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Terrence Howard Won’t Play War Machine In IRON MAN 2!!

I can totally live with this! by Aloy	Oct 14th, 2008 12:11:56 AM
Don beats Terence any day.
Did RDJ and Fav refuse to use baby wipes? by reflecto	Oct 14th, 2008 12:12:44 AM
What the fuck, Terrence Howard? Your stock continues to plummet with me.
Are you kidding me?! by Aeghast	Oct 14th, 2008 12:13:19 AM
..hope not
Trading a good actor for an even better one by BillEmic	Oct 14th, 2008 12:15:31 AM
I love Don Cheadle. He's my favorite Pokemon. But this is going to make the Iron Man trilogy (c'mon, you know there will be a third one) a less than seamless viewing experience from start to finish.
love terrance howard by Leafy McPlantsalot	Oct 14th, 2008 12:15:59 AM
but cheadle is a WAY more believable choice. Wish he had been in the first flick. hate when they recast roles, even when it's for the best.
weird? by Errockk	Oct 14th, 2008 12:16:08 AM
kinda bizarre, but i guess i don't mind.
So.. by Aeghast	Oct 14th, 2008 12:17:16 AM
Cheadle is cheaper than Howard!? HahaHAhahAh
Like the rest of the world, Marvel got turned off by his signing by Big Bad Clone	Oct 14th, 2008 12:18:22 AM
Admit it, the minute you saw Terrence Howard on TV tryingto spin his acting into singing a la Jamie Foxx, your respect for him as an actor went down a little. Oh well, now I can hope they cast Chiwetel Ejiofor as the Black Panther in the Avengers so we can have another Ejiofor/ Cheadle movie. They lit up every scene of Talk To Me they had together.
LIES! FUCKING LIES! by caruso_stalker217	Oct 14th, 2008 12:18:23 AM
If Don "Overrated Motherfucking Hack" Cheadle shows up in IRON MAN 2 I will personally fly to his house and fucking burn it down. Where the fuck did this guy get all his cred? So he was nominated for a fucking Oscar. Who gives a fuck? Have you motherfuckers even SEEN "The Rat Pack"? He was fucking terrible in that movie! God DAMN it! FUCK!
Howard was a little to effeminate for Rhodes anyway by Optimus Primal	Oct 14th, 2008 12:18:25 AM
Howard's a great actor. But I dont think he was right for Rhodes. Hes A little too light in the loafers for that role. On top of that Cheaddle is a better actor. This is an upgrade imo.
You would have thought that by Wheel99	Oct 14th, 2008 12:19:03 AM
they would have signed all the princapals up for a multi picture deal.
Whatever... by The Eskimo	Oct 14th, 2008 12:20:17 AM
...just be as good as the first fil and I'll be happy.
Big Bad Clone by caruso_stalker217	Oct 14th, 2008 12:20:49 AM
I'd rather see Ejiofor play Black Panther AND Rhodes, then he could act out scenes with himself. That would be 10X better than anything Cheadle has done. Seriously, he's a better fucking choice for Rhodey than fucking Don Cheadle. MotherFUCKer.
don cheadle's better by WolfmanNards	Oct 14th, 2008 12:28:42 AM
seeya, howard
Chow Yun Fat would be the better choice by Frisco	Oct 14th, 2008 12:33:02 AM
I thought race and such didn't matter when casting comic adaptations at this point, hmm.
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. by Shermdawg	Oct 14th, 2008 12:34:23 AM

I love Cheadle, but WHAT THE FUCK??!? by ShiftyEyedDog2	Oct 14th, 2008 12:34:47 AM
I hate when they make sequels but screw up continuity. Howard woud've been great. But, if the gotta use somebody else, Cheadle's a great choice.
Continuity... RUINED! by Ribbons	Oct 14th, 2008 12:36:43 AM
jumps off building So, were Howard's asking fees THAT high, or what? This seems like a kind of drastic measure to take...
The Greatest New Actor Now Working Is Chiwetel Ejiofor by Media Messiah	Oct 14th, 2008 12:38:11 AM
Don Cheadle is played out!!! Chiwetel Ejiofor blows him away on any day. Don't believe me??? Watch Serenity, he will have you within the first minute that he appears on the screen. This guy is scary brilliant!!!
Don't they have contracts for this shit? by sonnyfern	Oct 14th, 2008 12:38:43 AM
Fuck it...Cheadles a badass anyway...
Uh....what?? by Lyghthouse	Oct 14th, 2008 12:39:28 AM
I like Don Cheadle, but he just is not the right person to replace Howard.
Media Messiah by caruso_stalker217	Oct 14th, 2008 12:40:03 AM
FINALLY. A fucking voice of reason.
I call bullshit by ShiftyEyedDog2	Oct 14th, 2008 12:42:06 AM
I'm betting it's like when they threatened to replace Tobey Maguire with Jake Gyllenhal when he was holding out for Spidey 2. My gut says we'll see Howard in IM2.
well this sucks by ranma627	Oct 14th, 2008 12:42:41 AM
I really like Terence Howard. I like both guys but I don't like the idea of switching actors ala Maggie Gyllenhaal and Katie Holmes.
Just get Downey to play both roles! by otm shank	Oct 14th, 2008 12:44:33 AM
He looks like Cheadle in blackface anyway.
PS-Speaking Of Continuity Issues For Iron Man by Media Messiah	Oct 14th, 2008 12:45:00 AM
They just need to write out the character and cast a new actor as a similiar influence on Tony Stark. The Powers That Be at WB should have done the same thing with the character Rachael from Batman. Continuity problems brought about by unnecessary cast changes aways make me lose interest in the films where such issues occur.
Howard sucked anyway by BauerJackBauer	Oct 14th, 2008 12:46:57 AM
Replace him.
Damn. by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	Oct 14th, 2008 12:47:15 AM
Maggie Gyllenhaal would have been a better choice. Or Maria Bello. Never heard of Howard before Iron Man but thought he did OK. So what if he's soft spoken. Cheadle's a good actor, but it's still a bummer they can't keep the continuity.
I thought Howard and RDJ had good chemistry by caruso_stalker217	Oct 14th, 2008 12:49:58 AM
It'd be a shame to fuck with that.
What about the guy who played Spawn? by groorgman	Oct 14th, 2008 12:50:45 AM
Michael Jai White? Or better yet since Samuel Jackson is Nick Fury. Lets make fucking Richard Simmons War Machine. Oh wait no he's better for Gambit with all those deal a meal cards....awesome!
Remember when Howard was cast first? by Shermdawg	Oct 14th, 2008 12:53:23 AM
A lot of us speculated, and were cool with the possibility of him being Stark.
Sounds like total win to me. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Oct 14th, 2008 01:02:17 AM
MUCH better choice.
I didn't like Howard much until Iron Man... by two fathoms deep	Oct 14th, 2008 01:02:32 AM
but I've always been into Cheadle. He could definitely pull off a badass War Machine.
I'll second Chiwetel Ejiofor by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	Oct 14th, 2008 01:02:56 AM
If they have to replace Howard. Saw Talk to Me on HBO in a hotel room. Mediocre movie but damn strong performances (from Cheadle and Ejiofor).
Cheadle is cheaper? by wash	Oct 14th, 2008 01:03:16 AM
Yeah I know, someone beat me but STILL. Both fine actors though. I bet Wes Snipe's agent is calling them up and saying he'll do it for 200K, but they'll have to film it in South Africa or some shit.
Oh man, Chiwetel Ejiofor as Black Panther? by the crucible	Oct 14th, 2008 01:09:46 AM
After watching Red Belt I would love to see that one. Great suggestion!
I didn't like Howard anyway... by PirateEmery	Oct 14th, 2008 01:12:06 AM
Someone hit it right on the head with the "light in the loafers" statement. Also, he said Iron Man was an anti-war movie. Did ANYONE get that vibe? I sure as hell didn't...
I 2nd that Howard's agent gave him bad advice on the payout. by The Founder	Oct 14th, 2008 01:12:32 AM
I think Howard may have requested to much money. I don't fault the guy, and IM was a hit and his agent probably went after more then he's worth. I like Howard and he's a good actor but he not box office draw. He's a good supporting character actor. Now will he ever be leading man, box office draw material? Probably not, but me thinks he's a stable career in the future. Don Cheadle taking over??? Well he certainly is a better actor but talk about a total jump. At least get an actor similar enough looking to Howard like that Efitol whatever his name is from Serenity, but Cheadle works good to.
ShiftyEyedDog2 by enderandrew	Oct 14th, 2008 01:15:37 AM
Toby didn't hold out. His back was hurt from an injury he received filming Seabiscuit. Sony said they wanted to hit their release date, and they wouldn't start filming late just so Toby would have time to recover. Either Toby did the film with a bad back, or if he couldn't do it, then he would be recast.
Howard is a weirdo by futureman3000	Oct 14th, 2008 01:17:52 AM
Cheadle rules
I don't think we can argue quality of actor... by Maestro610	Oct 14th, 2008 01:24:03 AM
Cheadle has better range and is a much more experienced actor. I did hear that there were many promises made to Terrence Howard regarding his role in Iron Man 2. A large bump in screen time and a guarantee to portray War Machine were likely put on the table. Then the "x"-factor of the incredible performance of the first film. His agent probably swung for the fences on this deal assuming he could get Terrance something in the neighborhood of what RDJ is getting. Cheadle is a fantastic actor... but I'd like to see WB work this out with Howard. If we must accept a casting change then at the very least they gave us a great actor to fill the role.
"I'd like to see WB work this out with Howard." by Shermdawg	Oct 14th, 2008 01:36:59 AM
Paramount, Maestro, Paramount.
Marvel, Shermdawg, Marvel by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Oct 14th, 2008 01:42:42 AM
I love when people who correct others are actually wrong themselves.
Shermdog: It's Marvel, not Paramount. by Rev. Slappy	Oct 14th, 2008 01:43:04 AM
Marvel produces Iron Man independently, Paramount just distributes.
This is just weird. by LordEnigma	Oct 14th, 2008 01:51:51 AM
Iron Man found the perfect cast right out of the box, and they fuck up the casting on the sequel? Really? Get the fuck out of here. Disenfecting this story in the sunlight. Will hopefully bring Rhodey back where he belongs... with TERRANCE FUCKING HOWARD! MAKE IT WORK MARVEL AND JON! MAKE IT FUCKING WORK!
caruso_stalker217 by BadMrWonka	Oct 14th, 2008 02:00:44 AM
Don Cheadle is a hack because of The Rat PAck movie? are you stoned? how about Traffic? how about Hotel Rwanda where he completely disappeard into the role? how about Reign Over ME, where he took a really complex part in a pretty mediocre film and completely elevated it? how about his hilarious performances in the Oceans movies? how about how he just KILLED an amazing part in Trator, that could easily have been pretty run of the mill? he made a murderous gangster hilarious in Out of Sight. he even did well on fucking ER, for christ sake. god, you've got to be really attention starved to call out don cheadle as overrated. I guess I shouldn't be encouraging you. just like a toddler, if you act out, I should just ignore it, and maybe you won't do it again. Don Cheadle overrated...jesus fucking christ. attention starved talkbackers are worse than the kids leaving racist comments on youtube just for attention. fucking ridiculous.
If we are talking black actors. Ejiofer is the king by most excellent ninja	Oct 14th, 2008 02:09:31 AM
all these young rapper/actors look up to Denzel who plays himself in every movie. Chiwetel Ejiofer is one of the best actors on the planet, regardless.
Never saw Howard as War Machine by billypilgrimisunstuck	Oct 14th, 2008 02:12:05 AM
Still think that. Love Cheadle, but not War Machine either. meh
How much money was he asking for? by thedarklinglord	Oct 14th, 2008 02:16:40 AM
Because, and I may be wrong here, I'm pretty sure Iron Man made a buttload at the box office, and there's no question that fans of the first movie are fucking dying to for the second. So, provided they script is solid, Iron Man 2 should be just as big a success, if not moreso. Where they run into trouble is when they start screwing with the cast and replacing people because they don't want to give them their fair cut. Personally, I don't hate that they recast Katie Holmes, because she never should have been cast in the first place. (Sorry, Nolan, but you definitely dropped the ball there.) I only wish Nolan saw how wrong she was in the role during Batman Begins and found a replacement then, particularly if the character was meant to be a recurring face in future installments. But, you know, her's is still a relatively small piece of a greater picture, so it's not quite as jarring as, say, recasting Alfred or Gordon. And there's no WAY they'd ever get away with recasting Bruce Wayne at this point. It was hilarious for Sony to even consider, much less threaten, replacing Tobey. If you want to instantly kill your blossoming franchise, the surest way to do it is by jerking viewers around by swapping out the lead - especially when the first movie was such a huge success that the actor has officially become the face and voice of that main character. Of course, at the end of the day, the studio is going to screw things up however they see fit, just to save a few bucks. Only, they apparently never learn that the few bucks they save by cutting corners now is really going to cost them in the long run. Dumbasses.
No way he had too much chemistry with Downey by krushjudgement	Oct 14th, 2008 02:23:29 AM
They worked well together.
Continuity in movie series by Continentalop	Oct 14th, 2008 02:45:28 AM
If anything this should serve as a reminder to any movie that plans to do a series to one of three things: A) sign all actors to reappear in any sequels before the first movie is made (such as they did in the original Superman movies and the Spider-Man series); B) cast an actor who is not a star to the part so you don’t have to worry about excessive demands (such as they did with J.J. Jamison by casting J.K. Simmons); or C) don’t have a major character appear unless he is essential to the current story - especially if you decide to fill the part with a star because stars are egotistical and don’t like playing second banana to anyone. I imagine it annoyed Howard to no end to read how everyone went nuts for Downey’s hedonistic Stark while his by-the-book Rhodes was thought of as “adequate”. Better to have saved him for a latter date. I love Jim Rhodes, and I love how he took over for Tony Stark in the comics, but I don’t think the character was that essential in the first movie. Another character could have served the same purpose, to act as Tony Stark’s conscience. Hell, Happy Hogan could have served that purpose (and in the comics he did have a crush on Pepper Potts). And as any old-time Iron Man fan knows, James Rhodes didn’t appear until 1979, 16 years after Iron Man first debuted.
Interesting as most of the cut scenes on the BluRay by drturing	Oct 14th, 2008 02:48:40 AM
are of Howard
Don Cheadle is a great actor, but... by polyh3dron	Oct 14th, 2008 02:48:43 AM
Terrence Howard was PERFECT as Rhodes. WTF, Marvel? I don't see Cheadle as a very convincing military man.
most excellent ninja you forget Idris Elba by drturing	Oct 14th, 2008 02:51:33 AM
Dude has it. I even sat through most of a Tyler Perry movie because of him. Granted, Gabrielle Union was in it, too. But come on man, Tyler Perry? Sheeit.
Robert Downey Jr. as Rhodes by blindambition238	Oct 14th, 2008 02:53:37 AM

As for Ejifor I actually watched a whole Mamet movie by drturing	Oct 14th, 2008 02:54:04 AM
because he was in it. Redbelt. About the only Mamet, oddly disaffected acting style movie I could take, even if it was about the totally gay world of MMA. Ejifor was badass in it.
Probably bogus, but wouldnt mind, Howard is kind of soft for Rho by Wonderboys	Oct 14th, 2008 02:55:43 AM

MARVEL STUDIOS=THE NEXT FOX STUDIOS. by Redfive!	Oct 14th, 2008 03:13:36 AM
I GUARANTEE this is over money and even though I dig cheadle I think Marvel should of done everything to keep Howard.NOTHING puts a damper on sequels more then actors changing.And before all the rabid FANBOYS start pulling out there Dark Knight badges YES Maggie Gyllenhal was BUTT UGLY AND TERRABLE IN TDK,Holmes should of been back...just to die.
Cuba Gooding,Jr by Volstaff	Oct 14th, 2008 03:14:57 AM
Would have made a great Rhyodes as well.The guy has an affinity for playing military types. The last thing he's done that I liked was Men of Honor.The guy can still shine when he's got good material to work with, he just can't pick roles for shit.
Having said that, Cheadle is a great choice by Volstaff	Oct 14th, 2008 03:15:55 AM

I loved howard in the movie... by -=Shin=-	Oct 14th, 2008 03:18:42 AM
Check out hte deleted scenes. He and Downey have great chemistry. Strangely, it seemed to me almost all of the deleted scenes relates to Rhodes. Maybe Terrence was already on his way out?
I hate the change but Cheadle is fucking Aces! by chien_sale	Oct 14th, 2008 03:20:01 AM
He should have been in the first or heck just have Cheadle be Black Panther.
Jeffrey Wright by sean bean	Oct 14th, 2008 03:26:10 AM
would be great. I'm hoping he has more screen time in Quantum of Solace than he did in Casino Royale
Do you know how many dicks Cuba would suck to be in Iron Man 2? by blue1622	Oct 14th, 2008 03:31:43 AM
An awful, awful lot of dicks, and he'd throw in a few murders, too. He complained many years ago that he couldn't even get an audition for DareDevil. I say give Cuba the shot...you'd get another oscar winner at 1/2 the cost, or less, and probably end up with a better fit for the character.
How about this idea to fix continuity... by onezeroone	Oct 14th, 2008 04:15:58 AM
use a different actor EVERYTIME to play Rhodes... this way, by the time we reach [eventual] Ironman8, only interest fans will have is who is playing Rhodes this time.
Howard was great. by gotilk	Oct 14th, 2008 04:32:39 AM
But let's face it, Cheadle is Cheadle. Just better.
Q: How much money did he ask for? by Mace Tofu	Oct 14th, 2008 04:34:41 AM
A: Too much. lol
Hehehehe RDJ as Rhodes...hehehehe good one... by Goldfingah	Oct 14th, 2008 04:52:14 AM
This comment will ultimately sound small but I'll say it anyway; isn't Cheadle a little scrawny for Rhodes? I guess a trip to the gym (or several dozen) can fix that, but physically he doesn't seem to have it. But yeah, Howard's Rhodes was definitely was one of the things I didn't like too much about Iron Man. I couldn't quite figure out if it was the way the character was scripted or his acting. I mean, RDJ, Gwynnie and Bridges hit their respective roles out of the park. I'm pretty sure Cheadle will hold his own against RDJ. His Paul Rusesabagina (ha, I spelled the whole thing) was haunting.
Don't piss me off, Internet! by ReZourceman	Oct 14th, 2008 04:58:16 AM
Why do I see these words in front of me? Fuck that. I don't want that shit. Ugh, this better get resolved. And by resolved I mean Terrence back as The Love Machine. War Machine. Rhodey. GAH!
BadMrWonka by caruso_stalker217	Oct 14th, 2008 04:59:06 AM
I never said Cheadle was a hack because of his lousy performance in "The Rat Pack." Everybody was bad in that movie, with the exception of Angus Macfadyen. So perhaps I was out of line for calling him a hack, but I don't think I'm overstepping my bounds when I say he's overrated. I've got no love for him as an actor. I've always found him kind of irritating, to be honest. And I hate him in the OCEAN'S movies. But then I hate those movies in general. I know I sound like I've got some sort of personal vendetta against the guy, like maybe he buttfucked my dog or something, but I think the anger in my post stems more from wanting to see continuity preserved here. And, as I said, if they have to replace Howard I'd rather they go with somebody like Chiwetel Ejiofor, who I think is a better actor and somebody I actually like. So I guess there's a personal bias here. Also, I'm not stoned, starved for attention or trying to bait anybody here and I resent the comparison to those YouTube fuckers. Still, I'll commend you for that awesome pwning you gave me. And, seriously, when are we gonna stop with this bullshit about actors "disappearing" into roles? Like how everybody refers to Chris Cooper as a "chameleon." I think he's a good actor and all, but I've watched him in a movie and later somebody pointed out to me that "Hey, that was Chris Cooper" and I was like, "What? You're shitting me! Really?" Now I'll give Ledger credit for THE DARK KNIGHT. I tried telling myself it was Heath Ledger, but it was tough. Also, Dylan Baker in PLANES, TRAINS AND AUTOMOBILES. So it's pretty much just those two guys and possibly Brando. Mostly Ledger and Baker, though. Those guys. They're going places.
Wont be that missed, REALLY by quantize	Oct 14th, 2008 05:09:58 AM
Cheadle will be even better and yeh Howard was slightly distractingly effeminate ..and no doubt he had delusions of grandeur re his paycheck
Perfect Rhodes= Jamie Foxx by Optimus Primal	Oct 14th, 2008 05:10:34 AM
Now that I think about it Jamie Foxx would be perfect for Rhodes, hes physically imposing (at least moreso the Terrance and Cheadle) and has that machismo bravado attitude that you need to portray a miltary man.
i love don cheadle... by Obscura	Oct 14th, 2008 05:40:51 AM
...but i love continuity more.
THIS FRANCHISE JUST IMPLODED!!! ITS OVER!!! by LaserPants	Oct 14th, 2008 05:42:46 AM
Kidding. Cheadle is a better actor anyways.
Howard was a bit too femme... by Karl Childers	Oct 14th, 2008 05:47:06 AM
Cheadle is a bit too nerdy. I agree with the Jamie Foxx casting but he's uber annoying.
THE STUDIO FUCKED THEMSELVES by ingloriousjedi	Oct 14th, 2008 05:53:39 AM
FUCK THIS! I now am putting a curse on Iron Man 2. It will be a bullshit sequel that will receive no love (Like the kinda love The Dark Knight had), and I now hope it fails because of the wrong decisions and lack of foresight of the movie studios bosses/execs. The execs think they are in control, which they kinda are, but more so the fans of the movie are in control..total control. FUCK IRON MAN 2. IT WILL FAIL AND AGAIN I HOPE IT FAILS AND BECOMES A PIECE OF SHIT. THE MOVIE BOSSES HAVE REALLY FUCKED THEMSELVES WITH THIS ONE. THEY MADE THE WRONG DECISION AND WILL FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. Terrence Howard made the right decision in not backing down.
meh. Gwyneth Paltrow by palewook	Oct 14th, 2008 05:56:01 AM
should have probably been recast before howard. of course when you think about the cast of iron man. Downey Jr. is the only person they have to bring back.
Alpa Chino by Epleterte	Oct 14th, 2008 05:57:45 AM
Alpa Chino as Rhodes. You know it.
as long as they keep Paltrow and Downey everthing is fine... by j2talk	Oct 14th, 2008 06:12:37 AM
Howard was ok, if a bit too wimpy....'course Cheadle inst much better, but then again Rhodes IS an Air Force Airman and not some beefed up Marine or Army Special forces meathead.....
“…Next time.” by Evil Chicken	Oct 14th, 2008 06:16:57 AM
The role is Terrence Howard's and he needs to be Jim Rhodes / War Machine in “Iron Man II”. 'Nuff said.
That's a shame. I liked him. by Mr Nicholas	Oct 14th, 2008 06:20:04 AM

The Black Guy from Pushing Daisies was born this role by Nabster	Oct 14th, 2008 06:34:35 AM
His wisecracking persona would have audiences falling in love with the War Machine, common suits... make it happen.
FINE! I'LL SAY WHAT EVERYONE IS THINKING! by Err	Oct 14th, 2008 06:35:56 AM
Robert Downey Jr as Rhodey and Stark. He was born for both roles!
Cuba Gooding Jr looks more like Terrence than Cheadle by Jubba	Oct 14th, 2008 06:36:07 AM
Cuba Gooding Jr for War Machine....don't screw up the universe this way!
Michael Jai White. Period. by Galva	Oct 14th, 2008 06:36:12 AM
I've always imagined him for Rhodes (well, since I've been aware of him), and he actually looks like he could kick your ass (to wit: He can).
Rhodes shouldnt be a jock by j2talk	Oct 14th, 2008 06:43:39 AM
after all he is Air Force.......
Stupid by Dazzler69	Oct 14th, 2008 06:47:14 AM
How stupid to walk away from this? I would have done it for free for getting paid higher on other crappy movies.
Oh, come on with the drama by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 06:49:28 AM
I don’t think the studio fucked themselves or the fans or continuity at all. Rhodes was miscast in the first film, he had less than ten minutes total screen time, oh well. I don’t know what Howard was going for with Rhodes, but I wasn’t feeling it. Don could come in fill things in nicely. I hear all this “fuck Marvel” jazz, but look at it from their view, they are a new studio, only two flicks under their belt, not as much funding as the big guys and a full slate of movies that are gonna cost a butt load to make. They may have wanted to come out swinging in negotiations to show the actor’s that they’re gonna have limited sway on their contracts and if you push Marvel on money, they needed to put their foot down hard to set an example… Howard was just the first one to try it. Bad advice there pal, sorry. I think Cheadle is a great actor and will be fine as Rhodey. I love Chiwetel Ejiofor and truly he would have been my first choice, but I really think he’d be wasted on Rhodey, when he would rock balls as Black Panther.
WTF? by mascan42	Oct 14th, 2008 07:01:56 AM
Don't they usually sign all the actors to a sequel deal before the first movie? Who let this one fall through the cracks?
About the chemistry by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 07:02:12 AM
Also I don’t know how much of what Downey and Howard had was chemistry and how much was Favreau’s Robert Altman style directing where the characters are filmed in an active chaotic scene and are to rapid fire their dialog, overlapping what they say while interacting with those around them, ala all of Altman’s MAS*H (the movie not the show) and a good Iron Man example would be the Plane scene. That way of blocking a scene just makes it seem more natural, especially if you have very good actors, but the scenes of Downey and Howard one on one lacked a spark.
I want to know and demand to know... by emeraldboy	Oct 14th, 2008 07:02:16 AM
What the hell is going on with Gwenyth Paltrow. This summer her spokeswoman issued a statement to the effect that she was quitting the film business. and now she has signed for Iron Man 2. very odd.
God, these studios are such scumbags by dr sauch	Oct 14th, 2008 07:03:22 AM
Pay the man his money. People pay you to see the stars. As far as the public is concerned, the cameras just follow the actors around and film them. You can have all the effects and production quality you want, but people will only pay to see the actors.
And Actors want too much sometimes. by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 07:09:19 AM
Look I am not trying to sound like a studio defending douche, and believe me were this not Marvel, I would not be defending them at all, but I'm sure Howard signed on for more than one movie, and had a set price he had agreed to, if he wants to say "no, the movie got serious bank last time and I want more." If his salary is set and he won't agree to the signed upon terms, oh, well... you're fired. Imagine going to the bosses office and asking for a raise, and saying if you don't get it you won't come to work tomorrow until you do. Well in the normal world you'd get fired too. They say "no raise yet." you either say okay or look for work somewhere that will pay you what you want.
And I wasn't paying to see Howard by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 07:14:12 AM
I was paying to see Iron Man. I pay to see a movie, I goddamn well better have a performance so good infornt of me that I don't think, "Wow Terrance is great!" I want to think, "Damn Rhodey is bad ass." The idea of paying to see a star is why movie stars and sport stars get paid these enormous fucking salaries when in the past it was more for love of the craft. Why do you think the best actors are the supporting guys like Cheadle and Downey? They never got paid enough to get spoiled like Pitt and Clooney and stop trying. They got paid enough to live comfortably, but stuck with it because they loved acting, not their pay checks
Its how quickly we all forget... by emeraldboy	Oct 14th, 2008 07:18:52 AM
but Iron Mans success took everyone by suprise. Favs didnt want to do a sequel. Gwyneth made Contradictatory statements about her career. First she was quitting then she wasnt. Something is going on with her. Then Downey jnr said he didnt get batman. Maybe they all inhaled Downey Jnrs Sage pipe.
I like Terrence Howard by Franklin T Marmoset	Oct 14th, 2008 07:22:35 AM
So this news is a real shame. I was looking forward to seeing him as War Machine in part two. Still, if you absolutely have to replace him, you can't really go wrong with Don Cheadle. Unless, of course, Cheadle decides to play Rhodes with an English accent.
I could go either way... by D_T	Oct 14th, 2008 07:32:27 AM
...I mean, Howard was decent and he of course provides better continuity, but think Cheedle is potentially a better talent. Just give me plenty of RDJ, step up the villain, give us a little WM and I think we'll all be entertained. I had a great time with the first movie!
At Least It Isn't Tyrese or someone like that... by stlfilmwire	Oct 14th, 2008 07:42:36 AM
At least it is a real actor replacing an actor. Too bad Mr. Howard won't be in it. He could have really gained a bunch of young fans that would have stuck with him throughout his career. Damn it. Maybe they should have told him, "OK, we'll let you sing a song during the credits. Deal!?"
Thanks for the chuckle, DerLanghaarige by Franklin T Marmoset	Oct 14th, 2008 07:43:12 AM
I am now imagining War Machine (in full armoured get-up) playing 'find the Saltine' with Iron Man.
This is awesome by Merrick	Oct 14th, 2008 07:50:55 AM
Terrence Howard was the weakest link in the first film; no gravity. Cheadle will work out much better, AND have superior (and I should think more genuine) chemistry with Downey Jr.
Hollywood Politics by BeyondStatic	Oct 14th, 2008 07:52:37 AM
... strike again! This is disappointing news to be sure. T.H. is great... but his portrayal was a little wooden in the first one... He can do better, but now I guess we will get a different take on the character.
Have Downey do it by broken ear	Oct 14th, 2008 07:54:25 AM
He did it in Tropic Thunder. He can do it again.
If what you're saying is true... by Dashing Roger	Oct 14th, 2008 07:55:01 AM
...then I still don't care.
I'M THE DUDE PLAYIN' THE DUDE DISGUISED AS A SUPERDUDE! by Err	Oct 14th, 2008 07:59:23 AM
Make this happen.
no impact by just pillow talk	Oct 14th, 2008 08:02:49 AM
Terrence's role wasn't significant enough in the first one anyway. And the choice of Cheadle is cheadleriffic!
Not a Howard fan.. by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 08:03:51 AM
..he wasn't bad particularly, I don't know, I just didn't dig him as much as the rest of the cast. How much money could he possibly have wanted, I know I.M. made a bajillion dollars but he wasn't that integral in the first one he should have been grateful. Think of the future dumbshit, War Machine spinoff, quick cash-in for studio, hefty paycheck... Cheadle is great, but I never bought his corny accent in the Ocean's flicks and he seems a bit of a heavy hitter alongside Downey, too much gravitas.
This is the problem with Marvel's plans by Curious Jorge	Oct 14th, 2008 08:12:18 AM
...to create all of the film franchises, and then have the same cast reappear in an Avengers movie. Ed Norton was famously difficult to work with -- how many more Hulk movies is he going to be around for? Continuity of actors only works for sci-fi franchises that were long-running TV series first, because those folks know the value of a regular paycheck and they have no other film career to jump off into.
thedarklinglord huh? recasting Tobey? by most excellent ninja	Oct 14th, 2008 08:13:35 AM
Tobey brings nothing to the role and nobody would give a shit if they recast him, he doesn't play spidey or peter parker. it's different to the way the public has latched onto Bale as Batman, that is the face of Batman. But that's because he is Batman and actually plays Batman. Recasting Bale would have a huge impact but it wouldn't be the same for Tobey.
They really want Emile Hirsch by Garbageman33	Oct 14th, 2008 08:17:27 AM
I saw it on Entourage.
Malificus is right by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 08:18:26 AM
Howard not only walked away from the IM sequel, but more than likely a War Machine spin off, a spot in the Avengers, cameos in other Marvel films, voice over contracts for video games, merchandising, a little short sighted of him. Damn. A little short term want of cash may have cost him a load.
ALPA CHINO AS RHODES!!!! HAHAHAHA by most excellent ninja	Oct 14th, 2008 08:25:23 AM
that is brilliant
Question to all regarding Rhodey's voice in Iron Man. by Err	Oct 14th, 2008 08:28:33 AM
Did anyone else feel that Rhodey's voice should be deeper than Howards was?
Wasn't this an episode of "Entourage?" by Movietool	Oct 14th, 2008 08:28:47 AM
Two words, Vince: "Jake Gyllenhaal."
Smooth move, Terrence Howard. by rev_skarekroe	Oct 14th, 2008 08:31:11 AM
You've just been Maggie Gyllenhalled.
Ari screams Don Oceans Motherfucking 13 Cheadle by most excellent ninja	Oct 14th, 2008 08:33:10 AM
that's what i hear going into Terrance Howard's ear.
Heckuva reaction there, ingloriousjedi... by rev_skarekroe	Oct 14th, 2008 08:33:29 AM
...is Terrence Howard your brother or something?
Ninja by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 08:34:09 AM
I'm still a believer in the idea of not rebooting Spider-Man, but just moving on in part 4; new cast and director, that is not going to happen now, but man I wish it would have. Tobey isn't a bad peter, I just wish he didn't have to cry or dance in every single freakin film. MJ has always been miscast in Dunst. And Tobey has never been Spidey, and they've never written a true Spidey, where's the smart ass, non stop staccato chatter that drives the bad guys nuts. I don't always think reboots are need, just a knod and a wink and moving on in a different direction, we're all smart enough to follow. Complete one story line with one cast and then feel free to mix things up a bit, and pass the torch.
If he was supposed to sound like a 12-year-old girl... by Garbageman33	Oct 14th, 2008 08:35:06 AM
Then, yes, his voice was perfect. I never read the War Machine comics, so I'm not exactly sure what they were going for. Did they make his voice bubbles look all quivery?
Well, at least they picked a by veritasses	Oct 14th, 2008 08:39:06 AM
great actor.
I wish Terrence Howard was coming back. by JDanielP	Oct 14th, 2008 08:40:15 AM
They had a good thing going...and Howard was part of it. I will miss the continuity. --I suggest a different character (name) for Don Cheadle, War Machine or not. (Perhaps a connection between his character and Jim Rhodes?) But I'm still hoping that Terrence Howard will return.
merrick "Terrence Howard was the weakest link in the first film" by palewook	Oct 14th, 2008 08:45:01 AM
would have to disagree, iron monger was the weakest link. bridges was wasted the moment he put on the other suit. good until that point. howard might be the 2nd weakest part of the movie. bridges and howard aren't really to blame though. the writing for their parts was suspect. same with Paltrow, she did what she could with what they gave her. but she was little more than the standard background fluff for fanboys.
Does it matter? I mean they're both black by Simpsonian	Oct 14th, 2008 08:48:42 AM
right?
Howard was good..... by Evangelion217	Oct 14th, 2008 08:52:05 AM
But Don Cheadle is definitely the better choice. This is basically what WB did with Katie Holmes. Even though Howard was actually pretty good in "Iron Man", while Katie flat-out sucked in "Batman Begins."
Howard was good..... by Evangelion217	Oct 14th, 2008 08:52:08 AM
But Don Cheadle is definitely the better choice. This is basically what WB did with Katie Holmes. Even though Howard was actually pretty good in "Iron Man", while Katie flat-out sucked in "Batman Begins."
While emerald is on the subject of Paltrow... by SK229	Oct 14th, 2008 08:55:12 AM
It's a publicity stunt. She wants to seem or feel like she's 'above it alll, dahling', and only THEN realizes that the earth does not stop turning when a spoiled, overpaid, little brit wannabe bitch actress decides to "quit" the business. The audience very likely has more important things to worry about like, oh, I don't know... the total collapse of the world economy? I used to like her as an actress, and then I saw her on the Daily Show, where ANYTHING, I swear, ANYTHING Stewart asked, she'd feign incredulity, as if it's so inappropriate to ask anything remotely personal ON A FUCKING CABLE TALK SHOW. I hate celebrities that overestimate their own importance in that way, or when their want for privacy is really transparent. There are very few who are serious about it - Kubrick comes to mind... and Warren Beatty. Nicholson has never done a talk show. But then there are the celebrities who call for privacy while living at the foot of Rodeo drive, hanging out at all the hollywood clubs every weekend, and doing talk shows even when they have nothing to promote. And another thing that pissed me off about her appearance on the Daily Show (and also his hosting of the Oscars) is that even though his humor is self-deprecating, he really is the more famous guy in the room and probably more important. It's funny sometimes when celebrities don't realize where they sit on the totem pole. I remember hearing on Howard Stern once that for those who think they're too famous to be on the show or who are considering it but want to be wooed, Baba Booey would send 'the Paul McCartney tape', where he basically laid out shit about Yoko and Michael Jackson that he'd never talked about publicly. It seemed to be a way of saying, 'Yeah... on the grand scale of art, you're very likely not as important as Lennon and McCartney, so fuckin' get over yourself.' Ok... rant over. And btw, I think Howard was the only weak link in Iron Man.
enderandrew:: by ShiftyEyedDog2	Oct 14th, 2008 09:05:59 AM
actually, we're both right (but me moreso) :) The official story he gave was the back problems, but in truth it was him trying to hold out for more cash. It's been well-covered. It's like we've heard 1000 times lately with TV actors (hello, CSI) holding "sick-outs" and not coming in to work until they get a new contract (or they lose and are about to get fired)
watch the scene in iron man by SpawnofAchilles	Oct 14th, 2008 09:09:59 AM
where IM is flying with the jet fighters and Terrance Howard is in the war room and he screams, "What is it!" He sounds so uber gay it makes me want to choke the balls off myself(non sexually) He does have an effeminate voice. He's a good actor but Cheadle is better.
No big loss by Brock Samson	Oct 14th, 2008 09:10:56 AM
I actually agree with Merrick that Howard was the weakest link in the first one. Not bad, but he didn't give a performance that anyone's going to miss, and he lacks presence. War Machine needs to be played by a bad ass, and Howard, as good an actor as he is, really doesn't do bad ass.
side note by SpawnofAchilles	Oct 14th, 2008 09:14:54 AM
I met Terrance Howard once, he was on my flight from Philly to LA. This was when he was just getting big, Hart's War was the only thing I recognized him from (the trailer, I never saw the movie.) I saw people going up to him and saying something about some music video he was in. So I said what's up to him and we got to talking at the baggage claim. He looks down at the conveyor and goes, have you ever rode on one of these things? I go, uh, no can't say I have. He responds, I did once in Atlanta, just got on and rode it all the way around. No joke.
wish they would've kept him by T 1000 xp professional	Oct 14th, 2008 09:18:13 AM
but Cheadle will kick all sorts of superhero ass..to those mentioning Chiwetel Ejiofor, I just would like to say that after seeing Redbelt this guy is the goods.. he would be wasted on rhodes, so let the Black Panther/ "any other freaking superhero role" casting commence for this guy
I could always use me some by Abominable Snowcone	Oct 14th, 2008 09:18:56 AM
Honey Nut Cheadle-Os!
pretty funny story spawn by T 1000 xp professional	Oct 14th, 2008 09:20:17 AM

Don Cheadle's greatness... by herr_howard	Oct 14th, 2008 09:21:56 AM
...can be seen in 'Devil in a Blue Dress', arguably one of his greatest roles. Even with Denzel Washington and Jennifer Beals' star power, he almost stole the movie from them. I will look forward with anticipation to his role in Iron Man 2.
also by SpawnofAchilles	Oct 14th, 2008 09:22:11 AM
watch howard run towards rdj in the desert when they discover him after the mark I escape, he looks gangily and goofy as hell. I loved Iron Man, think Favreau crushed it but Howard, while not bad was the weakest part of the film.
Cheadle is a great actor, but a military guy? I don't know. by Orbots Commander	Oct 14th, 2008 09:25:08 AM
I can't see Don Cheadle as Jim Rhodes, Man of Action. Rhodes is supposed to be Race Bannon to Robert Downey Jr's/Stark's, Dr. Quest.
tropic man by rubberfish	Oct 14th, 2008 09:26:22 AM
They can just get Downey to play Stark and Rhodes ;)
I love this... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 09:27:14 AM
It is rare that we get a lot of love in a , usually we are a bitchy bunch, but I hope someone close to Cheadle reads this site and sends him over to read the lovefest. But, Cheadle is like that, he is one of those actors who seems reachable, real, more grounded. He seems a genuinely good guy, even when he pushes his causes and politics he is always magnanimous, and not one to take pot shots, he just seems like a classy guy. I mean how many times have you seen Snowcone warm and fuzzy enough to pet name somebody Honey Nut Cheadle-Os, you rock as always Snowcone.
herr_howard by toadkillerdog	Oct 14th, 2008 09:28:08 AM
He DID steal that movie. His drunk scene was on of the greatest pieces of acting I have seen in a very long time. As small as he was/is, he projected the pure just below the surface menace and psychosis of an unrepentant killer. Amazing performance. Should have won an Oscar for that.
If you can see RDJ as Iron Man - then Cheadle by toadkillerdog	Oct 14th, 2008 09:30:57 AM
Can easily play Rhodes. Not all military men are cut from central casting. In fact, most are not. The greatest hero of WWII - Audie Murphy, was a tiny guy.
Downey Jr. has the range! by TheGreatPumpkin	Oct 14th, 2008 09:38:31 AM
I agree that RDJ should be playing both roles - he'd be the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude, but I think we'd all get it.... right?
uhhhh fuck this...... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 14th, 2008 09:38:48 AM
....during a recent viewing of Iron Man at home I realized Terrence was the best part of the film.
Cheadle is fine for military roles... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 09:46:29 AM
I don't know where the idea that soldiers and military men are these great massive walls of Ahnold like mass and beef come from. I was a WO and flew a UH-60 for six years in the Army and have transported any and all forms of Infantry, Rangers, SF, SAR, you name it. These guys are not tanks; they are pretty average looking, most green Berets look like track and field guys not weight lifters, and when you think of what they do, you can see why. It's a lot easier to blend in if your average and nondescript looking than Ahnold, and a lot easier to get the hell out of dodge and trudge through the hills if you don't weigh 250lbs before you get the gear on, you know? Rhodey is USAF, a fighter jock, those guys are smaller, and they take the G's better for being smaller. You don't see many pilots over 6'2" really. I am 6' and I was squished in the 60. Seriously, he is fine.
Don Cheadle rules, but... by DarthCorleone	Oct 14th, 2008 09:49:13 AM
...Iron Man was so overrated. I'd rather see Don Cheadle cast in something interesting.
I laugh every time by Rocklover79	Oct 14th, 2008 09:50:09 AM
It gets to the part in Iron Man where Rhodey is running into Stark's house to check on him. "Ton-AY! Ton-AY!"
Cheadle in Out of Sight by NoHubris	Oct 14th, 2008 09:59:16 AM
Good point, Mr. Bad Wonka. Cheadle in OUT OF SIGHT was very much a War Machine type in the way he played the role. Cheadle's Maurice Miller character in OUT OF SIGHT is the reason why he'd make a tremendous War Machine.
"Next time, baby." (Terrence Howard, there won't be.) by JDanielP	Oct 14th, 2008 10:00:40 AM
And that's unfortunate.
Don Cheadle's greatness... by herr_howard by palewook	Oct 14th, 2008 10:03:20 AM
Got to agree with you on the Devil in the Blue Dress comment. I read a ton of Mosley and have to admit, Cheadle nailed Mouse from the book.
It's not Cheadle's size; it's demeanor. by Orbots Commander	Oct 14th, 2008 10:12:06 AM
It's how you carry yourself, your tone of voice, how you walk, move, and even do nothing but sit and think. Like I said, Cheadle is a great actor. Maybe he can study military guys and mimic their demeanor.
Ejiofer is being reserved for John Stewart by most excellent ninja	Oct 14th, 2008 10:13:25 AM
and everyone knows it.
Paltrow's prententiousness... by Err	Oct 14th, 2008 10:14:57 AM
Watch the making of documentary on the bonus features of the IRON MAN DVD. She acts throughout the interview that the film is beneath her.
Orbots Commander by toadkillerdog	Oct 14th, 2008 10:20:35 AM
I'm guessing you have never been in the military, right? No knock against you, but dude, trust me, there are all types in the military, not just the hollywood, stone faced, jump on a grenade, can-do, versions. You would be very surprised with just which types are tougher than the rest. Cheadle will be just fine in the role. My only concern is his age. And if the soft-voiced Howard can convince you of military bearing, Cheadle should have no problem either.
Iron Men, the short&wimpy middleaged superheroes by pipergates	Oct 14th, 2008 10:21:29 AM
Ha Ha Ha! Only with their metal suits on could these guys possibly be imposing. No, they're great actors, i bet they will have fantastic chemistry. I also would have liked somebody more imposing than Cheadle, like Chiwetel or Michael Jai White. But hey let the little guys have some superhero fun too.
This Sucks by DKT	Oct 14th, 2008 10:22:32 AM
I hate when they start replacing cast members like this. I like Cheadle fine, but I thought Howard did a great job as Rhodes.
"Next time, baby!" by The Reluctant Austinite	Oct 14th, 2008 10:22:39 AM
This is insane. When I saw "Iron Man" 3 times in theaters, the audience roared with anticipation when Terrence Howard saw the War Machine armour and said "Next time, baby!" That's one of the biggest things exiting poles showed audiences most wanted to see in the sequel. Surely the studio knew he would ask for more money to take a bigger role in the sequel. How much are we talking about here? This franchise (at least for one more film) is a sure thing cash cow. First Fav has problems with the studio and his return is briefly in doubt, then this? Marvel got REALLY lucky their first time at bat as a studio, and I hope they appreciate that. What's next? Replace Downey Jr. for someone cheaper? This sucks.
Austinite by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 10:30:04 AM
Like I posted earlier, even if Howard was getting pffered much more, he was being really greedy and short sighted, because by leaving, sure he may have passed on a little larger check this time out, but he missed out on a possible spin-off WM movie, Avengers, cameos in other Marvel flicks, voice over work for video games, a cut of the merchandising for WM solo flicks, he really screwed himself by walking away so early.
Howard was fine, but a bit weak by Thot	Oct 14th, 2008 10:32:04 AM
His high, effeminate voice was a bit distracting. He's also a bit soft in the features to be a bad-ass supehero. Cheadle will be a more than fitting replacement. He'll bring the testosterone to the role that Howard may not have been able to.
"Next time, baby." by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 10:36:24 AM
Was exciting to me because I had the idea of two Iron Men, and the Bad assness of War Machine ripping up the landscape, but even while watching it the first time in theaters when Howard said it I had a twinge that WM was going to sound and run like a girl, no offense ladies, and it just didn’t quite sit right.
Don Cheadle????? by MRJONZ72	Oct 14th, 2008 10:47:44 AM
I just cant see Don Cheadle at all as Jim Rhodes / War marchine..not even the slightest. I rather have Howards and I do think that the writing for his character in the 1st film only left him so much to work with.. and I think he did good.. Saying all that I do think Micheal Jai White or Jamie Fox would work out better..and put me in for the folks that say give Cuba a shot.. Chiwetel Ejiofor he be great in the role too..actually I think he is better than any name I dropped in my post..one of my favorite actors currently out there, but I would love to see him as The Black Panter or maybe the John Stewart GL. But I think he be perfect as the BP.
James Rhodes by Cory849	Oct 14th, 2008 10:48:12 AM
Neither Howard nor Cheadle are right for the James Rhodes role actually. But replacing Howard with Cheadle is just obnoxious. I can't think of two more dissimilar people. But oh well - if a studio can go from Michael Keaton to Val Kilmer to George Clooney... wait. That didn't exactly turn out so good either...
This is NOT awesome by Darksider	Oct 14th, 2008 10:54:00 AM
Howard was fucking great. He played off RDJ very well. He wasn't a jackass or prick because he is a professional SOLDIER and the opposite of the irresponsible Stark. He is supposed to have some integrity and heart. Cheadle will bring nothing to the role but stunt casting and will not be believable as an officer. You might as well go for Will Smith or Eddie Griffin if you want to just make people laugh. Besides, I don't think Cheadle is really hurting for work. Marvel needs to stop with the nonsense.
get rid of Downey Jr too by mikey mike	Oct 14th, 2008 10:58:41 AM
that way he won't be around to trash the superior Dark Knight anymore
sorry mikey mike by j2talk	Oct 14th, 2008 11:02:36 AM
but it was The Dark JKnight that was overrated.....Bale was wooden...and while good,Ledger didn't do anything more than play the role that he was cast in- the only truly remarkable thing about his performance is that he had it in him, as none of his previous work suggested it......as for the rest of the film? Who didnt see the twists coming a mile away?
Toad, I've never been, but I have family that are. by Orbots Commander	Oct 14th, 2008 11:09:31 AM
And I stand by my assertion, that it isn't about size. There's a certain demeanor or gait/walk in members of the military. Same with cops. My cousin is a cop, and it's the same 'demeanor' thing. But we're not talking about reality anyway. Cheadle's performance as Rhodes, as a man of action, has to come across on a 50 foot plus screen in a visual way.
One thing about the costume by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 11:09:46 AM
I agree clasicly Rhodey has always been portrayed as a very large guy, who is physically much more imposing than Tony Stark, but realisticly there are two things from the first film that really don’t lead a beefier actor to portray Rhodey; one: Rhodey is a Lt. Col USAF, that’s a high rank for someone in their late thirties like Howard, though it is not unheard of, it is rare. Second there are the limitations of building a suit that will allow a large physically powerful man like, say Michael Jai White who is only a year older than Howard, to move and function are going to be limiting just in the engineering of it. That is why the most successful actors in the FX business who do regularly wear full body prosthetics tend to be these slim guys like Doug Jones, and Downey for that matter. War Machine is meant to be a bulkier, more heavily armed and armored version of the Iron Man armor and making the armor bigger on an already larger actor is going to be awkward and lead to a more heave use of CG which I personally hate. I’m willing to take a smaller older Rhodey, to pull off the WM armor as a practical, more realistic effect.
Recasting isn't a backbreaker by nytivofan	Oct 14th, 2008 11:11:41 AM
but it is very distracting/annoying, even if it involves a minor character like Rhodes. As bad as Katie Holmes was in Batman Begins, they should have brought her back or not used her character at all in Dark Knight. Memo to Terrance Howard: when you're stuck doing direct-to-video shlock like Starship Troopers VIII in a few years, you're going to wish you backed off on your salary demands for Iron Man 2...
Who cares about Howard anyways by blindambition238	Oct 14th, 2008 11:14:01 AM
wasnt he in like only 3 scenes anyways
Tim Meadows for War Machine by IAmLegolas	Oct 14th, 2008 11:18:17 AM
Now that's awesome!
Justin Theroux! by Saltoner	Oct 14th, 2008 11:19:14 AM
I'm fine with Cheadle, personally both he and Terrence are on the same par when it comes to acting. However, Justin Theroux is writing! Faverau and Downey have their work cut out for them now with this hack doing the screenplay. Oh Marvel, right when we all thought you had it nipped in the bud. Do us a favor, save some money, get rid of Paltrow and hire a better writer!
Tracey Morgan for War Machine!!!! by IAmLegolas	Oct 14th, 2008 11:19:53 AM
"I'm celebrating my sobriety!!!"
er... by IAmLegolas	Oct 14th, 2008 11:20:49 AM
make that "I'm enjoying my sobriety!"
ON Paltrow... by emeraldboy	Oct 14th, 2008 11:21:36 AM
There was something about a miscarriage. Which is a hugely terrible thing to happen to any woman. anyhoo. She seemed really pissed off when asked. she didnt release a statement to clarify the situation. I think she went on Oprah. there was stuff about her marriage. Chris Martin can be volatile. These are two of the most boring people on plant earth. But she wasnt all that bad in Iron Man. She is the only actress who doesnt burn up the box office. She could retire and nobody would really notice.
Cheadle is a great choice if Howard is out... by gringostar	Oct 14th, 2008 11:25:40 AM
but Chiwetel Ejiofor is note perfect! No matter who it is the change would not bother me much. I felt that Terrence Howard played the role a little too soft - his Jim Rhodes interpretation was more pillow fight than street fight.
hate recasting by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Oct 14th, 2008 11:26:26 AM
it always sucks in my opinion but sometimes exceptions can be made (like Katie Holmes being replaced in Batman). i dont like this though, i thought Terrence Howard did well enough in his role and having Cheadle replace him just dosen't feel right...for one they look NOTHING alike in my opinion and finding someone to at least resemble the former actor IS important. oh well, its a bummer and if i was Howard id just screw and it and take what i can get...i mean is War Machine dammit, it would be hella cool to portray that character...sometimes actors need to look past their paycheck (come on...they are already loaded anyway) and just have fun with these roles.
Iron Man One SUCKED by fassbinder79	Oct 14th, 2008 11:28:17 AM
And this one will too. I'm bummed to hear that Cheadle has agreed to be in this crap.
I hate when they switch actors in sequels! by abovo	Oct 14th, 2008 11:34:41 AM
I really like Terence Howard. When they switched Maggie Gyllenhaal with Katie Holmes it was distracting. I can't imagine that Howard wanted that much.
Memo to Hollywood-Nobody is Irreplaceable by j2talk	Oct 14th, 2008 11:40:02 AM
Marvels memo to Hollywood-Nobody is Irreplaceable, especially in the supporting roles...
I know what you mean Orbots by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 11:43:05 AM
and I said something very similar on the Cap casting postings the other day, but I can let the military command aura slip more with Rhodey than I could with say Cap, but Cheadle has the chops to pick that up in his performance, but I agree command gives a guy a certain authoritarian dignity that he carries with him and effects the way he holds himself, his speech, walk, there is a preciseness to it that you don’t see outside of ranking military men. I saw it in my grandfather who was a retired Marine Col.
Isn't there a rapper they could use? by Garbageman33	Oct 14th, 2008 11:43:40 AM
Common? Mos Def? Ice Cube, maybe? Come to think of it, Flavor Flav is the closest when it comes to the girlish voice. Yeaaah boyeee!!!
At least the strongest ones are staying by drewlicious	Oct 14th, 2008 11:44:35 AM
I'm thrilled to hear Cheadle's in this but I would be pretty dissapointed if Gwyneth Paltrow dropped out. That was best work she'd given in year and made me forget about her pretentious attitude for about two hours. Then again if she becomes a problem I say they should cast a real redhead, Alicia Witt comes to mind.
Don Cheadle overrated? by surfsup22	Oct 14th, 2008 11:53:49 AM
Dude lay off the crack pipe.
I was super excited to see Howard as War Machine... by two fathoms deep	Oct 14th, 2008 12:05:13 PM
now I CAN"T FUCKING WAIT to see Cheadle decked the fuck out w/ armor and cannons. This movie is going to kick so much ass.
Mark Strong - take notes - "character actor flavor of month" by JackRabbitSlim	Oct 14th, 2008 12:08:43 PM
This is the fate of the yearly "Hes a fresh face - hes hot - hes happening." In two years it will happen to Mickey Rourke and in 2011 this will be you. Five years ago everyone on this board woulda been clamoring JEFFREY WRIGHT!!! Now - of, what? 192 posts, only one person - Sean Bean there - mentioned him. Hollywood fame - its a fickle bitch.
Alicia Witt - jesus - theres another "next big thing" by JackRabbitSlim	Oct 14th, 2008 12:10:52 PM
What was she - a fresh faces of 1997? That genius-level iq couldn't quite make up for shitty career choices, eh there, Alice?
Was Under The Impression That Everybody Was Signed Already? by What The Duck	Oct 14th, 2008 12:12:01 PM
Im not gonna hate on T. Howard but Don C. is a better actor.
Actually, Robert Downey Jr should play tony stark and Rhodes by Franklancer	Oct 14th, 2008 12:13:30 PM
He can switch back and forth between stark and his tropic thunder make up.. blue screen both in... it would work.. it would work very well..
Keep the casting! by FILMFUNK	Oct 14th, 2008 12:14:09 PM
I'm sure He can do bad ass! He didn't have much to do in IM 1!
Cheadle will be fine by oisin5199	Oct 14th, 2008 12:19:14 PM
I think he's waaay more suited (no pun intended) for Rhodey than Howard who, in my opinion, does more emotional roles better. Cheadle certainly can do emotional, but he can do bad-assness way better than Howard. He will have to bulk up a bit - he's kind of a small guy. Now, Chiwetel Ejiofor, he's awesome, but I'm hoping they save him for an awesome Black Panther movie - but NOT as a Fantastic Four spinoff, despite the character's origins. Anyway, he'd be awesome for T'Challa. Suck it, Wesley!
Get it right the first time damn it! by Knugen	Oct 14th, 2008 12:26:33 PM
Like The Dark Night - they should have gone with the replacement to begin with!
that's silly by CherryValance	Oct 14th, 2008 12:29:31 PM
whoever screwed that up is an idiot. It's stupid to recast and it's stupid for him to want more money than he's worth. So whatever the situation was someone wasn't thinking straight. I like Don Cheadle but I'm not seeing it. Iron Man is now officially tainted with dumb.
Good cos Rhodey was to Stark what Samwise was to Frodo. by Damien Chowder	Oct 14th, 2008 12:43:02 PM
This is the first movie I've seen him in, as a starring role. The other was Mr Holland's Opus and he wasn't in much of it. I thought what are these people banging on about? Howard isn't all that... he's just... a bit of a bender looking for a bit of red and yeller. Now all we need is Cheadle to ask for too much and Denzel is Warmachine.
Jackie Chan as War Machine by Damien Chowder	Oct 14th, 2008 12:50:25 PM
And yes I second Cheetah Eprofiterole he is a damn fine actor kicks Denzel in his face.
Obama could do it. That guy can do anything. by TooWhippy	Oct 14th, 2008 12:50:35 PM

I thought Howard was... by Mr Spork	Oct 14th, 2008 12:54:57 PM
already under contract for a sequel. Isn't that what they do when sequels are planned ahead of time? Sign the cast for multiple films at once? I don't buy Don Cheadle as a superhero. On the other hand, before Iron Man, I thought the same about RDJ. So, I could be wrong.
i agree by joevfx	Oct 14th, 2008 01:01:42 PM
it does suck the continuity is gonan be messed up, but Terrence howard didt play the role right, i dont even think don chiedal will work either. Chiwetel Ejiofor would be bad ass as Rhodes , he even looks like him.
HOWARD AS OR NOT AS WAR MACHINE... by VADER77	Oct 14th, 2008 01:22:34 PM
REAL SIMPLE..... THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT CHARACTER IN THE NEXT FILM AT ALL.... PROBLEM SOLVED.....
Terence Howard woulda been better as Tony Stark... by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 14th, 2008 01:26:31 PM
He actually looks more like the traditional Tony Stark than Robert Downey Jr. does, even though he's a black guy.
The contracts by Cory849	Oct 14th, 2008 01:28:25 PM
I agree with the folks who said there's something fishy here. Howard was almost assuredly contractually obligated to appear. I wonder if they just out and out fired him to get an actor with a bigger better name. Backstory is useful: The part of Pepper Potts was originally going to be played by someone else (I don't remember who and am too lazy to google dig for the info) but when Ms. Paltrow expressed interest, they fired the actress and gave the part to her instead.
nerosday is right by joevfx	Oct 14th, 2008 01:31:07 PM
Marvel holds the ace card at this point in time in the movie industry. SUper Hero movies are HUGE right now, they are the new hot thing. And if an actor wants to be in a big budget Hero movie thats gonan sell tickets and make them huge, then They have to go to marvel at this point (since im sure marvel isnt gonan sell the character rights to any other studios anymore to make there movies.) Howard's Agent was a moron and tried to say Howard is bigger then Marvel. ITS FREAKING MARVEL YOU MORON. YOUR NOT BIGGER THEN MARVEL COMICS. hopefully Howard will fire that moron of an agent.
The funny thing is... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 01:39:54 PM

Shut down Sherlock Holmes!!!!!!! by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 14th, 2008 01:43:30 PM
And get DJ on the first flight to wherever the fuck Howard is! DJ could talk the panties off a nun. Seriously don't think this is will happen. Howard would be a fool to pass it up. Cheadle's a great actor, so is Ejiofor. Jeffrey Wright's a great actor as well. They'd all be good, but I just can't see Howard not doing this. He can't be that stupid. Can he?
j2talk by BrightEyes	Oct 14th, 2008 01:44:54 PM
You are a dumbass. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. You are the idiot who keeps posting that the only thing good about Ledgers performance is that nothing he did before showed he had the acting ability in him. So I guess you didn't see Monsters Ball, Brokeback Mountain or LORDS OF DOGTOWN, where anyone with half a brain knew that he could pull off Joker by his performance in that film alone.
Djimon Hounsou for Rhodey/War Machine by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Oct 14th, 2008 01:47:21 PM
I am a fucking genius. He would be BADASS. If they were feeling charitable, they could give it to that dickhead who told the world he was starring in Lethal Weapon 5! That guy needs a job!
Upgrading by a rolling stone	Oct 14th, 2008 01:48:46 PM
Re-casting roles with superior actors is fine by me. I know what everyone means when they say the continuity suffers, by getting used to new faces playing old roles, but Don C. obviously has much love here, aside from one or two who argue just to argue. And did ANYBODY here want to see Katie Holmes in another Batman movie? NO one saw The Dark Knight and said "Man, it would've been so much better if Katie Holmes had come back". At least, no one sane and sober said that.
Good riddance by Fatsquatch	Oct 14th, 2008 01:54:15 PM
Don Cheadle is FAR better than Terrence Howard. UPGRADE!
**UPGRADING?? by VADER77	Oct 14th, 2008 01:54:19 PM
WELL, GYLLENHALL SUCKED AS WELL, BUT I WOULDN'T PISS ON EITHER OF 'EM IF THEY WERE ON FIRE... EQUALLY SUCKAGE THE BOTH OF 'EM.... I'M ALL FOR RELATIVE UNKNOWN ACTOR/ACTRESSES IN A LOT OF THESE ROLLS, BUT AS IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, THE POWERS THAT BE HOLD THE CASH AND THE CARDS.....
The funny thing is... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 01:54:59 PM
With Warner owning the rights to all DC properties, and Marvel now producing its own properties with the next batch going through paramount, this is almost harkening back to the old Marvel vs. DC days, only now with potentially billions of dollars at stake. The old friendly competition that Marvel and DC have had through most of my life time may devolve to the old 1960’s and 70’s eye clawing that they once were at. I’m a second gen comic geek, my dad talks about when he was a kid, fan boys would actually fight over the superiority of their brand over the other, remember the old catch phrase “Make mine Marvel,” it stemmed from those days. I keep having visions of rumbles outside of theaters with squads of geeks and fanboys armed with officially licensed Lucas arts light sabers and Iron Man and Dr. Doom helmets, Catwoman bull whips and prop replica batarangs and Cap shields facing off at the multiplex, God help us if Avengers 2 and JLA come out on the same day it could be fatal. Headline: “GEEK DIES AFTER INHALING FLYING GREEN LANTER RING” “IN BRIGHTEST DAY IN BLACKEST NIGHT FANBOY RIOTS A FUNNY SIGHT.” “NERD HORROR AT THE MULTIPLEX” You laugh. Give it five years, DC/WB vs Marvel/Paramount, I fear for the children. 
....... by VADER77	Oct 14th, 2008 01:55:18 PM
AND WE ALL KNOW HOW SMART THEY ARE........................... .............................. .............................. ......NOT
Keep HOWARD!!! by Demode	Oct 14th, 2008 02:01:15 PM
I thought he was great in the role. Recasting him SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1111
but seriously... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 02:03:59 PM
Having these major properties basically being reigned in under single studios this way could have the unique effect of causing actors to approach them for parts rather than the other way around, causing stars to campaign for a part not unlike Ryan Reynolds for Flash… This shit could get oddly amusing.
I thought Terence did a good job. by hallmitchell	Oct 14th, 2008 02:06:15 PM
How much more was he asking? I'm a big Don Cheadle fan though.
Who cares, when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009? by Motoko Kusanagi	Oct 14th, 2008 02:10:54 PM
no-fucking-body
Come on, we all know Emmanuel Lewis should.. by Roketopunch	Oct 14th, 2008 02:22:56 PM

have been 2nd choice, Sheesh. by Roketopunch	Oct 14th, 2008 02:23:30 PM

The Horror, the horror... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 02:24:42 PM
If this nightmare scenario should come to pass I can see the head of Marvel Studios standing on the roof of marvel’s executive offices in the heart of a raging thunderstorm all decked out in a gold lemay leotard and horned crown reciting the Skeletor speech from the Masters of the Universe flick. “YES! Of what consequence are you now? This Planet? These people? They are NOTHING to me! The universe is POWER!! Pure unstoppable POWER!!! And I am that force I am that power! Kneel before your MASTER!! I am more than man, more than LIFE, I-AM-A-GAWD!!!!” Joe Quesada at his knee squealing, “Yes, yes, master!” The Head of DC shackled before him, a Wonder Woman Comicon cosplay chick lamenting in the background.
Skull of Stan Lee on his staff still wearin shades by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 02:25:19 PM

This sounds good to me. by CoursinLarry	Oct 14th, 2008 02:25:41 PM
Personally, I really like Don Cheadle as an actor.
Sorry, went on a tangent there... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 02:27:33 PM
I'm back now. Man, that was like a bad trip.
What about Jamie Foxx as Rhodey? by SpyGuy	Oct 14th, 2008 02:32:47 PM
Dude was in JARHEAD and won an Oscar for RAY. Seems like a good fit for Rhodey if there's a fresh vacancy.
Cheadle is NOT cheaper. Here's how it happend. by ArcadianDS	Oct 14th, 2008 02:42:29 PM
Howard's Agent: "my client is not even showing up for principle photog without a guaranteed minimum of XXX." Studio Rep: "look. his role is budgeted for Hollywood minimum. Nothing more. he's practically supporting cast." agent: "supporting cast? He's going to be the primary villain in IM2. Do you think Heath Ledger worked for Hollywood Minimum?!" rep: "I really dont like where this conversation is going." agent: "well how about this? My client's demands just tripled. XXX,XXX or he's staying in Malibu." Rep: "XXX,XXX ARE YOU SERIOUS? I COULD HAVE DON F*KING CHEADLE FOR...hmmm. gotta go, i have another call. dialtone* rep: "Hello? Don? Great yeah hey listen. How about XXX,XXX to be the primary villain in Iron Man 2?"
Like you're going to notice.... by BiggusDickus	Oct 14th, 2008 02:50:38 PM
...once War Machine is up on the screen! You could have Sarah Palin in the suit and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, would it?
No "Next Time Baby" by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 14th, 2008 02:51:40 PM
Looks like Terrance Howard is pulling an Alec Baldwim/Jack Ryan. Maybe he'll get to star in a Tina Fey sitcom in the near future.
No, it doesn't much matter, but... by MrD	Oct 14th, 2008 02:56:42 PM
Howard fits the character better (though Cheedle is VERY awesome), and I'd rather stick with the same actor for continuity purposes.
Why not get Maggie Gyllenhall by Samuel Fulmer	Oct 14th, 2008 02:58:11 PM
Since it looks like she won't be getting the part of Skelator in the Masters of the Universe reimagining.
good riddance by slkboxrman	Oct 14th, 2008 03:00:24 PM
honestly im sure we all can agree that hearing that gay voice coming from war machine would be horrible...everytime howard spoke in IM i cringed, like chalk on blackboard....cant wait
"Roit -- we'll have a go next time, lovely, wot wot guvnah." by m00kiedood	Oct 14th, 2008 03:07:39 PM
I'm sorry, I just hear Cheadle's bad cockney accent from the Ocean's films whenever I see his face. "Blimey, Tony, you're snackered! Have cuppa hot black and sober up, mate!"
Arcadian DS... by mefrog	Oct 14th, 2008 03:09:30 PM
...that was great.
Jamie Foxx would A$K for too MUCH$$$$ by j2talk	Oct 14th, 2008 03:12:35 PM

They probably were concerned about the headgear. by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 03:12:52 PM
Look at the pics on the story, Howard's head looks like it's gonna pop, just imagine wrapping a helmet around that noggin', it will look like Pork Machine.
Iron Man Was Missing Something!!! by Media Messiah	Oct 14th, 2008 03:17:08 PM
The movie came off as being cheap. You could tell, at all times, that the producton was filmed on sets, and that hurt. Sometimes for supension of disbelief, you, the viewer, need to forget that you are watching a movie, and the great movies allow you to fade into them. Often times more than not, the viewer can almost feel like they are vicariously experiencing the events in the film, when done right. Where was the epic scope that this Iron Man movie needed, it just wasn't there??? The best comic book based film to date is The Rocketeer, oddly, like Iron Man, about a flying man using artificial means to accomplish that very feat. Now that film had epic scope, romance, heart, a soul and a brain!!! It was like all the best elements of the original Superman film, but sustained, and then building on it, that great foundation, throughout!!! The film was, is brilliant!!! However, Iron Man, save for handling some of the relationship between Tony Stark and his assistant properly, and some fun, but light and barely memorable jokes, it is largely a failed entertainment, and one of its bigger faults is a weak villain. I believe that Terrence Howard has intentionally overpriced himself in order to get out of the sequel because Iron Man was lacking in substance, and upon reflection, he realized this. Even Howard's performance was lacking because he was given nothing of real bite to act with. When you overprice yourself, that is just a nice way of saying, "I want out" without embarrassing anyone!!! I must however congratulate the filmmakers for trying to educate audiences about western world weapons manufacturers putting weapons into the hands of warring factions all over the world, including that of our enemies--and it's legal, even though these weapons are often used against us???
Cheadle isn't just cheaper, he's smarter by Mullah Omar	Oct 14th, 2008 03:22:36 PM
Step one: Star in a big hit for the masses. Step two: After you get a star-making turn, THEN ask for a bigger payday. Assuming Howard takes on a bigger role in the second film, and assuming the public loves it, he should have waited until AFTER that film was released to start jockeying for more cash. He went all in with a weak hand. Dummy. Now a guy like Cheadle shows up, will get even more exposure in a well-liked popular hit, and can cash in later. Even if he doesn't, this role opens up a whole new demographic for the guy, which of course will get him even more diverse opportunities in the long run. Cheadle is a working actor who never fails to get work and appears to be well-liked by his colleagues - which of course ensures that he always gets even more work. That's how you manage a career, Howard.
BrightEyes by j2talk	Oct 14th, 2008 03:28:12 PM
i saw those, i also saw Roar,the Patriot,a Knights Tale,Casanova etc......that is why i stand by my comments..I give the man the credit he is due, but the canonization of health ledger over The Dark Knight is ridiculous,he was a fine actor, just STARTING to make his mark and given time could have been truly great or crashed and burned-anyone is capable of 1 or 2 great performances but to do it consistently?!?!?.....
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Unspace tlink part by spidermanfreak20	Oct 14th, 2008 03:36:01 PM
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Christ by Cobbio	Oct 14th, 2008 03:39:37 PM
Cheadle will do fine, I'm sure, but this casting snafu puts a huge crimp in the flow of the series. When I think of Rhodey, I think of Howard, not Cheadle, thus I'd MUCH rather see Howard in the role. He's Rhodey, and Cheadle is not. Couldn't the studio just pony up a few more bucks? I mean, Christ...
I saw rocketeer by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 03:40:40 PM
I would never claim the hokey acting of the guy from JAG a young Connelly, a very bad Alan Arkin and a completely over the top Timothy Dalton as a cliché Nazi and let us not forget Paul Sorvino's gangster with a heart'o gold patriot inside... please. What other films have you watched in the last 17 years to consider this the apex comic flick? It was by Disney,no? Also it was very little like the comic it was based on as a result of it being from Disney. Also I dare you to tell me stop-motion effects and Zeppelin crash ending didn't "take you out of the movie." Here's a dialog snippet from Wikipedia: • Jenny Blake: "Everything about you is a lie." Neville Sinclair: "It wasn't lies, Jenny. It was acting." (The character of Neville Sinclair was broadly based on screen idol Errol Flynn who had been widely rumored to be a Nazi sympathizer. Timothy Dalton played up the role in a campy take on Flynn's "swashbuckling" acting style. • Jenny Blake: "Neville Sinclair is a-" Neville Sinclair: A what? Spy? Saboteur? Fascist? All of the above." • Cliff Secord: (Donning the Rocketeer's helmet) "How do I look?" "Peevy" Peabody: "Like a hood ornament."[2]
So who's the villain in IM2? Mandarin? Crimson Dynamo? by SpyGuy	Oct 14th, 2008 03:42:26 PM
Perhaps Elizabeth Banks as Madame Masque? If she can act like Laura Bush, Madame Masque should be a snap.
GOOD!!!! by fanboy71	Oct 14th, 2008 03:43:51 PM
I thought Howard was too high pitched and whiny in the first one. He was the only actor that I felt did NOT fit the role.
Rocketeer was fun... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 03:44:51 PM
I liked it very much when I was 12 and had the VHS, better than the phantom or the Shadow, I'll give it that, but I've seen beter. It was cute, if a man can say that word, but not great.
This Is Great, But Who Is Going To Play BAT-MITE In BATMAN 3?!?! by LaserPants	Oct 14th, 2008 04:01:42 PM
WHO?!?!?! WHO?!?!?!?!? HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHO?!?!??!?!?!? AIEEEEEEE!!!
The Rocketeer is fucking magic.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 14th, 2008 04:11:04 PM
...I watched it again shortly after Iron Man and realized how dull and lacking the flying scenes really were. And the score-- fuck me The Rocketeer score gets my blood boiling. Iron Man score = cheap wrestling video game music.
There are good parts to Rocketeer by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 04:23:09 PM
But, I just don't consider it to be the best comic flick of all time, nor is Iron Man for that matter, but of the two I do like Iron Man better, because it was one of "my comics" and so I had a great delight in seeing it brought to film, and it met my sensibilities better. I am not a fan of early 20th century period pieces because I just don't like to see an actor bashing me over the head with their vocal pacing going, look, it the thirties damnit. Indie didn't do that, and Indie is my pre WWII standard, but it’s like Rocketeer, Shadow, Phantom, and Dick Tracy that all came out in a 10 yr period there were just trying to hard in that respect. It's one thing to make a period piece about an era, but those films felt like period pieces about that era's movies. If that make any sense.
IDRIS ELBA? by halfmahalfn	Oct 14th, 2008 05:07:23 PM
Interesting comment a while back that this actor might suit the role. I'd say he'd be very good in it. Guess the studio is looking at a bigger name for the role however. If I had to choose, I'd still pick Howard for continuity purposes. Give him a few scenes where he can go a litle more hard-edged on the role - he was a wallpaper in IM. Of course, Cheadle would do the business, but it would no doubt jar with the many fans out there.
Don Cheadle can act circles around... by Banzai Rootskibango	Oct 14th, 2008 05:12:19 PM
...Terrence Howard. Good for them!
Denzel Washington and Will Smith were unavailable... by Banzai Rootskibango	Oct 14th, 2008 05:15:35 PM
...Bill Cosby was busy too.
The power of CLOONEY! by teethgnasher	Oct 14th, 2008 05:18:36 PM
Hmmm.............
Flavour Flav for war machine by Mr_X	Oct 14th, 2008 05:31:01 PM
pity i like howard and thought he did well in the role. I also hate to see cast changes in series films. come on people continuity!!!
that kinda sucks by palooka_boy	Oct 14th, 2008 05:47:22 PM
I really like Terrence Howard. Don Cheadle's great too, but not in the same way Howard was as Rhodey
howard and his baby wipes by alice 13	Oct 14th, 2008 06:09:53 PM
will have more spare time to develop a deeper relationship with one another now. lmao!
That is a good replacement. by sirdan357	Oct 14th, 2008 06:13:05 PM
I don't mind that Howard was replaced since he wasn't in the first all that much.
Terrance Howard by enderandrew	Oct 14th, 2008 06:14:31 PM
I haven't read a single Iron Man comic, so I can't comment on whether or not Howard was appropriate for the role, but he certainly isn't a bad actor. People on this very site universally praised the casting as inspired. What gets me is that I think Cheadle will offer up a very different character, and that will take me out of the movie.
Terrence Malick as War Machine! by Drunken Rage	Oct 14th, 2008 06:21:15 PM

Chiwetel Ejiofor looks more like Rhodes than both Cheadle and Ho by Stalkeye	Oct 14th, 2008 06:21:59 PM
I was a bit skeptical in regards to Terrance being cast as Rhodey, as one of the posters pointed out; too effemante (both looks and voice.)however he managed to pull it off especially during the comedic scenes. (being drunk on the plane with strippers as well as the "military excercise" disclosure.) Howard is a good actor, but he won't be missed much. What's Micheal Jai White doing nowadays post TDK? He's perfect for WM.
Maybe I'm crazy... by robhouston	Oct 14th, 2008 06:23:27 PM
but I think the best replacement for Howard would have been Cuba Gooding Jr. I know he has fried himself with Disney Movies and those stupid Hanes ad's but hell - RDJ was messed up on drugs - there is a hell like correlation between those two situations.
Oh.. by robhouston	Oct 14th, 2008 06:24:51 PM
And he looks more like Howard than Cheadle. That said Cheadle is one of the greatest actors working today.
Cuba Gooding Jr. why didn't I think of that. by SID 8.0	Oct 14th, 2008 06:41:08 PM
Quite a few TBers have suggested him above dammit! That's genius. I like Cheadle too though. But as War Machine Gooding would be great. American Gangster was a step in the right direction but this would be a good follow up.
I will only believe this... by ugh	Oct 14th, 2008 06:59:14 PM
...when they actually start shooting IM2 and Howard isn't there. Besides for as much crap Favreau had to deal with from Marvel publicly hanging him out to dry just to get the OK to direct the sequel(s), this news comes way too sudden to be taken seriously.
SID 8.0, because lately his movies have by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Oct 14th, 2008 07:04:36 PM
been crap. When was the last time Gooding made a good movie, no pun intended. I think the last one I saw him in was Men of Honor. I caught part of Radio, and just couldn't get into it, not because of Gooding, but just because. Cheadle was War Machine?, now I can get into that.
And so the downward spiral begins... by Logan_1973	Oct 14th, 2008 07:06:27 PM
If these idiots weren't smart enough to sign the principle players to at least a 2-film deal then they get what they deserve. You can hereby dismiss any thoughts of Iron Man 2 being the next Dark Knight.
CUBA GOODING JR, damnit! by abysstare	Oct 14th, 2008 07:32:36 PM
Jubba, great minds think alike... I had just finished writing the same thing over at S-Hype when I came here and saw you had beaten me to the punch on aintitcool. And by the way, Cheadle is a kick-ass actor, but as I said elsewhere, this is why Gooding would have been a better choice: "In all seriousness, you know who they should have gone after??!?! CUBA GOODING JR....! He would have been PERFECT for the role, he would have played it note perfect, and because his career is currently in the toilet, they could have picked him on the cheap, without showin' him da money! It would have been a brilliant move, and a very good choice as a replacement."
nerosday by slkboxrman	Oct 14th, 2008 07:34:07 PM
um obviously u watched "the rocketeer" knew who the main leads were but think the guy from JAG was in the movie... are u dumb or just very young ? the rocketeer was played by bill campbell, played jordan collier on the 4400 later on....
Iron Man 2 leaked animatic animations..... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 14th, 2008 07:35:55 PM
http://tinyurl.com/6ymyp9
logan by slkboxrman	Oct 14th, 2008 07:37:31 PM
howard was far from necessary...his voice was horribly feminine...i think cheadle will be a great replacement.....we will all forget about howard.....hes not worth breaking the bank, guess he will know that next time he tries to overestimate his worth...he basically blew the role of a lifetime and a spinoff franchise to boot...good job u greedy ass...don cheadle has always been a good supporting actor, maybe this will boost him into the A list of stars that he belongs in.
On second thought by ugh	Oct 14th, 2008 07:39:50 PM
Marvel's loss can be DC's gain! Sadly, this could be the beginning of the end of Marvel's good fortune. Think about it. After correcting huge missteps by WB on the homoerotic Schumacher Batman movies, Singer's coming out of the closet and hack remake of the original 1978 Donner film with Superman Returns, and an even bigger hack Pitof's Catwoman, WB finally started to listen and work with DC (a company they have owned forever it seems) and produce V for Vendetta (good although a bastardization of a Alan Moore classic), Batman Begins/The Dark Knight (films speak for themselves), and the soon to be released Watchmen (which could be great enough mend even Alan Moore's heart). So things are looking up. Marvel, on the other hand: Spidey 1, respectable. Spidey 2, kick ass! Spidey 3, sucked ass! Fantastic Four/FF2:RotSS, only little kids could appreciate them because it felt like a '70's Saturday morning cartoon. Daredevil & Punisher (T. Jane), bitch about the acting if you want but the script and directing were the true letdowns. Hulk/The Incredible Hulk, second verse same as the first! Punisher: WarZone, Lexi's named director yes, Lexi actually directing it.... If this is the mindset @ Marvel, expect the law of diminishing returns to go into full effect and may not recover in time for the planned Avengers film.
I totally thought that was Cuba Gooding Jr in Iron Man by MilkyLicker	Oct 14th, 2008 07:43:12 PM
Isn't Cuba, like, Terrance Howard's stunt double? Or is that the other way around? Anyway, they're both too effeminate for my taste. Not enough cock 'n balls. Don Cheadle can kick your ass and make you enjoy it at the same time.
Good Upgrade for the War Machine Armor! by ColloquiallyBorn	Oct 14th, 2008 07:48:04 PM
Imagine that little feminine voice telling a bad guy that he'll smash him up... Seriously, the bad guy will ask "Who's in that armor Stark? Did you put Miss Pots in there?!?!" He was the weakest link in that movie (and I'm not a fan of Palthrow by a mile! Hell almost shit my pants when I heard they cast her in this movie, but she did ok...). I think IR2 will be better off with Cheadle, while he doesn't have the size of Howard he does know how to act, and he's 'bout the same size as Jr so.. He can fit in the armor!.. While Chiwetel Ejiofor would be a hell of a choice because of his voice and stature, I fear he's not a good enough actor to go head to head with Jr.
I DON'T NEED YO GHETTO SCENES by The Amazing G	Oct 14th, 2008 07:52:14 PM
AND I DON'T NEED YO WAR MACHINE
props if you can guess what song that's from by The Amazing G	Oct 14th, 2008 07:52:38 PM

BRING BACK TERENCE HOWARD AS "PORK MACHINE"!! by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 08:09:03 PM
He dispenses shredded BBQ from his chest plate and has bun warmers on his palms instead of repulsor rays! "Tony...when was the last time you had something decent to eat?" Tony rolls his eyes and ignores him.
American Woman.. by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 08:09:43 PM
duh..
Stop fucking around people...Danny Glover as War Machine by Six Demon Bag	Oct 14th, 2008 08:12:05 PM

Danny by Six Demon Bag	Oct 14th, 2008 08:15:56 PM
The Rocketeer was made at an impressionable time in my life and yes, this movie kicked ass. Score by Horner, if I'm not mistaken, before he started repeating himself
Now Howard can get back to realizing HUSTLE AND FLOW II... by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 14th, 2008 08:35:34 PM
...Electric Boogaloo...
IQ is 148 thanks by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 08:49:17 PM
but thanks for being a jack-off for a simple mistake prick
And just so you know... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 09:22:14 PM
Age 31, BA’s History and Psych, working on a masters in History, former Army Warrant Officer and rotor jockey, now teach history at a private school in GA, married one kid(son 8)second will be here in about 7 months, bored silly because I'm home nursing a broken leg currently from having to lay my bike down last weekend, and the pain meds are fun...yay, shoe size 10, I'm an Aquarius, enjoy Thai and long walks on the beach, fav color is green, lilies make me smile, and sometimes I have the desire to become a professional chef. (whew) So Slkboxrman, is that enough information for you to determine if I am young or dumb?
Hell yeah...now you're talking!! by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 14th, 2008 09:25:53 PM
THE GLOVE!! http://tinyurl.com/3zepj6
The Rocketeer is fucking awesome.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 14th, 2008 09:29:47 PM
Can it really be considered a comic movie though? Weren't there only like 5 issues or some shit? And I thought the film had little to do with the comics.... Anyhow its just a bad ass adventure film. Its got such an awesome playful spirit I can't help but smile every time I watch it. Iron Man was okay...but there is no fucking comparison. And Terrence was my favorite part of the first film. Cheadle is a whiny pussy. I just can't take him as a tough lead. Say what you want about Terrence's soft voice, but that mutha fucka' would whoop yo' ass.
Age 31, BA’s History and Psych, working on a masters in History, by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 09:36:35 PM
no offense dude but blahblahblahblah.Say something witty, wise or insightful, otherwise who gives a fuck about how brilliant you are?
Lillies make you smile? by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 09:42:17 PM
You're turning this thread into a cross between a douche commercial and a gay men's personal ad.
Blah blah's real witty... by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 09:44:24 PM
I wasn't trying to come off smart or witty, I just don't like being called stupid.
FUCK IRON MAN 2 by ingloriousjedi	Oct 14th, 2008 09:59:00 PM

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malificus by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 14th, 2008 10:12:37 PM
He was responding to someone else. Not to you motherfucker. Open wide and gargle my semen you little smart ass.
Mr Glover you are a gentleman, sir by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 10:27:02 PM

Why are you always starting shit, Glover? by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 10:44:09 PM
I was just taking a little piss out of this dudes ego and now you gotta ratchet shit up with your cock bullshit. Does everything in life boil down to a big fat choad with you? Yes, I am a smartass, born, bred and raised, but at least I'm a smartass with a dash of clever humor, whereas you simply simply step up to the plate with a hefty bag of self-loathing and unrequited cock-obsession. Why don't you get yourself into one of those cock-choke vid's and gag on it for a while and take your edge off a little?
Oh, I get it.. by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 10:49:14 PM
..as soon as I said gay man's personal ad that automatically gets Glover's attention. And nero speaking only for myself you came off like a douchebag marbling on about your BA's and your love of flowers and baking with your EZ Bake oven and whatnot. Glover's not your buddy, he's just drawn to anything gay...you know.. because he's all about cock and whatnot.
I've only seen one douch in here tonight. by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 11:14:39 PM
You really seem to focus on education and sexuality there Mal two things you're insecure about I wonder?. I just think someone ought to know someone a little before they call them stupid. Does college make me smart, hell no, some of the dumbest people I know are “educated,” that was never the point of my post, I just get sick of the constant barbs shot around in here, I don't think they're called for. You want to talk about Geekshit in here fine, that's what its here for. But, the anonymity of the net lets people grow balls they wouldn't have in real life, and I make a point to never put a man down who doesn't fuck with me first. Danny has seen me in posts before and knows I'm usually a non confrontational laid back type, but Fuck you and your insecurities, and your lack of a motherfucking sense of humor, that anyone could tell my post was a fuckin joke after my motherfuckin shoe size. You wanna sit back alone in your fuckin basement and cast stones cause you're fuckin lonely go ahead bitch. I don't have the patience or the energy to entertain lame assed little brats like you, so if you want to talk about movies and comics go on if you want to bitch and moan and be a general douche all night feel free I'm been one this thing all day I can sign off anytime and not have my life be so fucking empty as to have to carry on some fucking mock I'm a douche you’re a douche mock fucking battle on AICN to make you feel better about yourself. Get a life, grow some nuts, and come up for air sometime ya fucking C.H.U.D. looking motherfucker.
Screw you and goodnight by nerosday	Oct 14th, 2008 11:15:34 PM

Pimpin' Aint Easy. . . by George Newman	Oct 14th, 2008 11:20:20 PM

Imagine that the comic changed artistist depiction of the charac by George Newman	Oct 14th, 2008 11:22:09 PM
heh, imagine the casting change as a representation of an artistic change in a comic. A new artist is coming in and he draws Rhodes in a different way.
Hey Nero by malificus	Oct 14th, 2008 11:28:05 PM
For being so far above it all you sure throw down hefty, don't you? I'm "insecure about education"? Why should I be? I got more edjamication than molst stiff's around, formal and otherwise, most stiffs can't even hang halfway decent in conversation with me, I'm intimidated by no man. Glover's the one that boils everything down to cock, not me, I was just giving you a little shit for your post, VERY little shit as it turned out. If you need dogshit like Glover to defend you and your skin is just that thin then go hang out at the Entertainment Weekly site, and don't even try and claim the high ground then spout off for an entire paragraph either, you big fucking whiner. Glover's not your buddy, he's the epitome of everything you just bitched about so grab your banky and hit the sack, babies getting a little cranky.
Im not too upset by Phategod2	Oct 14th, 2008 11:55:28 PM
They're both well established actors. I just wish it wasn't needed but It could be worse with the Following: DMX, Lil Wayne or any Rapper with the word Lil in there name, Will Smith, LL Cool J, Micheal Jai White, Busta Rhymez, Eddie Murphy. I just dont understand How Don Cheadle is Cheaper then Howard.
Anchorite by Phategod2	Oct 15th, 2008 12:11:37 AM
Lay off the Oboma shit kid.
Oh man that baby wipes line nails it: He's frakked by Stormwatcher	Oct 15th, 2008 12:44:21 AM
Cheadle will own in this. Come on, its Cheadle. Imagine him versus a Sam Jackson led Shield.
Why are so many pissed off? by Darth Chef	Oct 15th, 2008 12:44:38 AM
Hell, the characters don't always look the same when a different artist draws them... and you don't lose continuity there. It's just like a different artist on the book now.
War Machine vs. Hulk: That should be a movie by Stormwatcher	Oct 15th, 2008 12:45:38 AM
Think about it, either a spin off for War Machine or Hulk 2, you have Downey in a small supporting role, and you have 2 great actors, Norton and Cheadle face off against each other, throw Shield in to the mix and its the perfect primer to an Avengers movie.
Howard is correct by malificus	Oct 15th, 2008 02:57:58 AM
if you're not baby wiping back there, you aren't truly clean, although mentioning that in a national publication makes him one strange dude. I'll bet Cheadle can go a week in the woods and never even snap one off, much-less worry about clean up.
Terrance Howard should fire his agent by zooch	Oct 15th, 2008 03:03:14 AM
They can't agree on a deal for the second lead in a sequel to the second biggest film of the year? So what? He can be in another shitty movie with Jodie Foster like "The Brave One"? How about that one with Hayden Christensen and Jessica Alba no one ever saw "Awake"? Or star in that one about swim team coach "Pride"... exciting. Or perhaps typecast in another rapper movie? He's good at that.
Avengers ASEMBLE! by a rolling stone	Oct 15th, 2008 03:04:28 AM
the true test will be Thor and Cap. We got Cheadle, Norton, Downey Jr, Jackson, (thor actor), and (cap actor)...
Marvel should fire their agent too. by Mr Gorilla	Oct 15th, 2008 05:41:34 AM
They can't sign someone up for a three picture deal? How did they think Fox did X-Men? Also, surely the whole POINT was for Howard to be a bit nothing in this then emerge as stronger in the sequel. Like Sam Jackson in the Prequels. Damn it, this is like Jackson backing out after Phantom Menace - when he hasn't even got to do any good stuff yet.
You're wrong Mr Gorilla by submarinevoyage	Oct 15th, 2008 08:42:54 AM
Howard almost certainly WAS signed for multiple films. But when a movie is hugely successful like Iron Man, there is almost always contract renegotiation for the sequels (the same happens in TV, even for those under a current contract) – Downey Jr. no doubt got a huge pay hike for the sequel, as he should. Should Howard have gotten some sort of raise or bump above his originally contracted rate for the sequel? Probably. But the reason people are saying Howard must have a crappy agent is because it sounds very likely they asked for way more than Marvel felt was reasonable and probably wouldn’t budge.
miscast in the first place by MurderMostFowl	Oct 15th, 2008 09:26:03 AM
I don't think replacing Terrance Howard is a big deal. I don't follow Iron man in comic land and never have so I come pretty open minded of what he character was "supposed" to be in the first movie. What I saw on screen was a nice "buddy" military guy who was more 'Rod Tidwell' from Jerry Maguire than someone to take seriously. If he's supposed to be someone with any depth, I think he was miscast. I'm guessing the Studio thought so too.
yeah...its fucked...I hate replacing actors.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 15th, 2008 09:32:20 AM
...it just feels stupid. Whether you like Terrence or not-- it just fucks up the feel of the trilogy or whatever this will end up being.
Oh and Katie Holmes... by MurderMostFowl	Oct 15th, 2008 09:38:16 AM
Come on guys, you all knew Katie Holmes was not believable in Batman Begins. She didn't do horrible, but she didn't have the gravity or charisma needed for her role, especially as it grows in the 2nd movie. I was genuinely surprised at Maggie Gyllenhaal's performance in TDK. The movie is stronger because of it. I think it would have still done fine with Holmes, but still would have left you feeling like things were slightly unbalanced. Know what I mean? For me it's like the Frenchman in Matrix Reloaded. His character was worthless... I just didn't buy it, and while you can quietly dismiss it and still enjoy the movie, you're left feeling a little disappointed or distrusting.
Singing suit!! by Ang_Lee	Oct 15th, 2008 10:11:50 AM
A spinoff of War would be bad-ass if for one reason alone...The singing suit of the Alien armor!!! I can just image those battle scenes and the background score/music/singing! Yeah, I get excited about that sort of thing.
You're wrong submarinevoyage by Mr Gorilla	Oct 15th, 2008 10:32:47 AM
There are often renegotiations, yes, but it's not unusual to put some sort of a cap on any fee rises in the first contract. Now presumably Howard's role in a sequel would be much more substantial than what he did in the original. Nevertheless, this should all have been sorted before for the key players. PHANTOM MENACE did amazing business, but they kept their key players. As they have in HARRY POTTER. (Though less-vital ones, like Captain Panaka, walked, I noticed. Bit like Zoe Wanamaker walking from Harry Potter.) These negotiations can be a total nightmare but you can work through them.
Everyone left out the BEST part of Rocketeer by ArcadianDS	Oct 15th, 2008 10:43:23 AM
Terry O'Quinn as Howard Hughes.
Awesome news!!!!! I fucking hate Howard. by TheWaqman	Oct 15th, 2008 11:34:53 AM
This is only good news for me since I love Don Cheadle. I usually get annoyed with replacing actors. But replacing Holmes for The Dark Knight was great. And this will be too (plus Iron Man was SO standard and generic that it won't be that big of a deal, I still don't see how some retards here liked Iron Man better than TDK, I just rewatched it and it is quite boring, with the exception of RDJ or course, to be honest).
fuck by brandon11	Oct 15th, 2008 11:35:14 AM
as far superior as cheadle is...i hate when they change actors in the middle of a fuckin series. totally ruins the mood (exception for dark knight). its makes the seuspencion of disbelief just a little harder.
and what... by brandon11	Oct 15th, 2008 11:36:00 AM
hes not making enough money? what the fuck?
Everyone here is retarded by pleasebanme	Oct 15th, 2008 01:12:54 PM
How on earth can ANYONE complain about recasting a role when it's upgraded?! Did you REALLY want Katie Holmes in The Dark Knight? Is continuity more important than acting?!! You guys are fucking whiny stupid babies. I hope to christ that at the very least you're only thirteen year olds and can get away with your ignorance due to lack of ball droppage.
Did anyone go to IRONMAN because of Howard? by j2talk	Oct 15th, 2008 02:20:23 PM

baby wipes by oisin5199	Oct 15th, 2008 04:26:52 PM
wow, that article really makes Howard sound a bit batshit, and weak. Now as the father of a 3 year old, I don't know how I survived before I had baby wipes in the house. I use them all the time instead of napkins or paper towels. But I certainly wouldn't judge a woman (or anyone) for NOT having baby wipes in their bathroom. That's just weird.
Cheade doesn't have the brawn to play Rhodie by dkleener	Oct 15th, 2008 07:07:29 PM
Howard fit the role better.
pleasebanme by brandon11	Oct 15th, 2008 07:23:00 PM
are we calling eachother names now you rat fuck? you wanna go toe-to-toe? lets do it you piece of shit. you obviously dont read comics. howard is more rhodie than skinny fuckin wimp cheadle will ever be. howard is bigger and actually even looks similarly to rhodie. his acting wasnt perfect? ok, niether was paltrow's. at least howard seemed dedicated to the charactor in his interviews. and i made the exception for dark knight. continuity is pretty damn important in any series. However i would not put it over good acting...necesarilly. in this case, since howard was fine and youre a moron. id say its pretty fuckin important.
"next time you ride with me" by brandon11	Oct 15th, 2008 07:27:08 PM
that was fuckin chemistry. howard was fine for the part. don cheadle is a good actor...hes just NOT rhodie. i feel shit on.
Fanboys Make Me Laugh by Maxwell Bishop	Oct 16th, 2008 11:23:54 AM
Nothing pleases me more than reading a bunch of fanboys piss and moan about characters that don’t even exist and the actors who may or not play them. You know that’s why their called actors. You can actually have different actors play the same part. Only inflexible fanduds with zero imagination with have a problem with it. Now get back down to that basement before your parents get home.
now theres a petition.. by niemand	Oct 18th, 2008 09:03:41 PM
http://tinyurl.com/5srnao granted, theres only a dozen signatures....

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