I can't wait for the 3 disc set with (hopefully) the super-extended Norton cut. The more the merrier says I, and perhaps that version will lesson some of the vitriol being released about the reboot.

2. Liv Tyler. Not for a second did I believe Betsy Ross even made it through Algebra 101. She was an actor wearing glasses.

3. Did they have to kill the dog?

4. Hulk's CGI completely sucked. He looked worse than a video game. How does Hulk downgrade visually with a bigger budget? Because Leterriere has a low bar for what looks good. Guys like Ang Lee and Steven Spielberg know where to set the CGI bar and expect their digital artists to meet it. They won't let shit get through.

5. The stupid "love scene" between Hulk and Betsy in the Smokies cave. It looked completely fake, was hokey, and embarrassing.

6. The silly Bruce-Betsy edit montage when they're thinking about each other in their separate beds. That sequence belongs in a Disney musical, not a supposedly "smart" super-hero film. Or maybe this was just a dumb movie.

7. The jokes. Lame. Not funny. Maybe it's funny to a Frenchman, but nobody laughed in my theater. Maybe Letterier needs to refer back to his Jerry Lewis collection.

8. The lame fight at the end. Lame lame lame. And what was with the whole Hulk chest beating thing as he stands over Abomy? Lame lame lame. And what happens with Abomy? Do the cops throw some cuffs on 'em and book 'em for disorderly conduct?

9. Why is Bruce still on the run at the end? Doesn't he earn some kind of reprieve from Ross being that he saved his ass? What about Betsy?

10. The Tony Stark cameo at the end. It distracted from the film and made one forget about the film they just watched, which is actually probably a good thing. For the sake of the film, I think trying to weave a Tony Stark cameo in the middle of the film and actually implementing it into the story would've been a superior choice, but again, Leterrier is not a very superior filmmaker.

Long live Ang Lee's HULK!

Not to mention the old chestnut about Jurassic park.

Does anyone actually remember Jurassic park? Hell yes great practical and digital stuff, but it used every 'cheat' in the book for the famous t-rex stuff. Night, check. Rain, check. Debris, cropping feet, you name it. I'm not trying to take away from it at all because Phil Tippett is a golden God. I'm just trying to stop you guys embarrassing yourselves by comparing that to something like the Kong dino stampede. The worst stuff in that sequence was actually practical interaction effects with the guy running Flintstones style with his feet sliding in midair, and lousy shadow matching on the live actors. It doesn't occur to you I dunno (oh the i-rony) that the difficulty of the dinos colliding and falling all over each other in that scene is like 10 levels of magnitude higher than ANY of the JP movies? I love well-done practical. And well-done digital. And a bit of objectivity in regard to both.

P.S. The spitter and newborn practical dinos in JP sucked arse. We can probably all agree on that. The newborn's scale makes it a logical candidate for digital, but as I said, interaction and lighting made that a big no-no back then.

Even the parts in the first 2 JP movies set in daylight where the dinos were colliding and falling all over each other, and actually appeared to have weight?

You can have your crappy Ang Lee melodrama. Frankly, I think everything Ang Lee ever made has sucked. He's one of those directors that is so full of himself that he can't see fit to make a movie that doesn't try to crawl up the viewer's ass to remind them how "deep" he is, when he's really not that deep. Mostly, his films are just Slllloooowwww.

Please, dude-- Stay away from comic book movies. You're obviously not the target audience. You apparently like stories that meander around for what seems like five hours without actually getting anywhere.

So everyone remembers that initial overwhelming shock (which was the first time I'd been so blown away since seeing the original Star Wars at the cinema aged 8), rather than the specifics of the execution - which is exactly what everyone criticises in new cg films. It's a bit like how we all (except the cooler-than-thou) love 78 Superman because we saw it as non-cynical kids when if it came out now people would scream blue murder about how it made a mockery of Luthor, the comic, the original art deco look, etc. etc. Our enduring memory of the first time we saw JP1 colours our criticism. I just think that because of all the clever cheats in addition to lack of objectivity (due to having no apples-to-apples comparison at the time), JP 1 is a very BAD (as in innappropriate) example to compare to.

Not to mention that a huge factor in believing the dinos' "weight distribution" was the fact that until then all we'd ever seen was dinos walking VERTICALLY. The bird exposition and tail-rudder stuff bought us completely before we'd even started. And the jeep sequence IS masterful. But like I said before it cheats every which way (not neccessarily a criticism). Just a great balance too metering the shots out between the cg and prac. The rack-focus was great sleight-of-hand too.

Btw all the secondary weight stuff like sagging skin and jiggling muscles was done BY HAND frame-by-frame as the procedural/physics controls weren't in place back then, beyond simplistic flocking stuff like the Gali herd.

I dunno - I should have been clearer. Even the interaction between a few dinos in the JP films is nowhere near as complex or widescale. A few biting, jumping on, or coliding while running is nothing like multiple animals tumbling arse-over-tit being squashed and carried along and bouncing about every which way. The amount and scale of it is miles beyond JP films. The big mistake was in not allowing 4 times as long on that sequence. Kong was a fucking nightmare for the animators in that regard. The Hulkdogs sequence is probably more analogous to JP.

As for ambition, I think a lot of people will MOAN about Benjamin Button in a couple of months' time. Because the CG in that is attempting what we can't possibly be convinced by, suspension of disbelief taken into account. A human face (which our brains know better than anything else even if we can't articulate why). Harder than absolutely anything else, ever. On top of which, the very concept of the backwards ageing continually says to our brain NOT REAL NOT REAL NOT REAL - because the situation CAN'T be real! Basically it's a no-win situation and can NEVER convince us, no matter how good the technique is.

As far as cg as the technique though, using that rather than different actors in traditional makeup (for the extreme scenes I mean - as they did use traditional for the stuff closer to Pitt's age) serves the allegorical/fable-like tone better. And is more in keeping with the pitch/mood of the story Fincher is going for. The metaphor of it being Pitt's character's journey is solid and therefore appropriate NOT to go the other actors/other techniques route.

Because this movie started one other cg tradition - changing the movie at the last second to include MORE CG. Originally, and right up to the last possible moment they were going to 'fight' the Raptors Ripley-style with earthmoving equipment. Which actually makes sense and WAS set up, with all the construction and so-on. With pretty much no time left, SS decided he had to have the Rex return - even though he hadn't built the scene that way and there was no time to shoot it. All it needed was a couple of shots showing not just Raptors outside but also separately the Rex, with rising music cues intimating they were closing in on our heroes rather than each other, and THEN you could have the "last second" scene work just fine. It's just galling because this is the same film where his telegraphing/setting up a scene reached perfection with the puddle vibration gag (or at least equalled the brilliance of the Jaws music cue). So again, don't misunderstand. I love JP1, if you read properly I'm NOT a hater, but I'm just not blinded like most here.

Hopefully soon, as there's no more Spielberg/Universal/Paramount HD roadblock.

Win-win!