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Great News...if Morricone gets the time he needs
by KillaKane
Nov 18th, 2008
02:22:51 PM
Temp tracks's aside some new Morricone underscore for a QT flick is worthy of a geek-out.
Ennio Morricone.....wow, how original Quentin.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
02:25:18 PM
"And What's Eli Roth Doing Behind The Camera?"
by idonotseekabanning
Nov 18th, 2008
02:27:05 PM
Filming his bloody stools?
There's always the 2010 Cannes
by Aloy
Nov 18th, 2008
02:27:36 PM
Give the artists the time they require. This'll be a lock to sell tickets so do it right.
Just keeps sounding better and better.
by Zarles
Nov 18th, 2008
02:42:35 PM
I cannot WAIT to see this. 2009 is going to rock balls.
"what's eli roth doing behind the camera?"
by Major Hockshtetter
Nov 18th, 2008
02:44:20 PM
boy, I've been asking myself that question for years...
Get John Carpenter to do the fucking score already
by Stuntcock Mike
Nov 18th, 2008
02:46:16 PM
An ounce of weed and one month later. DONE!
QUENTIN TARANTINO SCRATCHES HIS ASS !!
by skimn
Nov 18th, 2008
02:48:11 PM
Does he scratch clockwise or counter-clockwise? Details to follow.
MEDELLIN!!!!
by AdrianVeidt
Nov 18th, 2008
02:50:11 PM
Seriously.
The best film of 2009...?
by Brendon
Nov 18th, 2008
02:58:16 PM
Well, probably not - that will probably be The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus. A close run second? All the signs say yes.
I'm not one to sling insults around usually...
by thefrood
Nov 18th, 2008
02:59:02 PM
But Danny Glovers Dick Blood is a fucking twat. Ennio Morricone is a literally a legend. Not a hyperbole chasing chancer like the people who are ordinarily associated with the word but a legend in the literal sense. Tarantino should get his priorities straight and fuck Cannes off in favour of giving the maestro time. Cannes is a meat market, ask anyone who's been to the festival. Just because it's held in France does not mean that it's any more an arbiter of taste than a hundred other movie fests.
All Morricone really needs to do is write a main theme
by TylerDurden3395
Nov 18th, 2008
03:03:37 PM
QT can fill the rest of the soundtrack with other Morricone cues from other movies...
If DGDB were a flavor of ice cream...
by Zarles
Nov 18th, 2008
03:04:49 PM
...it would be Shit-Covered Cock N' Balls.
an ounce of weed in a month stuntcock?
by HOUSTON500
Nov 18th, 2008
03:08:30 PM
did your grandmother teach you how to get stoned? Only joking, and i'll fuckin second that JC suggestion by the way.
yyeeeeeeaaahhh!!
by Gabba-UK
Nov 18th, 2008
03:09:54 PM
all that needs to be said really.
"what's eli roth doing behind the camera?"
by Darth Busey
Nov 18th, 2008
03:11:11 PM
Hopefully, watching QT intently to learn how to competently direct films. More likely, he's probably fluffing QT, which has to be the only explanation for Eli Roth having anything at all to do with this film. (p.s. Eli, I know you're reading, I love ya, pal!)
Although...
by HOUSTON500
Nov 18th, 2008
03:11:42 PM
I always thought Morricone's score for the Thing was a John Carpenter tune, like all of the early Carpenter films. I was shocked to find out Morricone did the score when i finally watched it on DVD (I grew up with watching it on a taped VHS off the BBC, and my dad missed the opening credits. So it was also the first time i saw the 'You gotta be fuckin kidding' line)
thefrood
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:12:58 PM
Oh fuck off with that bullshit. I never once slammed Ennio. I think the man is incredibly talented. The Untouchables is one of my favorite score. SO FUCK OFF.

I merely stated this is yet another predictable move by Quentin. You can plot his creative decisions like clock work.

Good luck with this movie guys. Its gonna be sad when this disappoints the fuck out of you.

To those giving QT shit for not wanting to wait for Morricone
by Darth Busey
Nov 18th, 2008
03:13:14 PM
You should also give QT shit for not waiting until Arnold was out of office to begin filming this. Since when did the awesome Arnold/Sly/Willis/etc. cast idea turn into World War Nebbish?
Eli -- if you're reading....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:14:42 PM
...kill yourself.
"Rush to Cannes"
by mr.brownstone
Nov 18th, 2008
03:15:26 PM
Give me a fucking break. Talk about having your priorities ass backwards. I want this movie to be great, but I would get some kind of sick pleasure out of it if got panned at Cannes. The hubris is mind numbing. Also DGDB -- hang your head in shame. That is the lamest comment you or anybody else could have made regarding this news.
"And What's Eli Roth Doing Behind The Camera?"
by kwisatzhaderach
Nov 18th, 2008
03:18:18 PM
A damn good question.
Congrats QT
by Samuel Fulmer
Nov 18th, 2008
03:18:51 PM
I was hoping he would change his mind about original scoring and try to get Morricone involved in this. It should be right up his alley.
I'm so agnostic.
by Nice Marmot
Nov 18th, 2008
03:24:29 PM
I totally agree w/ you on this, Dickblood, but also totally agree that you are such a smarmy prick.
the Cannes audience will boo this film
by TOTAL_FUCKING_DESTRUCTION
Nov 18th, 2008
03:25:58 PM
and it will be TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION when QT takes the stage for a Q and A.
After the Hostels
by skimn
Nov 18th, 2008
03:26:19 PM
Quentins put Roth behind the camera to film a trailer parody for Grindhouse, and now a mini-doc, which I'm sure will be like the "Girls With AK47s" in Jackie Brown. Anything to keep him from feature length...
Nice Marmot
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:27:04 PM
I'm not a politician, and this isn't a popularity contest. I'm merely here to speak the truth!!

SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!!

yeah I'm excited about the Cannes review.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:27:47 PM
for those that are still excited about this....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:30:03 PM
....have you read the script?
Give Danny a break.
by D.Vader
Nov 18th, 2008
03:36:32 PM
He didn't say shit about Ennio. He said shit about QT. Learn to fucking read. And QT is getting predictable. Next movie: a grindhouse-style genre piece with 151 references/homages/ripoffs of other films.
odd? I'd say its fucking horrible.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:39:39 PM
Its pretentious and repetitive What the fuck was he going for with that thing? Its fucking pointless. It feels like it was written by a retarded 12 year old with a permanent hard on for all things that suck. "HE FUCKS HER DOGGY STYLE" and "LEGS, ARMS, AND ASSHOLES RAIN DOWN ON US" Yeah....uhhhh...great writer. Glad to see you have finally grown up you talentless cunt. But Ennio is doing the score now...so its all good!! Its gonna be swell!
D.Vader
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:42:43 PM
Thanks dude.

Oh shit I always forget about Orca!! Say what you want about the film, but its a fantastic fucking score by Ennio.

"What's Eli Roth doing behind the camera?"
by mr_macphisto
Nov 18th, 2008
03:42:58 PM
hopefully getting beaten to death with another, much bigger camera.
I think PRETENTIOUS is fitting....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:44:26 PM
...its like he is standing in the streets screaming for attention, hoping people still value him as a filmmaker, but he lacks the talent or class to make anything halfway decent. This is the best he could come up with.
DGDB
by Monkey Butler
Nov 18th, 2008
03:44:32 PM
Have you read any other QT scripts? They're all like that, it's just the way he puts things onto paper. The point is that the script for IB is a different kind of mess than the scripts to, say, Death Proof or Kill Bill (which would have been infinitely cooler if Tarntino had kept Yuki's Revenge and Can She Bake a Cherry Pie?) and that's what's interesting. And c'mon, you gotta give him credit at least for having the balls to end the film the way he does.
Monkey Butler
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
03:47:12 PM
Yeah I have wasted a lot of my life reading his scripts sadly. I think his best work is Dusk Till Dawn. On paper its an excellent script. The movie is okay....but it read a lot better.
ELI
by Come_ON
Nov 18th, 2008
03:59:10 PM
will treat it like the dim-witted frat boy he is: LIKE SHIT ON BALLS
Eli Roth is an ass clown...
by Blood Simple
Nov 18th, 2008
04:01:55 PM
that is all.
ATTENTION IMPOSTER
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
Nov 18th, 2008
04:03:27 PM
your underscores aren't fooling anyone. step off, admit your inferiority, and get back in line for TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
YOU FRENCH MOTHER FUCKERS
by AdrianVeidt
Nov 18th, 2008
04:05:52 PM
YOU DON'T GET ART! WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING? FUCK YOU!
Tangerine Dream
by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET
Nov 18th, 2008
04:16:20 PM
Why not hire both?!?!?!?!? Get a few tracks from Ennio and then salt in some TD. That or you use a single amazing Ennio theme throughout the entire film like Carpenter did in the Thing. God the stuff TD did for The Keep. I'd love to see that marriage. Ennio starts it up TD add some stuff to hear between his stuff.
Lay Off The DB!!!!
by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET
Nov 18th, 2008
04:28:43 PM
The script sucks ass and what's worse most of the plot is Lifted/Stolen from Paul Verhoeven Zwartboek/Black Book!!!

I hated the screenplay. More so because It's not the film QT promised us. Shosanna is the main story the Bastards are incidental and 2 dimensional. Aldo is well written. I'll say that much.

monkey butler- Balls???
by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET
Nov 18th, 2008
04:34:52 PM
For ending it like Apples 1984 Apple Macintosh Commercial meets Gremlins Hi Ho, Uh Oh! Or are you talking about the I Defect and got Branded scene?
Mr. Zeddemore
by AdrianVeidt
Nov 18th, 2008
04:45:31 PM
Thank you, and thank you further for acknowledging my dear cat Bubastis, who has since forgiven me (I can only hope) for his ::ahem:: demise.

Furthermore, I must credit Billy Walsh, the great director of Medellin and Queen's boulevard for my antics.

QT: The most important director of the '90s
by mode_7
Nov 18th, 2008
04:46:37 PM
You know it to be true.
uhhhh no....SPIELBERG is MOST IMPORTANT DIRECTOR
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 18th, 2008
04:51:44 PM
of the 90s.....

Jurassic Park

Schindler's List

Saving Private Ryan

Yeah...no one came close.

A Morricone Score > Cannes
by chaplinatemyshoe
Nov 18th, 2008
04:53:00 PM
It's that simple. If he loses Ennio over trying to beat a silly festival deadline, he's an idiot.
ELI ROTH NAZI PROPAGANDA FILM
by Mullah Omar
Nov 18th, 2008
04:53:34 PM
...might be the least-offensive film he ever makes.

Weirdly enough.
mode_7
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
04:57:55 PM
Yes QT WAS once one of the most important directors of the 90's (WAS being the key word), but guess what, Peter Bogdonavich was once one of the most important directors of the 70's, as was Francis Ford Coppola and William Friedkin. Does anybody really that excited anymore when they make a movie? QT is gradually going down the same path other great directors have, by getting more narcissistic and indulgent. What happens when you make films so personal that only you can enjoy them? I guess it is a riddle, such as what is the sound of one hand clapping, but in Quentin’s case the answer is becoming “the same sound heard at any Tarantino film: no clapping at all.”
DANNY_DICKBLOOD
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
05:00:21 PM
Yes, I will agree that Spielberg is the most successful, but I guess I wonder who is the most influential. For me it would have to be QT, Scorsese and, God help us, Roland Emmerich.
Krzysztof Kieslowski = Most Important 90s Director
by chaplinatemyshoe
Nov 18th, 2008
05:01:29 PM
I love Tarantino & Spielberg, but Kieslowski, in fact, owned the 90s.
Any film by ELI ROTH is Nazi propoganda!
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
05:04:59 PM
I'm sure hate groups recrutiment quotas are met everytime he makes a fim.
Ok, maybe a little hyperbole about Eli Roth
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
05:19:37 PM
But you get the point. He is not a good director.
Mr. Zeddemore
by mode_7
Nov 18th, 2008
05:22:36 PM
With Fincher I see where you're coming from but Anderson? Boogie Nights and Magnolia? Give me a fucking break. Anderson's probably the most overrated director in history. His movies are interesting at best, at worst intellectual masterbation for film school hipsters. I swear to god I have never felt any emotion whatsoever while watching anything he's ever made. And I cried during fucking Star Trek once, I'm a total pussy!
Morricone is a bitter old Mummy
by BauerJackBauer
Nov 18th, 2008
05:24:11 PM
Just track it with old stuff, QT.
ELI ROTH
by mode_7
Nov 18th, 2008
05:25:28 PM
Hostel 2 is an important movie. Not nesseserily a good movie, but an important one. I'm glad it exists, even though I'll probably never subject myself to it again.
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Nov 18th, 2008
05:27:18 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
mode_7
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
05:32:20 PM
May I ask how Hostel 2 is an important film? I am curious. If you are saying that it has some sort of commentary about America's use of torture and extraordinary rendition, I will say it falls horrible flat on examining and commenting on those matters. That is like saying Fight for Your Life is examines race relations. Otherwise, I am all ears and would love to know how you came to that conclusion.
Continentalop
by mode_7
Nov 18th, 2008
05:49:00 PM
I'm way to tired to articulate my thoughts on that right now but I'll post something tomorrow if I manage to get my shit together:)
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD, you're what's wrong w/ TBers
by JumpinJehosaphat
Nov 18th, 2008
05:54:28 PM
It's just you against the world, isn't it, Danny. I'm sorry they've yet to make a movie about you bitching about everything and jerking off to the sound of your own vitriol. That's the only story good enough for DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD!
Mr. Zeddemore
by mode_7
Nov 18th, 2008
05:55:55 PM
Wes Anderson is cool but I'm not sure I'd describe his movies as important. I dunno though, you could be right, I suppose only time will tell on that one. If he does have influence I'm not really seeing it yet.
Both Andersons hadn't matured in the 90s...
by chaplinatemyshoe
Nov 18th, 2008
06:06:36 PM
Joel and Ethan Coen though make a case for their best body of work being in the 90s. If you dig on Wes Anderson, it's hard to deny their influence on him.
The Dickblood Factor...
by Major Hockshtetter
Nov 18th, 2008
06:48:06 PM
I'm not a huge fan of his arbitrary pessimism that runs rampant on this site, I will say I have to agree wholeheartedly with him on the quality of this script. It's virtually unreadable. Does this equate to unFILMable or unWATCHable? Remains to be seen, I suppose. I thought the Kill Bill script was a drone to slog through and I found the film mostly brilliant. Derivative as hell, of course, but brilliant. While I feel Syd Field-ism has ruined any sort of creativity in modern screenwriting, there is something to be said for dramatic structure. This nightmarish run-on-sentence of a script screams for another draft - - I mean, the opening sequence, which could have been handled in five pages, goes fifteen, mostly because Tarantino has to show off with his off-putting descriptions that have nothing to do with what we see on screen!!!
coens in the '90's
by swanstep
Nov 18th, 2008
06:57:36 PM
Fink, Millers' Crossing, Fargo, Lebowski. Think about it.
Can we please keep Eli Roth away from a camera
by Turd Furgeson
Nov 18th, 2008
06:59:31 PM
Bad enough QT listens to that dude... Just keep him away from a camera... Please. This movie has too much awesomeness around it to have any of it tainted by ER....
"The Dickblood Factor"
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
07:10:29 PM
One of my favorite movies. Based on a book by Robert Ludlum right?
Swanstep
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
07:13:41 PM
I am thinking about it, and I agree. The Coen's were the best American (I am not arrogant enough to assume I know all the films being made) filmmakers in the 90’s, but I still say Scorsese and Tarantino were the most influential, and Spielberg the most successful (box office, critical reception and awards).
i hope
by Luke902
Nov 18th, 2008
07:38:32 PM
we're not sacrificing quality in order to get it to cannes on time.
My "problem" with Tarantino
by Continentalop
Nov 18th, 2008
08:16:57 PM
While I think of Tarantino is brilliant and skilled at filmmaking, I don’t think he is a brilliant filmmaker any longer, nor has he has not lived up to his potential, at least in my opinion. Tarantino’s first two movies where groundbreaking, original and exhilarating, and his third film, Jackie Brown, while not as innovative or exciting as his first two, felt more mature and sophisticated, and I felt like he was beginning to shake off his infant terrible title and becoming an “adult” filmmaker. However, after his last latest works (Kill Bill and Death Proof) I felt like not only did he regress, but that he also lost much of what I found enjoyable in his earlier work.

My problem with Kill Bill and Death Proof was that I felt as if I could sense Tarantino’s ego on the screen. His films seemed to drip with his own sense of his cleverness and his esoteric knowledge of cult films, and the number of references and allusions to other movies, whether they are obvious or hidden, well known or obscure, wear me down and hinder me from getting pulled into his films. Martin Scorsese is also a cinema-phile, as is Peter Bogdanovich, but I never feel the barrage of cinema references or sense a self-conscious nature about their films as I do when watching QT’s.

Quentin also seems to be obsessed with dialogue, to the point where a scene’s only point is to have someone say something clever and cool, just to prove how talented of dialogue writer he is. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with long dialogue scene, just how they are pulled off; just like there is nothing wrong with guitar and drum solos in themselves, just when and how they are done. A solo in the wrong part can ruin a song, and if they are played to often or go on to long can ruin a concert or album, even when performed by a talented musician. It’s what separates Jimmy Page from Ted Nugent, and Neil Pert from Tommy Lee. Right now Tarantino is heading down the C.C. DeMille from Poison route.

The Continentalop Factor...
by Major Hockshtetter
Nov 18th, 2008
09:23:22 PM
Excellent points all around on Tarantino's evolution/de-evolution as a filmmaker. The Bogdanovich comparison is especially astute because both had atmospheric ascentions and then both descended rather gruesomely. (Tarantino less so since none of his films ever stunk up the box office like Daisy Miller or They All Laughed...) Kill Bill beguiled me because of all its flash and hyper-retro sensabilities but at the end of the day, it, like Death Proof, is a relatively substance-free film. It does all boil down to ego. Perhaps if QT stumbles upon a bit of humility, his films will grow a bit of soul. Dialogue, especially, has become a sticky, murky tool in his shed. He was lauded early on for it but, instead of developing it as a skill, he merely flaunted it by showing off like a 10 year old kid. If he could take one page out of the Mamet or Coen book, we'd all be better for it.
Most influential director of the 90's?
by D.Vader
Nov 18th, 2008
09:33:15 PM
Sadly it may be Michael Bay. Though I think a case could be made for Wes Craven and his effect on modern horror with "Scream".
Tarantino's worst dialogue scene
by D.Vader
Nov 18th, 2008
09:42:34 PM
So help me, was that piece of shit 180 degree camera-spinning long take of the girls at the diner table in "Death Proof". He broke a Filmmaking 101 rule: if you're going to have long bits of dialogue or exposition (which is frowned upon anyway) for god's sake, make it fucking interesting. Or bore your audience to tears, which was the result.
Continentalop
by swanstep
Nov 18th, 2008
10:40:53 PM
What's influential in one sense is just what's easily copied and varied-a-tad...In that sense no contest: Bay/Bruckheimer and QT were the biggest single influences on movies in the 90's until the Matrix birthed a million clones. And similarly, Greengrass, esp. with The Bourne Supremacy, is easily the biggest new influence on 00's film-making. I guess I hold out a hope that there's another dimension of influence where what one does is almost uncopiable, and instead it inspires others by its excellence to try to be as good, and to make something just as singular: Coens, Brad Bird, M.Haneke, and a few others are my picks for being recently most influential along this other dimension. Still, I suspect we agree about almost everything...
D.Vader
by BGDAWES
Nov 18th, 2008
10:44:04 PM
Agreed about the diner table scene in "Death Proof". My buddy cracked me up walking out of the theatre discussing that scene when he said,

"There is nothing I can think of that I would dislike listening to 'less' than those women talking...I mean...I don't care about it"
Eli Roth
by BGDAWES
Nov 18th, 2008
10:49:22 PM
Also, I've already voiced my opinion about Eli Roth as a major character in this film but I feel the need to be a true talk backer and bitch...yet again.

Maybe it's not so much that I dislike Eli Roth but more about how much I enjoy seeing QT tough guy 'regluars' like Michael Madsen, Tim Roth, or Harvey Keitel act in a QT film.

The fact that this is a war movie (the Big One no less!) and that Roth is taking the place of any of the actors listed above? C'mon!

Eli, if you're reading I did honestly sincerely enjoy your Thanksgiving trailer, that is a true gem that I love and still watch on my computer since it's not on the Grindhouse DVD's (FUCK YOU WEINSTEINS!!!!!)

So hit it out of the park again with your 'film' in IB.
the dinner table scene that would never end
by crazybubba
Nov 18th, 2008
11:03:32 PM
loved death proof but thats gotta be some of QT's worst dialogue ever.
D.Vader
by unionJACKass.webs.com
Nov 18th, 2008
11:08:57 PM
Don't watch HUNGER then. There is a 1:1 scene that goes on for something like 17 minutes!! A record I think.
I much prefer Eli Roth behind the camera than in front...
by LaneMyersClassic
Nov 18th, 2008
11:58:22 PM
oh wait, no I don't! I don't prefer him.
Ennio Morricone is a GOD.
by LaneMyersClassic
Nov 19th, 2008
12:00:43 AM
There should be no things Eli or Rothian mentioned around him.
Yeah, that table scene in DP was insufferable
by caruso_stalker217
Nov 19th, 2008
02:08:00 AM
Seven fucking minutes and they didn't say one goddamn thing. The only information you get out of it is Zoe Bell always lands on her feet. And so she does. After ten minutes of rolling around on the hood of a fucking car.

Goddammit, I hate that fucking piece of shit movie.

This just in
by GilbertRSmith
Nov 19th, 2008
02:09:12 AM
After ten years of being the primary form of self-congratulation, hating on QT is no longer the best way to look like you are super hip and have higher standards than other fans. Pretentious jerkoffs are now turning to shitting on Pixar to look cool.
"What's Eli Roth doing behind the camera?"
by Lost Jarv
Nov 19th, 2008
02:48:00 AM
If the answer to that question isn't "fetching coffee" then Tarantino needs an intervention.
Fucking Tarantino
by Lost Jarv
Nov 19th, 2008
03:04:11 AM
Lost it badly. Round about half way through Kill Bill 2 I realised I was watching complete shit. I'd been fooled by Kill Bill 1 but I had a fucking epiphany. It was the Wedding rehearsal scene. Not cool. Not clever. Not interesting. All it was was an excuse for Tarantino to have Samuel L speak some horribly stilted dialogue about some of Tarantino's favourite musicians.

And as for Death Proof? Horrible execrable abortion of a movie.

AVATAR - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009!!!
by Motoko Kusanagi
Nov 19th, 2008
04:00:13 AM
Nothing else matters.
Forget Cannes! take your time and do it properly!
by zapano
Nov 19th, 2008
04:23:50 AM
It's sickening how Morricone is not allwed to do the score in his own time. This is one of the worst trends in contemporary Hollywood, rushing the scoring of the film. No wonder most scores these days are absolute shit. You'd think Tarantino would know better. And more importantly, what's this rushing to get it ready for Cannes? Who gives a shit about Cannes or any awards ceremony. If this film is any bit good, it will make a lot of money. Scorsese would spend six months to just edit a film. Tarantino is doing the whole thing six months. Aboslutely crazy for a film on such a scale.
Phew, I knew it wasn't just me.
by Lost Jarv
Nov 19th, 2008
04:54:34 AM
Periodically I give Kill Bill 2 a try thinking "it can't be as bad as I remember". And everytime I come away a bit grumpy. I think I've got battered wife syndrome about it.
Madsen was the best part of VOL. 2
by caruso_stalker217
Nov 19th, 2008
05:01:50 AM
I've never gone from liking a guy to hating a guy to liking to hating to liking a guy in a movie before. Madsen, motherfuckers.
Tarantino and dialogue...
by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for
Nov 19th, 2008
06:00:07 AM
Tarantinos dialogue has always been heightened and self-indulgent. But it worked until Deathproof. The problem with DP is that the dialogue had no reason for existing other than to be said. In all his other films, the dialogue enriched a scene that already had something going on. The scenes themselves were "about" something. All Deathproof was, was people sitting around and talking. It was filler. It was meaningless. DP was shit except for the end scene, which was pretty fucking amazing IMO. Planet Terror wasn't very good either, but it at least had the conviction to be exactly what it stated.
droid
by Lost Jarv
Nov 19th, 2008
06:06:50 AM
what about the aforementioned Kill Bill scene?

And Death Proof was shit INCLUDING the end scene. You do not make OUR Kurt cry like a bitch.

Danny Glovers Dickblood
by thefrood
Nov 19th, 2008
06:19:25 AM
Apologies for touching a nerve son. Didn't realise you were such a sensitive soul. So enlighten me then. Are you saying that even though Morricone is a phenomenally talented composer, Tarantino should not use him to score the picture because it's too predictable a choice. That instead he should choose someone else purely to be unpredictable even though it could be argued that Morricone is perfect for the job? However it could also be argued that any movie score composer could be deemed predictable, as they by nature all write music for film. How about the guy who writes the songs for High School Musical? That would be pretty unpredictable. Except for the fact that I just predicted it. Damn you Tarantino! BTW I don't give a monkeys about this film. QT lost it around Jackie Brown as far as I'm concerned.
the sam jackson scene?
by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for
Nov 19th, 2008
06:21:00 AM
to be honest i can't really remember it. haven't seen KB2 since the cinema, but can remember most of the film except for that. Maybe I've suppressed it? Like i said, IMO the end was amazing. And Kurts a champ but probably deserves to shed a tear or two after all the tears of anguish I've shed watching him in Soldier and that Elvis flick with Costner. lol
the end scene in deathproof is amazing
by zapano
Nov 19th, 2008
07:02:37 AM
however the film on the whole is crap. the dialogue is cringe worthy at best. from reservoir to kb1, he's made pure cinematic gold. Kill Bill 2 is uneven. Picking Morricone to do the music may be predictable but it's still a good idea
Morricone
by Buffalo500
Nov 19th, 2008
07:34:41 AM
Sso any film maker who uses Morricone to score their films is being predictable? Or is it just Tarantino? One of my favourite films of last year was The Unknown which Morricone scored, was the director in that case being predictable for using one of the greatest composers alive?
Agree on 'Morricone > Cannes'.
by Darkman
Nov 19th, 2008
07:43:50 AM
There are other film festivals in the world. If Tarantino shoots for Toronto, that'll be more than enough time for Morricone to do the score. To throw away an opportunity like this just for some deadline is as stupid a mistake as any director (good or bad) could make.

Also, 'bitter old mummy' guy? Eat a bag of dicks.
Most influential director of the 90's...
by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for
Nov 19th, 2008
08:28:14 AM
Craven rejuvinated horror. Tarantino spawned endless imitators. Spielberg and Cameron by incorporating seamless CGI. They were all incredibly influential. The Coens had a great decade, but none of their films ever blew up big enough to influence too greatly. But, in terms of shaping how current films look... Most influential goes to... Fincher. He paved the way for all the commercial and music video directors. Without him you may not have Bay, Jonze, Sena et al. That's just IMO. I'm sure there are others I've missed. I've purposely left out people like Scorcese and the Scotts because their influence started long before the 90's.

Gripe of the Day. Against my better judgement, I watched Eagle Eye. After that steaming load of shit and Taking Lives, DJ Caruso really needs to stop imitating Fincher. And its not even a good imitation. Its fucking terrible. It's beginning to really fucking annoy me.

droid
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
08:48:20 AM
If you are using a commercial background as training ground for directors you'd have to go back to Ridley Scott in the mid '70s.

Prior to that, directors came from television, the theater, or the new breed of film school brats.

Tarantino DID make popular to the masses
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
08:51:23 AM
the concept of non linear storytelling. I'm sure he was aping some foriegn directors (any hints?), but Pulp Fiction was a watershed film for that type of film. Let's not forget, not only his direction, but his screenplays for True Romance and Natural Born Killers in that period also.
DAMN IT!
by sonnyfern
Nov 19th, 2008
08:53:55 AM
I didn't like the script that much, the Bastards are pointless and it didn't even feel like a real movie...but a fantasy film or something. I love the first half of Deathproof, the first group of girls were cool..the second I WANTED to die, except for Bell. But Pulp Fiction is a seminal life altering film for me. I wish QT would quit fucking around and get back to real filmmaking instead of paying homages and shit...
Most influential director of all time?
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
08:56:30 AM
I'd say a combo of Eisenstein and Hitchcock. For use of montage and camerawork/editing. Was there any director prior to Hitchcock that used the POV as effectively as Hitch..?
skimn
by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for
Nov 19th, 2008
08:59:44 AM
I agree, but the topic in the posts above was 90's... And i did mention i left out the Scotts for that reason. The directors today more commonly come from a commercial/music vid background, which the success of Fincher and Seven primarily influenced. Although the Scotts come from that background, I don't think their success produced an influx of similar directors. Also, I've no doubt that Fincher is influenced by Ridley Scott, but today, I think a lot of Hollywood flicks have a look and feel more similar to Fincher than Scott, but its like a link in a chain.
droid
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
09:02:19 AM
Sorry, didn't finish reading your post before jumping in. But in the music video "art form" became popular in the '80s and matured in the '90s, then lets not forget Russell Mulcahy who bridged the music video/feature director gap.
Skimn
by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for
Nov 19th, 2008
09:06:39 AM
Thats true, I haven't seen it for a long time but I remember Highlander essentially being a one long Queen music video.
most influential director of all time is George Lucas....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 19th, 2008
09:46:50 AM
...admit it. If it weren't for him, the film industry would be much different.
QT's 90's films had a bigger impact on film
by Flip63Hole
Nov 19th, 2008
10:00:58 AM
than Spielberg making two very personal (and incredible) films. The effects Pulp Fiction has had on movies can still be seen...
what is this magical effect Pulp Fiction had on films?
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 19th, 2008
10:15:49 AM
the concept of non linear storytelling
by Samuel Fulmer
Nov 19th, 2008
10:25:07 AM
Citizen Kane (and much of Orson Welles directoral output) The Killing, Last Year at Marienbad, Wild at Heart (which True Romance seems greatly influenced by in terms of plot and tone), Point Blank, Raising Cain, Godfather PT. II, Bad Timing, JFK, The Doors, Hiroshima Mon Amour, off the top of my head.
Danny
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
10:42:21 AM
I'd say Lucas and Spielberg are the most influential business-wise. They made the modern blockbuster the formula that is the template for today. Artistically, I'd stick with my originals.
Re: Magical effect of Pulp
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
10:44:13 AM
It made psuedo hip geeks think they could write and direct.
Mr Zeddemore
by zapano
Nov 19th, 2008
11:07:09 AM
You're right, Kurt's breakdown is not logical and as far as I can remember it was Kurt who improvised the "wah" scene and Tarantino went with it. what i'm really referring to is the car chase, which was great old school filmaking that gave me a rush of adrenaline. The rest of the film can be thrown in the bin imho.
Two most influential of the 90's
by Samuel Fulmer
Nov 19th, 2008
11:34:34 AM
I'd say Brian De Palma and Martin Scorsese had the most influence on the important directors of the 1990's. De Palma definitly with his use of camera (which if you watch Fincher/PTA/Tarantino and then De Palma films from the late 70's through the 80's you see the connection), and Scorsese with his use of violence and gritty character studies. With the exception of Goodfellas, I'm basing these directors influence on the 90's generation based on their pre-90's work.
It's hard to argue against Lucas
by Lost Jarv
Nov 19th, 2008
11:43:28 AM
even if he has been rubbish for yonks.
Lucas/Spielberg 90's influence equals
by Samuel Fulmer
Nov 19th, 2008
11:48:25 AM
Every event/Special effects film of the era. Really even now if you think about it.
How about most influential filmmaking device
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
11:59:27 AM
Look at DePalma, Scorsese, Anderson..and on and on. What would they do without the Stedicam????
Best/Most Influential in the 90’s
by Continentalop
Nov 19th, 2008
12:06:33 PM
Ok, this is always going to be a hard thing to figure out. And everyone will have their own list, but I actually break it down into four categories:

Those who produced the best body of work during the decade: The Coen brothers, Kieslowski, Abbas Kiarostami, Kar Wai Wong.

Those who were the most successful (box office, critical reception and awards): Spielberg, Cameron. Roberto Benigni

Those whose films influenced the grammar of other filmmakers during the decade: Scorsese, Tarantino, Lars von Trier,

Those who influenced the aethstetics of films being made: The Wachowski brothers, John Woo, Michael Bay, John Woo

Of course this is in an incomplete list, and there is going to be overlap, but you get the idea.

But that brings up my choices for “most influential”, Martin Scorsese. I base it really on only one film GoodFellas, which as I said before had a huge impact on 90’s filmmaking. A friend of mine once said that Tarantino took Goddard and brought him to the masses; well Scorsese took Truffaut and took him to the masses. Like Jules and Jim, it was an inventive encyclopedia of the language of cinema that incorporated freeze frames, photographic stills, panning shots, dolly shots, hand held shots, voice over narration, non-linear story-telling, use of source and period music instead of a score, and creative editing. Everything in it had been done before, but not with such vitality and energy. Or with such violence.

And its affect could be felt overnight. Look at film editing after that movie. Every movie was now being cut at the same pace as Thelma Schoonmaker did the final real in GoodFella, faster, quicker, more energetic. Continuity became less important than emotion. Camera and motion tricks were no longer necessary for only “big” scenes but could work for smaller ones as well: the dolly zoom didn’t have to be used just for big reactions, but could be used for a scene at a diner café; slow motion wasn’t just used for a big explosion or action scene, but now could be used for something as simple as opening a door or smoking a cigarette at a bar.

The other thing this movie did, along with the work of Tarantino, was push the idea that films don’t have to play linearly, and that was done with just one scene, the killing of Billy Batts in the beginning of the film (which took place in the middle of the story). I know other films and other directors used non-linear storytelling first, but it was Scorsese and Tarantino who pushed it to the mainstream of Hollywood and allowed it to be accepted by the audiences.

Finally, lets look at how many movies were directly influenced by it, not even counting the mafia ones: Menace II Society, Private Parts, SLC Punk, Boogie Nights, Amongst Friends, Blow, Fight Club. All of these films style, aesthetics and/or story structure are based in a large part on GoodFellas. I mean, if you want to see the influence of Scorsese and GoodFellas, you don’t get much of a better argument than that Howard Stern’s Private Parts, a comedy biopic, had a lot of its style and structure based on GoodFellas.

Cont
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
12:19:28 PM
Benigni ?? I enjoyed your post, but Benigni? I wish I could erase the memory of the man from my mind...
Skimn
by Continentalop
Nov 19th, 2008
12:22:38 PM
Benigni was under most successful category because his films garner critical praise, good box office and won awards. Success is not always fair. Sometimes those who are most successful are the least deserving.

Look at Donald Trump and Paris Hilton.

Yea
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
12:26:17 PM
can't deny the success Benigni had with Life Is Beautiful. Wasn't it the most successful foriegn film in the US prior to Crouching Tiger?
I would probably go with Wachowskis.....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 19th, 2008
12:48:33 PM
...and Spielberg. You can deny it all you want, but CG technology and the style with which action effects are executed has driven the sort of films we see today. Obviously there were much different films being made in the 70s and 80s when this technology was not yet available. We would never have had this rush of comic films if it weren't for the groundbreaking effects of Jurassic Park, and the groundbreaking action scenes/effects of The Matrix. I think almost every big Summer movie for a long long time, owes a ton to these two.
Tarantino fellates Eli Roth!!!
by MANZILLA
Nov 19th, 2008
12:51:07 PM
and AICN is there to report!
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
by Continentalop
Nov 19th, 2008
01:04:56 PM
While taking nothing away from Spielberg and the Wachowskis, the only thing that prevents me from listing them as the most influential is that their work really depends on a large canvass. They pretty much revolutionized the big blockbusters only, and it was the tent pole movies they influenced (unless you are Uwe Boll who thinks Bullet-time is a good thing to have in a low budget action-horror film). While these types of movies are popular, only about a dozen are made each year. Scorsese, however, influenced big, small, little, independent, foreign...you name it. So just for that reason I have to give Scorsese the edge.
LEARN TO SPELL!!!
by Daniel_Plainview
Nov 19th, 2008
01:08:47 PM
Inglourious Basterds. C'mon!! Yous should know this!!!
Danny
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
01:54:19 PM
if you want to say CGI has been the most influential advancement in movies since the '90s, I would put Cameron in front of the Wachowskis for being at the forefront of CGI. From the waterpod in The Abyss and T2, Cameron has been spearheading CGI and pushing effects houses (ILM particularly) to break new barriers. John Knoll, co-creator of Photoshop, and one of the key figures in ILM's CGI house, has said without Cameron, we wouldn't be where we are today. And Cont, on a technical level I'd say DGDB's got a point. Nowadays someone with a good camcorder and software can produce things unthought of years ago. What was that short film made about the airliner forced to land on a freeway a few years back? CGI has freed the masses to "film" whatever their imagination can come up with, along with the big studios.
skimn and Continentalop
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Nov 19th, 2008
02:12:04 PM
Good points both of you. I think we're all right.

And I think CG/Digital/HD/Avid/Final Cut all that sort of digital revolution shit are the most important advancements in filmmaking in the past 25 years. Anyone named the most important filmmaker would have something to do with this movement. Whether I like it or not-- digital technology has changed the film industry forever. And sorry Quentin, but you had nothing to do with this.

DG, skimn & conti
by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for
Nov 19th, 2008
02:28:56 PM
I would weigh in on this, but you've all pretty much summed it up. Good to read an intelligent discussion where no ones calling each other cocks and fags.
TO ALL YOU COCKS AND FAGS
by Continentalop
Nov 19th, 2008
02:58:44 PM
I agree with DANNYGLOVERS DICKBLOOD, OBE, that the digital revolution might have been the most important advancement. That is why I am nominating Daniel Myrrick and Eduardo Sanchez, the directors of the Blair Witch Project, as two of the most influential filmmakers of that decade. While their film was glitzy or flashy, it changed the way independent movies are viewed by the studios and marketed. They now could see the huge profit potentials for such films.

Plus, it created an avalanche of imitators shooting a bad independent movie just on some cheap camera. Everyone saw that you could make get recognized by making some ultra-low budget flick. Unfortunately, they all buried themselves under a barrage of DVD and VHS sent to the Sundance Film Festival, so only a few, some talented and some not, could separate themselves from this overload of cheapness and crappy looking movies.

Eli Roth Might Be A Douche, But HOSTEL Was Great
by LaserPants
Nov 19th, 2008
05:41:02 PM
Sorry, but alot of the Eli Roth bashing sounds like sour grapes from people who desperately want to make their own films but never will. He does have a douchebag personality, but I really, truly, honestly, thought HOSTEL was pretty fucking awesome as far as exploitation horror cinema goes. I really liked part 2 as well, though it wasn't as good as the first one...
Blair Witch Project? What About Cannibal Holocaust
by LaserPants
Nov 19th, 2008
05:47:40 PM
It came about 20 years before Blair Witch and used the same conceit. The BWP people weren't groundbreaking in terms of filmmaking, they were ground breaking in terms of marketing -- they were one of the first to generate a huge buzz through online viral marketing.
I'm sorry I can't let LaserPants get the last word in
by skimn
Nov 19th, 2008
05:48:09 PM
with his constant praising of Hostel 1 and 2. No, its not sour grapes. Its recognizing the man is a One Trick Pony, and a weak one at that.
LaserPants
by Continentalop
Nov 19th, 2008
06:37:41 PM
Cannibal Holocaust might have been first, but it didn't have the impact that Blair Witch Project did. I am not saying who is the real groundbreaker here, or who is the more original artist. I am merely stately that the makers of the Blair Witch Project had a huge impact on the film industry and moviemaking. Whenever anyone makes a cheap, fake horror documentary, I am sure they are more influenced by the Blair WItch (and its massive returns) than they are by Cannibal Holocaust.
Hostel was awful and worthless
by Lost Jarv
Nov 20th, 2008
05:51:53 AM
even for torture porn.

Roth is a hack

And whats eli roth doing behind the camera?
by lucky slevin
Nov 20th, 2008
01:24:26 PM
Better stuff than you ass clowns. you all are very quick to give someone a label of being untalented and then everyone suddenly wants to be a part of gang banging. you all like to gang rape children i guess is what im getting at
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