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Burton's Sensibility
by Stranamore
Sep 29th, 2008
09:39:22 AM
I wonder if it is too dark for Alice.
Looks very cool.
by Jawa 007
Sep 29th, 2008
09:39:59 AM
Can't wait to see this.
let's just say third.
by broken ring
Sep 29th, 2008
09:40:46 AM
Definitely looks cool
by DuncanHines
Sep 29th, 2008
09:42:01 AM
Definitely.
Can't Burton do anything original?
by Ben Addiction
Sep 29th, 2008
09:43:11 AM
Aside from Edward Scissorhands, Burton hasn't made a wholly original live-action film in 20 years. Sure he has a neat visual style, but how about showing some real creativity?
Nice bandwith...
by StarskyandHushky
Sep 29th, 2008
09:44:06 AM
...site is already stupidly slow.
..and Burton got fat.
by StarskyandHushky
Sep 29th, 2008
09:45:50 AM
'I'll have the McGoth Cheesefest, please'
"WHAT ARE YOU?"-Frank Miller's New Wife
by DURANGO66
Sep 29th, 2008
09:49:35 AM
Burton's originality...
by Bootskin
Sep 29th, 2008
09:55:13 AM
...was last displayed on Big Fish, but unfortunately I'm the only one on this site who seems to like that flick. Everything else he's done since then has been a "I've always wanted to do this..." type of project.
Hmmmm.
by Alen Smithee
Sep 29th, 2008
10:00:55 AM
Alice looks cool.
Tim Burton raped my child
by Simpsonian
Sep 29th, 2008
10:01:11 AM
Instant crush on Burton's Alice
by DURANGO66
Sep 29th, 2008
10:06:26 AM
Even though i have always had a crush on Alice....
This is already shooting?!
by HoboCode
Sep 29th, 2008
10:12:23 AM
Damn. That was fast tracked.
I like it so far. :)
by Anna Valerious
Sep 29th, 2008
10:13:50 AM
I had seen some shots of Helena visiting the set with their infant daughter Nell, but nothing about what she's playing. I did hear that Matt Lucas (The fat dude from "Little Britain") is supposedly playing Tweedles Dee and Dum. Yeeessss.... Also, I'm wondering how the hell to make that skirt she's wearing. I can't find large enough ric-rac to do it. :( Maybe I can do it in time for my Halloween trip to WDW in '10...well, if Prince Dastan (Prince of Persia) or Princess Rapunzel isn't done already.
Big Fish
by StarskyandHushky
Sep 29th, 2008
10:14:09 AM
More love for Big Fish, right here. I'm a sucker for 'fantastic' movies.
This is the billionth adaptation
by performingmonkey
Sep 29th, 2008
10:14:57 AM
Just think of all the different versions of the Alice story that have been done. There's the US TV one with Tina Majorino (Veronica Mars, she was also the kid in Waterworld) as Alice, Whoopi Goldberg was the Cheshire Cat, Martin Short as the Mad Hatter, Miranda Richardson as the Queen of Hearts, Christopher Lloyd as the Rabbit. Though they were all crazy variations of the roles. Then there was a 1986 version done for British TV. A 1991 TV version I know nothing about. Various animated versions, most prominent, of course, being the Disney movie from 1951 (yes, it IS that old!). A version with Sammy Davis Jr as the Caterpillar. Probably the most faithful adaptation was the 1973 British movie starring Fiona Fullerton as Alice, Ralph Richardson as the Caterpillar, Michael Crawford as the Rabbit, the guy who played the Child Catcher as the Mad Hatter (crazy casting!). The same ground has been covered SO many times, Burton just seems to be cashing in by making something everyone knows, just like with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Sammy Davis as Caterpillar
by Staldo
Sep 29th, 2008
10:21:48 AM
I remember the version with Sammy Davis as the Caterpillar. Groovy shit. Burton's Alice looks kind of mature. Is it just the Dakota Fanning effect and she's actually 9? I have a thing for puffy British eyes.
Can't seem to weasel my way into the site...
by FlickaPoo
Sep 29th, 2008
10:34:52 AM
...and I'm all out of W-D40...
Rather an old Alice....
by Rameses
Sep 29th, 2008
10:35:20 AM
I don't think Charles Dodgson ,would have been interested!!So far it looks like an extension of Tim's Sweeney Todd/sleepy Hollow style.Which is always cool, but getting a bit tired.I've always liked Burtons work ,Scissor -hands, Batman Returns ,Sleepy Hollow ,Corpse bride and Todd are all great.But his Planet of the apes was a fooking disaster.Big fish was very interesting and a thoughtful mature movie by Burton's standards.Apart from one or two obvious designs it , doesn't seem like one of his films.As for Alice , it seems like such an obvious Burtonesque production that ,I feel I've already seen it! I suspect it will be good , but he's becoming the fairy tale version of Guy Richie , with some of these safe choices.All other versions of Alice suffer from a perculiar tweeness , and a slow pacing that kills , so lets hope he can improve on that.One interesting version no one has mentioned is the Jim Henson produced *Dream Child* The flashback/story recreations in that had a wonderful menace , lacking in all other versions.
performingmonkey, you forgot the best adaptation.
by MistaSparkle88
Sep 29th, 2008
10:35:54 AM
Jan Svankmajer's 1988 version. "What is," said the rabbit.
Correction: "Whatch it," said the rabbit.
by MistaSparkle88
Sep 29th, 2008
10:36:55 AM
Ugh.
"WATCH IT"
by MistaSparkle88
Sep 29th, 2008
10:37:51 AM
I'm a fucking idiot.
So where are her B&W stripey tights?
by half vader
Sep 29th, 2008
10:48:28 AM
Isn't that why Burton always wanted to make this? Stripes!!!
Rameses
by half vader
Sep 29th, 2008
10:49:54 AM
MistaSparkle is right-on. There's the menace you were talking about!
versions
by cyberskunk
Sep 29th, 2008
11:09:02 AM
My favorite Alice movie was one from the '40s or '30s, except I think it was more Through the Looking Glass. It had Clark Gable as the Mock Turtle (I think) and W.C. Fields as Humpty Dumpty.
Burton and Depp jumped the shark
by ArcadianDS
Sep 29th, 2008
11:12:25 AM
with Willy Wonka. That film was an absolute failure on all levels.
Hey wow
by KinjoAlcoholicNinja
Sep 29th, 2008
11:13:40 AM
A skiny pale woman with makeup that makes her eyes look sunken in. We've never seen that in a Burton film before. Oh Tim you innovator. What will you think of next?
Movies from the 30's and 20's give me the CREEPS
by NivekJ
Sep 29th, 2008
11:19:03 AM
It's like they shouldn't exist. Silent movies? Creepy. You ever seen the Wizard of Oz from, like, 1903? Fuckin' creepy.
Matt Lucas on Jonathan Ross...
by thefrood
Sep 29th, 2008
11:30:15 AM
...said he was appearing in Burton's new film as Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee. He also stated that it was "inspired" by Alice In Wonderland rather than an adaptation. Oh dear not again... just make the bloody story why don't you?
Burton should have gone with American McGee's Alice
by Pissed Off And Bitter
Sep 29th, 2008
12:34:59 PM
That would have been far more his style as opposed the hundred-thousandth telling of Alice in Wonderland. Hell, even Through the Looking Glass hasn't had as many tellings and retellings.
ben addiction
by brandon11
Sep 29th, 2008
01:06:16 PM
what about big fish, and mars attacks, and nightmare before christmas? Big Fish especially was masterful...
Big Fish is not an original work by Burton
by ShirtlessHostage
Sep 29th, 2008
01:29:40 PM
Big Fish wasn't an original vision, sorry to burst your bubbles.

It was based on a Novella by Daniel Wallace.
and its actually a particularly faithful adaptation for Burton - until he gets to the end, which ends up dramatically affecting the tone and meaning of the story.
Its worth reading.
Brandon11
by Ben Addiction
Sep 29th, 2008
01:48:28 PM
As shirtlesshostage says, Big Fish is an adaptation, and Mars Attacks! was based on some trading cards. Nightmare is original, but I was talking about live action films, and in any case Burton didn't direct that. I meant an original story of Burton's creation, directed by Burton.
oh ok
by brandon11
Sep 29th, 2008
01:57:58 PM
then yeah hes got nothing haha
Is it going to be all goth?
by Bean_
Sep 29th, 2008
02:01:49 PM
Is Alice going to wear a black dress with black and white stockings and black lipstick with dark eye shadow under her eyes and black hair with red streaks in it?
OK so she's on a boat...
by ZoeFan
Sep 29th, 2008
02:24:49 PM
It's good to see Burton is shooting this with film and not digital (at least according to these pictures).
Burton and Depp running through the motions ONCE AGAIN
by A G
Sep 29th, 2008
02:25:13 PM
People are bored of it.
Stop with the studio schlock and remakes... er sorry reinterpret
by ShirtlessHostage
Sep 29th, 2008
02:25:43 PM
I think Burton is at his most talented when he creates from his own material - its just been so long since he's done it.
Ed Wood - while he didn't write it, it is arguably his best film. Its a biographical film, but Burton's fingerprints are all over it. A love letter to a passionate to a fault director, with whom, at the time, Burton seemed to share that distinction. Since then, he's made mostly remakes and adaptations that have, in most cases, been done better.
I was a huge fan of Big Fish, and, while it has some faults, I thought Sweeney Todd was just short of brilliant.
But, I want to see Burton do something entirely his own again, where his love of the material is palpable, like Ed Wood or Scissorhands, or even Mars Attacks. Where there are the dark overtones, the gothic landscapes, but a sense of light-heartedness pervades the film.
Ahoy Hoy
by Ken Luxury-yacht
Sep 29th, 2008
02:47:55 PM
I live in the area just outside Brighton where Lewis Carroll wrote the Alice books. In the private gardens is the tunnel down which he pictured Alice falling down the rabbit hole. Which I know has nothing to with this article, but what the hey. I also live in Steven Berkoff's old flat. But now I'm totally off topic! So anyhoo, personally I think Tim Burton and Lewis Carroll are a perfect match. But as I would appear to have my head up my arse, what do I know! :-)
Mocap?
by Rev. Slappy
Sep 29th, 2008
03:05:07 PM
I thought this was all supposed to be 3D mocap CGI. Maybe just the Wonderland stuff??
Does tim burton own
by kingoflight
Sep 29th, 2008
03:15:25 PM
any other clothes than that black shirt and black jeans
She. Is. Too. Fucking. Old!
by Hamtaro Hentai
Sep 29th, 2008
03:17:12 PM
A major part of the magic of Carroll's books is the youth and innocence of the character. Unless you're doing the American McGee version, You need a girl no older than 12.
ramses...
by scaryskeleton
Sep 29th, 2008
03:18:21 PM
Thanks for the mention of Dream Child, that was a film I have always wanted to see but forgot all about until you mentioned it. As for Burton's remake, I welcome it, as we can always use another Alice. I am curious to see what direction this one goes, because curiously enough, my favorite adaptation is Disneys, because it is animated, and the pacing and humor are right where they need to be. People tend to slag it, but I have yet to see another version of say, the mad tea party, actually FEEL like the book as much as Disneys, IE madcap and breathlessly out of control...Also I really dislike seeing actors dressed up as animals. I hope Burton's alice actually talks to believable cats and rabbits and so on...
Can'y be Arsed!
by FILMFUNK
Sep 29th, 2008
03:29:45 PM
plop!
As long as this is Sweeney Todd/Ed Wood Burton...
by TheWaqman
Sep 29th, 2008
04:15:05 PM
then I'm fine with it. But I swear if he pulls another Willy Wonka I aint watching it. Burton is capable of making good movies. Lets hope he shows it here again, like he did last year.
Mad Hatter
by haggardatbest
Sep 29th, 2008
04:37:31 PM
Steve Buscemi should obviously have been cast as the Mad Hatter based on his take on the role in the SNL sketch. "Why I'm so mad I burn my penis with cigarettes!"

by caltsoudas
Sep 29th, 2008
05:13:22 PM
Neat. That's the very last scene in the film, where she takes over her father's trade company and sails off into the sea while the caterpillar (now turned into a butterfly) flies off her shoulder, up into the sky.
Oh yeah
by caltsoudas
Sep 29th, 2008
05:20:06 PM
And it's not a remake. It's a loose adaptation of the sequel book 'Through the Looking Glass' done in a Return To Oz style. Alice is older and expected to marry the son of her father's business partner, but falls madly in love (pun intended) with the Mad Hatter instead. Ofcourse unlike Dorothy in Return to Oz, Alice doesn't remember her past visits because they're always dreams. And in this one it's assumed that the place is called UNDERLAND and not Wonderland as she thought of it when she was a young girl. Aaaaaaan I've said too much.
I mean I love Burton n'all...
by jasper Stillwell
Sep 29th, 2008
05:21:59 PM
...how long is it til some big studio throws money at him for his 'unique' vision of Bram Stoker's Dracula - filmed in blue and white, backing music by Elfman all girl choirs, xylophones and menacing strings and, mmmm, wonder who'll play Drac that could perfectly capture a whimsical, somehow lost, child-like soul...*yawn*
Why does he remake and rape classic movie?
by HerbWestAustin
Sep 29th, 2008
05:35:26 PM
Stop him before it's too late? Johnny Depp will appear the same as both Willy Wonka and the Mad hatter! career should be over by now.
Thanks for the info Caltsoudas
by half vader
Sep 29th, 2008
05:38:32 PM
and I love the design of Return to Oz - too bad it was wasted as the cinematography is shit.

I've pictured the Mad Hatter only one way ever since seeing Dreamchild when it first came out. You gotta love the Henson creature shop.

YT video - that's some trippy, scary shit!
by finky089
Sep 29th, 2008
05:43:19 PM
at the end where the Tea Party goes shithouse nuts, that would probably have fresked me out when I was 5....or 15.
"fresked" = "freaked"
by finky089
Sep 29th, 2008
05:44:12 PM
hee haw
good costume on Alice
by jawsfan
Sep 29th, 2008
06:27:31 PM
The costume designer did a good job on her costume. Looks really good.
it's a great, fun story
by BadMrWonka
Sep 29th, 2008
07:07:22 PM
and it's perfect for Burton...let it be fun and nuts, let him stamp it however he pleases, and stop whining. you know you're gonna watch it, and you know you're gonna have fun.

honestly, you guys could whine about anything...

Oooooh, pretty!
by Devil'sOwn
Sep 29th, 2008
07:51:12 PM
Wonderland is trippy goodness, and Tim Burton has been on a roll lately, so I'm looking forward to this.
I want them to remake a live action Bambi with Randy Couture as
by ass clown
Sep 29th, 2008
10:22:55 PM
I love remakes, they make my balls tingle. Please remake Snow White with real midgets, and please make a live action Sesame Street movie with Shia Lebeouf as Big Bird, Johnny Depp as Oscar the grouch, Clay Aiken as Burt, and Seth Rogan as Ernie. Maybe Horatio Sanz as Snuffleufugus. Directed by Michael Bay.
I'm gonna say what everybody's thinking.
by therightclique
Sep 29th, 2008
11:39:28 PM
That girl looks like Tobey Maguire in a dress.
I feel like I've already seen it......
by sns
Sep 30th, 2008
12:41:32 AM
Its Tim Burton...we all know exactly how it will look and feel.....I'll wait for the DVD.
Caltsoudas
by Dominic-Vobiscum
Sep 30th, 2008
01:45:30 AM
That sounds fucking awful.
She actually looks how I pictured Lestat.
by Dingbatty
Sep 30th, 2008
04:00:32 AM
And wearing the same blue-grey he favors in the books.

There was a Beckinsale version of TTLG...

this looks pretty cool, but you know what *I* want?
by The Amazing G
Sep 30th, 2008
06:03:19 AM
DINOSAURS ATTACK!
Where's the love
by hobsnobber
Sep 30th, 2008
03:00:05 PM
for Pee Wee's Big Adventure?
PWBA I do love.
by Dingbatty
Oct 1st, 2008
04:58:07 AM
The scene where he runs out of the blaze screaming, clasping the snakes still cracks me up.
11th picture down...
by Epictetus
Oct 1st, 2008
10:13:23 AM
...is Robert Plant, right?

"Has anybody seen the bridge?"

"Tell me now, does anybody remember laughter?"

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