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Capone finds TWILIGHT neither romantic nor creepy, even with all of those pretty faces!!!

The best movie equating vampirism to puberty by seppukudkurosawa	Nov 21st, 2008 07:00:59 AM
is Valerie and Her Week of Wonders, an awesome, surreal Czech gem of a movie with one of the best soundtracks ever made. Check it out, Cap!
How many fucking Twilight reviews are there on this site? by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Nov 21st, 2008 07:01:19 AM
Where's the fucking TB dedicated to The Wrestler?
sucked, pun intended by Gargolito	Nov 21st, 2008 07:02:28 AM
saw it, hated it, watch smallville instead the soap opera factor is less there... really.
"TWILIGHT is not a complete failure." by V'Shael	Nov 21st, 2008 07:06:24 AM
Best review of that movie on this site so far.
Damn You Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Nov 21st, 2008 07:11:58 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
F hollywood for blocking let the right one in by palewook	Nov 21st, 2008 07:22:51 AM
from america.
Where the hell is "Let the Right One In" playing? by SoylentMean	Nov 21st, 2008 07:49:01 AM
It certainly must be available on hundreds, nay thousands of screens, because that's what Hollywood does with high quality imports (especially ones it's already remaking for American sensibilities). Besides, it's Swedish, which means it must be on a minimum of 2,000 screens. Fuck, right, the world isn't fair. It's a shame that this "Right Before Dark, But Not Quite Full Dark" movie is going to make a shitload of money. I'd rather be watching Harry Potter 6.
Star Wars vs Star Trek by Diagnostic	Nov 21st, 2008 07:53:10 AM
Twilight vs High School: the Musical
Gay. This movie is just gay. by dr sauch	Nov 21st, 2008 07:55:19 AM

Remember 'Love Story'? by zinc_chameleon	Nov 21st, 2008 07:57:13 AM
Twilight is a masterpiece of mood and timing compared to Love Story (1970). Did that stop it from making the big bucks? Nope! It was the time of student unrest, and some smart producer said: "Let's take an old sappy script and make it relevant to today's youth!". Ah how soon we forget what it was like to be 17.
Let The Right One In by Stormshadow4life	Nov 21st, 2008 08:00:28 AM
I know! I've been waiting for that movie to come to town for months! I guess I'll have to wait for BluRay
True Blood vs. Twilight by Mr Slippy Fist	Nov 21st, 2008 08:28:14 AM
Anytime you get to see Anna Paquin naked or wearing close to nothing, always hands down a winner.
Vampires watered down to diarrohea..flush it all by quantize	Nov 21st, 2008 08:35:41 AM
I know, maybe JJ is not a fan Vampire movies either and can reboot them...shame the cast of 90210 are already busy.. Hollywood is simply too fucking dumb to get behind 'Let The Right One In'...think about that everytime you see Nicole Kidman on the Today show next week.
LTROI is incredible by SpawnofAchilles	Nov 21st, 2008 08:41:56 AM
saw it in Philly. Twilight...I'm thinking not so much
necgray. no. by palewook	Nov 21st, 2008 08:45:02 AM
won't receive a major release in the USA. studios bought the film. only limited release shows in the usa are ones scheduled before it was bought. let the right one in, will be shown as Let Me In after hollywood finishes remaking it and reshooting it. with the new american version coming out in 2009/2010. and the official dvd release of the original following 6 months later in the usa. until then, you can catch one of the limited arthouse engagements, buy the import of the dvd, wait until the official usa dvd release, or pirate it.
Lost Boys vs Near Dark all over again by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 21st, 2008 08:52:54 AM
Let The Right One In will be ignored the same way Near Dark was back in '87, whilst all the idiots line up for Twilight.
I'm not Twilight's market by quentintarantado	Nov 21st, 2008 09:19:00 AM
I'm 42, male, scifi nerd. Will watch anyway. Curiosity-killing cat.
Prop 8 Opponents by j_difool	Nov 21st, 2008 09:54:01 AM
should boycott this Mormon piece of shit.
mormon propoganda? by Magic Rat	Nov 21st, 2008 11:10:21 AM
just wait till the 4th movie when Edward begs Bella to get an abortion. seriously.
"A screenplay full of ellipsis"...?!?! by Ellipsian	Nov 21st, 2008 12:12:24 PM
OMG...where do I sign up...?
More whiny teenagers by codefool	Nov 21st, 2008 01:00:48 PM
Is that all teens are and are drawn to now is moody whiny shit? From what I heard about this movie, its for emo fags.
Magic Rat by frozen01	Nov 21st, 2008 02:46:09 PM
shudders I wish you were joking. I hope the series never makes it that far. The 4th books sucked... f**k it, it sucked so hard I can't even come up with an analogy.
frozen01 by Magic Rat	Nov 21st, 2008 03:43:18 PM
i'll make a slight defense of Twilight as a continuing series of movies. Remember how the first Harry Potter movie sucked so much? Well, this sucked the same way that did, but it was made on a much smaller budge. If Twilight rakes in about 200 million (which is a pretty conservative estimate), then the next film should have a bigger budget, better special effects and be an overall more enjoyable film. Or not.
You are crazy - Breaking Dawn rules by Chakalak	Nov 21st, 2008 05:00:07 PM
Yes, it was over-the-top wacky, but the only one where Bella stops maundering on about her love for Edward (right when she finally gets some), and real action actually takes place. It's the one that will probably make the best movie - all the others take place mostly in Bella's head. Also, the reason why Edward was attracted to Bella was never really explained until the last book. It was a puzzling mystery until then. (Her attraction was spelled out over and over - she thought he was hot, and loved his amazingly unteenagerly self-control in that he never made a move on her).
Whatever happened to vampirism being a curse by Continentalop	Nov 21st, 2008 10:32:17 PM
Seriously. Every movie now shows vampirism as cool (save for maybe this LTROI which I haven't seen). It is getting so old. Somebody do a movie where a vampire is an inhuman, evil monster who view humans just as cattle, please. Emo-vampires have run their course.
hey hey by ranma627	Nov 21st, 2008 10:39:34 PM
I love independent filmmaking but I gotta say, I enjoyed Twilight way more then I enjoyed Let the Right One In. I feel like it's a conspiracy that LTROI has all these glowing reviews. There really wasn't much to the movie at all. Attack me all you want but it's true. Explain to me why Let the Right One In is so fucking great, when it's not. Twilight may be for screaming tweens but this 24 year old male enjoyed the hell out of it.
kwisatzhaderach by ranma627	Nov 21st, 2008 10:46:17 PM
why are people who watch this movie idiots? They enjoy a simple fucking love story and people like you have ot bash them for it. I feel there's a place in this world for great movies just like there's a place for stuff like High School Musical. Everything has its target audience and what's so wrong with that? Everybody feels the need to attack something they don't enjoy. Why don't they just realize it's not for them? Movies like Near Dark and Let the Right One in have as much a place in this world as Lost Boys and Twilight. Why should any of us care how much money these movies are making? All of these movies are here for our enjoyment and not all of them are going cater to your movie-going needs.
actually... by crankyoldguy	Nov 21st, 2008 11:15:42 PM
I like...elipsis use...duh. But Twilight? I loathed the book, so why should I have to suffer in a theater. So the wife had a girls night out while me and one of the dads let the kids have a night together in at our place; he's now a fan of this site, having never seen it before, watching me post and post tonight.
and okay review here, but... by crankyoldguy	Nov 21st, 2008 11:17:01 PM
Massa nailed it in his from why it does appeal to women to its abuse of all vampire lore and more. IT'S NOT A VAMPIRE MOVIE.
and ranma627 by crankyoldguy	Nov 21st, 2008 11:18:52 PM
it's a simple-minded love story I have issues with. Want a list of the complex ones that are far superior? and if you don't like attacking and parrying and defending and so on, maybe these pages here ain't for you...
oh, you're 24.... by crankyoldguy	Nov 21st, 2008 11:19:48 PM
call me when you at least past 30...boy
i stated my age by ranma627	Nov 21st, 2008 11:37:31 PM
To express how I'm not the target audience. I really rather start a conversation on Let the Right One In, I really am finding it hard to understand why people like it so much. Twilight is a simple minded love story. The movie is basically like an emo version of a romantic comedy but I was able to enjoy it. I had a real good time with it is all and I think I should be on these message board. The writers on this site, Moriarty, Harry, etc, know that all talkbackers do is whine and whine and whine. Sometimes it's justified but most of the time people either nitpick or bash something which isn't targeted towards them to begin with. It's a vampire love story for young girls and older housewives who read romantic novels. That's what i expected the film to be like and I enjoyed it and feel no shame in saying so.
I never called by ranma627	Nov 21st, 2008 11:39:29 PM
the movie complex or anything and just because there's far superior film out there doesn't make it a bad movie. Something a simple fairy tale like love story is all I need. Everything doesn't have to emulate real life. It's fiction for chrissake so get over yourself.
also by ranma627	Nov 21st, 2008 11:41:53 PM
for people who want their independent film, move to a major city. I live in Chicago where Let the Right One In is playing at a few cinemas. It's even playing at a 21 plex in downtown Chicago. We also got JCVD. It's be even sweeter if I actually enjoyed these two films but unfortunately, I did not. The bright spots of my week have been Twilight and Season 3 of the Wire.
haven't seen Right One... by crankyoldguy	Nov 21st, 2008 11:46:03 PM
so i can't comment. But addressing your other point, it's not just a question of the "targeting." When someone tells you something is so great and you experience it - in this case, my wife saying read the book, you'll get it - and then you find it wretched (no honey, I don't get it, it's a lame story, lame romance, not all wonderful), then they get mad, hurt, etc. that you don't like it. Too bad, it was brought up. Hell, I'm a suck for a grand romance that's pained and difficult - John and Aeryn in Farscape, Buffy-Angel (far better than Twilight) - as well as romantic comedies (I mentioned the original Sabrina in another Talkback as one example. The love story in Enchanted was more charming. Granted I'm fighting to not waste money by being dragged to see this film, but why should I, since I loathed the book? And sorry for the boy crack - your age stating example was fair, okay?- I've just lived longer and yeah, I get cranky. One other thing: Did it bother you that these "Vampires" barely acted like Vampires and most of the lore is tossed out the window with intelligent dialogue?
i don't care for vampire lore by ranma627	Nov 22nd, 2008 12:38:53 AM
I meant if a movie wants to explain it then fine but I'm open to different takes on it and I don't need everything spelled out. And what do vampires act like? They're a family of vampires who are brought up to value human life. I like that take on it a lot. Just because someone originally came up with the idea of a vampire doesn't mean it can't be played with. Same thing that's going on with James Bond right now. A lot of people are hating on the series because it's changing. People need to accept that people are always trying to reinvent something with their own little details. If I want a classic vampire movie then I'll watch a classic vampire movie but I have nothing against them playing with it. Now, I'm not saying Twilight was a great movie, it's just something I was able to sit down and enjoy for two hours. I have not read the book, so I can't judge that. Sometimes I can just go to the movie theatre looking to be entertained and ultimately, that's what this film did for me. I'm just a very open minded person who's able to look at something for what it is and judge in on those terms. A man once said, "If you limit your views, you limit your life." I try to look at everything and see it for what it is and I'm able to walk away rewarded more often than not.
The point is they are not Vampires by crankyoldguy	Nov 22nd, 2008 12:48:34 AM
Something else maybe, male-female succubi of blood, whatever, but they are not Vampires. Period.
vampires by ranma627	Nov 22nd, 2008 01:40:44 AM
Vampires are immortal, and feed off human or animal blood. Details are they sleep during the day and can't be in the daylight and they don't have a reflection in a mirror. Just details man. Two of the most important details are there so I consider them vampires. What is it that doesn't make them vampires?
they're not, period by crankyoldguy	Nov 22nd, 2008 02:21:14 AM
details my ass. and don't say "man" son, it does show our age, okay? Now if you don't get it, it's clearly not a genre you care for. have you tried the romance novel section? I suppose they don't need facts either, instead they use heat???? This is all bullshit. Okay. They I want to hit hard-boiled eggs with a wood spoon and run to bases. I'm still calling it baseball.
I just think you overanalyze it by ranma627	Nov 22nd, 2008 02:28:29 AM
I simply asked what is it that makes them not vampires? If you're going to give some simple details then it proves what i said earlier. And yes, I would still call it baseball. Such small details. They suck blood and they're immortal. What more do you want?
Saying man shows my age? by ranma627	Nov 22nd, 2008 02:29:49 AM
You're kidding me right? I can speak whichever way I want to. Am I supposed to be ashamed to be a 24-year old? How does speaking a certain way dictate how old you are? That's pretty shallow.
Bill Paxton's by ranma627	Nov 22nd, 2008 02:37:16 AM
character from Near Dark would annihilate the vamps from Lost Boys.
Bring Vampires Back As A Curse! by Sidepocket	Nov 22nd, 2008 04:12:29 AM
I agree with the above person who said this. In fact I had heated arguments in my analytical horror class about this. What makes vampires sexy? I dunno about anyone else, but when I think of vampires I think of mosquito...and maybe it is just me, but mosquito are not sexy. Not. One. Bit.
Agreed... by Pop_aristocrat	Nov 22nd, 2008 05:08:43 AM
I don't mind seductive vampires, but I've had my fill of them for a while. Any Vampires that actually follow the 'cursed by God' mythos have to be disgusting, repellent creatures. Lets try s'more Nosferatu types,eh?
ranma627 by alanmoore	Nov 22nd, 2008 12:16:06 PM
The reasons so many people are so against Twilight are as follows: 1) Twilight's value-system is derived from that of the Mormon church; they want all kinds of secular-world things that they cannot have, and need to substitute theological swoon for actual (and healthy) satisfaction. The entire book is a salespitch for abstinence. Bella wants an abortion in the 4th book but Edward doesn't want her to have one - the list goes on. And on. And on. 2) The love story is not just "simple"; if it were, there would be no problem. However, it is also dull and trite, cliched and hackneyed and creepy. Which leads me to... 4) Edward is 90 years old and still trolling for 17 year-old-tail. Is THAT romantic? Is THAT "love"? His behavior is demonstrably stalker-like in every way. Also, Edward - through his actions in the story - is the PERFECT textbook illustration of "abusive and possessive and overprotective - and yes ABUSIVE - boyfriend." Moreover, Bella is the perfect and ready-made template called "Abuse Victim." Her responses to Edward, in fact the entire dynamic of their relationship, is abusive and threatening. 5) Stephanie Meyers, with the changes she has brought to the genre, has both eviscerated and emasculated the "vampire legend," and has domesticated it entirely, when in fact one central alluring aspect of the vampire legend is the fact that it breaks domestic boundaries. I've gone easy on you, ranma, because you're not old enough to have taken a Literary Criticism class, nor are you old enough to have done a serious (read: academic) study of the horror or romance genres. More to come - guaranteed.
Frankly alanmoore by ranma627	Nov 22nd, 2008 08:10:50 PM
You bring all this baggage from having read the book series which I've never done. I'm just judging the film on the merits that it presented and that's it. I'm not trying to analyze what makes up vampire legend or how it gets its values from the Mormons. I couldn't care less about all that. I just had a good time last night watching this movie. It's not a movie I'll own or even revisit but it was a satisfactory viewing. You can point out all its flaws which are plentiful, but I pay no mind to any of that. And I feel like such a simple, mainstream work should not be broken down and analyzed like you do so. It's preposterous. If you're literally trying to criticize something like Twilight, then you have problems. That's like trying to analyze music from the Spice Girls. It's all supposed to be taken with a grain of salt, so lighten up.
To those bitching about "Mormon propaganda" by Durendal	Nov 22nd, 2008 09:02:39 PM
Seriously, get a fucking life. Twilight sucks, yes. Yes, it's trite tweenie swoon material. But Mormon propaganda simply because the author is Mormon? Great, now the spiritual beliefs of ANY author automatically make it propaganda for that group! I really don't see anything exclusive to Mormonism in there. Oh, the vampires are nice guys? Well, gee, if they were chowing down on humans, they wouldn't really be the good guys, now would they? And oh no, they wait until they're married to do it! My God, they're advocating abstinence until marriage! STRING MEYER UP BY HER THUMBS! Seriously, get a life. I'm smelling a whole lot of kneejerk bigotry around here...
On more time for some stupid twits here by crankyoldguy	Nov 22nd, 2008 11:43:29 PM
THEY ARE NOT VAMPIRES. Had they been called something else - immortal blood lusters, etc. - they we'd only be blasting a lame-ass, juvenile romance tale. (if you think this is a grown-up love story, you are delusional.
Met a funny Morman once... by crankyoldguy	Nov 22nd, 2008 11:44:44 PM
Guy named Donny. He had a sense of humor and was a former teen idol. Worked with him on some entertainment projects. Never tried to convert anyone. He wasn't about dogma, unlike the subtext in this Twilight crap.
And Ranma...when you grow up... by crankyoldguy	Nov 22nd, 2008 11:48:44 PM
you might be lucky to grow a pair as well in terms of a foundation of personal aesthetics. The Spice Girls were a joke. They had one actually memorable dopey pop hit. I'd love to see what's on your itunes/ipod/mp3/whatever you use. You probably think Beyonce and Fall Out Boy are good. Moron.
Durendal by Sidepocket	Nov 23rd, 2008 12:13:28 AM
I dunno, people really love the Punisher and James Bond.
crankyoldguy by ranma627	Nov 23rd, 2008 01:38:44 AM
I brought up the Spice Girls to say that something like that should not be analyzed. The fact is, I like all types of music as well. And just how I said all types of movies have a place in this world so does mindless pop music. Yes, I have Fall Out Boy on my ipod, I am from Chicago, so they're hometown boys. I also really liked Spice Girls when they were hot. You can say they only had one hit but that would be false. There's nothing wrong with liking pop music. Plus, I'm not a music aficionado and I don't claim to be either. I've never gotten into older music in the likes of Elvis Costello or Bob Dylan. I've merely scratched the surface on music and film. I have a lot to learn, yes, but like I said, I feel there's a place for everything. I'd dread the day where I looked for everything to be deep and meaningful. Sometimes you just want to be entertained. There's a lot of pretentious fucks out there who want everything to be deep and complex and explore all these levels of humanity. And that's great. But there's tons of stuff out there that offers so much. Some of its deep and some of it is not but it all has a place in this world and I don't think you should be called a moron because you like some pop fluff bullshit. FYI, I have Beyonce, can't stand the whore. But I love Justin Timberlake, Kanye West and a how bunch of pop music just like I love emo shit like Brand New or AFI or indie pop like Ben Kweller and Death Cab For Cutie. I keep an open mind to shit unlike many others and like I said, earlier, up top in this talkback, to limit your views is to limit your life. I happen to think Harry Knowles is a shitty movie reviewer because he likes practically everything but it's still nice to see a reviewer who goes into everything he sees with a certain level of optimism. But people like you, crankyoldguy, make life depressing. So is there something wrong with my foundation of positive thinking? Because if there is, please state the reasons.
How far we've come by ArmandVA	Nov 23rd, 2008 11:17:18 AM
A year ago, the talkbacks were defending The Golden Compass against charges of "atheist propaganda". But, now, "mormon propaganda" seems to be an acceptable criticism of Twilight. I'm just sayin.
mormon propaganda by maluquiro	Nov 23rd, 2008 05:40:28 PM
i saw this in utah, and the whole theater laughed when the older vampire guy said "remember who you are". it's a classic mormon youth hear a billion times growing up, and it's clear that meyers' beliefs are reflected in this movie. that's not a crime and doesn't make the book or movies "propaganda". i think people are just upset that there's a genre-ish franchise that's hugely popular, but caters to the adolescent fantasies of girls instead of boys.
crankyoldguy and alan moore by maluquiro	Nov 23rd, 2008 05:47:49 PM
what dogma? what are you even talking about? what the hell does donny osmond have to do with anything? stephanie meyers is not trying to convert anybody, she just wrote a book that reflects her values. alanmoore, you sound kinda douchey. and unless you're name is really alan moore, you should change your name.
i mean by maluquiro	Nov 23rd, 2008 05:58:08 PM
change your screen name.
Just to bring some levity to this cat-fight by watch_the_world_burn	Nov 23rd, 2008 10:20:26 PM
"Knock knock" "Who's there?" "Mormons" "Fuck off!"

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