Other than that I'm really looking forward to finally getting a good feel about how this movie might turn out.

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If you wanna see what Avatar 3-D CG *might* look like, check out AMD Cinema 2.0 demonstration at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XnihU4zCXe8 (Part 1) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =x5yVjHaJ0PI (Part 2) using stacks of graphic accelerator cards to render every tiny pixel of a photorealistic human figure. Looks cool, though James Cameron's version could be astoundingly life-like in leaps of petaflop for every pixel as advanced computer graphic technology allows by next summer. Render 'em one by one frame in the large warehouse packed with monolith towers of rendering bots, baby!

Forget Watchmen, forget Star Trek... AVATAR is 2009.

Avatar's U.S.P. is it's 3D. Sorry but anyone who thinks there is going to be a completely 100% photorealistic Alien World is probably going to be disappointed.

What they WILL likely see is a C.G. (no doubt extremely well done but not revolutionary) Alien World in 3D and THAT is the difference. The 3D not the effects themselves. I've seen enough of Avatar design concepts to realise he's got some nice bioluminescent Aliens but he had some nice Bioluminescent Aliens in the Abyss.

Cameron had best dial the hype DOWN or have a mindblowing trailer.

Because if Avatar is merely a showcase for New (but welcome) 3D technology then it's in trouble. It needs to be FIRST and FOREMOST a fucking amazing Movie. Until I see otherwise a tech demo simply isn't enough.

Just watch and wait.

george lucas and spielberg have the latest most updated sfx technology at their disposals whenever they want to make a film, and what do we have??? jar jar and vine swinging shia.

it's NOT how cool the sfx tech will be, it's about WHO the man behind the wheel guiding the tech is.

semi truck jumping off the road and onto the water duct, ripley in loader calling the queen "bitch", one bullet shatters t1000 into million pieces, arnold standing still from night to daylight, arnold trying to get his horse off the a 50 story building and onto a pool down below, arnold in harrier jet, heck, arnold in every second of cameron's movies!

this guy is supercool. and i have absolutely no doubt in the 12 years hiatus he has a whooole bag of cool to share with us. dickblood and whiny will be the first to suck cameron's... toe, comes next year.

diehard4 lifted the bridge scene from end of true lies & t-800 bullet barraging t-1000 while he's in driver's seat. ditto the matrix from with the harrier jet and bridge scene(replace lee curtis & arnold with morpheus & neo). the concept of aliens vs marines have been copied to death. avp lifted that 'round smooth cut on steels caused by heatbeam' idea from t800's 1st appearance in t2. and i'm sure some of you notice some other scenes in other films. meanwhile, remind me of one scene cameron has lifted from another movie.

this guy is much imitated and borrow from no one. that is exactly why avatar will f*ck you eyeballs.

cool. you must have thought t2 not exciting either then since it has cgi(new tech then) and features linda hamilton. what a bland ugly actress and what a stupid silly new sfx, right? liquid metal robot and the chick from beauty & the beast tv series, come the fuck on!

So Motoko (or whoever came up with that saying in the first place) is wrong.

you only wish other sci-fi/action films have these kind of roles for women.

And ***SPOILER*** I KNOW the basic plot for Avatar and it isn't radically new I'm afraid. Think Apocalypto with Aliens and you're not too far off. So the plot alone won't make it amazing and the Director won't automatically make it amazing (*cough* Lucas, Spielberg *cough*) and finally the Tech won't automatically make it amazing. The Tech might make it Startling if the 3D is very good but it's not enough by itself.

Cameron HAS to return to Aliens T2 form on this one. The costs have and will be staggering and it needs to be a genuine rock solid incredible Movie that smashes at the Box Office. Not a curiosity amusement park ride. And that's not guaranteed but it IS possible.

I remain hopefull no more than that. But if there is nothing astonishing from the actual Movie on this upcoming trailer, merely a 4 minute "infomercial" on the 3D, then it's not a good sign.

It COULD be amazing but there are no guarantees and the Hype is nothing but blind faith in Cameron and the Technology until we see some of the actual Movie itself to judge how fucked our eyeballs may or may not be.

Because if all we hear for months and months and months is "no footage!" because it can't be appreciated in anything other than 3D then it's pretty fucking clear the Movie is in trouble and can't stand alone without the 3D Tech propping it up.

@G100: no guarantee the script you read is the one used to shoot. no guarantee that a script that read bad translate into worse movie(batman begins leaked script is reviewed unfavorably in the net). and lastly, pardon me if i may be so frank since we dont know each other, but i trust cameron's taste in a good script than in yours. ;) and yes, my faiht is blind on this one, but for good reason.

@fisheater: he f*ck 2 actresses and divorced just one. what's your point? you want to talk about his works or his personal life? are you a movie buff or a tabloid junkie?

I am looking forward to Avatar because it sounds like an Ursula K. Le Guin novel and the 3D will I think help immerse you in the story similar to the journey of Sam Worthington's character Jake.

And you'll pardon me but I saw what happened to Lucas and Spielberg lately despite some of the greatest back catalogue in Movies and it WASN'T pretty. So I won't be quite so certain Cameron will automatically make another Aliens until I see far more proof.

My point about the 3D Tech is that, by itself, it isn't enough. Not that it's necessarily a gimmick. (after all the 3D could work be astounding and Avatar could still be a Mediocre Movie.)

This HAS to be all about the story and Movie first. The Tech MUST be a servant NOT the master. Pixar's managed to do that pretty well so it's not impossible.

And until I see images then all this talk of photoreal C.G. has been heard for fucking years and remains talk. We aren't talking about a few Dinosaurs or creatures placed into real world footage, we're talking about an ENTIRE WORLD in C.G. and an Alien World at that. Talk is cheap but if the trailer has proof I'll begin to believe some of this ferocious Hype.

the details is more important than plot. more importantly this guy knows story structure. whether you like the plot of his weaker films or not, the structure is always tight. this is not something you can always say about spielberg's and lucas's films. the story is what i bank the most for in avatar. sure, they can leak you images, phot-real CG, but without context, wihtout seeing it in motion on the big screen, what's the point? anything look like ass in youtube size screen.

I already made the point that the Story is one that is heavily dependent on the Director's skill for it's success or failure.

Though If you really think Cameron can do no wrong then there is not much point engaging further as by that definition no matter what anyone else may think of Avatar if you maintain a "Cameron can do no wrong" view then Avatar by that very definition will be another of Cameron's triumphs in your eyes regardless of how it is seen objectively by the rest of the world.

I'll wait till I see proof or something approaching proof. Proof not Hype. Not talk. Not past glories.

And far from being hostile to the idea I think it's about fucking time someone had the balls to do a REAL Alien planet Movie so no-one will be happier than me if he succeeds.

But! I repeat, BUT fdor those who do not think Cameron incapable of error it's NOT a certainty that Cameron is an unstoppable force of Cinema anymore than Lucas was after SW.

We'll see, won't we ?

to which you later add "and Avatar is topical, superbly executed, and consistent with Cameron's past works in these regards"

such a response means you've either seen Avatar to be able to give me such bold statements, or you're just blindly kissing Cameron's ass without really knowing anything about Avatar.

I know the man's resume. It is filled with some great movies, a few overrated ones, and a giant overblown piece of shit by the name of Titanic. But I did like the Dark Angel series that he kinda came up with and let others turn into an enjoyable but ultimately silly show.

I'm not saying Avatar wont be a great, groundbreaking movie. I hope it is. But it could also fail. What I'm saying we've heard many times before about how amazing something will be, only to have it be a huge letdown.

Remember Phantom Menance? Hype wasn't the new technology to make realistic and highly lush detailed worlds, but the the Saga it was suppsoed to tell. Only time wil ltell if JC does a Lucas, but then, Lucas been resting on his SW laurels while James has done original one offs like True Lies and Titanic.

And ricalite... Avatar may not be new Star Wars... but know what, new Star Wars *sucked* big time. How many kids of today are into Star Wars like the ones who were when originals came out?

More than anything else.. as many pointed out, how many original non-sequel, non-comic or TV or book based movies are you looking forward to? Original Oscar baits are also hard to come by, most are adaptations nowadays. Am hyped to see an original creative work, technology... they won't even have an I-max where I'll see it, so won't matter to me.

i'm not saying he can't do no wrong, just that so far... he has not. even his weaker films are head and shoulder stronger than other big name directors' recent outings. that alone gives me reason to believe.

you want to see proof? like what, a promo shot? an alien world's design? without context anything is meaningless. the only solid proof will be the finished film itself.

I really do.

Who the fuck CARES ENOUGH TO DO THAT?

Can't wait for AVATAR. It will rock... despite having the worst studio in the world for sci-fi behind it. I saw that Fox logo and thought:

"Aw HEEEELLLLL NAAAAWW..."

Actually neither do many of the posters here who seem to think it is going to be another CG movie. This is going to seamlessly blend and combine a few different technologies in order to create something new...not to mention the augmentaion of the very theatres we see it in.

True Lies hold up great and I forgot how well Cameron does action. However edits his action scenes is impeccable.

Sounds like folks are concentrating too much on what may or may not be the quality of the CGI versus what Cameron intends to do with it. Given the guy's penchant for huge set pieces and so forth, I'm willing to bet we'll see something surprising.

Nobody's said that this film is guaranteed to be great, but considering the pedigree and things being promised, NOT having good expectations would be strange and not a little joyless.

Oh, and personal taste has TONS to do with it. If you think Aliens sucks, then there is no fucking way Cameron's going to satisfy you.

I've gone on record? Oh fuck off. I'll go on record saying I hope you drop dead because everything that comes out of your mouth is poisonous sludge.

I'm pointing out the hype of this movie, and that no CG will ever live up to this degree of hype. Explain to me how the fuck that has anything to do with personal tastes. I didn't say anything about this movie not being good so fuck off with that bullshit and try to your hardest to post one fucking time without putting words in my mouth.

I love how you just have to include my opinion that Aliens is shit or TPM is better than ANH, in EVERY FUCKING POST. Pathetic. Grow the fuck up. It does nothing for me. Let me reiterate. I CAN GIVE A FUCK WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF MY OPINIONS ON FILMS.

I'm not concerned with that bullshit. This isn't the 3rd grade.

Cunt.

For fuck's sake, do some of you still not understand this?

I think that Avatar stands every chance of being overhyped but still very good. Sort of like TDK was.

I believe we're seeing the next stage in plant evolution- a sort of marketing whore triffid. Scary.

If you can't stand the heat of TB, then fuck right off. Now, commence telling me to gargle your piss or deliver some other tired, urine-fixated insult.

I can go on with this, but Oscar wins are not necessarily a guide to quality.

Both were greener than that big cunt that smashes things and both of them were bushier than a 70's porn star's minge.

Long love MNG!

Remember kids - Vote Nice. Vote MNG.

MNG '08
- "He's gonna get us all laid!"

That's how different this movie will be. You won't be wearing those big black Real D polarized nerd glasses. These will be tight fitting and will cover the sides. This will keep your eyes from popping out of your fucking head and a chin strap to keep your jaw from hitting the floor.

Your senses will feel like they were beast fucked from Cameron's cinematic cock.

I want someone to video tape people walking out of the IMAX 3D version and posting it on line. They're all gonna be basket cases. They will look like zombies. They won't even be able to drive home.

Nobody gets a free fucking ride. Until ANY poster can tell me they have SEEN even a frame of Avatar this is still all just so much amusing hype.

For the record I haven't said it will be shit, mediocre, pretty good or awesome. BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DON'T FUCKING KNOW YET.

I HOPE it will be amazing but I'm not stupid enough to be certain about it without any proof.

"But he's made some great Movies in the past ?" Yeah, SOME. But if you think Titanic was worth 11 Oscars and it's only one or two people who thought it was ludicrously overrated then you truly are well ensconsed in a bubble of Cameron worship. (The Brits actually had a poll which voted it the WORST Movie of all time but what would they know about period drama ?) But what about Aliens ? Yeah, no question one of the truly great science fiction Movies ever made. But take away the Giger design and Stan Winston and what do you have ? Not to mention the fact that it's ALIEN that is the most groundbreaking and gamechanging Moviewise. Which brings me too...

"You just don't understand the Technology or what Cameron intends, this isn't just a C.G. Movie."

Yeah right. Clearly, having reservations means you couldn't possibly grasp that Cameron is trying to introduce a paradigm shift that links into the whole idea of Avatar. To take the viewer of the Movie INto another level of Movie experience by plunging the viewer into the 3D world of the Aliens thus enabling a completely new level of immersion and (tying in with the plot of the Movie) EMPATHY with the Aliens. And having the IMPACT of a New Alien World again truly floor the viewer by this transition into an equally new (you could say "alien") 3D experience for the average Moviegoer.

It's the same paradigm shift that Wizard of Oz went for by switching to color for Oz. The same paradigm shift that some very clever plot twists achieve (6th sense,usual suspects etc.) causing a re-evaluation of all that has gone before. The same paradigm shift that you see in such beautifull little Movies like "The Navigator" when they emerge from 14th century England into the 20th Century (and we are shocked into viewing our current world in a hugely different light) And the same paradigm shift that is achieved in Apocalypto (which is also why I fucking mentioned it) when we see the Conquistadors as something truly startling (like that natives do) after being immersed in a culture that is Historically totally alien to us.

So thanks for the patronizing bullshit, nut no thanks. I know full well what Cameron is TRYING to do and I genuinely admire not only the fact that this is an original Movie but the IDEA behind this Movie and the PURPOSE of the Technology of the 3D.

Problem is it's going to live or die on it's C.G. and design. Yeah, I of course know it isn't a wholly C.G. Movie and I know the radical new way the Movie has been shot to include the human actors and director in a fully immersive 3D C.G. World along with the great pains he seems to be taking to ground the C.G. in "physical" actions and scenes. But there is unquestionably a HUGE amount of C.G. in this Movie.

So that C.G. is going to have to blow people away. It's going to have to be fucking amazong. No two ways about that.

IF (worst case scenario) Avatar ends up looking like a far higher more detailed rendering of Abyss type Aliens with a few Alien plants and trees then it's only the 3D Tech that will be fucking anyones eyeballs briefly NOT the Movie.

BUT if Cameron has truly taken on the task of an ENTIRE Alien World with living breathing Aliens that are more lifelike than anything we have ever seen before AND he pulls it off with a Movie that achieves it's paradigm shift Technically and Emotionally then I'lll be the first to lavish gushing praise on the guy and conider my eyeballs AND mind well and truly fucked.

So again despite ALL the Hype evident her and despite all the Cameron worship, I'll wait till I see PROOF before I get so amusingly excitable about Avatar. Not words. Proof.

WHY? Because it might suck horse cock. The characters might be blah, that "who gives a shit" feeling. That's not what I'm talking about. I personally think the story will be strong, not fantastic but it's the presentation that's going to make to creme your pants.

I'm confident that the photo realistic performance capture in HD 3D will be like nothing seen before. Even JC said early on that he didn't know how good the movie would be but that you would see some truly mind blowing things on screen.

JC is giving us 2 things and trying to keep cinema from tanking. A new fresh original story, a space epic which are few and between. Sunshine was blah!, Also creating hardware and techniques for filming movies that will pave the way for others. This movie is and will continue to break down doors. This is a serious kick to the sack for home theaters. You will not be able to come close to the IMAX 3D experience at home. I don't care what kind of set up you have. 3D will arrive at home but not for a while and to where it's affordable.

The postings and taglines should read:

Avatar - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009.

Many people are clearly basing a lot of this faith in Avatar in the Technology deployed. My repsponse being the Technology HAS to include mindblowing C.G. if the Technology is truly the gamechanger here. So where is it ?

I've already said (twice I think) the basic plot outline (story) COULD be very good indeed IF handled correctly but it could also topple into a fairly trite "human exploitation" black and white morality tale if Cameron is not carefull.

But lets face it we know far, FAR less about how the characters are portrayed and minutia of the plot than we do about the Technology. Yet some here are making some pretty fucking incredible and certain predictions for Avatar regardless.

I cetainly don't think Titanic is the worst Movie of all time myself, however it's up there as one of the most overrated in my book and that's hardly an unusual opinion either.

I don't mind speculation as I have added some myself along with what seems (to me anyway) to be Camerons aim for all this technology but we REALLY don't know a fucking thing about this yet. One or two concept sketches and a script treatment (that may or may not be accurate) ain't enough for this level of Hype and certaintly and blind faith in my book.

But we'll see, won't we.

his doesn't look like that. He said that. I'm sure they are somewhat similar.

What do you mean by where is it?

The Day the Earth Stood Still could show a teaser but Earth/Still is not 3D. Bloodly Valentine will be 3D. And some of these might not be IMAX. So the they will have to pick which movie to place it with to really capture a true taste for it in IMAX 3D. I highly doubt that they are going to give you glasses just for a trailer, if the movie is 2D.

What Cameron is shooting for here is to widen the parameters...to actually fuck with the medium itself and expand the medium a little wider.

It's more akin to when IMAX first came out...it was about advancing the technology in order to serve the story better.

that without a good story it's just eye candy, but JC is smarter then that. Look at the colorful characters and dialogue in Aliens and The Abyss.

Everything I've read including the 80 page treatment that he said he has modified anyways, points to a killer story. I have issues but they are most about what will the world be like in 100 years, when this story takes place. I don't think we'll be disappointed. I think it include a love story, this could go either way. Totally chesseball sap fest, or totally cool with a lot of heart, which will play to the motive for Jake to fight for the Nav'i. There's no reason to believe that this movie will have any less of a story then any other JC film. Maybe even more so.

I've already outlined how Avatar is most likely to try and align the technical paradigm shift with the story. Whether he succeeds or not depends on his skill with the story and characters.

And "where is it ?" refers to the C.G (or C.G.I) (or indeed ANYTHING of the actuall Movie) Because 3D or not it's still going to have to be mindblowing even when viewed in the 2D format. Sure it's going to have less impact than it's true 3D form but weak 3 Dimensional C.G. is still weak C.G. and likewise mindblowing 3D C.G. will still be be fairly easy to spot as amazing when viewed in the 2D form.

These are things that transcend any storytelling devices (no matter how cool) seen in Sixth Sense or Apocalypto.

So yeah, bring on the 3D by all means. But this is a HUGE opportunity to USE the 3D in concert with the storytelling to make the impact THAT much greater (since the 3D tech is almost completely new to the general public) and it's why Cameron is doing Avatar and not any other Movie first in the format. (IMO)

True Lies did weave from cool Bond stuff, to weak comedy (I'd call it Bill Paxtons worse role in his career), to good comedy, to doomsday thriller, romantic comedy, hostage drama and back again. But with all the current talk of Bond/Bourne fight scenes, look at the men's room fight in True Lies. It is brilliant. And Jamie Lee in a little black dress? Priceless.

I agree with the poster that said Cameron puts the bucks on the screen. And he is always pushing the envelope in tech and effects. CGI wouldn't be where it is today without The Abyss and T2 paving the way.

This is really close, though.

1) I love "Titanic." I watched the DVD for the first time in twelve years a week ago, and after all the shit I've seen people piling on it, I was stunned by how moved I was by the film. Glad it's still number one all time.

2) Everyone is focused on the 3D eye-fucking that might happen with "Avatar." This works for me, because no one's discussing the story. A trailer will arrive, I have no doubt, but I'm more interested in the drama than the visuals. Am I going to be moved and floored by Cameron's story?

I hope so.

Two poiNts:

Two fucking poiNts, goddammit!

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In other news, I welcome the comeback of talkbacker "TOTAL_FUCKING_DESTRUCTION". I love you, man!

to the theater executives. He will be the leader for them in battling a sagging industry. It doesn't matter that Avatar will or will not be a fantastically told story. It'll be the movie to set the stage for other film makers to go ok, lets do this. It's a perfect movie to show and push the limits of what can be done. And is the project JC wants to see on screen. Not some cookie cutter, formulaic, Roland Emmerich bore flic.

JC will be the hero like Goldblum was in ID4. No one knew how to combat the aliens. Well no one knows how to compete with home theater and piracy. JC does. So even if this type of story doesn't attract the masses and doesn't make billions, it'll attract the entire film industry. And that's more important. Because a large percentage of movies in the near future will have dazzling presentations like Avatar that home theaters can't deliver. Avatar will coast on the techno side at the Oscars and maybe in other catagories, like editing, sound, score (James Horner I hope), screenplay, director, acting etc. And maybe even Avatar will create a new category at the Oscars . And the "best eyeball fuck" goes to...Avatar.

Eventually home theater will catch on with the whole 3D thing. It's already out there. There's just not enough material and consumer sales for a production company to release it's movie in 3D. Like Monster House, Journey/Earth, or U2-3D.

They'll have to sell a Blu-Ray 3D player. That's if by then Blu-Ray is the leading format. Something new is always around the corner. So it'll be a awhile for it to all come together.

My Bloody Valentine 3-D (January 16, 2009)

Bolt is to early and Avatar's rating doesn't match. Avatar is probably PG-13 but could be R.

More then likely there'll be a 3D trailer with Harry Potter in July. Some of Potters scenes are in 3D. There are some other movies without release dates yet. And others might change. Whatever movie it pops up with, they'll be a crowd for it.