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STAR TREK Director J.J. Abrams:
We Wrote A Scene For Shatner!!
William Shatner: Nobody Told Me!!

Heh. by Johnny Smith	Sep 20th, 2008 03:13:50 PM
That is all.
Oh well by Nickn328	Sep 20th, 2008 03:18:22 PM
That's too bad.
many are still hoping this is all smoke and mirrors... by crankyoldguy	Sep 20th, 2008 03:18:45 PM
we'll see next year
Still no feature on the collpase of TIN-TIN, eh? by Nosferatu Jones	Sep 20th, 2008 03:19:30 PM
This Shatner bit is days old. Why no rantings about Spielberg and Jackson getting the wind knocked out of their sails...?
2nd` by TheDudeintheShadows	Sep 20th, 2008 03:20:59 PM
fuck the shat
STAR TREK XI: SPOCK TO THE FUTURE? by Nosferatu Jones	Sep 20th, 2008 03:21:03 PM
Is that honestly how you would have had them do it, Hercules? Yeesh.
ok guess not by TheDudeintheShadows	Sep 20th, 2008 03:21:18 PM
still... fuck the shat
Indeed.... all I have is... by Quintus_Arrius	Sep 20th, 2008 03:22:26 PM
...meh!
Pfft...well I offered him a role in MY movie. by thelivingdoll	Sep 20th, 2008 03:24:11 PM
He turned it down. Said the role of '70yr old paperboy' was "too cliche."
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!! !!!!!! by pokadoo	Sep 20th, 2008 03:29:46 PM
Or "ABRAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMSS!!!!!!! !
I "PAUSE" DONT "PAUSE" UNDERSTAND... by Redfive!	Sep 20th, 2008 03:31:19 PM
"PAUSE" WHY "PAUSE" JJ "PAUSE" WONT "PAUSE" MAKE IT "PAUSE" ALL "PAUSE" ABOUT "PAUSE" ME!
"PAUSE" by Redfive!	Sep 20th, 2008 03:32:04 PM
SPOCK?
hey, speaking of DNA.... by TheSeeker7	Sep 20th, 2008 03:32:14 PM
I have to believe that a couple hundred years in the future (which is when even this "young Trek" story takes place, yea?) that they'd simply be able to exhume Kirk's body from his grave, take a DNA sample, and basically clone him so he could live again. Of course the "slippery slope" I think you're creating with that logic is that you could obviously do that with ANY human being, and what would the rationale in a society be for who gets to be brought back to life and who doesn't. Hell here in 2008 we already have more than enough population overcrowding.
PRICE...LINE NEGOTIATOR!!! (karate chop) by tylerzero	Sep 20th, 2008 03:41:14 PM

Nosferatu, what tin tin collaps? by Evil Hobbit	Sep 20th, 2008 03:41:53 PM
link link link???
I don't think Herc is looking forward to this movie by dr sauch	Sep 20th, 2008 03:43:04 PM
I, for one, welcome our new JJ Abrams overlord. No seriously, this will be amazing. I've enjoyed everything Abrams has done or been involved in.
Oh Snap! by Le Vicious Fishus	Sep 20th, 2008 03:46:58 PM
I'd like to underline the fact that this particular slang phrase really irritates me. I'm unsure as to why. And yet it seems appropriate to insert it into this TB. Indeed it does.
Shatner collaborates with Bluewater Comics! by Sackratte	Sep 20th, 2008 03:47:37 PM
I am really looking forward to his comics! Here is the link: http://www.bluewaterprod.com
Seriously though... by Le Vicious Fishus	Sep 20th, 2008 03:52:30 PM
Shatner's bizarre explanation of a hypothetical scenario in which the deceased Kirk's "molecules" are reformed in a transporter room was pure comedy gold (in addition to being more than a little cringe inducing). Shat on!
But if he avoided the Enterprise B voyage... by JediRob	Sep 20th, 2008 03:59:16 PM
...he wouldn't be there to help Picard.
JHC by down75	Sep 20th, 2008 04:00:56 PM
Get the fuck over yourself Bill... If you wanted a piece of this so badly why didnt you fork up some of those millions and make it yourself.
Why would Shatner by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 20th, 2008 04:04:29 PM
want to appear in a scene written by Kurtzman and Orci? Crazy guy.
dr sauch by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 20th, 2008 04:05:32 PM
Even Mission Impossible III?
I bet he's in the movie. by Mr Spork	Sep 20th, 2008 04:10:46 PM
Saying he's not is just a ploy to fool the internets and keep it a surprise.
Mother Fuckers get Shatner in NOW !! by picardsucks	Sep 20th, 2008 04:12:33 PM
Great idea about slipping him a note not to go on the Enterprise B voyage then the whole shitty ass Next Gen movie era would have never happened.
speaking of J.J. Abrams.... by sonnyhooper	Sep 20th, 2008 04:17:03 PM
.....what ever happened to herc's coen brothers + "it's superman" pitch? did the article get pulled for some reason?
The movie doesn't come out 'til... by cameron1975willi	Sep 20th, 2008 04:17:05 PM
...May 2009. Plenty of time to set-up a cameo for Kirk. I'm sure they're doing a few 'Pick-ups' between now and release date anyway. Be it as described by Hercules above (which I think would work very nicely) or involving Spock watching some archival footage from Computer Banks featuring Kirk (just before he goes on that faithful voyage of Enterprise B, Kirk can even say; "Hey Spock, they've asked me to do this thing with Enterprise B, what do you think?", or whatever) and himself talking about how they met in the old days, before we actually see that take place with the new cast playing their youngerselves. With all the money and talent at J.J's disposal, they could easily pull this off.
I find myself not caring one way or the other by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom	Sep 20th, 2008 04:19:16 PM
Whilst I've enjoyed the odd Star Trek here or there, i've never considered myself to be a "Trekkie". Thus I find myself in the position of being able to look forward to this new Star Trek movie but not caring about the inclusion (or the lack of inclusion) of Mr Shatner. I would say that the man's time has come and gone. It does not hurt to dust off the cobwebs and start again sometimes. I am more fearful regarding the fact that this new movie has been written by the imbeciles behind "Transformers" than any current casting issues.
yeah, i read that book by 2bitkubrick	Sep 20th, 2008 04:19:21 PM
that the shatner wrote where he brought kirk back to life. the romulans cloned him and used him against the federation, he almost kills geordi and data. wasn't so great. then, next book, he goes to the borg homeworld and blows it up, killing himself in the process. also not so hot. i'm sure jj coulda thought of something better. and for that matter, he's still in the nexus, they can always just go there to get him back. that being said, there's been plenty of kirk-free trek, and its done just fine without him, i'm sure this will as well. and i'm very excited to see this. but he does rock in boston legal. . .
Hmm by Die_Hardest	Sep 20th, 2008 04:19:34 PM
Could Shatner even play Kirk again? I mean the guy has become such a national treasure it might be more weird than nostalgic to see him on the bridge of the Enterprise.
jonathan archer cameo anyone? by 2bitkubrick	Sep 20th, 2008 04:22:29 PM
or am i completely alone on this?
Universal said no to Tintin... by cameron1975willi	Sep 20th, 2008 04:25:22 PM
...and with good reason. All the Universal Execs have done is fed data into a computer about previous mo-capped features like Polar Express & Beowulf, put in how much they cost vs how much they made and guess what? On top of that; the teenage market is the biggest and how many teens do you know who've heard of Tin Tin? Hell, I'm 33, love Spielberg, admire Jackson and I have absoloutely no interest in this. Let it go guys. This ain't the project to combine your talents on. Last time Steve had a partner he came up with Raiders of the Lost Ark. Tin Tin ain't gonna be better than that now is it?
Well, Tin Tin is fucking brilliant by Evil Hobbit	Sep 20th, 2008 04:27:08 PM
And has a huuuge fanbase in Europe alone. Shame though. But Universal isn't everything, Spielberg will get it financed.
Hello...No one is listening to each other's statements by :-o	Sep 20th, 2008 04:31:57 PM
J.J.A. explicitly states that he wrote a cameo and it wasn't worth presenting it. The idea was shelved. He never said he offered to the Shat. He spared him the silly idea. Whats the reason for this clip, Shat? There's nothing to be defensive about. No one is being untruthful or insensitive. And J.J., you clearly thought Shat was wanting to be a central role--but it seems here he's ok with seeing your ideas for a cameo. DO THE CAMEO! You can figure it out. And Shat. Once again. You did the Kirk Dies movie. Have some finality and respect for that storyline. We paid money to see the end of Kirk It's not a creative issue. People die. It was....fun!
Just put him IN the damn movie by Emperor_was_a_jerk	Sep 20th, 2008 04:34:01 PM
The Abrams excuses are just lame. This is a Star Trek movie. Like it or not Shatner IS Star Trek. I am not even a big Star Trek geek and I know this! "He doesn't fit into the story that we are making" is such a stupid thing to say. Just make a story (or a small part of it) that he DOES fit into. It's not like its written in stone. I just don't get it. I am all for this new Star Trek movie and am looking forward to it but without the possibility that Shatner may show up as Kirk even for a line or two... it makes the movie less of an actual Trek movie.
"We paid money to see the end of Kirk" by Hercules	Sep 20th, 2008 04:36:17 PM
Just as we paid money to see the end of Spock in Star Trek II!
Shatner is the Paul McCartney of Star Trek. by Demode	Sep 20th, 2008 04:36:28 PM
Shatner is the Paul McCartney of Star Trek. You do a movie without him, and you get the Bee Gees movie version of Sgt Pepper. Who the hell wants that?
Clooney made a surprise cameo in Juliana M's last ER ep by m00kiedood	Sep 20th, 2008 04:38:11 PM
At the end of the episode that was Juliana M's last ER episode, George Clooney made a surprise cameo.Is Shat giving a sneaky hint or just being a prick, when he says he's going to watch that show?
Damn You Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Sep 20th, 2008 04:39:30 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
I by Human Worm Baby	Sep 20th, 2008 04:40:31 PM

Might as well bring Kirk back to life. by Le Vicious Fishus	Sep 20th, 2008 04:41:38 PM
To me the WORST offense of the entire pre-STNG ST franchise was bringing Spock back after one of the best, most noble film deaths of a character in film history. After that transgression, every film story involving the old crew lost any kind of relevance or poignancy to me. Bringing Spock back to life was a ridiculous (and absurdly far-fetched), crass, commercial decision. So why not bring Kirk back? The character's death was maudlin and unconvincing anyway. Forgive me for not giving a shit either way.
Damn by Human Worm Baby	Sep 20th, 2008 04:41:47 PM
I'm sad about the Tintin thing. I want to see Moffat written stuff on the big screen. Even if Spielberg and Jackson direct. Both have disappointed me.
oh wait, i'm a moron by m00kiedood	Sep 20th, 2008 04:45:35 PM
I thought that was Shat's comment, but I see now it was Herc's. Reading this on my blackberry and the format's all wacky.heh
kwisatzhaderach is a genius by Xiphos_2	Sep 20th, 2008 04:49:34 PM
Proof is in his post time stamped 04:04:29 PM on 20 September. It is without a doubt the best point to be made in this TB.
Kirk's death ... by Dollar Bird	Sep 20th, 2008 05:01:51 PM
... was one of the most disappointing death sequences I have ever seen on screen. And why did he die? To save the crashed crew he never saw? To save a faceless planet's thousands of lives we never saw on screen? As far as I'm concerned, Picard and Kirk are still riding horses and having Christmas in the Nexus and none of those crappy TNG movies ever got made. How is it possible they could make a decent, movie-lenght final episode for that show, but couldn't create a decent movie for that crew? (No, the "Borgs in the Woods" one was not good. I don't care what other people say, I stand by my opinion.)
"Hercules, Hercules..." by cameron1975willi	Sep 20th, 2008 05:02:07 PM
You tell 'em Herc!
spocks death by 2bitkubrick	Sep 20th, 2008 05:07:13 PM
and subsequent resurrection look pretty planned out to me (correct me if im wrong, plese), just look at the last shot in STII, it totally sets up bringing him back. but yes, he did have one of the best, most memorable death scenes in film history (i cried when scotty played the bagpipes, im not ashamed). and as far as trek movies sans shatner, look no further than first contact. AWESOME movie, and the highest grossing trek film ever, if memory serves. Nemesis wasn't too bad either.
Shatner plays Bones by enderandrew	Sep 20th, 2008 05:11:10 PM
And by that I mean, Shatner plays a pile of bones. I never once thought he was a good actor, nor was I ever crazy about Kirk. Yet his ego is legendary, and decades later he refuses to let go of the role. A reboot is a reboot. Frankly, I don't think Nimoy should have touched this either. If you're going to violate canon in every way possible, and have new actors with very different takes on the characters, then why saddle one new actor to effectively just do a Nimoy impersonation by including Nimoy in the reboot?
Shatner's brilliant series of novels bringing him back... by iamnicksaicnsn	Sep 20th, 2008 05:11:17 PM
with the TNG crew should have been made into movies. I know they wanted to distance themselves from TOS, but shit they would have been awesome.
by DanielKurland	Sep 20th, 2008 05:20:42 PM

"The good Dale is in the lodge. Write it in your diary."... by DanielKurland	Sep 20th, 2008 05:21:24 PM
You mean, you'd like them to do that sort of thing, right?
No, Shatner is the Gene Simmons of STAR TREK. by Nosferatu Jones	Sep 20th, 2008 05:26:09 PM
Me, me, me. Money, money, money. Me & money.
First Contact had no Kirk and was still really good by zooch	Sep 20th, 2008 05:33:11 PM
Shatner's ego was too big for this movie. He wanted it to be about him. But that's not what this movie is about. They can't just change the whole thing and make it revolve around William Shatner because he said so.
spoiler warning? by Dangerousapple	Sep 20th, 2008 05:41:21 PM
Not that I mind the 'spoiler' in this article much - there is no spoiler as far as I'm concerned. Just a 'what if' that never came to be. But DAMN - what is the point of a spoiler tag if you put the entire spoiler in the fucking headline? Just asking. And yeah, Spock pulling a Marty Mcfly would have been awesome. I always kinda assumed the movie would take this route too. Would have made for a killer final scene. Spock returning to the future, meeting up with his friend. A sparkle in both their eyes. A tear in the audience's eyes. Oh well.
This is how Kirk could have been included. To Boldly Return... by ToddFluhr	Sep 20th, 2008 05:45:36 PM
Picture this. Opening: Spock at last travels to Kirk’s grave to meet Kirk’s surviving friends in a planned private funeral service. (Would be nice if Sulu and other surviving old cast were rendezvousing for their own private service). Sulu asks Spock why he asked him to bring a portable generator, but Spock claims he doesn’t remember including that in his request to his friend, The Nexus event is still “stringing” through time-space and present in the system. Due to the proximity of the Nexus, when Time/Reality shifts to a Romulan-dominated universe, Spock and companions are immune in the Nexus anomaly stream. As the time stream adjusts, anomaly bubbles begin to expand and collapse around the Nexus. It becomes apparent the romulans have used the nexus to travel into the past and kill the younger Kirk. In a Nexus bubble Spock encounters Kirk’s “consciousness” incarnate: trapped in the Nexus due to his close proximity at the time of his death. Spock and Kirk plan to use Nexus string to travel to the past and stop the Romulans. But just as they are about to step through the bubble, a Romulan strike team arrives and attempts to stop them. Kirk pushes Spock through the bubble and remains in the “future” to cover his friend. Spock arrives in the “past” and the plot of the film unfolds as written. When the time-nexus event is averted, the bubble reappears briefly allowing Spock to return to the future, but not before mind-melding with his younger self to “repress” the memories of the Romulan plot. Spock arrives back in the “future” exactly when he left, and assists as Kirk beats the romulan strike team. Kirk bids farewell to Spock, but Spock slips his communicator on the essence of Kirk, and immediately instructs Sulu to lock on to the signal and transport. Back at the grave side, Spock uses the transporter to lock onto Kirk’s grave and with extra from the generator combines the essence of Kirk’s soul with the body. Kirk emerges alive from the transporter, and embraces his friends. Spock had left memories in his younger self to have Sulu bring that extra generator for then energy required to restore Kirk. Kirk says he has boldly gone where no man has gone before, but there is no place he’d rather be in the universe then with his friends. Now, I bet anyone a buck that with 15 minutes of extra script and footage, I can turn the “prequel” star wars films into an incredible work of art that fits perfectly in every way with the original films. Really. Email me if you’re interested. cfluhr@brother.win.net - Todd Fluhr
This is how Kirk could have been included. To Boldly Return... by ToddFluhr	Sep 20th, 2008 05:48:19 PM
Picture this. Opening: Spock at last travels to Kirk’s grave to meet Kirk’s surviving friends in a planned private funeral service. (Would be nice if Sulu and other surviving old cast were rendezvousing for their own private service). Sulu asks Spock why he asked him to bring a portable generator, but Spock claims he doesn’t remember including that in his request to his friend, The Nexus event is still “stringing” through time-space and present in the system. Due to the proximity of the Nexus, when Time/Reality shifts to a Romulan-dominated universe, Spock and companions are immune in the Nexus anomaly stream. As the time stream adjusts, anomaly bubbles begin to expand and collapse around the Nexus. It becomes apparent the romulans have used the nexus to travel into the past and kill the younger Kirk. In a Nexus bubble Spock encounters Kirk’s “consciousness” incarnate: trapped in the Nexus due to his close proximity at the time of his death. Spock and Kirk plan to use Nexus string to travel to the past and stop the Romulans. But just as they are about to step through the bubble, a Romulan strike team arrives and attempts to stop them. Kirk pushes Spock through the bubble and remains in the “future” to cover his friend. Spock arrives in the “past” and the plot of the film unfolds as written. When the time-nexus event is averted, the bubble reappears briefly allowing Spock to return to the future, but not before mind-melding with his younger self to “repress” the memories of the Romulan plot. Spock arrives back in the “future” exactly when he left, and assists as Kirk beats the romulan strike team. Kirk bids farewell to Spock, but Spock slips his communicator on the essence of Kirk, and immediately instructs Sulu to lock on to the signal and transport. Back at the grave side, Spock uses the transporter to lock onto Kirk’s grave and with extra from the generator combines the essence of Kirk’s soul with the body. Kirk emerges alive from the transporter, and embraces his friends. Spock had left memories in his younger self to have Sulu bring that extra generator for then energy required to restore Kirk. Kirk says he has boldly gone where no man has gone before, but there is no place he’d rather be in the universe then with his friends. Now, I bet anyone a buck that with 15 minutes of extra script and footage, I can turn the “prequel” star wars films into an incredible work of art that fits perfectly in every way with the original films. Really. Email me if you’re interested. cfluhr@brother.win.net - Todd Fluhr
We also paid to see the end of Data by Jubba	Sep 20th, 2008 05:49:39 PM
Can't film an aging robot I guess.
sorry about that by ToddFluhr	Sep 20th, 2008 05:50:53 PM
I didn't mean to double post: I was trying to get paragraph breaks to work. Apparently I can write anything but proper paragraph breaks here. How are paragraphs broken in these posts?
Yes, even Mission Impossible III by dr sauch	Sep 20th, 2008 05:51:58 PM
I thought MI III was the best of the three. For real.
Very nice Herc by Dragon Man	Sep 20th, 2008 05:58:31 PM
Nice way to break down what you heard this movie is about.
Have Shats as some kind fat little alien by FILMFUNK	Sep 20th, 2008 06:07:34 PM
Why should he be in it it's the young crew not try and squeeze the old duffers in again! they already did that to death saving whales and climbing mountain faces with rocket boots and dodgy hair pieces! Shatner my man I'd pay to see you runnin round in a Cop uniform as TJ Hooker the Movie though now that woul dbe funny as fuck!!!
Why do people who were on a show once... by Garbageman33	Sep 20th, 2008 06:11:46 PM
Think that entitles them to always have a part in it, no matter how many years have passed? Just because I ate at Shakey's last weekend doesn't mean I can walk in there tonight and get my same table back.
The Shat' is where it's at! by Nerdgasm	Sep 20th, 2008 06:14:09 PM
What a dude. Still, cameos' are wierd, I've never really seen a good one (other than Stan Lee in all the comic movies where he's in the background somewhere).
Star Trek NEEDS Kirk by GeorgieBoy	Sep 20th, 2008 06:15:03 PM
I never got exactly why it was necessary to see a film legend die on screen in the first place. What purpose did it serve? I was much happier before not even thinking about what happened to Kirk. ** As many posters have demonstrated, Kirk could come back in any of 1,000 different ways. It doesn't take a genius to think of one. Personally, I like the idea of going back into the Nexus and retrieving him. Pretty simple. Of course JJ doesn't want to do that. BUT why does the cameo have to happen after Kirk's death? Why can't it happen right before Generations? Like during Kirk's skydiving adventure (as in the book)? ** Let's hope that JJ wises up and begs Shatner to appear. (The real) Kirk and Spock together again one last time would be bliss.
Been saying this for over a year now... by Darth Busey	Sep 20th, 2008 06:25:42 PM
there's no way Shatner is not in this movie.
ohmyGOD ican'tbelieve THAT peoplethinkthat BILLS actingstylework by Samson_K	Sep 20th, 2008 06:37:31 PM

got more love for DENNY CRANE than JIM KIRK anyway by Maniaq	Sep 20th, 2008 06:53:36 PM
first, approached or not, he confirms he would have rejected the idea of a cameo anyway so... moot point really... MORE IMPORTANTLY some of us are interested in seeing NEW LIFE breathed into this ageing franchise and ok maybe you need a familiar face to tie in the old to the new - but a character who is NOT DEAD is a much easier way to do that - and you only need ONE... I'll reserve judgement on how FNG does filling The Shat's shoes, but I'm much more interested in watching HIM than the old bastard...
Don't pull shit on The Shat... by BurnHollywood	Sep 20th, 2008 06:58:57 PM
Shatner got a worldwide posse, yo.
Bring Kirk back with The Bruce as his long-lost brother! by br1947	Sep 20th, 2008 07:01:21 PM
That's right, Shatner & Campbell. My God, imagine the possibilities...
If Bill isn't in this new movie I will piss on the theater floor by Pixelsmack	Sep 20th, 2008 07:08:22 PM
And then hurl my own feces at the gates of Paramount.
Shatner is in Abram's Star Trek by smackfu	Sep 20th, 2008 07:18:07 PM
And probably not just a brief cameo either. Does it not occur to anyone that it's a little odd what lengths Abrams and Shatner are going to not only proclaim that he's not in it, but to really 'sell' that he's not in it. Especially when people stopped asking 'why isn't Shatner in this?' 6 months ago. When someone provides you with an answer to a question that you didn't ask, the answer is obviously ironic. Sort of like if you just pipe up in the middle of a room with 'I didn't steal any money!' and no one actually asked 'who took the money?', it's pretty obvious YOU took the money. And before anyone hits me with a wishful thinking accusation, I'd like to state for the record that I don't give a rats ass about Shatner, to the contrary, I'd rather NOT see his bloated swollen face on screen bobbing up and down under a piece of taxidermy. But marketing subterfuge is what Abrams does, and it's obviously what he and Shatner are doing with all this stuff.
Agent Johnson by optimus122	Sep 20th, 2008 07:20:56 PM
I disagree with all you have said there by completely nullifying it all. Alias was some of the best tv ever in the first 2 seasons and the 3rd season was pretty damn good too. 4 and 5 stunk but that doesn't mean these guys make show with no substance or style. Pure bullshit im calling on you. Lost also rules, you can't argue with this guys success. Fringe will end up being damn good as well , and yet right now I am not sold on it either to be honest. But anyway fuck off.
smackfu by optimus122	Sep 20th, 2008 07:23:14 PM
The only reason I have any doubt is they want a wide audience and well the Shat has expanded his fanbase in a huge way since the last star trek movie he was in and is almost a household name these days even to people who could care less about star trek. I would think they would want him and his star power in there for that reason alone. But you could be right as well. Who knows..
I literally read about this 2 weeks ago. by Kid Idioteque	Sep 20th, 2008 07:47:55 PM
I think it was on Joblo or something. Talk about being late to the party...
Generations plot was so stupid and illogical by successor	Sep 20th, 2008 07:48:27 PM
If the Nexus could send Picard back to any time, why the hell didn't he just go back to the time before Soren blew up the observatory, knock his ass out, then tell the crew what happened and lock him up in the brig? But oh no, don't be logical. And why didn't Soren just shoot himself out of an airlock before the Nexus destroyed the ship he was on?
to successor: If the Nexus could... by ToddFluhr	Sep 20th, 2008 08:01:52 PM
It was established the nexus was some sort of transdimensional string spanning time as well as distance. Now, I fully admit the whole Nexus plot sucked worse than a black hole on crack, but I think there's enough wiggle room to say there could be temporal ripples or bubbles by someone using a modified star drive to "ride the fringe" of the nexus and pop out in different time streams / locations. I won't defend the nexus concept, but I will try to work with existing themes and plots to produce something consistent yet cool.
I sobbed my bloody heart out.... by CloneRangerUK	Sep 20th, 2008 08:03:00 PM
..when Kirk died, not just because it was a death of a childhood icon, but because of the way he went out, "like some punk" in the immortal words of SLJ, just so damn lamn & nasty! I agree with the above, Abrams is good, but not great & the Shat IS Trek!!!
Damn, Hercules. by Cotton McKnight	Sep 20th, 2008 08:03:15 PM
You just solved the insolvable problem. That is just perfect. It didn't even have to be something overt- just a simple note handed to Young Jimmy Kirk. No more needed to be said. At the end of the movie, you see an older Kirk. Maybe at the end of the credits. Hell make it an extra on a dvd! DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know I know,Shatner wouldn't do a "cameo". But if it erased that ridiculous death, you better believe he would have done it.
Why couldn't Kirk have died.... by CloneRangerUK	Sep 20th, 2008 08:11:36 PM
...seperating the saucer section from the body of the Enterprise D, he was one of the last ones leaving & something got stuck, which required some manual leaver action (which was going on in generations in the seperation sequence) then there was a problem with a stuck hatch, Kirk could have saved the next gen crew with an "oh my" on the warp drive section of the D when it blew up (mirroring saving the enterprise B), allowing the saucer section to get away. A better sacrifice methinks!
Top 3 Lame Movie Deaths: by future help	Sep 20th, 2008 08:42:30 PM
1. Hicks & Newt 2. Kirk 3. Darth Maul (some additional mentions would be welcome)
Real Subtle by lsleelee	Sep 20th, 2008 09:00:40 PM
Glad you made that ER reference, because up until that point only people who had graduated 8th grade knew what you were implying.
Top 3 Lame Movie Deaths: more by ToddFluhr	Sep 20th, 2008 09:01:10 PM
Laurie Strode: Halloween Resurection Shepherd Book: Serenity The Lone Gunmen.
Dont forget the 20 minute death scene of "Trinity" in Matrix 3 by Mike_D	Sep 20th, 2008 09:13:35 PM
the whole movie was pretty lame actually.
Fuck that crying cunt by Sawney Bean	Sep 20th, 2008 09:31:00 PM
He reminds me of that faggot Adam West. He did one damned thing in his whole career and wants to hold on to it forever. Then he gets all hurt when he doesn't get to be a part of the franchise anymore. What a cunt.
I liked that Kirk was killed by his weight gain. by Flim Springfield	Sep 20th, 2008 09:36:11 PM

Herc's just pissed at being wrong... by randie1313	Sep 20th, 2008 10:03:02 PM
...as he confidently predicted that Shatner was secretly in the movie. Many knew better.
This WREAKS of publicity stunts - Kirk IS in the film by ShiftyEyedDog2	Sep 20th, 2008 10:05:14 PM
from the very beginning every word from both abrams and shatner has all just seemed like one big misinformation campaign. Theyre hoping to surprise everyone when he DOES show up in the movie. Remember this post and mark my words.
Sawney Bean by zacdilone	Sep 20th, 2008 10:06:50 PM
How can you forget the awesomeness that is "TJ Hooker?"
Maybe Kirk fell off that walkway into an abyss with the Balrog.. by captain omega	Sep 20th, 2008 10:13:49 PM
Kirk/Shats is great. But, he isn't needed for this one. Neither it Nimoy. Just write something good, without gimmicks that play off of TOS actors. Same thing as the Terminator franchise. Same thing as the Alien franchise. You don't need Arnold or Sigourney for a good story. Just write a good story.
JJ never said they approached him by wash	Sep 20th, 2008 10:19:23 PM
It looks like he was very care not to say that. He just said Shat was very vocal he wouldn't take a cameo, and he still is.
smackfu - Do you remember the PSYCHO remake? by unfaithfullyyours	Sep 20th, 2008 10:35:53 PM
I would love it if you were right. I really would. But do you remember when they made that PSYCHO remake a few years back? They went to great lengths to say, in the press, that it was a "shot-by-shot" remake. My friends and I were convinced this was all a cover up, because they changed something. Small, big ... I didn't know. That HAD to, right? Who the fuck wants to go see a shot-by-shot remake of PSYCHO? I went to that movie convinced I'd been hookwinked. And then, when it unfolded exactly as they'd said, SHOT-BY-SHOT, my spirit fell and I felt totally duped. By myself, really. Maybe this is a similar situation???
Kirk is Trek? Bull by critch	Sep 20th, 2008 11:00:01 PM
Next Generation, not counting Generations. DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. There's a hell of a lot more Trek without him than there is with him. William Shatner is SEVENTY YEARS OLD, he cannot play Kirk any more. And he wouldn't do a cameo, so what the hell do you want?
We can't let Shatner go... by PirateEmery	Sep 20th, 2008 11:43:26 PM
Well, maybe you Trekkies can, but I can't. Two words: Denny... Crane...
Shatner should be in the film by Kneprock	Sep 21st, 2008 12:21:36 AM
As a time traveling Denny Crane! Or they could just bring him out of stasis because they have found the cure to his 'mad cow' disease.
"Would a smarter group of filmmakers have written a story ..." by Geekgasm	Sep 21st, 2008 12:48:54 AM
Whatever the end of that question might have been, the answer is "yes". I wish a smarter group of filmmakers were making this picture. Although in fairness, I really respect that "Fringe" makes such an effort to respect the spirit and canon of "The X-Files". Hopefully they've written a part for a post-sex addict rehab David Duchovny that no one will bother to tell him about. And if we're really lucky, Roberto Orci will show up here to make fun of everyone for not assuming they're making the best Star Trek movie ever simply because they say so.
Well said, Herc. by Heckles	Sep 21st, 2008 12:55:15 AM
Dammit, your Vulcan logic has me scratching my head at this flick now. Spock is going back in time to save young Kirk, but he's fine with letting old Kirk die on a shitty planet alone helping someone he met minutes before? When I see the new flick I'll be thinking, "Spock! Tell Kirk to stay off the Enterprise-B!" And I find it odd that Abrahms is bringing up the fact Kirk died on screen when his entire movie is based on saving Kirk from dying. The movie just lost a little something for me.
Archer cameo... by Heckles	Sep 21st, 2008 12:58:45 AM
Don't remember much from Enterprise, but I remember hearing that Archer's old feeble ass was at the dedication for the NCC-1701 and died shortly afterward. If Pike is in command of the Big E, and they're sticking with the loose storyline from Roddenberry that a Captain Robert April was the original skipper, than there probably won't be any Archer appearance. Of course, the writers will do whatever they want and I have a lot of really useless trivia.
And a smarter group of filmmakers by half vader	Sep 21st, 2008 01:08:46 AM
should be able to write a few fucking Trek films WITHOUT time travel. Especially because initially it was a TV budget shortcut/excuse to use the backlot. And everyone, writers and fans alike should know that Kirk has died and been cloned a thousand fucking times. It's called the transporter. Those are not the same molecules at the other end.
Cameron 1975 by half vader	Sep 21st, 2008 01:13:20 AM
I can't work out if you're awesome for quoting the crappalicious old Hercules cartoon, or a complete moron for the "young people don't know/care about TinTin" idiocy. Based on that logic, no original story/film can succeed, because the audience doesn't already know about it. Whatever.
Shatner's ego needed a good DISSING... by TheGhostWhoLurks	Sep 21st, 2008 01:26:27 AM
Kudos to the director for not giving in to The Shat's whining!
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT by johnnykool	Sep 21st, 2008 01:48:43 AM
Will someone fucking talk to Shatner from the fucking ne wmovie about god damn fucking adding him in it for at least 3 minutes so all the fucking fanboys can jerk off and Bill can get his cool million and JJ can be the mother fucking hero of the god damn century with Trekkie fans? FUCK!
This has gotta be a publicity stunt by krushjudgement	Sep 21st, 2008 02:26:08 AM
They're setting us up for an actual cameo.
by thehoebo	Sep 21st, 2008 02:43:59 AM
The problem with this project is, noone outside of Trek fandom much cares about Star Trek, its always been uncool. Trek fans hardly ever go and see Trek films, Abrams knows this, its why he cast from pretty much every popular TV show going, the 'Oh look its Sylar' factor might help, but I don't know ANYONE that even cares about it. Everytime i've been in the cinema, people groan when the trailer is on, I even heard on guy say 'Oh fuck off, why do they bother with this shit'. Shat or no Shat, noone really cares.
Fuck Kirk, Shatner is Denny Crane! by V'Shael	Sep 21st, 2008 02:47:02 AM
These days, I think he's better off playing an overweight lecherous egomaniac with possible mental problems, than a dynamic galaxy saving starship captain.
forget LAME deaths - how about AWESOME deaths! by Maniaq	Sep 21st, 2008 03:10:32 AM
Here's one to get ya going - Pee Wee Herman in Buffy the Vampire Slayer...
Half Vader by cameron1975willi	Sep 21st, 2008 03:12:04 AM
You're right, I'm awesome. By-the-way, I was quoting Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor and not the old Hercules cartoon. I know more about film than you do, so I'd relax with your views on Tintin. Universal have done the math, maybe you should too.
by cameron1975willi	Sep 21st, 2008 03:16:56 AM
I think with the Shat's permission(i.e. send him a paycheck), you could use any previous footage of Kirk and cut and paste it into the film. Have old Spock meet Kirk from the original Series era or something. Remember when they got Elvis to sing with Celine on American Idol? That was awesome!
If you want to find a new audience by medicinaluser	Sep 21st, 2008 03:45:54 AM
Keep the Shat away, make it feel like you are actually starting afresh and not having him turn up and ruin it with his attention whorish ways. Sorry but if he turns out to be in the new movie and all this was just to keep Trekkies second guessing it will blow ass gases in the faces of all those who wanted to keep him dead and buried....Trekkie/Non Trekkie alike.
O.K. by Harold-Sherbort	Sep 21st, 2008 03:58:53 AM
Say what you will about Shatner, but you know he plowed the shit out of that girl when that interview was over.
Shatner JUMPED THE SHARK years ago! by Bob Cryptonight	Sep 21st, 2008 03:58:56 AM
And then he ate it! That fat fuck...
So some goddamn respect you retards. Shatner is a legend. by HarryBlackPotter	Sep 21st, 2008 04:41:08 AM
But JJ was right to move in a different direction with the movie.
Harold-Sherbort by tolomey	Sep 21st, 2008 04:43:39 AM
That girl's his daughter dude. Gross, Oh yeah, Shatner needs to be in this, got to see Kirk & Spock on screen one last time dammit.
Original "Trek" without Shatner ? by RobinP	Sep 21st, 2008 05:54:31 AM
Canada's greatest living actor/ export. Can't be done. Sholdn't be tried. He should be in it...somewhere. Trekkies unite.
WHY DIDN'T KIRK CLONE HIS DEAD SON THEN? by BringingSexyBack	Sep 21st, 2008 06:32:20 AM
Or travel in time to save him? Star Trek is so goddamned stupid.
Uh duh, by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Sep 21st, 2008 07:23:07 AM
Of course they wouldn't appear together. If this is set long before Kirk was a captain, unless they met in passing anytime during their service, they never met until Kirk was given command of the Enterprise, and Spock was assigned as his first officer even though Kirk wanted his best friend Gary Mitchell, who died in the pilot.
I don't know Guys but Shatner....... by D o o d	Sep 21st, 2008 07:38:30 AM
Seems to be a very bitter person. In every word he speaks, he just sounds bitter. He's a very rich man and he's made a career and life for himself. He should just let it go and move on!
As th saying goes... by emeraldboy	Sep 21st, 2008 08:11:57 AM
its shatners world we just live in it. Shatner wanted to do this movie. But abrams said no. Screw you JJ. and I am a lost fan.
Would have been like... by Madines Sideshed	Sep 21st, 2008 08:15:09 AM
....putting Alec Guiness in The Phantom Menace. Totally fucking pointless. As much as I like Shat and Nimoy, I think a clean break is what's needed. When I heard Nimoy was in this it all sounded a bit hokey.
The shat wanted 10 million dollars by emeraldboy	Sep 21st, 2008 08:16:13 AM
and jj said no. then the shat wanted 12 million dollars and JJ still said no. and anyway Kirk is dead. he was killed off in Generations. By Soran. oh and by the way Malcolm McDowell did not deserve the abuse he got for that movie.
Screw TINTIN -- motion capture STAR TREK by Big Dumb Ape	Sep 21st, 2008 08:44:34 AM
You know, given the latest news elsewhere here on the site, I would have preferred that Paramount said "screw you" to TINTIN and decided to do motion capture and photo likeness work with TREK instead, for something down the road. Seriously, think about it -- couldn't they scan in Shatner's face NOW and then trim the fat off his body? And return him to prime glory? Man, if Paramount was smart they'd call in the Shat and Nimoy and get their faces scanned and get as many vocal tape tracks as they can store up now. I'd love to see a cool epic TREK done up BEOWULF style, but still starring Shatner and Nimoy. As for the new movie, I'm still holding back any judgment till I see the first real trailer. Personally, I don't think Abrams is as great as some make him out to be (I thought MI:3 was utter shit). On the other hand, it would be a nice surprise if this turns out okay. But I would agree with a point that someone made earlier -- if you're not going to have Shatner in this, then I wish Nimoy wasn't in it EITHER. If they wanted to restart TREK as a fresh new franchise then it should have been a clean break entirely, so you buy into it or you don't. Personally, the second I see Nimoy on the screen it's STILL going to pull me out of the movie and make me think "Hey, wait a minute! Shatner's alive too! So why the hell isn't he in this thing too?" Then again, this story is coming from the guys who gave us TRANSFORMERS (and I don't say that as a compliment...)
It's probably damage control by matineer	Sep 21st, 2008 09:24:28 AM
The producer is saying he offered Shatner a part to cover his butt with Shatner's fans. He knows with Nimoy there people will want Shatner. They see him on Boston Legal every week. And once the reviewers finish talking about the villain called "Nero", they'll ponder the same question. There's nothing wrong with adding pretty faces and Maxim girls to Trek, but it's hard to see why a time travel movie couldn't include him. He died. Spock died. Heck, if the movie ditches all known Trek history, why does Kirk's death matter.,
Consider Shatner's physical appearance as a giveaway... by mythkiller	Sep 21st, 2008 09:45:30 AM
He's looking pretty buff in this video. He actually appears the fittest and healthiest I've seen him look in the last ten years. This could be a tell-tale sign that he got himself in tip-top shape for one last stint as Jim Kirk. These stories from J.J. and Shatner all seem like smoke and mirrors. Also consider that Nimoy is way more picky than Shatner is about Trek movies. If old Spock is in this thing, so is old Kirk. Don't be surprised to see Nichelle, George, and Walter too.
Unfaithfully, shot for shot Psycho? Really? by OBSD	Sep 21st, 2008 09:52:59 AM
So where was the scene in the original Psycho that showed Norman Bates jerking off? I don't remember that in Hitchcock's film. It was a "shot for shot" remake in the sense that if they could slip something puerile like some titty shots or Norman stroking his cock, they would. Which doesn't exactly constitute "shot for shot"
I think it's completely acceptable for there to be no Shatner. by rbatty024	Sep 21st, 2008 09:55:40 AM
Trek needs to move in a different direction, since it's been about a decade or so since it's been any good. The last two series were failures. If they can simultaneously bring the series back to its roots and add something new, then maybe they have a chance of reinvigorating Trek's dead corpse.
I don't know when people started talking about Psycho... by rbatty024	Sep 21st, 2008 10:00:40 AM
but when I saw the original Psycho I remember them implying heavily that Norman Bates was jerking off when he was watching Janet Leigh through the peephole. Sure, they couldn't be as explicit as the terrible remake, but take another look at Anthony Perkins's expression during that scene. That man was wanking it.
People. This movie is supposed to be REboot. It's not about Nimo by :-o	Sep 21st, 2008 10:17:54 AM
You are the same people that pay money to see Ozzy in concert aren't you? What. Is. The fascination. With. Yesteryear. Move forward...
Hey Shatner... You had your big send-off already by Subtlety	Sep 21st, 2008 10:52:39 AM
in Futurama ..."Where No Fan Has Gone Before". Admittedly, the death in "Generations" was lame lame lame and in no way befitting a character of Kirk's stature, but David X. Cohen et al gave the whole TOS cast a great coda to end it on. Shatner and Nimoy appearing in this new reboot seems like a cheap plea for legitimacy from the overhyped JJ.
"he plowed the shit out of that girl..." by Bill Clay	Sep 21st, 2008 11:24:26 AM
"... when that interview was over." That's his daughter, you sicko.
" certain adherence to the Trek canon" by Monkey_King	Sep 21st, 2008 11:53:50 AM
As well it should be. I like the idea of Spock pulling a Marty McFly-ish move about Kirk's future. Lets all hope they pull it off and everyone has a great time at the movies and are entertained immensely.
"WHY DIDN'T KIRK CLONE HIS DEAD SON THEN?" by Geekgasm	Sep 21st, 2008 12:31:11 PM
Cuz Kirk's son was queer. "I don't care is my boy WAS some kind of pansy! I love 'im, do ya hear?? I love my dead gay son!"
Conjecture is fun! by crankyoldguy	Sep 21st, 2008 12:33:38 PM
I side with those who think there might be a surprise coming, but won't be dejected if there is none. That said, I'm thinking no full-on Shatner of course, but I think we would do in cameo if it was a show-stopper. Perhaps something Spock is able to do in the past (as various posts above have suggested) so at the end of the credits (as in the Pirate movies, Iron Man, etc.), we get a Spock greeting Kirk, alive in the 24th century, some years post-helping Picard (Because if he didn't Soran would've succeeded). Did Spock travel the Veridian to help them....maybe? Did he manage to warn Kirk what would happen and he didn't die in a scaffolding fall? Some more complex, yet workable? As I said, conjecture is fun -- for fanboys and girls of all ages. And those who poo-poo it, please leave the sandbox now and go watch "Gossip Girl" or some other crap like that. Meanwhile, my little boy likes Kirk best and mom can't stand him and goes for Picard. When she told him the actor also plays Professor X, he decided, "well, I like Kirk and Picard." And in a completely different side bar off-topic, my favorite new shirt spotted over the weekend: Pagan, not Palin. Hah!
DeForest Kelly should be in the movie too! by Flim Springfield	Sep 21st, 2008 12:34:55 PM

Kelly - what, so he can say... by half vader	Sep 21st, 2008 12:41:39 PM
"You're dead, Jim".
by Demode	Sep 21st, 2008 12:55:35 PM
They should put that "skydiving" scene in the film that was cut from Generations. That way, you get a "new" Scotty and Checkov scene, and it reminds the audience of how Kirk died, as they talk about going to the Enterprise B in that scene, with Kirk saying that he doesn't want to go. Shatner looks good in that scene, and I don't think it would be hard to make him look like he appears in that scene later on in the film, with the technology they have now.
Use the "cut" Skydiving scene: Generations! by Demode	Sep 21st, 2008 12:58:12 PM
They should put that "skydiving" scene in the film that was cut from Generations. That way, you get a "new" Scotty and Checkov scene, and it reminds the audience of how Kirk died, as they talk about going to the Enterprise B in that scene, with Kirk saying that he doesn't want to go. Shatner looks good in that scene, and I don't think it would be hard to make him look like he appears in that scene later on in the film, with the technology they have now. Starting the film with an orbital skydive would be exciting, and it shows that the character is adventurous in his old age. Best way to re-introduce Shatner.
One word... HOLODECK!!!! by NeoDevilbaneX	Sep 21st, 2008 01:18:39 PM
It is a little puzzling that one thing never occurred to TPTB... Holodecks! I think it would've been the most fantastic scene. Open the movie (as we kind of know it does) in the 24th century. As Nero is about to launch his plan, we see Spock sitting down, having a conversation with Shatner-Kirk. As the conversation continues, we begin to wonder... how is clearly this very 24th century Spock talking to Kirk? Isn't he dead? Finally Spock, clearly kind of ruminating over a personal decision in his head and subtly seeking Kirk for guidance in what to do (whether or not to follow Nero into the past to stop what he's doing), resolves himself, bids farewell to Kirk, and heads to the door. He pauses a minute, says -- almost painfully -- "Computer, end program," and the whole simulation ends... as a smiling Shatner-Kirk dissolves. Cue the rest of the movie. It seems a no-brainer.
Shatner sucks balls. by JaggedSac	Sep 21st, 2008 01:40:05 PM
It makes sense not to put him in a movie.
Use Image Metrics like in the commercials by aboriginal	Sep 21st, 2008 02:09:27 PM
They made Kirk tell you about Dish Network right out of STVI, and that was a few years ago (http://www.image-metrics.com/ and http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10 /15/movies/15waxm.html?_r=1&sc p=2&sq=Santa%20Monica%20CGI&st =cse&oref=slogin). This is the place to go to reanimate old and dead actors so why not a real Shat-Kirk from his best days as a mid 30-something? With this flick's budget why the hell not????
It won't be as good w/out the Shat by DARTH VOODOO	Sep 21st, 2008 02:27:42 PM
Even Leonard Nimoy is on record as saying that the film would be better if William Shatner was in it.
People don't want Holodecks by Demode	Sep 21st, 2008 02:34:43 PM
Thats what it boils down too. Seeing a holodeck KIRK is not the same as seeing him alive, which is what people want. The only way a holodeck could work is if KIRK had recorded a message in the past, and Spock was listening to it in the future. If it is a hologram that Spock can "interact" with, forget it.
It would show another side of Spock by NeoDevilbaneX	Sep 21st, 2008 03:15:14 PM
That he's grown a bit more human in his old age... sentimental. What green-blooded Vulcan would think to recreate his dead best friend on a Holodeck and strike a conversation with him? Moreoever, it'd tell us that absolutely, Spock does miss Kirk. And folks wouldn't realize it was a Holodeck until the moment Spock says "Computer, end program."
god.... I don't want a TOS character ever to say... by Demode	Sep 21st, 2008 03:25:45 PM
"Computer, end program." We saw that done in the worst episode of "Enterprise". No thanks! Spock listening to a pre-recorded Kirk hologram... that is sentimental. Wesley Crusher did that in the Family episode with his Dad, and it was a good scene. He couldn't interact with it. He just listened. Talking to the hologram? Thats just creepy. No way JJ Abbrams would do that. To trick the audience into not realizing in was a hologram until the end of the movie would piss off everyone.
emarldboy by LarryTate	Sep 21st, 2008 03:26:24 PM
"The shat wanted 10 million dollars " Name your source or you made that up.
Abrams can go fuck himself by riddleman1674	Sep 21st, 2008 03:46:46 PM
Nobody's buying your bullshit you washed up hack. Between running MI & Alias into the ground and now this mumbo jumbo about a part not feeling right. Meh! I'm not a huge Star Trek fan but Kirk WAS ST. Period. And Spock without Kirk in a flashback movie??? Guy if you're going to bullshit tne entire ST fanbase, at least come up with something a little more convincing haha. Whatever, fuck this movie and fuck you. This is gonna go down with that god awful Enterprise series. Either way I'll waster my 10$ on Netflix. Just wanted throw in a useless 2 cents on this talkback haha. Adios......
Crankyoldguy has it right. I BET THIS IS HOW IT ENDS... by Big Dumb Ape	Sep 21st, 2008 05:06:25 PM
I think CrankyOldGuy above might actually have it right. Yes, all this Abrams/Shatner stuff going back and forth is merely just a fun ploy to tease the fans. So here's what will ultimately happen... The movie starts with Nimoy/Spock realizing the Kirk assassination plot and thus he makes his cameo in order to time travel back and warn younger new guy Spock... The new cast then goes about the movie doing its thing... Nero is defeated, time (and Kirk) are saved... Credits Roll... And then at the end, ala the Samuel L. Jackson scene in IRON MAN, we'll see Spock talking to a very alive Shatner/Kirk. In fact, maybe because of this time traveling adventure and it's repercussions, JJ and crew can even send a big "fuck you" to GENERATIONS by stating that Kirk never died at all and that particular movie never took place. Hell, if they were bold enough to do THAT I'd actually clap and cheer in the theater!
by redkamel	Sep 21st, 2008 06:47:34 PM
I stopped watching star trek when time travel became routine and that whole "Nexus" bit was used for all sorts of dumb gimmicks.
I love that link to Shatner. Note for note what I thought he wou by Stormwatcher	Sep 21st, 2008 10:19:53 PM
which means i gave this forward thought. I bet its subturfuge, probably not spelled that way though, JJ should direct the penultumate episode of Lost and then Jack Bender directs the last hour, would be fitting. Damn I miss Lost
Cameron 1975 by half vader	Sep 21st, 2008 11:00:31 PM
If you knew more you'd be quoting the original Lewis version or the cartoon. ;) "Universal have done the math". Is that supposed to be reasoning? Because this is the whole braindead argument I'm talking about. If everyone "did the math" then Paramount (here's the irony) would have pulled the plug on Titanic. Because Cameron went 100 MILLION OVER budget (double basically), and that was back in the nineties. If you remember (obviously not as you quote the Murphy version of NP rather than the Lewis - I guess you're too young), there was a week where it all came to a head before progressing with Fox. And following that supposedly responsible line of reasoning, they would have not only been over 100 million in the hole with no film, they would also not have shared (with Fox) almost 2 BILLION in receipts (and who knows how much on home video). So that tells you how rubbery "doing the math" is and how nobody knows anything, as the Hollywood saying goes. I bring Titanic up because all the idiot fanboys argued the same old "we know the ending", "they already made this", and "WHO iS INTERESTED IN THIS" (to which the answer is teenage girls along with ironically the widest demographic ever, obviously not including talkbackers) inanities. Note I never said anything about whether Titanic is 'good', just threw your math thing back to you. And if we listened to you guys with your "who cares" and "we know the ending" we never would have got things like Lawrence, or any other Lean movies for that matter. Or Star Wars. This is the problem with thinking like suits. You get lowest common denominator shit that you already had, and almost no chance for art. Remember how film is art? Besides, if you're on that tack, I'm not American and I do like Tintin. Cheers mate.
by yesiamaplant	Sep 21st, 2008 11:39:26 PM
" Would those filmmakers have had Spock (since he’s gone to the trouble of jumping back to Kirk’s youth) maybe hand a Marty McFly note to young Kirk warning him to steer clear of the Enterprise-B’s maiden voyage?" If you really want to talk continuity here, then no, as his "death" on the Enterprise B is necessary for Generations to turn out well for Picard and crew.
don't believe the hype by catlettuce4	Sep 22nd, 2008 02:23:04 AM
Artificial conflict created to sell more tickets upon resolution. Shat will be in it. I wouldn't be surprised if they CGI Deforest Kelly one last time either. There are three reasons to enjoy TOS, remember? BTW There's been some great sequence pitches on this site lately. Fanboys aren't as dumb as you think. -End of Line.
A bigger OS fan you'll never find than I.. by malificus	Sep 22nd, 2008 04:00:23 AM
..but I say bullocks to Shatner in the new movie. It's like Shatner is the Scott Baio of Star Trek and no new Trek material can be made without him fucking it first. I love the guy but let it go Bill, I still maintain the only true Trek is OS and everything else is just merchandising, but there's a whole generation out there that won't watch the old series no matter how much you tart up the effects, breaks my heart but it's true. In with the new, give someone else a shot, couldn't be any worse than Rick Berman.
Bullocks? by half vader	Sep 22nd, 2008 04:11:26 AM
Err, bullocks?
You dont fuck with 3 people in life... by Darth Macchio	Sep 22nd, 2008 11:37:40 AM
The Jesus. The Shattner. And the Chachi. Why don't you guys know this? Sure the "Don't fuck with Chachi" part was added in the last 30 years but does that make it any less significant?
optimus122: "Agent Johnson is right!!!" (after "Blazing Saddles" by mbeemer	Sep 22nd, 2008 02:07:50 PM
I disagree with all you have said there by completely nullifying it all. Alias was some of the best tv ever in the first 2 seasons and the 3rd season was pretty damn good too. 4 and 5 stunk but that doesn't mean these guys make show with no substance or style." The only problem with that is that in the beginning Abrams claimed to have the whole thing plotted out on a basic level - ALL THE WAY TO THE END - and was only adding the specifics as he began each season to keep it fresh. As time went on, it because clear that he was making it up as he went along, resulting in a muddled confused mess. Either he had a plan or he didn't, and it appears that he didn't. "Alias" showed such promise early on that the disappointing realization that the emperor had no clothes has soured me on all of the (heavily-hyped) projects he has done since. Not sayin' it can't be good, but I'll wait to until I hear that instead of running out to see it with eager expectations.
You know the hovering machine by indyjonez100	Sep 22nd, 2008 03:34:16 PM
classic, just made me laugh.
Half Vader by malificus	Sep 22nd, 2008 08:23:53 PM
Master of Minutae! Can you even misspell slang? is that possible? I've seen it spelled both ways, I guess I've never cared enough to determine which was correct, but now I know and when the next blue moon wanes and I use the term again I'll come correct.
Time-out here Fellas.... by cameron1975willi	Sep 23rd, 2008 08:09:57 PM
...Half Vader has a point. HF, I am very impressed with your response. I thought I knew some stuff but you have shown me the error of my ways. Never again shall I cross swords with you on the subject of Jerry Lewis, Hergé, James Cameron or anybody else. You have proved yourself more than worthy an adversary. My hat's off to you.
Please J.J... by cameron1975willi	Sep 23rd, 2008 08:11:12 PM
Hire James Horner to do the Soundtrack, I beg of you!

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