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Harrison Ford comments on the status of a further INDIANA JONES adventure!

Indiana Jones is Dead. by Redfive!	Oct 4th, 2008 01:06:54 AM
Talk about sucking the Utter Dry.Indy 4 doesnt even exist in my brain,ive blocked it out.
Prossor by ChezKing	Oct 4th, 2008 01:13:21 AM
"Indiana Jones and the Everlasting Turn Signal" Prossor, that is freaking hilarious.
Please no. by Lucasblows	Oct 4th, 2008 01:18:00 AM
Harrison please don't do it. I hate George Lucas far more for ruining Indiana Jones than for ass raping Star Wars. Raiders is my favorite movie and I was literally gutted watching KOTCS. Before going into it, I feared Harrison wouldn't have the chops for it. I was wrong. I knew Lucas didn't have the ability to pull off a good Indy film, but was floored Spielberg let Lucas destroy it so badly. Please don't make another. Let's just bury Indy and be done with it. Rest in peace.
No, RedFive. Indiana Jones is alive. by Daytripper69	Oct 4th, 2008 01:19:57 AM
I really dug KotCS. There's still life in the franchise, and I'd love to see a couple more films w/an older Indiana Jones. Apparently Ford is still game, but would Speilberg really commit to two more Indiana Jones films? I kinda doubt it. I personally wouldn't mind someone else directing the franchise, as long as he's good. I wonder what Philip Kaufman is doing these days?
Lucas, butt the frack out of it. by aboriginal	Oct 4th, 2008 01:20:20 AM
Keep your grimy meat hooks off this one and let real capable writers handle this one. And, Spielberg, live up to what you said about old school Indy and lay off on the CGI. This can happen. And if this works out every odd Indy will be a kickass Indy. Just stop at 5.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Hip Replacement by L.H.Puttgrass	Oct 4th, 2008 01:20:59 AM
In other news: O.J. is Guilty! Very, very guilty.
Careful, Prossor. by idonotseekabanning	Oct 4th, 2008 01:21:03 AM
Coming up with alternate titles (of which yours was one of many, leading me to believe you may have been one of us) for an as-yet-unnamed Indiana Jones adventure is what got at least ten (maybe more) talkbacker IDs deleted. I don't mind being idonotseekabanning, but I miss being My Colon Sucks. Seriously, all we did was come up with alternate titles and humorous geriatric Indy scenarios. We slandered no other posters. sniff
Ford is Great, But Lucas needs to be stopped.... by chromedome	Oct 4th, 2008 01:21:33 AM
He is destroying everything good he ever got lucky enough to stumble across--er, "create" and is leaving a sad, sorry legacy. Better if he had been a one or two shot wonder than the atrocities he has committed since.
Your all cocksuckers and also, Crystal Skull was great by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Oct 4th, 2008 01:23:09 AM
Indiana taking cover from a nuke in a fridge was badass, your all a bunch of mouthbreathing basement dwelling manchildren who will never be happy, I hope you all fucking die, that is all.
Raiders ending didn't need Indy either though by MattmanReturns	Oct 4th, 2008 01:23:49 AM
He changed nothing by being there. Same with Last Crusade. Only ending where Indy NEEDS to be there to save the day is Temple of Doom, ironically.
Sorry QUINT, BUT you are WRONG. by Shakes The Clown	Oct 4th, 2008 01:25:56 AM
The ending of RAIDERS would also have been exactly the same whether or not Indiana Jones ever got involved. The Nazi's would have opened up the Ark and melted either way. All Indiana Jones did was passively watch. Raiders is FLAWED and FUN just as all the episodes are including KOTCS.
Lots of pointlessness in Indy 4 by MrD	Oct 4th, 2008 01:30:12 AM
1) The "nuke the fridge" scene, besides being rediculous, didn't have to be there for any reason at all. It didn't even serve to break up a long period of inaction. It was just a gag. Drop it, and it becomes better simply by removing silliness. 2) Holding back that "Mary" was Marion, and Indy was Mutt's dad. We all knew it. The previews gave it away, the interviews and reviews gave it away. Had Indy known it was Marion, it would have added urgency and personal poigniancy to his quest right from the start. It would also have at least had him wondering if Mutt was his son. 3) John Hurt. Great actor reduced to a MacGuffin. Technically he gave Indy reason to go on his half assed quest, but we never met him before, and thus the emotion was forced and false. Put Marion in his spot (with less babbling), make her the one who had been exposed to the skull, and you can remove Hurt, tighten the script, and elevate the emotional involvement of both Indy and the audience. 4) Gophers, monkeys and Tarzan swings, all just cheap gags that didn't serve any purpose other than to remove the viewer from the film. 5) The quicksand scene. It was as if Speilberg and Lucas realized they hadn't had a snake scene yet and pulled it out on the spot. Ugh.
I don't know what bugged me more about KOTCS... by SifoDyasJr.	Oct 4th, 2008 01:32:32 AM
...surviving a nuke in a fridge or surviving a crash landing in a low flying fridge traveling at 60+ mph.
If the fridge is far enough away from the blast by MrD	Oct 4th, 2008 01:37:35 AM
Indy could have survived. There was simply no reason to put him right on top of ground zero. Unfortunately, I see no way for him to survive the fridge getting thrown hundreds of feet, especially not at his age.
I Never Thought That An Indy Movie Would Bore Me. by CHEWBLACCA	Oct 4th, 2008 01:43:41 AM
But KOTCS did. I never gave a shit what happened to anyone in that movie. - Part of me wants to see the boys redeem themselves with another movie. But the cranky cynic in me just wants them to quit pickiing at the scab.
I think they should go dark.... by wackybantha	Oct 4th, 2008 01:48:11 AM
I would like to see an indy film where someone he loves is taken away from him permanently. Marion or Indy, Jr. Take your pick. Then stand back and watch INDIANA JONES AND THE WRATH OF INDIANA JONES!!!
Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World by TOASTERslayer	Oct 4th, 2008 01:48:19 AM
Didn't have the heart, didn't have the soul. It just flat out wasn't as good as the other movies. Calling those who didn't like it, "mouthbreathers" won't change the fact that deep down, you know its nothing like the first trilogy. I was 100% absolutely open and actually excited to the new movie, but it completely let me down.
Indiana's next adventure by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 01:52:04 AM
How about a Time Listening Machine. Heres the deal. Tesla accidentally invented a machine that allowed him to hear soundwaves both forward and backwards in time. This is the basis for the bullshit story on the Vatican's Chronovisior which they claim can see backwards in time. The Russians learn of it, and they hijack a plane and steal it in hopes too change their future history. Indiana is once again involved in one of the biggest finds/power items of the century. Only now he goes to Russia.
I felt sucker punched by Philvis	Oct 4th, 2008 01:53:46 AM
I loved the first 3 Indy movies. I even became an archaeologist partly because of it. I was in Peru when KOTCS came out and watched it there. Talk about a slap in the face to Peru...they didn't even research it. Nazca is a desert town and the jungle is not right next door. The natives of Nazca do not listen to Mexican music, nor do they dress like they live in the mountains. Mayan was never spoken in Peru, either. The whole theater was laughing hysterically. The story felt like it was written quickly. Way too much CGI, and honestly, it just didn't feel like an Indiana Jones movie. It had a National Treasure feel to it. Lucas my as well as had Nic Cage in it as Mutt at that point. There are soooo many great stories for Indy, and they just blew it. The story itself could have been good had they taken more time. Sorry Lucas, I think you need to step away from your old stuff. Don't give a black eye to your previous films by making crappy new ones.
Worst Indy flick by far by Thot	Oct 4th, 2008 01:54:01 AM
I wanted so badly to simply LIKE KOTC but it really, really sucked. The fact that it made dump trucks o' money is quite ironic. I would like to see the boys redeem themselves with another installment but I fear they would give us more of the same.
Quint you're right by BadMrWonka	Oct 4th, 2008 01:57:56 AM
but it's sort of like telling my little niece that if she brushes her teeth, they'll be cleaner...sure it's true, but it's onl interesting to those that already knew it. same with KOTCS. we all know it was a pretty stupid movie. and how much leeway you give it depends on your predilection for forgiving Lucas, right? or forgiving Spielberg? or forgiving Ford? how about this...the movie wasn't very good, and they all owe me $10. I'll gladly go see the next one and hope they redeem it. but honestly. it wasn't any one person's fault. the movie just stunk. it was too much, too much CGI, too much effort, too much everything...Indiana Jones was great because every moment we all imagined ourselves in those scenarios...we clenched our fists and said, "I am Indiana Jones"...and we played it out as such in our living rooms...but the last one, it was just a cheap stupid movie. it wasn NOTHING special. and it might make a shitload of money, but we all know it. so there you go. I'm going to bed,.
My only problem with Crystak Skull by Shadowhawk	Oct 4th, 2008 02:06:10 AM
Harrison Ford spent 10 years saying he wasn't going to be in "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars." Then, all of a sudden, he was in it! I left the theater feeling like I had been lied to. Going back again, Crystal Skull is a lot of fun, and Harrison Ford is perfect in the film.
My only problem with Crystal Skull by Shadowhawk	Oct 4th, 2008 02:06:19 AM
Harrison Ford spent 10 years saying he wasn't going to be in "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars." Then, all of a sudden, he was in it! I left the theater feeling like I had been lied to. Going back again, Crystal Skull is a lot of fun, and Harrison Ford is perfect in the film.
I could rave on about what I felt was wrong with Crystal Skull.. by The Mothman	Oct 4th, 2008 02:09:37 AM
...but instead I like to think of what could have been - Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. Never played it, but any title that sends chills up your spine (as opposed to rumbles in the stomach) has to be the right place to start. Oh what the hell I can't resist - CGI, pointless bickering, an ordinary sidekick, a generally wrong, money-grubbing approach...a strange age we live in, where the legacy of wonderfully done pop entertainment is being destroyed by its original creators. Maybe this is what it feels like to truly be part of a different generation.
How Tesla's Time Listening Machine works by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 02:13:17 AM
There is no such thing as time as we understand it. Every single event remains trapped through out time in layers in a constant stream- Like a CD sitting filled with tons of audio information sitting here in the now, but we are unable to hear the information on it out of sequence because we only had the ability to hear and record the energy when it's produced. This device is able to cycle through those layers and read that sound energy. Like a needle bouncing off of the pits in a record. The machine electromagnetic sensor recreates the sounds energy- it comes out a pretty simple speaker system. Changing the strength of the electric current going through the electromagnetic sensor determines weather or not the device goes forward or backward in time. The problem is this device only picks up the sounds in the location were it rest, so the reports of the future are told in the same room were the machine is. The people using the device tune into these future messages. Maybe the device is limited to only a certain value of years forward and back, and some how the cycle of moon plays heavily into it
not gonna happen by master bitchfist	Oct 4th, 2008 02:21:03 AM
ever
can we please just have Atlantis this time around? by irc-Hollywood	Oct 4th, 2008 02:26:25 AM
The mad crazy CGi might actually fit then.
ponder by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 02:31:41 AM
Another thing could be another doomsday machine that can cycle an area or object thorough time. Not the whole world- just an area or object. Ever think strange thoughts like what if the spoon I was holding never stopped being hot from the soup it was left resting in. What if that energy could be restored by dialing the object backwards in time. Imagine the possibilities of changing an objects or places energy. Pointing this thing in the direction of your foes ships and planes and guns and turning them into molten metal since they began as molten metal. This ground was wet two days ago now it's dry let turn back time and it's wet again. or it isn't here like it used to be trees shrink and grow bodies wither and age or get younger. Just some random musing.. Everyone else probably wants the Jesus Spear. Or the Lost City Of Gold.
Quint, do you even KNOW what a MacGuffin is? by TheGoddamnSiege	Oct 4th, 2008 02:38:29 AM
Clearly, you do not.
INDIANA JONES AND THE CLONE WARS by alice 13	Oct 4th, 2008 02:38:58 AM
brilliant!!!!!
Who gives a shit by Series7	Oct 4th, 2008 02:40:30 AM
Lets talk more about this Thor movie being directed by Hamlet? Thats still crystal skull fucking my head.
We won't get fooled again!! by BenBraddock	Oct 4th, 2008 02:43:45 AM
Sorry but we won't
Not enough research? by darthvedder81	Oct 4th, 2008 02:45:27 AM
Are you fucking kidding me? The Indy films are Republic serials not National Geographic specials. Sure some of Indy has basis in history and Lucas went fully "serious" when he did the Young Indy Chronicles which most of you assholes hate (I loved that series personally). KOTCS was easily the weakest of the 4 but damn if I didn't smile all throughout that picture. Nobody makes action movies like that anymore.
Quiddagekid 793's Indiana Jones VII by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 02:48:37 AM
The Secret of the New Ark of Covenant. Shortround goes to the Sun, and Mutt fights a Lava Snake. Indiana Jones: How do I get stop this other Ark of Covenant? NAR NAR NAR NAR NAR NAR!!! Indiana: Oh no an Alarm! (Gasp) Two Chewbacca's?????????
"..the more forgetful if feels." by Karl Hungus	Oct 4th, 2008 02:50:42 AM
Um, that's FORGETTABLE.
Bi-Plance sequence would have made 0 difference by happybunni	Oct 4th, 2008 02:51:22 AM
The crystal skull is completely forgettable. And the next movie will be as well, for the same reasons. Mostly because the films aren't about Harrison Ford anymore. He's a big part of the reason we all love Star Wars AND Indiana Jones, take him out and the films are lacking hugely. Also shame on Harry for actually crying tears of joy during a shitty movie like Crystal Skull. That is what you get for buying into the hype machines, you should know better.
Please, please do this one right.... by Kirbymanly	Oct 4th, 2008 02:51:42 AM
And by "right" I mean... oh, fuck it. Lucas isn't listening anyway. Any of our opinions fall on deaf ears.
Bi Plane Scene felt like Last Crusade by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 02:53:13 AM
and Franks script was shite!
Actually, Shakes... by Karl Hungus	Oct 4th, 2008 02:57:58 AM
...the ending of Raiders would have been different without Indiana Jones. Indy wouldn't have stolen the Ark back during the truck chase, allowing the Nazis to just ship the Ark back to Berlin, where it would have been opened directly for Hitler, melting his face and leaving a little mustache in a steaming pile of goo on the floor. Indy saved Hitler!
Bring back the Joseph Campbell archetypes by Hardboiled Wonderland	Oct 4th, 2008 03:01:00 AM
Lucas needs to remember his Joseph Campbell days, and give the script to someone who understands the archetypes and what it means for an old-fashioned action hero in today's cynical market of Bourne identities. Imagine an Indy film that's not about cartoon action, but about the actual character, what it means for him to be getting older, the times they are a changing and all that jazz. It makes sense, because most critics didn't think an old-fashioned Indy adventure would cut it with today's audiences -- and they were right. Why? I'd love to see a new Indy film explore that, and explore how the Hero archetype becomes the Wise Old Man. And the very last scene, I would love to see Indy go missing in the Amazon jungle or Himalayas, and only his hat is found... let him become a legend. Did he survive, is he dead? Let the legend live on. Fat chance though with Lucas in charge, he'll turn Indy into a Clone Wars.
no thanks by hiperaktiv	Oct 4th, 2008 03:08:41 AM
KOTCS fucking sucked and I will never see another Indiana Jones film ever again. Lucas turns everything he touches into shit and Spielberg has lost the plot.
Keep that jerkoff Lucas away from that project... by Motoko Kusanagi	Oct 4th, 2008 03:29:28 AM
...then it definitely won't suck.
Reboot: Indiana Jones versus Daredevil. by Dingbatty	Oct 4th, 2008 03:36:19 AM
Starring Matthew Fox and a dog named Indiana.
Ford's not old to play an archeologist by Chuck_Chuckwalla	Oct 4th, 2008 03:53:23 AM
In fact, he's quite young. Before Raiders, the archeologist stereotype was that of an old dude. So, I dig the idea of another Indy to take the bad taste out of my mouth with KOTCS. I liked it, but it's not part of my religion like Raiders is. George, bring us the best Indy yet, I have faith in you man.
Rambling...only forgetting!! by loserguy3000	Oct 4th, 2008 03:55:05 AM
Apparently rambling instead of thinking there, Quint! Last time I checked the Nazis caught the Arc, released God's power, and melted away... And this certainly wasn't for lack of Indy's trying. So yes, there's at least two Indy films in which the ending would have been the same regardless.
Darabont's not the messiah. by Amy Chasing	Oct 4th, 2008 03:59:02 AM
I thank him for Shawshank, but found Green Mile depressing, The Majestic forgettable, and The Mist better than Shyamalan's Happening - but then that's not saying much is it.
You maniacs! by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 03:59:27 AM
http://tinyurl.com/538rkq
p.s. AICN editor's and more... by loserguy3000	Oct 4th, 2008 03:59:27 AM
Anyone ever get the feeling how much it must suck to work for AICN? Nothing ever comes as a surprise, scripts get read before watched, and little terms like "MacGuffin" or however its spelled become part of your safe-word collection. Their amateurish focus on the technicalities of film ("I read the script and the film wasn't...") must ruin it for them. It really must, even after the never-ending stream of "best, awesome, ever!!" posts we get. Insider status obligates them to treat friendly-types with more than fair gloats, and to make up for this lack of glee and genuine excitement they try to watch as many films as possible. Me? I'm PERFECTLY happy to be on the outside looking in, because if I've learned nothing from Wizard of Oz...its better to keep the imagination, in spite of reality.
And what's this "Indy didn't do anything" shit? by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 04:03:54 AM
First off, if Indy hadn't shown up at gone to see Marion the Nazis would have gotten the amulet or the medallion or whatever the fuck it was a lot sooner. But Indy showed those fucks and they ended up digging in the wrong spot. If it weren't for the fact that Indy and his crew were digging in plain goddamn sight, the Nazis never would have found the actual location. So at the very least Indy postponed the inevitable. They call this shit storytelling and it's what makes the movie interesting. "Indy didn't do anything." Jesus.
caruso_stalker217 by Samson_K	Oct 4th, 2008 04:15:54 AM
They would have found it because they would have had the medallion. They were using the scars on Toht's hands that only gave them half the coordinates.
Indy V by Samson_K	Oct 4th, 2008 04:17:47 AM
It makes me sad because if they had all got their fingers out and made Indy IV in the mid 90's then we'd have had a chance to have seen a good Indy IV and then I'd have been excited to see Indy V. KOTCS would have been a lot more palatable if it had been Indy VI or VII
I loved INDY 4, but... by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 4th, 2008 04:18:37 AM
... it's been done now. I adore all four films, but hasn't Lucas learned from the STAR WARS prequels? And another thing - I think we can safely assume Spielberg won't be involved. Well I hope not anyway, I wanna see TINTIN, LINCOLN and the real biggie - INTERSTELLAR - before another INDY movie. Mam, I wanna see JURASSIC PARK 4 before another INDY movie. I know Spielberg more than likely wouldn't direct it, but he'll definitely produce it.
CRYSTAL SKULL was utterly terrible. by MaxTheSilent	Oct 4th, 2008 04:23:38 AM
Darabont wrote a genius script. And now that everyone''s read it Lucas has to live with the fact that he, and him alone, utterly fucked the fourth INDIANA JONES movie. I'm not the slightest but excited that it comes out on DVD this month.
Lucasblows - agree with you all the way by DiamondJoe	Oct 4th, 2008 04:28:08 AM
I too knew that Lucas's mere involvement meant that Crystal Skull would be below-par, but I was stunned at how shite it actually was, given that Spielberg directed it. It stands unchallenged as the biggest load of amateurish, indulgent, shockingly scripted, atrociously acted, insultingly incoherent bucket of piss either of them have been involved with (and yes, I'd rather watch Howard the Duck - at least it doesn't shit on a great franchise). The fact that AIC gave it a free pass and are now encouraging Lucas to once more sit on the pot and strain out another monstrous cinematic turd is nothing short of disgraceful.
Samson_K by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 04:30:45 AM
What I meant was the Nazis would have had the medallion IF Indy hadn't fucked them up in Tibet, or wherever the hell it was. The Nazis would have remained fucked, except they turned the tables by fucking Indy, who in turn attempted to fuck them right back... only he wanted to see inside just as much as the Nazis did. So, yeah, the Nazis would have gotten the Ark. They would have opened it. Melting would have ensued. But since this is a movie you need a guy like Indiana Jones to throw certain obstacles in the way, to postpone the melting. To create chases and suspense and thrills, etc. Entertainment, is what I'm getting at.
caruso_stalker217 by Samson_K	Oct 4th, 2008 04:49:59 AM
I agree - my stupid fat fingers posted before I could finish and then something shiny grabbed my attention In Raiders if Indy hadn't been involved then Marion would have been tortured to death. In Last Crusade his dad would have been killed. It's not about the ending really it's about how it gets there. The story, the entertainment etc etc. Indy is a catalyst for greater events. In KOTCS he wasn't even that really - he just stood about at the end - it was all down to John Hurts character. At no real point did Indy throw a spanner in the Soviets plans to a great effect - in fact the whole idea of the gunpowder, which I assumed was going to lead to a great Indy escape sequence ended up being him actually physically helping them. It was like an Indy theme park ride entrance. Potentially great scenes fucked up by being rushed or just badly handled. The fight in the graveyard could have been incredibly spooky and dark and good but as it was it was a throwaway scene. The waterfalls, I have no problem with the idea of three waterfalls, but it was terribly edited so that it looked like we were watching them at Wet and Wild. The natives - that first shot of them coming out from the shadows in the trailer was great - so much potential but they fucked that up too. So, Indy not affecting the eventual outcome is not a problem because he didn't in Raiders or Last Crusade but the actions that he ghoes through while trying to stop them are important and KOTCS let me down badly.
The whole problem with Crystal Skull is by Bruce T Shark	Oct 4th, 2008 04:59:26 AM
the story structure is backwards. It's not a hunt for an item, they already have it and just need to take it back. There's no ticking clock and it's not even a race. Doesn't matter who gets there first just as long as you have the skull when you get there. You could get there fifth, but as long as you have the skull, then you still win. I find it worrying that anyone could work on a story for so long and get the basics so fundamentally wrong.
Indy 4 is a bad movie.... by travis-dane	Oct 4th, 2008 05:02:08 AM
it looked bad and the story was boring shit. But Ford did a good job, Spielberg and Lucas not so much. what a letdown! sad...
the Darabont script might not have been perfect... by The Amazing G	Oct 4th, 2008 05:06:21 AM
but it was better than the final film, buuuuuuut that's not to say Crystal Skull is as bad as the TBers would have you believe, but it SHOULD have been soooo much better, I mean it's Spielberg for crying out loud
Samson by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 05:07:59 AM
I feel the same way. It really is about the journey. And CRYSTAL SKULL just bombed in that area. There was no urgency. No real reason for Indy to go anywhere, except to rescue a character we don't know and who we couldn't give a shit about when he finally shows up. The graveyard scene was completely fucking puzzling. Who the hell were those blow-dart guys? What the hell were they even doing there? Same for the natives. They just hide out in the fucking walls all day waiting for a bunch of white people to break in? People like to talk shit about TEMPLE OF DOOM, but at least it wasn't a retread. At least it tried something different. And succeeded, in my opinion, at being just as good as RAIDERS. Different, not bad. There is more interesting shit going on in any five minutes of DOOM than the entire running time of CRYSTAL SKULL. My two cents.
so I support this... by The Amazing G	Oct 4th, 2008 05:08:39 AM
give them another chance I say!
Editing in CRYSTAL SKULL --- by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 05:12:24 AM
That numbnuts piece of shit NUKE THE FRIDGE flick with the cheap sets, underwhelming action, lazy plotting, campy supporting actors - you thought the KICK THE CAN episode of TWILIGHT ZONE THE MOVIE was Spielberg's worst? Obviously you haven't seen CRYSTAL SKULL. Its like everyone in that film, Spielberg, Kahn, Williams, etc etc were way off their mark, way way off - lazy filmmaking to say the least.I am not surprised Lucas is movign full steam with a fifth one - the fourth one left such an underwhelming impression on people over 10 years of age they had to make another one to apologize. Some words of advice to Spielberg and Lucas: GO ON FUCKING LOCATION THIS TIME, LOSE THE SUPPORTING CHARACTERS, FOCUS ON INDY and have him USE A WHIP and a GUN for fucks sakes instead of being a pedestrian onlooker to 50% of the movie.
CRYSTAL SKULL is the only Indy film I wouldnt bother rewatching by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 05:13:40 AM
That is how bad it is. Fucking mess ends with a wedding for pete's sakes.
I'd watch it by Mr Gorilla	Oct 4th, 2008 05:18:32 AM
and I'm looking to seeing KOTCS again this November.
Spielberg has lost it. He shouldn't return for a 5th flick. by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 05:21:05 AM
TEMPLE OF DOOM had more rousing thrills and technical excellence in the first 10 minutes than the wretched SKULL does its whole running time. You could detect Spielberg’s love of CINEMA, the choreography, the editing, cinematography, the great music and kinetic action in that flick from beginning to end. He wasn’t a lazy 1 take director in those days, shooting one film while editing another. He has lost it. Even the method the movie opens, with the credits placement over the action and frame was so casuall and uninvolving - no menace, no drama - The problem with SKULL is the script is full of holes and doesnt make any sense. Everyone is off their mark here, Michael Kahn, John Williams, Karen Allen, etc - its Spielberg's fault, not Lucas, he's the damn director. But most of all it didnt flow well, it looked like it was shot in the backlot somewhere - did they even go on location to shoot this? Exposition in soda joint - hartford chase - indy theme over map - shot of airport - small mexican backlot - deserted cemetery (looks like old set from 1976s THE OMEN - and so on. In RAIDERS you could see Indy in Morocco, you could see him traverse from point A to point B in Sri Lanka in DOOM, you could se him in Venice in CRISADE - this movie really looks like they were lazy to travel and shoot this anywhere else. They probably made it as far as Hawaii maybe, shot some jungle scenes and then crammed them with CGI. Horrendous.
Spielberg said THIS movie would be as mostly practical by half vader	Oct 4th, 2008 05:25:07 AM
remember? Fucking liar...
Indiana Jones and the Suppository of Doom by BatPsycho	Oct 4th, 2008 05:25:24 AM
getting pretty old Ford. but he might still have one or two good ones left in there somewhere.
Bruce T Shark by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 05:26:49 AM
"the story structure is backwards. It's not a hunt for an item, they already have it and just need to take it back. There's no ticking clock and it's not even a race. Doesn't matter who gets there first just as long as you have the skull when you get there. You could get there fifth, but as long as you have the skull, then you still win" You are the first to mention this - its a pretty astute observation, very smart and it comes down to lazy plotting/scripting. Did anyone understand what the film was about? City of Gold? Conquistadores? Aztec power? Whats with the villain who had telekinetic powers which she only used once? Why did Indiana Jones allow himself to be manipulated by the Russians, he kept saying 'follow me, this way' he never put up any challenge, how can he "love Ike" and just allow himself to go with the flow - its terrible screenwriting. The movie ended exactly as NATIONAL TREASURE II - but with aliens. Wretched, wretched film.
CGI Gophers + Aliens = Bullshit by Nuking the Fridge	Oct 4th, 2008 05:27:25 AM
Really...Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was one of the worst movie going experiences I have been through. I would not ming a pt 5, just to make up for how bad the Crystal Skull was. Bring on the sequel, can't be worse, it can't be. Bring proper closure to the franchise, don't let it end so badly.
Just give us Raiders on high-def by half vader	Oct 4th, 2008 05:27:27 AM
... And Paramount, if you DNR that sucker I'll hunt you down and keel yoo.
I just read a hilarious quote from Spielberg by half vader	Oct 4th, 2008 05:32:10 AM
I was looking through my original Cinefex of E.T. and he was talking about how he was much more comfortable with doing E.T. than Night Skies because the notion of aliens coming all that way just to fuck people (and cows) up was sorta ridiculous. And the funniest thing was, he even mentioned War of the Worlds as that sorta thing!!! Oh and yeah I was paraphrasing. I'd pay to hear SS say fuck people up though.
I want all the people who thought KOTCS was good, to not have an by cameron1975willi	Oct 4th, 2008 05:34:23 AM
If you consider the talent involved and the amount of money spent, KOTCS was the worst movie in the history of the world. I can't believe some people thought it was good, but then I can't believe those people put Bush in for a second term, or think Palin should get a shot at being president, even though she thinks dinosaurs were on the planet 4000 years ago.
Moviegoing public goodwill took CRYSTAL SKULL to over $300 milli by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 05:38:23 AM
Had it really been a GOOD FILM it would have made DARK KNIGHT numbers - I truly believe that. They have a fifth chance now, lets hope they dont fuck it up. End the franchise on high, make the 5th movie equivalent of RAIDERS, more grit, edge, action, darkness, the stakes should be high, lose the MAD MAD MAD WORLD supporting characters, focus on INDY.
holy shit by t40stunt	Oct 4th, 2008 05:47:10 AM
there are still a bunch of whiny little bitches crying about this movie ? it was a summer movie folks if you didn't like it FUCK OFF and move along . if you don't like what i said see the sentence above .
magic gunpowder by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 05:53:21 AM
gold aint magnetic either. Stupid fuck! So theres your magic!
t40stunt by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 05:55:47 AM
Ah, the old "it was a summer movie folks" argument.
T40stunt by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 05:57:01 AM

hey spaceshiek ? by t40stunt	Oct 4th, 2008 06:00:49 AM
did all that movie going good will help it smack down on your precious bore of a movie the dark knight overseas ? last i checked Indy still had the highest gross there . just saying ...
what you got for me ? by t40stunt	Oct 4th, 2008 06:02:35 AM
i just see an empty box
I wish Myth Busters would Nuke The Fridge by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 06:02:41 AM
at least try to see if it's possible. They exposed cockroaches to radiation- they could pull the same test to buster or bugs or something inside the fridge. Then they've could superheat the fridge for a few seconds. Finally they could throw/catapult it into a sandy desert with the buster dummy inside in a arms positioned and braced against the ceiling.
I cant believe you fell for his bullshit again by Conans Sword	Oct 4th, 2008 06:09:51 AM
i still havnt seen KOTCS and i dont intend on ever seeing it...or Terminator4 or AVP, all you have to do is get past the hype. once these cash ins are out of the cinema its easy to avoid them and your memories of the earlier ones stay unharmed
not an argument caruso _stalker by t40stunt	Oct 4th, 2008 06:10:54 AM
i just see all these folks bitchin about a nuked fridge scene and i go back to watching iron man where the mother fucker escapes in a huge iron suit and crash lands from a high altitude in a heavy ass suit that falls apart on impact and the guy doesn't get sliced to pieces ....now i know your going to say " well , its a super hero comic movie . " my point is who said indy's gotta be based in reality too . some people liked it some loved it but the one's that didn't care for it seem to be the only ones that like to post . besides i figured i'd stir shit up a bit .
Spacesheik by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 4th, 2008 06:13:15 AM
Are you kidding? Spielberg has not lost it. MUNICH was one of the best films of last five years IMO. INDY 4 was a heap of fun. WAR OF THE WORLDS is so underrated. THE TERMINAL - I give you that one. CATCH ME IF YOU CAN is a very good film. So is MINORITY REPORT. And A.I. - I love that film, criminally underrated. So, IMO, he hasn't lost it. No way. I admit, his earlier films were better, but to say he's lost it is silly. ROLL ON INTERSTELLAR!
I'll accept that answer by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 06:13:49 AM
Because there IS a staggering amount of people bitching about this movie. I happen to share their viewpoint, but there are only so many times you can read "so-and-so nuked the fridge" before, I don't know, something happens. I guess.
Why so Serious? by Hannibal5050	Oct 4th, 2008 06:14:28 AM
Another round of "Well I think Lucas should do this" or "I think Spielberg should have done that". If you didn't like KOTCS, don't whinge. I thought it was great - and yet folks whine about 'oh, he'd never survive the nuclear blast'. Yeah, right, and he never would have met a thousand-year-old knight in Last Crusade either, or survived falling out of a plane in TOD. Maybe you're all a bit too old...?
agree on the iron man crash scene by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 06:16:15 AM
and bat man begins ending microwaved gothams water system, and TDK sonared gothams cellphones- both of which are impossible. I still wish mythbusters would take the challenege on until they do they are dead to me!
it would be funny if it actually worked by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 06:17:59 AM
like the raft plane escape from doom. God I wish it would- that would shut everyone of these nuked the fridge fuckers up!
Lucas and Berg haters suck by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 06:21:37 AM
massive herpe infected corn and lima bean shit caked covered cock. No matter what these two want to do they earned it. Let them make movies in peace you Pricks!
What the hell has Berg done to earn anything? by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 06:24:42 AM
HANCOCK was a mess.
Spot on, drac by Hannibal5050	Oct 4th, 2008 06:25:59 AM
You're not directors, you're all critics. Armchair critics, mostly. You've all had 20 years to write a better script, and none of you did.
Harrison Ford has lost his edge from the 80's by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 4th, 2008 06:37:43 AM
Back then, he played scoundrel anti-heroes like Han Solo, Indy, the Blade Runner. Since then, he's played good cops, FBI agents, a President, and overall nice guys. Harrison Ford can't do it like he did back then, anymore. I'm not talking about the youth, I'm talking about the attitude. He cares too much now.
caruso_stalker217 by unionJACKass.webs.com	Oct 4th, 2008 07:01:54 AM
I agree. Apart from some cool action sequences, HANCOCK was a disaster.
yes bring on more lame money grab sequels! by Rupee88	Oct 4th, 2008 07:03:45 AM
Crystal Skull was a joke and a bore...you guys need to just watch your old Indy DVDs and let it go at some point.
Keep Making Them by A-COD	Oct 4th, 2008 07:05:12 AM
Maybe one will be good.
Harrison Ford has lost his edge from the 80's by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Oct 4th, 2008 07:24:35 AM
what about What Lies Beneath. He wasn't a good guy there. What about K-19- the man can play dark roles. You make it sounds like he went into Jack Ryan mode and did nothing else until he played Indy again. Comeon now...
The only problem with kotcs is it was only the fourth movie by Protoman	Oct 4th, 2008 07:33:32 AM
The film feels like it belongs in the Indy universe, however given the time that has past people wanted a life changing event. The problem is Indiana Jones should have been sort of James Bond type of movie where we were getting one every two or three years, regardless of director, producer, hell and maybe even actor.
A good idea for a sequel to the Postman by Arteska	Oct 4th, 2008 07:41:45 AM
Kevin Costner shuttles missives back and forth on horseback between post apocalyptic survivors still ranting about George Lucas. Another AICN Lucasbash. How many days (hell, hours) before we get another one?
Speilberg needs to go all "Munich" on the next one. by Stuntcock Mike	Oct 4th, 2008 07:44:22 AM
"Indy's finally woken up and he's fucking had it!" Or not.
Hannibal5050.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 4th, 2008 07:45:49 AM
..I'm sorry, are you seriously suggesting that because none of us have written a movie, we are not qualified to pass judgement on whether or not Crystal Skull was the abortion it was? That just because we know and love the original movies, have grown up with Spielberg and Lucas's films, but don't work in the movie business, we have no right to criticise when they take these franchises and wipe their arses on them? Fuuuuuuuck you. I was ready and willing to give Crystal Skull a fair chance. Fuck me, I was genuinely excited when I sat down in the cinema - I'm gonna see a NEW Indiana Jones movie! Then a CG gopher popped up and gradually I watched as Spielberg, Lucas and Ford jointly pissed away any goodwill I might have felt in a steamy haze of nuclear proof fridges, stunningly bad dialogue, CG monkeys and flying FUCKING saucers. How terrible of movie fans to criticise a movie when obviously it should get a free pass just because its a "summer movie", which by the criteria of some people here seems to mean, "any old cynical shite but hey its summer so why criticise?" I tell you what: Fucking RIGHT we're all critics. We're the people that have filled the pockets of Spielberg & Lucas for the last 35 years. We pay the ticket prices. In return, we only asked not to be conned, not to be cheated by a cynical, amateurish and piss-poor film. Which we were. "If you didn't like Crystal Skull, don't whinge. I thought it was great". There, in 2 short sentences, is everything that is risible with your 'argument'.
Face Facts Folks! by FILMFUNK	Oct 4th, 2008 07:46:41 AM
Those who enjoyed the hell out of it are now realising it's flaws and they are many! It feels more like George Lucas directed it! CG monkeys and swinging Gofers! There doesn't need to be another one but there will be coz the kids lapped it up and the adults thought how bad can it be and it broke box office Another one is inevitable because Indy has become nothing more than a liscence to print $$$ Harrison, Spielberg and pukeass can sugar coat it all they like but it's Indy in name only!
Spielberg Gets Most Of The Blame by genrefanboy	Oct 4th, 2008 07:57:19 AM
He loved that crappy Darabont script (which included the giant ants & nuking the fridge) so before you all go hating on Lucas remember Spielberg liked those ideas as well as including Shia & the monkey & prairie dogs. I just watched the Bluray and all the extras indicate that Spielberg was the hold out which is why it took so long. Ford was keen in 1992 & Lucas began to research it then but Spielberg was always reluctant. 1996 was the closest it came to being made then ID4 scuppered that as it was too similar so then Lucas did the Prequels instead and Ford just waited & waited..... I loved KOTCS and will be there on opening day when part5 comes out (perhaps Lucas will direct it if Spielberg declines!!). You just know all the complainers on here will be too they just like to bitch about it in the hope that someone listens!!
WHAT BI-PLANE SEQUENCE? by BringingSexyBack	Oct 4th, 2008 07:57:51 AM
I don't remember a bi-plane.
You dweebs act like the movie was about prairie dogs by Arteska	Oct 4th, 2008 07:59:56 AM
If they do make another one I personally hope prairie dogs are featured much more prominently. One that talks and rides in one of Indy's jacket pockets would do the trick. I wish someone would commission Drew Struzan for a Indy-style prairie dog one sheet. You people are childish.
Shai's tarzan scene was the worst thing by Reelheed	Oct 4th, 2008 08:15:21 AM
in KOTCS. Everything else (even surviving a nuke in a freezer after a 100 foot fall) I was prepared to let slide but that was one stupidity too far...
No. Marrying Marion was the logical end of the series. by catlettuce4	Oct 4th, 2008 08:19:02 AM
Just let it die with the slight dignity it still has left.
The madness of King George by chewyou812	Oct 4th, 2008 08:21:09 AM
Look, unless Lucas is now taking medication for whatever mental disorder haunts him, this will never work. His previous comments on the problems of KOTCS indicate that he believes that Spielberg is at fault for wanting to hold the film back by making it like the previous three and not using modern technology to make it better. Until George realizes that it was his bat shit crazy ideas of aliens and swinging with the monkeys and nuking the fridge that held KOTCS down, he'll continue to make movies that destroy my childhood memories and steal pieces of my soul.
Ford Slept-Walked through KOTCS by Laserhead	Oct 4th, 2008 08:22:25 AM
He fucking delivered all his lines like he was a fistful of Ambien for god's sake. Coupled with Marian's dead-eyed, narcotic smile, the effect was fucking bizarre, and had nothing to do with the script (which was shit).
The way my cousin put it was this.. by emeraldboy	Oct 4th, 2008 08:24:24 AM
There was no 4th film.
Biggest INDY 4 problem... by PCMODEMTCG	Oct 4th, 2008 08:24:48 AM
Ok the script was bad, but the direction was actually worse. When Indy and gang go over the waterfall, Speilberg chose....a wide shot? WTF??? Imagine the same sequence, focus on Indy's eyes only, them getting wide, pan to his hand THEN covering his hat....that is an INDY shot. And as far as the action sequences, even the monkey thing could have been tolerated...if Shia had not got hung and and "formed the idea" to go all tarzan...remember, most of Indy's greatest moments were not planned, they just work out being in the right place at the right time, almost by accident. Had Shia gone up in the trees and immediately begun the tarzan act, not stop and look around with an "aha!" moment, that sequence would have been so much better. Same with Marion and the Tree crash to the river thing....nothing felt spontaneous at all, which is the best part of these films. That said, tell you what George...call me and I'll direct Indy 5. Sucky script or not, it would feel alot more like a Jones movie than what Spielly made.
I could see a "Jones Family" movie... by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 4th, 2008 08:25:47 AM
With Indy, Marion, and Mutt going on the adventures together, and Mutt taking on a lot of the "point man" work. It could be fun if George Lucas, the Al Davis of movie producers, can keep his hands off the project...
The Darabont script is excellent by The Ringwraith	Oct 4th, 2008 08:25:56 AM
Flawed maybe, but compared the KOTCS script its a masterpiece. So many fun sequences, so many good lines. How Darabont deals with Indy's snake phobia is priceless. And in addition to the spectacular bi-plane sequence that Quint mentioned, there's also an epic truck chase that turns to a river chase that would have been the best sequence of action for Indy since the opening of Temple of Doom. With maybe a few changes, it would have been a masterpiece. As it was, it would have been a thousand times better than KOTCS. And I liked KOTCS.
Of course, KOTC was a Jones Family movie... by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 4th, 2008 08:26:36 AM
...I meant a serious one...
Indiana Jones and the Arthritic Hip Replacement by Sparhawk38	Oct 4th, 2008 08:33:18 AM

Hannibal5050 by Samson_K	Oct 4th, 2008 08:34:51 AM
I have never taken a plumbing course - I have no idea how to fix pipes or sinks and all that plumbing stuff - but if I paid a plumber to come to my house and he fucked up the job that I had paid for I'd have a right to complain. Lucas, Ford and Spielberg did not make KOTCS as a favour to us - they did it so that we could spend our hard earned money and watch a product. So fuck off with your apologist stupid argument because it means sod all
Having said that.... by Sparhawk38	Oct 4th, 2008 08:35:00 AM
I could not go to KOTC. I was so turned off by the cgi I saw. I would gladly got to one, though, if they have a great story and less cartoon graphics.
KOTCS was diabolical by kingoflight	Oct 4th, 2008 08:35:46 AM
the CGI monkies and goffer crap was taking the piss.
Indiana Jones and Cataracts of Doom by Sparhawk38	Oct 4th, 2008 08:40:34 AM

I constantly suck up for KOTCS before it came out... by ScaryWaitress	Oct 4th, 2008 08:49:53 AM
...trust Spielberg I said...trust Harrison Ford I said...now I feel bitter, sad, angry, ashamed and hurt. Did I mention angry?
...I meant "stuck up for", not "suck up", but I guess... by ScaryWaitress	Oct 4th, 2008 08:50:52 AM
...that works too.
Indiana Jones and the Curse of the CGI Gophers by br1947	Oct 4th, 2008 08:56:58 AM
Indy 4 was the only movie to leave me more pissed off than Transformers did. How they hell can anyone defend that crap? I loved the first 3, yes even Temple of Doom. But Crystal Skull was not an Indiana Jones movie, it was an old guy named Henry dressed as Indy taking over for Nicholas Cage in National Treasure 3. I'm all for another Indy film as long as it sticks to the mythical/religious rather than going sideways with some bullshit scifi red herring plot. Let Indy find Excalibur, Atlantis, Noah's Ark, Mohammed's favorite teddy bear, whatever... just not fucking aliens. And no damned Shia!
The first time I saw KOTCS... by SlyAndTheFamilyStallone	Oct 4th, 2008 09:10:07 AM
I was just so happy to see a new Indy movie that I forgave the fridge, the tarzan shit, the rampant CGI; I think I was trying to be so grateful for new Indy that I blinded myself to how bad it was. FF to several weeks later, KOTCS was playing a second run thatre, my wife and I go see it (she is a casual Indy fan, and hasn't seen it yet). As it's showing, I'm thinking man this does suck. My wife turns to me and says "I can tell this already sucks." We were like 10 minutes in. My advice: If you think you liked it, watch it again when the novelty is gone before you go recommending it. Now my wife gets the next two movie picks (Bad Pick Rule).
by carneguisada	Oct 4th, 2008 09:16:18 AM
The problem I had with the movie-- and yes, I liked it at the time-- was that it didn't follow the pattern of the other Indiana Jones movies. There wasn't really much to GET. No big McGuffin. There's a mayan legend that you need to gather all 13 skulls or however many there are to prevent the 2012-end-of-the-world thing from happening. Maybe that's too over the top for an Indiana Jones and I guess the first three were quite religious in nature -- Biblical history, etc. where as this is more new-agey. But that lack of parallelism made the movie a weaker companion to the others. (I sound like some nimrod in a sweater with a pipe in my mouth and leather books on a shelf behind me. Sorry!)
The way to make Indy 5 good? LAWRENCE KASDAN by carneguisada	Oct 4th, 2008 09:20:54 AM
And to the guy who said, "Imagine an Indy film that's not about cartoon action, but about the actual character, what it means for him to be getting older, the times they are a changing and all that jazz. It makes sense, because most critics didn't think an old-fashioned Indy adventure would cut it with today's audiences -- and they were right. Why? I'd love to see a new Indy film explore that, and explore how the Hero archetype becomes the Wise Old Man. " I agree ABSOLUTELY and the way to get a story like that happening? ALL OF US need to BEG Lawrence Kasdan to write it. He wrote the original Raiders script. He wrote Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. All of you that are whining that Lucas isn't what he once was-- take a look. He's missing the best writer he ever had. And we ALL need him BACK!
Indy 4 was a parody by GeorgieBoy	Oct 4th, 2008 09:22:47 AM
It was like an Zucker or Brooks film making fun of the original three. Only it starred the original actors... Now, there were sequences that were fun: The motorcycle chase, crawling around in caves, and of course the jungle car chase. The rest of it was forgettable parody. And Harrison WASN'T all that great in it either. His line delivery was FLAT and only a very few times did I hear the real Indy come out. ------------- Anyway, I don't hold any hope that an Indy 5 would be better than this. Remember the guy heading up the project's initials are GL.
KOTCS is to Indiana Jones as At the Circus was to the Marx Broth by unfaithfullyyours	Oct 4th, 2008 09:23:14 AM
What's next? A Night in Casablanca? Love Happy?
Raiders end needed Indy by killianx	Oct 4th, 2008 09:32:01 AM
If Indy wasnt there then the Ark would have closed by itself and just been sitting there. More Nazis would have come eventually seen the destruction and either Just tried again to find another way to harness its power. Imagine if they just opened the thing on a battlefield somewhere and just used it like a holy nuclear bomb! anyone looking at it would be killed! Or stored it away in one of their warehouses
ITS A MAD MAD MAD CRYSTAL SKULL by Spacesheik	Oct 4th, 2008 09:32:25 AM
Here's a great premise, get an all star cast of todays Milton Berles and Mickey Rooneys - have them carry around a Crystal Skull that obliterates and controls everything in their path - have them chased by today's equivalent of Spencer Tracy. Set the climax under the 'Big W' and presto!: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - but let me tell you Karen Allen is no Ethel Merman!
I'm all for Indy 5. by rbatty024	Oct 4th, 2008 09:44:07 AM
In fact I would even put Indy 4 above Temple of Doom. In order to appreciate Indy 4 I think you need to accept that it's in a completely different universe from the other films in the series, in the same way that the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles took place in a slightly different world. The 1950s Cold War paranoia, aliens, and big bugs were all in line with a 1950s B-movie instead of the 1930s serials, so naturally the look and attitude of the film was different. With this much time in between films there would be no way to recapture the feel of the first three films. It was time to move on. Of course, this doesn't mean the film didn't have its flaws. While I still love the first half of the film (gofers and all) the second half gets a little out of control. Tarzan Shia, pointless waterfalls, and the cheerleader pyramid of giant ants were all a bit much to say the least. I also thought there were too many people tagging along. Of course, much of this was offset by some great family dynamics between Indy, Marion and Mutt. Shia was actually one of the better parts of the film, and my favorite part of the movie was when Indy asked Marion why the hell she let him drop out of school. Even though the action was a little over the top at times, at least it was well shot and you could follow the action. Indy 5 is going to be another film in the world of the 1950s, not the 1930s. Maybe they can add some late film noir elements. I would love to see some flashbacks to when Indy was fighting Nazis in WWII. There are so many great possibilities. I for one would rather have an uneven, but ultimately successful, Indiana Jones film that expands the mythos rather than a film that just gives us what we've seen before.
I agree, Ford wasn't the problem by ChildOfMen	Oct 4th, 2008 09:45:47 AM
I still bought him as Indy. The one memorable part of the movie for me is also the one memorable part of the trailer for me..... that scene with Indy's shadow against the car as you see him pick up his hat. Whatever else was forgettable about the movie, I just loved that little bit. But yeah, it's not even so much that I can say it was bad, just forgettable. If this was some weekly Indiana Jones TV series that would have been fine, but for the 4th movie? Just not enough. I would almost hope they could do another movie just so that THIS isn't how the franchise ends, but man, they really need to do an Indy-worthy story. My question had always been whether Ford could still pull it off, not whether they'd come up with a good enough story. In hindsight I was worried about the wrong thing.
Hire Lawrence Kasdan NOW! by RogueWarrior65	Oct 4th, 2008 10:04:50 AM
Oh, and George, don't be a cheap bastard and shoot everything on location and USE PRACTICAL EFFECTS!
Indiana Jones and the Ass Kicking of Mutt Williams by Clavius	Oct 4th, 2008 10:09:53 AM
I'd see that one twice.
Indian Jones and the Too Much CGI by zooch	Oct 4th, 2008 10:44:43 AM
Bond does not need CGI and neither does Indy
On Location? by brock landers baby	Oct 4th, 2008 10:45:36 AM
I've just watched this sack of shit and I've realised something. Just how many times was an oudoor location used? I could count it on one hand. It was all messy computer cartoony backgrounds and bright lights shining in the lens that covered the transition from real actors to cgi. Again,what a sack of shit. Awful.
Of Crystal Skulls and Bi-Planes by Logan-X	Oct 4th, 2008 11:03:59 AM
The reason why KOTCS was such a piece of garbage was because it was obviously 5 (or however many scripts they had gone through by that point) scripts mashed together to make one shitty movie. There was no real coherence to the whole thing and it felt disjointed and just, wrong. I have to disagree with Quint about the whole bi-plane sequence in Darabont's script. I felt it was way, way, way too over the top when I read it and it would have been another exercise in eye-rolling in a movie theater. A lot of the sequence is completely implausible (yes, like the nuked fridge). I remember reading it and thinking, "This is fucking ridiculous." However, that being said, at least Darabont's script was a coherent piece as a whole; at least he makes Marion a central figure and gives her something to do besides disappear for 20 minutes with no explanation to where she was; at least the villains and their motivations MAKE SENSE. His version of Ray Winstone's character (a Russian friend of Indy's named...Yuri, I think) is far more believable than the character that showed up on screen. Although the scene with him and Indy at the start is short, you actually get to know Yuri a little bit before he turns on our hero and you're a little bit surprised, whereas in KOTCS, they just tell you, "Oh this is Indy's friend, now he's not," and you're supposed to give a shit. It's lazy writing. Personally, I will not be getting the DVD of KOTCS. While 2008 was a good year with The Dark Knight, Iron Man, and Wall-E, it was also a year in which two of my favorite franchises delivered duds (the other, is obviously, Star Wars and that shitty cartoon). One last thing, Indy IS important to the end of Raiders, because without Indy around to tell Marion to shut her eyes, she ends up dead. Remember, the whole reason why he swam after the sub was to save her, not necessarily the Ark. Also, like someone else said, Indy's the one who ends up with the Ark, which leads it to be sealed away from the likes of the Nazis.
Replace Shia with Nathan Fillion by caveman65	Oct 4th, 2008 11:13:52 AM
and you might have a proper replacement for Indy.
Kasdan by Mako	Oct 4th, 2008 11:16:10 AM
If there is seriously going to be an Indy 5 - the one request I have is to bring back Kasdan to do the script. Please. Bring back Kasdan. I know everyone else can do a good job making the movie - just have the guy who wrote RAIDERS and EMPIRE do the freakin' script!!
lucas has no idea what mcguffin means by illegaltouching	Oct 4th, 2008 11:23:59 AM
he should stop using the term and stop making movies.
Indy 4 was made a decade too late. by Mr Spork	Oct 4th, 2008 11:27:05 AM
Should have been done by the late-'90s.
It would NOT have turned out the same. by Rollo Tomassi	Oct 4th, 2008 11:31:14 AM
Um . . .As in every other Indiana Jones movie, the other guys wouldn't have known how to even FIND the MaGuffin without Indy's expertise. If Indy hadn't found the Crystal Skull and brought it to Akator, and found Akator, Spalko never would have found either one, and would have gone off pursuing other supernatural objects. The interdimensional beings would never have become whole again and returned to "the space between spaces." How is this different from "The Nazis never would have found the Ark or the Holy Grail without Indy?" And, if by some chance they did find the Ark, it would have yielded the same result with or without Indy. I almost bought your argument for a second there, but going over it my mind, it holds no water at all. In fact, an infinitely stronger argument could be made that "Temple of Doom" is the only story where Indy DOES greatly change things through his involvement. If Indy had never showed up, the Thugee never would have completed their plans. It's the only movie where Indy truly defeats the bad guys in the traditional sense. Ever other time they take him prisoner and the MaGuffin gets him out.
What are you talking about, Quint? The ending of Raiders by Coughlins Laws	Oct 4th, 2008 11:31:44 AM
was almost exactly the same. Nothing Indy did affected the ending. The Nazis still opened the arc. The only thing he did was save Marion's life. Otherwise, he didn't much affect what happened besides saving Belloq months more of digging before they found it...
TRANSFORMERS was better than INDY 4 by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 4th, 2008 11:31:52 AM
Let me say that again. TRANSFORMERS was better than INDY 4. I know that will probably blow the minds of some of you folks out there but it's true. We've come a long, strange way when Michael Bay can put together a more entertaining movie than the Lucas/Spielberg/Ford machine. After the embarrassing disappointment that was INDY 4, I can't imagine they would have the balls to try for a fifth installment.
Wow, Rollo, we must've been typing at the same time by Coughlins Laws	Oct 4th, 2008 11:35:06 AM
But, yeah, ditto to what he said. That's always the one thing that bothered me about the first one. He never really accomplished anything. With the exception of saving Marion and giving the ark to the US Government to be stored in that warehouse...
I liked Indy 4 and defended it, but have really don't by Coughlins Laws	Oct 4th, 2008 11:37:18 AM
have any need to see it again. I saw it twice in theatres, and that satisfied me. The only one I really watch repeatedly now is Crusade, even though I think Raiders is better. It's just that Crusade seems more fun...
Indy 4 was fine... by LORDRANDO	Oct 4th, 2008 11:39:05 AM
and all this criticism from people who love " iron man", the most boring shit of the summer. I wish there was another decent movie site...cause this one gets worse every day.Half baked opinions, yes man reviews from Harry...Eagle Eye is good? Really? And slagging off people like George Lucas who made sequels to films THAT ARE THE REASON A SITE LIKE THIS EXISTS...that some of you fanboys just didnt like. So, you didnt like them. But these campaigns of hate against Lucas are worthy of Karl Rove, and frankly, your opinions just arent valid based on the films you do like.
I like Temple of Doom... by eXcommunicated	Oct 4th, 2008 11:42:49 AM
...precisely because Indy was a true hero. The end would not have happened without him. That's what makes Temple of Doom superior to KOTCS and TLC.
Quint by 420 Boylston St	Oct 4th, 2008 11:49:12 AM
Give it a rest. Indiana Jones 4 was an enlightening, very fun movie. All movies have flaws and I'm sick and tired of people like you continue to install your fan boy wet dreams to what Indiana Jones is and should be. You are not the voice of the fans so I'll listen to the voices of the REAL creators and not you! Thank you very much. Try making films and lets see how many of us would pay to see it? Exactly my point and No you're not entitle to say shit. The movie made a lot of money and you need to realize they're a lot of people in the world aho actually loves Indiana Jones and the new approach by Lucas and Spielberg!
Crystal Skull, oddly, got the little things right... by Couch Tripper	Oct 4th, 2008 11:49:38 AM
...I mean Harrison Ford didn't seem "close" to Indy. He was fucking Indy, just older. But he doesn't look "worked on", or limp, or weird, he looks like fucking Indiana Jones, talked like him, had the spirit, etc. That to me was the hugest reason NOT to do the movie, and yet Harrison brought his A game. The weird thing is that as was mentioned in the article, the basics were fucked up, like Indy not having any impact on the larger event. Sure, he saved his friend and Marion, so there was a reason for him to be there, but everything after he saved them was just him running through a movie. Patton Oswalt also said another great thing about the movie: First one ends with that great ominous shot of the ark in the warehouse. Second ends with the thankful village. Third one ends with them riding off into the sunset. Fourth one ends with old people walking out of a church. There's a lot to be said for that.
They need to do the Lost City of Atlantis... by Coughlins Laws	Oct 4th, 2008 11:52:31 AM
No more alien stuff...
Lovecraft = Problem solved... by moody by nature	Oct 4th, 2008 11:53:06 AM
For the love of god, just dye Ford's hair, call it a prequal set in the late 40's after the war, set during Indy's spying on the Reds days. Throw in The Necronomicon, a mysterious cyclopeon island, a hint of otherworldly monsters, Christian Bale/Hugh Jackman as the amoral young English archeologist competing against Ford, Jeremy Irons or Jurgen Prochnow as the ruthless Russian commander hunting the prize, and Summer Glau as the artist chick having visions and nightmares. Give it to Darabont to write (his way), call it Indiana Jones and the Call of Cthulhu and be done with it George!
Indiana Jones and This Island Earth!!! by Coughlins Laws	Oct 4th, 2008 11:53:17 AM

The ending to Raiders would have been the same had Indy never go by TiVo1138	Oct 4th, 2008 12:03:40 PM
You're friend is a moron. That's what's great about them is because the serials were exactly like that. In Raiders, the Nazis still acquire the Ark. They still open it. And they're still all wiped out. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is an Indiana Jones movie for the atomic age (it is after all set in the '50s). The only thing different is the expectations.
Maybe they'll make one that sucks more then KOTCS so that movie by rutan07	Oct 4th, 2008 12:14:22 PM
I mean really...Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was so horrible it actually tainted my view of every other Indy. I only think they made that move so that Temple of Doom wouldn't seem so bad anymore so if they do a fifth one, base it only around Shia, and have Harrison come back in to sleep walk through the whole thing while bad CGI (from the guys who invented CGI) plays out around them I could see myself not hating Kingdom of the Crystal Skull so much anymore. Great plan George! Make new movie after new movie, each one worse then the one previous, so I actually start to think fondly of some of the stuff your doing now a days. GENIUS!
Yeah, I actually really liked KOTCS. Give it time to ferment! by dr sauch	Oct 4th, 2008 12:21:28 PM
I think that you guys are not giving it enough time to settle in. The original Indy Trilogy has had decades to set it, to become ingrained in pop culture, and to amass a cult following. You can't expect all that to instantly hit the first time you watch the movie. The first time I saw the original Indy trilogy, I thought it was campy and dumb. But then I realized "hey, this movie rocks because it's campy and dumb, and has great unbelievable adventures!". I don't think any of us can write of KOTCS until we've had time to get over our insanely high expectations, cultivated from worship of moves that have become classics.
I predict that in 10 years by Vern	Oct 4th, 2008 12:28:24 PM
most of you won't remember why you hated Crystal Skull so much. The rest of you will be lonely. Just jerkin your chain, don't mean to insult anybody. But I still don't get why this movie is so hated. I'll try watching it a third time and hopefully figure it out. Until then I'll give Mr. Nice Gauis the benefit of the doubt and assume that his claim that TRANSFORMERS is a better movie on any single level was done in a fit of drunken passion and not meant to be taken seriously. If they do make a part 5 (I kind of doubt it) I think everyone wins because those of us who enjoy these movies will get to watch it and the rest of you will have more to complain about when you get over the Star Wars cartoon in the year 3475.
Aw what's the use? by Crimson Dynamo	Oct 4th, 2008 12:30:42 PM
Lucas has lost whatever little he had, Spielberg is apathetic and Ford is damn near 70. I like the poster's idea about the Tesla tech though. Speaking of which, wasn't Gilliam considering a Tesla biopic at one time? I'd vote Turturro for Tesla.
BTW, everyone mentions the nuked fridge... by Crimson Dynamo	Oct 4th, 2008 12:38:05 PM
but no one mentions those fucking ants!
Indy IV and Star Wars III by Alec.Eiffel	Oct 4th, 2008 12:40:54 PM
should have been the same movie. Indy finds C3P0 and R2D2 in a temple somehwere and R2 transports him through time and space using some space technology to the Star Wars universe where he founds the rebellion and dies a noble death, but not before impregnating some woman with Han Solo.
I love reading willfully ignorant readings of KOTCS by Arteska	Oct 4th, 2008 12:49:20 PM
Keep 'em coming you doofs.
Vern - the thing is by Samson_K	Oct 4th, 2008 12:55:55 PM
I don't get why anyone likes Indy IV. Sure it seemed to have all the elements that an Indiana Jones film needed apart from having any real heart. I don't know why it didn't work - well, I know for me why it didn't work - it took a protagonist like Indiana Jones and made him into a reactive character rather than a proactive. We were introduced to a character - Mac - and were overloaded with information about him in an attempt to make his betrayal 'matter'. It lost the character of Jones on a number of occassions - the quicksand scene was almost like Henry Jones Sr possessed him for a scene The action scenes were curiously empty of tension and the whole thing was a bland movie The whole idea that the only people who don't like Indy don't like it because of some Lucas hate is a bit pandering to 'cool'. I didn't have a problem with the Nuke / Fridge scene - it fitted in the Jones series well and the gophers / Tarzan/ Ants stuff - wasn't offended at all but the fact that it was such a hollow film was why I disliked it. Why did you like it?
The only thing good about KOTCS... by Lucasblows	Oct 4th, 2008 12:56:30 PM
...was Harrison Ford and that makes it infinitely worse. To see Ford had the chops to still pull this off only to be wasted in this vapid excuse for a film is a disgrace. Not to mention the retarded use of Marion. How do you treat Marion like a surprise in the film when you announced to the world at Comic Con that she was in it?
Lucas is a Genius, But He's Gotten CORNY w/ Age by cowboyone	Oct 4th, 2008 01:03:22 PM
How can anyone get past the zombie grave robbing that was shot like a musical (?!) or the swinging through the jungle with the monkeys (?!) or the using a snake as a rope (?!) Indy was a BADASS in the original. He SHOT the swordsman in the town square. What happened to that guy?!
SO Cunty by George Peppard	Oct 4th, 2008 01:07:21 PM
When Temple of Doom came out, many forlorn young men complained angrily and wrote letters to "Starlog" about how the tone (and the raft and the voodoo doll) CROSSED THE LINE! It broke the laws set down by Raiders. But this is totally different I'm sure.
Alien vs Predator vs IJ by Banditmania	Oct 4th, 2008 01:11:34 PM

VERN! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 4th, 2008 01:40:30 PM
No. Unfortunately, I was not in a fit of drunken passion with that remark but I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt. Even knowing how much you despise TRANSFORMERS, I can honestly say that Bay's movie entertained me more than INDY 4. It wasn't even close. And I can't tell you how much it pains me to say that.
YES! BRING BACK SHORT ROUND! by Short Round	Oct 4th, 2008 01:46:52 PM
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KOTCS was no worse than Crusade... by Short Round	Oct 4th, 2008 01:48:53 PM
Raiders is gold, with Doom taking a distant silver. Otherwise, for me, Crusade and Skull are neck and neck.
Henry Jones...Junior! by performingmonkey	Oct 4th, 2008 01:53:27 PM
The first half of Skull was OK. Decent bike chase scene, some good interaction with Ford and Shia (movie should have been more about just those two). Second half is a complete disaster. Needed at least 2 more drafts, better direction from the 'Berg in the stupid 'family' scenes. The movie goes wrong when John Hurt turns up then gets very bad with Marion's appearance. Suddenly it's not Indiana Jones. The ending is utterly pointless crap. Cate Blanchett wasted.
What helped me appreciate Indy 4 was... by rbatty024	Oct 4th, 2008 01:57:13 PM
that I watched the first three films before going into the theater. I love Doom and Crusade but you have to admit they're some really flawed films (just like Indy 4). It was the first time I really noticed this since It had been at least a decade since I last watched the Indiana Jones films. We put those two movies on a pedestal because of nostalgia (and a few great moments) but I think the reaction on these boards would have been similar when Doom or Crusade had come out. Of course Indy 4 has a handful of great moments as well. The motorcycle chase, Indy telling Marion what the problem with all those other women was, Indy snatching his hat back from Mutt, and, yes, even the nuked fridge.
Agree that the Indy/Mutt dynamic was the... by Short Round	Oct 4th, 2008 01:58:13 PM
...strong suit of the film. It really should have focused on that instead of trotting out Karen Allen and not giving us Marion Ravenwood. I look forward to a 5th (and final) Jones adventure, hopefully involving Nazis hidden in Argentina or something...
Lucas' "projects" have ceased to hold any relevance by juice willis	Oct 4th, 2008 01:59:05 PM
to this old head.
Vern you are one simple motherfucker by juice willis	Oct 4th, 2008 02:04:39 PM
Some of us aren't so easily entertained.
Don't bring Mutt back. Please. by Roketopunch	Oct 4th, 2008 02:16:03 PM
I'll give Indy another chance but leave that little Rebel without applause out.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom Of Crabgrass by skimn	Oct 4th, 2008 02:16:47 PM
We pick up Indiana 3 years after his marriage to Marion. He lives in a sixties style cul-de-sac and is mostly bedridden due to advanced stages of cancer from his exposure to radiation following the atomic blast. He pads around the house in a disheveled bathroom mumbling that his good-for-nothing son should get a job, or at least mow the goddamn lawn... I'm sorry Indy, with your last "adventure" lay down the whip, and give it a rest. Lucas, stop milking your two franchises to death and retire with your kagillions, or at least, come up with something new. The action-adventure franchise that looks to be worth anything nowadays is Bond. The latest trailer for Quantum looks fantastic.
KOTCS just felt tired. by Orbots Commander	Oct 4th, 2008 02:20:50 PM
It actually reminded me of Spiderman 3: you could almost see the director, bored with the series, literally phoning the direction in. Spielberg was probably dragged to do this, out of his loyalty to his friends, Lucas and Ford. I suspect Spielberg has moved on, in his mind. I don't see another Indy flick in his future, other than an Executive Producer credit. Watching Ford still swashbuckling in his mid-60's brought to mind Sean Connery, when he was going through the motions in his final Bond role in the early 1980's. The whole movie just felt...off.
Arteska by slone13	Oct 4th, 2008 02:27:48 PM
I laughed at loud at the thought of a prairie dog that talks and rides in one of Indy's jacket pockets. Comedy gold.
Indy Saving The Day by Acquanetta	Oct 4th, 2008 02:32:33 PM
The great in-joke of Raiders is the fact that Indy was essentially useless at the end. It was the ultimate deus ex machina. So yeah, Temple is really the only one where Indy saves the day. But even then, you could argue that he really only saved the village and children. There's nothing to suggest that the Thuggees would've actually taken over the world with their handful of magic rocks. Or that they would've ever found all five of them. Let's face it, the Thuggees weren't even equipped to deal with rifles. As for KOTCS, I agree with Vern. This film will certainly hold up much better than any of the prequels- mainly because of Ford's strong performance. The bottom line is that it was a fun movie.
IJATKOTCS by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2008 02:35:04 PM
is flawed, but still my favourtie movie of the summer. It was probably just the nostalgia kicking in, and seeing Spielberg, Lucas and Ford together again. Things got off to a horrible start with the CG gopher (what were they thinking - why choose that to establish a 50s milieu?!) but the opening credits set to Hound Dog was classic Spielberg. Yeah there were flaws but I might actually rate it higher than Last Crusade which was just a flat remake of Raiders.
juice willis by mr.brownstone	Oct 4th, 2008 02:35:37 PM
Being "hard to entertain" isn't exactly a badge of honor. In the real world people who are hard to entertain are normally referred to as "a drag".
Judiasm, Hinduism, Catholicism, Geekism.... by abigblueball	Oct 4th, 2008 02:44:50 PM
The Ark, The Stones, The Grail, The Skulls/Spaceship...all explore artifacts and ideas of the major religious traditions. It's pretty clear what religion should be next? Buddhism! Indiana Jones and the Suffering of All Mankind! Bring back Short round as Monk who helps Indy takes on Red China in Tibet!
YES LETS DRIVE THIS FRANCHISE INTO THE GROUND TOO by BurgerKing	Oct 4th, 2008 02:46:50 PM
doing it to everyone else, why not?!
The gopher hole opening by skimn	Oct 4th, 2008 02:55:40 PM
Speilberg has always employed differences of scale to comedic effect. The Paramount logo has dissolved to a replica in each film, so in this instance Speiberg is making a visual joke based on the expression "making a mountain out of a molehill", except he flipped it, and turned a mountain into a molehill. I think in essence saying, this isn't the cure for cancer, its a fun movie. Sit back, relax, and enjoy.
I point blank refuse to see KOTCS by hallmitchell	Oct 4th, 2008 03:07:00 PM
Ever. I will never see it. Can someone tell me anything good that George Lucas has done post 1989? You have the money, get some talent on this. Get a James Cameron Indiana Jones script.
Indiana Jones News that would get me excited. by hallmitchell	Oct 4th, 2008 03:10:51 PM
Cast Bruce Willis as a rival. Adam Jones from Tool - directing. James Cameron Script. George Lucas producing. Set in the middle east, maybe Ancient Babylon ruins.
MNG is correct: Transformers was more entertaining by chromedome	Oct 4th, 2008 03:21:09 PM
Crystal Skull, at best, was like a visit to a place that you had a good time at in the past. You remembered the past fun times, but the current visit was just nostalgia for the past, rather than present joy. Much better to have just pulled out the The Last Crusade dvd again..... Transformers was fresh and new, so more pure entertainment there. With all that had gone before in the Indy films, Skull really had little chance to add substance to the legacy. Transformers had Megan Fox, too, and that sure enough helped!
Lucas' name on a project now.... by chromedome	Oct 4th, 2008 03:23:31 PM
...is an emblem of mediocrity to me. Not a must-see, but a must-convince-me-to-see....
MUTT WILLIAMS and the CUB CHASERS OF DEATH by shogunshin	Oct 4th, 2008 03:28:51 PM

Last time I checked. Indy movies were fun popcorn movies by Orionsangels	Oct 4th, 2008 03:29:20 PM
You don't question anything. You go in and enjoy the ride. It's a fun adventure. That supposed to have impossibilities. Times sure have changed. Do you think in 39 people walked out of the Wizard of Oz. Questioning if monkey's could fly? No, we've all suddenly become movie experts. Who think we know how to make a movie. Last time I checked. No man can pull a man's heart out of his chest. Oh but we didn't question that in Temple of Doom, but the Fridge scene. Now that's impossible. Gimmie a break! These movies aren't Shakespeare.
MUTT WILLIAMS FROTTAGES HIS FRIEND OF DOROTHY by shogunshin	Oct 4th, 2008 03:29:37 PM

MUTT WILLIAMS searches for his HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN by shogunshin	Oct 4th, 2008 03:30:31 PM

MUTT WILLIAMS AND HIS UNCUT TWINK OF TOMORROW by shogunshin	Oct 4th, 2008 03:31:49 PM

now that we're all batting around ideas... by Dr.DirtyD	Oct 4th, 2008 03:32:29 PM

Raiders and Last Crusade would have been the same too by ZeroC	Oct 4th, 2008 03:35:50 PM
Had Indy not gotten involved. They open the Ark, get wiped out. They find the Holy Grail, try to take it past the seal, cue earthquake. Really, the only film where Indy actually accomplished anything was ToD.
Lucas has lost it + Sequels need to STOP! by ass clown	Oct 4th, 2008 03:42:52 PM
Indiana Jones KOTCS was not just forgettable, it was an absolute travesty. George Lucas has lost it, Steven Spielberg doesn't have the balls to pull off an edgy film, and there should never be another Indiana Jones film. Lets face it, sequels need to be made in careful moderation. Just because we have fond childhood memories of these characters doesn't mean we need to insert them back into scripts and stories where they dont belong. This latest Indy installment would have bombed had it not involved the Indiana Jones franchise, the story and movie were aweful. Take Live Free or Die Hard, the script was not even written for a Die Hard film, the studio just switched out the authors protagonist with John McClane. Its a cheap way to make a few extra bucks and to revive the careers of aging hollywood stars. Its time for innovation and fresh ideas, we need movies like Avatar to liven things up and for the next generation to have their own characters to cherish not just rehashes of ours.
...I think: by Dr.DirtyD	Oct 4th, 2008 03:44:01 PM
That wackybantha is partly right, It would be interesting and fun if they kill off someone close to indy, then he could loses it and go out for revenge...Bond style. In the end he can "learn" that revenge is bad and stuff, to please the filmmakers sensibilities. And really, I don't think Crystal skull is a bad Indiana Jones movie. I believe, aside from technology, the only thing that has changed over the years is US viewers. I know this is said a lot up here. But I don't think anyone truly considers it. I don't think any of you can. You're all so emotionally attached to early film experiences, you're incapable of NOT being overwhelmingly subjective.
Indy could be cool again if... by alienindisguise	Oct 4th, 2008 03:46:39 PM
Lucas left his hacky, uncreative hands off of it. CGI has devoured that man like the Sarlacc gobbled up Fett.
Seeing Indy 4 was a surreal experience... by Alan_Moore	Oct 4th, 2008 03:48:17 PM
I liken it to the decline that many long running film series go through. For example, Universal's original James Whale Frankenstein is an undisputed classic. But by the time you get to the later sequels in the 40's, the series was being churned out as strictly B fare. KOTCS was perhaps the most expensive B movie we've seen in awhile; nearly every aspect of it felt subpar. The main problem was the sloppy script, of course, and the CGI overkill certainly didn't help. And it's just odd, in our ridiculously youth-obsessed culture, to even have a summer blockbuster centered around a 65 year old man. That said, Ford was GREAT. Easily the best thing about the movie, he deserved to be in a better film. I blame Spielberg, who should've known better.
My proposal for Indy 5. by rbatty024	Oct 4th, 2008 03:50:41 PM
The first quarter to a third of the film should be in the style of a late 1950s film noir (think Kiss Me Deadly). It begins with a mystery linked to Indy's actions during WWII. This allows us plenty of great flashback set pieces where we get to see Indy killing plenty of dead Nazis. When the MacGuffin is revealed then the film becomes the old globetrotting series we've all come to know and love. Keep the MacGuffin within the realm of science fiction. Maybe a mathematical formula that reveals the secrets of how to manipulate dimensions, or something equally as wonderfully absurd.
One big thig...I didn't get the lighting in Indy 4... by FlickaPoo	Oct 4th, 2008 04:25:26 PM
...they lit Harrison Ford from every possible angle to hide his age like some sort of Barbara Walters Pre-Oscar interview or an Elizabeth Taylor perfume ad..........I would have done the exact opposite...light Indy to bring out every crease, scar, wrinkle and fold......that's what makes Indiana Jones cool...it's the mileage baby. Indy was never Arnold or Stallone...he was always a bit of an old man...that was the best part, like an old pair of work boots that just keeps kicking ass. In conclusion, in addition to everything else that sucked in KOTCS...the lighting sucked too.
"thing" dammitt...."thing". I'm a typo machine. by FlickaPoo	Oct 4th, 2008 04:26:18 PM

Indiana Jones and the Arrogance of Lucas by jawsfan	Oct 4th, 2008 04:37:04 PM
What bothers me most is that Lucas apparently thinks that because he created the character of IJ he is therefore the only one who is entitled to come up with stories for him. It is already well-documented that for years after "Crusade" Lucas wanted to make another Indy film with an extra-terrestrial storyline, but Spielberg and (especially) Ford pooh-poohed that idea because it was lame and not in the Indy "vein". Other story ideas from other writers came and went, but eventually Lucas got his way. The clock was ticking. Time was getting away from them. If they were gonna make another Indy film they had to get (whip)cracking or else everybody involved (namely Ford) would be too old the pull it off. So, we get aliens. George gets his way, and an Indy-starved fanbase rushes out to see it - granted, with varied expectations. We all spent our money to see it -- but don't let the box office results fool you. The early box office results don't show how good a movie is, only how many people with a few bucks in their pocket took a chance on it being good. I'm old and seasoned enough now to know that a director with some great movies under his belt is still only as good as his last movie. There is no such thing as a director who "can do no wrong". Just because it has Spielberg's name on it doesn't mean it will be good product. Similarly, The Rolling Stones put out some classic songs and records, but they also put out their fair share of unimpressive stuff too. Not everything they touch will turn to gold. "Jaws" is probably my all-time favorite movie, but I don't attribute its greatness to Spielberg being anything close to a "Genius" filmmaker. Anyone who has done any digging into the story behind the making of that film knows that "Jaws" turned out great by happy accident. The film that hit the theaters was NOT the film that Spielberg set out to make. It became a suspenseful and Hitchcock-ian film because there were so many production and mechanical problems with the fake sharks that they had to "shoot around" the shark. There wasn't much shark in the film because they couldn't get the damned thing to work. If Bob Mattey's mechanical shark had functioned as intended, the end result would be a film with a goofy-looking metal shark showing up all too often. And Spielberg himself admitted many times that John Williams's score was responsible for at least half the success of the film. Had the movie been different, the score would have been different, and the whole package would have performed differently and most likely not nearly as well. SO WHAT'S MY POINT??? There are far too many variables in making a film to be able to point its success to one thing or another. The final product is the result of the consequences of thousands of decisions, big and small, and the creative input of many many people. With each passing year, however, it seems more and more clear that George Lucas is forgetting that fact. He is so "vision-driven" that he has lost his objectivity. Indy 4 was a failure as a movie but a success as a "product". Congratulations, George. You have become what you once despised.
Spielberg fucking directed the film by I Dunno	Oct 4th, 2008 04:51:01 PM
And two other guys worked on the screenplay after Lucas wrote the story. But somehow it's all Lucas' fault?
Vern is so right ! by Bellock	Oct 4th, 2008 05:01:51 PM
'nuff said.
Indiana Jones in Space? by j_difool	Oct 4th, 2008 05:09:26 PM
Getting up on that saucer with Mutt and just having a big-ass Ewok party on that motherfucker with George Clinton and some LSD, baby! And some Jar-Jar, baby!
Only 1 good movie... by McTreble	Oct 4th, 2008 05:26:47 PM
Let's face it, gang: The Indiana Jones "franchise" only has one great movie. What keeps us believing in it is the cute little trick that the one great movie is argued between people. We can all agree that Temple of Doom sucked big hairy balls. That being said, some people are Raiders folks, others like Last Crusade as their top film. I happen to fall into the Crusade camp. Crystal Skull won't ever be considered great, but to me, the "franchise" as a whole was never that sacred of a cow anyway. That being said, C-3PO's might have been the most savagely honest breakfast cereal of our, or a any generation. Eating it was like holding a mirror up to the wickedness of our world.
Whiny bitches, all of you and Skull > Crusade by SpreadLegsNotWar	Oct 4th, 2008 05:28:19 PM
It's really gotta suck to not be able to enjoy something like Indy 4 because of four seconds of prairie dogs or Indy surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge. Newsflash, he's Indiana Jones, since when has anything he's done been remotely realistic? Was getting Hitler's autograph realistic? Meeting a knight of the Last Crusade? I could go on and on and on with the ridiculous shit that went down in the first three but I don't watch an Indy movie for realism and neither shoud you. Fucking pansies all of you, wanting to view these kind of movies through the rose colored glasses of your youth. If Last Crusade or Doom and Crystal's release dates were switched you'd all be bitching about the various shortcomings of the Crusade and Doom.
Speak for yourselves, fuckers! by caruso_stalker217	Oct 4th, 2008 05:39:48 PM
McTreble, TEMPLE OF DOOM is my favorite Indiana Jones movie. You can keep those big, hairy, suckable balls to yourself. SpreadLegsNotWar (great name, by the way), I have to disagree. People already bitch about CRUSADE and DOOM. Switching the release dates won't change anything. The fact is CRYSTAL SKULL is a poor film. I don't even compare it to the first three films. I'm judging it by itself, as a single film, as one should do with any movie. And it is just a lackluster effort. Everybody is on auto-pilot here. I never got involved in the story. I wanted to. Shit, I went back to watch it a second time to see if I would enjoy it and I couldn't. I started to fidget about two-thirds in. I thought the Harrison/Shia chemistry was great. Other than that I couldn't really give a shit. And there is no excuse for it. If you're gonna make a film with a $150 million budget (or whatever it was) you'd better fucking make a damn good movie. Otherwise what was the point of spending all that money? They could have made a better film for half the budget, if they'd only made the effort.
Caruso... by SpreadLegsNotWar	Oct 4th, 2008 05:50:11 PM
Yeah, but the bitching would be infinitely louder if they were released today. Hey, Skull isn't a great movie, nor is it a great Indiana Jones movie. To me it's just a very entertaining movie if you let it be what it is which isn't the next coming of Movie Jesus.
Indiana Jones and the Search for Lucas' Lost Soul by br1947	Oct 4th, 2008 05:51:55 PM
That would be worth watching.
one problem by yubnubrocks	Oct 4th, 2008 05:58:40 PM
may have been mentioned so sorry for repeating, but I think too much is put into Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones. If the character's THAT strong, then another actor should be able to step into that character and pull it off - James bond comes to mind - yes, some bad movies but some good ones too. If Lucas would be open to that idea, they wouldn't have had to jump ahead 20 years and could have continued with younger actors.
SpreadLegsNotWar by Cadillac Jones	Oct 4th, 2008 06:07:07 PM
Seems to be a good fellow and understands these films well. Also - you don't hear bitching about the CGI ants because they were pretty fucking cool. The ONLY sequence that was god-awful was the Mutt-Tarzan-Swing, but that was mercifully short.
Indy V? FUCK OFF! by uberfreak	Oct 4th, 2008 06:07:18 PM
People who liked KOTCS are the same idiots that think Palin is a credible VP.
I liked KOTCS... by Cadillac Jones	Oct 4th, 2008 06:09:58 PM
...Palin would be a terrible VP. Stop trolling.
Indy saves Marion, his Dad among other things in the endings by Flip63Hole	Oct 4th, 2008 06:12:43 PM
Watch them again, take notes...
by AllieJamison	Oct 4th, 2008 06:14:22 PM
I don't give a shit about the gophers, the fridge or the monkeys. In fact I thought that the doomtown scene was one of the best parts of the film. It only featured Indy without his entourage of four other underused and at the same time overexposed characters and provided enough thrill to pass for a typical Indy's-in-a-huge-amount-of-tro uble-and-can-just-barely-escap e-death situation. The film just didn't have enough of those scenes. You can tell that rolling boulders, spike chambers and mine car chases isn't exactly what Spielberg thinks about these days. That fucking staircase made me cringe. When Indy was holding up the skull against the skull-painting to open the door (what a great moment) I wished for something really bad to happen to them to create any kind of suspense. But until the end - nothing significant happened. There was actually no climax involving Indy's character. You know it's pretty bad if you have to complain about the protagonist's involvement in the story that is named after him. I'm not sure if CS is a bad action-adventure film per se. But it's a bad Indy-flick. ...whatever. I don't understand all this talk about a fifth film because I cannot believe that it is actually going to happen. I'm just hoping that in the not too distant future Harrison Ford will become attached to a better than average motion picture with a strong director and script. I really hope this is possible...
Temple was fucking great, you bastards. by BMacSmith	Oct 4th, 2008 06:28:31 PM
Short Round! anyway, this movie better have nuked fridges.
BMac by yubnubrocks	Oct 4th, 2008 06:30:19 PM
Yep, Temple is great! I actually didn't like it when I saw it in the theater back in '84 but watching it recently with my son I came to a whole new appreciation of it. I find it "humanizes" Indiana Jones and shows that he does give a shit about people, not just material objects. Great screenplay, direction (that opening sequence is a classic! "Too much to drink, Dr. Jones???"). Excellent.
Last Crusade was a lot goofier than Crystal Skull by I Dunno	Oct 4th, 2008 06:36:14 PM
With all the slapstick of Ford falling down, making goofy faces, a drunken Marcus Brody and flat out retarded Sallah and I'll take CGI over the shitty FX in Last Crusade (yes, even for 1989). As for the guy who said that Jaws was a happy accident, that's bullshit. The fact that the shark didn't work and yet Spielberg was able to pull off a great movie is a testament to how good the direction was. A lesser director would have given up or half assed it. Spielberg changed his direction to fit the circumstances. And the shark not working has nothing to do with the excellently directed performances and Spielberg changing the ending from the novel to be more cinematic instead of boring and pointless. And sure the score was brilliant but a score needs a movie more than a movie needs a score.
Temple shits all over by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2008 06:37:05 PM
Crusade and Skull. Check out the sequence where Jones find the human sacrifice altar in the jungle just before they reach Pankot Palace - wide angle lens close up on Indy's eyes as he walks right up to camera, John Williams ominous music, a real location - these are the things that Spielberg was the master of.
I Dunno by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2008 06:38:07 PM
Agreed about Crusade being the goofiest. It took all the situations from Raiders and played them like a Roger Moore Bond movie.
To defend Skull for a moment by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2008 06:45:20 PM
Shia swinging on the vines is no goofier than Short Round doing his ladder ride/rope grab bit in Temple. Although the Temple sequence is much better executed. OK, i'm not defending Skull at all.
whiny bitches ... like uberfreak by t40stunt	Oct 4th, 2008 06:52:06 PM
yeah , i mentioned your sad little pussy ass . i liked it so go fuck yourself .
KOTC wasn't bad by fastcars	Oct 4th, 2008 07:07:35 PM
It was just a two star movie when it should have been a four star movie.
I mean KOCS...whatever by fastcars	Oct 4th, 2008 07:08:37 PM
Han shot first.
KOTCS by fastcars	Oct 4th, 2008 07:09:08 PM
KOTSSCKCKAkKAEKANDIFDIK
My friends said that they enjoyed Crystal Skull... by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Oct 4th, 2008 07:35:01 PM
... which seemed to be their testimont to them thinking the film to be good. But heh, even an awful wank is enjoyable - but it don't make that wank GOOD now, does it?! I went into Cystal Skull with an open and hopeful mind - but I honestly can't believe how much I hated it when it was over. I don't even like to think about it, it is that bad. At least with some bad films I will think about why they fail so much, but this one was such a kick in the balls from Spielberg to not only an Indy loyalist, but also a Spielberg believer too, that I just want to forget this film ever happened and get distance on it. The fact is that the makers of this film (yes, Ford too, who just looked too old, haggered and crumbling) have exhausted me and my beliefs for a decent Indy film that whenever I hear talk of an Indy 5 I just wanna jump up and shout NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave it the fuck alone, it is a case of 'you think you want it but you don't' you've done more than enough damage and overall quality of the Indy movie series already with Skull, please don't make it worse. As the odds of overcoming all the obstacles to deliver a worthy Indy movie, if Skull is anything to go by, feel very very slim indeed. Oh and one more thing towards Jawsfan. Pardon me if I'm wrong, but all that praise of Williams being what made Jaws so great? Well I think Spielberg was the one who used artistic judgement, talent, taste and instinct - to HIRE John Williams in the first place for that film unless I'm mistaken. So right there, is even more proof that Spielberg is more responsible than you think for why that movie is one of the greatest landmarks ever (I don't use the word 'ever' lightly - ever) in film history.
Well that's too bad leobloom by Orionsangels	Oct 4th, 2008 07:36:20 PM
You're a cynical bitter fuck!
Spielberg on Spielberg by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Oct 4th, 2008 07:46:40 PM
You guys ever read those intereviews where Steven Spielberg talks about what he thinks of himself, or of his own movies? Where he honestly 'reviews' them and tells US what HE thinks of them? I have found the guy to be so sincere and totally for real when he does this. He even panned Hook, Doom, The Lost World, whereas he said that Empire of the Sun was a great movie that did lose it's narrative part of the way through. He DOES open up and admits it if he thinks the films are shit or great - and mostly I agree with his views too. SO - I am just waiting waiting WAITING for the time when he finally tells us what he thinks of SKULL. We've heard Lucas and Ford talking about, but have only heard a vague mention from Lucas about how Steven wanted to take it in a different direction than him and wanted to take it more to the 'past than the future', whatever that exactly means. Now, when Spielberg finally goes public with his opinions on Crystal Skull, providing he thinks lowly on it as we mostly all do, not only will it be so refreshing for us to hear this, but it MIGHT give me some hope that if there ever is an Indy 5, it might just work. Though again, Spielberg is STILL lumbered with the same obstacles to overcome to make a decent Indy movie, which he also experienced and subsequently failed to do with Crystal Skull too. Mainly he still will be taking certain orders from Lucas, who seems to be on an opposite wavelength to Spielberg, and at the end of the day is controlling far too much of Steven's creative input into these films. So even if Spielberg does own up to what a mountain of crap Skull was and wants to redeem himself, it don't necessarily make it so that this will happen. So I'm in 2 minds about what impact Spielberg's reaction to Indy 4 will have on an Indy 5. It might mean he'll make a better film through extra effort, then again, he's got one helluva deep groove of shit to get himself out from.
You know it really farks me off... by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Oct 4th, 2008 07:59:59 PM
... when you guys are talking in this thread faster than Julia Roberts can shag all the leading men in Hollywood, then when I come in here and start chiming in with the wisest of posts here trying to get in on the conversation - you all just seize up and shut up and stop posting. What's wrong with you guys here? Sheeezh, it's even worse than that debacle failure forum called 'The Zone' that needs to be just closed down now as it's so DEEAADD!!!! Talk to me, people! TALK to MEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, Cpt Kirks 2pay by I Dunno	Oct 4th, 2008 08:12:01 PM
You're basically saying the same thing as most everyone else, that the blame is all Lucas' for whatever you didn't like about CS. Spielberg may have agreed to Lucas' story but he's still the director of the film. He's in charge of what appears on the screen.
RE Harrison Ford has lost his edge from the 80's by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Oct 4th, 2008 08:17:11 PM
by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET Oct 4th, 2008 07:24:35 AM what about What Lies Beneath. He wasn't a good guy there. What about K-19- the man can play dark roles. You make it sounds like he went into Jack Ryan mode and did nothing else until he played Indy again. Comeon now... - Come on nothing! What you've quoted there are only the exceptions to Ford's roles where he mainly DID go into Jack Ryan mode in his films. Even when you throw in the odd Hollywood Homicide where Ford could be more loud and cool, extrovertive and flawed, the guy still has been playing the same kinda guy over and over, or at least with the same acting style repeatedly so that he ends up just doing an impression of his mumbly, quiet, tired looking self. I agree with you that he can play dark or bad guy roles EXTREMELY well. I loved the guy in the 80s as he could do Mosquito Coast (his best role I think) and show his diversity, but then he gave it up in the 90s circa Jack Ryan and ended up repeating himself far too often that even a great fan that I am become bored with him and virtually gave up on him. The depressing and disappointing fact is, is that of all the stars that I can think of, Harrison Ford has been repeating himself most of all and far too much. Maybe with the exception of Andy Garcia - and look where his one trick pony has landed him in the actor's race. Get the point, Harrison?!??! Even Keanu Reeves and Mark Hamill are seemingly doing more acting in their choices of roles than Ford is!!!
I Dunno by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Oct 4th, 2008 08:23:49 PM
No, I'm not saying that it's Lucas's fault as much as you are thinking I meant. I really am not. I do believe that Spielberg is equally or most reponsible for the insult to Indy and Spielberg fans that was Crystal Skull was. Again, he is the guy who calls the shots the most, he's the guy that agrees to go along with what Lucas has put on the table for him to direct. I know there's some decisions he has to grit his teeth and agree to go along with Lucas on, but OK, let me put it this way, I reckon there's something like a 50/50 to 70/30 blame to be laid at these 2's feet, Spielberg to Lucas respectively in those ratios. Spielberg knew what he was doing, he weren't any robot controlled by Lucas to THAT extent. For one thing, Spielberg's the dude that directed such sedated or phoned in performances from the cast, Shia a possible exception.
Bring It On by Anakin Whoopass	Oct 4th, 2008 08:40:10 PM
Harrison Ford's still got it so I support using it while he can! It's either Indiana Jones or more generic thrillers where he saves his family from kidnappers. At least analyzing Lucas' weird choices is fun, as in: why is a smart man doing this?
Indiana Jones and Get Off My Lawn You Little Punks! by Odkin	Oct 4th, 2008 09:12:36 PM
Maybe he could just whip 'em from the rocker on his porch.
Indiana Jones and the Lost Check From Social Security by Odkin	Oct 4th, 2008 09:15:31 PM
Imagine the epic mob fight scene at the Social Security Office
I will give the status on the INDIANA JONES adventure... by Gus Van Rant	Oct 4th, 2008 09:17:05 PM
It is DOA...Dead on Arrival for you idiots out there.
Indiana Jones and Oops I Crapped My Pants by Odkin	Oct 4th, 2008 09:17:07 PM
OK I'm done
BRING BACK THE REALISM OF THE FIRST by Earthquake WestCoast	Oct 4th, 2008 09:34:58 PM
Bring back the realism of "Raiders of the Lost Ark". I'm not talking about storywise, I'm talking about the way it was shot. Old school speliberg use to film movies that had a realistic look and feel, this way once the over the top and fantastic stuff happens, you can't help but to buy into it. But, if the films feel and look fake (over use of sets and cgi) then everything else will have a fake and stale feel too.
INDY SHOULD OF HAD A DAUGHTER!!!!! by Earthquake WestCoast	Oct 4th, 2008 09:36:42 PM
I want to see a hot/cute/ teenage girl in a tight sweater and poodle skirt dammit! Not some girly boy in a leather jacket that cries all the time!
All this talk about MacGuffins by Stunt Vocalist 709	Oct 4th, 2008 10:06:03 PM
is making me hungry. I'm going to McDonalds and get me an Egg MacGuffin.
LOL t40stump by uberfreak	Oct 4th, 2008 10:12:45 PM
Calling me a pussy on an anonymous msg board. Hahahaha! You are so brave. You are my hero... dumbass.
I would have LOVED Natalie Portman as Indy's daughter by Nasty In The Pasty	Oct 4th, 2008 10:18:21 PM
She CAN act without the Lucas sedation, and agreed about seeing her in a 50's poodle skirt!
indiana jones and the all you can eat buffet by ReEkOs_RoUgHnEcKs	Oct 4th, 2008 10:22:33 PM
of doom
My grandfather looks more comofrtable running... by Cameron1	Oct 4th, 2008 10:22:49 PM
than Ford does in KOTCS. It's actually painful and upsetting to watch.
I feel sorry for you goofs by Arteska	Oct 4th, 2008 10:24:24 PM
that never got to enjoy moviegoing before the internet.
Agent Johnson... by Stunt Vocalist 709	Oct 4th, 2008 11:01:20 PM
Thank you for two of the most sensible, thoughtful, and civil posts I've read in a long time.
Mythbusters... by SlickyVonBoner	Oct 4th, 2008 11:16:28 PM
needs to test the myth that a person can survive a nuclear blast in a refridgerator. No test dummy, put Jamie in there.
Agent Johnson by BadMrWonka	Oct 4th, 2008 11:19:52 PM
"But really, the only real statistics we have about how people liked it is box office." what? we all went to see it because we were HOPING it would be good. I can't get my money back from the box office gods if I don't like it, so how is that a reflection on its quality? wait for the DVD sales, if they're through the roof, then you can use that as part of your argument. but a big opening weekend for a movie with a huge built in audience has very little to do with the quality of the film, only the quality of the 3 previous films... I agree with your point in general about the back and forth idiocy in the talkbacks, but man, that is all they are ever going to be. face it, these talkbacks are just a forum for film geeks to espouse their opinions. and some of them can do it in a civil and persuasive manner, some cannot. also Indy IV was horrible because of the monkeys and ants and ridiculous plot, and if you disagree, you're a horrible person who does not have a brain. agree with me or die!
kwisatzhaderach by slone13	Oct 4th, 2008 11:49:53 PM
That sacrificial altar jungle scene in Temple is great. That nervous look on Indy's face. "Don't come up here!"
David Koepp is a shit writer by most excellent ninja	Oct 4th, 2008 11:54:13 PM
that's the end of it, i don't know where Spielberg is convinced he's a go to guy. Worst mainstream writer next to Akiva Goldsman there is.
I honestly wouldn't mind a 5th if... by The Grug	Oct 5th, 2008 01:53:16 AM
It restored some of the honour to the franchise (God that's an awful word to use for a series of films) that KOTCS removed. I just want it to be a "Rocky Balboa" - i.e. finish the series on a big ol' high.
Words I never want to fucking hear again by caruso_stalker217	Oct 5th, 2008 02:12:45 AM
"Franchise" and "MacGuffin." Wipe them from your minds, my friends.
Without Lucas... by RockMSockM	Oct 5th, 2008 02:30:51 AM
... we'd be without some of the most archetypal and entertaining films of our time, and 80% of the people visiting sites like this wouldn't even BE on sites like these. I know the guy went overboard on the prequels, and probably shouldn't have directed himself, but come on. Do we really have to say "everything he touches turns to shit?" Jeez, people.
PS by RockMSockM	Oct 5th, 2008 02:32:12 AM
I know alot of the criticism is warranted, I'm just trying to balance out all the venomous hatred lol Yeah, I know... it's the unpopular stance. sigh
Well, for the last decade... by caruso_stalker217	Oct 5th, 2008 02:39:46 AM
...it's been true. Everything Lucas has touched has been shit. At the very least, crap.
Why not just come up with some new ideas? by successor	Oct 5th, 2008 03:05:34 AM
Where's the independent, low budget films that Lucas was supposed to direct? He has more money than any of us, yet he can't scrape up a few million dollars, get a good script, go out and film a movie in a few real locations with an HD camera and a small crew? Give me a break. Or why not do a complete 180 from Star Wars and the Indy films and do a realistic technothriller/science fiction film? Or if he has to do another serial type film, why not just invent a new character and a new franchise? There's a world of new ideas out there and he's still tied to Indy like it's the Wheel of Pain, going round and round and round.
Agent Johnson.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 5th, 2008 04:51:17 AM
Sorry dude, but if you really thought the ship taking off at the end was cool, there's no hope for you. I was in a packed theater, and, without a word of a lie, I heard several people groaning and muttering, and saw a few people look at each other as if to say, 'What the fuck have they done?' This wasn't rabid fanboys, it was your average Saturday night cross-demographic audience! Sorry, but this 'everyone's entitled to their opinion' shit can only go so far. The box office for Indiana Jones was good (as if there was ever a chance of it being bad) because of the nostalgia factor. Everyone wanted to see a new Indiana Jones film in the theater, so they went. But, outside of these talkbacks, I haven't spoken to one person who thought it was anything other than complete crap. I also agree with Mr NiceGaius on Transformers being more entertaining. The reasons? I went into that film with no expectations at all. If any, I was expecting it to be terrible. But it was fun, entertaining, decently acted, had superb effects, great action, and Megan Fox. No masterpiece, and the plot was paper-thin, but it fucking did what it said on the label. I didn't come out of that film shaking my head in disbelief. Incredible Hulk was better than Crystal Skull too. In fact so was pretty much everything released this year except Love Guru.
This is extremely painful to say... by caruso_stalker217	Oct 5th, 2008 04:54:55 AM
...but I got more entertainment value out of fucking NATIONAL TREASURE 2 than I did from KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL.
Nicholas Cage's wig is more entertaining! by travis-dane	Oct 5th, 2008 05:43:20 AM
Cage's wig should co-star in INDY 5.
What do you mean CO-star? by caruso_stalker217	Oct 5th, 2008 05:45:02 AM
Cage's wig gets top billing or this movie will never happen.
CGI SHOULD BE BANNED by Virdon	Oct 5th, 2008 05:56:27 AM
ALL STUNTS SHOULD BE LIVE BY REAL STUNTMEN AND ALL SPECIAL EFFECTS SHOULD BE MODEL BASED LIKE THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS. CGI IS NERD/GEEK CHEATING AND IT RUINS WHAT COULD BE GOOD MOVIES LIKE THE HULK AND VAN HELSIING AND LEAGUE OF ORDINARY GENTLEMEN, LAST STAR WARS TRILOGY & LAST INDI MOVIE.
Atlantis should be the subject of the next film by RedFiveStandingBy	Oct 5th, 2008 06:05:23 AM
'nuf said.
There were no booby traps in CRYSTAL SKULL by Spacesheik	Oct 5th, 2008 06:28:11 AM
There are ingredients to a decent Indy movie that are a must and unfortunately they were lacking in CRYSTAL SKULL: 1. Lack of booby traps (this is heresy is you think about it) 2. Indy never used a gun 3. Rarely used the whip 4. Had only one lame fight scene with the big Russian 4. John Williams score was non existent 5. There was a complete lack of geography, of location shooting. I can forgive three waterfalls, nuke the fridge, and even the Shia Tarzan - but to remove all the good stuff about the Indy flicks (mentioned above) is really very disturbing. Even MUMMY III had an excellent prologue with boogy traps, grisly deaths and action.
VIRDON by Samson_K	Oct 5th, 2008 07:28:31 AM
The movies you mentioned? To be honest CGI was the least of all of those movies problems! None of those would have been good even with physical effects and stunts.
"Pissed off Indy in the mine" scene OWNS by Nasty In The Pasty	Oct 5th, 2008 08:58:25 AM
My favorite Indy/Ford moment in the entire series. "Right...ALL of us!"
Heya, DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET... by alanmoore	Oct 5th, 2008 09:15:05 AM
You're so fucking full of shit. There is such a thing as time, we just don't understand it's nature. Ask any quantum physicist or string theorist. The whole "there's no such thing as time" bullshit is a misinterpretation of what is called "time invariance," a feature of most quantum mechanical equations, but not all of them. Furthermore, "soundwaves" are not floating out there in time "lost" somewhere in these mythical "layers" of yours. No, they're mechanical waves that (1) cannot travel in a vacuum, and that (2) eventually collapse, cancel, and fade away. And for a third, electromagnetic energy and photon emission is indeed time variant -- meaning that radiation dissipation only works one way through time. Quantum wavefunctions don't and can't "uncollapse," you moron. Things like this "Tesla time listening machine" are fine for science-fiction, and fine for fantasy. But they crumble under the skepticism of the real world, and I'm pretty sure that they'd crumble under the skepticism of movie-goers. Suspension of disbelief only stretches so far, and I'm afraid that "Indiana Jones and the Time Listening Device" would produce more guffaws of laughter than it would any sort of "oooh" or "ahhhh."
KOTCS DVD ads by Thunderbolt Ross	Oct 5th, 2008 09:26:34 AM
When I see them on TV, it kind of makes me want to see the movie again. I enjoyed it, and think in general it was fine. The problems I had with it were more superficial: the look of it and the CGI. Funny that those were two things Lucas and Spielberg assured everyone about - that it would look like the others and that CGI would be minimally used. The vine-swinging scene didn't help.
Orionsangels by Caerdwyn	Oct 5th, 2008 10:11:12 AM
The Indy movies were not "popcorn movies." A popcorn movie is National Treasure, or Transformers. The Indy movies had some fun, but largely had weight to them as well, with more pragmatic moments than mystical ones. Big sets. Real effects. Clever dialog. Great characters, actors. Involving stories. No CGI gophers or people swinging on snakes.
Money money money. by Knuckleduster	Oct 5th, 2008 10:15:16 AM
Lucas isn't a filmmaker anymore (if ever he was one). It's all business with him. You'd think that a guy with that much money would spend his time on passion projects, but he doesn't. He's gone mad with greed, I say! Mad!
You're absolutely right about Ford Quint... by Capt. Murphy	Oct 5th, 2008 11:10:08 AM
It wasn't a problem with Harrison Ford that made Crystal Skull a failure, it was problems with the script and Lucas' need to CGI every damn thing he touches. One of Lucas' director buddies, maybe Spielberg, needs to say, "Hey George, you can't write worth a shit anymore, let me do this for you." Of course, if you told God he was slipping, he would just smite you, I kind of put George Lucas in that camp.
You people see what you want to see by Arteska	Oct 5th, 2008 11:16:52 AM
People keep complaining about prairie dogs and 'tarzan' vines like they were giant subplots that comprised the construction of the movie. You dismiss the film as having no weight when it introduced that Indiana Jones has a son, that Henry and Marcus have passed, that Indy and Marion decide to get married, etc.. Never mind the stuff about red scare politics and and the atomic era barely registering with people that have no conception it nor the pulp material that inspired the very idea of Indiana Jones in the first place. It's perfectly fine if you don't like the movie as a whole or were ultimately dissatisfied with it but stop using very minor and isolated cutaways and jokey, comedic asides (also in the previous installments) as a basis for your complaints. You look foolish for doing so.
Indiana Jones and the Four Hour Erection by Alkeoholic77	Oct 5th, 2008 11:18:58 AM
He should probably see a doctor about that... Viva Viagara!
Fucking shit, Capt. Murphy, et all by I Dunno	Oct 5th, 2008 11:22:44 AM
SPIELBERG DIRECTED THE FUCKING MOVIE! He's responsible for the editing, the camera work, the performances and everything you see and hear, even yes, the CGI. Lucas wrote the story, later rewritten by two other screenwriters. How many fucking times does this need to be pointed out? Try to apply like one percent of all of you people's pathological hatred of Lucas towards who is really responsible for whatever it is about the film you're whining about.
My Own Version of Indy 4 by jones1899	Oct 5th, 2008 11:24:15 AM
Final Cut and my own refusal to accept a shitty Indy 4 will combine to make a version of KOTCS that at least deserves to stand beside the others, though I can't say it will be anything better than the worst of the series. I have three pages of notes and a bottle of Jack. Just waiting on the 14th. SO if anyone wants a copy, ....
I Dunno... by jones1899	Oct 5th, 2008 11:26:25 AM
Actually, it's widely known that Lucas had five key things he wanted to see in Indy 4. It just so happens that these five things are also the five worst things about the film. Does this mean Lucas should take sole blame? Nope. Not at all. I expected more from the Berg.
I never thought I would read this... by dirty john	Oct 5th, 2008 11:40:22 AM
...and not give one little fuck. george lucas will burn in movie hell for what he's done.
They need to do something like Casino Royale by superunknown85	Oct 5th, 2008 11:50:31 AM
Cut out the "fat" of the series (namely CGI, overblown and unrealistic action sequences, and slapstick humor) and return it to its roots as a traditional action-adventure.
You dumb fucks still bitching about gophers amuse me by slone13	Oct 5th, 2008 11:58:07 AM
Poor idiots. In the immortal words of William Shatner, "Get a life."
superunknown85 by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 5th, 2008 12:14:39 PM
Casino Royale is hardly a classic. It fell apart after the Bond torture scene. 5 minutes later it was like a Roger Moore Bond film, that scene at the villa with the comedy bank guy.
No no no no no no!!! by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Oct 5th, 2008 12:56:42 PM
Fuck this!! Must Lucas kill every single one of his franchises to the point you don't care anymore. He's already destroyed Star Wars. KOTCS was total shit. Stop Lucas and Spielberg just stop.
Best idea for Indy 5 by jones1899	Oct 5th, 2008 01:40:41 PM
Have Indy racing the Soviets AND HIS OWN SON to obtain the means of time travel. It would be a three way race! Therefore you can have these other characters, but they wouldn't all be adventuring together.
stop lucas bashing you idiots by Mr Gorilla	Oct 5th, 2008 02:34:16 PM
if I remember the opening credits, KOTCS was directed by a Mister S Spielberg. so if you want to whine on about the CGI etc, take him to task too. BTW, KOTCS was easily better than the rather unpleasant Temple of Doom. EASILY I SAY. It was fun. If you want dark dark dark, rent out some Robert Bresson, and see me in the morning.
Jones, I like the idea of Indy competing with his son. by rbatty024	Oct 5th, 2008 02:41:25 PM
There was already a competitive relationship between the two in Crystal Skull, so it makes sense. It also changes the father-son relationship so that it's not just a replay of Crusade. I actually think the relationship between Indy and Mutt was one of the best parts of the movie. They had the good sense to have Indy constantly one upping Mutt, instead of making the "old man" the butt of all the jokes. Before Indy 4 I had never seen Shia in anything but I thought he did a good job.
More Indy! 'Skull' was friggin awesome! by THT3000	Oct 5th, 2008 02:48:04 PM

RAIDERS OF THE LOST AARP by polyh3dron	Oct 5th, 2008 03:06:11 PM

Indiana Jones: I'm older than McCain by Banditmania	Oct 5th, 2008 03:52:53 PM

no more... by redkamel	Oct 5th, 2008 03:59:04 PM
no more, Steven and George, I beg of you...let Indy rest on a shelf, a hero with a crystal skull black eye..don't drag him through the dirt of endless sequels..no "Indiana Jones the Animated Series."..
The Cystal Skull wasn't that bad. by Evangelion217	Oct 5th, 2008 04:47:36 PM
It was just very forgettable, and bland. But in the end, it was pretty fun, and Shia stole the entire film. My rating is a 6/10. I find it very interesting how such a young stud like Christopher Nolan is able to make such an exciting masterpiece(The Dark Knight), that nearly surpasses all of the works by Lucas, Spielberg, and Camerone. While older filmmakers like Spielberg, and Lucas are starting to show their age. Haha!
Indy 5 was great by FamousEccles	Oct 5th, 2008 05:10:29 PM
now fuck off
Hannibal5050 by d_fens1969	Oct 5th, 2008 05:16:16 PM
The difference here between Indy surviving the fridge scene and the scene in LC with the thousand-year-old knight is suspension of disbelief. The idea that a knight from the crusades could survive to the present day in order to carry out one last, noble "crusade" was cool, and invited us to suspend what would otherwise be our disbelief. The idea that Indy could survive a nuclear blast in a 1950s model neighborhood isnt exactly cool. As a cinematic idea, its just kind of there. Therefore, our disbelief is not invited. And for the record, I kinda liked Crystal Skull. I'm a sucker for almost anything Indy, I guess.
Spielberg is still a great filmmaker, he's just better at other by Orbots Commander	Oct 5th, 2008 05:29:17 PM
He started off his career making escapist thrillers and adventure movies. Spielberg in 2008 is better at directing less popcorn-y dramatic fare, which is why I'm looking forward to his Lincoln movie. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that it'll be a masterpiece.
Arteska.... by DiamondJoe	Oct 5th, 2008 06:05:39 PM
Arteska: "You dismiss the film as having no weight when it introduced that Indiana Jones has a son, that Henry and Marcus have passed, that Indy and Marion decide to get married, etc..". Everyone else with half a brain: "Fetch me a gun and bring forth the barrel with the fish in it". Are you, in all seriousness, mentally damaged? Are you actually trying to argue that because the film gave Indy a son, dealt with the loss of 2 key actors by killing them and having a marriage at the end, gave the film weight? I'll answer for you lest your head explode with the effort: It. Did Not. Simply throwing in daytime soap-opera conventions will not rescue a script so poor it should be begging on the streets. Nor will it add any emotional heft to a creatively bankrupt piece of inexcusable shit. They serve as distractions, futile attempts to divert the audience's attention from the fact that what they're watching is a brutal arse-raping of a beloved franchise. Which, in your case, clearly worked.
Kill off MUTTwink and make Indy 5 revenge flick by shogunshin	Oct 5th, 2008 06:25:59 PM
they should kill off Mutt and Marion in the first act, then have Indy go on a REVENGE mission to whack the fiends. this way, they kill off the WORST character ever in a lucas film, (worse than jarjar even!) AND then we see Indy kick some serious ass to avenge the death of his wife and bastard kin.
Have Indiana Jones get killd off in the opening by DOCTORDETRO1T	Oct 5th, 2008 06:42:44 PM
but make it unclear to the audience and then have indiana realize he's a ghost at the end.
Everyone has an idea what an Indy movie should be by Orionsangels	Oct 5th, 2008 06:46:01 PM
I hate that pov. because it just means you'll never be satisfied. you have an idea in your head that it should be this way. when it's not. you say this is the worst movie ever! the franchise is over. I wouldn't say I loved KOTCS. But it was fun to see Indy again and in the 50's. I look at it this way, better than no new Indy movie. I liked all the Indy movies and I welcome this new one into my collection.
DOCTORDETRO1T's idea is even better!!! by shogunshin	Oct 5th, 2008 06:52:32 PM
you don't need indy to be anything but a ghost under the new direction spielberg and lucas have gone in the past few years. bravo for a great idea. but i hate mutt williams so much, i hope they kill him off quickly. OFFSCREEN quickly, like in Aliens 3. you just have indy wake up, realize mutt and marion were killed, and he goes on revenge. if it is offscreen, we will not have to suffer thru laboof anymore. damn, laboof is such a douchebag. please laboof, do us all a favor, and run away from the indy franchise.
mutt is dead weight in part 5 by DOCTORDETRO1T	Oct 5th, 2008 07:02:31 PM
a good way to not include mutt is to have the story start in some foreighn country and jump right into the adventure like TOD. mutt and marion is dead weight holding back the potential of an original new story. having mutt along again almost writes itself and i don't like that, and i'd hate having to watch him involved with some gay love interest.
Return of the Jedi by enderandrew	Oct 5th, 2008 07:57:24 PM
In many ways that film was hated when it came out, because it had Ewoks and Vader appeared weak, etc. Years later, people love the movie. Nostalgia makes us look fondly on some things that maybe aren't so great. There were problems with Temple of Doom. There were problems with Last Crusade. Kingdom may have been the worst of the bunch because it lacked any real ending (it stole the ending from Total Recall as they escape the alien device, and climb on a cliff to overlook the new landscape) but it certainly had some fun moments along the way. I enjoyed most of the ride. If Indy saved the day, and there was some semblance of an ending, I'd call it a pretty enjoyable film all around. If they do a 5, I hope they remember to let Indy save the day.
uberdipshit by t40stunt	Oct 5th, 2008 08:03:58 PM
i may be a dumbass but i still think your a pussy ....just saying .glad i could be a hero to you too .
Lucas was my childhood idol by Charlie_Allnut	Oct 5th, 2008 08:31:49 PM
But now I wish he would just stop already. Just hire someone really talented to write the damn thing and put a restraining order on George.
DiamondJoe by Arteska	Oct 5th, 2008 08:55:09 PM
You might want to check the title of the movie again.... It's Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If you are looking for gravitas out of something with that preposterous of a title you are the one that needs the brain exam. Clue in.
I got it! Embrace the Fridge! by slugbat	Oct 5th, 2008 08:58:55 PM
Indy should realize the power of the Fridge in the 5th one. He should have a Q-like sidekick (Fuck, he's got every other kinda sidekick) who makes him all sorts of weapons and gadgets out of Fridges, like a FridgeCannon and a Fridgeplane (indestructible, of course), and a Fridgeplane equipped with FridgeCannons. Sponsored by Fridgidaire!
Fuck you Harrison. You're dead to me. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Oct 5th, 2008 09:01:41 PM

KOTCS was just terrible. by BigTuna	Oct 5th, 2008 09:15:59 PM
I'm still shocked Harry, moriarty and company liked it so much. They're fooling themselves.
Indy's new love interest in part 5 needs to be "Blue Iris" by BigTuna	Oct 5th, 2008 09:17:47 PM

Ah, it wasn't terrible ... by Willips Brighton	Oct 5th, 2008 10:28:20 PM
...certainly nowhere near the monstrosity of The Prequels. The Close Encounters ending was a bit much and there was some cringeworthy dialogue, but it was passable.
Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Indy Magic by Chishu_Ryu	Oct 5th, 2008 11:06:00 PM
If adventure has a name, Lucas & co. better figure it out soon!
Indy 5 was great in a way. by slugbat	Oct 5th, 2008 11:14:19 PM
It is the perfect barometer of someone's worth. If you like Indy 5, you are worthless.
Uh, got ahead of myself there by slugbat	Oct 5th, 2008 11:14:46 PM
I meant Indy 4. Worthless.
by ReEkOs_RoUgHnEcKs	Oct 6th, 2008 12:34:18 AM
-- ---- OO
It's not the years hunny..... by damn_dirty_ape	Oct 6th, 2008 01:49:09 AM
I don't think Harrison Ford is too old for another Indy flick - indeed he was the one good thing about the otherwise risible KOTCS. As a long-term Indy fan I actually dread another one - Lucas just can't come up with decent new ideas, Spielberg has just lost his skill as an action director and if David Koepp writes the screenplay it will be just awful like everything that hack touches. Please guys, just leave it alone!
Evangelion217 by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 6th, 2008 02:38:17 AM
"The Dark Knight - an exciting masterpiece that nearly surpasses all of the works by Lucas, Spielberg, and Cameron". This might be the most ridiculous thing i've ever read on the talkbacks. The Dark Knight is a good (but flawed) summer movie. Not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, and nowhere near as good as Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, Terminator 2.
Congratulations to David Koepp by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 6th, 2008 02:52:10 AM
on penning a worse Indy screenplay than Jeffrey Boam. Didn't think it was possible.
Evangelion217 by Volllllume3	Oct 6th, 2008 02:54:13 AM
The Dark Knight is not a masterpiece, jesus fucking christ. You fanboys are taking that movie waaaaaaaaaaay to far.
Arteska.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 03:12:28 AM
...Who said anything about 'gravitas'? I didn't go into the film expecting fucking 'gravitas'. It was an Indiana Jones film, directed by Steven Spielberg, so I expected to see those elements which made the other films great: Style, wit, action, fun. Crystal Skull contained none of those elements, and where it attempted to mount them, failed spectacularly. Don't assign a position to me I don't hold then knock it down as if you've made a valid point - that's what's called a 'straw man' argument (look it up). Also, to those who say that the other Indy movies weren't perfect: Absolutely true (although I think Raiders comes pretty damn close). But none of those films had anything like the colossal, fatal and inexcusable flaws that Crystal Skull has.
kwisatzhaderach.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 03:19:51 AM
...The Dark Knight is certainly a better movie than The Abyss, which I watched again recently and was surprised to discover what a shite film it is. It's laughable and doesn't hold a candle to pretty much any other movie in Cameron's canon (Titanic excepted, of course). The other films you mention - fair enough. Although I think Close Encounters hasn't aged well.
Fuck you, DiamondJoe! by caruso_stalker217	Oct 6th, 2008 04:08:12 AM
THE ABYSS rocks the shit.
The Abyss..of Cameron's career by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 04:57:35 AM
Actually, I'll qualify this one. I think the original version works a hell of alot better than the Director's Cut. Why? Because it retains some mystery and a sense of grandeur during the climax. In the director's cut it just becomes a rip-off of 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' and can't pull it off - its so po-faced! The aliens threaten humanity with tidal waves because, you know, we're warlike, destined to destroy ourselves unless we clean up our act etc. Hey, everyone, James Cameron's had this revolutionary idea in his movie! We should not fight anymore, blah blah blah. In addition, the music added for the director's cut sounds like it was done on a $20 casio keyboard, the romantic sub-plot between Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth thingy is awful, and its too fucking long. Credit where its due: Ed Harris and Michael Biehn are both great.
The Abyss..of Cameron's career by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 04:57:36 AM
Actually, I'll qualify this one. I think the original version works a hell of alot better than the Director's Cut. Why? Because it retains some mystery and a sense of grandeur during the climax. In the director's cut it just becomes a rip-off of 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' and can't pull it off - its so po-faced! The aliens threaten humanity with tidal waves because, you know, we're warlike, destined to destroy ourselves unless we clean up our act etc. Hey, everyone, James Cameron's had this revolutionary idea in his movie! We should not fight anymore, blah blah blah. In addition, the music added for the director's cut sounds like it was done on a $20 casio keyboard, the romantic sub-plot between Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth thingy is awful, and its too fucking long. Credit where its due: Ed Harris and Michael Biehn are both great.
I think it WAS a $20 Casio... by caruso_stalker217	Oct 6th, 2008 05:24:52 AM
...but I think you're wrong about the magic tidal waves. First, the effects are pretty fuckin' cool. Secondly, in the theatrical version they still include the dialogue where Maid Marion reads what Ed Harris is typing and asks if they got "the message" and Kat says "That's a big 10-4!" And the captain on the surface turns to the navy dude and says, "Looks like you boys are out of a job." I mean what the fuck is that? How do you leave that shit in there, completely out of context and with no explanation? It doesn't make any goddamn sense. When I finally saw the extended cut as a youth I was like "Holy shit! It's all so clear now!" So, yeah, the whole "people are self-destructive and stuff but love will redeem us" theme of the movie and shit isn't exactly new. Shit, it wasn't even vaguely new when the movie came out twenty years ago. Also it's what people probably point to when they call the movie corny or whatever, but I think it works within the parameters of the, ah, of the fucking movie, I guess. The romantic shit between Ed Harris and Marion was already in the theatrical cut, by the way. It's the heart of the picture. And Michael Biehn shoulda gotten that fuckin' best supporting nomination. Probably the best performance of his career.
Maybe there's some different versions of the original cut.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 05:39:05 AM
...because the one I saw just had the ship rising up at the end while the guys on the boat looked shit scared, then Ed Harris walks out. I DEFINITELY don't remember anyone saying, "Looks like you boys are out of a job" until I saw the directors cut. I know the romantic stuff was already in the film but its still crap. And yes, the effects are pretty cool throughout, but that don't make a film. And yeah, I think Biehn should've gotten a nod, I just think its a shame it wasn't a better film.
Maybe there's some different versions of the original cut.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 05:39:06 AM
...because the one I saw just had the ship rising up at the end while the guys on the boat looked shit scared, then Ed Harris walks out. I DEFINITELY don't remember anyone saying, "Looks like you boys are out of a job" until I saw the directors cut. I know the romantic stuff was already in the film but its still crap. And yes, the effects are pretty cool throughout, but that don't make a film. And yeah, I think Biehn should've gotten a nod, I just think its a shame it wasn't a better film.
Damn by caruso_stalker217	Oct 6th, 2008 06:22:50 AM
I'm looking up the added scenes on IMDb and it looks like those lines WEREN'T in the theatrical version. Then what the fuck was a watching all those years!?
Caruso by slugbat	Oct 6th, 2008 06:57:38 AM
It's called drugs yo. What a wonderful thing!
I lost all hope by ScaryJim	Oct 6th, 2008 07:06:09 AM
When I saw that damned CGI gopher. It's like that scene in the zoo at the beggining of Jacksons King Kong. Lion- real, zebra - real etc... Rhino CGI ??? I can't seperate the illogical actions from the film! Imagine the snake pit in Raiders with CGI snakes... Imagine the cute date stealing monkey as CGI. It takes you out of reality and into who framed Roger Fucking Rabbit.
Could be a collector's item dude.. by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 07:07:18 AM
...'The Abyss: Special Home Movie Mash-up'
Naw, I think I just got fucked up in my head by caruso_stalker217	Oct 6th, 2008 07:22:37 AM
Same thing happened when I watched CYBORG 2 for the first time since I was a kid. I thought I was watching a whole nutha version, cuz I remembered shit way different. And I thought it possibly could've been a different version, cuz it was an old screener.
When I first saw BTTF by slugbat	Oct 6th, 2008 07:26:50 AM
I thought Marty went to Mars or something. I was 6 years old. Moral of the story: kids are stupid.
Indiana Jones... by Kid Z	Oct 6th, 2008 08:30:19 AM
...and the Prescription of Cialis.
Yes, a second Indy trilogy... by Drath	Oct 6th, 2008 09:10:21 AM
would be nice, though I still think Lucas has lost his touch and that future Indy movies will fail if they do not have more of Spielberg's hand print and stronger scripts. I disagree about Indy's involvement in that he saved John Hurt--who's name I suddenly cannot remember though I do think it was said a lot in the film. Chuck? No, something simple like that though. I'd also be happy for more Indy and Marion action as they had WAAAAAAY too little screen time together. I wouldn't even mind Mutt coming back for more, but I know he'd be a continuing source of hate from fans. Indy and son wouldn't be THAT bad a concept for a second trilogy though, and I'd appreciate exploring that part of Indy. Thought that said, I REALLY want the Indy movies we never got about his adventures in World War II. And I personally think they should get the kid from Kyle XY to play young Indy in a continuation of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. I'd rather get that than 4-kids cartoon set in the Prequel-verse of Star Wars. Now a Star Wars cartoon about Luke and Han and Leia post-Return of the Jedi---THAT could be good, especially if they use the Timothy Zahn trilogy as a jumping off point but ignore most of the rest of the Expanded Universe (it'll never happen, but I did think Zahn's trilogy had good elements, particularly if they replace C'Boath with the original Obi Wan clone idea or even a Count Dooku clone). Oh for a second there I felt like the same nerd I was in the 90s.
The complaint was... by Arteska	Oct 6th, 2008 09:21:03 AM
...that the movie had no 'weight.' I merely stated that the movie had as much as any other entry in the series, which many arguments still carrying on months after its release appear to willfully deny. From my point of view, people's expectations are completely out of alignment with intent and those established by previous example. Your opinions are not fact.
Arteska, what the fuck are you talking about? by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 10:23:52 AM
'Weight'? What the fuck does that actually mean? I've illustrated very clearly what was wrong with the film (plot, dialogue, acting, mcguffin, CG) You've been drivelling on about nebulous bollocks like 'gravitas' and 'weight'. In an INDIANA JONES FILM? No - style, wit, action, fun. That's what was needed and that's what it definitively did not have.
You should write your posts on stone tablets by Arteska	Oct 6th, 2008 11:07:11 AM
for all the authority you think they have. I was merely responding to posts above mine (not solely yours) but no matter. But don't let me keep you from continue to troll a thread about a movie you plainly didn't enjoy a full 4+ months after the fact.
Sorry, must have missed my cue to say 'ouch' by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 11:21:12 AM
Whoever you were responding to, you're talking bollocks. A movie I 'plainly didn't enjoy'? Christ, how did you work that out? And to troll is to express a contrary, outrageous opinion for the hell of it just to provoke reactions. Which isn't what I'm doing. This, unless my eyes deceive me, is a thread concerning new Indiana Jones product. Which makes it a somewhat suitable - nay, ideal - place to discuss why a new film would be a shit idea based on how insultingly crap the last one was.
Sadly yes by Abominable Snowcone	Oct 6th, 2008 11:40:48 AM
KOTCS is mostly forgetful. A couple good visuals here and there, an okay but half-hearted effort to bring indy into the 50s, but WAY too many forced chuckles with gophers, quicksand capers, and THEN you add in the over-the-top impossible stunts like the nuclear fridge. You really lost the sense that this guy (Indy) was a tribute to the heros of 1930s action serials. I guess what I'm saying is, too much self-parody? Oh, and the macguffin skulls sucked. No aliens!
MrD by Abominable Snowcone	Oct 6th, 2008 11:42:42 AM
everything you said is correct. You captured the most important things that were flawed about the movie, as well as my thought when I first saw it.
KOTCS really needed by Klytus_I.m_Bored	Oct 6th, 2008 12:16:30 PM
some kind of "saddling up for one last ride" feeling. I mean, it's been two decades since we saw Indy - it seems like a no-brainer that they would use the old "coming out of retirement" trope, which I think could have really worked. Like he found out that Marion was being held by the Soviets so he decided to shake the cobwebs out of the old hat and jacket, etc, and get back to action. How cool would that moment have been when we see him put the hat back on, say, 20 minutes into the film? I think the opening act could have been following Indy's protege (maybe he dressed like him, maybe he was his son). Perhaps it could have been shot so that we THINK it's Indy for a few minutes and the reveal is that it's someone else. Have him go after the prize and get killed, which would then encourage old Indy to come out of retirement. That would have been great, even if the story was as lackluster as KOTCS' was. Instead, it just seems like Indy's been doing this for decades (which seems kind of loser-y to me, like the guy who never left his hometown and still buys beer for high school kids even though he's in his 30s). It was such an anticlimax to see Indy in the Indy-suit in this film. It could have been really stirring to build up to him coming out of retirement, then really have him face his age and mortality (kind of a Wrath of Khan kind of thing). Maybe he uses his wits more than his fists or something like that. Instead we got an anti-climactic indestructible hero and this was just one in a long string of his adventures. It reminded me of how lame Star Trek Generations was - it was like an episode of the series when it should have been so much more since they were on the big screen. KOTCS seemed like a bland episode of a TV show. One where Indy mostly stands around.
Indiana Jones and the Douchebags Who Hate Lucas For No Reason by Coughlins Laws	Oct 6th, 2008 01:17:32 PM

It was over for me..... by kilerb	Oct 6th, 2008 01:22:25 PM
when miriam was driving the jeep towards the cliff and they told her know and she said "trust me!" as if she'd been to this country before, much less this particular edge, and went off the cliff, landed on the branch that nicely dropped them into the water and the branch swung back and hit the natives. I mean, cartoons aren't that ridiculous. I almost stood up on opening day, yelled "Are you fucking kidding me?!?" and walked out. I couldn't though, I had to see if something cool was going to happen at the end, and obviously I should have done the outburst instead.
I really don't get it. You 30 or 40 guys who hate Lucas by Coughlins Laws	Oct 6th, 2008 01:27:22 PM
realize that you're in the vast minority, right? You realize that a lot of people love his movies, right? The prequels and this last Indy movie all made over $300 million Domestically and made billions worldwide. He's responsible for 6 of the Top 25 movies of all time, half of which are cartoon kids movies. He wouldn't have been able to do all this unless millions of people saw his movies multiple times. Where do you get off insulting people who like his movies? Why does every movie have to be perfect in every way for you hyper-perfectionists? It really doesn't make sense. I don't feel I have to defend a movie for liking it but every time I hear people explain why they hate the prequels or this latest Indy, I have to point out that they are wearing Rose-Colored glasses remembering the previous movies, because if they had seen them as adults, they'd realize they weren't perfect either...
The funniest thing is how you talk like Star Wars or Indy by Coughlins Laws	Oct 6th, 2008 01:38:04 PM
is your property not to be fucked with. He can make any movies he wants. He can tell any story he wants. I absolutely loved The Matrix. I thought it was the best and most original action movie in years. However, the sequels totally undid what happened at the end of the first one and I walked out of the theatre during the last one when I realized that the first movie and second movie were all expostion to lead to an underwhelming, anticlimactic action sequence. It's like they devolved to just an action movie. Morpheus went from a soothsayer in the first to just another guy no one took seriously outside his ship. Neo went from a guy whowas so pwerful all he had to do was fly into you and destroy you. In the second and third one, why would he have to fight anyone ever again? It didn't make sense. Either he was all powerful or he wasn't. They made it look like he destroyed the whole Matrix at the end of the first one. But, I didn't let the fact I didn't like the second one and hated the third one affect how much I liked the first one. I don't personally insult the Wachowski Bros because I know they are still decent storytellers, I just don't like all their stories. You guys really should wonder why you irrationally hate a man because you don't like his movies, of all things...
Caruso by half vader	Oct 6th, 2008 01:56:11 PM
Not the theatrical cut. That was stunted shite.
indy 4 by Magnethead	Oct 6th, 2008 02:04:15 PM
I liked it. even with its flaws.
Wow... by kilerb	Oct 6th, 2008 02:42:00 PM
I find it hard to believe anyone would like the last Indiana Jones. Even if the first 3 weren't made, I still would've thought it was so cliche, predictable, poorly written, and acted. It sucked, and I love episodes 1, 2, and 3 so I'm not just a Lucas hater like these other people here. I like most of his stuff. Crystal Skull was SO BAD though.
Whoa, hold on... by DiamondJoe	Oct 6th, 2008 03:32:50 PM
..I'll just affirm my position, just to be sure. I'm not a Lucas hater. I, like everyone, grew up with Star Wars and Indy, for which I will pay my humble respects to the man when he shuffles from this mortal coil. But I will say this: He has great ideas. Which, when he has too much say in the matter, he royally fucks up. You do know that when he filmed the first Star Wars, his cut was deemed a catastrophe? It was an incoherent mess, by all accounts, which was saved by a terrific editing job and truly revolutionary effects. Empire? Jedi? Films he didn't direct which were, in my opinion, superior (yes, Jedi too, despite the Ewoks - a Lucas invention). Indiana Jones - great concept, great story, directed and written by other people. He then directed Howard the Duck. Then Phantom Menace and those other 2 wet celluloid farts with the Star Wars brand. Then, Spielberg and Ford themselves tell us, they could have made a half-decent Indy film years ago, but George didn't like any of the other scripts. So he effectively grounded the franchise so he could insist on crystal skulls, area 51 and aliens. Which is how he wreaked such traumatic havoc this year. That's my opinion of Lucas: A man with great initial ideas who has no clue how to realise them without great collaborators, and in fact will probably ruin them given half a chance. Can anyone, hand on heart, really say that anything he did to the remastered original trilogy actually improved it? Which, I have to say, is why I find it so upsetting that a film directed by Steven Spielberg could be so irredeemably awful.
Very Disappointed in Indy 4 by A_Corpse_001	Oct 6th, 2008 03:37:39 PM
The sad realization I've had is that the Indy ride at Disneyland is only about three minutes long, but I get more enjoyment out of those three minutes than I did out of watching this latest train wreck of a film.
It wasn't total shit, it had some good bits by FILMFUNK	Oct 6th, 2008 04:00:26 PM
like the motorbike chase through the college, the whip cracking store cupboard rocket sled escape, and... and... poop!
Should I stay away from Crystal Skull? by _Maltheus_	Oct 6th, 2008 04:10:27 PM
Now that it's on Bluray, I kind of wanted to give it a try. But every account I read makes me think I'd regret it. Is it even worth a rental?
Diamond Joe by Samson_K	Oct 6th, 2008 05:45:49 PM
I'm with you on most of what you say. I get fucked off by being labelled a hater just because I don't like anything he's done since 1997 - his fucking about with the original trilogy was a ridiculous move - no better illustrated that following the line 'Mos Eisley, a more wretched hive of scum and villainy . . .' with shots of comedy Droids, Jawas and alien dung - he made Mos Eisley look like fucking Toon Town. I think Return of the Jedi needed a stronger director than Richard Marquand though and think it's pretty weak - it does what he seems to do by ending a trilogy with a retread of the first film. I am beginning to think that too many people take any criticism of Lucas personally when I think it's becoming increasingly clear that he doesn't really have very much talent at anything other than producing and ideas. That doesn't make me, or you or anyone who has given thoughtful criticisms about his movies haters - it makes us people who formulate opinions that may go against big box office returns. It's so fucking black and white on here - I do not begrudge anyone liking Indy IV - I really don't. I can't necessarily fathom out why they do but what the Hell. I just don't see what this need to label anyone who goes against the Church of Lucasfilm as some kind of heretic! Though to be fair - he didn't direct Howard the Duck - that was William Hyuck but apart from that I'm with you all the way!!!
Maltheus by Samson_K	Oct 6th, 2008 05:47:26 PM
My advice would be to watch it - you might enjoy it - lots of people seemed to like it Rent it and watch it and then you can see for yourself. I hated the fucker but then again I love High Road to China so what the Hell do I know?
Bad lines... frog hit by lightning bad by Domi'sInnerChild	Oct 6th, 2008 06:09:10 PM
Seriously. I don't know if it was the editing or what, but it seemed like there were a ton of face close ups, pause, then horrible gag line deliveries. A groan-worth as many of the scenes were, I felt that was the most jarring problem with the movie.
kilerb, you stupid fuck by slone13	Oct 6th, 2008 08:45:18 PM
You DO realize that by referring to "Marion" as "Miriam" in an Indiana Jones talkback that you've effectively rendered anything you say from this point forward entirely null and void, correct? Schmuck.
Kilerb by Vern	Oct 6th, 2008 08:50:55 PM
If you watch it again (and I bet you will) pay attention to that chase scene. Marion actually scopes out the cliff earlier in the scene - she looks over, gets the idea and smiles. But of course you don't know what she's thinking until later. That's one thing I picked up on during the second viewing. I did not pick up on why everybody is so mad about this movie, so I will have to check more carefully on the DVD, using pause and zoom and what not I will search for clues.
Vern you just blew away all your credibility... by uberfreak	Oct 6th, 2008 10:47:49 PM
with that last post. KOTCS was a POS. People, what the fuck is your benchmark for a good movie? I'm amazed that we even get any good movies anymore when we support shit like this. Are your lives so pathetically lame that a shit sandwich tastes good to you? As my buddy t40stump would say: just saying.
I think most people missed it, Vern by caruso_stalker217	Oct 6th, 2008 11:57:19 PM
Because she smiled through the whole damn movie. I knew what she was up to, though. Me and Karen Allen have a fairly strong connection. We understand each other. Anyway, I'll end up buying this when it comes out.
Samson K... by DiamondJoe	Oct 7th, 2008 03:22:59 AM
Top-notch example there with the CG'd Mos Eisley. Toon town - love it. That entire 10-15 minute stretch of the film is nothing less than a vandalisation - comedy robots, CG froggy things, Greedo shooting first, a CG Jabba acting completely out of character and repeating a conversation word for word from 5 minutes earlier. Good work George! Disagree on Jedi though - although the Death Star 2 conceit is pretty weak I think the film has so much going for it. Jabba's palace, the speeder bike chase, the final confrontation, Ian McDiarmid, and the whole thing looks tremendous. Shit, I genuinely thought Lucas directed Howard the Duck. Hold my hands up to that one. Vern - quick, hurry. There goes your credibility. Get after it fast. You shouldn't need the pause button dude, just a vague ability to assess what a GOOD film is and what a BAD film is. I'd say the majority of people here seem to grasp this, but the AIC reviewers didn't, and as much as I will always love the site, they really took a fucking walk on this.
What worried me... by I AM ROCKO	Oct 7th, 2008 05:35:36 AM
...about the 4th Indy film was Harrison's age, the whole concept of introducing a son- those ended up being the stuff that worked! Funny how life can be sometimes, I enjoyed it but also felt that SS sort of lost his edge when it came to directing action. Can my fellow talkbackers believe that KOTCS was nomiated something like 480 in the 500 films of all time according to Empire Magazine? This is coming from someone who (kinda) enjoyed it and I am in disbelief...What with that and $700 million in the bank, I bet Luca$'s ego is nice and massaged...oh yes- Clone Wars movie- awful...
What Orcus misses about older movies by Orcus	Oct 7th, 2008 08:42:57 AM
Is the fact that there was no problem casting Middle age and older actors as leads. Not so nowadays where everyone either has to be under 30, look badass or pretty. Huzzah for Mr Ford if he can still do it
So did you, uberfreak! by half vader	Oct 7th, 2008 10:16:44 PM
It didn't occur to you at any time that Vern deadpans his arse off? Never through one of his many reviews? O.K. then... And same goes for DiamondJoe. Jesus, kids these days...

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