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Jon Favreau officially Directing IRON MAN & Producing THE AVENGERS - & Don Cheadle is stepping in for Terrence Howard!

Good stuff.. by Darth_Valinorean	Oct 28th, 2008 04:11:49 PM
Very good stuff. Lets hope they knock this one out of the park. DC - TAKE A HINT !! THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE.
No one else interested? by Darth_Valinorean	Oct 28th, 2008 04:12:21 PM
Quiet talkback.
Good news. by Stuntcock Mike	Oct 28th, 2008 04:12:30 PM

chirp ... chirp... by Darth_Valinorean	Oct 28th, 2008 04:12:37 PM

why did terrence howard bail? by frankenfickle	Oct 28th, 2008 04:12:45 PM
?
You shouldn't have given in on the timetable, Favreau by snowpuff	Oct 28th, 2008 04:13:02 PM
I know you kind of had to choose between letting the property go or standing firm on your timetable. Tough choice. But Marvel execs will be happy if the sequel is 70 percent as good. Will you? Hope it works out.
The Avengers will Disappoint. by Redfive!	Oct 28th, 2008 04:14:18 PM
Too much build up for one movie.Plus Iron Man 2 is already getting off to a bad start.
Nice to hear this finally confirmed... by TylerDurden3395	Oct 28th, 2008 04:15:08 PM
Terrance Howard always seemed a little femmy to me anyway.
I thought the same thing by Drunken Irishman	Oct 28th, 2008 04:15:43 PM
I read the same article and went straight for Wikipedia. But after learning this, the problem now is: which Jon Favreau should I worship more?
frankenfickle... by MCVamp	Oct 28th, 2008 04:17:37 PM
Howard's claiming the replacement came as a surprise. Maybe he was holding out for some of that franchise money.
Terence didnt bail he was replaced by Knobules	Oct 28th, 2008 04:18:09 PM
At least that was the news on the first go around.
4 Picture Deal? by alynch3	Oct 28th, 2008 04:18:44 PM
Does that include Downey's cameo in The Incredible Hulk, or is Iron Man 3 the fourth picture of the agreement?
"Executive Producer" by Rupee88	Oct 28th, 2008 04:19:54 PM
Favreau is just getting that honorary title on Avengers but he probably won't have much to do with it. I hope Edward Norton returns for Avengers, but it's doubtful.
Should have had Cheadle from the start by versatol	Oct 28th, 2008 04:25:19 PM
Don and Robert are both short, unattractive, occasionally annoying but highly gifted and witty actors. Seems like a no brainer.
marvel universe by P_dog	Oct 28th, 2008 04:27:01 PM
I'm kind of dissapointed that cheadle wasn't in the 1st iron man as i believe lack of continuity ruins a lot of films(altho i have nothing against howard). however im a big fan of cheadle especially in hotel rhoanda, and the confirmation that a avengers movie will be made excites me alot. for me this is bigger news than this talkback suggests.
Why no one want to make Hulk 2? by rev_skarekroe	Oct 28th, 2008 04:27:43 PM
Say, is that Ant Man movie that Pegg and Frost were going to make still happening? Would it tie into this whole Avengers thing?
Who's the biggest foe? by PoopAgoose	Oct 28th, 2008 04:35:45 PM
how about Namor? that would be close to the early stories. And Leonard Nimoy could use the work. I'm sure he could pump up, he's only 77.
Cheadle is a whiney bitch by Stuntcock Mike	Oct 28th, 2008 04:37:25 PM
I kid.
howard and cheadle by stereotypical talkbacker	Oct 28th, 2008 04:39:17 PM
all black dudes look the same anyways. no one will notice.
Who will replace Norton!? by irc-Hollywood	Oct 28th, 2008 04:40:17 PM
because he sure as hell is not coming back for Hulk 2 or Avengers
The Avengers by The Reluctant Austinite	Oct 28th, 2008 04:42:47 PM
As much as I'm already enjoying the initial films, the true excitement in the fan community is that this is all leading to "The Avengers." We've already replaced the original Jim Rhodes just one movie in. How long will it be before Edward Norton is replaced (or drops out) as Bruce Banner? Each of the major stars cast in each film is going to ask for a ridiculous amount of money when it comes time to make "The Avengers," which will have to be an ensemble piece. They won't be top dog. Imagine that set, with all those egos together in one place making demands. We'll be lucky if any of the orignial actors appear in that film.
Please don't let me die before 2011 by IAmMrMonkey!	Oct 28th, 2008 04:46:33 PM
I know i don't go to Church anymore but please, God, let me see the Avengers movie!
RE: Continuity by rsanta74	Oct 28th, 2008 04:48:39 PM
Audiences are surprisingly forgiving about changes in casting. We bitch and moan, but almost always turn a blind eye to some degree or another. In the X-Men films, Ellen Page was the 3rd Kitty Pryde. Ed Norton Replaced Eric Bana as the Hulk. Various actors have donned the cowl & capes of Batman and Superman. This is just business. Audiences mostly turn their brains off and go with the flow. Unless, of course, they're the whiny bitch types who have to pick every nit regarding "Mannequin" Skywalker or Greedo. It's a shame that Howard won't be in Iron Man 2. I've really dug every performance of his since his role as Spaceman in "Sunset Park." He's a versatile actor to be sure. Then again, so is Cheadle, who has not nearly received as much critical acclaim as he deserves. Regardless, it is what it is. I'm just glad to see that Marvel is willing do some of the more ambitious films like Avengers. Long overdue.
Four picture deal by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 28th, 2008 04:49:20 PM
I'd say the deal is for an Iron Man trilogy and an Avengers movie. No way a 20 second cameo would be seen as a movie. Also, hope to hell Favreau's got that Justin Theroux hauling ass on the script cause it's less than two years away. Seems to me like they're rushing it.
RE: Norton by rsanta74	Oct 28th, 2008 04:49:55 PM
It has not been finalized. As is typical of films these days, Norton is still under contract for any potential sequels and such. It's not totally impossible. It's up to the suits.
No Complaints by Cobbio	Oct 28th, 2008 04:52:01 PM
Glad to see Favreau doing his thing. Cheadle will do a great job as Rhodey, I'm sure, though I would've preferred character continuity. But no complaints. I'm really looking forward to this.
So, who's the "more" in The Avengers? by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 28th, 2008 04:59:40 PM
And are Captain America and Ant Man going to get made by then, or will they introduce them in Avengers? And who will play Cap? And is Edgar Wright still doing Ant Man? Questions... Questions... Questions...
Good news. by Devil'sOwn	Oct 28th, 2008 05:02:14 PM
Iron Man broke the Richard Donner Superman template that the Spider-films followed, and I'm very amped about Avengers. I still say they need to go LotR on this: Get a director who's really into the project, and a cast that can actually work together.
Problem with Terence Howard by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 28th, 2008 05:05:02 PM
I feel Howard was too much of a leading man-type. Had they made his James Rhodes character that much stronger and interesting, he might have taken the spotlight from RDJ's Stark. Cheadle seems to be more of a supporting actor type, and thus may fit that supporting role better while allowing his character to grow and not upend the focus on Tony Stark.
Iron Man was good by pleasebanme	Oct 28th, 2008 05:07:50 PM
The Dark Knight was better.
Maybe Terence Howard... by Mosquito March	Oct 28th, 2008 05:11:36 PM
...is difficult to work with, and Favreau and Downey didn't want to have to put up with him in a larger capacity.
Good News... by Read and Shut Up	Oct 28th, 2008 05:13:53 PM
Keeping Favs in the loop helps the large-scale continuity. I read Terence Howard wanted more $$, but getting Cheadle for the roll was a masterstroke.
Howard looked bored by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 28th, 2008 05:18:21 PM
At no point did he look interested in the character. Maybe it was because he was pissed off because they told him his role would be bigger.
I don't know about Favs, but his buddy Vince is a conservative.. by Kid Idioteque	Oct 28th, 2008 05:23:28 PM

i like Howard but... by newc0253	Oct 28th, 2008 05:32:00 PM
Howard's a great actor but his character in Iron Man? A little flat, to be honest. Cheadle, on the other hand, has never anything less than great in everything i've seen him in. the way i sees it, Iron Man was a great first flick but if they'd had Cheadle in the role the first time, it would have been even stronger...
Iron Man 2 has more serious problems... by Zandunga	Oct 28th, 2008 05:36:19 PM
...than continuity. It can be slightly jarring to not have the same actor in a sequel (see Maggie G in Dark Knight who didn't connect with the broader arc, much as she is 10 times the actress Katie Holmes is), but Cheadle will be better. Howard was just too damn fey and effeminate; I'm no gay-basher but it didn't go with the character. However, the serious problem with IM2 is that it's being rushed. They're not taking the time to develop it, write it, re-write it, and plan it out to perfection. It's all about product now, having a product ASAP to cash in on previous success. In their extremely tight schedule, they're going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, just as with X3 and those awful Batman sequels. You don't want a huge cast in an Iron Man movie - the inclusion of War Machine is fine, but you don't want an expanded role for Sam Jackson's Nick Fury or any of the SHIELD/Avengers fluff. Keep the focus on Tony Stark, on who he is and what he wants, as opposed to teaming him up with a crapload of other people and diluting the formula in a lame JLA-type feature.
Better get to work on those other movies... by sonnyfern	Oct 28th, 2008 05:36:43 PM
They have to establish Thor and Captain America before The Avengers comes out!
Terrance Stamp got the raw deal on this... by Alkeoholic77	Oct 28th, 2008 05:37:03 PM
and I'm not talking about the cinematic achievement starring Arnold.
Woo hoo! Is it 2011 yet? No? Going back to bed... by br1947	Oct 28th, 2008 05:38:25 PM

Terence Howard Earned this role by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 28th, 2008 05:39:17 PM
And it's a damn Shame that the Director. Who presents himself as a person who befriends others like a brother, can't stand up and fight for Terence to see him reprise his role. I love Don as an actor too, but I'm not cool with this. Not one bit! I think about all those Dinner for 5 episodes with Fav's and how he seemed around the other guest at the table. Why isn't there a video of him saying something about this or better yet a video with him and Terence in the same room talking about it. After Jon made Iron Man he came out and he thanked the fans for the support, he showed up at random showings with Robert Downey Jr. to shake peoples hands and ask them what they thought of the film. That is the Jon I'm hoping is real. That Jon should be awful upset about this choice and he should be doing everything he can to see Terence return. Again I like Don, but this reaks man. It really does. Jon we remember when you were overweight in Rudy, and a bit player before everything was "So Money" You've come into you own and it's a Thrill for us as well to see you finally Doing it. You seem to be one of us "A True Geek". Marvel would be foolish to cut you out. Use some of that power and the Fan's wishes to keep the players in game. Maybe Don can come in as another character, but Howard he is Rhodey. Take it back, Marvel/Fav. Take back what you said about Howard...
Have to agree Zandunga... by holden_oz	Oct 28th, 2008 05:41:47 PM
As much as I love the cameos and such, the story needs to focus on Stark. And rushed productions rarely turns out well. The best they can hope for is mediocrity that's supported by great acting.
and by Stamp I mean Howard... by Alkeoholic77	Oct 28th, 2008 05:44:24 PM
KNEEEEEL BEFORE WAR MACHINE!!
This confirms 2 more important things... by 2sdaychicken	Oct 28th, 2008 05:45:13 PM
There wil be more heroes besides CA, IM, Hulk and Thor, and Hulk will NOT be the villain.
why does AICN always try to convice us Favreau's a geek? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 28th, 2008 06:07:46 PM
I don't get it. I seriously doubt he is. Of course when anyone in Hollywood lands a job-- suddenly that character has been their favorite since childhood. Its politics.
DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY! by manicart1	Oct 28th, 2008 06:14:40 PM
Iron Man gotta eat! Nails and empty tin cans and stuff like that...
Cheadle is also signed on to perform the same role in THE AVENGE by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 28th, 2008 06:14:41 PM
Hehehehe.....don't count on it fucker.
you people defending a lack of continuity.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 28th, 2008 06:17:52 PM
....sure Empire would have been great with a replacement Han, eh?
Can't believe they replaced Howard by jimmy_009	Oct 28th, 2008 06:18:47 PM
He was awesome in that role. Cheadle is cool, don't get me wrong, but what a way to screw over someone.
Some stupid exec fuck is grinning his ass off at the Terrence sw by Monkey_King	Oct 28th, 2008 06:19:37 PM
and Cheadle could care less. He's gonna get paid to play a part that he's not perfect for at all, no matter his acting pedigree. Howard fit the physical profile of Rhodey perfectly, no matter if some of his scenes were trimmed or deemed unecessary for the first film. This is Favreau's mess. He should give Howard a back-end deal with less pay and abort Cheadle ASAP to save this 'now fucked' film sequel.
Just offer Favreau to direct The Avengers... by tremblays	Oct 28th, 2008 06:23:57 PM
oh and every other Marvel movies.
Terrence Howard is bad fucking ass... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 28th, 2008 06:28:10 PM
....he was perfect in the role. He played it smooth and confident. He didn't have to be outwardly aggressive, trying desperately to look tough. He just is. Anyone saying Howard is too feminine is a fucking douche bag. You're telling me Cheadle is intimidating? The fucking Hotel Rwanda guy? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet. Fuck that. I agree. This film is off to a bad start and Favreau showed his true money hungry colors with this one. Remember his little stunt on Howard Stern? Yeah. Greedy/opportunist fuck.
Upgrade!!!! by j2talk	Oct 28th, 2008 06:29:44 PM

Other than a possible tease for the Cap movie... by Shermdawg	Oct 28th, 2008 06:34:54 PM
....I have little to no interest in the film now that Howards gone.
So we'll have another nice, well made, slightly dull Iron Man. by Smerdyakov	Oct 28th, 2008 06:41:13 PM
Sue me, but although Favreau is craftsmen like, he really lacks an original spark.
Who cares about Jon Favraeu by xevoid	Oct 28th, 2008 06:42:30 PM
and whether or not he is the same Jon Favreau that is Obama's speechwriter. What I want to know is whether or not Sarah Palin is related to Michael Palin of monty python fame.
Don't know what the situation is. by Devil'sOwn	Oct 28th, 2008 06:43:16 PM
I liked Howard as Rhodey. Cheadle is a solid performer, hopefully he'll handle this well. It is too early to tell what they're going to do with these properties. One has cause to be hopeful, but these things have a way of going through a difficult process. I try to prepare myself for alarming reports in the future.
Jared Leto for Captain America by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 28th, 2008 06:46:14 PM
And get Fincher to direct The Avengers. I want to see what he would do with a superhero flick. Spiderman would've been so much better if he hadn't passed on it.
At least 'Iron Man' had some Iron Man in it by slone13	Oct 28th, 2008 06:46:19 PM
Dark Knight was sorely lacking in enough actual Batman screen time. Especially for a movie titled "THE DARK KNIGHT".
Hey Favreau - STOP ACTING LIKE A HOLLYWOOD DICKHEAD! by geraldbeans	Oct 28th, 2008 06:49:11 PM
What happened to the cool aww-shucks guy who wrote Swingers? When did he turn into such a dick? Just so you know, you come off as a Hollywood director who thinks he's the shit. And when you fall with your next film - people are going to be quick to pounce on you because of it. And you will fall. Everyone in Hollywood does. So stop acting like you're the shit and show a little humility. People will be more gracious to you on the way down.
WINGS ON THE HELMET by iwontwin	Oct 28th, 2008 06:50:03 PM
There better be some wings on caps helmet, or ill boycott!
Fav's at the mercy of Marvel by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 28th, 2008 07:04:39 PM
He's playing ball. He was obviously told that Iron Man 2 is coming out May, 2010 and he can either film it or fuck off. From what i've read, he wanted to delay it a year to work on the script. But he didn't want to lose the gig. So, hopefully he can get it together and do justice to the first one. And who the fuck knows why Howards been replaced? Maybe he walked? Maybe he's an asshole that no one wanted to work with again? Yes, it's a shame, but he didn't impress me in the first one. Cheadle will be fine. Anyway, it's called Ironman, not Jim Rhodes. If Downey was getting replaced then it'd be a different story.
How can people be so by ChezKing	Oct 28th, 2008 07:07:50 PM
fucking stupid??? How can so many people have such strong opinions about something they know nothing about??? It's absolutely fucking incredible. No one knows anything about the circumstances of recasting the character of Rhodes. Leave it alone until some real info comes out, but until then....shut the fuck up.
early Iron Man 2 concept vid... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 28th, 2008 07:16:19 PM
Anyone see this from latino review? http://tinyurl.com/665fvu
I don't think they'll have a problem getting Norton back. by Johnny Smith	Oct 28th, 2008 07:20:04 PM
Just the other day Lauren Shuler Donner was talking about Norton's multi-picture deal. He'll be back, but he probably won't be too happy about it, ie The Italian Job.
I would have chosen Chiwetel Ejiofor by Levene	Oct 28th, 2008 07:30:07 PM

Howard didn't need to be replaced by aversiontherapy2	Oct 28th, 2008 07:31:28 PM
No idea why they're messing with a good thing. I love Cheadle and I could understand the replacement if there was a good reason, it just seems like a whim.
I have faith in Favs by Chuck_Chuckwalla	Oct 28th, 2008 07:36:01 PM
He understands how to adapt a comic book for screen because he proved it with the first one. I just hope that they (Marvel) allow him to do it his way. Take note Marvel, I still won't buy a Spider-Man 3 DVD, Blu-ray, action figure, video game or any other product relating to that mess of a movie. Don't fuck with the director's vision. Fans can see through that bullshit and hit you where it hurts.
Thor should be played by Alexander Skarsgard by Miyamoto_Musashi	Oct 28th, 2008 07:39:26 PM
Anyone seen the latest episode of True Blood and seeing how he looked in his role as an old viking vampire, tall, reasonably muscly with longish blond hair, he just looked like he was ready to play Thor
What is the thoughts on the storyline for Avenger movie ? by Miyamoto_Musashi	Oct 28th, 2008 07:40:52 PM
Similar to that Ultimate Avengers cartoon movie or something else ?
Lucky bastard Favreau, in Bora Bora with Malin Akerman by Pennsy	Oct 28th, 2008 07:41:35 PM
and Kristen Bell; they're filming Couples' Retreat.
Cheadle and Howard / @Levene by Dominic-Vobiscum	Oct 28th, 2008 07:42:45 PM
I'm a little disappointed by this. I'm sure Cheadle will do fine because he's a gifted actor, but Howard just fits the role so much better. Chiwetel Ejiofor would have been a much better choice, but probably isn't "high profile" enough for the suits to have even considered him.
I hate it when a film by dirtsandwich	Oct 28th, 2008 07:43:28 PM
has changed an actor. Even though I have nothing against Maggie in TDK, I was used to Katie for the role. I think it was a cruise thing why she didn't return. Not because she was busy doing some stupid money flic or her kid. I think Tom read the script and didn't like a few things. 1. This would probably be bigger then any movie Cruise has done, 2. Christian Bale/kissing plus Heath Ledger, and Aaron Echart, all dudes that would like to rub on her box, 3. She dies in the film. Fucked in the head Cruise/Scientology BS of taking shit to seriously. Don Cheadle is great and will do fine but Howard was perfect and again the one I got used to. Other switcheroos: Batman 2/3/4 ,T2/T3/T4, Silence Lambs-Jodie Foster/Hannibal-Julliane Moore, The Oracle-The Matrix/Rebloated, BttF-Jennifer McFly/ BttF II & III.
M-O-O-N. That spells "Bana was on a multi-picture deal too" by TomCullen	Oct 28th, 2008 07:44:04 PM
And they didn't even bother to tell him when his option wasn't picked up for the second Hulk film, he had to read about the "franchise reboot" and the recasting at the same time as everyone else. He also said that while he wasn't so worried about it himself, he felt kinda bad for his co-stars Sam Elliot and Jennifer Connolly, with them being dumped the same way.
"There better be some wings on caps helmet, or ill boycott!" by Shermdawg	Oct 28th, 2008 07:45:52 PM
I wouldn't go that far......but I'd be extremely disappointed if they were absent.
Iron Man: most entertaining movie this year? by Amy Chasing	Oct 28th, 2008 08:29:24 PM
Yes. I think so.
Musashi! by Devil'sOwn	Oct 28th, 2008 08:30:40 PM
Skarsgard's definately got that Nordic look down. As long as we're casting from television actors, I'd like to suggest Ryan McPartlin from Chuck as Captain America.
THE AVENGERS MOVIE = JUSTICE LEAGUE = SHIT by Wilclas	Oct 28th, 2008 08:34:50 PM
...it´s gonna look ridiculous. You people just don´t wanna believe it.
Ant Man will probably be in there too. by Rupee88	Oct 28th, 2008 08:40:48 PM
I'm too lazy to pull up a pic of teh Avengers #1, but of course Cap, Iron Man, Thor and Hulk are the big four. We haven't seen Captain America yet onscreen and I don't know how he won't be goofy...Thor may even be harder to pull off. A guy in cool armor and a big green guy were actually the easiest.
Chuck_Chuckwalla by Rupee88	Oct 28th, 2008 08:43:28 PM
"Fans can see through that bullshit and hit you where it hurts." Yeah like with X3 that was crap and made 1 kazillion dollars? Iron Man 2 will make bank whether it sucks or not.
people=shit by Devil'sOwn	Oct 28th, 2008 08:47:27 PM
Good Slipknot song. So how's it gonna look ridiculous, Wilclas? Make me a believer! After all we've seen, how can Cap, Thor, etc. look "goofy" compared to other genre films?
NODIGGITY PREDICTS !!!! by NoDiggity	Oct 28th, 2008 08:53:30 PM
There is only one thing that makes everyone think Favreau is a genius. He insisted on casting Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark. Mark my words, he'll fuck up this franchise by being an arrogant dumbass who thinks that he poops ice cream. Singer went on from X-Men to fuck up Superman. Favreau will fuck up Iron Man. That superhero only had one movie in him anyway.
THESE CHARACTERS WORK SEPARATELY... by Wilclas	Oct 28th, 2008 08:54:16 PM
... but not in the same movie universe. How does a technology-based film such as Iron Man can co-exist with THOR: THE FREAKING NORSE GOD? Once we mix these two realities, one "kills" the other. It can´t be done.
Enough about Obama, Harry! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Oct 28th, 2008 08:55:32 PM
Do you dream of boning this ultra-liberal LIAR? Jeez...give it a rest!
WTF Wilclas!?! by 2sdaychicken	Oct 28th, 2008 08:56:02 PM
I can guarentee you this will look, feel, and be better than any other film EVER. Having Marvel characters together not only DOESNT look ridiculous, but it will look perfect. I am getting goosebumps thinking about it. Pure amazing.
Suspension of disbelief. by Amy Chasing	Oct 28th, 2008 09:06:04 PM
Is what it's all about. You can have The Avengers movie work as long as the people making it know how to portray the story as a movie. It's the difference between Spider-Man (a comic book adaptation) and Spider-Man 2 (a movie). I'm not the only one who preferred the latter. If they can make me believe what I'm watching, you can put Captain America in a fridge and have it bounce away from a nuclear explosion... hey, it could be filmed right. Couldn't it?
I´M ALSO GETTING GOOSEBUMPS THINKING ABOUT THE AVENGERS MOVIE... by Wilclas	Oct 28th, 2008 09:06:29 PM
... but I suspect not for the same reason as you, 2sdaychicken! : ) Sorry man, I guess we´ll have to agree to disagree! But hey, who knows? I hope the future prooves me wrong...
I Am Not A Comic Guy - Who Do Avengers Fight In Comics? by BojTrek	Oct 28th, 2008 09:17:35 PM
I really knew nothing about Iron Man prior to the movie. I knew he was a rich dude in the suit with no super powers. I did not know of the Avengers. I am not a comic book guy but love the movies. Who do the Avengers fight in comic books?
dirtsandwich... matrix Oracle.. come on by MurderMostFowl	Oct 28th, 2008 09:32:28 PM
The actress died. I think they handled it pretty ok... Personally I think they could have done better. They should have not said anything and made the oracle a little girl or an old mexican guy or something completely different and have no one but Neo realize that it is a different person. THAT would have been cool. But anyway don't be hard on shows where the circumstances were beyond their control.
Chiwetel Ejiofor by Bloo	Oct 28th, 2008 09:36:16 PM
should be Black Panther directed by David Mamet sorry I just got done watching Redbelt, that movie was fucking Amazing anyways, Chiwetel Ejiofor as Black Panther directed by David Mamet, I don't care if Kurtzman and Orci write the script even I'd be happy right there
I just watched it again on BlueRay and there's by FILMFUNK	Oct 28th, 2008 09:38:53 PM
Nowt Wrong with Terrence Howard! an't see Cheedle doing anything better with the role!? The Movie loses a lot of impact from the big screen but is a fine superhero film.
Avengers will be one of the biggest movies of all time by hallmitchell	Oct 28th, 2008 09:43:28 PM
It can't be stopped. I liked Terence. Does anyone know for a fact why he's off Iron Man 2? I would love to see Dr. Doom show up. Iron Man is one awesome script.
Isn't Cheadle kid of old for the role?? by picardsucks	Oct 28th, 2008 09:45:33 PM
Think he is a fine actor but not sure if I buy him as a hard nosed military liason. Dunno I think Cuba would be better in the role. Sure the film will fucking own. Hope they make Iron Man more powerful in the second film. Wanna see him tossing around tanks not struggling to hold up a minivan. Also loved the suit but I would like to see it more sleek more dexterous. -That is all
stereotypical talkbacker, you're no Evil Archer by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Oct 28th, 2008 09:47:11 PM
I know Stereotypical Evil Archer, because I talked to him in the mirror; he's kind of an idiot.
John Cleese is rumored to be writing Obama's by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 28th, 2008 09:48:49 PM
Presidential Acceptance Speech. He extended the offer to Obama. It's on IMDB in the forums under Cleese's profile. That's the first thing that popped into my head when I read this article. Wanted to say something about it in my first post, but I was and still am too pissed about Howard being cut. Way to support the team Fav. You have power, damn it! Use it for good. Vince Vaughn stuck to his friend guns for you... Why can't you do the same for Howard?????
MurderMostFowl by dirtsandwich	Oct 28th, 2008 10:08:51 PM
As for The Matrix I mean it's difficult to accept someone else when you become used to them, regardless of why there was a change. I wasn't ragging on the studio for the actor change. They had no choice and they did handle it fine. But it sucks when there is a change, most of the time.
Maybe it's all just a pipe dream... by Devil'sOwn	Oct 28th, 2008 10:47:21 PM
Then again, maybe not! Every time a topic like this comes up, certain kinds of talkbackers surface to naysay, deliberately ignorant of the fact that some of the best movies ever made had casts in strange clothing. I dunno. I still believe, if done properly, a Norse thunder god and a Super Soldier would look pretty damn cool. Hell, they made a green behemoth and a guy in a metal suit work.
Miyamoto_Musashi by Carl XVI Gustaf	Oct 28th, 2008 11:27:45 PM
Yes, he should!
Howard claims he knows NOTHING about money issues by half vader	Oct 28th, 2008 11:44:20 PM
or why he was cut, and that the first he heard about it was in the press when apparently he'd already been replaced - but no-one had even broached the subject with him. So what is ACTUALLY happening? Harry? Anyone?
Terrence didn't bail,Marvel just wanted a cheaper actor by Wayne6000	Oct 28th, 2008 11:52:17 PM
I agree RDJ and Jon could and should've demanded Terrence be given his role back for Iron Man 2 and 3 before they signed on, but he has spoken about it and said he's personally offended. He said he did sign a contract with Marvel for a sequel, that they don't seem to want to honor and didn't make any outrageous salary demands. Sure they'd have to pay him a higher salary, but in light of how much Irom Man 1 has made, Marvel can afford it.
Fill Asgard with Skarsgard! by Carl XVI Gustaf	Oct 28th, 2008 11:53:58 PM
Alexander: 193 cm tall, nordic look, new talent, will sign up for more than one. Daddy Stellan as Oden. Brother Gustaf Skarsgård as halfbrother Loke. See Gustaf in 2003's "Evil".
I'm boycotting this shit because the way they treated Howard.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 29th, 2008 12:23:56 AM
....like a piece of shit. Seriously. They think no one came to Iron Man to see Terrence Howard....so fuck him. Lets get someone cheaper and make our pie a bit bigger!! I wouldn't doubt it if I found out Favreau and Downey were in on shit-canning him. Really fucked up play. And I will not pay to see this because of that shit. Terrence is an awesome actor. Too good for this shit.
Fuck You Marvel for dropping Terrance Howard! by ganymede3010	Oct 29th, 2008 12:35:07 AM
You fucking lousy pieces of shit. Don Cheadle isn't right for this role, eventhough he's an awesome actor. I'm stark raving mad right now. Fuck you Kevin Feige, and Fuck you too Jon Favereu or how ever else your shitty name is spelled.
Yeah! by Amy Chasing	Oct 29th, 2008 12:43:25 AM
It's all a conspiracy man. Boycott society! Become a hermit. Drink your own urine. Use multiple punctuation!!! Vote communist. Honk if you love Satan. I am your master now.
I just want to see Marvel Zombies on the big screen!!! by ludmir88	Oct 29th, 2008 12:48:06 AM
that would be the shit of the shit!
Those who hate Cheadle as Warmachine sign this petition by ganymede3010	Oct 29th, 2008 12:55:39 AM
Spread it to as many Howard fans as you can. http://tinyurl.com/5g77n3
So I'm the only one by offput	Oct 29th, 2008 01:09:48 AM
who though that Terrence Howard didn't do great in Iron Man? I thought his smoothness was too easily mistaken for indifference. Cheadle can walk that line much more delicately based on his past work. Either way, let's all just wait and see. I'm betting it'll turn out great. And enough about Jon Favreau becoming a Hollywood Asshole. Recasting a character doesn't mean he's an asshole. Either he had budget constraints that required going to a lower profile actor, or the studio demanded he go with someone else for one reason or another, or he wasn't in love with Howard's performance. I'm betting the latter; I could be wrong, but even if I am, it doesn't change the fact that Howard is out and Cheadle is in. So get over it. You know you're going to go see Iron Man 2 anyways.
< sigh> show-biz petitions... by Amy Chasing	Oct 29th, 2008 01:10:37 AM
and Tinkerbell flutters down and whispers to you "It can't hurt to try".
Just put Cheadle in Iron Man 1 by zyuray2	Oct 29th, 2008 04:14:10 AM
Make a "Director's Cut" DVD with all Terrence Howard scenes reshot with Cheadle. There's your continuity folks.
Avengers needs to have by YeahSureWhatever	Oct 29th, 2008 05:59:37 AM
Vision and Scarlet Witch And Wonder Man Oh, and Ultron as the baddie.
The black superhero in the age of Obama by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 29th, 2008 06:14:06 AM
Enough of this sidekick shit. We need more A-list black superhero movies. Where's Black Panther:the Movie? Where's Luke Cage: the Movie? Where's...um...where's...
I'll wait to see how it works out with Mr. Cheadle by just pillow talk	Oct 29th, 2008 06:43:14 AM
but I can't imagine me missing Howard, because really, he didn't add anything to the first Iron Man. I don't think he "made" the role, so I think it's no big deal that they replaced him for whatever reason.
Chishu_Ryu by cripeman	Oct 29th, 2008 07:35:44 AM
Black Vulcan...he's not doing anything since Harvey Birdman ended.
Cheadle IS a better Rhody by ScottinDC	Oct 29th, 2008 07:49:25 AM
With all apologies to DGDB, Terrence Howard was NOT a great Rhody...he was decent but not amazing (the only people who would call him great in Iron Man are just inherent fans that probably loved him in 'The Brave One' too). The script simply didn't give him much to work with - and unfortunately, Terrence is rather famously difficult on set which led to his being excused from future Favreau projects. Don Cheadle is a good choice and will do well...he may even be better because of his raw energy and enthusiasm.
CAPTAIN AMERICA...could...be the BEST of the bunch. by JDanielP	Oct 29th, 2008 08:05:52 AM
Too bad Christopher Nolan is busy.
Fickle fuckin' fanboys are hilarious by half vader	Oct 29th, 2008 08:35:04 AM
Go back through all those IM TBs from when it came out when everybody (besides the cooler-than-thou-everything-is -shit types) said the film was the best thing ever. Try to find anybody saying Howard was so lousy or even "just decent"/serviceable/whatever.. . Nope! But someone mentions an alternative that didn't occur to ANY of you and you're all over it. Not to mention the part couldn't and SHOULDN'T have been played bigger/better - a good actor knows that when they're playing a supporting part even in a single scene they don't chew the stuff themselves. Jesus you guys. Not only are you sucking Cheadle's dick (yeah sure he's great, that's not the point), but you can't do it without shitting on Howard (who's ALSO great)! Can't you hold the concept in your heads that one thing can be good WITHOUT the other thing being crap? I guess not, judging by the Iron Man vs DK simpleton wars. Most of you don't even get that it's two different takes on the same bloody character. Yet when it DOES come to fanboy casting you can't think your way past "looks like = IS". Too funny that now you're all casting dispersions, and also ready to shit on Favreau so quickly "just in case" after venerating the guy a few weeks or months before. I'm already preparing for the self-protecting Nolan shitstorm, WHATEVER he decides to do with the third Bats film... And to those who said Chiwetel Ejiofor after seeing Redbelt five minutes ago (not you Bloo) for the role, you fickle types would've said that was the worst thing ever if the last thing you'd seen him in was Kinky Boots. You'd all be wetting your fucking panties!
Dang, half vader. That's some funny stuff. by JDanielP	Oct 29th, 2008 10:02:45 AM
(--Partly because of the truth that's in it.) For the record, I loved both "THE DARK KNIGHT" and "IRON MAN" ...as both are excellent. And I, personally, will miss the continuity of Howard in IRON-MAN 2. (Both Howard and Cheadle are talented actors.) --And with THE DARK KNIGHT (as others have said), the recasting of a certain...key role...was a smart move (though an unfortunate evil, at the sacrifice of continuity).
So I just saw Iron Man by ArcadianDS	Oct 29th, 2008 10:37:29 AM
Im officially the last geek alive to see it - it finally showed up in that dvd vending machine outside McDonalds. Movie was fantastic, but started coasting on neutral after Stark escaped from captivity. The opening 'here's who this guy is for all you people who never read a comic book' montage was just brilliantly written. Terrence Howard is HORRIBLE in this movie. He is the ugliest black woman in Hollywood, and has the voice of a mermaid extra from a Barbie: Mariposa dvd. That character should have been lean, mean and full of piss and vinegar - Jesse Ventura in his prime in blackface would have been a better casting choice, straw hat and ballads about his mammy included. Don Cheadle isn't much of an improvement, but you could cast a feral tomcat in the role and still take par for the hole. One of my favorite DVD features are the deleted scenes. Its a window into the editing process. Generally, these scenes will ADD to the movie you just watched, but in Iron Man, every single deleted scene I watched, I said to my wife, "yeah I totally see why that was cut." which says something about Favereaughxlxss's skills in the editing room. He finds the fat, and trims it perfectly - and presents you with a fine, lean cutlet of a movie. But in Iron Man 2,can we just have him built 1 suit and use it? He spent 89% of this movie building flying combat armor with a soldering iron, with little to no explanation why he needed a new design. And if his bat-computer can actually automate the manufacturing process, how about a scene in his warehouse full of ready-to-go iron suits? I always assumed Tony Stark had, at any moment, over 100 suits ready for use.
Last chance, Favreau by Abominable Snowcone	Oct 29th, 2008 10:51:36 AM
I'm RDJr's doppleganger. Look just like him, and since high school (over 25 years ago) I've had to put up with people telling me "Hey, you look like..." So if you need a stand in or stunt double, I'm your guy. You can whip me, beat me, punch me, whatever, because I respect RDJr and enjoyed the first Iron Man. Call me. Ask harry for my email. Don't settle for just a regular old half-good stand in.
Come on Marvel! Bring Howard Back!!! by Moboada	Oct 29th, 2008 11:03:52 AM
I'm a fan of continuity so here's a futile and useless attempt to bring Terrance Howard back. All you others who agree with me, sign this useless petition. Others who disagree...well you're getting Cheadle so shut up. http://www.howardnotcheadle.co m/Site/IM2WM.html
The Big Bad in Avengers is the IRS??? by Snake Foreskin	Oct 29th, 2008 11:04:59 AM
As far as I know, the IRS is the biggest baddie around. I hope they give Rhodey a mullet! A War Mullet!
I admit when I'm wrong. So I'm doing it now. by JDanielP	Oct 29th, 2008 11:15:10 AM
Allow me to start where I was so obviously wrong. As laughable as it is now, I was against the casting of Ledger as the Joker and RDJ as Tony Stark. At the time, I just didn't see THE FULL TALENT RANGE of Ledger. And as for RDJ, I felt it was more of a physical presence kind-of-thing, in that the role of Tony Stark requires leadership qualities. But RDJ's performance was amazing...and the IRON MAN suit did the rest. (It was a subtle touch...but it was great that the IRON-suit added a bit more height. So, more kudos to all involved in that process.) --Gripes that I've had with Nolan's vision for Batman are few...but the Bat-suit design continues to be my #1 nit-pick. (Computer touch-up or otherwise, thank god they got rid of the "bra" look the costume once had.) The Bat-suit/costume isn't bad. But I argue, however, that it should be freakin' cool (while maintaining Nolan's functional approach). (This would be so EASY to illustrate...and if I was more computer savy and had the ability to up-load an image, I would do that.) And I realize that if Nolan exaggerates the cape too much,...if Nolan attempts a more visual, artistically-staged approach, we then LOSE the more plausible, life-like interpretation (that Nolan has found success with). And this same rule goes along with choreography, as well. --So, at this point, all I ask of Nolan...is that the Bat-suit gets the attention it deserves. And just maybe...it wouldn't hurt to look at a movie like David Fincher's "SE7EN" ...and consider uses for Batman's awesome silhouette(s) and shadow(s).
Cheadle is too small! Michael Clarke Duncan for War Machine! by Snake Foreskin	Oct 29th, 2008 11:15:13 AM
Not really. But I bet he would have made a great bad guy in a Daredevil movie! Oh, wait... Never mind. Seriously though, Terrence Howard was good, but a bit too light in the loafers to be War Machine. He was too much like Cuba Gooding, Jr. In other words, a pussy! I kept expecting him to yell SHOW ME THE MONEY, TONY! And then rifle through his underwear drawer to see if he wears Hanes. But here's your answer: Replace RDJ with Tom Cruise and Terrence Howard with Cuba Gooding, Jr. And Pepper Potts can be played by Renee Zellwegger. It'll be a Jerry McGuire sequel and an Iron Man sequel all rolled into one! Can you imagine the box office on that? Then all you need to do is replace Sam Jackson with Kurt Russell as Nick Fury... Hell, yes! Nick Fury with a mullet!
Goddamn Whoever Put RObert Duvall in Four Christmases by Aquatarkusman	Oct 29th, 2008 01:51:19 PM
I haven't laughed so little since my grandmother's wake.
Howard got replaced because he wanted to much $$$$$$$$ by BurgerKing	Oct 29th, 2008 02:22:13 PM
I read it somewhere the other day in an interview with him, he claimed that he got screwed out of his rightful pay, which is entirely possible with Marvel. Then again, he also could be a greedy bastard. Sorry if someone already posted this but your dreaming if you think I'm going to read through all these posts to see if it's been posted.
Marvel also knows you guys are bluffing by BurgerKing	Oct 29th, 2008 02:24:29 PM
You're not actually going to boycott the movie. Howard's role was so small in the first film, most people won't even notice the change. They know as soon as they give you a glimpse of Iron Man and War Machine fighting you'll get all giddy and buy a ticket.
Iron Man: The Ultimate Edition by ZeroCorpse	Oct 29th, 2008 02:27:14 PM
In which they use CGI to insert Don Cheadle in place of all Howard's scenes as Rhodey. Also, there are more banthas.
It's a good time to be a comic geek by superzero	Oct 29th, 2008 02:33:06 PM
C'mon dudes and dudettes....I don't know about all of you comic geeks out there on the internets but....I've been collecting comics for 26 YEARS and have roughly 6,500(a WHOLE basement full)...I'm 31, married with 2 children...my "hobby" has taken a backseat in recent years in lieu of bills and food and housing...BUT I remember a time in the long long ago (the 80's) when I literally DREAMED of the day I could go to my local cinema and purchase a ticket for a Spider-Man movie (I have EVERY issue from '86-'97) or see a matinee of X-Men. Shit, I remember back in '95 or so, when HARRY had a column in the back of a magazine talkin' about Jim Cameron's Spider-Man that was coming out in the summer of '98!!! Yeah there were some duds (even tho I don't think spidey 3 was AS bad as some ppl think. But yeah, Daredevil was a steaming pile of Bantha shit!) But just being able to know that in the next 3-4 years I'll be able to take my children to see Iron Man 2, Captain America, Spidey 4 AND 5, Thor, Ant Man (still excited bout this one!) and the FREAKING AVENGERS!!!!??? Makes me just full of ...hrm?...what's the word? Oh, HAPPINESS! I really, really love comics. I've been blessed by Jebus to be able to WRITE them for a LIVING (meager as it may be) but to be able to see the joy a person gets from seeing one of these films, a person who may have never picked up a comic EVER, justifies my passion for comics and film. Thanks a lot Harry!!
BurgerKing by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 29th, 2008 04:07:16 PM
I won't boycott it specifically over Terrence. But I'm not gonna see it anyway. And I won't buy this shit. I bought Iron Man DVD the day it dropped and I have yet to open the fucking thing. Thinking back on it I have no idea why I enjoyed it in the theater. Its sorta lame.
Rupee88 by Chuck_Chuckwalla	Oct 29th, 2008 04:32:01 PM
Oh, no doubt people will see the movie and it will do well. But that's only part of the money they make. They make a lot off of licensing of geek paraphernalia — and if the movie sucks, people are less inclined to buy any. Just ask George Lucas and all the Jar Jar Binks beach towels he got stuck with.
Hell yeah, superzero! by Devil'sOwn	Oct 29th, 2008 05:08:47 PM
Hey, a member of the brethren! The masses will one day lay aside their mockery when they realize we're not all stereotypical nebs. I collected for a llloooonng time: Conan the Barbarian, The Avengers, Tomb of Dracula, Batman, Howard the Duck, Uncanny X-Men, New Teen Titans... Shame I still don't have that stuff, I coulda funded my way through college. I'm now a thirtysomething, I have my She-Devil and two beautiful hellspawn, and my former obsession has fallen to the wayside these past several years due to other priorities. This hobby has gotten damned expensive. I still try to keep up with the latest happenings in the field. Comics fandom is like the Mafia or the CIA- no one really leaves forever. Like you, I remember the bygone days when the concept of a superhero movie was only in my most fevered imaginings. I recollect the 90s was the time when the movie industry took notice of the Batman franchise and there was a push to make comic-themed movies. Oh, and how the fan publications speculated on which actors should be cast as our favorite comic book characters! But the problem was most of the actual films produced were made by untried talent and failed or succeeded on how well they translated on the screen. Some, like The Crow and The Mask, were modest successes. Others, like Judge Dredd and Tank Girl... well, the world just wasn't ready for them. The 2000s has seen the mainstream embrace geek culture, for better and worse. The iconic figures of our youth, Spider-Man, the X-Men, etc., have captured the attention of the world at large. Yeah, some of these adaptations have been less effective than others, but at least now I no longer joke about how I'll be a doddering grandparent by the time they make an Avengers movie. It's a very cool time indeed.
Cheadle is an upgrade by godzooka	Oct 29th, 2008 05:35:58 PM
imho. something off about Terrence, especially in a macho role.
Hell, forget this stuff, by half vader	Oct 29th, 2008 09:32:51 PM
I'm still trying to work Favreau out. Jewish guy that looks Italian, with a French name!
Support T. Howard by Zeds Dead Baby	Nov 1st, 2008 03:21:24 AM
If Marvel or the studio or the director wanted Cheadle then why didn't they just give him the Nick Fury role?? Like Sam Jackson isn't busy otherwise?? I'm boycotting this franchise. Yeah maybe, if I see Iron Man 2 or Avengers, etc. in the grab bin someday for $2.99, "previously viewed," I might indulge...??? Fanboys tend to be fair-minded. Terrence Howard's a fine actor. We deserve him back. No T. Howard... no more Iron Man... Hell, why stop there? Maybe I'll just stick to the DC flicks altogether. Let's boycott Marvel until they get real on this one!!
"Fanboys tend to be fair-minded" by half vader	Nov 1st, 2008 11:11:57 AM
Aha ha ha hoo ha! Oh boy. And in reference to comics-related things too... No offence buddy but that's a good one!

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