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Darren Aronofsky is calling upon SAG to bring Wrestlers into the Union?!?!?

Interesting by mefrog	Dec 29th, 2008 12:03:35 AM
Haven't read the article yet, but that statement is an interesting point.
Amen by LeckoManiac	Dec 29th, 2008 12:05:27 AM
The lack of protection for wrestlers is embarassing. It is almost akin to the lack of protection for comic book writers.
Sounds Right by Crow3711	Dec 29th, 2008 12:06:57 AM
Makes Complete sense to me. Any one with a job like that deserves a legitimate union and benefits.
agreed by Bloo	Dec 29th, 2008 12:07:55 AM
and with the Publicity THE WRESTLER is getting it might make an impact, but watch McMahon and TNA's owners to fight it
vince is gonna go ape shit....... by JeanLuc Dickhard	Dec 29th, 2008 12:12:51 AM
just saying....
Why not? by Charlie_Allnut	Dec 29th, 2008 12:13:07 AM
If people get in for being in retarded commercials and what not why not wrestlers?
Best solution I've heard to this Huge Problem by HectorTesticulo	Dec 29th, 2008 12:19:43 AM
This is a problem akin to the NFL retirees seeking compensation from the players union but on an exponential level. One person has stood in the way of unionization - yes, Vince McMahon. This would be the only way to clean things up. Though I haven't seen the movie, this has the best chance since Beyond the Mat to get this conversation into the mainstream.
Whats Next! by laraz	Dec 29th, 2008 12:20:53 AM
Aronofsky's argument is silly and lame. With a director such as him with a good ass looking wife at home to poke (Rachel Weisz) how did one get so lucky, he should have other things on his mind. Because he does a film about how lame a wrestler is they should be in SAG! Fuck off you twat, you only made one great film (Requim for a Dream) and a ok one (The Wrestler)! Whats next? Is Steven Soderbergh going to go to SAG to demand them the same attention because he is filming a new movie with a pornstar! You lame ass directors get over your selfs, its cinema, not a moral high road to make yourself look or seem like a saint to the disadvantage!
They deserve it, but would it by Forthesakeofhumanity	Dec 29th, 2008 12:23:36 AM
To my limited knowledge on this subject, the majority of wrestlers out there today are simply picked up and dropped at a whim by the promoters and have very little rights. I expect that the more established bigger name wrestlers are better protected, but a lot of the small-time wrestlers seem willing to pretty much accept whatever contractual terms are offered to them for a shot at the big time. I don't know off-hand what effect it would have on the Sports Entertainment industry if wrestlers became elligible for the rights available to SAG members, but it would certainly have a massive impact on pro wrestling, particularly in terms of insurance since unlike in regular TV acting, for these guys injuries are a foregone conclusion regardless of the safety measures - unless restrictions were brought in to tone down the level of violence in the matches, and that would pretty much kill the industry! I hope their rights as performers do improve though as I have a lot of respect for what they do to their bodies (and each others) for our entertainment.
They deserve it, but would it ruin wrestling? by Forthesakeofhumanity	Dec 29th, 2008 12:23:44 AM
To my limited knowledge on this subject, the majority of wrestlers out there today are simply picked up and dropped at a whim by the promoters and have very little rights. I expect that the more established bigger name wrestlers are better protected, but a lot of the small-time wrestlers seem willing to pretty much accept whatever contractual terms are offered to them for a shot at the big time. I don't know off-hand what effect it would have on the Sports Entertainment industry if wrestlers became elligible for the rights available to SAG members, but it would certainly have a massive impact on pro wrestling, particularly in terms of insurance since unlike in regular TV acting, for these guys injuries are a foregone conclusion regardless of the safety measures - unless restrictions were brought in to tone down the level of violence in the matches, and that would pretty much kill the industry! I hope their rights as performers do improve though as I have a lot of respect for what they do to their bodies (and each others) for our entertainment.
Yeah I meant It! by laraz	Dec 29th, 2008 12:25:02 AM
I meant what I said. The WWE is no more important than a porn film. So hell if the WWE gets in to SAG so should PornStars, and lets just throw in everyone on YOUTUBE as well!
Careful, they might all go on strike! by Bobman46	Dec 29th, 2008 12:25:16 AM
Actually, that would really put some actual muscle in SAG's corner! Get them in the ring to negotiate. Maybe more would get done!
laraz by maxwell's hammer	Dec 29th, 2008 12:25:41 AM
Your obnoxious and incoherant ranting has convinced me! Viva la revolucion!!
Viva La Vida? by laraz	Dec 29th, 2008 12:34:30 AM
Viva La Vida was a really bad album, yet I am glad you want to join the revolution!
i only worry about porn-star actresses by noiretblanc	Dec 29th, 2008 12:43:16 AM
they're people too
Couldn't he just make WWE a "Non-union" project? by topaz4206	Dec 29th, 2008 12:58:40 AM
Forcing the newly-SAG wrestlers into unemployment?
Coldplay is Radiohead for old people... by maxwell's hammer	Dec 29th, 2008 01:12:03 AM
...and the only thing revolting around here is YOU! (You see how I did a little play on words there?)
a lot of wrestlers have done movies by the milf lover	Dec 29th, 2008 01:30:55 AM
and tv shows, guys like Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Kevin Nash, John Cena... arent they already in SAG for that? And how would the SAG apply to the wrestlers performing in little companies that dont get on tv? There's a shitload more wrestlers out there than the ones we see on WWE and TNA, that never appear on tv. Would the SAG cover them too? The situation is a lot more complex than Aronofsky seems to think.
There's a loophole they use... by swinky	Dec 29th, 2008 01:49:01 AM
Wrestlers are classified and employed as independent contractors under exclusive contracts. I'm not sure if actors are classified the same way or not. There is a currently lawsuit against the WWE right now by a former wrestler (Scott Levy). The basis of the lawsuit is that the performers are actually WWE employees and not contractors. The outcome of that case will be definitely linked to future unionization. Right now, wrestlers are paid a salary along with a portion of merchandise revenues. BUT, they don't get any royalties for repeats of performances, i.e. "matches". And by all accounts, the writers are just corporate employees and nothing more. What's interesting though is that a few months ago, WWE hired Freddie Prinz Jr. as part of their creative team. I wonder how he gets paid?
Independent Contractors by tk 421	Dec 29th, 2008 02:03:38 AM
Vince is just a carny plain and simple. All this whole "independent contractor" angle Vince has gone with is just another way to milk a few extra bucks off of a bunch of stupid steroid popping crash test dummies. Yeah, Vince and all of his carny promoter buddies share in the blame for the shocking litany of wrestlers for dying before the age 50. Google, "dead wrestlers" its sad how many died so young. But, as much as the promoters are to blame, the wrestlers are as much to blame. There is nothing stopping them from insisting upon a union. These are grown men and no one has the duty to protect their interests except for themselves.
It's theater not a sport. by Power_Girl	Dec 29th, 2008 02:04:36 AM
You wouldn't think it would take a genius to figure that one out but it's wrestling fans were talking about... and most of the wrestlers are bat shit crazy anyway. Let them in SAG or whatever theater actors are in. The WWE and TNA chew up the wrestlers and spit them out.
I had chili for lunch. by Godovhellfire	Dec 29th, 2008 02:06:52 AM

Does Anyone Not See the Problem With This Idea? by Corterville	Dec 29th, 2008 02:34:16 AM
If all wrestlers are allowed into the SAG, and are classified as actors, then the WWE finally has to admit, once and for all, that wrestling is FAKE.
DA-It's brilliant!!! by Mr.LordBronco	Dec 29th, 2008 02:35:34 AM
Wow- I'm both ROMAFL and at the same time floored as that's an idea I would have never thought of!!! On one hand, we have the SAG threatening to go on strike for nuanced residuals, on the other hand we have Chris Benoit perpetrating War Crimes. Granted that's an extreme comparison, but perhaps Alec Baldwin would give some respect to guys who actually physically and mentally damage themselves in pursuit of their art As actually being artists. It opens up a whole can of worms though-what about the imported fight Choreographers who don't have a domestic union representing them as well? To those poo-pooing such an idea and dismissing it as substandard, stock car watching redneck entertainment. Just go tap Jimmy "Superfly" Snooka's shoulder in a bar during his heyday. I'm just saying-maybe ask Hulk Hogan about his muscles on that coach flight international back in his hey day. Ha ha-this is going to be an internet meme-I guarantee ya!
He's right by ugh	Dec 29th, 2008 02:37:43 AM
It won't happen, but he's right.
can you imagine... by HEADGEEK	Dec 29th, 2008 02:42:42 AM
if Wrestlers went on strike - and the scabs that would cross the lines? THAT'S TELEVISION!
no no no by wash	Dec 29th, 2008 02:44:07 AM
They can start their own freaking union. Jeeze. DA is cool but damn this is an idiotic idea.
Even more important than Medical, Wrestlers deserve an off seaso by heavenlykid	Dec 29th, 2008 02:56:27 AM
As of now they don't get one. Just two months a year, paid, would save lives in the long run. That's my thinking at least.
Apparently Season has an N on the end. by heavenlykid	Dec 29th, 2008 02:57:35 AM
Oops.
Consider meme planted! by Mr.LordBronco	Dec 29th, 2008 03:26:56 AM
Yeah-I cllled in as many heavy weights as I can-Ding! Gotta love the myspace!
i agree with Mr. Aronovski and tk 421 by the podosphere	Dec 29th, 2008 03:38:13 AM
Wrestlers are performers who deserve guild protection, and I think tk hit the nail on the head about McMahon. The WGA should look into organizing the writers of their sketches too. Really, the WWE is a trashy soap opera with scantily-clad performers of both genders, a wrestling ring and a live audience.
lostcolonyentertainment by Hilarious Wacky Username	Dec 29th, 2008 04:36:50 AM
Interesting that Harry would run a story fed to him by that douche who gave him the fake Buffy/Angel script story a couple of years back.
Aronosfky by peterwatts	Dec 29th, 2008 04:38:11 AM
Commenting on shit you don't understand to get publicity for you flick is so passe. Lame director famous for a grug movie, perhaps he can campaign for cyborg rights when promotong Robocop. Would love to see this faggot take on Vince and get smashed like every one else, but he will just move on to his next project when it suits him. Bring in the union for one company? No WWE, no business, get a clue retard, if the writers srike Vince will go back to writing it himself as he has done many times before, he will perform it as well well, he will fight his son in law at sold out venues. Perhaps he should get back to re editing The Fountain to flop again.
Extreme like wrestlers actually suffer by Mr.LordBronco	Dec 29th, 2008 05:27:40 AM
Much like stunt/fight choeragraphers, they actually are damaged. However, TV Cartoon writers really should be punished! You know who I'm TalkinBack about: DethkloK Rules!
A few things Wrestlers need. by Die_Hardest	Dec 29th, 2008 05:30:56 AM
1. A Union. 2. An off-season so their bodies can recuperate. 3. Pensions. 4. Insurance benefits forlife. 5. Rigorous tests for performance enhancing drugs with harsh punishments. And remember that wrestling is a mixture of acting and athletics. Wrestling is not a sport, it's entertainment. Wrestlers, however, are athletes.
New Union Boss: KAMALA!!! by Gus Van Rant	Dec 29th, 2008 05:44:49 AM
Seriously, these guys are more like circus animals as opposed to actors.
Aronosfky's got a point by palewook	Dec 29th, 2008 05:44:50 AM
so does Bacci40~
why do only rich people get effective unions? by sakkatta	Dec 29th, 2008 06:51:53 AM
sports, actors, writers etc
Wrestling to this day is still a Carny Act by deadelephant	Dec 29th, 2008 07:00:02 AM
Vince Mcmahon and the WWE tried so hard to make wrestling bigger then it really is. A glorified exploitive Carny act. Vince McMahon would use all his powers to crush any chance of unionizing wrestlers (they done before) Do you think a union for wrestlers would allow what Mick Foley has done to him self over the years. It would be great for all wrestlers but would place so many restrictions on the events that the idea of jumping off the ropes onto a wrestler outside the ring would never happen again.
Major problems... by Literarywanderer	Dec 29th, 2008 07:24:40 AM
Making wrestlers SAG members would pretty much kill the industry. The rosters alone on TNA and WWE make paying them a standard fee insane not to mention the majority of wrestling revenue comes from house shows, not televised events. That is why wrestlers wrestle nearly year round. The cost of production would go through the roof making pro wrestling hard to sustain. Also, with the majority of revenue coming from private shows, not televised events, I'd think wrestlers would fit better under theater rather than in the category of screen actors. Imagine a Tony category for that! The only real group that would benefit from this is SAG because of the increased revenue from members. I'm sorry, but with the steady line of hungry wrestlers out there, you try to unionize and you'll be booted pretty damn fast. As to the number of men who died young, that's true, but that's also because of a heavy amount of drug abuse and worse. But if you ask the average wrestler how they feel about their craft you'll hear that they love it. Why else would they put up with so much? And if Darren thinks putting these men under union contract would improve things, he's an idiot. The level of competition is fierce, one of the reason these guys use so many drugs to keep going. Create a union and you put restrictions on the numbers of events lowering revenue, put restrictions on matches removing the level of excitement, and give more money to drug addicts leading to a quicker demise. Unionization would kill televised wrestling but it would definitely fuel the old territories all over again bringing back house shows big time.
is this realistic? by crazybubba	Dec 29th, 2008 07:26:33 AM
aronofsky's right, but i can't imagine this ever happening. I don't know anything about SAG, but i can just imagine a bunch of Hollywood actors snobbishly turning their noses up at the suggestion of equating professional wrestlers with real acting. Wrestling has a shady history and its sleazy culture is deeply entrenched. I can't imagine guys like McMahon are even his rivals and enemies in the business ever allowing this to happen. strikes however would be great entertainment. Scabs that showed up to work would get bloodied real quick.
Brings Up Other Questions..... by LeftFoot	Dec 29th, 2008 07:30:48 AM
SAG regulates things such as; extras, walk-ons, non-speaking parts, speaking parts, supporting roles, main roles, etc. If wrestling became part of SAG would they have to list the cost of being thrown onto the mat, being thrown onto a table outside the ring, standing on the ring corner post and jumping on opponent, being hit by someone who just jumped off the ring corner post, etc.? This conjures up at lot of interesting and very silly questions. Vince McMahon could play a bad guy without acting - the "Anti Actor Rights Villian"; he'll fire anyone on the planet that gets in his way!!!
They don't Care About Wrestlers, It's All About Money!!! by Media Messiah	Dec 29th, 2008 07:40:15 AM
It's all about making money from Union dues, etc., but forget about that...why hasn't SAG stood-up against the Academy Awards and insisted that the Oscar Award categories be made for Stunt Men and Stunt Women...and while they are at it, where is the Screen Actor's Guild Award for Stunt Men, Stunt Women and Stunt Teams??? You can't claim that you are attempting to stand-up for the rights of Wrestlers...but conveniently forget to put your money and actions where your mouth is to finally acknowledge the efforts of Stunt People who regularly risk their lives and injury for Hollywood, to make actors and actresses, directors, producers and their films, look good.
What About Stunt Men And Stunt Women??? by Media Messiah	Dec 29th, 2008 07:44:47 AM
Why has Hollywood forgotten to acknowledge them??? How about asking that question??? No Stunt Award for Stunt People from The Emmy's, The Golden Globes, The Oscars, The Tonys, or The Screen Actor's Guild Awards???!!! You Selfish Hypocrites!!!
SAGs Attempt Top Get A Piece Of Reality TV by Media Messiah	Dec 29th, 2008 07:49:55 AM
Yep, first the Wrestlers...and then Reality TV Stars will be brought into SAG, if they are not already being repped by the Union??? It's all about the money, period!!!
It won't fly, not just because of Vince's bribes... by JackPumpkinhead	Dec 29th, 2008 08:30:37 AM
...but also because if it did work, stuntmen would rightfully demand their turn, too, and the Film Actors Guild (arf!) knows it.
Kamala is good choice for Union Boss by classyfredblassy	Dec 29th, 2008 08:38:20 AM
I managed that freak for a number of years. But I would like to the Honky Tonk Man get the gig. "My momma called me the Honky Tonk Man when I was born on a pool table in Joe's bar and grill in Memphis"
SAG is not the only union option and yes there are many things t by bishopfan85	Dec 29th, 2008 09:15:41 AM
I'm a former pro-wrestler now actor who's been working on this for some time now. I've actually been looking at other actors union organizations that make a better fit towards an industry that mainly deals with television and live events. The live events can actually be covered by theatre unions such as Actors Equity while all wrestlers have the option of joining AFTRA on their own and pushing to drive the television industry to develop more programs fitting of their skills and running them as union projects. Only after enough Pro Wrestlers take the necessary steps to change the industry will it change and the best incentive to make that a reality is for there to be a lucrative reasoning that shows everyone why it would benefit them (clearly the obvious reasons don't do it alone). I've spoken with dozens of wrestlers who have all indicated that the monopolization of the industry is the biggest drawback to anyone speaking out about a union. Even old-timers would not want to speak out just in case Vince McMahon may one day decide to call them up for some type of short lived legends role. I credit Pro Wrestlers for their passions but can't stand seeing them respond in a way reminiscent of a battered housewife when it comes to being told that there is a way out of the hell they endure. When "The Wrestler" first began to receive such acclaim and I learned about what the content of the film covered I knew it had the potential to pick up where the 1999 documentary "Beyond the Mat" left off in opening the mainstream audiences eyes to the tragic background of a great industry. Hopefully the attention spans of the people will last long enough this time for change to actually occur before we yet again fall right back into the same horrific cycle of abuse and death.
Wrestling is science fiction, after all by BrandLoyalist	Dec 29th, 2008 09:21:46 AM
Just ask the Sci-Fi channel. Still not so sure about that point, actually, but Aronofsky is clearly right: scripted, on screen... it's screen acting.
CGI Actors should get SAG protection by JustyHakubi	Dec 29th, 2008 09:27:44 AM
Does SAG give a damn about Little Nemo, Buzz Lightyear, Chip Hazard... hell no they don't. If wrestlers were brought into the Union then you can kiss wrestling goodbye. All you are going to get is a bunch fat, lazy old men who will refuse to stay in game shape and who will refuse to leave when the character is written off. Wrestling is what it is today because Vince and the other promoters made it that way. You can hate Vince all you want buy without him wrestling would be stuck in the rut it was in back in 70's. The last thing you need in SAG dicking around in what is a winning formula. The wrestlers have contracts. They know what they are getting into when they sign. This idea is asinine.
THEY ALREADY HAD A UNION AND IT FAILED... by Err	Dec 29th, 2008 10:11:49 AM
It was composed of Ken Shamrock, Test, Mankind, and Big Show. It failed to stop the Corporation and eventually disbanded when the Corporation and the Undertaker's Ministry merged into the Corporate Ministry. The Union's main backer was Vince McMahon. Yet, when Vince was revealed to be the "Higher Power" that Undertaker took his orders from, the Union had no backer so it was disbanded. I can't believe no one remembers this.
JustyHakubi by bishopfan85	Dec 29th, 2008 10:13:44 AM
You have no idea how often I hear that "the wrestlers know what they are getting into when they sign" argument. Keep in mind that they sign because they have NO OTHER OPTIONS. I signed a contract with a group that literally stripped me of any and all chances to make anymore off of my work than what they were willing to pay me which wasn't much. You do have a choice, either to not perform while the industry you love is still in the stone ages or deal with it and work to make it better. Before the Screen Actors Guild and other actors unions were formed actors were in a very similar boat and in some cases even worse because they were forced to film in 24 hour shifts without breaks, low wages and one sided contracts while enduring harassment and ungodly living conditions. They could have walked too, but knew at the time it was this or nothing. It's 2008 and pro wrestling is in a state that hasn't been seen by other forms of entertainment since the 1930's!
Mankind as SAG President by mrfan	Dec 29th, 2008 10:23:40 AM
Just wait. It will happen.
Technically, they are independent contractors. by Royston Lodge	Dec 29th, 2008 10:27:23 AM
Wouldn't unionization turn them into employees? Is that was wresters want? It's not all roses and sunshine when you go from being an independent contractor to being an employee.
And before anyone points it out... by Royston Lodge	Dec 29th, 2008 10:30:25 AM
I fully admit I don't know what I'm talking about.
Jesse Ventura by The Game Master	Dec 29th, 2008 10:38:03 AM
Former pro-wrestler and MN governor tried for years to get a union started when he was with WWF in the '80s. Hogan stooged this out to Vince which is where the massive friction between Ventura and MacMahon began. If someone is serious about getting wrestlers into SAG or any other union, they should talk with Jesse Ventura, who has already done years of legwork and research into this. Plus, having a former governor and close friend of CA gov Arnold (they ARE good friends) can give a lot of power to the argument.
Sounds good to me by Dr. Chim Richalds	Dec 29th, 2008 11:08:21 AM
Vince McMahon is little better than a carnival barker taking tickets at a piss-poor freak show. I liked wrestling when I was a kid, but I couldn't subsidize that industry after I learned of its seamier side. Wrestlers need a union and there is far too much institutional and individual pressure to permit its formation, absent some outside-of-the-box thinking. I'd love to see it just to watch McMahon piss his pants. Oh, and I'm sure wrestling would survive - maybe in a form in which the talent didn't die from mysterious causes before age 50, but it would survive nonetheless.
Makes Sense... by NeoAngelus	Dec 29th, 2008 11:53:43 AM
And in an organization like WWE, if they wanted to join, there's nothing he can do ever since he opted to change from World Wrestling Federation to World Wrestling Entertainment. Wrestlers are acknowledged entertainers, no one believes that the wrestling world is real anymore (the moves all hurt, but not as much as the wrestlers sell it, which further validates that they are actors).
Roddy Piper tried to start a union in the 80s by DougMcKenzie	Dec 29th, 2008 12:58:51 PM
He got railroaded for doing it too. I think these guys would be more inclined to join AFTRA then SAG. Having a union medical plan would probably be a real benefit for these guys as well. Does WWE even have an employees plan?
wrestling is NOT an athletic event? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Dec 29th, 2008 01:13:15 PM
What an asinine fucking comment. Just because its predetermined does not mean it doesn't take incredible athleticism to pull it off.
Something has to be done by Double M	Dec 29th, 2008 02:11:13 PM
I agree with many of the statements above listing all of the reasons that this can't/won't happen, but it seems that there are enough big name players that could get together and force this issue. I just want to know who would enforce any of this if a union were to be formed. I can see Vince sit back and say "Hey, you want to join this BS union?. OK, FIRED!" A common saying in the business is that Vince can turn chicken shit into chicken salad, what is to stop him from getting rid of everyone who signs up and starting fresh. Hell, he might enjoy the challenge. Maybe even have some new catchy slogan to advertise the "New generation" of the WWE or some bullshit like what happened in the mid 90s when all of his big name stars retired or went to WCW.
Unions are bad, m-kay? by The Eskimo	Dec 29th, 2008 02:13:38 PM
And is one big reason the Big 3 can't turn a profit and needs us to bail them out because they have to pay $60/hr to an employee who screws in bolts on the assembly line.
What's that smell??? by Alkeoholic77	Dec 29th, 2008 04:16:33 PM
It's Vince McMahon shitting his pants. I agree that if they are considered entertainers then they should be in the SAG and get some sort of pension and benefits. Screw this whole "independant contractor" status that they get.
Porn actors and sag... by Alkeoholic77	Dec 29th, 2008 04:22:44 PM
I thought they already went hand in hand? I mean give them a couple of years and check out those beef curtains.
Vince McMahon=L.Ron Hubbard=Tom Cruise=Gay Porn=Bullshit by Mr.LordBronco	Dec 29th, 2008 06:14:09 PM
Ding!
Gus Van Rant by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Dec 29th, 2008 06:21:50 PM
Holy crap I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything. It would have sprayed through my nose. That was just too damn funny.
Misleading headline! by Logan_1973	Dec 29th, 2008 07:00:43 PM
That headline makes it sound like Darren is mailing petitions to SAG. Not so. Let's not put up misleading headlines just to generate traffic, eh?
Alkeoholic77 Is Right. Why Isn't SAG Repping Porn Actors? by Media Messiah	Dec 29th, 2008 07:06:44 PM
SAG claims that Wrestlers need protection, well, what about porn actors? SAG just opened up one big fat can of worms with this issue!!!
SAG? Who's Protecting Dancers??? by Media Messiah	Dec 29th, 2008 07:09:07 PM
Are you standing-up for dancers and choreographers now, too???
Vince McMahon will destroy anyone who joins a union! by Leafar the Lost	Dec 29th, 2008 09:31:55 PM
I agree, SAG should be representing professional wrestlers. However, Vince McMahon will fire any wrestler who joins a union, or even talks about wanting to join a union. The federal government would have to step in to protect the wrestlers, because Vince McMahon doesn't give a fuck. Also, porn actors and actresses should be allowed to join SAG too. They have lines and perform in front of cameras. It doesn't matter that they are having actual sex on camera, because we all know that some mainstream actors/actresses have had real sex during their sex scenes.
If someone was smart . . . by The Game Master	Dec 29th, 2008 10:35:43 PM
This would be the perfect chance for a new wrestling promotion to really taker over. A promotion that STARTS with a union would be VERY attractive to wrestlers across the board, and much of Vince's talent would gladly jump ship to join. Not TNA though. They need a new name. But a third promotion could step in with this caveat and grab the industry by the balls!
Re: Game Master by Losteroo	Dec 30th, 2008 10:47:46 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing! This really could be a great opportunity.
Vince would destroy that new wrestling promotion too. by Leafar the Lost	Dec 30th, 2008 07:31:30 PM
Vince would make his talent sign contracts that they couldn't wrestle with this new promotion, or they would have to pay back his money. Or, something to the effect that they couldn't wrestle for them for 5 years or something. TNA and WWE would unite to destroy the NWP (New Wrestling Promotion that starts with a union)!
Well, wrestlers make enough to pay the exorbitant initiation fee by DallasGoodbar	Dec 30th, 2008 08:31:31 PM
SAG voted not too long ago to jack the fee up to $2300 to join. JUST TO JOIN! The guild doesn't care about the fact that the majority of actors are starving artists just like painters and dancers. They vote to keep people out qualified people with discernable talent who just happen to be in a lower economic catagory! Recently, they just voted to prevent from striking. If they want to include wrestlers that's perfectly fine for me. They're just as fake as the industry itself. For a labor union SAG is a joke!
I agree by Weapon M	Dec 31st, 2008 08:12:15 AM
I mean I totally agree. I know there are going to be interesting things going on in terms of the insurance aspect of it.. But I think Wrestlers should be covered. I dont watch that much Wrestling myself, but that shouldn't be taken into account. The fact that it is ACTED, and they are PERFORMING, and they are doing their own stunts. They have scripts, they have writers who some WORK in the movie or television industry. I mean. WTF?! They have tv series with running themes and stories the whole shabang!!! I totally agree. I hope there is a move to put them into the SAG. Hopefully the politics don't keep these guys/gals out.

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