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An Update on Brian De Palma's THE BOSTON STRANGLERS!

Hope he does a better job than Black Dialia.(sp?) by GQtaste	Oct 26th, 2008 10:33:53 PM
Now that was a huge piece of shit!
Josh Harnett gets to play grown up again! by canucklehead	Oct 26th, 2008 10:36:16 PM
God save us all.
Josh Hartnett.. by Harold-Sherbort	Oct 26th, 2008 10:44:45 PM
..isn't still involved with The Rum Diary is he? Is that movie still in the works? WHAT THE FUCK?!!
Dahlia is underrated, dammit by Nasty In The Pasty	Oct 26th, 2008 10:59:47 PM

Josh Hartnett's DEFINITELY doing this! by Player 1	Oct 26th, 2008 11:00:18 PM
Someone read this book, and laugh with me, or cry, even....
The Black Dahlia improves on a 2nd viewing by Powers Boothe	Oct 26th, 2008 11:14:44 PM
I saw it in the theatre back in 2006 and hated it. Watched it HD on Starz or Showtime recently and really enjoyed it. Second viewings can sometimes be quite illuminating.
Gloss over the Punisher War Zone hatchet job... by Spacker Dave	Oct 26th, 2008 11:40:53 PM
Hurd is a STUDIO fan, not a COMIC fan. Can't someone get Lexi Alexander out of this ridiculous gag order and comment on the butchering of her movie by this evil being?
How can anyone spell incorrectly these days? by Riley Martin	Oct 26th, 2008 11:47:18 PM
Especially when posting on the internet. Unless GQtaste just wanted to be 'first' and in their haste, didn't want to check :D
so, it's Zodiac, but in Boston? by BadMrWonka	Oct 27th, 2008 12:10:16 AM
and with crappier cinematography and lots of zoom shots, presumably...
Riley Martin by BadMrWonka	Oct 27th, 2008 12:17:30 AM
I know! when I misspell a word, guess what? it's underlined for me. are these people writing on an Apple IIc+? and one of my biggest pet peeves is when people misspell things and write (sp) next to them, and they aren't even PHONETICALLY correct. it's so lazy, when you see someone try to write a word like "gorgeous" and they write "goreguos" or some shit. if you pronounced that, it would sound like "gor-ee-goo-us". so how could that POSSIBLY be the correct spelling? at least fucking TRY to spell it. don't just mash your fist into the keypad and HOPE a discernible word comes out. (see right there, I misspelled discernible as discernAble, and it UNDERLINED IT AND I FUCKING FIXED IT!! can you tell I taught high schoolers how to write essays for 2 years? the horror...the horror
Nasty In The Pasty and Powers Boothe by StraightToHell	Oct 27th, 2008 12:36:45 AM
Amen there. The first viewing on The Black Dahlia left me pretty cold. Loved the visual style and De Palma can still pull out an awesome set-pies in his sleep (i.e. the discovery of the body as the shootout takes place in the foreground), but something didn't click with me the first time. But upon subsequent viewings the movie started to take hold with this weird, fucked-up vibe that it has. Not an all-out success like some of De Palma's masterpieces (Scarface, Carlito's Way, Untouchables, Blowout) but certainly nowhere near the disaster many made it out to be.
And speaking of Carlito's Way by StraightToHell	Oct 27th, 2008 12:46:59 AM
Just watched it again not too long ago, and the shootout in the back of the barber shop is still one of the greatest suspense sequences ever filmed. The way De Palma sets up the fact that Carlito sees someone in the bathroom and immediately realizes that this is a set-up, and then has to play it cool while trying to figure out how to get out alive, is just astonishing. I love the way Carlito sets up this fake trick-shot, which then plays out beautifully when Carlito's takes out the two pool playes. The cinematography and the music in this is just perfect. A knock-out movie moment. Of course, De Palme then proceeds to top this sequence tenfold with the whole chase in the finale. Just a superb film.
he's better when it's all nonsense by welbrick	Oct 27th, 2008 03:36:39 AM
i don't think depalms's perspective really lends itself to the real world. he's such a brilliant stylist; i think his point of view is best left to dream logic &/or movie logic. when he's relying on reality, his direction feels artificial, stagey in a dishonest way. this contrivance works beautifully in films like 'body double' & 'femme fatale' cus they're about film - which is what the man is really interested in. but i don't think his aesthetic translates so well in 'the black dahlia' or 'casualties of war', where he's striving to tell a compelling, realistic story.
StraightToHell by ledbetter51	Oct 27th, 2008 04:29:17 AM
Mmmm... set-pies [drooling sound]
the black dahlia by max404	Oct 27th, 2008 04:38:51 AM
will slowly but surely be regarded as a classic. which happened with a lot of De Palma's movies (the ultimate example being 'scarface' which was bashed at it's release). The choir that's bashing his films is always largely filled with people simply copying each other's opinion instead of having one thelmself. period.
Brian De Palma made a few solid movies by palewook	Oct 27th, 2008 05:42:01 AM
and has spent a solid decade plus trying to make another one. wish Brian De Palma luck, he could use a hit.
No, max404 by comedian_x	Oct 27th, 2008 06:01:34 AM
the BLACK DAHLIA will never be regarded as a classic -- it is horribly miscast (Hartnett, Swank, etc.) and has a poor script that doesn't do the book justice. I say this as someone who loves De Palma (Scarface, Blow Out, Mission Impossible, Untouchables, and Snake Eyes are my favorite) and it just doesn't hold up to his other true classics.
I really liked The Black Dahlia by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 27th, 2008 08:27:21 AM
Being a film noir fan, I appreciated it. It was as if De Palma went back to 1947 and made a noir in color with sex and violence. I can understand why people hate it (because the acting is over the top, much like a 40's noir), and the script is definitly scaled down compared to the epicness of the novel, but I still liked it. I guess people were expecting another LA Confidential, and this film was done in a totally different sytle. In a way the Black Dahlia shares a lot with a film that came out around the same time, the Good German. Both were good throw back films that were dismissed back in '06.
"so, it's Zodiac, but in Boston?" by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 27th, 2008 08:30:59 AM
If you're going to knock De Palma, cinematography is the last area to do it. His work with Stephan Burnum and Vilmos Zsigmond is some of the best of the past 30 years of cinema. And I don't know where you're getting the zooms from. Other than Redacted (in which it was done as an obvious nod to Barry Lyndon), I can't name one De Palma film with zooms.
Uh, any word on his script for the POTP remake? by Anna Valerious	Oct 27th, 2008 09:24:16 AM
Just curious...
The Black Dahlia... by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 27th, 2008 09:49:28 AM
showed how hard it is to adapt Ellroy. That film just plain does not work, despite De Palma having his moments (the discovery of the body scene is brilliant). LA Confidential is genius. How Helgeland managed to adapt the book is amazing. It hits all the same necessary plot points and arrives at the same conclusion (with one exception). Ellroy himself thought the book was unfilmable. Read it and ask yourself where you would start trying to make that into a usable screenplay.
I love De Palma a ton... by DanielKurland	Oct 27th, 2008 09:51:57 AM
And granted, he's made some bad movies lately, but they're not bad because of him. Black Dahlia for instance is absolutely gorgeous and visually fun as hell. It's a bad screenplay though. That he didn't write. I could go on for pages about the visual choices De Palma makes, and how they in turn lead to his movies raising several echelons. For example, Snake Eyes is not a good movie, but that 12 minute long opening tracking shot is a work of art. I bought the movie for that. If you give De Palma the right script, he'll deliver a good movie.
Someone should really mention Dressed to Kill... by DanielKurland	Oct 27th, 2008 09:57:56 AM
The only complaint I can actually recognize from De Palma haters is that he is just ripping off Hitchcock. Which I agree, is totally apt, but I've heard De Palma defend himself over this, and he does it quite well, and I'm willing to be forgiving when his films offer so much in terms of cinematography. Each of his films have at least a few really amazing examples. You'd think he invented the split diopter, like how Kubrick did the Steadicam. Also, say what you will about the acting in Black Dahlia, but Mia Kirshner and Aaron Eckhart do a fantastic job.
Michael Imperioli is DeSalvo's doppelganger! by blackmantis	Oct 27th, 2008 10:49:34 AM
He absolutely must play that part.
Compare DTK to Disturbia by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 27th, 2008 10:56:27 AM
And see what a true artist can do when inspired by Hitch.
The "Hitchcock plagarizer!" people... by Nasty In The Pasty	Oct 27th, 2008 11:00:52 AM
It amuses me that so many people complain about De Palma "ripping off" Hitchcock. Considering most of today's filmmakers want to be either Michael Bay or Brett Ratner, is it really that bad that De Palma appropriates cinematic devices from the GREATEST SUSPENSE FILMMAKER OF ALL TIME? I'd rather watch someone "ripping off" Hitchcock than the hyperactive visual bullshit of today's "thrillers". De Palma ALWAYS delivers the goods visually, even in his weakest films (like the aforementioned tracking shot at the beginning of the otherwise mediocre Snake Eyes). Dahlia has flaws (Fiona Shaw's hysterically dreadful performance mainly, although at least it's confined to only two scenes in the movie), but it was still a classy throwback to classic Hollywood noirs, and deserves some damn respect.
Imperioli would be brilliant casting by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 27th, 2008 12:18:34 PM
Let's hope he's on the list.
DePalma used up his talent a decade ago by Charlie_Allnut	Oct 27th, 2008 01:53:03 PM
Mission Impossible was very well done, and Snake Eyes was a passable pulp thriller, but he hasn't done anything good since. The Black Dahlia was miserable and Noir is my favorite genre (30's to present). Honestly The BD was incompetent film making, not the work of a master...which leads me to believe the well is dry.
Samuel Fulmer by Charlie_Allnut	Oct 27th, 2008 01:58:20 PM
Not to belittle you're opinion, but I think to compare The Black Dahlia to 40's noir is impossible - I mean come on you're going to compare it to: The Big Sleep, Murder My Sweet, This Gun for Hire, Laura, The Killers etc etc???? Watch LA Confidential for 40's style noir done right in a modern movie.
Uhmmmmm actually Charlie by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 27th, 2008 03:11:02 PM
I will compare Black Dahlia to 40's noir. Did I say it was as good as the films you listed..no. I did say that it is done in the same 40's style (acting, plot, dialogue, etc.) LA Condidential is not a 40's style noir done right. What exactly stylistically in Confidential makes you call it a 40's style noir. I can't think of one noir from the 40's you could compare it to in any way. LA Confidential is a progressive noir since it is done in a more realistic, less stylised 90's form. It's a great film, but it bears very little resembalance in any way to any of the films you listed. The Black Dahlia in a lot of ways is like those films (not in quality mind you, but in style).The acting in Black Dahlia is straight out of the 40's, which is why people hate it. The acting in LA Confidential is method acting straight out of 1997. I think that's why people loved LA Confidential and hated Dahlia. They were expected the more realistic tone of Confidential, but instead they got something that was a throw back to the old 40's noirs.
I was gonna suggest Adrien Brody by jackmac	Oct 27th, 2008 03:21:14 PM
but yes, Michael Imperioli would be perfect.
Film should open with credits by Garbage	Oct 27th, 2008 06:33:04 PM
rolling and "Midnight Rambler" by the Stones--the whole song. The full song should appear at least three or four times throughout the film, and there should also be a happy-go-lucky (no pun intended) montage featuring "Happy" or "Honky Tonk Woman" at some point. Yep.
Fulmer by Charlie_Allnut	Oct 27th, 2008 08:46:21 PM
I agree its not like those films in quality because its a piece of shit. And I think people hated Dahlia not because its not like LA Confidential but rather because its a piece of shit. That said perhaps I should suffer through the sorry excuse for a film to see if I can fathom what you are talking about stylistically. Perhaps you are right...but its still a crappy movie.
Dahlia and classic noir movies... by DanielKurland	Oct 27th, 2008 09:13:50 PM
Obviously this was De Palma's intention. All of the editing and transitions in the film are done how they would have been done back then.
Make a real movie, Brian by Boxcutter	Oct 27th, 2008 11:59:16 PM
De Palma will always get my buck, because there is always something, no, several things worth watching - even if, as in The Black Dahlia's case, it's a poor movie as a whole. But I'm running out of patience. He needs to make a solid, engaging piece of work again. Agree with whoever made the excellent point that real life isn't his metier; he works best in dream logic. How can you not get swept up DTK and Blow Out and The Fury. But now, just hanging around waiting for bravura set-pieces and admiring all the technical wizardry born of a fetishistic love of style and "film" aren't enough. Yes, Snake Eyes and Femme Fatale I'm talking to you. And even even without the likes of Hartnett, Shaw and Swank fouling up the screen every few minutes, Dahlia was a huge disappointment. Ellroy isn't unfilmable, but maybe unscreenplayable. LA Confidential was a great, great try and I think it earned much of its kudos for the fact that it didn't fuck up the dense, twisted beauty of the book too much. Oh, for a premium cable series of the LA Quartet, a nice 24-parter. And when is that crusty old bastard going to finish the next book? It seems decades since The Cold Six Thousand.
Ahhh by malpaso	Oct 28th, 2008 11:18:35 AM
Can we expect: killer sneaking up behind the victim as hero struggles, in EXTREME SLOW MOTION, to come to her aid (usually impeded by a large crowd or random people who seem to weigh 700lbs each), complete with overly dramatic Hitchcockian score?

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