I could give a shit about being "faithful to the source material" or any other ridiculous.

As long as they get someone HOT to play Wonder Woman, and she doesn't wear too much clothing, I'm good.

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Wouldn't it be an even cooler take if WW were Japanese?

No, it wouldn't be cool at all since WW is from GREECE.

Besides, Tyra is the right type for the job and she can act. Lets not forget the body: http://jaynir.files.wordpress .com/2008/08/bradvei-tyra-bank s-dtmar05-09.jpg

Karate Kid: Maybe the reason they recast the Karate Kid with a black kid is that he just so happens to be mega star WILL SMITH’s son. Hell, I don’t see that as affirmative action as much as I see it as Hollywood nepotism at its worse.

Wonder Woman: This is only a rumor, just as it was a rumor that Will Smith was going to be Captain America or Chris Rock was going to be Robin in Tim Burton’s series. So you are bringing up something that isn’t even an issue yet. Nick Fury in Iron Man: Well they cast Samuel L. Jackson because the character of Nick Fury in the Ultimate Universe was based on Samuel L. Jackson, so I guess you should blame Marvel Comics for that and not the filmmakers. And Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy: I don’t know, maybe the producer’s thought he was pretty funny? Plus isn’t Ford Prefect an alien? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to assume he is white?

Besides these films, I randomly looked up eight remakes, reboots or tv shows adapted into movies that were released this year on imdb, and of those eight only two had recast with black actors, but only in a supporting role for both films: Death Race (turned Chicago Joe from a Italian Gangster into a black gang-banger, but they also recast Frankenstein from an American into a Limey) and Prom Night (they had some black people in the movie, while the originally movie was all white people). I should add that of those eight films, two of the remakes – Shutter and One Missed Call – recast the movie from Asian to white Americans. Damn affirmative action. As you can see, all of the complaining about movies being remade with black actors in roles identified as white is really making something big about nothing. The worry shouldn’t be about blacks somehow stealing white roles, but about bad casting in remakes in general (Seth Rogen in The Green Hornet or Topher Grace as venom comes to mind) Plus, I have yet to see them take a truly iconic character and make him black: no black Bond, no black Batman, no black Sherlock Holmes, nothing. The closest thing to that is Wild, Wild West, which was a disaster I admit, but once again I think the reason they went with a black actor wasn’t so much do to the color of his skin as it had to do with the fact that he is WILL SMITH, mega-star.

Damn work keeps distracting me from what is really important.

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Why on earth should the "okayness" be surprising?. Sure there are those that didn't like the style of the Charlie's Angels films but they were very competently made- I can't stand Lawrence of Arabia but I'd be pretty much of a fuckwit if I said it wasn't at least a well made film- and the style of Charlie's Angels was simply that, a stylistic choice, not McG's only way of approaching a film, simply the approach to THOSE films. We Are Marshall illustrates that, it was a decent effort in a completely different style, so why all the McG hate?. Is it just the name, McG?. If so, I find that a little odd coming from someone who just calls himself merrick- cast the first stone and all that.

So come down from your self constructed pedestal, get of your high hobby horse and give the bloke a chance. Bale appears to have faith in him and the story and that means more to me than the views of a pretend critic at a castrated Internet Movie site.

Personally, I think many superheroes in the modern era work better if they are portrayed by a black person or other minority. Two that come to mind right away is the Punisher and Ben Grimm, the Thing. As I have written elsewhere, Ben Grimm is former gang member who escapes the slums on a football scholarship and then joins the armed forces for a career. Sounds like he could be black man to me.

I will say that there are occasions where the race of the character is very important to me and I believe that he can only be white, or black if we are talking about the Black Panther. I already posted something about how Captain America has to be white over at the Captain America TB and I won’t repeat my arguments here. However, I will say that I can see going in two directions regarding Wonder Woman: if the movie is set in the 40’, she should be white (but not necessarily Greek, remember the Amazons were in Greek myths but they themselves were not Greeks); if it is set in the modern era, I think she should be a mixed race person to make her appear more exotic. But first and foremost cast someone who can act and who I can believe is an Amazon warrior.

Silver and co. can't get past the script stage after years and years.

This definitely needs a push in some way. Whether it's the JLA movie or McGinty or the upcoming animated movie.

2 – Get the Right Actress: The lead doesn’t have to have a name, but she should fit the part. We should stop worrying so much about her ethnicity and more about her physique. Wonder Woman shouldn’t just be a pretty face or even a model she should be an Amazon. Find someone tall, with a great, athletic build, not just a good-looking woman. She should stand out from all other women and she should look like she could kick most guys’ ass, even if she didn’t have any powers.

Plus she should probably cast a younger woman. Besides the fact that it will help the entire “fish out of water” angle so many seem to love, it will also allow you to make a number of sequels without worrying that she will get to old for the part after awhile.

3 – Use the Corny Stuff: Most people will tell you to avoid the “cheesier” or “cornier” elements of Wonder Woman mythos, I say don’t. Bask in them. It will be what separates you from all the other super-hero movies. So feel free use her old secret identity of Diana Prince or the Invisible Jet. That doesn’t mean you can’t give it a “logical” explanation. For example, you could say that Invisible Jet was created because Steve Trevor’s plane was totaled in the crash, and the Amazons were incapable of repairing it, so they beseeched Hephaestus to build them their own plane, which he did, but out of mystical aether.

4 – Feel Free to make it a Little Kinky: Have you ever read the first eight years of Wonder Woman? William Moulton Marston had practically every issue be about submission, domination, tying someone up, spanking and cat fights. Don’t be afraid to slip a little sex in there.

5 – WWII Connection: Personally, I think the movie would be better if it was based in WII, since that would give a better explanation as to why she wears an American flag costume (she isn’t a patriot but she does want us to know she is fighting on our side against the Axis), but if the studios refuse to green-light a period piece at least make sure there is a connection to WWII. You could say that Queen Hyppolyta was the original Wonder Woman, having gone to Man’s World to fight the forces of Ares during WWII (hence the costume). Now it is her daughter’s turn and so she bequeaths her old costume to her.

6 – Take It Seriously: While earlier I mentioned they should use the corny stuff and have fun with it, at the same time they should also try to make a good movie and not look at this as some piece of camp that is beneath them. As long as you don’t act condescending to the audience or the source material, you might actually make a film that people will see.

I'm not too fussed about the McG part...

I'll tell you one thing, I could make an argument why she should be white. But I've yet to hear it from any of you bigoted bozos.

Also, Beyonce is a black hole of charmlessness (no pun intended), and she couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. So she shouldn't get the role for that reason.

On the other hand, if there's one major comic character more outmoded than Superman, Wonder Woman is it. This is just not a recipe for success, no matter how you cut it.

She starts out in her Ordinary World (Paradise Island), has the Call to Adventure (Steve Trevor’s plane crash), the Refusal of the Call (her mother refuses to let her be involved in the contest to see who goes to Man’s World), Meets the Mentor and is Given Supernatural Aid (her mother, Queen Hyppolyta, will advise her and give her the Lasso of Truth and the Invisible Jet), Crosses the First Threshold (flies back to Man’s World with Steve Trevor), goes on the Road of Trials where she meets Test, Allies and Enemies (in the comic book, she had to learn how to operate in our world, while meeting allies like Etta Candy and enemies such as gangsters and spies), she Approaches the Inmost Cave (whomever the villain is in the movie, this will be that person’s lair), faces the Supreme Ordeal (in the old comics it would have been her bracelets being bound together by a man, rendering her powerless), and than go through the Reward, The Road Back, Resurrection, and the Return with the Elixir phase (each of these depending on the plot or storyline, up until the defeat of the foes master plot and the acceptance of Steve Trevor’s love).

Normally I think writer’s obsession with following classic mythological structure has become way overdone, but this is one time were I think it would be appropriate.

Personally I think, since her origin has been changed more than once in the comics, as long as you can tell the story sincerely, it's fine. Not that I'm saying they'd really need to deviate - this is a liberally-interpreted comic book version of an ancient myth.

I mean really: "No! She cannot be BLACK! Can't you see? The superhero Wonder Woman's mythological Amazonian mother's FATHER was Ares - a Greek God! She must be white, of course ... Plus light skin goes better with her invisible jet fighter!" You know? Maybe you're "right" but it's a helluva weird point to insist on, all things considered.

And crankyoldguy, I respect tradition to a point, but I don't really see "this is is how she's always been" being a real argument in this case. Would you reject a brown-eyed actress playing her, since Wonder Woman has "always" had blue eyes? What if her hair was short? What if they cast her as she should look according to some of the posters here who clamor for "accuracy" - Mediterranean, or even Middle-Eastern?

If it is set in WWII, I feel if she is any other race than white it will unfortunately be to distracting to the main story, and lead into unintentionally territory. It would be hard for a black Wonder Woman in the 1940’s not to be met with scorn, ridicule and suspicion, and I think this would cause the movie to veer off, becoming more of a film about America’s discriminatory past and less of a superhero movie.

For the modern era I mentioned that I thought she should be someone of mixed race because she would look more exotic. I should also have added I think this would help push her into more of a post-race character, as someone who sees the identity politics of the modern world as ridiculous and childish. She would the first Barack Obama era hero.

While I personally would prefer the tall, white brunette version of Wonder Woman since this is the character I am used too, I can live with them casting someone of any race as her, as long as she fits the part.

Oh, and as for the idea of Wonder Woman being a character no one cares about, I guess you didn’t go out for Halloween.

If it is set in WWII, I feel if she is any other race than white it will unfortunately be to distracting to the main story, and lead into unintentionally territory. It would be hard for a black Wonder Woman in the 1940’s not to be met with scorn, ridicule and suspicion, and I think this would cause the movie to veer off, becoming more of a film about America’s discriminatory past and less of a superhero movie.

For the modern era I mentioned that I thought she should be someone of mixed race because she would look more exotic. I should also have added I think this would help push her into more of a post-race character, as someone who sees the identity politics of the modern world as ridiculous and childish. She would the first Barack Obama era hero.

While I personally would prefer the tall, white brunette version of Wonder Woman since this is the character I am used too, I can live with them casting someone of any race as her, as long as she fits the part.

Oh, and as for the idea of Wonder Woman being a character no one cares about, I guess you didn’t go out for Halloween.

Alert the Queen.

Maybe I should have been more nuanced, but I was just annoyed at the more facile posts along the lines of "Why don't we just make all white characters black then? Phooey!"

I can see your objection if it's based in WWII, however it was never my assumption it would be a WWII movie - I don't think it will be. Obviously this objection of yours differs quite a bit from the typical knee jerk reaction, since yours is about the context and how the person's color would affect that. Not at all the opinion of someone who's just got "hung up on color" as I alluded to, so I don't know why you'd even think that.

As for no one caring about Wonder Woman, I didn't say that. I said the character was outmoded.

As far as Halloween goes, there are precious few iconic characters for females to dress up as, especially comic book nerd women. Anyway I would object to someone dressing up as Wonder Woman on Halloween for the simple reason that it's not in the spirit of the day unless you dress as something at least vaguely scary. Like ... a BLACK Wonder Woman, maybe?

If they do go with someone non-Grecian for the role, I hope it is Peregrym.

I've been pushing for Lucy Lawless, as she's a true WOMAN instead of a girl, and she's got the look and build to do it. I'd accept Eva Green because she's got the tits, the beauty, and the acting chops to pull it off. Anyone else would suck.

As for turning WW into a Black woman-- Look, I love Black women. I *prefer* Black women-- but Wonder Woman is GREEK, and should appear as such. Add to that the idea that she's literally mde from mud, and the idea of casting a Black woman becomes not just a bad casting stunt, but a potentially anti-black statement, and you've got the formula for disaster in casting a Black woman.

Make any of her foes black. Make her American friends back. Cheetah IS black, now, isn't she? (I haven't kept up with DC over the past four years). Or hey, how about this: Make a movie about any of the Black female superheroes that already exist. A VIXEN movie would kick ass! Storm could have carried her own film (or one with the Black Panther) if they hadn't wasted the role on Halle Berry (bad actress, terrible attitude about her roles, but seriously hot).

The thing is that there WAS a "Black Wonder Woman", and she was called Nubia (or Nu'Bia, depending which era you're talking about; Pre or post Crisis). She was trite and cliche in the comics, playing off the "she's my Black sister" angle to draw in Black readers... She was all Black power, rah rah rah, and rather an insulting character. If Beyonce took the role of Wonder Woman, she'd turn her into Nu'Bia, the Black Themyscirian and cheeseball the movie into Halle Berry's Catwoman territory.

There are plenty of existing, serious, non-cheesy, non-insulting Black heroes today. We don't need to force Blackness into comics characters who aren't already Black. If they want a Black hero, then make a Black Lightning movie (Or, "Lightning" now, isn't it?) or look at how Marvel is working it out: Rhodey will be War Machine at some point, and with Cheadle on board, they may be making plans to have a spin-off War Machine movie. Betcha it won't be cheesy like Steel, Catwoman, or any of DC's other Black hero movies.

Does any of this mean we'll actually get a watchable 'Wonder Woman' much less something that isn't a horrid piece of clammy shit? Doubtful.

Oh and I've got perfect/fantasy casting: Sigourney Weaver. She's too old now and she'd never have done it but she'd be perfect. At the end of the day, I've never cared about the character and kinda think her abilities are kinda dumb (invisible plane and a lasso that forces you to tell the truth? wtf? why not an indestructible toaster oven? or a gold & red bandana boomerang that doubles as a submarine?). The conceptual comic-book idea of Wonder Woman is just kinda dumb so whoever does this has a tremendous amount of work cut out for him or herself.

It's very possible, and very unlikely.

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