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PRISON BREAK Cancelled!! Moore's VIRTUALITY Recut!! J.J.'s FRINGE ‘A Keeper’!! News From Fox Network TCA Panel!!

Dr. Horribles by dalbatron	Jan 13th, 2009 03:19:53 PM
Rocks!!
Surprise, surprise... by DisneyFanatic	Jan 13th, 2009 03:20:59 PM
There was only so much they could have done after breaking out of prison.
first?? by FamousEccles	Jan 13th, 2009 03:21:09 PM
also Prison Break was only meant for one season - so not bad
Prison Break by dalbatron	Jan 13th, 2009 03:21:10 PM
Oh dear, never saw it, any good?
Way to go, dalbatron... by DisneyFanatic	Jan 13th, 2009 03:22:18 PM
So continues the trend that the first post has absolutely nothing to do with the article at hand.
not first :( by FamousEccles	Jan 13th, 2009 03:22:37 PM
PB was a lame duck after season two and neutering T-Bag
btw, what happened to latinoreview? by FamousEccles	Jan 13th, 2009 03:23:39 PM
where's it gone?
Toldya it'll play out the 13 episodes by buffywrestling	Jan 13th, 2009 03:28:26 PM
Cancelled in whatever
Prison Break not that bad this year... by turketron	Jan 13th, 2009 03:41:39 PM
Granted, I didn't catch up with most of the episodes until the Christmas holidays because I was watching Heroes on Monday nights instead, but season 4 is pretty entertaining. Hopefully they give it a satisfying end.
Glad to see 'Fringe' extended! by DrAstroZoom	Jan 13th, 2009 03:41:56 PM
Now go get Denethor some French onion soup!
Whedon gets ASS-RAPED AGAIN! by SkidMarkedUndies	Jan 13th, 2009 03:43:29 PM
It's FIREFLY REDUX!
Whedon by Drebin	Jan 13th, 2009 03:44:59 PM
Maybe if he made something really good, it would merit staying on TV, maybe even a non-Friday timeslot. Don't understand why everybody on this site puts the kneepads on for him.
why does he keep going back to Satan by FamousEccles	Jan 13th, 2009 03:48:54 PM
- I mean Fox???
"A little dense" for Fox executives perhaps... by SpyGuy	Jan 13th, 2009 03:49:55 PM
Everything's "a little dense" when you're as dumb as a box of rocks.
Love me some PB by MrPopular	Jan 13th, 2009 03:50:41 PM
Prison Break Rocked. I think they struggled with a story for season 2 & 3 seeing how they didn't plan to keep going. But this season has really turned out to be great. And as for DollHouse. Hopefully it's all I hope it is. Wheadon was been put on a pedestal. But I guess we'll wait and see, cause if it is truly a great show fox will cancel it in a season
drebin by logicalnoise01	Jan 13th, 2009 03:51:33 PM
sorry but you're talking about fox who cancelled a multi(as in double digit) award winning show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DeFV5GprfaQ
I cant believe prison break is on the chopping block! by ahdvd	Jan 13th, 2009 03:56:10 PM
As it's been one of the consistently entertaining shows going at the moment! They better cap it off with a damned good ending, it'll suck if it's cancelled without a conclusion like so many other Fox 'ass-raped' shows!
Boldly Going Nowhere by Saint Andeol	Jan 13th, 2009 03:57:58 PM
As a huge fan of It's Always Sunny, i'm kinda bummed to see that those buttfucks at Fox are messing with the show. I wish they'd stop thinking they know what good TV is.
Yay Fringe!!! by Scopa	Jan 13th, 2009 03:58:38 PM
The only show I watch! Glad it will get picked up.
Awesome by V'Shael	Jan 13th, 2009 04:01:17 PM
Prison Break is gone. Fox says they will "let" Dollhouse play out 13 episodes. They really know how to sell their shit, don't they?
Prison-Break! by laraz	Jan 13th, 2009 04:02:32 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why oh why was the worse tv show on tv let go! Nooooooooo!
So Fox keeps a show (Prison Break) that was played by skimn	Jan 13th, 2009 04:03:41 PM
out after the first season, but kept milking it, but cancel shows (take your pick, theres SO many)that showed great promise after a few airdates..thats SO Fox... BTW when will the Andy Richter Universe DVD set come out??
Fringe by frozen01	Jan 13th, 2009 04:06:59 PM
Did this show suddenly get good, or has it just become one of those "it" shows that everyone decides to like without being able to explain why? I watched the first four episodes (I was hoping it would turn into another X-Files) and I thought the acting was horrible, the characters were completely unlikable (especially the lead chick) and had no chemistry, and the plots were only so-so. Has that changed?
He's right... by MachThree	Jan 13th, 2009 04:20:34 PM
Prison Break was soooooo played out. The entire premise of Season 4 required a massive suspension of disbelief - it just stretched credibility too far. And most of season 4 - so much double crossing, back stabbing, unbelievable alliances, characters returning from the dead, etc etc etc. Its just too much. I could stomach season 3 but it should have ended then.
They've broken out of like 2 prisons by Larry of Arabia	Jan 13th, 2009 04:23:51 PM
but are trapped in the metaphorical prison of the heart.
Dollhouse by Titus05	Jan 13th, 2009 04:25:48 PM
so I guess that means that Dollhouse will not get cancelled until after Episode 14
is this any surprise? by j2talk	Jan 13th, 2009 04:32:55 PM
prison break should always have been a limited run series...
Frozen... by Lenny Nero	Jan 13th, 2009 04:34:15 PM
...Fringe suddenly got VERY good after the first handful of episodes. The last four especially were top-notch sci-fi mystery.
As long as it gets a proper finale by lex romero	Jan 13th, 2009 04:35:19 PM
Then I'll be happy. I always saw this season as the final one anyway, it's stretching a lot of my suspension of disbelief with this season and it seems to be coming towards a natural conclusion. Didn't think there would be anyway to do a fifth without it being fukcing ridiculous.
Prison Break played itself out by TVguy4566	Jan 13th, 2009 04:39:37 PM
I have watched the show from day one and I did think this year was an improvement over last year, but I think the show has lost it teeth. Really, T-Bag is a characature of himself. The plots are farfected even for this show that played it loose with reality. There have been more misteps in reboots than Alias had. Let them take down the company and end the show. I feel they broke out of prison far too quickly (they could have drawn it out over two season) and never had a gameplan past season two. And it showed last year.
Are we still boycotting FOX 2009 over Watchmen? by Squashua	Jan 13th, 2009 04:42:56 PM
Just want to know. Where are we all meeting for the boycott?
As for Fringe by TVguy4566	Jan 13th, 2009 04:43:32 PM
It is the only new show I watch this year, but it is still average to slightly above average. It wants to think it is breaking new ground in SCIFI, but it is kinda watered down X-Files. They should also put Pacey and John Noble to the forefront of the show since they are the only interesting characters in the bunch. I find Anna Torv to be too bland and too much of a downer.
I thought..... by Blackguard	Jan 13th, 2009 04:47:17 PM
....Prison Break had already been canceled? I heard this was their last season and there were allowed to film a series finale. They were really considering bringing it back for another season? How is that possible? Just let them end it with a bang. I hope they do anyway....
"A little dense" by supertoyslast	Jan 13th, 2009 04:48:35 PM
That sounds like code for "a little more intelligent than we give the American public credit for". God forbid a show should ever be dense or complex.
"a little dense" for the dumbass audience by kabong	Jan 13th, 2009 04:53:16 PM
the advertising agencies figure are the only people stupid enough to want to buy the crap being advertised
Love Fringe by pumaman	Jan 13th, 2009 04:53:45 PM
This show has the potential to be as big as the X Files was in its day. Shame about Prison Break. William Fitchner has been awesome. Hope he gets on a tv show that ISN'T cancelled !
Drebin by yodaismyhomie	Jan 13th, 2009 04:56:18 PM
Because Firefly was an awesome show as almost anybody who has actually watched the whole series will say. Unfortunately, FOX did not allow the first episode which led to an awkward show opener, then aired things out of order which led to not watching the characters develop properly (which they did do btw), and then prematurely canceling the show. Now I don't know if Dollhouse will be good or not, but before it's even hit the air it has had to have a new pilot, been assigned the same friday night death slot, and been paired with a show that most people don't seem to respect that much...so I think it's fair to say that FOX has pretty much shit all over Whedon before his show even gets a chance. There are much crappier things on that channel that could go on Friday night and allow Dollhouse a chance. Instead, FOX has essentially said Fuck You to Mr. Whedon again.
So what happens to Terminator... by Cash907	Jan 13th, 2009 04:58:27 PM
... if Prison Bore is taking over it's time slot two months after it comes back from hiatus? There are ten episodes left in the season, and by my count, unless they decide to air some back to back, they would only be able to put out 8 eps before the other show took over. What the hell Fox... Terminator doesn't need any more dead weight attached to it. God I hate you Fox, I hate you so much I'd give myself ulcers if I wasn't popping Tums like candy every time I thought about you.
Good to know... by DesignDude	Jan 13th, 2009 05:01:26 PM
one can still count on Fox treating their shows like crap. I'm not too upset about PB though, that one should've ended a long time ago.
everyone should give fringe a chance. by soup74	Jan 13th, 2009 05:01:52 PM
i say that in a selfish way because im loving it and i want to see it continue. it does start out slow but is getting better every episode. the half-season finale was excellent. it's first season so far has been a lot stronger than x-files first season.
Do some business? by Don Lockwood	Jan 13th, 2009 05:05:16 PM
You know, I realize that television IS a business, but that kind of characterization really shows why Fox mostly sucks.
Fringe really is worth it? by ufoclub1977	Jan 13th, 2009 05:05:29 PM
I stopped after the first three episodes
Why are people hating on Fox for Dollhouse? by MyManD316	Jan 13th, 2009 05:06:13 PM
Yeah, the messed up Firefly. Royally. But they're giving Dollhouse their full support and the benefit of a doubt. 13 benefits to be exact. From what I can understand, the problems with Dollhouse stem directly from Whedon's mismanagement of subpar writers that he hired. Nothing to do with Fox there. If Dollhouse goes for 13 episodes and gets cancelled after bringing in no new audiences to Fox, I'll still applaud them for paying for half a season.
Always Sunny guys shouldn't have gone to FOX... by DanielKurland	Jan 13th, 2009 05:08:27 PM
Whether the show is good or not, they should have stuck with FX.
kneepads by thewizardofoz	Jan 13th, 2009 05:08:36 PM
I think far more people on this site strap 'em on for JJ Abrams than they do Whedon.
DanielKurland... by MyManD316	Jan 13th, 2009 05:13:44 PM
I know that was supposed to be a joke, but to what end?
Kurland...Always Sunny IS on FX. by Lenny Nero	Jan 13th, 2009 05:15:10 PM
Always has been and will continue to be. Those FOX episodes were just a few censored reruns to cover up a few holes in their schedule leading up to a season premiere on FX.
fringe lady by altoandando	Jan 13th, 2009 05:19:23 PM
love the chick, she defies stereotypes and has a lot of nuance... amazing that two of the three lead actors are aussies, and the other is a canuck! seriously, let's give it a chance – it's gonna get good.
happy about fringe staying by Basehead	Jan 13th, 2009 05:30:35 PM
thought it was really getting stronger and very curious how its going to play out
couldn't disagree more (Fringe) by mad_taffer	Jan 13th, 2009 05:41:40 PM
it's first season so far has been a lot stronger than x-files first season. Are you serious? The pilot episode of the X-files has been better than the entire season of Fringe so far. I like the show, but it's no X-files.
Full Support For Dollhouse, Are You Joking? by What The Duck	Jan 13th, 2009 05:43:46 PM
That's why the gave it a Friday time slot as the Terminator series as the lead in. A crappy show slipping in the ratings. They will fuck it up just like Firefly.
Kevin Reilly kinda' sounds like... by CrazyJoeDavola	Jan 13th, 2009 06:17:49 PM
a smug prick.
“It’s a little dense” by aversiontherapy2	Jan 13th, 2009 06:18:14 PM
A little dense?! I assume that's tv exec code for "we think it's too intelligent for fox viewers".
Prison Break by Rogue Trooper	Jan 13th, 2009 06:32:27 PM
Prison Break had overstayed its welcome and should have ended after season three (and even that was a bit of a stretch, 'scuse the pun).
Reilly sounds like white teeth and little substance by Stormwatcher	Jan 13th, 2009 06:35:19 PM
Meaning he's a frakking borderline douchebag. Or at least that the way he sounds. HEY SUITS HERE A NOTE: We LOVE DENSE SCIFI especially Moore's DENSE SCIFI. Idiots
Don't forget FUX cancelled 'ANGEL' too by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 13th, 2009 06:36:55 PM
When is "Hell's Kitchen" coming back anyway? Also, Herc you must have an opinion about the ringers in the upcoming season of 'Survivor'???? Unload with both barrels plzthx ☺
"A little dense"??? by Cameron1	Jan 13th, 2009 07:00:00 PM
No, Kevin. I'm certain it's you who's the dense one. Though why Ron Moore thought he could get a sci-fi drama even half as intelligent as BSG on Fox is a mystery.
Angel was on The WB by TVguy4566	Jan 13th, 2009 07:00:20 PM
The WB canceled Angel.
CarmillaVonDoom by Hercules	Jan 13th, 2009 07:11:48 PM
survivor ringers? got a link?
More from Sci-fi Wire: by buffywrestling	Jan 13th, 2009 07:20:12 PM
http://tinyurl.com/9vjehe "Joss Whedon's new show, has undergone reshoots and rewrites, but Reilly now says the show is where he wants it to be creatively. "Joss has done his thing," he said. "I want him to just do his show. We had a couple of false starts, and then, frankly, we just left him alone." The news that they left him alone - most likely after the third ep, according to Diane Walden (Fox) - makes me feel a bit better. I was really pissed that they had him tone down the mythology - and now Moore and his fans are going through the same thing. Stupid note givers. Also noted on other coverage on whedonesque[dot]com, the first 5 episodes are standalones and the sixth delves into mythology, almost like another pilot, according to Joss.
"Whedon's mismanagement of subpar writers" by oisin5199	Jan 13th, 2009 07:22:29 PM
where's the evidence for this? From everything I've read, it's a case of the studio needing the show to be more accessible and Joss ultimately argreeing with them.
maybe im crazy... by soup74	Jan 13th, 2009 07:26:46 PM
but as a huge x-files fan that was ready to write off Fringe, I'm really finding myself enjoying it. i guess i shouldnt say things like one is better than the other because they're from different atmospheres. But I think X-philes should really give it a chance.
PB is having its best season since 1 by BitterMan23	Jan 13th, 2009 07:32:32 PM
So of course the ratings have been lower. Quality is never rewarded on TV. I bet 24, which is about 2 for 6 in good seasons, runs for another 3 years though.
I'm a Prison Break fan, but... by Jordo	Jan 13th, 2009 07:40:06 PM
I fully agree with the studio heads on this one. Season four has been very played out. I hope the show ends on a satisfying note, because otherwise Prison Break has been a very entertaining show.
Hey now by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 13th, 2009 07:41:23 PM
http://tinyurl.com/7goyqu Maybe I used a bad choice of words, but 2 professional models and grammy-nominated singer? Doesn't seem very 'sporting' to me. Link has obnoxious inviso-text but you're used to THAT! ;)
Also "a bartender from Los Angeles" by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 13th, 2009 07:44:40 PM
So...3 models and a grammy-nominated singer lol
Late news, as in 15 minutes ago... by Pennsy	Jan 13th, 2009 08:12:06 PM
because I don't want the American Idiot Karaoke to get one more post, I'm putting it here. According Michael Schneider of Variety magazine: "Idol's Wednesday edition will move to 9PM once the show reverts to its in-studio competition phase. That means new drama Lie to Me, which is initially airing behind Idol on Wednesdays at 9, will slide down to 8." Which means that cancer of a show will be head-to-head against Lost. Goddamn Fox to hell.
"if we can do some business there" by HoboCode	Jan 13th, 2009 08:35:31 PM
What does that bullshit even mean?
I guess they couldn't shitcan Fringe by Xiphos_2	Jan 13th, 2009 08:57:10 PM
They don't have much left on the schedule nor much coming down the pike. Good god is Fringe a terrible show.
A little dense. by sailingmaster	Jan 13th, 2009 09:19:31 PM
After listening to Kevin Smith talk about his adventures in Hollywood with his Superman script pitch, and the reasons Joss Whedon was given for reshooting the pilot for Firefly... I'm betting that Virtuality was written for people with above room temperature IQs, which leaves out most, if not all, network and studio execs.
BRING BACK FIREFLY!!!!!! by darthvol	Jan 13th, 2009 09:22:09 PM
Damnit.
i watched season one of prision break by Mr_X	Jan 13th, 2009 09:25:57 PM
it was excellent, watched a bit of season 2 and found it hard to suspend my belief that prisoners were up against the fricking president of the untied states. you break out of prision. end of fricking show. but noooo fox likes to beat a dead horse, whilst shows that actually have promise they cut the fucking legs off. fucking fox you bunch of hairy ballsack exec cunts!
I just don't understand by yubnubrocks	Jan 13th, 2009 09:26:55 PM
Why the writers, producers, etc. don't just LIMIT the serious to a set amount of seasons (e.g. PB should have been a 2-season show and that's it). Ok, I guess I get the advertisting part - just play it out until no ones willing to pay anymore. I get that. But I think we'd have much stronger shows, AND viewership, if a show, from the beginning, was announced as a 1, 2 or 3 season show and that's it. No more. HEROES? 3 seasons. After that, no more. The story is told and after that we move on to a different show, new writers, etc. LOST could have been wrapped up in 4 or 5 seasons. Yes, it's still the ratings darling, but there were plenty of filler episodes. Writers might actually get more creative knowing they have a limited run, rather than waiting on the networks to tell them to wrap it up. As upset as people were, look how good FIREFLY turned out. A limited run but damn each show was just about perfect. And SERENITY capped it off. Yes, they could have drug it out over a few seasons, but it might have gotten a bit ponderous when it wasn't necessary. Enough with the season after season. Plan it out and be done with it and move on.
sorry by Mr_X	Jan 13th, 2009 09:27:09 PM
I just spew vitriol on these board nowadays
Am sure the promotions department of Fox would have loved this g by Miyamoto_Musashi	Jan 13th, 2009 09:39:05 PM
"Played out". "If we can do some business here". Fox promotions would be kindly asking this guy to stop talking. Am also not convinced that Dollhouse will play for 13 eps unless Whedon has photos of Fox Execs in comprimising positions i.e. sacrificing virgins to appease their Dark Lord .....yeah Cheney
Wow no "fuck you fox" till the 9th post by DigitalDong	Jan 13th, 2009 09:57:25 PM
I'm disappointed in you guys fo'reels.
4 Wonderful seasons by AlwaysThere	Jan 13th, 2009 10:20:48 PM
I enjoyed the show greatly and will be there to see it's culmination. Thank you.
Drebin, you're an idiot by randie1313	Jan 13th, 2009 10:26:37 PM
That is all.
PB was great the first season. by The_joker	Jan 13th, 2009 10:29:50 PM
The second was ok, but when it ended with them ending up in another prison... Ok, I can only take so much. I returned this season and while it's been entertaining, the whole micheal's brain disease plot line has been annoying. As well as the whole "Hey it looks like everything's finally gonna work out for us? Oh wait no it isn't, we've been double crossed" plotlines are getting old as well. I mean is anyone really looking for them anymore? Micheal, get a boat. Head to an island, and start banging your hot doctor. Trust me, it's much better than exposing a secret organization.
i09.com says Hayden P. AND Ali Larter want out of Heroes by Pennsy	Jan 13th, 2009 10:34:19 PM
http://tinyurl.com/72hr4f. This, on the heels of a Toronto FM station Z103.5 saying Larter had been asked to leave the show at the end of this season.
A little dense? by Jodet	Jan 13th, 2009 10:42:13 PM
These are the ass-clowns who thought 'Firefly' was confusing. Christ.
Jodet by buffywrestling	Jan 13th, 2009 10:46:42 PM
Not the same assclowns - different assclowns.
Close your eyes Prison Break, it'll all be over soon. by boogalooshrimp	Jan 13th, 2009 11:59:29 PM
1st season- pretty good at first but you had to try to keep liking it, waiting for some payoff. 2nd-Excellent trash, peak of the series! Every cheap plot twist was thrown in for the hell of it. 3rd-A fucking cartoon. and not in the good 'Superjail' kinda way. 4th-Quick flashes of gratification, but for the final season of a seriealized show, inexcusable. A twenty minute writers meeting every year could have helped this. Why was Lincoln framed for murder again?...ya know. Some fun action here and there, but none of it came close to 24's third ep. Holy shit. One of the finest action sequences filmed for television I've ever seen.
Take a lesson from the BBC.... by Blackguard	Jan 14th, 2009 12:20:47 AM
6-13 episode seasons where the creators run the show. They do it SO well. The shows are better written and they leave you wanting more. Hell they even give you holiday episodes!
Prison Break was the best drinking game by FuryofthefilmFan	Jan 14th, 2009 01:02:55 AM
Just take a shot after someone said "Scylla" you would be testing death every episode.
I know how Fringe can turn into X-files by walfrid	Jan 14th, 2009 01:08:24 AM
Get rid of the crazy ass old man!... I love the actor but his crazy ass is the only reason I dislike the show. I mean it's scifi so kill him off, but put his memories into his son somehow. Bingo Bango you got yourself a determined FBI agent (ie Mulder), with a smart smooth talking male lead who'd have all of the secrets you need locked in his head (ie Scully after abduction). We already got our black Skinner! I mean does anyone truly like the old guy? He's the reason the show will become formulaic and burn out, I'm telling you now!
walfrid by FuryofthefilmFan	Jan 14th, 2009 01:38:40 AM
And why shouldn't it work?!?! The chick already shares memories with her x lover who is still alive it would be easy to mix the 2 minds together and do exactly what you say. brilliant.
Prison Break...simple but bloody entertaining show by Carl's hat	Jan 14th, 2009 02:10:50 AM
Really, how many straight out action shows are there on tv these days? Not many. This season has made great use of it's outdoor scenes making the show feel somewhat movie like. At it's worst, this show was still light years ahead of every other CSI clone or law/medical show. I for one will miss it.
I want a T-Bag spinoff! by MaxCalifornia.	Jan 14th, 2009 02:43:20 AM
T-Bag moves into a snooty upscale neighborhood as a registered sex offender. Wacky antics ensue! Coming to FOX this fall!
Sad, but not surprising by photoboy	Jan 14th, 2009 02:51:08 AM
The ratings have been bad since forever, so it's done well to last this long. Bizarrely I think the show's biggest problem is being called "Prison Break" when they've only really spent less than a season and a half in an actual prison. It's made the show into a joke for some people. Still, the whole thing has felt like it was building up to a conclusion this season anyway. So hopefully this will give the creators time to actually finish the story off and give it a satisfying ending. I just hope T-Bag can have a good final few episodes. He needs to go back to being his badass self from season 2 where he could kill people even with only had 1 hand.
prison break was getting interesting again after s1 by ironic_name	Jan 14th, 2009 03:10:15 AM
the 'prison' they were trying to break was the government. or the dude with scylla. boo to the shit who canceled it.
prison break was starting to become a 'terrorist' 24 by ironic_name	Jan 14th, 2009 03:15:57 AM
silly as plots. lots of fun.
prison break was starting to become a 'terrorist' 24 by ironic_name	Jan 14th, 2009 03:16:02 AM
silly ass plots. lots of fun.
Get rid of Walter? by gotilk	Jan 14th, 2009 03:55:42 AM
Are you drunk or just retarded? May he warm your ass.
I'm an Englishman and so am not really... by BiggusDickus	Jan 14th, 2009 04:09:04 AM
...qualified to comment on this very American matter, but it seems to me that whoever is in charge of programming at Fox is, how can I put this, a bit of a cock. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick here?
Prison Break's first season was by far the best. by Motoko Kusanagi	Jan 14th, 2009 05:19:33 AM
After that they ran out of ideas. So the cancellation is okay, imho. And who cares when A V A T A R hits our very cinemas this year?
BiggusDickus by Dingbatty	Jan 14th, 2009 05:25:09 AM
You are absolutely correct. Fox execs = Torgo's Executive Powder
Dense? by MrFloppy	Jan 14th, 2009 05:26:42 AM
Maybe the show isn't too intelligent for us. Maybe we are too intelligent for the show FOX want us to watch. DAMM FOX.
I'll cut Reilly some slack. by The McPoyle Clan	Jan 14th, 2009 05:47:13 AM
He put FX on the map (gonna argue against The Shield, Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me?), and his resume includes some other quality stuff. He's certainly done more than the buffoon who replaced him at NBC. If neither he nor the Sunny guys can be successful within the confines of network TV, that can't entirely take ALL the blame.
Fringe....has anyone noticed by Mr_P	Jan 14th, 2009 06:46:52 AM
That it is really really p!sh. It is actually embarrasingly to watch it is so bad but I keep watching hoping it will get better although it is only half way through in the UK although it has disappeared from the schedules - not sure if noone watched or if it is just the xmas break.
Mr_P - have they run out of usernames at aicn? by Mr_X	Jan 14th, 2009 07:05:43 AM
walter is one of the reasons why fringe is worth watching. and dont you forget it
Watching Anna Torv on FRINGE is like watching water evaporate by SpyGuy	Jan 14th, 2009 07:57:08 AM
It's not at all interesting and when it's over there's nothing left and you wonder why you even bothered watching in the first place.
"Prison Break" was played out after the 1st season... by JackPumpkinhead	Jan 14th, 2009 08:26:27 AM
I actually grabbed a few episodes of its seasons 3 & 4 a few weeks ago, to see how far it deteriorated after the really decent original season. Such pain to even fast forward through, ugh...
PRISON BREAK is like GILLIGAN'S ISLAND... by Bob Cryptonight	Jan 14th, 2009 08:47:58 AM
...they both employ the same sort of non-logic. Fortunately, the guys who made GILLIGAN knew it was a comedy.
"Boldly Going Nowhere" is a lame title! by Demode	Jan 14th, 2009 08:49:43 AM
That may work as a "pitch decription" of what the show is about, but as an actual title? Uhhh.... It just doesn't work. You are essentially telling the audience that this is a parody of Star Trek. That can work for a movie (see: Galaxy Quest), but it won't work for a TV show. Remember "Homeboys in Outer Space?" Something also tells me that it won't have a heart in the same way the Galaxy Quest did.
Yes thank you prison break ! by kingoflight	Jan 14th, 2009 08:53:43 AM
we had some fun times we had some sad times now you one monkey off my back i hope to never see again. I still think it should have been a one season show.
I don't want to sound like a Fox stooge by skimn	Jan 14th, 2009 08:54:29 AM
But outside of their usual douchery in short shifting new series (Wonderfalls, Drive, etc.), they have taken chances that the "Big 3" either didn't want to take a chance on, or would know how to promote. Name another network that has 4 primetime animated series on the air, 3 of which hits, 1 an icon for the ages. Look at all the attempts to mine an X-File type show, but none matching that series brilliance. Despite their mishandling of Arrested Development, they did give it time to try to pick up ratings (at least NBC keeps 30 Rock in the same time slot...opposite CSI, morons). Andy Richter, Get A Life, etc. were at least given a network to air a season or two of surreal brilliance that wasn't available on ABC, NBC, or CBS. So cut Fox a little slack. Not much, mind you, but a little.
Sorry but by Chadley BeBay	Jan 14th, 2009 09:01:29 AM
Fringe fucking sucks, Prison Break fucking sucks, Firefly fucking sucked, and Arrested Development?? It got cancelled because: a) It wasn't funny. b) It sucked c) No one watched it
You can argue whether or not you can kill a kid in a Superman by Big Jim	Jan 14th, 2009 09:33:44 AM
movie, but on Prison Break they have no qualms about it.
Chadley Bebay.... by meCPS	Jan 14th, 2009 09:45:57 AM
You suck. That is all. (Except why didn't you throw LOST into your list as well, since you apparently think that EVERYTHING sucks)
Fringe by Itchy	Jan 14th, 2009 09:59:32 AM
I really enjoy this show and think it can really evolve into something great, but it definately (a) needs to limit Anna Torv - who is by far the weakest link in the show and (b) needs to advance 'The Pattern' plotline ... make it a detective show involving the 'supernatural' ... not an inpenetrable supernatural show that involves some detectives.
#6 by NudeandAroused	Jan 14th, 2009 11:20:28 AM
Speaking of prisons, I just heard of the death of the best prisoner, Patrick McGoohan.
I thought I was stupid... by Drebin	Jan 14th, 2009 11:27:32 AM
But Chadley BeBay takes the cake. You are the only human that thinks A.D. wasn't funny. Maybe 2 1/2 Men is more your speed, or Home Improvement. Agree on your first three points, however.
Lets remember Prison Break for its excellent first season by BurgerKing	Jan 14th, 2009 11:29:04 AM
For all the faults of the last two, the first season is a great standalone season with a wicked ending.
also I'm afraid to invest in Fringe knowing FOX by BurgerKing	Jan 14th, 2009 11:30:00 AM
I saw the pilot, liked it, but don't want to commit cause Fox could pull the plug at any moment, I'll let it get a season or two down, watch them on DVD then maybe follow along.
Walter is the best part of Fringe! by oisin5199	Jan 14th, 2009 12:08:54 PM
Getting rid of him would kill the show. He's fantastic, fascinating, heartbreaking. The actor is amazing. Plus, he's an awfully convenient exposition machine, which this show desperately needs. Prison Break? I'm glad it's ending. This season has been the best since the first season, but this is not one of those shows that should go on. These characters can only take so much more. They should give it a good ending and send it on its way.
Prison Break should end... by I Hope You Die	Jan 14th, 2009 12:54:51 PM
With Michael Scofield finally taking the massive dump he's been struggling with since the start of Season 1. Then he comes out of the toilet and expresses a full range of emotion! Like an actor!
The Company become more absurd with every passing season by wuher da brewer	Jan 14th, 2009 12:55:01 PM
I can understand then wanting to screw Lincoln when the father became anti-company. To think now, that their mother might be alive and she let the company use Lincoln and put him on death row in the first place is just too much of an absurd twist. Trying to recruit Michael via brainwashing is stretching it too. Whoever said Michael's brain disease was boring, was dead right.
Fuck Fringe! Bring back Space: Above and Beyond! by Wrecks	Jan 14th, 2009 12:57:32 PM
Or any number of previously cancelled fox shows that blow crapFringe out of the water!
Wentworth has actually improved. by boogalooshrimp	Jan 14th, 2009 01:07:11 PM
Now he's not great, but he came from this- http://www.youtu be.com/watch?v=pAU grbDp1qw
Fringe is cool, Prison Break used to be good, Firefly rocked... by Sappers Forward	Jan 14th, 2009 01:08:51 PM
Thank God they cancelled Prison Break. When the show was actually about them being in prison, it was cool. After that, I was like, "What's the point? This sucks.". Fringe seems cool. Lance Reddick, John Noble, and Joshua Jackson are cool. The lead FBI chick is questionable. For God's sake, please hire a tech advisor for the tactical scenes. Can we just be a tiny bit realistic? Someone on this thread mentioned Firefly. Bring that back. I just finished watching the series on hulu.com. That's good stuff. Wish there were more episodes. I really like the short commercial breaks for Fringe, that alone is worth the price of admission. I'm not really looking forward to "Lost" due to the fact that even when FF'ing through commercials on the DVR it takes forever.
Fringe is okay by symphy	Jan 14th, 2009 02:10:39 PM
Only because of Walter, though -- though I like the creepy boss and the creepy Massive Dynamics lady. But for some reason I find it much harder to suspend my disbelief with Fringe than I do with Lost -- even though Lost's plot points are more impossible than Fringe's. With Lost I go "wow!" and with Fringe I usually go "oh, come ON."
And... by symphy	Jan 14th, 2009 02:11:25 PM
...if TPTB ever try and do a Lost/Fringe crossover, that will totally break the fourth wall for me and I will be fucking furious.
Now cancel 24 by jimmy_009	Jan 14th, 2009 02:40:10 PM
Tired of that garbage being rehashed every year.
CBS TCA press tour news: Swingtown axed, NCIS spinoff on the way by Pennsy	Jan 14th, 2009 03:05:49 PM
Here's the scoop: http://tinyurl.com/9ao2j8.
I wouldn't get too excited about Dollhouse. by digitalcos	Jan 14th, 2009 05:30:51 PM
The pilot is okay, but it ain't nothin' to wake the kids for. My biggest complaint is that it just looked "cheap" production wise. I'm going to assume it didn't have the budget of Lost or Fringe, or even BSG, but with an established name like Whedon behind it, I'd expect better production value than Smallville, or even Buffy for that matter.
You guys do know... by Lenny Nero	Jan 14th, 2009 08:33:55 PM
...that Prison Break went back to them in prison during the third season, right? It seems that almost all of you gave up midway through season 2.
by "dense" does he mean stupid? by Maniaq	Jan 14th, 2009 08:49:32 PM
or chock full of stuff? also I think everyone is in agreement that Prison Break is well due (if not overdue) for an ending - remember this was meant to last TWO seasons!
one more thing about Prison Break by Maniaq	Jan 14th, 2009 08:52:32 PM
I'm pretty sure Fox KNOWS that it is still the most downloaded show on them internets - obviously they still haven't figured out how to profit from something like that...
"Virtuality" better fucking happen. by flickchick85	Jan 14th, 2009 09:09:53 PM
"A little dense"? You mean you actually have to pay attention to get what's going on? That's exactly the kind of show I was hoping it was. You better not kill this thing, Fox. My most anticipated pilot of this year.
They've broken out of TWO prisons, Herc by Larry Sellers	Jan 14th, 2009 09:30:28 PM
That show is very played out. I didn't see it as ever being better than the second season anyway. The funny thing is that the story didn't lose momentum after they broke out of LITERAL prison. The metaphoric prison of presidential conspiracies, etc. is just not as interesting and I couldn't watch more than half an episode after they started tacking on more and more threads every episode without tying up previous ones.
Boldly Going Nowhere by Larry Sellers	Jan 14th, 2009 09:32:21 PM
Was that going to be on Fox or FX? "Reshoot your pilot." Harsh.
Fringe and Virtuality by Cobbio	Jan 14th, 2009 10:28:37 PM
I can't stand "Fringe." The first three episodes of that show were so bad, so utterly stupid, and so incompetent that I'll never be able to stomach future stories. Anna Torv is a show-killingly bland actress. If her characterless character dies, I'll maybe consider watching it again. The show I'm abolutely gung ho for is "Virtuality." The showrunner for "Battlestar Galactica," the director of "Hancock," and the writer of many of Battlestar's best episodes? Hell yes! I cannot wait. Also, after reading about some of the plotlines for "Virtuality," involving rape and mind-shredding brutality, I'm not surpised the Fox executives asked for a recut. They like family fun, not ass-kicking, thought-provoking, mind-warping science fiction. God, I can't wait for this.
Fringe is 2 shows stuck together... by DC Films	Jan 15th, 2009 08:22:55 AM
Show1 is great: Pacey and his mad dad (the dad the best comic-timing and delivery - superb actor. Show2 is awful: Poe faced wooden TV version of Cate Blanchett - her script makes that even worse. Then there's the man i like to call (in shouty-trailer cancer voice) 'TV CAGE' > yes, he's TV's very own poor stand-in for Nic Cage. Everytime he appears i have to shout 'TV CAGE'. His affected delivery never fails to crack me up). The show even makes the guy from The Wire seem tedious. Don't get me wrong, i love watching John Noble so much i'm glad it's staying, but sort out 'Show2' already> Poe-faced introspection is so 90's - this ain't the X-Files.
i kinda like Fringe by BMacSmith	Jan 15th, 2009 11:21:57 AM
its nice.
Cobbio, revisit Fringe. by Lenny Nero	Jan 15th, 2009 12:25:38 PM
The first three eps are nothing compared to the later ones.

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