Its like Varsity Blues set in space.

Then again, I was never a big fan of Star Trek...

It's not quite cum in my pants material now is it?

Or he makes them have a big orgy.

Or both. Let's go with both.

Oh Data, will you ever learn what it REALLY means to be human?

Seriously, AICN. Paramount gives you an "exclusive" which consists of EXACTLY the same trailer as the previous one, bar a few minor alterations and you're ready to gobble cock quicker than JJ can fuck up franchises.

(THANK ALL OF YOU...very much...for making this possible)

You sound like Halle fucking Berry!

And YackBacker, your Spies Like Us observation was right on the money. Kudos, sir.

But would you really want Shatner in this? Really? Isn't he sort of a joke now? He is like a parody of himself almost. How can you take him seriously trying to look all bad ass again? I don't know anyone could take him seriously ever, to be honest. He is sort of the weak link in this franchise. I say stay the fuck away....

And I'm kidding. Of course I don't think Cameron is against the ropes. He has far too many fans on his site begging for a taste of his sphincter sweat.

Nope. Sorry. I won't see it. I'm not interested at all.

Sphincter sweat or not, I'd take Camerons Avatar over any of the shitburgers JJ and his minions serve up any day of the week.

;^)

Of course, I am older, so I guess I am more resilient to hype. Never saw attack of the Clones, only saw Revenge of the Sith because it was a free screening and I promised a friend I would go with her, and never did get around to seeing X2 or Spider-Man 3.

On the negative side I have seen Twilight twice now.

If that's in the movie, then epic win.

Or does Nimoy cameo as Surok?

And the cliff thing.....what if the kid just has balls of steel and he flies his car toward the cliff and jerks the brake to see just how close he can get it to the edge without falling over. This time he fucked up and took it too fast.

On May 6th, 2008, Guttenberg was a guest on the Howard Stern Show. On the program, he claimed to have a 10 inch (25.4 cm) penis, and professed that it is the source of "a lot of confidence."

I know Fincher is using them for some stuff in Benjamin Button.

So, I sure would like to know what people have seen that's got them so unimpressed.

I think you and I are in agreement as far as the skepticism goes. I found the trailer to be altogether pedestrian and not very exciting. The bit with the car going over the cliff was horrendous...

But I was never a big STAR TREK fan to begin with (I dug TNG back in the day and I only cared for the original cast's films). That being said, I do remain hopeful. Because when TREK works well, it's usually pretty cool stuff.

Look, I'm a longtime Trek fan; I'm 33 and I have fond memories of the original TOS and I remember - laughingly, now - my own skepticism about The Next Generation when I first saw that shit preview for it on the VHS tape of Star Trek IV. Later on, I grew to love Next Gen, when it actually came out. I even enjoyed those first couple of so-so seasons. Even later I got into DS9 and I was hooked like my grandma was on her "stories" every day. (You can puke now.) Further on, Voyager came out, and ...

I hated it. It was utter crap. I may get filleted for saying it, but Enterprise was a better show by far: Better characters, a cooler captain, a niftier ship, fun stories. Perhaps that more than anything - yes it rewrote canon like crazy, but it brought the FUN, an ingredient that Voyager had lacked entirely. I own all four seasons of Enterprise, and to be fair, it's no Next Gen, and it's no TOS. But it was cool and fun, and that's why I eventually paid good money to own what many others consider a "shit" series.

Coming back to this movie, I had only a week ago seen merely the original trailer with the guys building the Enterprise. I'd of course read all the buzz and was HIGHLY skeptical, and just didn't know if Orci and Kurtzman had it in them to write a decent movie. I thought the characters and dialogue of Transformers blew, and I thought that they manhandled their own ideas in The Island, a flick best defined by the word "salvagable" but not much else. Also a week or so ago, I had little faith in J.J. Abrams and even less in Orci and Kurtzman.

Then came the new trailer, the original version of which we just saw a couple of days ago, and now we have this version.

And while my Nerd radar is still blaring out "Alarm, alarm, nonfan a director! Alert, alert, major canon revisions - again!", I can't help but have a little optimism. The visuals look tight; so does the action, and so do the characters. Young Spock and Kirk look "right," and Simon Pegg's Scotty feels right, too, not to mention Karl Uban's McCoy. Yes the dialogue - especially that stupid "Buckle Up!" line - is a little off-feeling.

But you know what? So was the dialogue in TOS a lot of times. And the dialogue in ST V. And the dialogue on the first couple seasons of TNG and ENT. So, a few things not withstanding, I'm ready to give it a chance, at least the same chance I gave everything else listed above.

One last thing that gives me hope: Orci is a self-professed "Trekker," and he's also a self-described "canonist." If he can deliver on the mere implications of those things, I'll be there Summer 09.

You mean that old picture that Cameron discredited? Or, are you talking about the more recent stuff that surfaced that no one seems to be able to confirm?

And if the alleged concept art is not to your liking then so be it. I just think it makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE to wait for something a bit more substantial.

I just saw Leonard Nimoy playing Spock again, I can die happy.

I wanted to feel the love too, I loved Transformers, maybe I should have opened with that?

Spock: "It is ... Pon Farr."

Kirk: "What's that?"

Spock: "Shut up and enjoy it."

Kirk: "Oh ... oh ... oh yeah ..."

Made even more perverse by the coolest sets and production design ever on a Trek, season 4 was great but I still remember during season 2, the episode where Archer lost his phone on a planet and they all worried over it, I tuned out after that for a while.

Voyager kept me entertained right up until the end though, yes it went mental around season 6 but it was always funny, and I even liked all the Borg stories, I felt they expanded on the Borg like TNG did with the Klingon's, yeah the Borg kids sometimes sucked but even they got some cool moments.

Unfortunately for viewers, making ads is the only thing he can do.

But why stop there? Lets throw in a dash of exceedingly unoriginal "prequel-i-tus," scripts and dialogue that were usually more cringe-worthy then memorable, and the fact that any one of the cast members of TNG, even Will Freaking Wheaton, was more charismatic and superior in acting than anyone in Enterprise. Shall I continue?

That was one sexy Vulcan bitch.

Jeri Ryan, I hate to say, hit the wall pretty hard. But she filled out a Federation body-suit with the best of them.

MAGNIFICENT FAIL

Grow up you talentless cunts!!

Avatar is shaping up to have what I call "Waterworld Syndrome". When a movie gets so much hype that it becomes impossible for it to live up to it.

Just like there were people begging for Waterworld to sink (no pun intended) just to relish in the fact that a very expensive movie failed.

Now we will have a whole new generation of people just foaming at the mouth for this thing to fail.

I'm talking about nit-picking the ever-fucking shit out of it and having an entire internet to point out it's flaws 24 hours a day.

Let me put it this way: If this movie is average then it will fail. If it is good then it will fail. It HAS to be the best ever just to be considered good, due to both the negative cunts rags out there and the people that have hyped the fucking cum out of it.

I also have had the pleasure of sliding my cock in and out of a nice, tight, wet vagina and it felt good as well.

Of course hyping the cum out of something could also mean looking down at your dick and yelling "You are the biggest dick ever! You will vomit out a quart of jizz! Your viens are arranged like the Flames on Optimus! You will stab that cunt into submissive servitude!"

And then the girl laughs the first time she sees it and it goes limp.

As for those nay-saying Orci & Kurtzman - as a collector & fan of TFs since 1984 in multiple formats - it wasn't perfect. But other than the Bee peeing & Prime's "my bad" (which was funny if only cuz that is NOT the kind of line you'd expect Peter Cullen or Prime to say) - it could've been a LOT worse. Nice nods to fanboys (&girls), but general enough to snag Joe Public's interest to warrant a sequel, which can get more into using the various types of Transformers. It got my parents to be fans - and they've only had to put up w/ me raving for 25 yrs. I'll give ST:the reboot the benefit of the doubt. It reinvents, yes; but looks like there's enough of the *spirit* of the source material to be enjoyable for current fans (a la Xmen 1&2 - don't start me about the $hit that was X3).

ALL HAIL LORD MITT IN 2012!!

Well, he must have missed me by a mile because I sure as hell don't sing his praises.

Oh fuck off with that bullshit man.

Bend over for Mitt and prepare for a rectal punch bitch.

http://tinyurl.com/259xjm

Fuck off.

Computer effects....oooooooooohhh...aaa aaawwwwwwwwwwwwww....

Either way, we're gonna have some fun.

Featuring Sulu as captain of his own starship many lightyears away because Shatner does not want him on the set.

"No, I mean these swords."

*Unzips pants*

LONG LIVE LATTER DAY SAINTS!!

Secondly, I am looking forward to Avatar like no other film. I think it will be great, and I base this purely on my faith in Cameron as a filmmaker. I've not read the treatment, I've not seen the concept art that wasn't real anyway. I want this flick as fresh as possible.

Thirdly, I have never voluntarily watched Star Trek in my life. I've seen one of them in a movie marathon over a decade ago. I barely remember it, but it's the one where they brought back the shat. Anyhoo, I do remember that I hated it, that it sucked ass and that it was fucking terrible.

Lastly, although I hate it, I will end up seeing the new one. Everyone on this TB will. I fucking guarantee it. Maybe because they are a fan of the show, a fan of JJ (are those people out there?), or like me, really hope its as shit as it looks so you can tell people "Yes, I've seen it, and its fucking terrible." If, by some miracle, its good. I will eat my words and readily admit it. But, for fucks sake people? Lost, Fringe, MI3, Cloverfield? They are all fucking rubbish! Surely the best you could hope for is for it not to be awful.

The one last thing I wish to say is, although I hate star trek, it did inspire a great comedy from a few years back that they sorely need to do a sequel to. A little ditty called Galaxy Quest.

"By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged."

And that's all I got.

Discuss.

"When?"

"I'm back."

"Huh, you didn't go anywhere."

"Yes I did. Space-time continuum. Long story."

Avatar might have a trailer in early December.

An the first 3D trailer will probably show up when we get our next PG-13 or R rated 3D film. Which then Avatar will be having foreplay with our eyeballs.

Young, crappy director? CHECK.

New design to costumes and construction? CHECK.

Bunch of too-young actors, one in particular a dead-ringer for the original? (Sylar=Routh) CHECK.

Added to that now is: Bring back old actor from originals for 2 min. screen time to "link" the films? (Nimoy=Brando) CHECK.

Remember, BLEST coined it first: Star Trek Returns.

Copy and paste my post where I called Abyss shit. I feel it is Cameron's strongest film by far. I think it is a bit slow...but I still enjoy it.

SO FUCK OFF AND SHOVE A SCREWDRIVER THROUGH YOUR CHEEK YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

Please stop gargling Cameron's semen and come back when you're ready to talk real films.

Ok. I can't amuse you, really? You're obviously easily amused if brain dead shit like T2 can keep your attention.

As for Avatar, I'll reserve judgement until a trailer. Cameron has had a spotty career, progressively getting worse - Aliens, The Abyss, Terminator 1 & 2 all good, then came True Lies (funny but imperfect), Titanic (dreadful) and those stupid doco's of his. I hope Titanic's (totally undeserved) success didn't go to his head and cause him to rest on his laurels. Going back to sci-fi is a good move, but leave the self-indulgence at the door please mate.

You can only do so much with the ingredients so to speak. What more can we get from a cinema experience that we have now? Can the bar really be raised that much higher?

We are in the age that many moviegoers fifty years ago would stand in awe of what we see on the screen, but if Avatar is going to raise the bar even higher, then let me see it for myself. I just think many are setting themselves up for a letdown.

Yes, I hope it *ahem* fucks my eyeballs, but I want to see a trailer first.

That said, it has many eerily similarities to Brian Singer's not-so-successful "reimagining" of the Superman universe where things were shiny looking and people were younger.

Now Superman Returns is an oddity: at best, an interesting side film that will have no sequel; at worst, a bastardized film that nobody considers cannon.

Here's hoping that Star Trek Returns doesn't end up in that same place, along with the Bond film Never Say Never.

And I did pay the money...

You know, I'll see this the same as most summer movies to get out of the house for a bit, but that opening better have a good explanation for why Kirk is suck a fucking moron and horrible driver even as a teen. Future starship Captain my ass! That's not the REAL Jim Kirk! Young Shatner Kirk would have lost the cop AND jumped the car over the canyon!

remember about the spaces...

*Unzips pants*

I can concede that perhaps Star Trek will be analogous to what the Ultimates did to the Avengers -- although can film do what comic books can? The characters aren't nearly as fluid in film. Drawing styles and artist interpretation are excusable or even encouraged with comic books but with film faces and voices have been assigned to the names. Shatner is Kirk, Kelly is Bones. It would be like going to thanksgiving dinner and seeing your Aunt and Uncle replaced with a unconvincing stand-in. The novelty of new would make it interesting, but watching them over-exaggerate the idiosyncrasies of people your familiar with would ring false. Who the fuck are you people? I still speculate that this will look very much like Superman Returns in the end. The fact that JJ went out of his way to place this into common Trek continuity (yeah, I know continuity has been compromised before) makes this thing sour. Ok fine, something went wrong with the time line. Then its sloppy writing, a Abrams hallmark. At least Nolan had good sense to make his Batman a fresh start. But JJ doesn't care. He's simply banking on the old Berman axiom: if it says TREK they will come. But I can lay the knife down and be reasonable for a second - I could be dead wrong and Star Trek might work. JJ just has a heavy head-wind against him. Either way, Paramount will get its money and be encouraged to continue right or wrong - usually wrong.

Star Trek? yuck. No thanks.

The trailer has worked as well as any trailer can at attracting the target audience. Also yes, there are many,many people, especially outside the Us where Trek movies make hardly any money (U.K & Germany excepted) who haven't got a clue about the old school Enterprise. they "MAY" be able to guess what it is based on similarty to next gen enterprises, but TOS is a show of the 60s repeated in the 70s with movies (mostly) in the 80s. You could very happily be born in 1990 nd never have seen the old 1701 or 1701a on tv or movie screens. As sid above the purpose of starting the trailer (and the movie) with things that look like they could be from today is to ground it and THEN to go to the sci-fi / Star Trek stuff. It works, it's a fact that can be verified all over the net. It's also a reason I suscpect the Spock clip isn't on the "real" trailer, it ends the trailer with an old guy, more so anyone that has just been convinced that maybe Star Trek is not just for geeks, has themselves reminded of a classic "geek" thing. That's not to say I have problem with it, merely seeing t from the point of view of having to attracty a new fanbase for Trek to survive.

http://tinyurl.com/64sa65

I always remember this one guy who was in a state because TIm Russ, played Tuvok in Voyger, but he was a speaking extra in Generation. the poor guy was trying to get someone to tell him why this had happened, and sounded like he was gonna die when he was just told, TIM RUSS IS AN ACTOR who had different parts. Ah good times, good times.

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also, was the CLOVERFIELD MONSTER in the previous version of the trailer? Didn't notice it before...

Nimoy won't live it down.