage/crime fiction. Sherlock Holmes, Philip Marlowe, James Bond, Parker, Dirty Harry, Columbo and even Monk are all well-rounded characters with interesting personalities and a strong moral code; they are also all static characters in that they don’t really change from story-to-story. Martin Beck, the cops from the 82nd precinct, Detective Andy Sipowicz, Tony Soprano, Jason Bourne, Jack Bauer, Detective Vic Mackey, all of these characters are also well-rounded, but they are far from perfect. They are flawed people who undergo change during the course of their stories and sometimes fail.

I think you would be hard pressed to say one type of character from one list is intrinsically better than a character from another list. They are just different types of characters; same with Marvel versus DC characters. You might prefer one type to another, but it doesn’t make the other invalid or any less interesting. I personally prefer the flaw characters of Martin Scorsese's films, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a archetypical hero like Indy in the Raider's movies or James Bond.

I wasn't talking about DC
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
04:03:01 PM
just the character type, otherwise... sure, sounds good.
DC
by steverodgers
Jan 15th, 2009
04:06:44 PM
Has the ace in the hole though, Batman. His character is made even more awesome by the "DC-ness" of everyone else. He is a mortal among unchanging gods, and he is still the baddest of the bunch. I'll always be a Marvel guy, but I can appreciate how Batman can at times single handedly raise the quality of the entire DC Universe. It doesn't seem to be getting a lot of love, but I thought Batman taking out Darkseid, who is a God, in Final Crisis was incredibly apt, and once again shows why you don't mess with Bruce Wayne.
Morrison's JLA Batman
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
04:26:48 PM
That was my favorite. Batman versus the White MArtians? Awesome.
Punching above their weight class
by dead-battery
Jan 15th, 2009
05:06:35 PM
Steve: good point re: Batman making the DC universe cooler - because it is so overstuffed with god like heros and villains - and not so friendly to the underpowered types with pockets and utility belts (RIP, Ted Kord. Never Second String) - it makes it 10 times better when Bruce kicks ass. Example: There was a JLA story where white martians pretended to be super powered aliens out to help save the human race - but, of course, up to no good (going to suck all the energy outta the earth or something evil like that). JLA figures it out and assaults the white martian base - every one - Flash, Supes, Wonderwoman, etc., get their asses kicked and captured, except Batman whose plane crashed in the battle and snuck away. The head white martian baddy decides to forget about him on the basis that "he's just human." Of course, at that moment - you (as well as the other JLA'ers who now know Bats got away) realize these Martians are f*ing doomed but just don't know it yet. You just get to sit back and watch the fun. It was way better than if superman took them down. Sometimes less powerful characters are more interesting. There really is not an equivalent "name" character in Marvel U - because it has a lot more of these lesser powered types who punch way above their weight class,i.e., Punisher, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Captain America, Wolverine. I mean Cap. could, if he was having a good day, take down Galactus; also it's not like anyone would every underestimate him, i.e., in Ultimates when the bunch of super powered baddies in the room with him realize that he's awake and they are well and truly screwed.
Dead-Battery, great analogy
by Continentalop
Jan 15th, 2009
05:45:44 PM
I was already thinking of superheroes as boxers, wrestlers or mixed-martial artist and breaking them up depending on their weight class. I always loved when guys fight someone in a different weight class, be it Randy Couture versus Brock Lesnar or Captain America versus Dragon Man. It makes a very interesting match-up (and of course, everyone loves an underdog).

My only complaint against Batman is that as a “normal” man, he has won so many supposedly one-sided fights it no longer works as a surprise. I mean, he defeated Superman – how are any of us surprised when he defeats Darksied if he can defeat the Man of Steel?

That is one thing I always loved about Marvel, the fact that the lightweights often do lose to the bigger and tougher characters, it is the fact that they put up a fight is what is so admirable (kind of like the first Rocky). Like when Daredevil fought Sub-Mariner – clearly outclassed but Sub-Mariner had to admire DD for even trying. Or Captain America, who though he has beaten a lot of tougher characters, has also lost some fights against opponents that clearly outclass him. I remember in the Korvac Saga when Cap was one of the last heroes left and started punching Korvac, telling him he wants him to remember that he was beaten by just a “normal man” – sure Korvac disintegrated him minutes later, but you had to admire Cap’s moxie and balls, and it did inspire Simon Williams to stop whining about his fear of death and attack Korvac.

I personally would love a story where Batman fights a clearly more powerful opponent and gets his ass-kicked. Not because I hate Batman, but just to remind us how human he really is. Of course, you could then have a rematch with the villain thinking the outcome will be the same, not realizing that Batman always learns from his mistakes…

like...
by Joenathan
Jan 15th, 2009
05:56:18 PM
spidey versus Juggernaut
Joenanthan
by Continentalop
Jan 15th, 2009
06:05:23 PM
Spidey versus Juggernaut is another great example. I loved the fact he didn't beat Juggernaut or bring him to justice, he only "inconvenienced" him by sinking him in 40-feet of wet cement.

I never did like...
by Continentalop
Jan 15th, 2009
06:07:11 PM
Spidey versus Firelord.
Catch Phrases: thats two!
by gooseud
Jan 15th, 2009
07:28:43 PM
1. "Wolverine got the buttsechs" 2. "Trapped in amber". Gimme my due credit bitches, and don't worry, I'll have another bad ass phrase ready for next week's column! E-CRED IN DA HOUSE!!!
GL Vs. Batman
by gooseud
Jan 15th, 2009
07:35:28 PM
Personally I loved how Batman gave Jordan shit, although since it was GL's title, Bats was made to look like a douche. GL could obviously beat his ass (like create a giant fucking green birdcage or whatever, or punch him with a 25 foot green boxing glove.....wait, what do his powers do again?) which seemed to concern Batman not in the slightest. The all time best man vs. god moment was the attack on Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet when all the other heroes have fallen and Cap just walks right up to Thanos like "Whats up now bitch" and Thanos is like "Your Kidding" and Cap is like "Fuck no I'm not, you fuckin hoser, your ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower, plus that lame-ass Gauntlet looks like your wearing a gay pride flag", that was the shit. Granted, Thanos then killed him in like 0.7 of a second, but that shows why Cap is second only to Batman in the bad-ass rankings (I prefer to think of them as 1 and 1A, personally).
Batman #1 in bad-ass ranking.
by Continentalop
Jan 16th, 2009
01:14:54 AM
It is interesting how you ranked Cap as only be second to Batman (even if by just a little) because of their ability to confront god-like beings, because to me the guy in Marvel most like Batman and shares his ability to take on much more powerful foes is not a hero like Captain America, but a villain: Doctor Victor Von Doom.

Sure Cap is willing to take on someone much more powerful then himself, but that is because he is brave and has certain ideals he will stand up for, not because he actually has a chance. Batman and Doom, however, when they take on a much more powerful foe they usually have a plan or are smart enough that you think "Shit. They could win this." I mean, look at whom they have faced off against: Batman took on Superman, Darksied, White Martians; Dr. Doom took on Galactus, Thanos, Mephisto and even the Beyonder. These are two mortals able to take God-like beings down a peg or two.

Mephisto, of course, is...
by Joenathan
Jan 16th, 2009
09:14:02 AM
just kidding
I really liked Batman vs. Predator
by Joenathan
Jan 16th, 2009
09:15:10 AM
That was a good time book.
Howard the Duck Vs. The Abombination
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 17th, 2009
04:41:38 PM
Blonsky had him until Howard reached the remote and switched on his horrible George Lucas movie.

"My eyes!" screamed Blonsky, running off into the Marvel Universe.

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