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Kevin Williamson And Wes Craven Reuniting For SCREAM 4?

First... by RockLobster800	Jan 12th, 2009 04:08:37 PM
to voice my disapproval at least?
Chumbawumba indeed! by slowgraffiti	Jan 12th, 2009 04:12:28 PM
But you can't leave out 3rd Eye Blind!
Ditch the original cast...... by pdennett316	Jan 12th, 2009 04:12:53 PM
If they rework that shit for a 4th time....well, I'll still see it because I'm worthlessly in love with the concept, but it'll feel tired. In fact, fuck that, have them all killed off at the very start....give us all a bit of a shock a la Barrymore in the original. Oh, and it must star Seth Green, fucking Jamie Kennedy is the poor man's Seth Green.
Ugh by kgerm	Jan 12th, 2009 04:12:58 PM
Yes I wanna see the mask, but after that horrible third film I think they should just leave this the fuck alone.
When all else fails by Darksider	Jan 12th, 2009 04:13:18 PM
Go for the paycheck. Scream 1 was good. Part 2 was unnecessary, albeit amusing. Part 3 was a complete out of left field crapfest. How about something totally new that doesn't involve werewolves?
I would watch only if by Campion	Jan 12th, 2009 04:13:58 PM
they did a movie called Scream 4 that had absolutely nothing to do with the previous movies. Like a spoof on Halloween 3. Same title, nothing else. Ah well, at least they're not re-making these (yet).
yee-haaw! by RockLobster800	Jan 12th, 2009 04:22:37 PM
I did it...but yeah, scream 4? Do we really need it? I mean, wait five more years and Platinum Dunes will be revving up the bloody remake anyway....this stinks of "making a quick buck" to me anyway. I love the first Scream flick (matthew lillard included) because I've yet to see a film that was as injokey, post modern, clever to the point of smugness and covered with stock characters and jokes that still managed to draw me in, make me care about the people on screen, and genuinely make me squirm in my seat during the murders. Maybe it's cos I grew up with it, but at the time I thought even the story twists were quite clever-it was a powerful "whodunnit" in my eyes (if it were released now, at my age, maybe I could have told you who did it ithin the first five seconds...maybe). Still,the opening murder of Drew Barrymore is still a corker, Neve Campbell was a bearable scream queen, and Jamie Kennedy was good company to get you through the hour and a half. Scream 2 was actually a decent sequel, even though it was clearly done for the money and at times to melodramatic (I still make note of the sequel rules every time I watch a second half though)..but part 3 was a mistake. Some kinda clever ideas but executed with all the grace of an obese man falling down a flight of stairs..poorly written, acted and made...and a 4th part,directed to a younger demographic? What is it going to say that wasnt already said in the original when that was made for the same demographic? Unless it lays it to J-horror, or horror remakes then I dont see the point :S
that's 4 Scream movies too many by FILMFUNK	Jan 12th, 2009 04:23:36 PM
fuckin shite the lot of em!
actually... by RockLobster800	Jan 12th, 2009 04:25:04 PM
if they announced it was a piss take of Horror remakes I might actually be intrigued..theres a good concept in there somewhere-to the williamsonmobile!
Surprise, surprise by TattooedBillionaire	Jan 12th, 2009 04:26:56 PM
You mean all that talk from Williamson and Craven that the third film was definitely the last one was complete bullshit?!?! No way! I'm "shocked."
That's funny, Beaks by DrAstroZoom	Jan 12th, 2009 04:28:00 PM
Seeing as how I can't remember a fucking thing that happened in the third movie, I am 100% totally uninterested in this.
Scream is still a great movie by WatertownSurfer	Jan 12th, 2009 04:36:30 PM
And a great screenplay. If they can make another Rambo, Indy, Star Trek, blah, blah, blah, then fuck it they can make another Scream.
Dial up the whodunnit elements by David Cloverfield	Jan 12th, 2009 04:36:32 PM
A scream movie should have more red herrings than the lake next to the paint factory.
The film will skew young... by Jobes War	Jan 12th, 2009 04:36:49 PM
Really? As opposed to skewing to a more mature, 50 something audience that horror movies usually aim for? Idiot.
Scream 2 is a great movie 2 by Brendon	Jan 12th, 2009 04:41:27 PM
Though it lacks the absolute cohesion of part 1.
The 1990s are over, guys by I Dunno	Jan 12th, 2009 04:41:48 PM
New Nightmare was badass. The first couple Screams were pretty good. I even sort of liked the lesser ones like I Know Jennifer Love Hewett's What Breasts Did Last Summer and Urban Legend with fine ass Alicia Witt I'll even give you the Faculty. And then of course on TV there was Buffy and Angel and Charmed. But it's over. The horror genre has been deconstructed enough. It's time to re-construct it. Besides, when those dipshit Wayans Brothers actually parody your quasi-parody, where else is there to go?
Honestly, this could be done really well... by DanielKurland	Jan 12th, 2009 04:45:19 PM
The first Scream is great, and Scream 2 is a wonderful continuation. The problems with Scream 3 are numerous, but the main one being it is IMPOSSIBLE to guess who the killer is. 1 and 2, if you were paying attention and smart enough, you could solve those movies, and that's fun. But the answer to Scream 3 comes so far out of nowhere and essentially introduces a new character is just disrespectful and not a good idea. If Williamson spends enough time on this (and him and Craven could use a hit, so I'm sure the pressure is on), this could turn out really good. It'll at least make fun of itself.
Wow, I fucked up by I Dunno	Jan 12th, 2009 04:45:38 PM
that should have read, "I Know What Jennifer Love Hewitt's Breasts Did Last Summer". I wish I did.
All the Scream films were good by the_scream	Jan 12th, 2009 04:47:02 PM
But 1 was excellent and innovative for that kind of film. Craven's New Nightmare was similar to Scream but was more about people being aware they were in a movie. Scream 2 was about the best sequel you could make. It was impossible to make a sequel that was going to be fresh and original. Likewise, Scream 3 was about the best second sequel you could make given that the whole thing had already been done twice.
Hey, I was in Chumbawumba... by Alonzo Mosely	Jan 12th, 2009 04:47:32 PM
OK, I wasn't...
Scream 3 Synopsis, for those who don't remember. by Spamgelus	Jan 12th, 2009 04:47:36 PM
In the third movie some people die in very grandiose ways, they throw lots of red herrings (including a really really awful one when McPenisy from that doctor show does an evil "I'm the killer" mug right at the camera... even though he didn't...), Jay and Silent Bob make the worst stands-out-like-a-sore-thumb cameo in the history of film, and Neve Campbell's character gets shoehorned into a movie that she wasn't needed in. But hey, bonus!: They found a way for that glorious hack Jamie Kennedy to return even though he got kilt in the last movie. Cause none of us ever get sick of HIM, right? He's so funny... Anyway, basically, the victim of Scream 3 is subtlety and the killer is, well, those of us who made Scream 2 such a huge success. Go us!
Exactly, there's a ton of great concepts they can play upon... by DanielKurland	Jan 12th, 2009 04:47:53 PM
And with the sad state of horror films lately, there is a ton of material to pull from. This will be as good as the time put into it. If they're just rushing out a film and trying to make money, it's going to reflect that, like any other shitty horror movie lately.
Although I really wasn't in Chumbawumba... by Alonzo Mosely	Jan 12th, 2009 04:50:08 PM
I did thump some tubbies in the 90s...
I mention Wes Craven's New Nightmare by I Dunno	Jan 12th, 2009 04:50:18 PM
because it was a sort of precursor to the whole self aware horror film thing, although much more literal since Wes Craven and the producer and the actors who played Freddy, Nancy and Nancy's dad actually played themselves. But I think it gave Craven the idea for Scream. For that, he deserves credit for turning upside down the genre that he helped create but this is just going back to the well, unless he's got something up his sleeve.
Fuck you Beaks by RobFromBackEast	Jan 12th, 2009 04:51:33 PM
You're spewing nonsensical bollocks from your fucking ass. The Scream sequels are on a different level than the terrible fucking Saw franchise, and the vast majority of mainstream horror over the past 13 years. With Craven back, I will be first in fucking line to see this. The man is still a legend
Oh God! by Roketopunch	Jan 12th, 2009 04:52:07 PM
My eyes are rolling so far that I can see my medula oblongata. So what Wes is saying once again, Check Please!
DanielKurland by RobFromBackEast	Jan 12th, 2009 04:54:44 PM
Craven does not "need a hit". Red Eye was a sleeper hit about 3 years ago. Another medium range budgeted genre flick that made its budget back numerous times. CHECK YOUR FACTS
Craven's best movie is The People Under The Stairs by rhcp2sweet	Jan 12th, 2009 04:56:58 PM
you know this to be true
Scream 3 was FUCKING CLOWNSHOES by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 12th, 2009 05:12:49 PM
Somebody already mentioned it above, but the J&SB cameo was just dreadful. First two movies were great though.
Craven will never top Nightmare on Elm Street by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 12th, 2009 05:14:20 PM
Once in a lifetime achievement for anyone, really. I can see people arguing about Carpenters best movie, but Craven? NO CONTEST it is Nightmare I. (2nd would be Serpent and the Rainbow imo.)
Fuck this movie... by TheWacoKid	Jan 12th, 2009 05:15:03 PM
Do people actually want this? Scream 1 was kind of decent. The other two sucked ass. I can't believe so many people are defending these horrible pieces of shit movies. Man, I have lost faith in talkbackers.
Cursed is good despite the hate. by Some Dude	Jan 12th, 2009 05:15:14 PM
At least the uncut one, never saw the theatrical version.
clownshoes lol!!! by billyhitchcock	Jan 12th, 2009 05:16:25 PM
affleck you the bomb in phantoms yo :-)
Where did Kevin Williamson go off to? by Orbots Commander	Jan 12th, 2009 05:30:45 PM
I figured he was in director's jail/purgatory after Teaching Mrs. Tingle. The guy had a great run in the 1990's and seemed to flare out pretty quickly.
TDK > Slumdog Millionaire by lagomorph	Jan 12th, 2009 05:34:36 PM
It's quantifiable. There's really no denying it other than to be contrarian. The Dark Knight had all the can't miss performances (Ledger, Eckhart, Oldman), scenes and dialogue of the year and it is not an easily forgettable experience. It stays with you. It's a game-changer. However, everyone already saw it, so I'm happy for Slumdog Millionaire even if it wasn't among my top five of the year. Danny Boyle and his balls definitely deserve the accolades. Re: Kate Winslet. She is a great actress that has been in better movies for which she wasn't nominated. Her wins feel like a consolation prize for previous snubs. Or maybe people just liked seeing her naked for 30 plus minutes in The Reader. Seriously, if they want B.O. they should change the ad campaign for that one.
The Perils of Multiple Windows by lagomorph	Jan 12th, 2009 05:36:07 PM
that was a comment for the Golden Globes... sigh. Scream had one of my favorite death scenes of modern horror with Drew Barrymore and the trachaeotomy.
Have it based in 'reality', and.... by The Dum Guy	Jan 12th, 2009 05:40:09 PM
Have the Scream movies be part of the horror film realities... At least that was what I thought would be a good idea back in 1998.
but why S4 when we can remake/reimagine the FIRST Scream!! by TheSeeker7	Jan 12th, 2009 05:40:46 PM
After all, enough time's past, right? The original SCREAM is just ripe to be remade, find a young hip director -- Next Golden Age Of Hollywood here we come!!
starring David Arquette...the man that sucks at ALL THINGS by Brians Life	Jan 12th, 2009 05:41:22 PM
David Arquette. Never got any of his appeal. I was on line at Wizard World LA getting a sketch from Tim Sale and David Arquette walks up, who I guess after ruining the world of Professional Wrestling he's now trying to ruin the world of comics. He cuts in front of EVERYONE and goes to talk to Tim Sale...some huge mother fucker in front of me yells "Hey, Deputy Dewey, there's a fucking line!" Arquette, who's wearing a shiney glittery blue jacket, looks like a deer in headlights and says "I'm just sayin' what's up, dude." And some little geeky chick goes "Yeah, that what we're ALL waiting to do. That's why we're all standing here." His agent or handlers put their hands on his shoulder and dragged him out of there before he was lynched by a mob of Tim Sale geeks. He ACTUALLY walks away facing us. Half staring us down and half perplexed. It was classic. And Tim Sale drew me a fucking brilliant Two Face.
Hey lagomorph we're talking about SCREAM by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 12th, 2009 05:47:25 PM
Hey jackass, EVERY THREAD doesn't have to refer to tdk. Jesus, read the header. Can't we just hand out the academy awards tomorrow to end all this bullshit? Who am I kidding? People will obviously be bitching about this as long as they have about Star Wars. Get a fucking grip, awards shows MEAN NOTHING AT ALL...except to the people who actually win one. And that is how it should be. Damn.
Oops sorry lagomorph by CarmillaVonDoom	Jan 12th, 2009 05:48:40 PM
This Dark Knight fever is turning me into a fucking idiot!
The first Scream hold sup remarkabely well. by Lovecraftfan	Jan 12th, 2009 05:51:59 PM
Its a great film.
Suggestion for Mr. Williams and Mr. Craven by Continentalop	Jan 12th, 2009 05:55:48 PM
Instead of giving us another Scream (which is pretty much played out) how about teaming up and coming up with a completely NEW concept? Both of you are talented people; instead of repeating yourself, come up with a completely new horror movie idea that will be fresh and original. Believe me, people will show up for that.
Mr. Williamson not Williams by Continentalop	Jan 12th, 2009 05:56:38 PM
Sorry I didn't finish spelling your name.
Remember, Williamson didn't write S3... by Beldo84	Jan 12th, 2009 05:56:43 PM
Ehren Kruger did. Williamson's first two Scream screenplays are quite good though, but most everything else he's done (Teaching Mrs. Tingle, Cursed) is shit (although I'll admit I have a soft spot for Dawson's Creek). IKWYDLS hasn't aged well. The Faculty was decent, but if the rumor is to be believed, the Weinsteins paid off the guys who actually wrote it just to use Williamson's name for marketing. But hey, maybe Scream was the only thing he was meant to write. I'll be interested to see what comes out of this.
Remember, Williamson didn't write S3... by Beldo84	Jan 12th, 2009 05:56:45 PM
Ehren Kruger did. Williamson's first two Scream screenplays are quite good though, but most everything else he's done (Teaching Mrs. Tingle, Cursed) is shit (although I'll admit I have a soft spot for Dawson's Creek). IKWYDLS hasn't aged well. The Faculty was decent, but if the rumor is to be believed, the Weinsteins paid off the guys who actually wrote it just to use Williamson's name for marketing. But hey, maybe Scream was the only thing he was meant to write. I'll be interested to see what comes out of this.
I'm glad some you still enjoy "Scream" by The Reluctant Austinite	Jan 12th, 2009 06:01:09 PM
The first film was near perfect; a beautifully shot tension machine that certainly deconstructed the slasher genre for laughs, but also managed at the same time to deliver the jump-outta-your-seat spookshow and guess-the-killer fun that audiences expect. Seeing this in a crowded theater at the time was a communal blast. It then became a victim of its own success; everyone started to hate it not for what it was, but for what it did to the horror genre. Pretty faces and bland films followed. It actually took the misery of the torture porn genre for people to look back and say, "Hey, I miss when these films were fun." I kid you not when I say I think "Scream" is the grandchild of "Psycho" and "Halloween." As far as the sequels go, it's the ensemble of characters that continue to make them fun. "Scream 2" was a little rushed. It hit theaters in less than a year after the original opened. The climax always seemed to me to be sort of a patch-up job, but for a film made so quickly, it worked. Appart from what the rest of you seem to think, I thought "Scream 3" was a better film, appart from some of the bits mentioned (Silent Bob & Jay, Parker Posey, etc.). I thought it delieved the goods and wrapped things up fairly well, but the haters will have me lynched for saying so. Maybe there will always be a divide between horror fans; ones that like to have a good time with horror and ones that prefer horror to be completely serious and disturbing. Which one are you?
The first Scream worked because it was a great satire. by Flim Springfield	Jan 12th, 2009 06:01:09 PM
That's what made Scary Movie so stupid- Scream was already a comedy, the Wayans just dumbed it down to eight year-old level. What would be the "joke" of the fourth movie? Coming back to the well one too many times?
Here's how you do a Scream 4 by Doctor Cosmic	Jan 12th, 2009 06:05:19 PM
It's simple. You create a film that is a series of vignettes, a la Creepshow, or more recently, Grind House. The Scream films exist in this reality as movies. The stories deal with how the Scream mask is used by different people and for different reasons. A few of my ideas: 1-a guy who buys the mask and costume at Wal-Mart to go to a Halloween party. He gets there and decides not to take the mask off. This is funny at first, and then he meets a girl who won't take her mask off. They hit it off, talking through their masks the whole time. This piece ends with the girl about to pull the mask from her face. 2-A black guy lives in a fucked up inner city neighborhood. His girlfriend was caught in a drive by. He wants revenge and picks up the mask from a dollar store. He grabs his piece and kicks ass. The story is called "Black and White." 3-This nerdy guy (like many of you here) is convinced--absolutely fucking convinced--that his Scream costume is alive and wants to possess him so as to spill blood. The story is about the suit calling to him and him resisting it. He goes so far as to imagine the suit leaving its prison in the attic where he stored it. In the end, he dons the mask and is gone underneath, with something else in his place. The suit now wears him. 4-The last one is a nod to all the bloodthirsty horror banger freaks. A doctor working long shifts in a hospital comes across his newly-minted wife fucking his boss. He snaps, rides the elevator downstairs, uncertain what to do, how to respond. Paralyzed yet looking for an answer, he finds it staring him in the face in the gift shop window: the Scream costume. Ghostface cuts loose (yeah, pun intended, go fuck yourself) and while we know who the killer is, we thrill to him stalking and killing first the staffers and people he thought he knew, and then finally his old boss and his new wife. That's how you can do Scream 4, if you absolutely have to. Doc
My fave Gen-Y 'knowing' horror flicks... by CorpseRide	Jan 12th, 2009 06:05:28 PM
Scream and Final Destination 2. And to the guy up above... Saw 1 was better than Scream 3. Whether that means Saw 1 was pretty good or Scream 3 sucked ass, I'll let you decide.
How to do a Scream 4... by CorpseRide	Jan 12th, 2009 06:08:13 PM
...have someone invent a J-horror style urban legend, and kill people off using it to conceal their real intention of murdering someone specific. Yes, that's more of an 'Urban Legend' remake than anything, but the UL series was never particularly good, and never took the J-horror route. Imagine if there was a plot like Ringu, except it was a Scream-style murder disguise, and done in a 'knowing' style, but still actually fairly scary, like the original Scream. I'd watch it.
Flim Springfield said it better than I did by I Dunno	Jan 12th, 2009 06:15:32 PM
Scream wasn't exactly a satire but it was a sort of send up of horror movies while still maintaining an actual story. To make a spoof of that was fucking retarded. They even named it "Scary Movie", which was the original working title of Scream. And they used the same fucking mask from the killer in Scream. How ham-handed was that? God that movie sucked.
I was 15-20 when these movies came out by Detective_Fingerling	Jan 12th, 2009 06:16:13 PM
and they were the most fun I've ever had in a theatre for a horror movie. The Scream series and the I know what you did movies and even Urban Legends were all great to take a girlfriend to back when playing sports and going to school dances were all the rage. I'm in for a 4th.
Behind the Mask > Scream Franchise by oh_riginal	Jan 12th, 2009 06:16:48 PM
I'd rather see a sequel to "Behind the Mask" than watch another "Scream" movie.
Can't Hardly Wait To Reunite by Spandau Belly	Jan 12th, 2009 06:17:02 PM
C'mon, Facebook can get J-Love and the crew back together for a Big Chill type movie!
Scream films by enderandrew	Jan 12th, 2009 06:17:52 PM
All three were decent, but neither Scream 2 nor Scream 3 added anything to the series, and can be seen as needless sequels. I can't see them really continuing with the original characters, though I'm glad in part 3, Neve Campbell's character finally had the sense to get a nice security system, a guard dog, and a gun. After someone tries to kill you twice, it should alter your behavior a bit. And I thought all the geeks here would appreciate Kennedy's film-geek character.
Doctor Cosmic by The Reluctant Austinite	Jan 12th, 2009 06:22:24 PM
Thanks. Your (uncopyrighted) script idea has just been submitted to a major studio that will change the names around and make the movie. If it works they'll make a mint and act they've never seen this site before. If it bombs they'll blame it on you.
SCREAM... by The InSneider	Jan 12th, 2009 06:24:51 PM
is one of the Top 25 Films of the 90s, without question.
C'mon, Reluctant by Doctor Cosmic	Jan 12th, 2009 06:26:35 PM
We both know my ideas are A) too good to actually be selected by any studio exec and B) no one of any import reads the talk back here, much less anyone with any real clout. And if they take it, they can have it. I doubt they'd have bought it outright from me anyway. Doc
I GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUT I GET UP AGAIN... by spud mcspud	Jan 12th, 2009 06:30:20 PM
Ain't never gonna keep me down! (Pissing the night away, pissing the niiiiight awaaaaaay...) Sorry. Mid-90s flashback there, and I got so drunk the year that song came out (96 in the Yoo-Kay) that I just got a little light-headed thinking about it. Ah, well... Oh, and SCREAM 4? Keep Ehren Kruger away from it, less lame-o tie-ins to the first movie (let's have a fucking copycat killer or something this time, not the janitor-from-the-first-movie's fucking mother or something), and make Wes Craven care about directing horror again, because SCREAM 1 and 2 were a loooooong time ago, buddy. Bottom line? I think this could be good, but only if the writer, director and fresh-faced new cast give enough of a shit to want it to work. Problem is, I think they'll all be performing with dollar $ign$ in front of their eyes...
Is there a market for traditional Horror anymore? by conspiracy	Jan 12th, 2009 06:33:35 PM
After all it has all been done before..and better at that. What with Torture/Horror Porn all the rage and the web full of all the real life Horror you can stomach...I just don't see this being a sucess if it's budget is a dime over 15 or 20M. Besides...you want to see Horror...Just wait till Transformers 2 hits the screen...scream away.
Here's how Scream 4 would be great by the_scream	Jan 12th, 2009 06:47:13 PM
Like Craven's New Nightmare, the film stars all the original cast playing themselves. Some guy, dressed in the costume is hunting down all the original cast from the first Scream, including Barrymore. A film like that would take the meta-awareness thing to a whole other level.
Ruined by shodan6672	Jan 12th, 2009 07:18:45 PM
The Scream franchise, while well-made, ruined horror for YEARS. Do we really need a cast full of beautiful people, with just about every scene being self-referential? Did we forget that this trend resulted in Urban Legend for fuck's sake?
Did I detect a hint of sacrasm, Mr. Beaks? by Geekgasm	Jan 12th, 2009 07:24:44 PM
I think I did.
who's REALLY behind the murders by crazy4dragons13	Jan 12th, 2009 07:25:24 PM
I think in scream 3 it was really the film producer who boned nevs mind who masterminded all three killing sprees, but actually the killer was ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Going back to the well please meet to many timess by Xiphos_2	Jan 12th, 2009 07:37:57 PM
The words cash grab seem to be coming to mind.
The writer of URBAN LEGEND... by Crabtree	Jan 12th, 2009 08:04:19 PM
...used to be a hairdresser?! Wow - what a surprise - not. That movie was a good opening scene followed by 90 minutes of inept bullshit. The writer (Silvio Horta) went on to create the equally horrifying TV series UGLY BETTY.
I always Know the Urban Legend of what you did last summer strik by the1980mutant	Jan 12th, 2009 08:05:56 PM
They should caste retarded people. That's the only way I will go. For Real.
Scream was excellent, sequels were garbage by Samuel Fulmer	Jan 12th, 2009 08:23:15 PM
The first Scream was great and I think it still holds up (even though the beyond self-aware mid-90's indy dialogue can be even more cringe inducing now). It was Wes Craven's comeback film, put Kevin Williamson on the map, and became a word of mouth phenomenon. But then the much hyped Scream 2 came out and was a lot less engaging, and had a terrible ending with killers that were in the rest of the movie for about a total of 5 minutes. And Scream 3 took the film series into further improbable oh wait that's the killer...what the hell territory. I can't imagine a 4 being any good. The self aware shit is dead. It's not the QT/Kevin Smith days anymore. I can't see this working, but it will have a big opening weekend, and they can throw a 4th disc into the DVD set, quality be damned.
What has Craven ever done that was so great? by FILMFUNK	Jan 12th, 2009 08:35:26 PM
Please Help me out here because other than some foosty old hillbilly movies and the first Nightmare on Elm Street I don't get the legendary director status!?
Scream 2 wasn't too bad by Cruel_Kingdom	Jan 12th, 2009 08:36:15 PM

I interviewed both of these guys about ten years ago... by Cruel_Kingdom	Jan 12th, 2009 08:38:14 PM
and they both SWORE they would never do another SCREAM movie. I guess, as Wesley Snipes says in NEW JACK CITY, "Money talks and bullshit runs the marathon."
the_scream: I just came to post the "New Nightmare" idea too! by Flim Springfield	Jan 12th, 2009 08:46:33 PM
Killing Drew Barrymore in the first scene again- but this time she's playing Drew Barrymore- would be hilarious. The trick would be stretching the joke for 90 minutes.
Scream 3 was garbage... by The_Closet_Nerd	Jan 12th, 2009 08:50:59 PM
and all the cameos they stuck in it were a dead give away. But I had read some where that Stone Cold Steve Austin was supposed to be in it as a police officer. About half way through, realizing what a piece of garbage the movie was, my friend and I began saying that the best thing that could happen was for Austin to show up at the end of the film and just begin stunning everyone on screen. (There was no one in the theater, so we didn't disturb anyone.) And if he had, that would have improved the film 10 fold, at least! Let's hope this one collapses before it ever gets to the filming stage.
A good idea, actually, but lose the original cast pronto... by Librerarian	Jan 12th, 2009 08:52:02 PM
...with a brand new cast and new storyline (just keep the ghost face killer) and an edgier, harder, less jokey approach to the material, this could be something. I think something about this basic narrative and Wes Craven just clicks, as long as they don't play it for laughs too much (which is part of what hurt Scream 3... it was a cartoon). The original cast will just invite more in-jokes and lame self-reference, which we don't need more of. Having Sydney involved in Scream 3 was already a HUGE stretch... after the first three films, those three wouldn't be caught anywhere near a situation like that... Sydney is already probably in at least three witness protection programs by now. Unless the three of them die before the opening credits or something (that'd be a shocking twist), keep them out of it. We've heard their story.
Scream > Scream 3 > Scream 2 > 99% horror films since then. by Kid Idioteque	Jan 12th, 2009 08:52:44 PM
I hope the leads return in more than cameo roles, although they weren't in much of Scream 3, and I enjoyed that flick. So sue me. The first is great, though.
White Goodman... by The_Closet_Nerd	Jan 12th, 2009 08:59:09 PM
I agree with you. Please Kill Matthew Lillard. Actually, put him in a car with Jamie Kennedy and drive them BOTH off a cliff. A high one. With a bed of explosives at the bottom to cushion their fall.
Neve Campbell should go crazy and kill people by snowpuff	Jan 12th, 2009 09:31:32 PM
I always thought they missed an opportunity in the third film. They should have turned the tables and had Neve's character start hunting the people trying to kill her.
I don't know what to say about this by Charlie_Allnut	Jan 12th, 2009 09:33:16 PM
I was still getting hammered at keg parties working on flunking out of college when the last one came out. Never really saw the appeal of these beyond the first one...I think it was a late 90's thing. This won't work a decade later me thinks.
How about the unrated cut of the first film on DVD? by Nasty In The Pasty	Jan 12th, 2009 09:38:33 PM
I'm AMAZED this hasn't happened yet. The Scream laserdisc (dated myself severely here) had some extra gore that has yet to be on any DVD version (despite the commentary referring to footage that was taken out!). As for the series as a whole, the first IS one of the best horror films of the 90's, and people bitching that it "ruined" horror probably blame Star Wars for movies like Krull. Scream 2 obviously lacked the delightful surprise of the original, but still had some great kills and laughs. I actually wore a Ghostface mask to the theater when I saw 3 (how geeky...), and while I enjoyed the film enough at the time, it retrospect the series was coasting on fumes, turning the sly satire of the first two films into outright slapstick buffoonery (I still laugh thinking about the Black Guy screeching "PO-LEEEEEEEEEECE! GET AWAY FROM ME, MOTHAFUCKA...!" when he gets stabbed). If they really must do part four, they should finally kill off Neve Campbell's character for good (that's why part three sucked...for all it's "rules" about long-running series characters getting killed off in part three sequels, all three of the surviving leads from the first two didn't die). Campbell gets killed off in the pre-credits sequence, Courney Cox and Deputy Dewey follow later in the movie, and a new group of CW hotties have to figure out who's the killer (making references to how "dated" the first film was).
Who are the ad wizards... by wampa 1	Jan 12th, 2009 09:39:08 PM
...that came up with this one?
L A M E - O by Randfilms	Jan 12th, 2009 11:09:45 PM
Super lame. ...But can dig the money whore aspect. Get the bucks! Yeah! Scream 4.
Kid Idioteque, I salute you. by NinjaRap	Jan 12th, 2009 11:09:59 PM
I completely agree with everything you said.
Right on Nasty. by The Reluctant Austinite	Jan 12th, 2009 11:18:13 PM
I still don't own the original "Scream" on dvd because I'm still waiting (10 years later!) for that uncut director's version. I also own the laserdisc, and yes, we're both old as dirt.
Scream is still okay but the others are shit by reflecto	Jan 12th, 2009 11:38:44 PM
The original draft of SCREAM 2 was amazing, with the many, many killers and the nihilistic bloodbath ending. The final rushed product was shit. And S3 is not worth mentioning. Also, Neve Campbell could not act to save her life.
I think this is... by 420 Boylston St	Jan 12th, 2009 11:55:49 PM
not a good idea. I think third film was so bad and I thought their last collaboration was really horrible and also the who done it horror films are so 90's. I honestly believe the time is not right for Scream. Not too many decent horror movies have come out to warrant a quiz/ savant reference horror film. Plus there are so many Michael Bay horror -IBLE movies now--which are laughably bad-- I don't see the point in making one --unless there's a demand for it and there honestly isn't.
If you didn't know what Wes and Kevin's... by 420 Boylston St	Jan 13th, 2009 12:00:13 AM
last collaboration? It was the dreadful werewolf film titled "CURSED". Pure piece of shit! From the scream like sequences and plot twists to the pussy footing female transforming into a cgi man cartoon into the rubber werewolf costume. Flipping the bird and all. I HATE THAT MOVIE!
Wes Craven! by laraz	Jan 13th, 2009 12:05:06 AM
He has sold out and hasnt made a decent movie since A NightMare on Elm Street! So it wouldnt suprise me that he would whore himself again! Wes Craven, bend over and take the money that they will shove up your ass! Not only did you let Hollywood Remake The Hills Have Eyes, & the classic The Last House on The Left! You are now letting them remake the only film that gives you any credit as a decent film-maker? A NightMare on Elm Street! Please go hang yourself and do us all a favor!
Nasty in the Pasty: Not just gore was cut. by Some Dude	Jan 13th, 2009 12:06:33 AM
I saw the film many months before it was released. Sure, it was gorier, but the phone calls were also much more verbally abusive. Adding to the charm was the complete lack of soundtrack and credits.
Horror films are stupid by SlickyVonBoner	Jan 13th, 2009 12:52:19 AM
because they are never scary.
The serpent and the rainbow is Wes Craven best film by Gorgomel	Jan 13th, 2009 01:38:17 AM

3 Thing's That Chuck doesn by ChuckImania	Jan 13th, 2009 02:11:10 AM

SCREAM = THE END OF SLASHER MOVIES by theplant	Jan 13th, 2009 02:13:45 AM
MOCKERY
3 Thing's That Chuck Doesn't Want To See Happen in 2009 by ChuckImania	Jan 13th, 2009 02:15:53 AM
1. The assassination of Barrack Obama. 2. Me knocking up some random chick then having to coheres here into getting an abortion. 3. A rough draft of Screen 4.
No need!! by MrFloppy	Jan 13th, 2009 02:47:10 AM
I LOVE the original Trilogy, no need for more. But... if it's written by Williamson (I hate him for not wrote Scream 3) and directed by Craven, and has NOTHING to do with the original trilogy (besides cameos) and it's R-rated, I'm ok.
Blu-Ray by MrFloppy	Jan 13th, 2009 02:50:25 AM
When will they release them on Blu-Ray?
Hey, I Dunno by lsleelee	Jan 13th, 2009 02:58:29 AM
I actually prefer "I Know Jennifer Love Hewett's What Breasts Did Last Summer" cause just randomly sticking "JLH's breasts" in there in a way that makes no sense and contributes to nothing is actually a pretty good commentary on those films.
also fuck Kevin Williamson by lsleelee	Jan 13th, 2009 03:02:10 AM
I had to watch the entire first season of Dawson's Creek in first-run 'cause my best friends at the time were all girls. Fuck this guy. I loved the first Scream but the only way I'll see a fourth one (or anything else by Williamson) is if we get Scarlet Johanssen full frontal nudity. And even then it's probably just a rental.
Scream 4.... by ReZourceman	Jan 13th, 2009 03:27:51 AM
Scream Harder.
Nobody wants "Behind the Mask 2"??? by oh_riginal	Jan 13th, 2009 03:32:57 AM
Really? I thought it was so much better than "Scream". If not, it was at least better than the sequels.
Scream by SUPERJIM	Jan 13th, 2009 04:08:04 AM
I was 15/16 when Scream was released which means I was probably part of the target audience. It worked, me and my friends thought it was great. I am not sure but I think the 2nd and 3rd instalments actually went down well with us too. Not being in that age group any more, I can't see the new one working for me (obviously) but I hope they make it. Teens might actually enjoy it.
Scream by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 04:15:09 AM
was important. It gets a lot of shit now, and to be honest it is to blame for all the horrid post modern shite that followed, but remember what a fucking mess horror was in before it. It totally revitalised a dead genre, and was a fucking good film in its own right. The sequels? shit. Behind the mask is good- the real stroke of genius they had with that was dropping the documentary style 2/3rd's of the way through. Superb film.
Johnny Depp by Jackson Healy	Jan 13th, 2009 05:03:07 AM
An early rumor about the third Scream's storyline, based on a KW idea, had Johnny Depp making a cameo; and it turns out he's the killer at the end. Except, the twist was that he plays himself, as Johnny Depp, doing all the killings. Very post-modern and breaks the fourth wall. I think an idea like this could be appropriated to form the basis of a 4th Scream. And with KW writing it, I think it's got tons of potential.
1 Guess : PG-13 by theBigE	Jan 13th, 2009 06:12:11 AM
Am I right?
CorpseRide by RobFromBackEast	Jan 13th, 2009 06:57:27 AM
Saw was essentially a photocopy of Seven and other far superior serial killer films. It had an interesting hook but that was it. The sequels are fucking atrocious, every last fucking one of them. So, even the fact that you're comparing the third film in one franchise to the first in another speaks volumes. Scream 3 is the weakest, but still vastly superior to that insipid Saw shit.
laraz by RobFromBackEast	Jan 13th, 2009 07:01:12 AM
He hasn't made a good movie since A Nightmare on Elm Street!? Have you seen all of his films!? The People Under the Stairs, The Serpent and the Rainbow? Not to mention fucking Scream. I Love John Carpenter, but he's off somewhere playing Xbox and smoking joints; Wes Craven is still making horror for the fucking masses.
After Cursed... by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Jan 13th, 2009 07:13:50 AM
didn't Craven say he'd never work for the Weinsteins again?
Nasty - You Can Get The Unrated Cut! by Croweyes1121	Jan 13th, 2009 07:22:14 AM
It's a Danish release, I believe. I have it. Region 0. Plays perfectly.
Scream 4: No Neve, Courtney, David by Mr. Profit	Jan 13th, 2009 08:09:08 AM
Seriously, they shouldn't disrespect those characters by killing them. While I enjoyed Scream and Scream 2, Scream 3's Columbine influenced bloodless stabbings were not my fave. But it wasn't a terrible film. It just had a random killer reveal and was too much of a comedy. But the end of that film with everyone finding some sort of peace is how these characters should stay. Remaking New Nightmare by having them play themselves would be silly. Having Neve be the killer wouldn't make sense. And having Neve become a guidance counselor at Woodsboro would be stupidity. If they are going to do this, have it set in the same universe, new kids, copycat murders with no ties to the original 3. Let the "Stab" series within the series be in the films distant history. Since they would be starting fresh here, have this movie be a deconstruction of the remake/reboot/reimagining trend in horror. Have there be a subplot about a remake of "Stab". And you can even joke about remakes that haven't happened like a remake to The Exorcist with Julia Roberts in the Ellen Burstyn role and Dakota Fanning as Regan.
Fleshwound Video sells the Unrated DVD by Mr. Profit	Jan 13th, 2009 08:48:35 AM
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God, I certainly hope not... by Halloween68	Jan 13th, 2009 08:56:05 AM
I grew tired of SCREAM during the first one. Yes kids...it's 90210 with a serial killer. How novel. Craven and Williamson are hacks. Especially Williamson who I met in college. Craven made a career off one movie (NIGHTMARE) and then falling into high profile studio projects. He kind of became the poster boy for Hollywood horror movies. Forget about the fact that he doesn't have the catalog to back it up. He's a studio fav and he hasn't made a good picture in 39 years, SCREAM included. I find it funny when people get excited that Craven's going to direct a new movie. What was his last movie? Oh yeah that Dawson's Creek guy and Christina Ricci werewolf movie. How'd that work out for ya?
"Piper" from Charmed tried out for Neve's role by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2009 09:08:47 AM
in the original. She's a much better actress. Piper won out in the end though, as I'm sure she's making more money as a producer of Charmed's 9 year run than Neve did in...what else was she in besides the lesbian scene with Denise Richards?
Spoiling / Summarizing Scream 1 - 3 in this post by Squashua	Jan 13th, 2009 09:12:09 AM
Pre-Scream: Sidney's mother was an actress who was gang-raped by some producers and actors on a set. She gave birth to a boy who she gave up for adoption. The mother then moved to the town in Scream 1, where she married Sidney's father and gives birth to Sidney. The mother starts having an affair with Billy Loomis' father. Sidney's half-brother tracks down the happy family and puts things into motion by coaxing Billy Loomis into killing the mother and more... Scream 1: The death of the mother is blamed on Cotton Weary, played by New Sabretooth. Billy and his pal decide to take out Sidney's family and it gets out of control and many people die. Billy and his psychopathic friend (Shaggy from Scooby Doo) are killed. Sidney, Arquette and Cox survive. Scream 2: Billy Loomis' mother hires a psychopath and they track down Sidney at college and try to murder her. The mother and psychopath are killed. Sidney, Arquette and Cox survive. Scream 3: The half-brother produces a movie based on the events on Scream 1 (Stab!) and sets up a series of murders to draw Sidney out of hiding so he can kill her. Sidney is drawn out, and discovers the truth behind her mother and the existence of her half-brother, who she kills. Sidney, Arquette and Cox survive and are now living together.
NOOOOOOOOOO by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 09:16:46 AM
Wes Craven won't do another Nightmare film but has been persuaded to do another crappy Scream flick? New Nightmare is an underrated horror masterpiece that truly exemplifies Craven's talent. The Scream movies did to horror what Batman & Robin did to comic book movies. FACT.
I can't remember any of them by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 13th, 2009 09:20:11 AM
I recall seeing them, and appreciating the little horror movie tributes in the first movie, but the rest was forgettable...and I have indeed forgotten
sithdan by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 09:27:04 AM
Rubbish. Scream revitalised horror. It was the endless postmodern knock offs (Cherry Falls- I'm looking at you) that did that and paved the way for torture porn.
Squashua, besides the proper names... by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2009 09:32:12 AM
....that sounds exactly like my family story. Eerie. Sithdan, I disagree with that. Scream took horror movies in a new direction, which it sorely needed. Batman and Robin and to a lesser extent Batman Forever (same director) tore down what Burton tried to do with his films, which was bring it out of the campiness of the TV series. What Scream did was recognize the tired banality of the 1980s slasher genre and turn it on itself. In that respect it wasn't all that different than New Nightmare.
No batman And Robin was a bad movie by Lovecraftfan	Jan 13th, 2009 09:34:08 AM
Scream was a great movie. There is not one similarity. Batman And Robin killed the frachise for a while because it was so bad.
Hope they finally get Cox in this one. by cookylamoo	Jan 13th, 2009 09:38:20 AM
I've been waiting.
Heeeey, look at Beaks with a sense of humor! by D.Vader	Jan 13th, 2009 09:39:41 AM
It's like the late 90's all over again. And Scream 3 isn't totally forgetable. It had Lance Henriksen in it, with cameos by Jay and Silent Bob and roger Corman!
Scream = the plague of horror by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 09:51:29 AM
No, Scream was a harbinger for teenybopper crap like I Know What You Did Last Summer, Urban Legend, and Final Destination. It inviscerated the horror genre in the late 1990s.
Because horror films prior to Scream... by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Jan 13th, 2009 09:59:41 AM
didn't feature teenagers. I forgot the golden days of horror featuring scantily clad elderly people frollicking in the lake at summer camp while a masked maniac picks them off one by one.
You gotta give Scream3 credit for being consistent in theme by D.Vader	Jan 13th, 2009 10:05:02 AM
... Consistent in theme. In the end, these films are realy all about family and how family can fuck you up. In that way, the Scream series mimics early slasher films in which the virgin girl who played by the rules (didn't drink, smoke, or have sex) survives and kills the killer. The cautionary tale of Scream supports strong family values. If Syd's mom hadn't been such a tramp, all this death and mayhem would never have happened.
Williams is a hack by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 10:08:51 AM
The Golden Age of Horror rarely featured teenagers. Movies in the 1930s like Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolfman and The Mummy all featured adult actors/characters. Although it's obviously true that most horror movies in the 1980s featured younger actors, the films at least took themselves more seriously and focused on the horror, not witty dialogue and annoying humor. How many times is does the word "like" surface in that hack Kevin Williams' scripts?
The first two films were damn good. by rbatty024	Jan 13th, 2009 10:09:45 AM
For all of the talk of post-modern horror, the best thing Scream did was to make the victims into actual characters. I, for one, was actually rooting for people to live, whereas in most horror films I'm usually waiting for the fodder to get knocked off. Also, Scream pretty much killed off the old and dying slasher franchise, which couldn't have been done sooner. That doesn't mean I'm terribly interested in seeing a fourth film after the terrible third movie, but I have to count myself as a fan of the first two Scream films.
SCREAM INSPIRED REAL LIFE THRILL KILL OF PIZZA DELIVERY GUY by BringingSexyBack	Jan 13th, 2009 10:18:57 AM
It's true. I can do without another Scream.
The films that Scream is referencing aren't... by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Jan 13th, 2009 10:19:33 AM
"Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolfman and The Mummy". They were 80's exploitation horror films featuring teenagers being stalked and murdered. One that does is Van Helsing! Yowzer!
Wake me up when by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 10:22:11 AM
Wes Craven does another Nightmare on Elm Street film. Until then, count me out of any Scream crap.
Christ you're stupid. by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 10:27:09 AM
"The Golden Age of Horror"? How is that relevant? at all? You can't blame scream for Hollywood's whorish bandwagon jumping. I think you're a 17 year old with an overly read copy of Halliwell's.
Sithdan by RobFromBackEast	Jan 13th, 2009 10:31:27 AM
There are so many things wrong with that stupid fucking post.
Sithdan- Fail by D.Vader	Jan 13th, 2009 10:34:15 AM
Sorry dude. Not doing so well.
New Nightmare is the movie that defined 1990s horror by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 10:39:26 AM
NOT Scream.
Erm, no. by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 10:42:22 AM
New Nightmare, while clever did not capture the zeitgeist on anywhere near the same scale as Scream. Scream was important, if not seminal, and was totally necessary to revitalise what was a tired and shitey genre.
New Nightmare wasn't popular enough by D.Vader	Jan 13th, 2009 10:43:06 AM
And it works better on a meta level than it does as a deconstruction of modern horror. Sorry Situdan. Still failing.
Scream = A pox on the horror genre by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 10:44:20 AM
Discuss
Sithdan= a complete fucking imbecile by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 10:46:23 AM
with the debating skills of an autistic monkey. Discuss.
I'll give you an actual pox on the horror genre by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 10:47:19 AM
Hostel, Saw or Rob Zombie.
New Nightmare showcased Craven's talents; by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 10:49:27 AM
Scream was a glorified B movie. Discuss.
Sithdan's father should have pulled out. Discuss. by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 10:51:22 AM
How is that constructing an argument. Well, fuck, you've convinced me. Scream is obviously a load of shite. How could I have been so blind?
Sithdan has realized he's lost by D.Vader	Jan 13th, 2009 11:00:32 AM
It's obvious he's no longer even trying.
Thank Scream for by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 11:03:56 AM
I Know What You Did Last Summer...Urban Legend...Halloween H20...Final Destination. New Nightmare stands on its own merits.
Not really interested.. by cifra	Jan 13th, 2009 11:04:20 AM
1. Jamie Kennedy's character died in #2, and no, a short cameo on videotape wasn't enough on #3rd. 2. The trilogy stands well as it stands. 3. The cameos by Cox, Arquette and Campbell would obviously be their murders at the beginning of the movie, most likely, and the movie would play on her sons/daughters. 4. I'd rather have this one rebooted, than prolongued.
Scream isn't true horror by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 11:09:14 AM
It's a date movie for teenagers with no lives.
Jesus, give up by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 11:17:13 AM
either come up with some justification for your preposterous opinions, or fuck off. The fact that Scream spawned so many imitators should tell you about it's influence.
I do agree that New Nightmare gave Craven ideas by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2009 11:18:18 AM
...to take the concept further. It was the beginning of him getting bored with the same 1980s slasher shit and try something new. As for the "Golden Age" of horror, as with all people who wax nostalgic about old movies, that guy's forgetting the shit-ton of "Dracula meets the Wolfman's Son of Frankenstein hook up with Abbot and Costello and the Little Rascals" masterpieces that came out in the 40's and 50's. That's why people think that movies were so much better back then than they are now. Some of them certainly were. But there was also a lot of crap. And given the few number of movies released back then as compared to now, the percentage of crap back then was probably higher.
Kevin Williamson should throw in the proverbial towel by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 11:25:15 AM
Let's look at Kevin Williamson's illustrious resume. Cursed Dawson's Creek Teaching Mrs. Tingle The Faculty Scream 2 I Know What You Did Last Summer Scream Man, we've got some winners on there.
Again, New Nightmare- great. BUT... by D.Vader	Jan 13th, 2009 11:28:02 AM
... Not that influential.
Talking about throwing in the towel.... by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 11:28:10 AM
You really should look into that, chief.
Sithdan - Wrong, dude by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 11:48:14 AM
I'll give you URBAN LEGEND - how the fuck could Rebecca Gayheart haul a quarterback on the end of a rope 30 feet up a tree, with him resisting? SHITE! - and HALLOWEEN H20 was just embarrassing. Though not as bad as HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION. "Happy Halloween motherfucker!" However... FINAL DESTINATION - First original idea since the dawn of the new slasher move era that started with SCREAM (sorry dude - I also enjoyed NEW NIGHTMARE, but it never caught the zeitgeist, or had as much of an influence on successive slasher movies, than SCREAM), and where exactly is the smart-assed dialogue? Devon Sawa plays it straight, and the deaths are, for once, actually quite suspenseful and cleverly constructed. The series hasn't diminished (just saw part 3 last night and enjoyed the hell out of it - and Mary Elizabeth Winstead ;P) with sequels, and still has a strong-as-hell premise. I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER - Atmospheric as hell, very creepy, decent horrific murders (watch Sarah Michelle Gellar trying to escape and tell me that's not quality slasher stuff) and a half-decent ending. The sequels? Shite. Two out of four, I'll give you. FINAL DESTINATION and the first I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER are examples of half decent slasher movies since SCREAM - compare them to fucking abominations like Rupert Wainwright's THE FOG, the AMITYVILLE HORROR remake, BOOGEYMAN, THEY (WHY the FUCK didn't they stick to the original script? Best horror script I've ever read - FACT), DARKNESS FALLS, and any number of other vacuous teen-led CGI mostrousities that are scary for all the wrong reasons. And all you Craven doubters - THE PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS is awesome on so many levels, even Ving Rhames had a cameo in it. Oh yeah. But serously, that film is fucking awesome. As for the Williamson bashing - I agree, though you can't deny THE FACULTY was fantastic entertainment. Though the entertainment value is probably due to the great cast and Robert Rodriguez, whose name on a movie fucking guarantees my buying a ticket...
New Nightmare influential? by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 11:48:51 AM

New Nightmare influential? by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 11:51:18 AM
Only in the same way that STUDENT BODIES influenced SCARY MOVIE. Great little movie, nobody but a very few saw it, and a movie that resembles it a few years later comes out and surprises EVERYONE. Oh, and Sithdan? ALL slasher movies were great date movie fodder. Take a hot chick to a movie, have her get terrified, she grabs onto you for solace and support, you stick your dick through the bottom of a popcorn bucket / grab her breast "by mistake". Oh. Just me, then...
Best horror of the 90s? by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 11:54:22 AM
SOCIETY is the greatest horror movie of the 1990s. Discuss, but not with Spud McSpud, because no matter how compelling your argument, I am right and you are wrong. From the FILM REVIEW review of SOCIETY: "Special Effect are created by Screaming Mad George, and never was a man so aptly named." Best horror/comedy of the 90s. FACT.
He's my new hero by Lost Jarv	Jan 13th, 2009 12:02:47 PM
Screaming Mad George FOR THE WIN MOTHERFUCKERS. Were you quoting me there, potato boy?
None of Williams' movies are actual horror by Sithdan	Jan 13th, 2009 12:22:16 PM
They're tailored for general audiences, not horror fans. If you want good horror satire, stick with Night of the Creeps. Williams basically softened the slasher genre and made it digestible for the mainstream.
I hope the killer uses Myspace or text messaging by Vern	Jan 13th, 2009 12:41:16 PM
whutz u fave scary movie? scary movie 3 was so funny!!!!!!! lolz no not scary movie fave horror movie !????? texas chainsaw was SOOOOOOO scary!!!!!!!!! original or remake? my friends say i look like j. biel!!! :) look out your window
Jarv by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 12:54:22 PM
Did you write for FILM REVIEW in the early 90s? If so, quite possibly... I love the mad atmosphere of SOCIETY - Billy Warlock being this rich, spoilt Beverly Hills brat, but who doesn't quite feel like he fits in, and when he finds out why - just WOW. Those effects have NEVER been bettered - not how real they are, but how viscerally fucked-up they are. James Gunn's SLITHER owes A LOT to SOCIETY SFX-wise, and it's all the better for it. Definitely Screaming Mad George FTW!
Vern by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 12:55:38 PM
Why wot iz outside? U IZ A MINGA Fuck u U IZ A MINGA crowd cheers as a knife shatters the phone and pins it to the dumb-ass teen's forehead Ghostface FOR THE WIN!!!
CURSED by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 12:57:48 PM
I bought Wes Craven's CURSED for £1 from my local Somerfields. Sheer morbid curiousity, and the fact that - hey, it's only a £1. I'm now accepting ideas on how best to prepare myself for this onslaught on my senses...
Society is one of the 10 best films of all time. by Some Dude	Jan 13th, 2009 01:00:18 PM
I hope Harry plays it at BNAT one of these years.
Vern by Squashua	Jan 13th, 2009 01:00:18 PM
moar like "luk out ur windo"
Screaming Mad George by spud mcspud	Jan 13th, 2009 01:05:59 PM
He has one hell of a CV!Check this: SFX technician on POLTERGEIST 2 (probably designed that fucked-up tequila worm) and BIG TROULE IN LITTLE CHINA (greatest movie ever. FACT) Make-up SFX on ELM STREET 3 and 4, the seminal SOCIETY, the under-rated FREAKED (Keanu as Dogboy!), and JACK FROST. SFX crew on PREDATOR (fucking PREDATOR!!!), ELM ST 4 (cockroach death), ARENA (ROBOT JOX's under-rated sibling), BRIDE OF RE-ANIMATOR, THE GUYVER, NECRONOMICON, SPACE TRUCKERS (love the square pigs!), BEYOD RE-ANIMATOR... Born Joji Tani, 7 October 1956, in Osaka, Japan. The man. The legend. SCREAMING MAD GEORGE.
Cool, sounds like a bag of poop! by pokadoo	Jan 13th, 2009 01:38:36 PM
Hope it's "stars" Katie Holmes, who surprise dies at the start of the film. One by one, Jack, Jen Grams & Pacey all get picked off. The killers (surpreeze) turn out to be James VanDerBeek & Christian Bale, The Bateman Boys! This is all set in space, obviously!
Vern by Cruel_Kingdom	Jan 13th, 2009 01:40:18 PM
Lk ot ur wndo lol
Steaming Pile of Epic Fail by ScottinDC	Jan 13th, 2009 03:35:34 PM
Does anyone care about these smug self-indulgent wink wink nudge nudge popcorn snore-fests? The first Scream was a tad lame but a guilty pleasure at best...the rest have been vapid soulless disasters.
SCRE4M by turketron	Jan 13th, 2009 04:42:39 PM
You all disappoint me.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO NEXT SUMMER by turketron	Jan 13th, 2009 04:46:01 PM
Cumming soon.
Hey, maybe they'll actually follow through on 3's tagline... by MyManD316	Jan 13th, 2009 04:57:11 PM
...that the 'rules' no longer apply. Remember when we are all, to varying degrees, excited when they promised that Scream 3 would break all the rules of a slasher flick? Remember when Wes Craven was crucified to the bargain bin when he decided not to break a single one? Maybe this time he'll live up to that promise, only a decade or so too late.
I agree that Scream 2 wasn't half bad by Librerarian	Jan 13th, 2009 06:22:56 PM
The first two thirds, at least, were a good film that lived up to expectations. The ending was the main disappointment... they should have used Kevin Williamson's original ending, where Sydney's boyfriend, her roommate, and eventually Cotton Weary are all the killers... and I think Sydney died at the end. THAT might've topped the original. As is, though, it's a watchable slasher film.
Vern lol by The Reluctant Austinite	Jan 13th, 2009 06:24:02 PM
That was funny.
Final suggestion: Rob Zombie-fy ghostface by Librerarian	Jan 13th, 2009 06:25:37 PM
Seriously. Ghostface needs to be meaner if this is going to work. Make him bigger, scarier, more lethal, and give him a deeper, darker voice. Old ghostface, in this day and age, doesn't have the same impact.
I lack Scream nostalgia by fastcars	Jan 13th, 2009 06:29:45 PM
I think the first two movies on VHS are buried somewhere at my parent's house. Do they really think they're going to "franchise" this? It's frozen in time, too hip to be campy and too campy to be hip. Let's have another Freddy movie!
scream 4: i scream... by noiretblanc	Jan 13th, 2009 07:08:49 PM
therefore i am. make that shit post-post-modern, yo
scream is an odd word. by noiretblanc	Jan 13th, 2009 07:12:01 PM
it doesn't look like it's spelled right when it's actually spelled right. (this is both an actual observation and a potential post-post-modern tagline)
Meh by NeoDevilbaneX	Jan 13th, 2009 08:17:07 PM
Scream 1 and 2 were great fun back in the day but Scream 3 sucked balls. I could probably give a "10 Years Later" type of Scream 4 a shake, but going the New Nightmare route... some kind of quasi-horror parody of a quasi-horror parody... yeah, count me out.
LOL, Chumbawumba by GilbertRSmith	Jan 13th, 2009 09:39:59 PM
That reminds me, you ever see any of those late nineties/early 2000's Rob Schneider comedies where, instead of adding jokes to the script, they just play "Allstar" by Smash Mouth while showing Schneider like, walking down the street, or just taking a nap?
So now the genuinely well made and tense Scream by Lovecraftfan	Jan 13th, 2009 09:54:49 PM
is a guilty pleasure. Wow the internet can be so depressing at times.
I Scream, You Scream... by Nasty In The Pasty	Jan 13th, 2009 10:21:36 PM
...We All Scream For Ice Cream!
Will Jay and Silent Bob be back? by robertkent.net	Jan 14th, 2009 12:07:07 AM

This movie could really only be good if it stared Bruce Campbell by robertkent.net	Jan 14th, 2009 12:07:49 AM
And it was called Evil Dead 4
The first one was great! by yodaismyhomie	Jan 14th, 2009 10:19:16 AM
part 2 was tolerable but it wasn't necessary at all. The third one was awful. I'm hoping the 4th is good again. Perhaps they could make Neve Campbell one of the killers...that would be a nice change. Let her kill everyone.
I want Scream 4 to take place in the real world by D.Vader	Jan 14th, 2009 11:59:02 AM
Like New Nightmare. The_scream has a brilliant idea. Scream 4 should have a killer so influenced by the Scream series that he becomes an obsessive stalker to Neve Campbell and begins to kill everyone who was in the movies. Drew Barrymore should play herself and be killed in the opening. Jerry O'Connel should complain to his agent or hot new wife Rebecca Romijn how he needs an acting job, but then he gets whacked by Ghostface. Even Wes Craven gets killed. This could be a brilliant send-up/parody of Hollywood and is, I think, the best possible idea for another movie, and the easiest and most believable way to include the same cast. And McDreamy should get killed on the set of Grey's Anatomy when Ghostface dresses up as a surgeon.
Anyone agree? by D.Vader	Jan 14th, 2009 12:15:19 PM
Come on! Maybe if this TB gets back into the Top Ten the idea will gain some traction and the producers will roll with it.
Jada Pinkett would get killed... by D.Vader	Jan 14th, 2009 12:29:56 PM
And Will Smith, upon seeing her bloody corpse, would shout "Ah, Hell nah!" before being stabbed in the head. As he dies, the theme song to "Fresh Prince" plays before the fade out.
Jamie kennedy does standup in LA by D.Vader	Jan 14th, 2009 12:46:12 PM
And ends up using a raciel slur in his act over and over and it ends up on YouTube due to captured footage on someone's cell phone. This causes a public outrage, and Kennedy starts dressing up in costumes like in his show The Jamie Kennedy experiment to avoid angry mobs on the street. Then, of course, he turns up dead, stabbed multiple times in the face.
Wes Craven could be producing a horror remake by D.Vader	Jan 14th, 2009 12:50:38 PM
And react to the angry geek community on the internets, putting in a little commentary on how much horror remakes suck. Maybe he's remaking the first Scream, and Wes gets killed wearing the Freddy sweater for his second Fred the Janitor cameo. Of course the killer is going to end up being an angry, obsessive, Internet fanboy. Kennedy's Randy character gone wrong.
Ghostface killing the shit out of some myspacers by The Amazing G	Jan 16th, 2009 03:32:50 AM
I'd see it

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