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The Harrison Ford U.S. Immigration Drama, CROSSING OVER has a trailer!

First, Second and Third by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Nov 13th, 2008 05:46:28 AM

All The Posters who Post below this by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Nov 13th, 2008 05:47:34 AM
Love Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and George Lucas.
See by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Nov 13th, 2008 05:48:20 AM
3- Ok enough of my trolling
All The Posters who Posted above this by Finding Forrestal	Nov 13th, 2008 05:51:01 AM
Love the taste of cock.
ford should aim for the illusive oscar!!! by hesky75	Nov 13th, 2008 05:51:23 AM
and make one more indy with a better story while he still can ...... cause he still got the shit !!
Sure, after I make Your Mom brush her Teeth First by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Nov 13th, 2008 05:52:15 AM
Minty fresh baby!
Nice "Monster Squad" handle, BTW. by Finding Forrestal	Nov 13th, 2008 05:53:15 AM
You, sir, have nards.
It's a well made trailer by Gungan Slayer	Nov 13th, 2008 05:56:24 AM
It's about damn TWC releases info on this film. The trailer is well made, and it does make this project seem more interesting. I think Ford can really knock this one out of the park. Comparisons to "Crash," however, are surely to follow.
So Fords Phoning in Jack Ryan again, huh.. by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Nov 13th, 2008 05:59:05 AM
Needs more Joe Pesci
Will Ford ever act with a Fridge again? by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Nov 13th, 2008 06:04:31 AM

Harry posts news late,so i'll post this first: by chuffsterUK	Nov 13th, 2008 06:24:57 AM

Looks solid by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 13th, 2008 06:25:15 AM
Nice to see Ford in a proper adult film again.
by chuffsterUK	Nov 13th, 2008 06:25:26 AM
If you hang around Hollywood long enough, you learn not to believe everything you read in the trades. Still, it was pretty exciting to see the news this week that the indefatigable producer Avi Lerner had wooed Brett Ratner into directing Lerner's upcoming remake of "Conan," the iconic 1982 film that helped launch Arnold Schwarzenegger's long run as a Hollywood action hero. According to the original Hollywood Reporter headline, Ratner had committed to the project, though its latest version was a bit more circumspect, saying he was in "final negotiations" to do the film after working with the screenwriters, who were doing a quick polish to "incorporate" some of Ratner's ideas. The blogosphere wasn't quite so discerning, with some Web outlets simply saying that Ratner was "officially directing" the film. One of Hollywood's most persuasive salesman, Lerner told me this morning that Ratner was the perfect director. "He has the passion and feeling for this project--he even wrote a story about Conan when he was 10 years old," Lerner explained. "He understands the character, he analyzed the script really well. He knows how to make this a really big movie. I like his childlike enthusiasm--he almost sees these movies as wonderful toys. What can I say, he's a nice, likable Jewish boy." Lerner acknowledged that even though he sent out a press release announcing Ratner's involvement with the project, the deal wasn't actually done. "We still have a few obstacles," he said. "Brett is only committed if we agree on a budget, on how to do the special effects and exactly where we'd shoot the film." Lerner has a studio in Bulgaria, so he'd like to shoot most of the movie there, with some exterior work in China. But is Ratner actually committed to doing the film? In two words: Not really. When I called him today, he sounded somewhat agitated, unhappy that news of his negotiations with Lerner had surfaced, especially since he is extremely close to getting a green light from Paramount to make "Beverly Hills Cop 4." "Let me make this very clear," he told me. "I am not doing 'Conan' now. This is totally premature. For now, 'Conan' is only a development deal. I have a deal at Paramount and I'm doing 'Beverly Hills Cop' first, no matter what. Avi shouldn't be telling you or anyone else in the press what I'm doing." So what happened here? And how did Avi get the rights to "Conan" in the first place? Keep reading: The timing of Lerner's press release is revealing, since it surfaced during the annual American Film Market here in Los Angeles, a colorful film-sales carnival where international producers like Lerner do much of their overall business. Lerner was probably eager to make a splash with the news that such a high-profile project was moving ahead with an A-list director attached. Lerner said as much in his press release, boasting "this is a coup for Millennium Films and proves that our choice of projects and material is attracting much higher-profile directors and actors." It's true that landing the rights to "Conan" is a huge coup for Lerner. Originally produced by Dino De Laurentiis, the film had spent years in development at Warners, but never came to fruition. After Warners let the rights go, they ended up in the hands of Paradox Entertainment, a Swedish company that sold the rights to Lerner about 15 months ago. Lerner paid $2.5 million, despite stiff competition. "Everyone was after it, from New Line to Paramount to Universal," he says. "But we acted quicker. The studios always say they need a committee to discuss the decision and then run the numbers. With us, it's very simple. I talk to my partner, Danny Dimbort, and then I say yes." Lerner recently made a deal with Lionsgate to be his partner and distribute the picture, which he says will start production next summer. Lionsgate also distributed the recent "Rambo" installment, which Lerner produced. Lerner knows that Paramount isn't happy about his announcing Ratner's involvement in the project. "They sent me a letter, saying how could I do such a thing," he told me. "Hey, it's a free world. It'll be Brett's decision. I'm not putting a gun to his head." My gut feeling is that if "Beverly Hills Cop 4" comes together soon, Ratner will stay on board. "Conan" hasn't even been cast yet. With "BHC4," Ratner knows he gets to work with a real movie star--Eddie Murphy--and could have a big financial upside if he has a hit. If Lerner isn't willing to wait until Ratner is free again, he'll go hunting for another hot director. When I asked Lerner who he was hoping to get to play Conan, he said, "To be honest, we're looking for a younger Arnold Schwarzenegger, someone we could sign to a three- or four-picture deal, because I see this as a real long-term franchise." Did he ever approach the governor about the part? "I saw Arnold in Las Vegas at the premiere of 'Rambo,' " Lerner says. "He said, 'Wait two years for me--I'll be coming back.' But I can't wait that long." Lerner says he offered Schwarzenegger $1 million just to do a one-day cameo in the picture. "I told him we could even shoot the scene in Sacramento," Lerner recalls. "He was smiling, but he didn't say yes. Maybe he can't take the money while he's still governor. That's OK, if he can't take the money, I'd donate it to a charity or give it to a school that needs the money." Lerner laughs. "Don't worry--I'll approach him again. I don't give up that easily."
Indy 4 sucked!!! by OgreYouAsshole	Nov 13th, 2008 06:25:34 AM
Sorry, still upset that I waited nearly 20 years for that garbage. Thanks Georgie Porgie! Where's Darabont's script again?
Poor, poor Harrison.... by Karl Childers	Nov 13th, 2008 07:10:41 AM
It looks like he's becoming Dennis Quaid, once dubbed the "poor man's Harrison Ford".
Wasn't this movie made a few years ago? by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 13th, 2008 07:19:49 AM
And it's been sitting in storage since?
Like "Traffic", if we're lucky. by mysteryperfecta	Nov 13th, 2008 07:34:53 AM
Like "Crash" if we're not. Looks heavy-handed enough to smell like "Crash".
Will the FINGER OF DOOM be on display? by Nasty In The Pasty	Nov 13th, 2008 07:55:10 AM

Harrison's reading scripts now? by sean bean	Nov 13th, 2008 07:55:26 AM
As opposed to just looking at the number of zeros on the paycheck?
harrison by unkempt_sock	Nov 13th, 2008 07:59:21 AM
is too fucking old
What Does Ford Know About Illegal Aliens? by catlettuce4	Nov 13th, 2008 08:31:38 AM
Other than his gardener and cook, that is?
Ford phones it in by Jodet	Nov 13th, 2008 08:33:02 AM
Just like he has for the past twenty years. Forget it. And Hollywood should realize we want their take on illegal immigration as much as we want their take on the Iraq war.
Crash part 2 by blackhole4140	Nov 13th, 2008 08:33:27 AM
and not part 2 of the cool one. Part 2 of the shitty one that swept the Oscars.
"Vasquez heard 'alien', thought they meant 'illegal alien'..." by Nasty In The Pasty	Nov 13th, 2008 08:38:03 AM
"...and signed up!"
Running Scared was SUCH GARBAGE by I am_NOTREAL	Nov 13th, 2008 08:56:54 AM
A pretty cool premise ruined by an over-indulgent director. It actually featured the line "I'm a mack daddy pimp!" And the last act twist was soooo stupid...I think the right amount of people probably saw it. At least one too many, actually.
Wayne Kramer sucks by Jack D. Ripper	Nov 13th, 2008 09:07:31 AM
The Cooler sucks, Running Scared sucked, Wayne Kramer sucks and this movie will fucking suck, he is a TERRIBLE director.
Meh by MrSundayNight	Nov 13th, 2008 09:18:44 AM

Wow, Harrison's still at it. by Mosquito March	Nov 13th, 2008 09:20:17 AM
Playing another gravelly-voiced, righteously indignant old codger. This guy's roles had such an effect on me when I was a kid. He was almost like a surrogate father, even though I already had one. Breaks my heart to see him continue to make complete garbage. As horrible as it was, I had hoped INDY 4 would give him an opportunity to do something interesting again. To quote Kevin Spacey - "WROOOOOOONG!"
OgreYouAsshole by Mosquito March	Nov 13th, 2008 09:22:04 AM
Darabont's script sucked, too. In fact, a lot of the contraptions he devised ended up in the movie.
Why isn't Ford making westerns? by ThrowMeTheIdol	Nov 13th, 2008 09:37:28 AM
He'd be perfect as the aging sheriff. I'll pass on the immigration propaganda.
Interesting concept left in the wrong hands. by Royston Lodge	Nov 13th, 2008 09:38:51 AM
I'm imagining how this concept could have been realized with someone like Steven Soderbergh, Paul Haggis, or Atom Egoyan at the helm. That, "in MY country," line really made me cringe. Ashley Judd's character seems too sickly sweet for words.
Who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009? by Motoko Kusanagi	Nov 13th, 2008 09:40:53 AM
nobody
Or even... by Royston Lodge	Nov 13th, 2008 09:41:29 AM
...Lawrence Kasdan would also be an interesting director to pull this idea off.
IF someone had some balls by classyfredblassy	Nov 13th, 2008 09:57:50 AM
They would make a movie about how immigrants from other South American countries are treated in Mexico. La viva la blowme!
Wow, Looks Pretty Lame by cowboyone	Nov 13th, 2008 10:15:07 AM
An action movie, bogged down in the mandatory cheesy multicultural multistory plotline. Maybe I'll check it out on DVD.
Ham station clips on the extended dvd by Knobules	Nov 13th, 2008 10:16:27 AM
Brought to you by that hack from the Indy 4 set a while back. HAM!
Billy Crystal by Himbo	Nov 13th, 2008 10:20:24 AM
Billy Crystal, Gregory Hines and Jimmy Smits were awesome in RUNNING SCARED. Shine Sweet Freedom! Oh this movie? Looks terrible. Apply Ashley Judd's script-choice skills, and you know it has a 95 percent chance of being just awful.
The Cooler sucks? by eustisclay	Nov 13th, 2008 10:24:46 AM
Maria Bello naked, that's all I'm saying.
Look really good to me. by BilboRing	Nov 13th, 2008 10:28:10 AM
Then again, I'm not a moronic fanboy who hates anything and everything that comes out.
Most illegals come from South America or by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Nov 13th, 2008 10:33:25 AM
Asia, but Hollywood is plugging a big chunk of this as Irish too. I'm Irish, and I say send ALL illegal aliens back to the country they came from. I'm not anti-immigration, I'm anti-illegal immigration. If you want to come to this country then come there legally, learn English, don't expect a handout, and obey the law. Look at the governor of Louisianna. I don't know if he came from India, or was born in the US, but it doesn't matter. Here is someone who is an American. He keeps his culture and heritage alive, but he speaks English, and works with the country, not against it. Oh, and I'm also one quarter Mexican so don't tell me I'm anti-Latino either.
So this is a movie that paints the INS as the bad guys? by Snake Foreskin	Nov 13th, 2008 10:33:46 AM
Why doesn't that surprise me? Come on, people. Hollywood just doesn't get it. They take the side of the criminals and make the law enforcement officials either corrupt or heartless. Nice. This movie will make about $3 at the box office. What I would like to see is a movie that bothers to show what's happening in our border towns: drug cartels and military units making incursions onto our soil, killing our citizens at will, with no fear of reprisal. We have our own citizens being brutally murdered for standing up to these villains when our own government refuses to lift a finger. Our guys are risking their lives, outmanned and outgunned by drug runners, and Hollywood paints them as the villains? Fuck you. You're the villains.
Oooh John Edward is gonna sue! by Baron Karza	Nov 13th, 2008 10:36:59 AM
Dead people RISE!
Grammaton Cleric Binks by frozen01	Nov 13th, 2008 10:50:23 AM
It's only propaganda if it doesn't portray the scenario accurately. I think legal immigration should be made easier. We have people who hold jobs and are productive, pay taxes, own homes, raise great children, are friendly and neighborly, and basically hold all the attributes that make America great, oh AND they speak English, yet the system is rigged against them. My brother-in-law is one of those people. He's been trying for over TEN YEARS to get citizenship. He holds two jobs, owns a home, pays taxes, has an American wife and an American daughter. He likes soccer, cooking, and fixing up his house. His daughter is the most important thing on the planet to him. He's completely fluent in Spanish and English. And the only reason he has even the slightest chance at getting citizenship is because at his hearing the DA wasn't prepared or organized and the judge got impatient. In other words... HE GOT LUCKY. Sounds real fair, doesn't it? Pretty far from "give me your tired, huddled masses"...
eustisclay - Maria Bello naked is awesome... by Mosquito March	Nov 13th, 2008 10:50:43 AM
...but not at the cost of watching Bill Macy fake an orgasm.
The Cooler is great by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Nov 13th, 2008 10:50:46 AM
Baldwin and Macy were fucking genius in that. Haven't seen Running Scared. Paul Walkers always a strong deterrent.
How do you get a cute Austrialian to sleep with you? by JumpinJehosaphat	Nov 13th, 2008 10:52:17 AM
Pretend to be Ray Liota. As an INS agent. Perfect.
There's no such thing as an "Austrialian" I just realized. by JumpinJehosaphat	Nov 13th, 2008 10:53:05 AM
My apologies to our TBers down under for not checking my spelling.
When is EVILSEEK coming?!? by s0nicdeathmonkey	Nov 13th, 2008 10:57:02 AM
Wasn't he supposed to be shooting 2 movies back-to-back with Walker this winter?
Good casting!!! by Archive	Nov 13th, 2008 10:57:55 AM
Someone is using Harrison Ford appropriately! What-what!
RUNNING SCARED by Mosquito March	Nov 13th, 2008 10:59:38 AM
Paul Walker actually wasn't that bad in the movie, and you get a pretty good view of Vera Farmiga's snatch. But what the movie really has going for it is Elizabeth Mitchell from LOST as the single hottest child molester in cinematic history. I was watching it wishing I was 8 again, and that she would touch me in my "special place".
by AllieJamison	Nov 13th, 2008 11:02:05 AM
I hope this exceeds mediocrity and there's no actual reason it is getting dumped. Sure, the trailer makes it look slightly heavy handed and the African chant music that accompanies the images of smiling African American kids and pitiful looking adults doesn't exactly help. But as kwisatzhaderach wrote above this is the type of project I'd love to see Ford more in again. Although ....to be fair...this doesn't seem to be toooo much of a departure as his character. But hopefully it's only a first in a bunch of more interesting role, script and director choices he's going to make. ...And I love his aged and weary look in this one.
by AllieJamison	Nov 13th, 2008 11:05:15 AM
strike "as his character"
Running Scared was fucking great by My Mom Is A Whore	Nov 13th, 2008 11:13:37 AM
If you do not see the truth of this statement, you deserve to have your ass repeatedly fucked by Kathy Bates wearing a strap-on. I fear The Bates. So too will you, Running Scared hater.
Odds that this flick depicts the issue intelligently? by Frisco	Nov 13th, 2008 11:15:09 AM
Zero. Odds that any character enthusiastic about enforcing US law is depicted favorably? Zero. Odds that the pro-enforcement side of the issue is depicted with even a modicum of fairness? Zero. Odds that this movie will make back its production and marketing budgets? Zero. How do shitburgers like this keep getting made? I thought Hollywood only cared about making money, hmmm...
I call bullshit!!! by Mel Gibsteinberg	Nov 13th, 2008 11:35:26 AM
These films always play on the fears that one poor little 12 year old girl will be forced back to her homeland by the INS Gestappo. When the fact is in CA we can't even deport illegal aliens who commit crimes, let alone illegal workers. Talk to anyone who knows about special order 40, its ridiculous. Talk to anyone in SF who lives under the regime of Gavin (I love coke and blowjobs) Newsome who does everything he can to protect El Salvador gang members from being deported. I agree that the path to legal citizenship should be easier, but what I can't fathom is why we make the INS look evil when they aren't even able to do the most basic things.
I agree that Paul Walker was not the worst part of Running Scare by I am_NOTREAL	Nov 13th, 2008 11:37:09 AM
He was actually OK in it. But the movie, as a whole, licked. Don't care if that puts me at risk for a reaming by Kathy Bates, the truth must be told. Sorry.
Running Scared by ChocolateJesus	Nov 13th, 2008 11:42:46 AM
Is a badass exploitation movie. Whoever used the line "I'm a mack daddy pimp" as a negative is a damn fool.
Furthermore by Mel Gibsteinberg	Nov 13th, 2008 11:43:19 AM
To anyone living outside of CA, don't believe the propaganda, the INS doesn't have that much time or power, they can barely deport people they know to be to illegal. You could sweep through Santa Ana and probably find that %40 of the population is illegal. Now I am not suggesting that we start up a Nazi like regime, to be honest I really appreciate so many of what the immigrants bring to this country, and I want to see us expand the ability for more to come, but how is it fair for some to abuse the system, while there are those living here legally (for the last decade or more) who can't get citizenship and pay their taxes, while others cheat the system, bankrupt hospitals due to the free emergency services they take, and then go on with no problems. And you can't just go after the people, you have to start really fining the businesses and those who hire teams of illegal aliens, they are just as bad, if not worse, they are basically operating sweatshops in the US, why isn't Hollywood showing how wrong these guys are, instead of just picking on the INS. Its ricoculous.
The talkbackers by optimus122	Nov 13th, 2008 11:50:16 AM
Are mostly a bunch of 2 bit assholes who hate the movies. You should only have 1/10th of the pussy Harrison Ford has had in his lifetime. Bunch of asswipes reside here, seriously. I come here and when I am done reading some of these talkbacks I lose complete interest in the movies and humanity itself..all of you hopefully will get Aids soon and drop dead. I will piss on your graves.
Optimus122 by SoWasRed2012	Nov 13th, 2008 11:57:23 AM
Feel the love.
This looks like Harrison Ford's own admission... by LoneGun	Nov 13th, 2008 12:01:54 PM
...that he should have taken that role in TRAFFIC, which he gave up to Michael Douglas. Had Ford been in TRAFFIC, he would have won an Oscar. Instead, he went on to do such humdingers as K-19: THE WIDOWMAKER and HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE. All the same, this trailer actually looks pretty good to me.
Harrison phone call by hallmitchell	Nov 13th, 2008 12:12:24 PM
Time to phone in another roll.
OBAMA COUNTRY!!!!! by 420 Boylston St	Nov 13th, 2008 12:25:30 PM
Alright already I get it! Let's open the borders for everyone! Even though there is no jobs for bloodborn americans or immigrants. So why come here when the US is just tiny bit better? This is the kind of stupid movie that should be pissed on in every screening. What is this movie really trying to say? F* This!
As someone who has seen the film... by IndyJonze	Nov 13th, 2008 12:29:54 PM
I can tell you that in no way does the film make immigration agents out to be goose stomping Gestapo thugs. Ford plays a very sympathetic ICE cop and Sean Penn plays a sympathetic border patrol agent. It's actually the exact opposite of what the naysayers are barking about. If I was an illegal immigrant, I'd pray that one of these guys grabbed me because they approach their jobs with a lot of compassion in the film. Also, Harrison is bad ass in this role. May get awards attention. And another thing: the film has not been on the shelf. It has only just been completed. It went through a lengthy editing period and was only delivered to the studio a few weeks ago. It was hoped it could be ready last year for release, but the studio opted to take more time with it. Don't believe the reports that the film is being dumped, either. From what I hear, it will have a qualifying release in December. Anything can happen to change that - but that's the latest word. The film has also tested really well several times. By the way, the line in the trailer about "I never understood why he joined the immigration gestapo" is taken completely out of context. It's not even said in regard to Ford's character. It was said to describe Ford's partner, an Iranian American ICE agent played by Cliff Curtis (in an amazing performance). It's a decent trailer, but it doesn't half convey the intensity and power of the many storylines. The storyline about the young Muslim girl is inspired by a true story. You can read about it in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06 /17/nyregion/17suicide.html
a lot of conservatives on here by Wee Willie	Nov 13th, 2008 01:27:25 PM
why would you rant and rail against "Liberal" hollywood, but spend your time on a movie website? Plus, you guys lost everything, the white house, congress, etc. Just kill yourselves already.
Once we see these "aliens" as humans... by Sleeperkid	Nov 13th, 2008 02:04:29 PM
...things change. And guess what? We have too many of the actual legal Americans here trying to fuck us over and kill us to even make the crossers seem like the source of that phenomenon.
I'm sure they are going to make the Border Agents look like ass' by Norm3	Nov 13th, 2008 02:15:01 PM
Of course all the ILLEGALS will be hard working inocents. Rather than Gang members welfare seeking job steelers. The system doesn't need to be fixed it needs to be inforced! Ok lets ship all the tech jobs over seas & then let in illeagal to take the last jobs left that sounds like the end of the USA to me! We already let in a million people a year legally. More than any other country. How many more people do we need?
YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN by surfsup22	Nov 13th, 2008 02:49:44 PM
wake me up when Ford does a decent movie.
Border agents are ass but by kafka07	Nov 13th, 2008 02:55:36 PM
they're not as assy as the fucking douches that ICE agents are.
Question for pro-immigration leftists.. by The Nihilist	Nov 13th, 2008 05:00:48 PM
..why? Why do you want poor, innocent, guileless immigrants coming here, to the worst, most hateful country in the world? You've hated this country for at least eight years (you'll probably bite your tongue through the Magic Negro's administration, no matter how much he dissapoints you) and yet you've STILL advocated open borders. If the country were really that terrible you'd think you'd be parked along the border with sings saying "Go Back! It's A Neocon Hell!" As for the movie...I predict it will gross less than "W." I always love it when people who are wishy washy on border security say they're "shocked at the anger Americans have over the border issue." No shit, Sherlock. We want the border secured, we want any immigrant who ends up here to do so legally and we want to be at least reasonably certain they're not coming here with a hidden agenda like terrorism or the drug trade. Until they figure this out pro-immigration politicians will lose elections and pro-immigration movies will lose money.
Good role for FORD by Turd Furgeson	Nov 13th, 2008 05:25:33 PM
He's best at either the action hero or the compasionate leading man.. I like the big cast to help him out... I think this movie is oging to be a winner.. Does anyone know when it's coming out?
The Nihilist by BadMrWonka	Nov 13th, 2008 05:54:04 PM
so long, kiddo. we hardly knew ya!
only place in the world were folks expect simply to by GQtaste	Nov 13th, 2008 06:45:58 PM
get to live here. Try doing it in Russia? Or even Europe, Austria, Paris? Don't get me wrong, i'm liberal and voted for donkey but living in OKC, OK I see my fair amount of non-english folk around.
Wasn't Sean Penn in this? by WWBD	Nov 13th, 2008 06:53:39 PM
IMDB still says he is. WTF.
frozen01 by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Nov 13th, 2008 07:23:23 PM
In your brother-in-law's case I agree. If you have an American spouse I think you should automatically get citizenship, assuming that it is a real marriage, and give it some sort of reasonable time frame to last. What gets me is I have a friend from Albania. Her father came to this country, then she and her brother and sister, then her mother. It took them about six years to get here piecemeal as war refugees following the process legally. Then it took her another eight to get her greencard. Not once did the family come looking for a handout. Then, in another part of our state the government wants to hand out free identification cards to illegal aliens, and not enforce the laws. It is a slap in the face to my friend and her family. They followed the rules, then these others get to basically cut in line. Oh, and her brother joined the National Guard to fight for our country. All speak English, and all go to school. We don't have bilingual Albanian paperwork here, or have press 1 for English, 2 for Albanian. They came and adapted to this country without losing their culture or heritage, not the other way around. If Latino want people to stop thinking of them as stereotypically lazy, then the first thing they need to do when they get here is try to learn English. When I move to Spain, I'll learn Spanish. When I move to France, I'll learn French. I'll adapt to those countries, not the other way around. It's not racist, it's common sense.
America is considered the end all, be all by terry1978	Nov 13th, 2008 07:46:42 PM
Which is exactly why so many people feel they have the right to come here, red tape and protocol be damned...they have been willing to risk death to get here for decades, so as wrong as illegals are, I understand why some do it.
Alice Braga!!! Sold. by CreasyBear	Nov 13th, 2008 07:51:36 PM
And once I'm in the theater, I'll learn a valuable and poignant lesson about how illegal aliens aren't really doing anything illegal, even though they're, uh, illegal aliens.
Angry by kurdt420	Nov 13th, 2008 07:55:12 PM
Forget about whether or not this will be a good film. But dosn't Harrison Ford make the best angry face ever? i never realized it until now, but in every film he makes that scoul that only mr. Ford can do
Pick your own lettuce... by Fa Fa Fooey	Nov 13th, 2008 10:25:00 PM
...and illegal immigration will drop dramatically. Yeah, didn't think so. Movie looks boring by the way.
He doesn't say "IN MY COUNTRY" by IndyJonze	Nov 13th, 2008 11:44:00 PM
in the film. They just put that line in the trailer. That's what's wrong with trailers these days - they don't reflect the accurate film they're marketing. This is a hardcore film. There's tons of sex and violence and it's a lot grittier than the trailer will have you believe. The film doesn't apologize for illegals, nor does it make a case against it. The film is more intent on depicting a no-win situation for both sides. We see illegals as human beings, not just statistics and we see the enforcement cops as guys who have a tough job to deal with, being the gatekeepers of the U.S. It's a compelling film and it's too bad that CRASH came before it, because that's all anyone is going to compare it to. This is a more focused film than CRASH and it doesn't feed off a bunch of ridiculous coincidences. Kramer is a far better director than Paul Haggis. Haggis shoots like a TV director. There's some good style to this film. Jim Sturgess is great as well.
"GET OFF... by rabidbothan	Nov 13th, 2008 11:49:22 PM
MY COUNTRY!"
Yeah, when do we get to see a movie by StraightToHell	Nov 13th, 2008 11:58:07 PM
about the lowlife pice of shit scumbag degenerate Mexican criminal who was deported and then snuck back in to SF and then wasted a father and his two sons for cutting him off in traffic? Sounds like a slamdunk to me. Or about the drug cartels who are taking over border towns and either bribing their way in or flat-out murdering those who stand in their way. Yeah, lets get some REAL movies about illegal immigration from Hollywood. I'm a Russian immigrant and my parents and I came here legally and bust our asses to pay taxes and obey the law like everyone else. We don't expect special treatment. So, don't tell me about how tough it is out there. Make a movie about the real trash and criminals that come here against the law and then continue to break it any chance they get. Fuck Hollywood and fuck Ford for his self-righteous liberal bullshit. He looks more bored in this movie than he did in Indy 4. Retire already if you have this much fun acting. I want the Ford who did The Mosquito Coast and The first 3 Indiana Jones movies. That Ford had a blast doing films. Thsi Ford looks like he's doing work detail for getting out of prison early.
Good one rabidbothan!!! by StraightToHell	Nov 14th, 2008 12:05:39 AM

and can somebody please explain by StraightToHell	Nov 14th, 2008 12:08:41 AM
to me again, with charts and testimony as to how did Crash and Paul Faggis won Oscars??? Driving Miss Dasy and Ordinary People did not deserve to win over Goodfellas and Ragin Bull, but at least they were good movies. Crash is one of the worst, lamest, crudest, most tone-deaf films I've ever seen in my life, with some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard, and the critics acted like this was the first film about race and racism that Hollywood ever made. It's obvious Oscars are a joke, but CRASH????
StraightToHell by IndyJonze	Nov 14th, 2008 12:39:25 AM
Go write and direct your own movie about that piss-ass version. It's guys like you that want to paint every immigrant with the same xenophobic brush. What makes you even worse, is that you are an immigrant yourself and someone opened the gates for you and now that you've got your American Dream, it's just fuck you to the rest of the underprivileged world. Well, fuck you, bro, because America was created by immigrants and it will always be a country of immigrants. You and your xenophobic cronies are always quoting the .01 percent of immigrants who cause shit in this country, but most immigrants are hard working, decent human beings and deserve to be cut some slack. How about I just label you as some Gulag hopping Russian scumbag mafia import - does that cover you and your family? Well, don't fucking use that same all purpose brush on the rest of American's immigrants, illegal or other. The only difference between illegal and legal is a piece of paper with your name on it. Bottom line: if immigrants want to come to the U.S. and do good and work hard and contribute to our great country, then they should be welcomed. If they want to come here and try fuck us over, then we'll ream their asses and show them the door. I'm so fucking tired of this attitude that we can't take any more immigrants. America only has a population of 300 million and more land to settle people on that you can imagine. We just need to find a way to deter them from congregating in the major cities.
this looks really boring by geraldbeans	Nov 14th, 2008 02:40:49 AM
I mean seriously, maybe if this was aimed at people who've never been to the movies before. But there wasn't one shot, one line, one character moment that got me excited. it looked boring as hell.
IndyJonze you are a rocket scientist by StraightToHell	Nov 14th, 2008 03:52:42 AM
Where in my post does it even hint that I am against immigrants and immigration? I can tell that you are not the shrpest tool in the shde from your writing, but I still can't figure out where did you see that I was against immigration. Did I say that all immigrants are scumbag criminals? Did I say that people shouldn't immigrate to US? All I said was that I am an immigrant and I'm here and I pay my taxes and obey the law, which is what everybody should expect from anyone who comes to this country. Clearly, since you've done some much research into the matter, you must know about all of the immigrants who are not here legaly and who don't pay shit in taxes and still get the use of the services provided by our government. Now THIS I have a problem with. if you take you must give too. I fail to see why anybody should get the benefit of out healthcare and other services (like free education) and not even bother to pay taxes, which is what happens when you are here illegaly and work under the table. So, where am I wrong on this, Mr. Genius? Grow the fuck up.
and I am clearly not that sharp either by StraightToHell	Nov 14th, 2008 03:54:32 AM
since my spelling is all fucked up, but I'm at work and have to sneak this shit in when the boss isn't looking...
You say Illegals don't pay taxes by IndyJonze	Nov 14th, 2008 05:22:02 AM
StraightToHell -- Well, what about all the social security payments they make under bogus social security numbers? They can't ever claim those benefits and those "illicit" payments have been keeping social security alive for years. The dirty little secret that the U.S. government doesn't want to talk about. I know a lot of people in the immigrant community and they are only using our health services in the most serious of medical situations. They're shit scared to come out of the shadows and risk being reported to immigration authorities. The right way of becoming legal in America may be a three month wait for you, and you probably came in on your daddy's greencard, so I doubt you washed a dish in your life. But for someone else - and not just from Mexico or South America, it can be a ten to twenty year wait because the system is so fucked up. You can buy your way in for a million dollars, but unless you have a powerhouse degree and a serious job offer (and even that will only buy you a temporary H visa), you're going to struggle to get residency in the United States. Oh, and if you get married, obviously. You can't even get a brother or sister or child over 21 into the country without a wait of several years. Everybody says, they should wait in line - but do any of you have any idea how long or arbitrary that line is? No - I don't fucking think so. You just regurgitate what you read in the headlines and buy into Lou Dobbs' rhetoric. The white guy in a three piece suit sitting next to you in Starbucks could be as illegal as the Mexican dude working in your yard - maybe even more so. When the politicians get off their partisan soap boxes and stop using the issue as a political wedge to gain support, maybe they'll do something about fixing this country's immigration law. And, StraightToHell, if you could write half as decent as me, you'd be smiling all the way to the bank. Fuckhead.
IndyJonze that' by StraightToHell	Nov 14th, 2008 06:04:07 AM

shit!!! I meant to say by StraightToHell	Nov 14th, 2008 06:11:17 AM
You don't know a fucking thing you're talking about IndyJonze. Both i and my family wore other people's clothes, had furniture from trashcans and worked dirty-ass jobs like crazy to get where we are. And we waited for years to get a green card and to become citizens. So, don't be telling me about how tough it is to come to US. Right asshole??? And my parents and I came here at the same time as a family, when I was 13. Of course I depended on them to come here, how the fuck else could I at that age? Steal a fucking plane??? What does that have to do with anything in my original post about making movies about criminals who come here illegaly??? Huh, moron? Before you get on your soap box read what people say and don't put words in their mouth and start insulting them, you fucking twat. Just because it's hard to become a legal alien, doesn't mean it's cool to break the law and get free shit based on other people's taxes. Law may not be fair, but it's the fucking law. Learn to argue you fucking cretin.
by IndyJonze	Nov 14th, 2008 06:59:36 AM
Listen, Fucktard, stop shitting on immigrants and I'll stop shitting on you. I meet asswipes like you every day. Zero compassion for anyone else's circumstances but yourself. You're the one laying judgment on illegals, not me. You're the one declaring illegals criminals. Half the immigrants in this country start out with no status - it was statistically reported a few months ago. I don't have the fucking link but you can google it. Therefore, half the immigrant population in the U.S. must be criminal, right? YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And until you personally had to struggle for a greencard, I don't need to read your kissed-in shit, regardless of whether you had to wear someone else's clothes or scored furniture from the trash. Boo-hoo. Douches like you should be back in Russia watching American movies with subtitles. Your greencard would have better served someone with an ounce of decency.
BadMrWonka... by The Nihilist	Nov 14th, 2008 09:01:28 AM
...why the "so long?" Are you going somewhere? If you're leaving the country I'd gladly help you pack.
That...looks.... by rbatty024	Nov 14th, 2008 12:05:47 PM
AWFUL! What an over-melodramatic piece of garbage. And I believe our immigration system should be overhauled to let in as many people as possible and as quickly as possible, but that doesn't mean I want to sit in the theater for a two hour lecture.
this dosn't look very good by chipps	Nov 14th, 2008 04:16:16 PM
harrison in indy and star wars is simply my favorite, but he really doesn't have much other than that. I'm now imagining him in traffic and syriana. I wasn't huge on those movies, but they were ok. With him filling those roles they would prob be another firewall or whatever that was. k19 was ok though, but ford was not the best thing in it.

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