I just want to see if they can make this a fun show again. It doesn't have to be Lost with a new twist or wrinkle by the end of every episode. Just a solid superhero show.

The only reason I still watch it now is because I do like HRG as a character and Robert Forster does look like he's having a lot of fun playing the bad guy.

Meanwhile, two weeks without a new "Pushing Daisies" feels like an eternity.

It's unlikely I'd give Heroes much of my time now that I don't even bother to catch up... but, honestly, why would I (and all the other folks who given it up) care once "24" and "LOST" return in just about 2 months.

Answer: They won't. Heroes is done.

I blame it all on Mohinder. I just really hate his character.

i agree with Herc that Heroes is a mess, i'm just not sure that Loeb is to blame, since he apparently did good work with JJ Abrams and presumably Whedon thinks enough of him to write for Buffy. I don't know the ins and outs of the writing staff at Heroes, or who is responsible, but Kring seems like the main villain here.

But, I really enjoyed the first season of Heroes... and I hung on last season thinking, "OK, not awesome... but still fun to watch."

But, this season has just gone down and down for me. I don't hate the show... I just have lost my enthusiasm for it. That makes me sad, especially every time I look at my DVD collection and see the first season of Heroes box set.

I do hope that Heroes gets back to form... that'd be great; I might even start watching episodes in a timely manner again. I'll eventually watch those episodes on my DVR... probably this week. During season one, I arranged my schedule to watch Heroes. Now... my schedule and other shows trump my desire to immediately watch Heroes. I think I speak for many, many fans. I don't hate Heroes... I'm just no longer an engaged viewer. Lost may not always be 100% brilliant, but it's always kept me wanting more.

Yet still not as overrated as Mark Millar.

now he went what, 49 for 49 right? None to shabby. I don't think Kring has it in him to Lidge it.

It shits on both Heroes and Terminator from a great height. I've seen every episode of all three shows. It won't win the People's Choice award though.

I SERIOUSLY don't think they would have gone there to film though.

I absolutely agree about the Eye of the Tiger thing with Ackles. Truly inspired.

They ate a TON of pie.

They killed African Isaac!

Noah is Elle's son, maybe?

um... NO.

Amy Chasing mkaes a good point. One episode does not a season make, although a few that are good do help. In Heroes case immensely.

Actually, I can buy that Hiro would see what he needs to see with the paste. If it's done well (and it sounds like it is) I can suspend my disbelief enough for that to pass. That and everyone seems to be genetically connected in this show anyway so Hiro is probably just accessing his genetic memory. But I'm making that up of course... aren't I?

Not bad. I'm having trouble finding who wrote it, but it might have been Kring himself (or one of the fired ones who took his name off?). It was almost overloaded with stuff that probably should have been spread out in some of the earlier, crappier episodes in the season.

Although, I'm not quite sure what Papa Petrelli's power is. It seemed like he had Maury's power, but he had only just killed him in the present. And presumably he didn't remove Maury's power a year ago. Perhaps he has Peter's ability and the power suck ability is merely an evolution of it?

I noticed that we didn't have to deal much with Parkman, Claire, Schizo chick or (especially) Mohinder and that certainly didn't hurt things this episode. And it was more in line with what we were promised after S1, what with the dealing with different Heroes thing, without totally abandoning the originals. In any case, the ep was a big step up from the earlier dog food.

Much to much constant surprise, that show gets better and better. I was only so-so on S1, but this season has really pulled it together, writing wise.

Thanks Pennsy on the writer info. It doesn't seem like he's ever written anything for the show before, is that right? If so, it's a great first time ep.

The Haitian... solving plot hole problems since 2006.

Noah creates the monster that is Sylar, and then we are expected to believe his anger when Sylar cuts up his daughter? Dude, your "daughter" is invulnerable and you had a hand in sending Gabriel down this path. I'm not supposed to come out of an episode HATING a good guy that I've liked for a while.

And how the HELL did Papa Petrelli get Pinehurst off the ground from the Coma-Bed? He's got no cash, he can't take any from his family without them knowing that he is still alive. Is he just telling people through his mind to keep doing his bidding regardless of how much money it is costing them?

How did Elle go from a level-headed human being with a brief yet loving relationship with Gabriel Gray to a socially awkward, introverted sociopath that played with Peter like he was a toy? She accidentally blew up her grandmother's house at 6, yet her father was training her to be an agent at 4. "A sociopath with paranoid delusions" is showed to be the voice of reason in a story involving Sylar? She is "twenty-four years old and never went out on a date," and yet here she was getting her romance on with Gabe.

I'm sorry, but this shows absolutely NO respect for any of their previous episodes.

And PETER'S POWER DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. Papa Petrelli can't absorb the abilities that Peter has absorbed through Peter! That makes no sense! Peter's ability is empathic mimicry, so that's exactly what Papa Petrelli should have stolen. And if this was indeed the CASE and Papa Petrelli has all the abilities that Peter has been exposed to, then wouldn't he be giving into 'the hunger'?

Am I the ONLY ONE that thinks that Season 2 was better than this? Which reminds me...

WHERE THE FUCK IS CAITLIN?!

The hardest part of the episode was buying HRG as a hardass again. Remember those days? Company Man, while brilliant, really took apart HRG's hardassedness -- even being a badass at the copy place in the premiere of season 2 couldn't restore him to his former glory. To go back to that was fun, but disconcerting.

They still need to kill off some characters. Anyone want to bet that Meredith bites it versus her brother in the Villains finale?

Hiro has really become a liability for the show. He was cute at the beginning of season 1, and cool as Future Hiro, but ever since Charlie died and he spent an episode in a limo, he's been pretty dang pointless. The writers really need to do one of two things: mature him, or kill him.

Peter takes powers. He keeps them after he takes them. Papa Petrelli took *all* of Peter's powers. That includes -- Flying. The company already knew where African Isaac was, so anyone nitpicking how Papa Petrelli got there really hasn't been paying attention.

That said, he seems to have Maury's powers and the Haitian's powers. Maybe he can restore powers as well? And maybe he doesn't lose them when he gives them back?

The one big unanswered question is: what did Papa Petrelli want to do in the future with the bomb (which he must have known about)? Obviously not make Nathan President. So what was it?

Then you have HRG saying "fascinating" after watching a good guy get murdered in cold blood by a bad guy he's trying to catch. Stupid.

I have enjoyed parts of this season but last night was the "wurst episode everrrr."

Mama Petrelli was a sweet woman until Arthur tried to kill Nathan and Linderman (who suddenly has a conscience)decided to heal her scarred brain amd restore her memories? THEN she becomes a bitch? The brothers acted like she was an overbearing bitch for quite a while.

What's more important, in Season One didn't everyone talk about Papa Petrelli commiting suicide? Wasn't he supposed to testify against Linderman in court and supposedly couldn't hack it? How then did Nathan see daddy dying from a supposed heart attack on the floor of his parent's dining room? This show has worse continuity than Star Trek!

Re: Mama Petrelli: Re-watch the first few episodes of Season 1. Mama Petrelli is screwed up; she even overdosed on pills at one point, iirc. It's only later in the season that she became Evil (still the best line of Season 2: "You're Evil, Ma"). Obviously it took her some time to overcome the effects of Papa's meddling. I don't think it was until after Peter and Nathan learned of Mama Petrelli's support of the bomb that they understood her evilocity.

Re: Papa Petrelli. No, it was always a heart attack. Not sure where you're getting the suicide from (unless you're confusing him with Mama's drug overdose).

HRG: Again, this is similar to how HRG was at the beginning of the 1st season. Coleman may have overacted it a little, but it was consistent.

Linderman: I think Linderman was just scared of Arthur at that point and knew the best way to stop him was via Mama Petrelli.

NBC needs to move Heroes to a new night, otherwise it might not see a season 4.

I don't think Heroes will ever recapture its original numbers. But there's no reason it can't be a steady performer. And to save cash, maybe they could get rid of some freakin' characters!

And there was no line about Elle's dad in the last episode. HRG specifically threatened her with being left alone. From Season 2 we know Elle's dad was head of the company until he was killed. Then Mama Petrelli took over. So HRG threatening Elle, the boss's daughter, just doesn't make sense! It was a flub-up that makes me cringe.

Here's some evidence from Wikipedia: "She confides in Peter that she has lived in the Company's holding facility for 16 years. She also admits to being diagnosed as a sociopath; Noah tells Elle that Bob allowed the Company to perform tests on her which had begun as early as the age of seven. This included subjecting her to high doses of electricity, which scarred her emotionally for life. Elle has no recollection of the tests, and Noah suggests the Haitian had a role in causing Elle to forget her experiences." So clearly she was in the company from an early age and her dad was head of the company, therefore the HRG threat in the last episode was ridiculous!

I wish this show was written by people who could keep up with their viewers. It's embarrassing and infuriating!

Heroes usually has one or two continuity errors in each episode... However, this one was different: there was nearly a continuity error in EACH scene!

Yes, it's going to be tough for Dollhouse because it's a new show, it follows a show that's not doing very well, and because the Whedon name does not excite a very, very large percentage of the American viewing public (sorry Herc). But Heroes is an established show. It may be able to prosper on Friday night.

Besides, with the way things are going on Monday night -- and with 24 on its way -- it may be Heroes' best hope for long-term survival.

And if Lipstick Jungle is on past midseason, NBC needs to fire everybody because obviously they have no clue what they're doing.

On the plus side, just how hot is the cheerverines pyro mom? Jesus, Mary and Joseph that's a fine piece.

More Eric Roberts please. He's the talented member of the Roberts clan.

You know what... FUCK it. I'm done. I tried. But now I'm officially done. I decided prior to this season that the show sucked but that I'd keep watching it because I had nothing else on a Monday night. Now I'm of the mindset that I'm better off just doing ANYTHING but watching Heroes. I feel as though I'd be smarter to just watch the paint on my walls than try to deal with this drivel that the "writers" keep coming with. It isn't HARD to have a constant afterthought of continuity. All you have to do is say, "hey, is anything in this scene blaringly contradictory of an earlier episode?" That's all they have to do! Just have that ONE THOUGHT while writing new episodes.

Fuck Heroes. Fuck Kring. Fuck NBC.

AHGHAGHGHAHGAHGAHHAHG!

Heroes is flawed. It's by no means perfect. My role on this (and other) talkbacks is to merely point out where arguments may not have merits. My history on AICN over the past decade has always been motivated by an adherence to honesty and logic. My approach to Heroes and BSG (where I am also a defender of the 'faith', so say we all) is to point out flaws, defend against unwarranted attacks, and to answer as honestly and truthfully I can any questions that others pose.

I am guilty of a sort of pollyanna-ishness, in that in general I am optimistic (and this applies to everything, not just Heroes et al), so I am more often than not willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Do not confuse that, though, with unflinching loyalty. I once abandoned BSG and did not expect to return (interestingly enough, I gave up right before the ep where they introduced the best character ever, so my timing was piss-poor). I almost abandoned Heroes this season; if the episode with Sylar going ka-blooie didn't Kick Ass (as Talkbacker Chrth said), I might not have lasted to this point.

But it did, and I have. I don't apologize for that. So say we all.

And I'm sorry, but your explanation doesn't even hint at why Elle and Sylar don't refer to their little thing. The writers are making this up as they go along.