24 is the one going the zombie route with Almeda.

I mean it takes comic companies like DC and Marvel years to get things in such a mess, they have "events" like Crisis of Infinite Earths etc.

Am a big fan of Hiro and Pete, but their powers for me are the main reasons its become so convoluted.

DO it like survivor, show it over the summer and have people voted off the show. And yes, they can vote for writers too. :p

I on the other hand, am hoping future creators learn the lessons of this show, but yeah I know, no chance.

In Heroes season 3, the main entertainment comes from predicting which character will suddenly betray their core motivation, arbitrarily change sides, stupidly ignore all their previous experience and/or otherwise make ridiculous decisions because the storyline requires it

I still find Heroes entertaining, and season 3 has been slightly more compelling than season 2. But this show is still a mess and there's only so long that one can rely on the goodwill of fans to keep watching.

Looking forward to the next two weeks in particular, as Heroes will be pre-empted November 3 for a SNL pre-election special.

"So when the cancellation order came down from the studio because of the poor ratings, well, it was just a nice coincidence really."

"I expect we can bring Heroes to the big screen in a year or two"

-- Tim Kring, bullshit artist.

this is for Pennsy

That or a 3-way. That would've been cool too.

Excuse me, I'll be in my bunk

Magic Rat: Sylar also has the same power, although manifested differently. Peter's power is the most 'evolved' of the three, because he shares powers, he doesn't take them (or kill the person to take them).

*rolls eyes*; NBC really doesn't have anything on the bench that the suckfests on their schedule will get free passes no matter how much they try to outdo Sylar. As in brain-sucking every last bit of our intelligence.

If Bell is shown the door, not only does Tim Kring make the Dean's List of 2008 TV Hall of Stoopid Decisions, but I'ma half-stride behind her and will bide my time until January 16 for BSG's final 10 episodes. Here's the URL: http://tinyurl.com/6rogqz.

Kring is actually pretty good about not getting in the way of actors ability to pursue a career outside of his show.

And on Mohinder and Tracy...It's easy enough to explain-he thought that she was just like Nikki...reaching out for humanity. Tracy is a little bit more manipulative.

Surprising (and highly uncharacteristic) amount of forethought on the part of the writers if that's the case, unless they've lucked it out, which appears to be more likely.

2)Daphne speeding in and out of the airport in front of the public was DUMB WRITING.

3)So, now Hiro has no qualms with going back in time? And why not freeze time when tryng to sneak up on someone? I know we wouldn't have a show, but the way they treat Hiro's powers is DUMB.

4)All that said, I was entertained. Arthur is pretty badass, kind of sad to see Adam go because I liked the actor. Course this is Heroes, they could probably bring him back if they really wanted to but now there's not really a point.

5)Peter still dumb as a brick. Got what he deserved, he never used his powers intelligently anyway. Maybe daddy will show him how it's done. I really want to see a confrontation between Sylar and Arthur now.

Don't worry! Noah shows up at the end to save the day with a credit card

Chuck has been self-consistent, hits the right tone for what it doing, and has likeable characters, well written dialog.

Heroes started to lose me last season when Claire and her flying buddy used their Hero-Powers to humiliate/frame a cheerleader so she could get on the squad herself so she had a plausible lie to tell HRG when she was sneaking out to see her boyfriend. WTF!?!?

I fear that not even Kbell can save Heroes if the writing does not improve. Who would have thought that Peter would become more annoying and stupid than Mohinder....?

Hiro should have stopped time before getting hit by the shovel instead of traveling back. Yes, a tad amusing, but really more stupid than funny.

2. I can live with Mohinder taking Tracy's hand, but then they just hang around so Mohinder can wake back up. A common incident of stupidity, not unique to Heroes.

Claire has a one-shot taser gun. And of course she just talks and postures instead of shooting the bad guy. Yeah, this is also typical, but it is still stupid.

Peter..well, pretty much everything Peter Petrelli does is stupid. I do like to say his name, though. And soon to be revealved...everyone in the entire cast is a Petrelli!

How did he get back home?
Yep, on an airplane.

Mama Petrelli was the one who had Hiro get Adam out ... but she's not working with Papa. So why did she get him out?
I think she had a few questions for him about last season's killing spree, and, what with his magic blood and all, that Level 5 was where she wanted him, but clearly she overestimated Hiro’s intelligence in sending him alone. (Man, they really need to get some better security on Level 5, for real, but I guess they’re running real low on bodies over there.)

So, does Papa Petrelli keep the powers he absorbs, or is it a temporary measure?
God, I hope not, because the ending seemed kind of like a Game Over scenario, with Papa Petrelli now having complete power over time and space, immortality, pre-cognition, the ability to “figure it all out,” fly, go nuclear, control minds, yada, yada. If he’s really got it all, he’s basically Satan On Ice now, so why does he even need a League of Bad Guys now? How could he possibly be stopped? Oh, sorry, it is not for Plot Hole Apologist Man to question why, but rather to apologize when the need arises.

Peter knows there are people with powers, knows it could easily not be his Dad at all but some doppelganger type, yet he just lets him walk up to him?!
It’s likely that Peter could read his Pop’s mind to the extent that he believed him to be real. It bears repeating that Peter has gone from very confused to seriously deranged, so doesn’t really know what he’s doing.

I would still like some explanation on where the kids in this show went? Last week they did still show us that Molly does still exist but what about Petrelli's kids and wife and good guy Matt Parkman is so over his wife and unborn child (that is probably born now) that he is ready to hook up with a much younger woman?
Yeah, that’s kind of how it goes in a bitter divorce. Just ask 90% of Hollywood actors.

Wait...but Nathan got his powers altered by a scientist, so how could he have the genetic material to pass on to Clai[re]…?
Indeed, this is what we’ve been told, that Nathan was given his powers, and that Claire is his daughter, but there’s no reason that he couldn’t have passed a mutation on once he had been mutated. Or, she did get them from her Mom, or Adam, or…, who knows? What exactly Clairebear is and how she came to be in this timeline has never been fully explained.

What’s with the Speedster zipping in and out of the airport? And how stupid is it that she can take someone’s hand and speed them along?
She’s so fast, nobody even sees her, or believes it when they do. I suppose her abilities are less physical in nature, and have more to do with manipulating the flow of time and space around her.

But couldn't he have snuck in and done a little spying before hand? The Petrelli's are all so damn hot-blooded.
Exactly. Powers manifest themselves most fully in moments of duress, as Monster Mohinder has discovered. When one uses one’s powers, it clouds the mind with adrenaline, a vicious cycle that leads to much idiot balling and casual villainy.

What was up with Mama Petrelli's dream in EP2? It had Tracy (or Barbara) apparently teamed up with Maury, fear-sucker, and Adam Monroe. But Adam is dead now. Can't see him coming back after that one.
The future has “changed” since then. Of course, it’s true that Adam does still exist in the past.

I also don't understand why African Isaac wants Hiro to bring him to the villains?
No, he didn’t, just said that you can either bring me to the villains, as was Hiro’s intention, or you can follow your own path, now that Issac has showed him their faces.

So, now Hiro has no qualms with going back in time?
I guess he’s toeing the waters a bit with little itty-bitty trips where he can do the least damage to the time stream.

And why not freeze time when tryng to sneak up on someone?
Well, he didn’t know where Isaac was, so I guess his idiotic plan was to call him out and then freeze time.

Apparently he is sorry? He changes in the future? If only our own legal system were so forgiving: So....you killed how many people to get more power? No matter, in the future you are some sort of totally gay dad, so we will not only forgive you, you can be our leader.

I can only think the Quinto as Spock thing has made the writers decide to give him the lead role Milo has done so poorly.

Good day to you Sir Winston!

Is Heroes a bad show - no. It is entertaining if you like this sort of thing. Thing is it used to be eagerly watched along side Life On Mars (British version). Now it's more on Ashes To Ashes level, if not worse. Sad when a show gets meh, but it happens to the best of them - Hustle, Bones, Scrubs, Stargate...

So far I think that the show is infinately better than last year just because of pacing. You have to admit that a lot of shit happens each week now. Of course a lot of it is silly shit, and a lot of it is shit that just doesn't jive with the established plot or characters. But its moving by God.

I'm trying hard to enjoy the show and I won't piss on it too much. I'm hoping that once that they have the battle lines drawn that they have produced some of their better work to tie up this arch.

Heroes has been best when there is human charater driven conflict exploding into super human character confrontations.

It seems to me like in trying to fix the lack of compelling conflict of last season that the first several episode of this year are really trying to reset the checkerboard. They have had a few bit plots like the puppit master and the bankheist that get resolved from week to week. But most of the plot is building a groundwork for future events. Are rgey doing a good job of it? I guess if your interested in whats going to happen it would be a good sign.

Right now I'm just as inerested if they can revive the show as I am about any of the plot. Either way I'm still watching for now.

I was getting my wife caught up so we could watch S3--she loved Season 1, and could not hardly stand waiting for S2 dvds---she completely lost interest midway thru the S2 set (and I was finding it torture to rewatch them). The low quality of S2, plus the strike's interruption caused audiences to go find things that they like better.