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Spileberg & Smith's OLDBOY Project Isn't The OLDBOY You're Thinking Of, Even Though It Is!!

Lame by Crow3711	Nov 21st, 2008 09:14:26 AM

It'll still suck by filmcoyote	Nov 21st, 2008 09:17:10 AM
Spielberg is incapable of good movies anymore, he's an egomaniac. The thought of him teaming with Smith raised the same anticipation factor as him teaming with Cruise - i'd rather suffocate in a vat if rancid faeces.
Sniff...sniff... by Brendon	Nov 21st, 2008 09:17:44 AM
The concept "copping out" smells unsurprisingly of Bullshit. Sad to smell it on Will Smith's breath, but no surprise considering where Spielberg's asking him to put his tongue.
WHO. FUCKING. CARES. by TheJake	Nov 21st, 2008 09:21:32 AM
Just watch the original movie or read the comics and pretend that this doesn't exist.
"Incapable?" by Movietool	Nov 21st, 2008 09:22:54 AM
I highly doubt that, although I would love to see him make a movie on a limited budget again - say $20 million. I think limiting your resources is the best way to test your genius.
huh? by bee152	Nov 21st, 2008 09:24:06 AM
The movie is like the graphic novel so how does this change anything?
Hasn't made a great film since Schindler by filmcoyote	Nov 21st, 2008 09:28:48 AM
Put him out to pasture. He messed up Jurassic Park, he messed up AI, he messed up War Of The Worlds. Ryan was a great opening and an okay ending wrapped around a weak film, Minority Report telegraphed its ending in the first 10 minutes. The man is also a tool. He pretends to be all cool and of the people but behind the scenes he's an asshole.
So implying what? That the other movie is no good? by JediRob	Nov 21st, 2008 09:29:01 AM
Sounds like bullshit to me. Like they'd really be making this version of some little known comic, if there wasn't this pre-existing movie with a huge cult fan base? Blech. So who has read the books? Are there any glaring differences? Octopus? Incest? Walkie talkies?
"We won't fuck it up... The original writers did!" by V'Shael	Nov 21st, 2008 09:29:17 AM
Talk about a lame attempt at passing the buck.
Who is "Spileberg"? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 21st, 2008 09:33:27 AM
"..."
After what Will Smith did to by comedian_x	Nov 21st, 2008 09:34:22 AM
I Am Legend, he cannot be trusted with remaking or re-adapting any source material with fidelity.
This makes a difference? by j_difool	Nov 21st, 2008 09:57:03 AM
What does it matter if they are working from the original source material or not? Does the 2003 film not already exist in everyone's minds? That's like Soderbergh's pussy-fied explanation that he was just adapting Lem's SOlaris novel. That's fine for the numbnutses' who liked that movie, but to me, that's still a remake, and Soderbergh is no Tarkovsky.
Sissified is probably what it needs. by riskebiz	Nov 21st, 2008 09:59:52 AM
The original OLDBOY is way overrated. It's a nihilistic piece of garbage that doesn't deserve it's reputation one iota. If Steven Spielberg and Will Smith want to sissify it by toning down or eliminating the more sickening aspects of the film ... then by all means do so. Perhaps it'll be more watchable than that piece of crap that AICN reviewers seem to love to the point of fetishism.
Hacks! by kungfugazi	Nov 21st, 2008 10:05:36 AM
Speilberg and Smith are two of the biggest Hacks in Hollywood. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better the world will be. The source material is still too much for these pussies.
FUCK OFF JUST FUCKING by medicinaluser	Nov 21st, 2008 10:12:47 AM
FUCK RIGHT OFF YOU SCIENTOLOGY HACK AND TAKE THE BEARDED MIDGET CUNT ALONG WITH YOU. FUCKING BASTARD COCKSUCKER (this part is actually true)WANKSTAIN HALFWIT. I feel strongly this moive is a bad idea.
And there's the excuse to get round everything by Lost Jarv	Nov 21st, 2008 10:13:40 AM
difficult in Oldboy. FAIL.
Hey, hacks, come up with a new idea. by kabong	Nov 21st, 2008 10:14:21 AM
There are scripts floating around Hollywood.
Lame excuse by D.Vader	Nov 21st, 2008 10:30:52 AM
Not having read the original comic, and not knowing if it takes the twists and turns the movie did, I see this being a dumb excuse to not include the incest and torture and tongue-cutting, and basically all the great Greek/Shakespearean tragedy elements that made the movie so great.
Smith and Spielberg out geek the geeks! by Boba Fat	Nov 21st, 2008 10:32:40 AM
Oh, you thought we were talking about the film? No there's a manga strip that was printed on steam and hidden in a unicorn's horn many years ago. Not very many people have seen it but that's our inspiration. We didn't even know there was a film!
Old Boy Manga by ScottGreen	Nov 21st, 2008 10:49:59 AM
In terms of how it treats the story, it's substantially different from the movie. http://tinyurl.com/5nfpad I'd call it an inverted noir. It's more genre based, and hard boiled. Rather than investigating an external history, the protagonist is beating down doors trying to discover the truth behind his own past. If you're interested almost check out Astral Project by the same author under his "marginal" pen name http://tinyurl.com/6qpeh3
SPIELBERG....YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD TO ME. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Nov 21st, 2008 10:54:29 AM
How can you have such a lack of respect for other works? Indy IV.....uhhhhh yeah. Just die. You have done quite enough.
Even if it isn't a remake by IAmLegolas	Nov 21st, 2008 10:56:38 AM
who's looking for a Speilberg/Will Smith collaboration anyway?
Spielberg/Smith collaboration covers asses by kabong	Nov 21st, 2008 11:03:06 AM
If the movie flops in any way, the executive idiots can claim that it's not their fault, they went with top "talent."
SPIELBERG I LOVE YOU, BUT PLEASE by T 1000 xp professional	Nov 21st, 2008 11:04:32 AM
just make Interstellar or Lincoln already!! Pleaase Sir, you're my hero and I do not want you to tread in waters that others have already sailed. My money always gets in your hands, so i'm just asking not to make me spend on something I've already seen in it's most effective form. Blow us away again in whichever way you seem fit, I just doubt it'll be an " adaptation of the original OLDBOY manga".
J difool by T 1000 xp professional	Nov 21st, 2008 11:08:47 AM
I enjoyed both of the Solaris' and i went into the remake as a skeptic. So w/e it's possible to like them both
Sad that most of the AICN staffers will praise this piece of shi by Sick Fixx	Nov 21st, 2008 11:19:38 AM
Will Smith playing Oh Dae Su? Only he won't be called Oh Dae Su I guess. This fucking sucks. Worst idea ever. Oldboy wasn'y nihilistic. It was melancholy. It was a beautiful movie full of ennui, existentialism and quiet regret. Greatest movie I've ever seen. Floored me harder than even The Matrix.
Will Smith is out to remake everything into shit... by irrelevntelefant	Nov 21st, 2008 11:31:21 AM

I called this in the last talkback about this. by #1 Zero	Nov 21st, 2008 11:31:53 AM
I definitely called that they would use the comic, where Oh Dae Su looks like Superman and there's no sexual history or incestual overtones, or that they would just use the jumping off point of the guy trying to find out why he was in jail for 15 years. Manga and Movie are way different, like Scott Green said.
Can you still get the 3 Disc by Series7	Nov 21st, 2008 11:33:29 AM
DVD with Harrys commentary and the maga comic?
But most people aren't even aware of the manga... by Kid Z	Nov 21st, 2008 11:45:42 AM
... So what sense does this approach even make? Is it just so you can say, when the inevitable outrage ensues, you can go, "Aww hell nawww... we were'nt even TRYING to do a version of the film... we were doing the manga version." You an idiot, Smith... you too "Hasbeenberg"!
Haters by yomomma	Nov 21st, 2008 12:39:49 PM
I've enjoyed plenty of both Spielberg and Smith's movies. This could be a good film. Espescially if this is taken as an opportunity to stretch themselves as artists...
I fucked who? by Alonzo Mosely	Nov 21st, 2008 12:46:33 PM
Ahhh Hell Nawh...
Amazon dot what? by loafroaster	Nov 21st, 2008 01:07:22 PM
Thankfully you guys gave us that helpful link to "Amazon", I would NEVER have thought of looking there!
Well depending on how they do this... by Johnno	Nov 21st, 2008 01:12:21 PM
And whether the original manga is quite different in many aspects than the film, then maybe we get something worthwhile that's different? Guess we'll see...
I hear this Spileberg guy is good. by RockMSockM	Nov 21st, 2008 01:23:41 PM
Isn't he a former SNL cast member?
To the folks saying Spielberg is no good anymore... by Archive	Nov 21st, 2008 01:26:28 PM
...have you seen Munich? Personally, I feel it's his best film. Schindler's List hits resonant chords in the popular consciousness, but Munich is a masterwork of craft and performance. In my opinion, his second best film is Close Encounters of the Third Kind, then Empire of the Sun, followed by Jaws and Raiders. In Shindler's List, Spielberg revelled in the obvious notes a story like that has to offer. Was it great? Absolutely? Did it break ground? No. It was more like a compilation and recap of what was already understood and felt about the Holocaust. In that respect, it's importance outweighs it's craft.
What I meant to say... by Archive	Nov 21st, 2008 01:29:09 PM
...was ABSOLUTELY! Shindler's List is a great film. Not as good as Munich, though. Nor as creative.
They always say this!!! by Spandau Belly	Nov 21st, 2008 01:35:12 PM
Whenever they're remaking something they always claim they're "re-adapting the source material" when we really know the reason they're interested in making a movie that's already been made is because of the already existing film's success. The press release about "re-adapting the source material" is usually followed by another press release saying they intend to model it after Batman Begins.
And why did Spielberg break up with Richard Dreyfus? by Spandau Belly	Nov 21st, 2008 01:37:25 PM
They were such a good couple, his second marriage to Tom Hanks wasn't as good, but still okay, and his third marriage to Tom Cruise was pretty lousy. I think he and Richard should try to sort things out.
And anyone who calls Will Smith "one note"... by Archive	Nov 21st, 2008 01:39:20 PM
...needs to revisit his filmography. Six Degrees of Separation. Ali. The Pursuit of Happyness. Even his characters in Hitch, Bad Boys II, and Men in Black, and Hancock are distinctly different performances. If anything, the problem with Will Smith is that his image is so strong that directors and producers keep insisting he tapdance through performances. Look at his work. The guy is constantly working to break the mold that was shaped with the Fresh Prince. Give him Othello with any halfway decent director, and I bet he'd take it in a New York second.
All that said... by Archive	Nov 21st, 2008 01:40:24 PM
...why remake Oldboy? Really? Give us Lincoln! Especially now, with Barack Obama talking so much about him!
I asked Will about Oldboy... by STL Critic	Nov 21st, 2008 02:39:42 PM
When I spoke to him a few days ago in Saint Louis. Scroll down on this page to hear him talk about the remake - straight from the Fresh Prince's mouth. http://tinyurl.com/6lsy6t
Will Jazzy Jeff be in this movie? by crazybubba	Nov 21st, 2008 02:41:29 PM

I've got the ridiculous plot of 7 Pounds for you guys by IndustryKiller!	Nov 21st, 2008 02:42:18 PM
I'm sure now that alot of you have finally woken up to how awful and formulaic everything WIll SMith touches is you don't wanna keep paying like suckers for his crap. But maybe you're intrigued by 7 Pounds because the trailer gives no plot whatsoever. Well allow me to ruin it for you, trust me you will be missing nothing. Will SMith plays a guy who kills 7 people in a bus accident, the guilt is so strong in him that he plans on killing himself and finding 7 strangers to donate his organs to in order to save their lives. Which of course he ends up doing but not before he falls in love with one of the strangers (Rosario Dawson) and plenty of melodrama can ensue. Please dont pay for it, wasnt Hancock bad enough?
"Most people aren't aware of the manga..." by WaitingforAvengers	Nov 21st, 2008 02:42:26 PM
Outside of here, most people aren't aware of the movie, much less the manga...
WhinyNegativeBitch by riskebiz	Nov 21st, 2008 02:48:49 PM
Shock for shock value is not art. To me, the film went out of it's way to be "Watch for it: incest! Ain't it cool?! Watch for it: self-mutilation! Ain't it cool?!". But hey, I bought the damn thing years ago on AICN based on the glowing reviews. To me the King is wearing no clothes on this one. It's a knee-jerk, cliched AICN reaction to say that if you don't get the fetish-like love for Oldboy you ought to tune into the Christian Spotlight On Movies. But hey, whoever wanted that 3-disc version of Oldboy, they can purchase mine on the cheap. And for the record: Not a fan of Will Smith ... at all. To me, his remake of I AM LEGEND was so much more a travesty than anything that could possibly happen to Oldboy. The world's smallest violin is playing for the tragedy of Spielberg remaking this. But that's me.
They bought the concept is what it's all about by drturing	Nov 21st, 2008 02:52:18 PM
Basically, they thought "oh shit, that's a really great concept - guy is locked up mysteriously for 15 years and then has to find why, but screw all this depth and philosophy and super taboo stuff". They basically bought the concept. Shit though, I'd pay 50 bucks to see Will Smith eat a live octopus.
RE: Spielberg and what have you done for me lately by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Nov 21st, 2008 03:37:45 PM
Minority Report is pretty fucking awesome. This will still be compared to the movie, no matter what spin Will puts on it Thats all i got
if will smith is old boy then someone needs to die by angrykirby.tk	Nov 21st, 2008 05:23:51 PM
not ok
I still call bullshit!!!!! by picardsucks	Nov 21st, 2008 09:19:45 PM

The Original was over-hyped by AICN by 18to88	Nov 21st, 2008 09:41:44 PM
You guys sold me on that movie for months and years and you could not have been more wrong. It is the only DVD I can remember throwing in the trash after watching it. Nothing redeeming about that film.
Park Chan Wook put his soul into Oldboy by Sick Fixx	Nov 21st, 2008 10:00:10 PM
To Spielberg and Smith, it'll always just be another Spielberg and Smith project. But Park Chan Wook poured the essence of what he felt about revenge into that movie. I don't care if it has naysayers that balk at it. There's plenty that I balk at on here that gets coverage, but Oldboy, to me, is sacred.
Remake Sympathy for Lady Vengeance instead by picardsucks	Nov 21st, 2008 10:40:19 PM
Leae Oldboy and Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance alone
i prefer "the omega man" over "i am legend" by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 21st, 2008 10:52:32 PM

spielberg's "tin tin" is not based on the comics... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 21st, 2008 11:02:09 PM
but on the forgotten 1954 french film by korean expat park mai kar... which the comics were based on
"ichi the killer" remake... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 21st, 2008 11:07:35 PM
directed by michael bay starring shia laboof
and then will smith wins the oscar for obama by SantosLHalper	Nov 21st, 2008 11:09:52 PM
and suddenly everyones head explodes and the world sets on fire.
Should have been Nicholas Cage and not Smith by Staldo	Nov 22nd, 2008 12:09:24 AM
This "going back to the source material" talk was used for the Burton Chocolate Factory remake, and a few other crap movies that liked to pretend that they didn't totally owe their existence to a superior precursor film by claiming they would stick to the book and that nobody involved in production had even seen the original film, blah blah blah.
Should have been Nicholas Cage and not Smith by Staldo	Nov 22nd, 2008 12:09:28 AM
This "going back to the source material" talk was used for the Burton Chocolate Factory remake, and a few other crap movies that liked to pretend that they didn't totally owe their existence to a superior precursor film by claiming they would stick to the book and that nobody involved in production had even seen the original film, blah blah blah.
The manga's better than the original movie, so... by MyManD316	Nov 22nd, 2008 12:16:50 AM
...shouldn't we, as geeks, be looking forward to this? I'm guessing a lot of fans of the original don't want its memory blemished, but seeing that it's NOT a remake but a readaptation of the source material, what's all the pissing and moaning about? You can keep to the Korean version and ignore this one wholly, because it's not a remake! Park Chan Wook did an awesome job, and it's not like this is going to affect its existence in any way whatsoever. Those who think so are just being elitist pricks.
Maybe it will be like a WATCHMAN remake WITH SQUID! by Bob Cryptonight	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:09:34 AM
Maybe it will be closer to the source material...isn't that what most of you whine about anyway?
There are a lot of films that get majorly hyped up... by Giphangster	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:43:36 AM
"Oldboy" was one of the few that I actually feel completely lived up to the hype. An absolute masterpiece. I know it sounds like hyperbole, but I really feel that way. I think it's right up there with "Memento" in the psychological thriller category, which is really saying something. I know, I sound like a pathetic fanboy. shrug
does will smith (or spielberg) make r rated movies? by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:44:08 AM
a pg13 oldboy adaption - no thanks
Oh, and Sick Fixx by Giphangster	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:45:19 AM
PERFECTLY worded, my friend. I couldn't have put it better.
nicholas cage has very distracting hair by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:51:54 AM
each time he makes a movie his hair (and hair line) gets weirder - and it distracts me from the story - not in a good way - go bald with dignity - like ed harris, malkovich, sam jackson, willis, jason statham - they can act, and theyre all bald or balding - but ill admit, i can see cage in this before will smith - his weird hair would finally suit the role
MyManD316 by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:57:29 AM
yes - we, as geeks, should be looking forward to this... except for the fact that its spielberg and smith - do you see these 2, with their recent resumes, pulling out the stops and giving us a hard r rated modern film noir - with lots of blood and great tits - i dont - we dont see enough tits anymore in movies - i miss the 70s
even "i am legend" was pg13 by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 22nd, 2008 02:04:01 AM
that movie shouldve had way more gore and cussing - like a good r rated horror movie should - but will is a family man - he makes movies for the biggest audiences possible - so does spielbeg - so ill be shocked if they deliver the unexpected
Spielberg hard R = Munich by JackRabbitSlim	Nov 22nd, 2008 05:05:20 AM
I take it that you either never bothered watching or simply forgot the "jamming the knife hilt deep in baddies skull" or "shooting naked chick in tit" scenes in Munich. Disappointed Munich doesn't get more love on these boards - hell of a lot better than the ridiculously overhyped "Oldboy" with its truly sad "hypnotic suggestion to get daddy to bang daughter" (Take it you folks never read Oedipus before - been there done that) and the "wealthy freakshow imprisons guy for 17 years" nonsense. Honestly - what is it with Asian filmmakers ripping off Willy Shakes (looking at you Kurosawa-san) or the Hellenic Poets and being hailed as geniuses?
Turn it into a western by CuervoJones	Nov 22nd, 2008 06:31:55 AM
And we´ll talk. I´d buy a Spielberg western any day.
SHOULD'VE BEEN BILLY RAY AND MILEY CYRUS by BringingSexyBack	Nov 22nd, 2008 10:04:33 AM
Or Joe and Ashley Simpson. Come on, that's a no-brainer.
JACKRABBIT by BringingSexyBack	Nov 22nd, 2008 10:05:18 AM
I love Munich. Great film. One of Spielberg's best by far.
WELCOME TO EARF!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Nov 22nd, 2008 10:07:04 AM
"She is your daughter." "Awwwww hhaaaiillll nnaaaawwwwww!!!!!!" Clutches his groin
I wish I could direct remake movies about incest. by WarpedElements	Nov 22nd, 2008 10:53:36 AM
I mean sheesh, who wouldn't want to be put in that category?
JackRabbitSlim by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:00:48 PM
good point on "munich" - a great movie for adults that not enough people saw - except will smith is in this - spielbeg plus will smith doesnt equal a "munich"
who is up for a "horrors of malformed men" remake by JimmyJoe RedSky	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:03:17 PM

Not a fuckin' comics... by Gluecifer	Nov 23rd, 2008 04:17:43 AM
wiht men in tights. It's called a MANGA, Will $mith, a MANGA!
Summer Blockbuster PG-13... by 420 Boylston St	Nov 23rd, 2008 11:30:51 AM
Sweet Willie time!!! July 4th or Christmas holiday!!! I hope this film is neither the kind of family friendly opus these guys cradle to. This film should be and deserves a hard R. Smith hasn't been hardcore since BAD BOYS II, which I think is a great film and ballsy--takes no prisoners, and Spielberg can produce a hardcore film like Munich and Saving Private Ryan. The problem is ,pertaining to Spielberg, is his hard R's are strictly biographical. He hasn't endulged himself in adult fare for simple entertainment and I doubt he will with this film but we'll see. Me thinks Spielberg is gonna rub President Bush's nose in it one more time for good measures. He hasn't sprinkled his political views on Guantanamo Bay yet.
Schindler's his last great film - 15 years ago! by zapano	Nov 24th, 2008 05:18:55 AM
all his other films since have been lacking in some respect or another. then again his last great film before Schindler was E.T. an eleven year gap. But that was the culmination of his prime 7 year period when he made Jaws, Close Encounters, Raiders and E.T. (conveniently ignoring 1941) I've finally come to accept the fact that directors such as Scorsese, Spielberg and Coppola are past their prime and no longer make masterpieces. If it happens it happens. Fincher, Jonze, Wes and P.T. Anderson are the film makers to look forward to.
Actually... by 420 Boylston St	Nov 24th, 2008 10:37:24 AM
I'm not expecting much from those filmmakers as well. No of those filmmkars you mentioned has created magical films ala George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppolla, and Martin Scorsese. Fincher, Jonze, Wes, and PT Anderson just don't have it. They copy stories and themes from the great filmmakers I've mentioned and modernized it. Their Box Office numbers have also been mediocre at best and never made anyone I know crank out 12 bucks to see their film. The closet from the new batch who came close to getting that kind of interest was M. Night Shyamalan. As we know now The Sixth Sense was an anomoly, a FLUKE. I'm looking forward to James Cameron's next film... he's my only hope right now.
Actually... by 420 Boylston St	Nov 24th, 2008 10:40:13 AM
I'm not expecting much from those filmmakers as well. None of those filmmkars you mentioned has created magical films ala George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppolla, and Martin Scorsese. Fincher, Jonze, Wes, and PT Anderson just don't have it. They copy stories and themes from the great filmmakers I've mentioned and modernized it. Their Box Office numbers have also been mediocre at best and never made anyone I know crank out 12 bucks to see their film. The closest from the new batch who came close to getting that kind of interest was M. Night Shyamalan. As we know now The Sixth Sense was an anomoly, a FLUKE. I'm looking forward to James Cameron's next film... he's my only hope right now.
Lady Vengeance is a much better film by MACHO CABRIO	Nov 24th, 2008 03:23:58 PM
As much as I love Old Boy for it's viscerality, Lady Vengeance was way more dramatic, powerful and stylish. I think that's the film everyone should talk about. Anyway, all of us will be watching this, so stop complaining.
talk about surreal... by The Amazing G	Nov 25th, 2008 04:28:42 AM
Spielberg and Will Smith making a movie based on an obscure manga?
I don't know.... by The Amazing G	Nov 25th, 2008 04:33:20 AM
I guess I'm committing a TB heresy here, but I'd love to see these guys do it RIGHT and heck maybe they will....

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