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Moriarty Spies On Ridley Scott’s BODY OF LIES!

Loosejerk jerks off to Jerky Boys the Movie by Loosejerk	Oct 10th, 2008 06:44:21 AM
All these headlines are SHIT!
Wow! First? by DarthBakpao	Oct 10th, 2008 06:49:02 AM
don't think so
Fuck that! by moody by nature	Oct 10th, 2008 06:55:13 AM
I like Black Rain...
Ridley by SnakesOnABicycle	Oct 10th, 2008 07:19:23 AM
Great cinematographer, sometimes very mediocre director. And for those people who say the Kingdom Of Heaven director's cut is hot shit, go fuck yourself. I've given that movie 3 chances now, and each time it's bored me to tears. Orlando Bloom is a bad actor. The story doesn't deserve or need such a long running time, and most of the few and far between good parts I already saw in Gladiator. Scott's the definition of a hit and miss director, and more frequently with age just comes off as Tony's more pretentious brother.
Don't Get Me Wrong by SnakesOnABicycle	Oct 10th, 2008 07:22:51 AM
I love me some Alien, Blade Runner, Legend, and sometimes Black Hawk Down and Gladiator, but if you look at his whole filmography you'll see that A) he's overrated, and B) he's got a lot more pieces of shit than pieces of gold.
hmm, you sound like you were less than fully impressed, Mori: by newc0253	Oct 10th, 2008 07:30:15 AM
but BLACK RAIN bad? there are worse films to be as bad as, frankly.
Sill going to see it by zapano	Oct 10th, 2008 07:34:06 AM
The trailer looked awful but I like the talent involved. Kingdom of Heaven director's cut is much better than the original cut but it still falls short of greatness. The reason? Orlando Bloom, a terrible terrible actor. To decribe his performance as wooden would be too generous. More like compressed chipboard.
This will be a corner-turning film by cornponious	Oct 10th, 2008 07:50:40 AM
for Russell Crowe.
BLACK RAIN is fantastic! by bluelou_boyle	Oct 10th, 2008 08:06:15 AM
Don't understand the hate for that one. Shame about BODY though. It sounds like the studio ordered more explosions after all the other middle east / terrorism movies bombed. After the amazing Kingdom of Heaven DC I thought Scott I thought Scott was on a roll. Moriarty, how does it compare to 'The Kingdom'? I loved that.
Black Rain is cool by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 10th, 2008 08:09:06 AM
but this new one does sound pretty crap. Ridley Scott should seek out better material, anybody could make this kind of film. Ridley should be doing something more visionary and passing material like this onto Tony.
Ridley Scott hasn't made a good film in years. by rbatty024	Oct 10th, 2008 08:10:06 AM
The man had an amazing start, but since then he's sacrificed his talent to the Hollywood gods. The last film of his I enjoyed was Gladiator, and even that was merely a good action film (it should never have won best picture). People cut the man slack because of Alien and Blade Runner, but the fact remains that he will never again make a great work of art.
Good review by BDuncan	Oct 10th, 2008 08:17:35 AM
Thanks for the excellent analysis Mori. I expected you'd hate it and anticipate it'll be hit fairly hard by negative word of mouth.
Wow! What's with all the Ridley hatred? by Big_Bubbaloola	Oct 10th, 2008 08:24:45 AM
Ok, he's made a couple of duffers in his time, but then any director that bangs out that much work over that many years is never gonna strike oil each time. Hell, even Spielberg has a similar strike rate.
Mark Strong rocks! And is the best thing in Revolver by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Oct 10th, 2008 08:31:04 AM
His never-miss assassin Sorter is a creation of genius. Worth watching that movie for him alone
Here's why I dislike Scott and Spielberg's bombs get a pass. by rbatty024	Oct 10th, 2008 08:35:42 AM
Because even when Spielberg has an off film (like The Terminal) those movies are at least interesting. Scott hasn't made a truly interesting movie with something to say since G.I. Jane. Say what you will about that film, but it tackled the topic in a surprisingly sophisticated way and had great performances by Mortensen, Bancroft, and even Demi Moore. After that film he somehow morphed into Tony Scott. I can barely tell the two directors apart anymore. They basically put out slick action vehicles to make a buck. At least Spielberg is still interested in being an artist. I can't say the same thing about Scott. He's really thrown his talent away.
Is Mark Strong? by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Oct 10th, 2008 08:38:47 AM
I'm glad to see Mark Strong is doing well and gaining respect. He is one of our greatest actors. Hey Mori have you seen 'Our Friends In The North'? It was a British mini-series from the mid 90's that starred a then-relatively-unknown Mark Strong, as well the equally unknowns Daniel Craig and Christopher Eccleston. And it was blinking brilliant.
Mori: What is Brave New World? by Fawst	Oct 10th, 2008 08:41:23 AM
I can't find anything on it. IMDB has it listed as 2011, but the only info is available on IMDB Pro.
Oh nevermind... by Fawst	Oct 10th, 2008 08:42:05 AM
Didn't realize he's making Huxley's novel into a film. Sweet!
Dead-On review by The Ringwraith	Oct 10th, 2008 08:45:10 AM
The film was flat from start to finish. I had the exact same "how did this thing get made" thought while I was watching it. Of all the things Hollywood could spend 100 million bucks on why would they choose this sleeper? And what drew A-listers like Crowe and DiCaprio to it? There really ias nothing here you haven't seen before.
rbatty024 by waitingimpatientlyforingloriousb astards	Oct 10th, 2008 08:45:29 AM
Yeah, Indy 4 was artistic as crap...
KurtLockwood by waitingimpatientlyforingloriousb astards	Oct 10th, 2008 08:49:37 AM
Yeah, let's use this talkback as an opportunity to trast Tarantino... Moron. Also, Matchstick Men was a very good movie.
Brave New World, btw by The Ringwraith	Oct 10th, 2008 08:50:13 AM
Is one of the greatest science fiction novels, hell one of the greatest novels, ever written and its by Aldous Huxley. It's a satire of communism and modern social values and an astute commentary on religion human nature. I think Scott could be the perfect director for it. Very high hopes for that one...
BLACK RAIN does not exist in this dojo by Cobra--Kai	Oct 10th, 2008 08:51:23 AM
BLACK RAIN is a bit of a product of its time, but at the time I loved it. Must have watched it half a dozen times. Andy Garcia getting decapitated by motorbike Yakuza, Sato chopping off his own finger before killing all his rivals, Michael Douglas going berserk and smashing the place up. So back off the RAIN Mori - it is and always will be a great beers and pizza movie.
waitingimpatientlyforingloriousb astards by The Ringwraith	Oct 10th, 2008 08:56:23 AM
A director, or a human being, can be and do more than one type of thing. Just because Spielberg made one blatantly commercial film of questionable quality doesn't mean he has given up as an artist. And rbatty024, I think Scott has made some very unconventional choices, some good, some disastrous, over the last few years that would set him far apart from his brother - Hannibal, Kingdom of Heaven, Matchstick Men, American Gangster. Even Gladiator, while at its heart an action film, has a terrific aesthetic that suggests a keen vision behind it. Tony, on the other hand - Man on Fire? Domino? They couldn't be more different. Although I did think "Spy Game" a few times while watching "Body of Lies". Maybe thats just because they're both boring as hell.
You want to know why Ridley films don't work? by Darth Fart	Oct 10th, 2008 08:57:44 AM
Because he can't tell a story. Blade-Runner, for all its wonderful aesthetics, is lacking a strong through-line. He can certainly creative provocative images and I watch his films just for that, but he doesn't understand character and story. I thought Body of Lies was a good script, though.
wait for the 3-hour Director's Cut DVD by George Newman	Oct 10th, 2008 09:12:48 AM
I think Scott just needs an extra year of editing for each one of his movies from now on, especially so that he has time to convince the studio to let him release the longer Cut. Or he just really dropped the ball on this one. "GI Jane bad" is very disappointing
I don't believe you, Mori!!! by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 10th, 2008 09:14:13 AM
I can't be true.
The problem with Ridley Scott by comedian_x	Oct 10th, 2008 09:31:42 AM
is he does not respect script-writing. If you watch the behind the scenes on all his DVD's he is constantly asking for rewrites and mashing new scenes with older scenes. What you get is a semi-coherent mess a lot of the time -- every "bad" Ridely Scott movie has this problem.
Legend is shit in each of it's cuts. by performingmonkey	Oct 10th, 2008 09:34:11 AM
Perhaps there is a definitive cut waiting to be done (that's what Blade Runner was waiting for, now IMO it's a perfect movie) but I just dislike it. Cruise pisses me off throughout, and just about everything that happens in it is what every fantasy movie should avoid. Can you imagine if Peter Jackson had decided to do Lord of the Rings in this style?? It would have been so very bad. I believe Ridley Scott is gearing up for another sci-fi movie. Hope he can pull it off. It would be good if it was something like Sunshine, which I thought was the return of a brilliant space sci-fi flick, even if it wasn't perfect, just check out the sets and the model work, fucking excellent.
Mori and Saddam agree by ArcadianDS	Oct 10th, 2008 10:33:19 AM
Black Hawk Down is a must-see.
koh good, legend bad by ByTor	Oct 10th, 2008 10:41:23 AM
Seriously, I can't believe the love for Legend. You all need to tell me how you keep from falling asleep during it, because I've tried four different times to get through that fucking Ambien-esque thing, and no go.
Ridley seriously needs to take a few year off! by Powers Boothe	Oct 10th, 2008 10:42:32 AM
At this point there's little difference bewteen the work of Tony & Ridley. They both consistently churn out handsome-looking fluff. Okay, perhaps a noticable difference is that Ridley's work is a tad more bloated and self-important than Tony's. How much longer will TalkBackers give Ridley a free pass off of the reputation of revolutionary films like Alien & Blade Runner?
Mind you I think Tony has done some good work by The Ringwraith	Oct 10th, 2008 11:15:28 AM
I actually dig the hell out of "Deja Vu". A very well-made action film with no high-art pretentions. I thought Tony knocked that out of the park.
The trailer was an awful sign by I am_NOTREAL	Oct 10th, 2008 11:22:14 AM
With Scott, DiCaprio, and Crowe all heavily involved, and the preview still an incomprehensible mess, shoulda known this would be a dog.
Back off the 'Rain Mori! by dastickboy	Oct 10th, 2008 11:23:06 AM
Maybe better than the first Beverly Hills Cop films as a "fish-out-of-water" sub-genre movies? Just purely for the fact that Douglas was a bent cop, whereas Eddie was just a cheeky chappy.
Scott by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Oct 10th, 2008 11:23:21 AM
i dig alot of what he's done, Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven (even if it felt like Gladiators hang-over), Black Hawk Down are great films...but i just couldn't get into Legend, G.I Jane (though Viggo rocked in that), and i probably won't dig this...though i heard Leo's torture sequence is cool.
The problem with a vacation for Ridley by I am_NOTREAL	Oct 10th, 2008 11:30:41 AM
Is that, at almost 71, he probably doesn't want to spend 3 or 4 years sitting around.
but... did anyone ever took Ridley seriously? by cifra	Oct 10th, 2008 11:44:29 AM
... Blade Runner and Alien are good 'cause he couldn't fuck the perfect screenplay and acting. But most of the time he's just throwing in distracting nice visuals that serve to a lesser screenplay. Black Hawk Down by the way, was embarrassing, by the way, total propaganda, as Moriarty stated. Watched it twice. First one out of curiosity. Second, to believe they did what they did and that actually they did it THAT way. A pity somalian familys can't sue Scott and his team.
Absolutey dead on Mori by drturing	Oct 10th, 2008 12:01:08 PM
The Ridley Scott Problem - his films have an authoratitive, singular textural quality that no one else can even emulate well. And he has had a hand in two of the greatest genre films ever made which all of science fiction are indebted to. But I have a sense that ultimately Scott does understand narrative and so on - what he doesn't understand so well are people or at least how he portrays him. In fact the only Scott characters who ever really come alive are the fucked up, evil ones - Roy Batty is in actual fact the hero of Blade Runner (which does it make it more interesting), and every scene with Russel Crowe in Gladiator seems like it isn't totally eanest as much as his fascination with Joaquin Pheonix's fuckup. It's like his films have this treacly sentimental streak combined with an undercurrent of cynicism that just doesn't mesh. Whenever his stories praise good it feels forced and false. And politically, too, the man is just naive but dealing with big issues. I knew that Body of Lies would be meh when I read an interview with Scott and DiCaprio where Scott said of course you'd use torture to stop a ticking bomb, right Leo, to which Leo quickly distanced himself from. Or think about Hannibal in its entirety. Black Hawk Down had more brothers dying in it than at a Sarah Palin rally. It didn't help that he shot all the Africans as subhuman monsters. I mean admittedly he did an amazing job of shooting it, but I think he did a horrible job of humanizing it. Five mintues of Generation Kill has far more depth. Conversely, his very underrated brother Tony did the totally ignored and morally complicated Spy Games, as well as the nearly avant garde Deja Vu. And he did The Hunger. Come on people! Susan Sarandon and Catherine Deneuve lesbo scene! Give the man a break. As for Kingdom of Heaven, even the director's cut can't save it from Orlando Bloom's block of balsa wood. Not only is he wooden, he gets blown off the screen by light breezes. Likewise, the true story of Balin of Ibelin is interesting and morally grey, but again Kingdom of Heaven has a bullshit bit of triumphalism where good wins. Undoubtedly art direction wise its staggering. Seriously, Orlando Bloom a blacksmith.. WTF.
Alien is his only great film IMO by I am_NOTREAL	Oct 10th, 2008 12:04:56 PM
As influential and important to me personally as Star Wars is to a lot of TBers, Alien showed me what movies can be when everyone involved is at the top of their game, even though I didn't know it at the time, and even though the head-through-table effect with Ash is as clumsy as it gets. Nothing else in his filmography (BR included) holds up as well to me, although it all looks fantastic.
Black Rain was bad? American Gangster was good? by Spandau Belly	Oct 10th, 2008 12:09:17 PM
Say whut? I watched all of American Gangster and at the end I was still waiting for the movie to start. I figured it was maybe the first part of some planned trilogy like Lord of the Rings where they think just meeting a bunch of characters is enough for one movie and enough to get you back for more. Sorry guys, give me a second act please. But Josh Brolin was an awesome scumbag.
Ridley Scott blows.. by emeraldboy	Oct 10th, 2008 12:41:34 PM
Hot and Cold.
Staying Away by Cobbio	Oct 10th, 2008 12:43:44 PM
I never liked "Black Rain" either. In fact, I was amazed the director of "Alien" could direct such a blazingly silly piece of garbage. If "Body of Lies" is that bad, I'm staying away.
the Best thing in Kingdom of Heaven... by emeraldboy	Oct 10th, 2008 12:44:01 PM
is Edward Norton.
Mark Strong by Belasco_House	Oct 10th, 2008 12:48:34 PM
was very cool in Births Marriages & Deaths - one of my tv series of the 90s - next to a manic (and also brilliant) Ray Winstone
Does Dicaprio do press anymore? by buffywrestling	Oct 10th, 2008 12:50:22 PM
I've seen Crowe shlubbing himself al over the airways for this film, but no Leo. Then I realized, since the Titanic craze, I can't remember a film he's hustled for since the Beach. does he get it written into his contracts he doesn't have to do press, like everyone else? Titanic was along time ago, dude and you got puffier with age - start shaking your ass with the rest of them.
AMERICAN GANSTER by uberman	Oct 10th, 2008 12:58:10 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz. Could have been great. Ever see a documentary on the real events? They were ruthless, bloody and terrible. In the movie? Not so much at all. AMERICAN GANGSTER was boring, safe, tepid, meandering, forgettable-I cant remember one scene that stands out. One of the most forgetable gangster pics ever made...and based on the Real subject matter, it SHOULD have knocked it out of the part. Lame.
Here is the thing about Ridley scott... by emeraldboy	Oct 10th, 2008 01:16:42 PM
Before becoming a filmmaker Scott and his brother Tony Made commercials. They set up their own Advertising Company RSA. Both have brought their commercial visual styles to hollywood. with the scotts story takes second place or with tony scott, there doesnt have to be a story at all.
The scene with the church is very good.. by emeraldboy	Oct 10th, 2008 01:20:22 PM
and amazing grace playing in the background. wow. American Gangster didnt gell for some reason. SE DVD is the Complete film.
mark strong by stoops	Oct 10th, 2008 01:22:19 PM
2 aicn reviewers are raving about mark strong's performance. am i missing something? He was basically doing Andy Garcia.
You will forget all hollywood gangster films... by emeraldboy	Oct 10th, 2008 01:24:52 PM
after you have seen Gomorrah. Based on real events and based on the book called The Gomorrah exposing the naples mafia. The Gomorrah are the real deal.
the gomorrah post cont. by emeraldboy	Oct 10th, 2008 01:26:27 PM
the author of the book is now in hiding.
uberman by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Oct 10th, 2008 01:26:38 PM
agree with you 100% about American Gangster...totally forgettable, i mean...Denzel was being Denzel and thats fine because he is a great actor and Josh Brolin did an excellent job with what was given to him, but nothing really stands out about that flick.
Watch Hannibal in mute by Six Demon Bag	Oct 10th, 2008 01:39:31 PM
Good times, good times...So you're saying the Scott Bros. know HOW to make a film LOOK good, its just the writing that is not so much..that's not really their fault...they can do only so much with a shitty script
Great Article by BilboRing	Oct 10th, 2008 01:57:37 PM
I wonder if Bay was there for this.... http://www.app.com/article/200 81010/NEWS/81010036
oh em gee... Ridley Scott... Scott Bros. are unstoppable. by halberd	Oct 10th, 2008 02:23:15 PM
Ridley is the serious visual artisan whilst his brother is the handcranking action-vehicle. The way they use their cinematographers is just stellar in both style and execution. Both have worked with teh ZEL [as in Denzel] and both love high shutter = epic win. BODY OF FUCKTASTIC I can't wait. - GSantos
Okay, if it's BLACK RAIN BAD, then I'm in fucko. by alucardvsdracula	Oct 10th, 2008 02:26:40 PM
Sorry Moriarty, didn't mean anything by the fucko comment. I respect your prose and opinion, however, calling a Ridley Scott film Black Rain Bad is a good thing in my bad little book since I have a semi hard on for this certain movie, as retarded as that may seem. I have fond memories of Mr Douglas and his mullet, moist from said rain, and enjoyed many a cheezy VHS evening with said movie. Anyways I look forward to Mr Scott's latest movie with great interest even if you thought so little of it.
Black Rain..bad? DEMS FITIN' WOIDS!! by Circean6	Oct 10th, 2008 02:32:52 PM
Sriously Mori, it can't all be Legend & Blade Runner..besides I'll take a bad Ridley Scott movie over a great Jerry Bruckhiemer any day...
Hey Mori, by BobaFetish	Oct 10th, 2008 02:55:03 PM
You really like the word ICONAGRAPHY, huh?
The marketing really sucked on this one by AlwaysThere	Oct 10th, 2008 03:07:36 PM
And Ridley seems to have lost it.
"And if there was ONE of you guys who had an original idea by superunknown85	Oct 10th, 2008 03:09:34 PM
you'd be so tight that you couldn't even pull it out of your ass!" Black Rain kicks ass. Kingdom of Haven was a masterpiece. American Gangster was a damn solid piece of filmmaking. Sure Scott's had some blunders here and there, but he's still one of the top filmmakers out there today.
KOH DC is amazing by SpawnofAchilles	Oct 10th, 2008 03:28:04 PM
If you don't see that, I pity you. Yes Orlando Bloom sucks but he's at least watchable in it and I didn't know he had other he wanted to cast that makes a lot of sense and really sucks that he didn't get his way. Fuckin' Studio suits. Brave New World is going to be sicker then AIDS son!
Black Rain was Bad? by AnakinsDiapers	Oct 10th, 2008 03:29:22 PM
Let me go back to sleep, cause i've obviously woken up in bizzaro world.
Translation: by kataklysmic	Oct 10th, 2008 03:50:02 PM
It wasn't liberal enough for Moriarty.
Saw it by originalmemflix	Oct 10th, 2008 04:08:13 PM
I'm surprised Mori didn't say anything about his Ridley's brother's far more superior work in the genre with Spy Game. If someone were to tell me that the director of 'The Fan" would do a better job with a spy thriller, I would've told you were out of your mind. Mori's right on about Strong, but I thought Crowe as usual did a fantastic job. One thing worth mentioning is the crime to acting Scott made. The immensely talented and severely underrated actor from Paradise Now, Kais Nashif, is used in a throwaway role that could've been played by anyone. To just willynilly cast this man in a role like that, to me, is a disrespect to what Nashif did in that brilliant film.
Katklysmic... by TheRealMoriarty	Oct 10th, 2008 04:25:14 PM
... keep trying, buddy. If you think that's got anything to do with it, you're a whack job. You can't back up a comment like that with my history of reviews on the site. Just doesn't add up that way.
Sad to say, Legend did not reach its full potential by Six Demon Bag	Oct 10th, 2008 05:09:18 PM
it could have been so much more. don't get me wrong, Tim Curry IS that movie but everything else is half baked. This was not Ridley's fault though. I have a strange feeling the same man who fucked with Brazil fucked with Legend. I do like Mia Sara dancing to Tangerine Dream though.
I was excited for this film... by Sakurai	Oct 10th, 2008 05:11:21 PM
until I saw the trailer and all the commercials. This review settles it. Pass.
Ridley Scott is not bright enough by Thunderbolt Ross	Oct 10th, 2008 05:17:35 PM
I've enjoyed many of his films but he's not exactly a brainiac. The best thing for him is to let themes develop organically, not try and control them with his modest intellect. Not to beat a dead horse, but his explanation in an interview of Deckard being a replicant in Blade Runner, and how pleased he is with the "cleverness" of it - that says it all.
Zom-bot.com by TheRealMoriarty	Oct 10th, 2008 05:36:11 PM
You should see the coffee table Rob Bottin made out of his full-body nude Mia Sara lifecast that he had to do for LEGEND, since that dress was literally sculpted onto her. It's basically her nude body supporting a glass top. God bless Bottin.
SAVE FERRIS! by Maniaq	Oct 10th, 2008 06:04:48 PM
so "hamhanded" you say... no fisting involved then?
Mori by BadMrWonka	Oct 10th, 2008 06:22:43 PM
aren't Black Rain and GI Jane bad in a Tony Scott kind of way? they're TOTALLY Tony Scott bad. this sounds bad in a "Crash" kind of way, yeah? thinks it's saying something when it's saying nothing? check. takes on a controversial subject with nothing to say? check. reinforces the same stereotypes it pretends to be addressing? check. unnecessary explosions? check. sandra bullock's character changing her motivation completely for no reason? (I don't know, I haven't seen Body of Lies yet...)
ok BOTH Scott brothers have made good and bad films by Maniaq	Oct 10th, 2008 06:34:45 PM
I didn't mind DejaVu and dug the hell out of Enemy of the State, but there's SO MUCH crap with Tony, it's hard to look forward to another. As for Ripley (er, sorry Ridley) I have to agree with Mori on Black Rain - FAIL! And if you have to include Legend in your top five films then that's saying something right there. Can I suggest (IMO) a much better film to use in any discussions about Ridley occasionally making a good film - Thelma and Louise. Hasn't rated a mention yet but it takes a big furry dump on Legend and Black Rain as far as I'm concerned and disproves any theories about the director not understanding character development. The problem - as has already been pointed out - is that BOTH Scott's are essentially TV COMMERCIAL directors. Occasionally that aesthetic actually works for a feature film and you have a film like, say Top Gun, which resonates with an audience satiated on a TV diet and becomes... dare I say it... ICONIC. But most of the time, ask for a commercial director and you will get American Gangster or Domino. Don't these guys actually have some TV projects they're doing? They could be good - oh wait, are they responsible for the TV Andromeda Strain? I take it back.
That Settles It, Then... by Goldfingah	Oct 10th, 2008 07:52:42 PM
I'm going to go see "Tropic Thunder" which we're getting several months late here in the Philippines, instead of this, which we're getting on time because it's a "big action movie" starring marquee names. This is what I read reviews for; to help (not necessarily determine) me decide what movies to go to when my budget is tight and I'm on the fence. Thanks Mori.
CBS Films are film adapting Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp books by BDuncan	Oct 10th, 2008 08:31:45 PM
I expect the much lower budgeted, South Africa filmed 24 TV movie (that has actors Jon Voight and Robert Carlyle in it) to air on Fox next month will be far better than this. Also if any readers are into spy thriller action books, CBS Films are intending to cinema film adapt author Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp books and hopefully won't fuck it up.
Black Hawk Down was shit... by TheWaqman	Oct 10th, 2008 09:33:32 PM
...I would consider that one of Scott's worst IMO. It's fun to look at but it's so shallow and just plain crap. Didn't like it. I think his highest point this decade was Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut. A fucking masterpiece that could have been. Also Gladiator was enjoyable and brought out some pretty good performances and kickass music.
Guess I'll have to see it now... by BurnHollywood	Oct 10th, 2008 09:49:56 PM
...If it's "BLACK RAIN bad". There's some lovely geopolitical / economic / cultural interplay going on under the surface of that show, and the cinematography is worth the trip alone.
What the hell? I really liked this film by Nasty In The Pasty	Oct 10th, 2008 11:07:38 PM
At least it wasn't a stultifying, finger-wagging wank fest like the 500 Iraq movies released last fall...
How is Scott's 1492 with Depardieu? by George Newman	Oct 11th, 2008 12:16:53 AM
it came out around the same time as Raul Julia's Columbus flick and I only saw the latter. I was in second grade. BLOCKBUSTER only has the VHS, heh.
haha, correction by George Newman	Oct 11th, 2008 12:28:58 AM
just looked up Chris Columbus: THe Discovery; shows how much i know, it wasnt Raul at all, heh. like i said, I was second grade. 1992 was a long time ago and i never revisited the pic
I really want to watch 1492.... by TheWaqman	Oct 11th, 2008 12:32:02 AM
I've heard about it but I've never been able to find it anywhere. Please release on BluRay!
The movie isn't a total loss, BUT by Rocklover79	Oct 11th, 2008 12:36:54 AM
It IS like a stuttering kid trying to recite the goddamn Gettysburg Address. Good shit to say, but the words don't come out correctly. The love interest is shoehorned in, Crowe phones it in (literally), but I did like Leo and LOVED Mark Strong.
And the ending by Rocklover79	Oct 11th, 2008 12:39:36 AM
was a total pussy's way out. Ugh, they completely pulled their biggest punch at the last moment and undermined their entire film in the process.
Ridley Scott's worst works by J.B.M.A.	Oct 11th, 2008 01:47:50 AM
are worth ten of most other directors, at the very least in their visual lexicon. Which is why we're all still discussing the fella on these talkbacks. In fact his work is almost more interesting when he buggers it up - BladeRunner being a prime example. Oh, and anyone who doesn't rate 'Kingdom of Heaven' in any sense is without doubt a bit of a cunt. Really.
Only saw LEGEND last year, and... by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 11th, 2008 07:10:43 AM
... I was amazed at how fresh and gorgeous it looked. It wasn't the greatest films I admit, but it's alright. The same goes for THE BROTHERS GRIMM.
we are already by conbarba	Oct 11th, 2008 07:12:52 AM
way past Scott´s bedtime. Horribley Scott, he died half-way Legend.
I'm a HUGE Scott fan, but... by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 11th, 2008 07:13:43 AM
... apart from THELMA AND LOUISE, he had a barren 1990's. I would love Ridley Scott to have a go at WORLD WAR Z. That would be very interesting. I still wonder what his and Arnie's I AM LEGEND would've been like!?!?
conbarba by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 11th, 2008 07:17:02 AM
No chance. I absolutely loved AMERICAN GANGSTER. I think it's really underrated. It was definitely in my top 10, well, maybe top 5 films of 2007. Loved it.
Mori by Six Demon Bag	Oct 11th, 2008 08:11:59 AM
where is said table that i may place my bevs on?
Legend by Dollar Bird	Oct 11th, 2008 08:28:14 AM
I saw this movie for the first time in many, many years last winter and it does not hold up to my memories. Beautifully shot, some great costumes and make-up, and I really like the fantasy world that's been created. It feels closer to Shakespeare's "Midsummer Night's Dream" than "Lord of the Rings" in terms of the kind of fantasy that's taking place. But, it's kind of lame and also lacks some of the epic-ness I had thought was in the film. The villain's threat never feels that severe and his henchmen are a bunch of losers. The swamp witch (played by the hologram doctor from that one Star Trek) is more terrifying than Darkness' little grunts. Also, Tom Cruise's character is kind of milquetoast and Mia Sara never did it for me. (I much preferred the feisty fairy.) Still, anything with Billy Barty in it gets an occasional pass for repeated viewing. (Except maybe "Radioland Murders".) Ridley Scott can be hit or miss. There's no denying the man's got an eye, but sometimes I wonder if he has a heart and blood.
Black Rain is great. by pip1345	Oct 11th, 2008 08:59:35 AM
I just wanted to add to the love-fest for Black Rain. It's one of those movies, when it comes on in the middle of night on TBS, that I just have to watch.
Black Rain is one of those good bad movies by Thunderbolt Ross	Oct 11th, 2008 10:03:46 AM
Like Point Break, or any number of Swayze movies, come to think of it. "Well fuck you very much." Just for that alone, it's great. Just terrible.
You lost all and any credibility when.. by aussiemclane	Oct 11th, 2008 11:39:18 AM
you said Black Rain was bad. Body of lies was decent, not great. But for you to attack a classic such as Black Rain - you stepped over the line player...and American Gangster? The director's cut of that rocks..
Lil Jon should have done the theme song to this. by polyh3dron	Oct 11th, 2008 02:01:42 PM
DONT START NO SHIT WON'T BE NO SHIT
Oh and Ridley: GO BACK TO SCI FI by polyh3dron	Oct 11th, 2008 02:02:47 PM
PLEASE
Book sucked too by mooshki	Oct 11th, 2008 03:58:58 PM
Well, I only read a few pages of it online after seeing the movie, but I can't believe it got published. Really godawful writing.
Nothing is as bad as Black Rain by Greenleaf1	Oct 11th, 2008 08:24:44 PM
Sue me but I enjoyed this flick, it was great to see DiCaprio after waiting 2 years since Blood Diamond. American Gangster was way worse, just completely overblown nonsense that doesn't add anything to the genre. This was at least a solid thriller with some good performances (and Mark Strong was definitely terrific).
BLACK RAIN is great if you are GUY and not BITCH! by frg10	Oct 12th, 2008 10:02:39 AM

BLACK RAIN is classic for fuks sake! by frg10	Oct 12th, 2008 10:05:02 AM
Douglas, cinematography, music, you name it! Moriarty crossed the line. He is a bitch, he developed bitch tits!
Body of SH-ITE! by Alex Trevelyan	Oct 13th, 2008 12:15:02 AM
What a piece of Sh-ite! Terrible story. Absolute waste of talent. It was alright TV. Like a double episode of 24 (on its worst days). Is that the film they all signed up to? The ending was an ABSOLUTE cop out. Cinema Cowards. All parties are on a downwards spiral for last few years except Lio just started his disent. Next! (Flop at $13 m opening weekend-diseveredly so)
Body of SH-ITE! by Alex Trevelyan	Oct 13th, 2008 12:15:05 AM
What a piece of Sh-ite! Terrible story. Absolute waste of talent. It was alright TV. Like a double episode of 24 (on its worst days). Is that the film they all signed up to? The ending was an ABSOLUTE cop out. Cinema Cowards. All parties are on a downwards spiral for last few years except Lio just started his disent. Next! (Flop at $13 m opening weekend-diseveredly so)
Body of SH-ITE! by Alex Trevelyan	Oct 13th, 2008 12:15:10 AM
What a piece of Sh-ite! Terrible story. Absolute waste of talent. It was alright TV. Like a double episode of 24 (on its worst days). Is that the film they all signed up to? The ending was an ABSOLUTE cop out. Cinema Cowards. All parties are on a downwards spiral for last few years except Lio just started his disent. Next! (Flop at $13 m opening weekend-diseveredly so)
"A Good Year" was the worst one... by slaughterstorm	Oct 13th, 2008 07:56:44 PM
...not that i watched the whole thing.
Agree Tallboy! by Alex Trevelyan	Oct 13th, 2008 11:06:33 PM
MARK STRONG. It was like a panto here in Ireland & England. "Look out! He's behind you!". The film is poor all round. All departments. We'll all have forgotten about this waste of time in a week. CRAP!
Mia Sara Coffee Table by Trurl28	Mar 31st, 2009 08:32:19 PM
"You should see the coffee table Rob Bottin made out of his full-body nude Mia Sara lifecast that he had to do for LEGEND" Indeed I should :). Where do I sell my soul for a glimpse?
No friggin way by Orcus	Apr 1st, 2009 02:56:05 PM

Oh, someone wanted to sell a soul? by Orcus	Apr 1st, 2009 02:56:41 PM
10 bucks

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