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NONONONO
by Larry Sellers
Sep 8th, 2008
02:25:33 PM
I guess. I don't know.
Warwick Davis to play Cap's shield
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
02:26:26 PM
It's all coming together nicely...
Awww Heel Knaaawwww!
by BiggusDickus
Sep 8th, 2008
02:27:41 PM
Let's face it - he'd be shit.
WHat!?
by Pogue Mahone
Sep 8th, 2008
02:28:16 PM
Maybe the 'ORIGINAL' Captain America! But not Steve Rogers. Icons can't be tampered with like that and I do NOT mean in a racist way! The WWII Frozen then unfrozen Cap needs to be Steve Rogers!
I heard Jon Heder was playing The Falcon
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
02:28:49 PM
...this is BS.
No. It's not true. It's impossible.
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:29:06 PM
Cap was my favorite hero growing up. I have been waiting for this movie since, well, forever. Smith is a cool actor, I really dig his work, but give me a fuckin' break. I can't begin to express how disappointed I will be if this turns out to be true. I highly doubt it. But still.
Nathan Jones to play Bucky
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
02:29:23 PM
Gonna need a bigger costume...
Nicholas Cage as Red Skull
by disfigurehead
Sep 8th, 2008
02:29:40 PM
How about Anne Hathaway for The Wasp?
by BiggusDickus
Sep 8th, 2008
02:30:17 PM
Grrr! The woman is filthy!
Definitely not!
by GingerBallz
Sep 8th, 2008
02:30:44 PM
Michael Clarke Duncan made sense, alright?
by Larry Sellers
Sep 8th, 2008
02:30:45 PM
He played Kingpin well. Even if Daredevil sucked, MCD was great. Jessica Alba as Invisible Girl? No. There are plenty of more experienced, more talented, white, blonde actresses in Hollywood. I'm not racist. I just think that in FF2 it was kind of insulting to see how they dyed her hair as light as possible, gave her the bluer eyes than any human being should have, and probably CGI'd her as caucasian. Will Smith is a great actor and I can see him as Capt. America. But he is so NOT my first choice and he certainly isn't the only talented man in Hollywood. Casting comic book characters shouldn't be based on ethnicity...but if you can cast someone who both resembles the character in question AND is a competent actor, why the fuck not get that guy?
Dave's Chappelle's blind KKK character as Red Skull
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
02:30:58 PM
Hilarous!
Cool
by egg86
Sep 8th, 2008
02:31:06 PM
Freaking comics purists. Stories retain their vitality through reinvention and retellings, not through maintaining the perfect integrity of their original incarnation. I think a black Captain America would be pretty cool - I'd love to see some exploration of racial themes, like how can a black man be so devoted to his country as Captain America is? But...all you comics geeks would revolt so it ain't happening.
Don't they fucking dare
by biffy88
Sep 8th, 2008
02:31:39 PM
Otherwise it might suck as much as Hancock. Wasn't brad pitt also rumoured at one point?
Sounds good to me...
by Pdorwick
Sep 8th, 2008
02:31:51 PM
Captain America is such a ridiculous character that anything done to shake the movie up even a little is more than welcome. Will Smith would be great in this role.
Animated Chris Rock to play Soldier Serum in blood
by EriamJH
Sep 8th, 2008
02:32:22 PM
And the Red Skull to be played by Shia LeBoef, Bucky played by Michael Cera, and Hitler played by Angelie Jolie. Madonna does soundtrack. NUTS HERE! GET YOUR MEDIA-WORN CLICHE NUTS HERE!!!
Why not?
by Mezzanine
Sep 8th, 2008
02:32:24 PM
The right choice for Captain America...
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:32:30 PM
Val Kilmer or Brad Pitt come to mind. You can't cast someone that doesn't fit the Steve Rogers mold. Yes, he has always been drawn as a white dude. Blond hair. Blue eyes. Cap is iconic, you can't change the character like that.
Are you people serious?
by harosa
Sep 8th, 2008
02:33:21 PM
C'mon, people, please get serious. Marvel wouldn't dare piss off core fans with casting like this and Smith wouldn't want to draw attention to him being cast in what is considered a white role. He admitted so after doing it with Wild,Wild West and after supposedly being offered Superman.
Harry, this was speculated back in May.
by Shermdawg
Sep 8th, 2008
02:33:25 PM
And if you think about it, it could work.

Smith's definately not my first choice, but I'm open to the idea.

Although I'd much rather see Dwayne Johnson casted as Superman if we were gonna get a iconic character getting a ethnic makeover.
Philip Seymour Hoffman as MODOK
by Olsen Twins_Fan
Sep 8th, 2008
02:33:28 PM
They wouldn't even need to CGI enlarge his head!
this would be crap
by broken ear
Sep 8th, 2008
02:33:30 PM
I mean really...
by Mezzanine
Sep 8th, 2008
02:33:42 PM
Is it because he's black? What is so "stunt casting" about this? The guy is a great actor, a guaranteed box office success, and could bring the depth to a relatively (at least in the modern years) forgotten about character.
Aaron Eckhart for Steve Rogers
by BiggusDickus
Sep 8th, 2008
02:33:58 PM
You know you want it...
Yes, but Kingpin is a secondary character at best
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:34:12 PM
This is Captain America we're talking about. Why not make Superman Chinese in the next movie?
Enough of the "I'm not racist but..." comments...
by Pdorwick
Sep 8th, 2008
02:34:17 PM
...if you have to preface it that way then you probably are.
Heckles
by Olsen Twins_Fan
Sep 8th, 2008
02:34:40 PM
Have you SEEN Val Kilmer lately? He'd make a better Kingpin than Cap.
Ben Affleck as Shaft
by dumbpeoplesuck
Sep 8th, 2008
02:34:51 PM
Or stop frakking with race and gender in beloved fictional characters. Okay, so it worked with Boomer and Starbuck, but you get the drift. And if you don't, well, stick your head back in the mud. This doesn't concern you.
Whoa, you just fried that dude's bird!
by GrandMuffTarkin
Sep 8th, 2008
02:34:54 PM
Make that....X-Tra Crispy!
A reworking of the origin involving the Tuskegee Airmen...
by Shermdawg
Sep 8th, 2008
02:35:03 PM
...could be fantastic if handled correctly.
My Bet:
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
Sep 8th, 2008
02:35:11 PM
This rumor is a deliberate / harebrained distortion of a rumor that Smith is being considered for the Falcon, along with Aaron Eckhart's his-if-he-wants-it role as Cap himself.
I would rather John fucking Travolta play Caps....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Sep 8th, 2008
02:35:28 PM
FUCK THIS!! AND FUCK ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THIS!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUCK!!!
Hillary Swank as Superman!
by PirateEmery
Sep 8th, 2008
02:35:33 PM
Makes just as much sense...
I wouldn't mind.
by rbatty024
Sep 8th, 2008
02:35:51 PM
Of course, it would change the character somewhat. Captain America is someone who wakes up years later believing that the ideals he fought for in WWII have be abandoned. I think a black Captain American would probably understand that many of those ideals didn't exist in the 1940's either.
maybe Black Vulcan.....
by TRON
Sep 8th, 2008
02:35:55 PM
Pure electricity.... in my pants
re: egg86
by Larry Sellers
Sep 8th, 2008
02:36:56 PM
I don't know if that was directed partially at me or not, but if you read my post you can tell that I'm absolutely not a purist. Also, filmmakers aren't going to drop a big name from the cast just because >1% of the population hates it. Will Smith is an interesting choice...but it's totally unnecessary. Aryan features aren't essential in casting Capt America to me, but why him? I'm just questioning the *possibility* of this. I mean this is just a rumor anyway. From fucking MTV.
But Harry, Captain America is a white man.
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
02:37:18 PM
And so is Nick Fury. Let's not get too revisionist.
Olsen Twins_Fan, actually I haven't
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:37:38 PM
That sucks, always been a Kilmer fan. Guess he let himself go, eh? He is getting up there. And to be honest I don't see Pitt being able to bulk up. I would be down with casting a 'nobody'.
JOHN CENA IN TALKS TO PLAY LUKE CAGE
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
02:37:49 PM
I'm not racist but...
by Larry Sellers
Sep 8th, 2008
02:38:20 PM
I'm not racist. I have a Will Smith mural on my wall.
Read the linked article
by waggy
Sep 8th, 2008
02:38:26 PM
Come on guys, this is complete and utter bullshit just like Cher as Catwoman. This rumor is originating from an MTV interview with Derek Luke who says he "heard they offered the part to Will Smith". Sites like AICN reporting this without telling you the flimsy origin are just going to add fuel to the fire. This isn't Fox or some studio embarrassed by the property who thinks they need a big name to draw people in. Marvel Studios has shown so far that they are committed to being true to the source material and pleasing the fans. I think they've earned some benefit of the doubt when crazy ass rumors like this surface.
I WOULD BE SO ANGRY!!!!
by Cory849
Sep 8th, 2008
02:38:45 PM
...if ya know, I gave two shits about Captain America.

(no I wouldnt. I still wouldn't give a shit)

ps. Jack Black as Green Lantern was a good idea. And yes. I'm serious.
AARON ECKHART TO PLAY BLACK PANTHER
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
02:39:01 PM
Please I hope it's a rumor
by fight the new world order
Sep 8th, 2008
02:39:19 PM
I like Will Smith i think in the right roles he is a very good actor but as Captain America not so much.
Gary Coleman is MODOK!
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
02:39:34 PM
Hahahahaha!!!
Coming soon: Adam Sandler as Black Lightning
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:39:49 PM
You don't mess with the Lightning.
Isiah Bradley maybe. the black captain america
by Cotsos
Sep 8th, 2008
02:40:06 PM
Maybe he was offered the role of Isiah Bradley, from Kyle Baker's Truth mini series, where black soldiers were being treated like test subject in the 40's for the super soldier serum. In that case it would be pretty cool.
In all seriousness
by Cory849
Sep 8th, 2008
02:40:06 PM
Captain America is Matthew McConnahoweveryouspellthis. He was born for the role.
Nic Cage to play Luke Cage
by BiggusDickus
Sep 8th, 2008
02:40:13 PM
In a cage.
Not only don't I want to see him as Cap
by Beezbo
Sep 8th, 2008
02:40:53 PM
I don't want to see him in anything. This news sounds like a joke on "Entourage."
A black man cannot play Captain America
by hst666
Sep 8th, 2008
02:41:20 PM
He was on the front lines and publicly known about in WWII. It may be sad, but there is no way the Military or it's propaganda machine would have made a star of a black man at that time. Maybe if they gave him a mask that hid all his features, or if the movie were a comedy like Blazing Saddles. But otherwise, please be real.

Will Smith could portray the "original" Captain America whose story was told in Truth as the successful black test subject.

"Milky" from Me, Myself, and Irene as THE BLACK PANTHER!
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
02:41:22 PM
He's not sneaking up on a damn thing!
50 Cent as Red Skull
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:41:28 PM
ANTHONY HOPKINS TO PLAY MARTIN LUTHER KING
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
02:41:33 PM
It can work storywise
by Big Jim
Sep 8th, 2008
02:41:38 PM
US Army in 1940s would probably be more willing to use black soldiers as guinea pigs. And Cap, while being accepted as a symbol for America, would find that acceptance lacking for him, as a man, back home. Plus, how much more would it piss off the Red Skull to be bested by a black man?
changing races?
by Bouncy X
Sep 8th, 2008
02:42:06 PM
yeah yeah yeah, they did it with Daredevil but it was still stupid. These are characters people know and see exactly what they look like, changing their races is beyond retarded. If it was simple some character in a book where ethnicity is never mentioned than ok but its a comic book and he's always been drawn as a white man so you cast a white man. they'd never do that to the big ones, why do it to him?
Warwick Davis
by Abominable Snowcone
Sep 8th, 2008
02:42:28 PM
as the vial of super-soldier serum, and he does his own stunts
Warwick Davis to be cast as everyone
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
02:43:00 PM
Do it off broadway. Warwick would be so cute and cuddly as the American hero Cap or the adorable dastardly Red Skull. His acting range is remarkable...much like a toaster.
weird
by DeadPanWalking
Sep 8th, 2008
02:43:09 PM
This would change the whole nature of the character. Not that a black WWII soldier from the past wouldn't make an awesome hero and story, it just doesn't really jibe with the Captain America mythos.
he-he-he
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
02:43:32 PM
Abom knows what I'm talking about!
...as Isaiah Bradley
by Alex Wilder
Sep 8th, 2008
02:43:49 PM
Read the "Truth" mini people, there was another Captain America (actually, don't read it, it wasn't that great. Just look it up). I'd be down for it if he played Isaiah, since he was the precursor to Steve Rogers. The problem with a Black Cap as the Captain America that was a hero of WW2 is that black soldiers weren't so celebrated back then. In "Truth" the Black Super Soldier experiments were kept under wraps. And NiceGuyEddie, let's not bring black Nick Fury into this. There is a black Fury in the Ultimate Universe, so it's not like that was just out of nowhere casting.
I like Will Smith
by Mr. Profit
Sep 8th, 2008
02:44:04 PM
And I'm sure he can play Captain America as he always shows dedication physically with Action Roles. But I don't really want him as Captain America. Now if the alternative is someone stupid, or some gay overrated kid from a CW show or "Friday Night Lights", then I'd rather see Smith. But I think that a guy that can pull it off based on his physique and looks is Eddie Cibrian from Invasion.
Easy to do
by Fred
Sep 8th, 2008
02:44:05 PM
Army "experiments" with the drug on colored servicemen before using it on whites.
The costume is what people recognize more IMO
by Larry Sellers
Sep 8th, 2008
02:44:43 PM
I seriously doubt anyone would care if Will Smith played him. How else would the general public give a shit? I guess I just answered the question I asked a while ago...
Cory849- I hear you, but...
by Heckles
Sep 8th, 2008
02:45:30 PM
Can you see McConaughey delivering the dialogue? "All right, all right, all right. Super Soldier formula makes me feel tribal, man. Hey, Red Skull, you ought to ditch the Nazi's you're hanging with, go the American way. But that's all right, we'll worry about that later. You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N."
Ohhhh...Fuck.This.
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
02:47:35 PM
How about Tom Jane for Cap? Anyone? Brad Pitt would've been PERFECT..7 years ago. Anyone else for Brad Beyer from JERICHO? See here: http://tiny url.com/5hl6a6
Might be in it but I doubt he's Steve Rogers
by jccalhoun
Sep 8th, 2008
02:47:47 PM
Will might be offered the part of Isaiah Bradly or Falcon but I don't see Marvel (they are in charge of the Cap movie like they were with Iron Man, right?) changing things like this.
CAPTAIN AFRICAN-AMERICA?!?!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
02:48:12 PM
With Shia as Bucky!!
Jaleel White as Peter Parker
by Larry Sellers
Sep 8th, 2008
02:48:18 PM
Denzel in his heyday, possibly
by terry1978
Sep 8th, 2008
02:48:26 PM
I would have bought that more than Smith. Denzel seems to have that Capt. America attitude about him, especially the Ultimates version.
doesnt make sense
by BMacSmith
Sep 8th, 2008
02:48:51 PM
Also...The Wachowski's should direct this.
by Mr. Profit
Sep 8th, 2008
02:49:03 PM
Make it a kick ass period flick with great action and have them only direct not write. Also Anne Hathaway for Wonder Woman. She already has 5 100 million + movies under her belt.
monkeyofdoom
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
02:49:19 PM
yeah, back in the 40's, I think black Americans were generally more hopeful and more optimistic than they are now. Ironic, isn't it? I don't think present day black culture is very proud of America.
Does this mean Super Brother Serum?
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Sep 8th, 2008
02:50:36 PM
Inquiring minds want to know!
Probably BS... but it could work
by acamp
Sep 8th, 2008
02:50:39 PM
Maybe work in some of the Red, White and Black storyline... he was (unwittingly) the first super-soldier... It sure would make the pic seem a lot less jingoistic. Maybe have two Caps - one Steve Rogers, the other Isaiah Bradly... and Rogers gets all the credit. Address the race issue. Something like that.
The Good Burger guys as Batman & Robin!
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
02:50:54 PM
It's da Bat signizzle, yo!
For the first time
by maddox
Sep 8th, 2008
02:51:03 PM
in my adult life, I am proud of Captain America.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
by wash
Sep 8th, 2008
02:51:32 PM
No.
BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Orionsangels
Sep 8th, 2008
02:52:37 PM
Stop casting will smith in white roles. they ruined wild wild west that way. who the hell still likes will smith? at this point he's burt reynolds in 1984. washed up.
I GOT YOUR SUPER SOLDIER SERUM RIGHT HERE, BIOTCH!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
02:53:18 PM
*Grabs cock n balls*
Stunt Casting?
by Lloytron
Sep 8th, 2008
02:53:29 PM
Lets go the whole hog. Captain America should be played by Halle Berry.

In fact if they wanted to go for real Stunt Casting they should get Eddie Murphy. He could also play The Green Lantern, Braniac, Superman, Hulk, etc all in individual movies and have the mother of all cross over movies later on.

As shit as this sounds, it can't be any worse than Meet Dave

I think the only thing better...
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
02:54:46 PM
...than addressing the race issue in a Captain America movie, is NOT addressing the race issue in a Captain America movie.

Seriously, is Spike Lee directing?

Will Smith is a PERFECT Captain America.
by HoboCode
Sep 8th, 2008
02:54:51 PM
You racist fucks just can't stand the idea a black man playing the character.
Didn't Smith play Captain America already?
by Xiphos_2
Sep 8th, 2008
02:54:53 PM
In I Am Iegend?
Captain African-America- Classic name
by harosa
Sep 8th, 2008
02:55:25 PM
Captain African-America- Classic name bringingsexyback.
Will Smith in White face?
by erichaislar
Sep 8th, 2008
02:55:39 PM
Just a thought?
It Could Work
by A-COD
Sep 8th, 2008
02:55:42 PM
They can get DJ Jazzy Jeff as Buckey
Man, if Will Smith thought black people called him a sellout bef
by harosa
Sep 8th, 2008
02:57:31 PM
They'd ring that shit from the rafters now.
As long as the story still begins in WWII...
by StarWarsRedux
Sep 8th, 2008
02:58:49 PM
...why couldn't Will Smith play Steve Rogers? Granted, his most recent performances don't really suggest he's interested in imbuing any role with the kind of gravitas that Cap requires, but go back and look at some of his less laugh-a-riffic roles, and you'll see that Smith is at the very least capable of playing a more subdued, restrained lead. If the Will Smith of "Six Degrees of Separation" is the Will Smith of "Captain America", it might be a bold, invigorating choice. If it's the Will Smith of "I, Robot", however, then yeah, we're screwed.
It's not working
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
02:58:51 PM
In it's core, the character supposed to lead a happy all American life in the 40's, when he didn't see the dark side of American life, the only evil he saw was oversees: the war. This mindset just doesn't fit for a black man from the 40's. Except if they change the origin from WW2, which would fuck the whole thing up - I think Cap has the best origin ever, and I'm a European. And even if there wasn't a problem, Smith fucks up every movie he's in. he's a good actor but a huge sellout, and every adaptation he's in is distorted to suit his persona. I robot, I am legend, Wild Wild West even Men In Black.
Shut up, Pdorwick.
by TheRealRatigan
Sep 8th, 2008
03:00:30 PM
It's only because of politically correct dickhats like you that anyone has to make sure they say "I'm not racist" before voicing their opinion that maybe casting a 40 year old black dude as a 20 year old blonde-haired, blue-eyed World War II U.S.A. propoganda poster boy isn't the best way to do the character justice.
The best of the best of the best, SIR!
by Kevin Holsinger
Sep 8th, 2008
03:02:58 PM
With honors.

Sorry, but I didn't see anybody else make Smith's "Men in Black" reference to Captain America.
Relax White Boys...could be playing Isiah Bradley
by brycebishop
Sep 8th, 2008
03:03:29 PM
This could be Marvel using a big star playing Isiah Bradley to set up Steve Rodgers as Cap. That way they can cast a lesser known actor who may be right for the part
HoboCode
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
03:03:54 PM
I am black & a longtime Cap fan. I hate the Aryan, blonde, blue-eyed hero archetype. Cap has always been, in my mind, the singular exception to that rule. Will Smith portraying Cap would be like putting a mustache on Batman.
Why can't a black man be Cap?
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:03:57 PM
Lemme guess? A black man can't be president? Oh wait...
Only if they go with "Truth:Red White and Black"
by irrelevntelefant
Sep 8th, 2008
03:04:34 PM
otherwise, "Hells na!"
And here come the racists...
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:05:13 PM
meh to the meh
by fartedinthefaceofhollywood
Sep 8th, 2008
03:05:16 PM
well i was gonna miss this anyway, not a CA fan....now i can MISS THE SHIT OUT OF IT
Wasn't the black character Isaiah Bradley Captain America before
by Pdorwick
Sep 8th, 2008
03:05:18 PM
...oh, and TheRealRatigan: nice come back with the "shut up"; you sound like Bill O'Reilly, except even more pathetic.
At least get Kimbo Slice!!!!!!
by Turd Furgeson
Sep 8th, 2008
03:05:37 PM
Now that fucker should be Blactain America! Red Skull would just hide in a corner and cry if he came looking for him.....
With all due respect to Will...
by Hagakure
Sep 8th, 2008
03:06:10 PM
...Isn't he a little too old to be playing someone who was supposed to be a soldier on the front line of WWII? As I recall, Cap COULDN'T get into the army when he applied because of his health, which means that he had to be of drafting age. I am not too sure drafting age for the front lines would have included a man in his mid-forties.
I originally thought "horrible idea" but it could work
by Cotton McKnight
Sep 8th, 2008
03:07:01 PM
All I want is for it to be played "straight". Think I, Robot and I am Legend, not Independence Day and Hancock.
You know what
by TomHooligan
Sep 8th, 2008
03:09:15 PM
At first i was completely against the idea, but he more i think about it, it could actually work... wait, sorry, changed my mind again, shit idea. I just had a flash of the captain america suit on him and it just doesnt seem right for Cap to be black. It's like getting Vince Vaughn to play Shaft. Its just not cricket. Still a big Will Smith fan though.
It would have a bit of a racist subtext though.
by CatVutt
Sep 8th, 2008
03:09:31 PM
Someone up there wrote "US Army in 1940s would probably be more willing to use black soldiers as guinea pigs". I think that's the real problem with casting Smith or any African American in the role. You're adding an element of racism to the equation that shouldn't be inherent in the character.
...HELL...NO.
by Disgustipitated
Sep 8th, 2008
03:09:38 PM
No fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way...hell no, fuck no, shit no. If they do this, then FUCK MARVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
i got an idea
by fartedinthefaceofhollywood
Sep 8th, 2008
03:09:42 PM
Javier Bardem for Captain America, just send him to a reversa-tan-salon and give him blue contacts....good to go
"The First Avenger" is the name of the movie, right?
by JusticeSabre
Sep 8th, 2008
03:10:04 PM
I think it's actually a good idea to take the "T:RWB" story and weave it into the Steve Rogers story.

Today's US is much different compared to the US during the time of Cap's conception. I personally think it'd make for better storytelling to include the negatives of life in the US during that time period.

If anything, it'd show that the US is not perfect, and that we have a long, long way to go to achieve that.

Plus, Will Smith is fucking money in the bank on July 4th. Having a great Will Smith-starring "Captain America" flick on July 4th 2010 is a recipe for success.
Will Smith to play... with his balls
by Darth Sticky
Sep 8th, 2008
03:10:08 PM
FUCK THIS SHIT. I originally thought "bad idea" and I'm sticking with it. Fuck Will Smith.
Wild Wild West
by Grinning White Skull
Sep 8th, 2008
03:10:13 PM
'nuff said.
Who is going to play Captain Marvel?
by Cotton McKnight
Sep 8th, 2008
03:10:17 PM
Can we get a BUZZKILL on this?
by TheRealRatigan
Sep 8th, 2008
03:10:38 PM
And pre-experiment Steve Rogers should be played by somebody we've never seen before. The best way to play into his origin as a below average nobody who transforms into the perfect specimen. After his transformation, Captain America should be played by a different actor. And we need to face the fact that everyone's favorite stars for the role are just too old now, whether you're talking about Brad Pitt, Aaron Eckhart or even Matt Damon. An unknown with the talent to go with the look will carry this story in the most effective way.
Nick Fury
by Disgustipitated
Sep 8th, 2008
03:12:19 PM
I grew up with the original Nick Fury, the cigar chomping WWII vet. So, I was obviously thrown when they changed him, but you know I like Sam Jackson and I thought he was a perfect choice for Nick Fury. Will Smith...I like him...but I think that Cap would end up a joke.
If done, it is purely a "drawing" card casting
by Mr. Wayne
Sep 8th, 2008
03:13:10 PM
Regardless of the word "racist" being thrown around and bantied about by some, objecting to Will Smith in this role (which I believe will never happen) does not make one a racist. It makes one, most likely, a purist. Captain America is white, has been for nearly 70 years. The characters history is that of a skinny white man becoming a champion for his country. Thats it. 99.9 percent of anyone who objects is objecting based on this idea. I can tell you this, if actually cast, he will most likely be playing Isiah Bradley, the black test subject that came before the white Steve Rogers. If he is actually cast as Capt. America it will be to draw as much attention to the film as possible, setting it up for what they believe will be big box office bank. They will be wrong, as backlash will sink the ship. In this day and age a stunt like this is really poorly thought out, again, if it is anywhere near true, and I don't believe for one second that it is. That would be like currently casting Brad Pitt for the role of Othello when you have dozens of more than qualified black actors to play the role. Or like casting Leonardo DiCaprio to play Anne Frank in a film. Its BS. Don't believe the hype.
No Will
by stlfilmwire
Sep 8th, 2008
03:13:43 PM
No way.
"It would have a bit of a racist subtext though."
by JusticeSabre
Sep 8th, 2008
03:14:01 PM
@ CatVutt: Um... There WAS racism back then, you know. Legal, even.

You can't gloss over it or sugar coat it. And if anything, seeing a Black American step up and defend his country (The very country that oppresses HIM) against one that would not only oppress him, but exterminate him if possible? THAT is a story of TRUE PATRIOTISM.

And THAT is the type of story you wanna have behind Captain America.
Reality Check
by Thot
Sep 8th, 2008
03:14:07 PM
The sad reality is that, during WWII, black soldiers were organized into separate units due to the overt racist attitudes and ideas that permeated American culture in the 40's. That the top-secret super-soldier experiment would have been conducted on a black man would make no sense and would clash with what is known historically. Will Smith for Black Panther or maybe Green Lantern but not a chance for Captain America.
JusticeSabre
by CatVutt
Sep 8th, 2008
03:16:01 PM
I'm not saying it wouldn't make an interesting story. But it's NOT an element of the Captain America mythos. What you're describing is another character entirely.
Also, Will seems to go around all properties I like
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
03:16:57 PM
I robot, I am Legend and now Cap. How will they fit in enough advertisements in a WW2 epic to afford him? Will young Stever Rogers dream of converse shoes?
Who gives a shit?!?
by ATARI
Sep 8th, 2008
03:17:04 PM
As long as I get Watchmen next year.
Maybe he is going to be Isiah Bradley...
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:18:28 PM
Or whatever the fuck they retconned the "first" Captain America to be.
Falcon maybe?
by telecomplainer
Sep 8th, 2008
03:18:43 PM
Unless they misquoted and he is actually Falcon i can see absolutely no way of this being true.
...ahem...
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:18:45 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:19:06 PM
Will Smith = A Pretty Awesome FALCON
by Darth Sticky
Sep 8th, 2008
03:19:07 PM
Give Him FALCON for crying out loud!! Don't fuck this up Marvel... Will Smith is NOT Cap!!!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:19:26 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:19:42 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:19:56 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:20:14 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:20:33 PM
That is all.
by Specktron
Sep 8th, 2008
03:20:51 PM
Smith did ok in "I Am Legend"...
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:21:15 PM
He atleast showed he could do a seriously obsessed man in it. I can see some of that in Cap, but I just don't see Smith in it, unless he is Falcon or Bradley.
Isn't Eckhart the same age as Smith?
by Mr. Profit
Sep 8th, 2008
03:21:28 PM
So why would people suggest him and then say Smith is too old?
Maybe he's the first Cap...
by fiester
Sep 8th, 2008
03:21:52 PM
The one they tried the experiment on first before the white guy who eventually became Cap.
Nope
by Brians Life
Sep 8th, 2008
03:22:03 PM
That's all...just "nope".

Oh, and this is for the guy who said he wanted to see The Rock play SUPERMAN.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHA!
Fiester....
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:22:42 PM
Isiah Bradley is who you are thnking of. I think.
I'd Go w/Will Smith as Captain America!
by Mr Slippy Fist
Sep 8th, 2008
03:23:23 PM
"THAT'S RIGHT! Thats what you get! Look at you, ship all banged up! WHO'S THE MAN? HUH? WHO'S THE MAN? Wait until I get another plane! I am going to lower your friends RIGHT BESIDE YOU!" With dialog like that, how the hell would this movie not be the shit?
NO! WRONG! STOP!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
03:24:13 PM
If you're doing the black Captain America, fine, that was a great comic. But you're not. You're doing Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers is white. Cast Eckhart or Matt Damon. Thanks.
The Rock needs to be available to play
by Big Jim
Sep 8th, 2008
03:24:21 PM
Kraven the Hunter in Spider-man 4. And Clint Howard as Mindworm.
It's just a matter of time....
by Brians Life
Sep 8th, 2008
03:24:35 PM
...before some moron comes in and claims that merely discussing the possibility that Will Smith can't play the role is racist.

It's been said best above...Will Smith as Captain America is like Batman having a mustache.

It's certainly stunt casting due to the initial shock of the casting...DERP!

I can't even deal with you mouthbreathers today...
Why is it "stunt casting"? Cause he's black?
by RobotDevil007
Sep 8th, 2008
03:24:43 PM
I mean, other than that he doesn't have the same skin color as the fictitious Steve Rogers... I can't think of a better actor for cap. Who cares if he's black... i mean, unless one believes there was some literary significance to Steve Rogers being drawn as an aryan poster boy... why isn't Will Smith dream casting for this?
Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TheDudeinLA
Sep 8th, 2008
03:24:49 PM
Stupidest thing I have ever heard!
This could work...
by stvnhthr
Sep 8th, 2008
03:25:21 PM
As long as they get Robert Downey Jr.'s makeup guy from Tropic of Thunder and allow Will to play it in "white face."
Better than John Cena?
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:25:32 PM
I won't go to see this.
by Hervoyel
Sep 8th, 2008
03:25:48 PM
Will Smith is not "Steve Rogers" and never will be. For the record I had no problem with casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and I had no problem with Michael Duncan Clark being cast as Kingpin. Both of those actors might have been a different race than the character in the comics but both of them also were able to completely convey the character they were playing. Will Smith is never going to be Steve Rogers in a million years. They might as well cast John Goodman as Black Panther. That's about how close Will Smith is to being Captain America.
No,no,no,no,no,NO!!!!!
by Drip
Sep 8th, 2008
03:26:30 PM
OK...it has to be drastic to get me to post, and this is drastic. W.S. is alright but to fill Cap's shoes? WTF?!? Why do things have to be so F'ing PC?!? I am about diversity but sheesh, you do not mess with a classic. Why Will Smith? Why not Chow yung Phat?...c'mon
Perfect example...
by RobotDevil007
Sep 8th, 2008
03:26:42 PM
@mrwhite - "...objecting to Will Smith in this role (which I believe will never happen) does not make one a racist. It makes one, most likely, a purist. Captain America is white, has been for nearly 70 years." But unless you explain why it's significant that he's white in comic books... then you are a racist as youre objecting to the actor because he's the wrong race.
People really need to gt over this race shit...
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:27:36 PM
If the spirit of the character is still intact, who gives a fuck what color the character is? Keep in mind, it's not the first time Will has played a character who was originally white? Jim West anyone?
This rumor just got me tired
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 8th, 2008
03:28:12 PM
worse than will smith as peter parker
the difference between the casting of Fury and Kingpin is
by irrelevntelefant
Sep 8th, 2008
03:29:08 PM
you don't have to completely re-write the history of the character in order to cast against the character in the comic books.

For Cap, you would not only have to re-write the comic book character, but also re-write American history (unless there was a civil rights movement in the 30's and the government covered it up)

Hervoyel...
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:29:12 PM
Comparing Will Smith to John Goodman is a lil extreme no?
Will Smiff as George Custer!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:29:34 PM
Marvel themselves made Nick Fury a black person in the comics! S
by The Biomind
Sep 8th, 2008
03:29:43 PM
There are more black people than white people in the u.s. military. Smith would be a great Captain America. And Marvel themselves made the Nick Fury an african-american for their ultimate line of comics. Why not change color of skin for a movie? Will Smith might be the only way to sell a movie entitled CAPTAIN AMERICA outside the U.S. anyway.
Will Smith??
by One Nation Under Zod
Sep 8th, 2008
03:29:54 PM
Isn't he that black rapper?
Matt Damon as Black Panther!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:29:59 PM
So lemme get this straight.....
by Brians Life
Sep 8th, 2008
03:30:25 PM
If you object to an actor portraying a comic book role because they don't look ANYTHING like the character you've known and loved.....you're a racist?
DJ Qualls as Luke Cage!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:30:36 PM
Tuskegee Airmen Experiments
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:31:20 PM
The miniseries Truth showed us that the government would be more likely to test out the SS Serum on a black man than on their white soldiers So how would it be re-writing history?
I thought that Jennifer Garner was a shitty choice...
by Brians Life
Sep 8th, 2008
03:31:32 PM
...for Elektra. MOSTLY due to her look...is that still being racist?
It just doesn't fit.
by Luscious.868
Sep 8th, 2008
03:31:44 PM
There was a lot of racism during WWII when Captain America was injected with the super soldier serum. A black Captain America won't fly if it takes place then. Now if they wanted to update the character and make this all occur in modern times then you could do a black Captain American but Will Smith wouldn't work. He'd be Will Smith like he is in every movie and not Captain America.
SHORT ROUND AS CAPTAIN AMELICA!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
03:32:29 PM
Andy Lau as Bucky!
Jackie Chan as Captain America
by Trachten
Sep 8th, 2008
03:33:00 PM
Chris Tucker as the Falcon.
RobotDevil007
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
03:33:07 PM
Captain America is WW2 propaganda came to life in modern times. He's a legend - more recruitment tool than hero. The face of world war 2. The dream of the nazis, fighting on the side of the angels, proving their cause wrong. If we say a black man could be all that in the 40's, if we say America would've welcomed Cap with open arms if he was black, you turn your back on the rampant racism in first part of the century. Even if they somehow shoehorn a black Steve Rogers into the story, then the character comes from a completely different place. Then he'll be a man who saw the dark side of the American dream, instead of a naive, idealist, looser white boy who got a chance to become a hero, and is later conflicted by the true nature of the country he serves. "Being black" would have to completely change his personality.
I guess Clint Eastwood won't be directing...
by Cagliostro
Sep 8th, 2008
03:33:13 PM
...if it's gonna be a period piece.
DJ Qualls as Luke Cage!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:33:21 PM
Anything else is racist! Why shouldn't the toughest black man in the Marvel Universe not be played by the whitest boy on the silver screen today?
BLAKE LIVELY AS WONDER WOMAN!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
03:34:23 PM
I'm in lurrve with her ...
Didn't Cap go through a perios where he
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:34:56 PM
felt guilty about the fight for civil rights back in the 60's? Howdafuck is Smiff gonna be able to do that?
Nope sorry that would be terrible
by BLWiseass
Sep 8th, 2008
03:34:59 PM
Marvel knows better, this is just a dumb rumor. I hope.
Molly Ringwald as Luke Cage!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:35:57 PM
I guess there's not enough political discussion
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 8th, 2008
03:36:35 PM
going on in the OTHER talkbacks that Harry has to introduce this piece of speculative nonsense to make sure the ideological fires stay lit.

My god, it seems like National Review Online spends more time talking about Star Trek, Lost, etc. than this place does sometimes.

i dont mind him being black....
by Obscura
Sep 8th, 2008
03:37:05 PM
... i just dont want him to be will smith. Captain America isn't a sarcastic smart arse, he's a soldier.... hes a noble hero. he's one step down from Obi-wan.
Will Smiff as Miss Havisham!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:37:38 PM
"Ben Affleck as Shaft"
by bigbaldpapa
Sep 8th, 2008
03:37:46 PM
ROFL. That makes about as much sense as Will Smith for Captain America doesn't it?
Race Issues = More interesting Plot
by TSquared
Sep 8th, 2008
03:38:40 PM
I'm a black man and a huge Marvel Comics fan and I love the idea of Wil Smith as the "Original" Isaiah Bradely Cap. It's in continuity and I was so proud of Marvel for doing the Truth storyline. Now if they want to mess with continuity and say that Isaiah was frozen for the Avengers movies what ever, the movies are the movies. Now I do think it would make an interesting concept to make a movie that says that the whole "White" Cap Mythos was an elaborate Propoganda scheme and the only Cap ever was always black. Either way the Race Issue that was highly prevelant in WWII makes the film step out of the 2 dimensional Comic realm and break onto a new interesting Dark Knight esque level.
DJ
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:38:52 PM
QUALLS
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:39:01 PM
AS
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:39:09 PM
LUKE
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:39:22 PM
CAGE!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:39:32 PM
Wait wait wait...
by Harold-Sherbort
Sep 8th, 2008
03:39:37 PM
..black people read comics? nah. nah. just kiddin. As long as there's room for Stephen Colbert, I don't give a fuck who plays Captain America. America is made up of all different kinds of folks.
Im all for Aaron Eckhart
by BrightEyes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:40:00 PM
100 percent! but Will Smith wouldn't be the end of the world.
black Cap = black Bond
by The Dum Guy
Sep 8th, 2008
03:40:04 PM
It doesn't fit.
Goddamnit, Yobo
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:41:06 PM
Stay out of my way!!!
This would be the worst decision that Marvel
by porterdsgn
Sep 8th, 2008
03:41:12 PM
could ever make. Don't hire someone just to fill the seats. Make sure he fits the character. Ala, Downey Jr.
John McCain as Capt America...
by Alonzo Mosely
Sep 8th, 2008
03:42:37 PM
Sarah Palin as Bucky... It could work, and with any luck they will have very free schedules around filming time...
If Sam Jackson is Nick Fury ....
by cowboyone
Sep 8th, 2008
03:43:49 PM
Then why not? Will Smith ALWAYS delivers. Personally I always wanted to see Neal McDonough in the Cap role, but Brad Pitt would probably be GREAT. I don't think Matthew McConnaghey could pull it off (that southern drawl kills it for me) Eckhart could probably do it ... but he's a little FLAT.
It's a great idea.
by mr.brownstone
Sep 8th, 2008
03:43:52 PM
That's my gut reaction.
Vin Diesel as Power man
by Rufferto
Sep 8th, 2008
03:43:56 PM
And Sigourney Weaver as Storm. You'd all like that, right? What's that? No? What are you? racist?
Hey changing the lead character's race worked for Wild Wild West
by DrunkenBusboy
Sep 8th, 2008
03:44:30 PM
Oh wait a minute..............On second thought stirke that! :( But think of the cool soundtrack Willie will make for the movie! Bottom line is don't mess with pop culture icons that people are willing to pay to see. That's why people make movies based on Icons that people hold dear to make money off that memory! So give the imagery that people want!
"They offered him Captain America..."
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:44:38 PM
and I nearly fell out of my fucking chair.
stunt casting, like Sara Palin?
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Sep 8th, 2008
03:44:42 PM
yeah, that is annoying.
Jet Li would be better
by Banditmania
Sep 8th, 2008
03:45:09 PM
Ha!
Rufferto,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:45:13 PM
GEORGIA REP. LYNN WESTMORELAND AS THE RED SKULL!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
03:45:52 PM
Perfect.
Rufferto,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:46:05 PM
Power Man is Luke Cage's alter ego, and we have already decided DJ Qualls will be playing him. So just stop now...
HOLY MISCAST BATMAN!
by Yamato
Sep 8th, 2008
03:46:06 PM
That is the stupidest thing I've heard. Don't they remember "Wild Wild West"?
MATT DAMON AS THE BLACK PANTHER!!!!!
by WX1
Sep 8th, 2008
03:46:41 PM

Yeah, how 'bout that? Matt Damon as T'Challa, how 'bout that? OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Doesn't f*&kin' SOUND TOO RIGHT, DOES IT?!!? Hold on, I got another one -- how 'bout Antonio Bandaras as Power Man (Luke Cage) -- OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Doesn't SOUND TOO RIGHT, DOES IT!!!????

Keep the characters who they are, for Pete's sake!!!! I mean, if Richard Gere was to portray W.E.B. DuBois, THERE'D A PROBLEM, RIGHT????

F*&k Smith in this role. What? He gotta be in EVERY movie?

And a black Bond is bad how..?
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:47:34 PM
Seriously people, get over yourselves.
WX1,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:48:06 PM
AGAIN, DJ QUALLS IS LUKE CAGE!! STOP WITH ALL YOUR "STUNT CASTING" WITH BANDARAS IN THE ROLE!!!
Could Work...
by AragornElfstone
Sep 8th, 2008
03:49:16 PM
In a cheesy way. Isaiah is the first "Cap" but doesn't see the point in fighting after Steve gets the serum. He becomes sort of a recluse. Cap gets frozen, gets de-thawed, a worldwide threat comes around in two different places. Steve finds Isaiah and they team up to take down the threat. Cheezy, I know, but it would work for most of the movie-going crowd.
Smith is waay to old to play Cap
by MasterShake
Sep 8th, 2008
03:49:36 PM
Cap was a young recruit, maybe 20 at most. Smith is just too old. Not to mention that other thing.
Neal McDonough as Cap
by cowboyone
Sep 8th, 2008
03:49:40 PM
I'm tellin' you. He could pull it off!
I'd rather see him cast as Andy Capp...
by Ultron ver 2.0
Sep 8th, 2008
03:49:41 PM
...that lovable hard-drinkin', wife beatin' barfly. With orange stained fingers, of course. WELCOME TO EARF, GUV'NOR!!!!
Gives us TODAY a black Captain American!
by Underdogthe3rd
Sep 8th, 2008
03:49:47 PM
Denny Crane.
Rhianna as Wonder Woman!!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:49:50 PM
And here everyone thought CRACK was outta favor...
by conspiracy
Sep 8th, 2008
03:50:00 PM
But sure enough SOMEONE is still sucking the glass dick when they floated THAT name out there for Capt. America.
There is no racist subtext in the Captain America origin
by Ye Not Guilty
Sep 8th, 2008
03:50:03 PM
Casting a black person as Captain America would completely change the character. Will Smith could cameo as Isaiah Bradley, but that is all. Otherwise you have to completely change Cap's origin story. And while I am a bit tired of superhero films where the origin takes up most of the running time, I am sure at least some of Cap's origin will be told in the first film, even if only in flashbacks. In short, there is no way Cap can be black without completely changing the character.
FIddy Cent as Jonah Hex!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:50:40 PM
Who'd be the RDJ equivalent for Cap?
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
03:50:47 PM
Captain America is Robert Redford circa Jeremiah Johnson. That's the model Marvel should be going by.
Vigilance Mr Worf-
by NormanFell
Sep 8th, 2008
03:50:51 PM
I'd rather see Stan Lee play Steve Rogers. Let Will do "wacky" cameos.
I always thought...
by skiprat1
Sep 8th, 2008
03:51:05 PM
... Woody Harrelson, muscled up, haired up, cleaned up, would have made a good Cap. Would need to work on the voice a bit though, Woody's doesn't sound quite right somehow....
Remake Cheech and Chong with
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
03:51:53 PM
Liam Neeson and Billy Connolly!
I'm not a Earist...
by Alonzo Mosely
Sep 8th, 2008
03:52:20 PM
But Captain America has small ears...
Anyone trying to justify this is an asshole
by slone13
Sep 8th, 2008
03:53:23 PM
Would any of you have thought making Bruce Wayne an African American a good idea? I didn't think so. Why would you change the race of the character just for the fuck of it? It's assinine.
Will Smith could work if...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
03:53:29 PM
...he plays a Captain America 2. As in the original Cap from WWII died in battle, and the U.S. gov't revives the Super Soldier project using a black guy, Let's face it, Will Smith has become one of our biggest box office stars and nearly an American icon, nearly as American as Mickey Mouse and apple pie. He's also a proven serious dramatic actor. I could see it. Definitely. Remember, Steve Rogers, the white Captain America, is dead. He died in WWII, and was assasinated recently. Captain America is dead. We live in a new era now. A black man may be our next president. If Captain America is to be reborn, I vote that he be reborn as a black American, and who better than WIll SMith?
“just shows you how times have changed.”
by kafka07
Sep 8th, 2008
03:55:06 PM
WTF this actor Derek Luke thinks that casting for Capt. America is a civil rights issue?? Ok so Nick Fury was white in the comics but Sam Jackson has the attitude for playing Fury, plus I think there is more flexibility with Fury because he's not as big a character as CA. Smith I am of sick of in action movies, even though he's a good dramatic actor. The race issue would make an interesting WW2 story but I'm really more interested in seeing the original material portrayed. Why don't we have a white guy play Shaft in another remake?
At least he'll give the guy some personality
by MattmanReturns
Sep 8th, 2008
03:55:22 PM
which Captain America never had.
olga kurylenko as captain america!
by alice 13
Sep 8th, 2008
03:56:16 PM
anna paquin as bucky. fuck this racist shit.
OPRAH WINFREY AS SUPERGIRL!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
03:56:24 PM
Great talkback!
Rick Moranis as Will Smith as Captian America
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 8th, 2008
03:56:33 PM
Rick Moranis + anything = $$$
I dig it
by CrazyGnome
Sep 8th, 2008
03:57:18 PM
But weren't the WWII units segregated? So would the Winter Soldier also be black? I think it would be cool, and more people will watch the movie getting us that much closer to Avengers.
90% of the population has no idea who Capt America is...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
03:58:06 PM
The character is a blank slate, especially now that he's dead. What was most important about the character was the red,white, and blue, and his basic American ideals.

Only fanboys know who Capt. America is anyway. Hell, Iron Man is more generally known than Cap is. But everybody knows who Will SMith is. Want to put Cap in the spotlight, put Will Smith in the red, white, and blue...

Whoever they cast, the age will be a problem
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
03:58:45 PM
according to his origin, he's gotta be in his early twenties - tops. (Since he has to be a young recruit, it's not as fluid as other hero ages). In that case some young guy with gravitas, like Jensen Ackles could work. but can you see someone like that order around Robert Downey Jr. in later films? In people's mind Cap is at least in hid 30's. How the fuck will they do this?
RELAX !!!
by medicinaluser
Sep 8th, 2008
03:58:48 PM
They are just trying to deflect the Pharoh casting, thats all this is. Wont happen trust me.
Rhianna as Julie Andrews in The Sound of Music remake
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 8th, 2008
03:59:32 PM
This reeks of shit, unless he is a different Captian America.
And like i said...Will Smith topic=
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
03:59:37 PM
AICN Racists come out in force. Im done with this site. Latino Review for me!
if you cast will smith as cap
by GavinVanDraven
Sep 8th, 2008
04:00:42 PM
you dishonor what black people have fought for. it is like saying the civil rights movement never happened. in WW2 a black soldier was not the face of the U.S. military, he was an unsung hero. it would be like setting a period piece film in the 1800's Georgia and showing no racism at all. it is pretending it didnt happen that would be racist.... it is not racist to say a black man cant be Cap.
What about that guy from Sons of Anarchy?
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 8th, 2008
04:01:03 PM
The main character is young enough.
if there was no WW2 backstory
by GavinVanDraven
Sep 8th, 2008
04:01:55 PM
then yes, will could be cap. but otherwise, there is no argument to be made
Captain America as a Barack Obama metaphor...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
04:03:02 PM
That's how I see it. In the Marvel Universe, Captain America is bigger than life. If Marvel wants Cap to be bigger than life in the movies, than he should be played by a bigger than life star. Will Smith fits the bill.

Barack Obama. Will Smith. Captain America. I'm liking the idea more and more...

Josh Hartnett as Cap.
by MasterShake
Sep 8th, 2008
04:03:27 PM
He's the most obvious choice.
There's Nothing Racist About Hating this D-Bag
by MasterBateman
Sep 8th, 2008
04:04:15 PM
Will Smith is an annoying piece of shit. You Fresh Prince apologists need to face the music and realize that he's a movie star not an actor. He's not in this for the art, he's in it for the paycheck and the clout to be able to play "hide the salami" with butt buddies like Tom Cruise and David Beckham. I hope to god this loser isn't Captain America. Frankly, I'm not too worried because this smells like bullshit to me. So Derek Luke heard this and nobody else? Frankly, I doubt that Jon Favreau, RDJ, or anyone else involved with the Marvel movies would go for this kind of horseshit. Seriously, this was the most vile thing I've heard all day.
Michael C Hall as Cap
by GavinVanDraven
Sep 8th, 2008
04:04:53 PM
dye his hair blond, blue contacts. he is an extraordinary actor, has a great build, can play multiple roles at the same time. he goes from downright creepy at times to loveable, to funny to heroic... he probably has the best range of any actor on television. this would be a breakout role for him.
are you guys all stupid?
by v1cious
Sep 8th, 2008
04:05:26 PM
the original Captain America was black.
If any of you actually bothered to read the article...
by bibble 3000
Sep 8th, 2008
04:06:11 PM
you'd see that it was 3rd party (at least) heresay, and that Derek Luke was saying Will Smith was offered 'Captain America' refererring to the movie, most likely as The Falcon
AL SHARPTON AS HAWKGIRL!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
04:06:28 PM
Bawk!
no WWE guys either
by GavinVanDraven
Sep 8th, 2008
04:07:08 PM
Cap shouldnt be a meathead. thats Thor. Mike O' Hearn from American Gladiators has the look for thor.
I AM JACK being a bag of douche!
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
04:07:24 PM
Shocker!
JUST LET CRACKERS BLOW SOME STEAM ...
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
04:07:29 PM
This'll be over by Thursday.
And if you think this is racist...
by MasterBateman
Sep 8th, 2008
04:07:47 PM
Go fuck yourself. We're talking about Will "hell nawwww" Smith here. It's not like Don Cheadle is rumored to step into the roles. But while we're on the topic of who should be Captain America... Josh Brolin anyone? I can see him playing off RDJ and Ed Norton very well.
John McCain As CAPTAIN ALSO-RAN
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
04:09:13 PM
Sarah Palin as CYNICAL PLOY TO GET HILLARY VOTES THAT FAILED.

Barack Obama as CAPTAIN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Any Neocon Still Alive as WORM FOOD.
Personally i just like watching the outrage
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
04:10:33 PM
From a bucha fanboys who are having their whole world come apart around them.It's hilarious!
REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT AS CAPTAIN AMERIKKKA!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
04:10:52 PM
I'm Liberal. Just playing here. Don't hit me.
Latino Review for AICN!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:10:57 PM
Bow Wow Capt. America!!
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:12:33 PM
Vern Troyer as GALACTUS!!!
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
04:12:41 PM
Devourer of dust bunnies!
i played poker with derek luke at hollywood park casino
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:13:08 PM
and i knocked the dude out of the tournament in like 5 minutes. later, i saw him in the parking lot offering blow jobs for acting jobs. (true story except for seeing him the parking lot). he was with some big white dudes who looked like loan sharks. this dude is obviously trying to create publicity for a dead career to feed a terrible gambling addiction.
RETARD ALERT!!
by V'Shael
Sep 8th, 2008
04:13:28 PM
Boy this site gets dumber every day.
If you want to keep Capt America like the comics...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
04:13:34 PM
...then there can't be a Captain America movie because Steve Rogers is DEAD! Falcon, yeah, right. Cap's flying Uncle Tom would go real well with modern 21st century audiences. Maybe Falcon could hold Cap's shield when he takes a dump?
Will Arnett as Caps' talking shield.
by Loosejerk
Sep 8th, 2008
04:13:52 PM
K-caw! K-caw!
Jon Bonnet Ramsey as Warwick Davis
by Knobules
Sep 8th, 2008
04:13:59 PM
And Adam Rich from Eight is Enough can play somebodys pet pig.
"Tuskegee AIRMEN Experiment"?
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
04:14:27 PM
You're cross-pollinating there, chum. The Tuskegee airmen were an experiment, but a political experiment to place black men in combat situations. Before the airmen, blacks in the Air Corps flew in support positions only, just as blacks in the Army almost all worked in supply, transport and other noncombat situations. The Tuskegee EXPERIMENT involved withholding treatment from black men suffering from syphilis in order for doctors to study the progression of the disease. The story told in the "Truth: Red, White and Black" miniseries had a little in common with the Tuskegee Experiment but nothing in common with the Tuskegee Airmen. The relative success of the Airmen led to President Truman's integration of the US armed forces.

That out of the way, I believe Smith or any non-caucasian actor is a poor choice because it throws away what little history remains in the Captain America story. Cap is a white man because only a white man would have been considered as the symbol of America. The idea of throwing race into Hitler's face wouldn't have occurred to the scientists, government types and military brass in 1940. For one thing, most of them would have considered blacks inferior - up to and including President Roosevelt. It's simply lacking in logic. If Cap is black, Hitler could be Polynesian - the son of an Austrian preacher who moved to the islands and fell in love with a native girl! Yeah! Max von Sydow as Hitler's dad and some youngish type as mom! (There's a joke there if you know your films. Not much of a joke, but a joke.)

If Captain America is black, the Joker may as well wear makeup. Yeah, I thought that was a disaster, too, no matter how good Ledger was.

The Age Issue..
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
04:14:45 PM
..can easily be circumvented by saying that while the super soldier formula was what kept his body alive, he still aged a bit over 70 years. He starts out in 44 as a 20 year old GI & wakes up looking 35-40. We're not talking about "magic arctic ice" here.
Is it too late to suggest facetiously that Adam Sandler
by kabong
Sep 8th, 2008
04:14:47 PM
uh uh uh . . .
Chiminweh Ejioforah as THOR!!!!
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:15:17 PM
No way that could work!!!
by Philvis
Sep 8th, 2008
04:15:55 PM
His ears wouldn't fit into the cowl!
Ving Rhames as the WASP!!
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:16:07 PM
Lindsay Lohan as GIANT MAN!!
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:17:11 PM
REVEREND JERMIAH WRIGHT AS CAPTAIN GODDAMN AMERICA!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
04:18:40 PM
That's a good thing! Means he's badass.
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine!!!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:19:42 PM
Oh...wait...
It's funny because...
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:20:24 PM
Jackman is a full foot taller than Wolverine in the comics...
MetalMickey
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
04:20:56 PM
Better yet, he's not only aging a few years in the ice... but TURNS BLACK as a side effect! I really hope he does a soundtrack. "The Red, The White and The Big Wille" will fly off the shelves.
I Am Jack. I'm done arguing with you.
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
04:21:11 PM
If i was even an argument. This is me getting up from my laptop and going out to enjoy my life. You should try it some time! Peace!
And Jackman is Australian
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:21:32 PM
Whereas Wolverine is like from Venezuala or sumpin...
DO THE CAP!
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
04:21:53 PM
According to John Edwards,
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:22:23 PM
There are 2 Americas.

Why not 2 Captain Americas?

Cap N Cap, Back to Back!

Enough with changing characters' races!
by mrplowking
Sep 8th, 2008
04:22:31 PM
Jesus christ, I'm not racist but can Hollywood stop changing characetr races just so they can cast a "name" in the role?!? Sorry, but Captain America has ALWAYS BEEN white! Do you realize the shitstorm and uproar that would have been laid down by the black community if Damon or Affleck were being rumored to play Shaft or Malcolm X?? Spike Lee would have had a stroke on-camera just from his own bullshit piousness. Hey, here's an idea: fucking Thomas Jane as Cap.
He turns black from
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:23:13 PM
da fros' bite! Awesome!
It could happen
by Jodet
Sep 8th, 2008
04:23:51 PM
How can Anti-America make a 'Captain America' movie? And then sell it overseas? Easy, put a black man in the title role.
bryan singer's cum dumpster as superman
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:24:39 PM
That's the worst thing I've ever heard
by CherryValance
Sep 8th, 2008
04:24:43 PM
and I watch the news all the time. I supposed it could be worse. He could be up for Wonder Woman.
Rush Limbaugh As An Obese Racist Drug Addict Neocon Imbecile
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
04:24:53 PM
It was the role he was born to play!
Drunk?
by Embeedeuce
Sep 8th, 2008
04:25:07 PM
So, Cap'n America is going to be a drunk superhero?
As long as he has a gay robot dog, I'm there.
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:25:11 PM
as Isiah Bradley
by mudkip5000
Sep 8th, 2008
04:25:29 PM
Isiah Bradley, im totally for it. It'd work. Now for Red Skull....Udo Kier!!!
Captain Scientology
by Embeedeuce
Sep 8th, 2008
04:25:30 PM
"Not that I'm a racist...!"
by DoctorWho?
Sep 8th, 2008
04:26:06 PM
I think it's interesting how some have to preface their distaste with a certain casting choice with a similar remark. I like Obama too but somehow not wanting him to neccesarily be president puts me in a 'possible racist' category with some of my black brothers and sisters. AAWWWW HHHEEELLLL NAAAWWWWW
Yo, Churchill, why can't you look this good
by David Cloverfield
Sep 8th, 2008
04:27:03 PM
while busting nazi ass?
My Cock In Jessica Alba's Mouth!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
04:27:14 PM
It was the role my cock was born to play! Ramming in and out of Alba's warm wet mouth!
JON HAMM
by KirkLazarus
Sep 8th, 2008
04:27:22 PM
Mad Men's Jon Hamm as Cap. Boom.
troy mcclure in the planet of the apes the musical
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:27:24 PM
What does racism have to do with casting against type?
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:28:14 PM
This is an iconic American character and should not be fucked with. If you don't want Captain America as he should be, MAKE A DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIE.
Oh, Now LOOK!
by Rogue Planet
Sep 8th, 2008
04:28:21 PM
I like Will Smith, I really do, and he's really good when cast in the most unlikely of roles, but when you're talking about casting him as Captain America, who has been a white guy for his ENTIRE history...well...there's nothing TO call that but stunt casting. I mean, it was okay when he did Jim West in 'Wild, Wild West,' because that series died decades earlier and nobody really expected new actors to pull off the same sort of chemistry and style as the 1960s series, but Captain America is still an active member of the Marvel universe. I think this is a dumb rumor and has no basis in fact. I doubt Will Smith would go for it anyway. Although, I'm in the minority in thinking that "Hancock" wasn't actually all that bad, so maybe it's just a matter of taste. Smith can pull off doing a superhero movie, but I don't think that hero is Captain America. Sorry, Will.
LMMFAO!!!!
by ugh
Sep 8th, 2008
04:29:59 PM
With the exception of the usual couple of ignorant racists that post on AICN, this, IMHO had to be the funniest post since we were coming up with new "Rambo 5" titles! And if don't know what I'm talking about, take a look at this link: http://www.aintitcool.com/node /35972
Rogue Planet
by Vic Twenty
Sep 8th, 2008
04:30:04 PM
It made no sense for him to be Jim West either, and see how well that mess turned out.
IAmJack, your reverse racism psychology...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
04:30:32 PM
...sounds a lot like the same argument I hear from spinsters like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. You wouldn't be a conservative evangelical would you? Sure folks might be up in arms over making Black Panther a white guy because he's one of like only three other black superheroes who matter...
that's almost as crazy as a black Nick Fury!
by Rupee88
Sep 8th, 2008
04:31:04 PM
Seriously Captain America is a goofy character to begin with...Will Smith would do fine if there was a good script. But this just sounds like a dumb internet rumor anyhow.

by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:31:45 PM
This is a "Lets make a bankroll movie" decision rather than a "Let's make a good Marvel movie" decision. But what gets me is a GOOD Marvel movie will make bank, no matter what...
and not as dumb as Michael Keaton as Batman
by Rupee88
Sep 8th, 2008
04:32:08 PM
most of you retards loved that (which sucked) so shut your mouths.
Remember that ep of Reno 911 where the black sheriff...
by Julius Dithers
Sep 8th, 2008
04:32:25 PM
busts the Klansmen for lighting a cross in someone's yard and they defend their action by saying "No, officer. This isn't a cross. It's a T...for tolerance!" Then the klansman tries to hug the sheriff? Yeah, it was funny and we all learned a valuable lesson. So this Will Smith movie will be a satire, then. Yes, like Hancock but with its heart in the right place.
Everybody here is right.
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
04:32:49 PM
A black Captain America could work, but not as Steve Rogers. Consider Sam Jackson as Nick Fury: why does this work? Because Cap & (to a lesser extent) Nick Fury are cross-generational mantles to be passed on. Both are 20th century icons rooted firmly in real world history & are thus finite as we crawl into the 21st century.
Rogue Planet, Capt America is no longer active...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
04:33:03 PM
...in the Marvel Universe because he is dead. He was assassinated.
Chishu_ryu...
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:34:25 PM
You could not be more wrong. Bucky Barnes has taken up the mantle of "Captain America". Steve Rogers is who is dead.
Ernest Borgnine cameos as Isadora Duncan
by Spacesheik
Sep 8th, 2008
04:34:32 PM
'nuff said.
reno 911 stole that from south park
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:35:38 PM
Kobe: t-t-t-time to go?
And actually
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:35:58 PM
There are two Captain Americas running around right now. Bucky, and the "imposter" he is trying to capture. So Captain America being dead= twice as many Captain Americas being active. ASS.
i hope trey and matt make token captain america in an episode th
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:36:36 PM
~~~~~~this talkback is full of jerks~~~~~~
by The Marquis de Side 3
Sep 8th, 2008
04:37:17 PM
seriously, what's wrong with casting it as a black guy? or Latino guy for that matter?

what I would DEFINITELY be against is if they dye Will Smith's hair blonde... that just wouldn't be right...
Alexander Skarsgård IS Captain America
by therobcat
Sep 8th, 2008
04:37:19 PM
Watch Generation Kill. James Ransome should play Bucky.Smith is charismatic and can even make a shit film watchable, but he is NOT Captain America. Unless they mean he's the first Captain America from the Truth mini-series. But, no way should he be Steve Rogers. He can be Black Panther, though. That would be kinda sweet.
Marquis,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:38:18 PM
Just think of it like this... DJ Qualls for Luke Cage. Got it? It's not racism, it's common sense.
David Cloverfield
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
04:38:36 PM
haha, I believe the correct term is "Congelatio-Negropolation". I second Jon Hamm.

by Alec.Eiffel
Sep 8th, 2008
04:39:27 PM
the biggest problem I see is that it's important for this movie not to be "MOTHERFUCKING WILL SMITH IS captain america". He has a tendency to overshadow the movies he's in with his overwhelming personality, which is cool. I'll admit to really enjoying I, Robot because it was 'will smith fighting robots'. Captain America how ever is part of a series of movies and it would really fuck up the Avengers movie if it was starring Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Nick Fury and MOTHERFUCKING WILL SMITH. Y'know?
this
by nilskidoo
Sep 8th, 2008
04:39:37 PM
better be bullshit. the older brad pitt gets...
MetalMickey...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
04:40:03 PM
Nick Fury wasn't some dude frozen back in WW2 though. Sam Jackson works as Fury because we've been eased into it by the comics. There's no way that would even ever be considered at all in the comics.
j_ky2002
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
04:41:24 PM
Okay, so you're a bigger comic book nerd than I am. I feel no shame in that, actually.
We should also give him Werewolf Abilities and Laser Eyes
by turketron
Sep 8th, 2008
04:41:25 PM
Go for broke! Make Captain America a female too! With cybernetic enhancements that are active only in non-werewolf mode. And let her fly around on the shield, like the silver surfer!!! MEGA AWESOME
Ransone not Ransome. oops.
by therobcat
Sep 8th, 2008
04:42:27 PM
The problem is they would write to Smith
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:42:27 PM
and not to the story. It would be Smiff running around in a Cap costume saying Smiff stuff, not saying Cap stuff.
therobcat... fuck yes.
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
04:43:27 PM
James Ransome would make a hell of a sidekick.
Chishu_Ryu,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:43:46 PM
No, I am just a better prepared internet troll. DJ Qualls for Luke Cage!
here in LouEVIL...
by nilskidoo
Sep 8th, 2008
04:43:51 PM
nearby we have the Patton museum, which includes an exhibit on actual racism stateside during WW2 years. There were NO major officers of colour. Hollywood keeps breaking out the realism word, and completely miss semantics in doing so.
Token time!
by alienindisguise
Sep 8th, 2008
04:44:38 PM
This is just one of the worst ideas ever. It's enough that Nick Fury was made black and whenever we get a Green Lantern flick comes out, it'll be the black version, I'm sure. I have nothing against against black superheroes or Will Smith for that matter but I prefer them to be the way they were originally.
turketron
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:44:52 PM
he should also be able to transform into a flying motorbike that some wise-cracking asian kid sidekick rides around o
Awwwww, Hell No!
by Vicconius
Sep 8th, 2008
04:45:10 PM
X
Fuck it. Hire BRAD PITT.
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
04:46:13 PM
He looks great in BURN AFTER READING & is only 2 years older than Robert Downey Jr. End of discussion.
Somebody in an AICN talkbalk called someone else a nerd...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
04:47:01 PM
Fucking priceless. You're twenty three times nerdier than the majority of the population just for being here Chishu_Ryu. We're all nerds here. Some are just more informed. The rest are just wananbes.
As much as I'm in favor of The Black Man
by Amadeo Zeller
Sep 8th, 2008
04:47:16 PM
sticking it to you whiteboys and your insufferable superiority complex havin' azzes, my inner comicbook geek prevents me from signin' off on this...Instead, let Will Smith's Overbrook Production Company produce it and reap over 75% of the profits, use said profits to do a remake of Three The Hardway, where some underground black nationalist poison the water supply that only kills white men. J/K.
Chishu_Ryu
by Paul Bucciarelli
Sep 8th, 2008
04:47:31 PM
Limbaugh and O'Reilly while being total cocksuckers are not spinsters. Go look the word up. While your at it, try finding the source of the statistic that stated that 90% of the population does not know who Captain America is.
Will Smith is NOT Capt. America, but Gary Coleman would be perfe
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
04:47:45 PM
Think of it an all black Marvel Universe to go with Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury. Mr. T as the Human Torch, Method Man as Prof. Xavier, Michael Jackson as Wolverine.Nah nah nah nah nah nah Its the M.I.B. ya'll.
MetalMickey...
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:47:55 PM
Pitt can't play Rogers. Pitt will never be able to gain muscle mass again because of the massive amount of protien loss he goes through everyday having Jolie in the house...
Fail
by DrTobiasFunke
Sep 8th, 2008
04:48:52 PM
That's what this would mean to the fans. Seriously. Why spend $20+ million on him when you can get a comparable (better?) actor for less than half of that?
shia lebouf as captain america
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:49:18 PM
pro-obama hollywood would write the will smith cap america as a remake of 'the spook who sat by the door'
NEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEERRRRR RR!!!!!!! >:O
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Sep 8th, 2008
04:49:24 PM
NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!

Stop DESTROYING classic superheroes with this incessant IDIOTIC POLITICALLY CORRECT CASTING!!! GAHHHH!!!! >:O

Not only is Captain America well-known to the general public as being White, but this is supposed to be a PERIOD PIECE set in WWII! There's NO WAY — despite Marvel retcons whitewashing history — the U.S. Government in 1941 would've chosen a sickly Black man to be the lucky recipient of a Super-Soldier formula that would make him their heroic military figurehead to fight the Nazis! Black men had to fight just to be able to battle in the same brigades as their White counterparts, and now we're supposed to believe a Black man was picked to be this nation's HERO in the 1940s???

Complete B.S.!!!

This is the SAME sort of crap that was pulled when they cast Will Smith as James West in Wild, Wild West! A big reason why that film flopped was because it was preposterous to believe that a Black man would be chosen as the premiere "secret agent" of the U.S. in the 1870s. It simply would not happen.

Hollywood simply refuses to GET IT... STOP trying to shoehorn 21st century mores into period films and SCREWING UP comic book history! Captain America WASN'T Black and would have never have been given the formula if Steve Rogers WAS Black. That may not be nice, but it's a FACT and trying to shove a 39-year old Black actor into a role made for a 20-something White guy is simply a recipe for losing A LOT of money, the respect of your audiences and the potential profits from the Avengers film that supposedly going to wrap up the entire Marvel "crossover experiment."

Take the damn pistol AWAY from your temple, Marvel and just hire a DAMN WHITE GUY!!!! >:O

DAMN, they're STUPID!!!

a black capt would be cool, but...
by teddanson37
Sep 8th, 2008
04:49:37 PM
think about what capt is. he's that good ol' boy that's forever stuck in 1942 completely filled with supposedly classic american values. if you put a black guy from the 1940's in that suit, he's going to be the black guy that got racially shafted and became the guinea pig of the super soldier program. to be true to that, he has to be full of angst at the crackers that did that to him. that changes the character on so many levels. yeah, he still has those wholesome values, but he just can't believe in people as much anymore. And everyone knows we haven't always been a PC nation. According to the past sixty-plus years of comics, Steve Rogers was chosen by our WHITE government as the symbol of america during WWII. black people couldn't even eat at certain restaurants in parts of the country, but good ol' uncle sam chooses a black guy to be Capt America? doesn't make sense. Unless you change the back story. which would make a great storyline in a comic book(as in ultimate origins where they are linking fury and capt together as super soldiers), but before you can appreciate different versions, you have to appreciate the original. so you have to stick to the classic capt. most roles are racially open to interpretation. but capt's not one of those. he's a white, white man. this isn't racist it's rational. it just doesn't fit the back story. tony stark could have been a black guy. peter parker could have easily been a black guy. bond can be a black guy (as long as he's got a british accent). but not capt. his race has so much to do with his back story. i think the fact that he's white says a lot about our country then, and having a black nick fury says a lot about our country now.
iamrafsusername
by MetalMickey
Sep 8th, 2008
04:49:45 PM
Right, Steve Rogers will ALWAYS be our blond, blue-eyed Cap. I was thinking facetiously of a Batman Beyond-like 21 century reboot down the line.

by williammunny
Sep 8th, 2008
04:50:29 PM
Worst casting choice in a comic book movie since Ben Afleck. Will ruin the movie.
Ben Affleck as Will Smiff as Bucky Barnes as Cap!
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:52:02 PM
Will Smith is the new Cap'n Crunch.
by otm shank
Sep 8th, 2008
04:52:25 PM
That's what they were really saying.
Paul Bucciarelli
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
04:52:33 PM
Webster's defines a "spinster" as a woman whose occupation is to spin. O'Reilly and Limbaugh are both man-bitches who spin the story to fit their neo-con ideals, so I would say the term "spinster" applies. And that 90% number isn't an official poll count, just a figurative figure. I just know that your average American who doesn't read comics has no idea who Captain America is, and he's probably less known in the rest of the world.
alienindisguise
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
04:52:56 PM
You... someone could argue that you're being racist. Especially with you stating that you're not being racist. You're not backing up your argument with actual logic. Sam Jackson as Fury works. The older version of Fury would not sell to movie audiences. I loved the Garth Ennis Nick fury (AICN comic nerds know what I'm talking about), but that would just not sell because he is simply a cantankerous, angry, psychotic old man. The ultimate Nick Fury is a sneaky, get the job done at any cost kind of guy. Jackson can sell that. He can play the bad guy if need be, which the Ultimate Fury sometimes is. The John Stewart Green Lantern (the black guy) works just fine too. Hell have a bunch of Green Lanterns! Oh wait... they do. It's called the Lantern Corps.
The reason Jackson works as Fury
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
04:54:00 PM
Is Hasselhoff fucked it up for every other white man, ever.
BLADE REBOOT, WITH JAY LENO AS BLADE!
by J-Dizzle
Sep 8th, 2008
04:55:01 PM
Awesome nonsensical casting. Gotta love Hollywood!
captain america: the spook who sat by the door
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
04:55:07 PM
best movie ever!
Who sees Will Smith and thinks SuperSoldier ???
by G100
Sep 8th, 2008
04:56:23 PM
Sorry it won't work. Smith doesn't have the gravitas or the phyiscal presence. Of course a pure action Movie musclemass like Arnie or Sly would be equally silly.

Eckhart could work. But if this Movie is relying on "star power" from it's lead to get Box Office then it's in trouble already.

AWWW Hell Nawwww Avengers Assemble.
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
04:58:44 PM
NATHAN FILLION FOR CAP!
by SamBlackChvrch21
Sep 8th, 2008
04:58:58 PM
And I can accept Big Willie for Luke Cage/Powerman, but Cap, regardless to the whole TRUTH storyline Marvel did a few years back, I'd like to see Good Ole Fashioned Steve Rogers please.
MetalMickey... Batman Beyond casting...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
04:59:44 PM
This would be perfect. Clint Eastwood as old Bruce Wayne and Shia Lebouf as Terry McGuinness. Fuck yes. Throw in Megan Fox as that sexy bitch in the blue dress. and Anthony Hopkins as the resurrected Joker. Damn... that would fucking rock.
Mysterious Yobo
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:00:21 PM
Fail.
i want
by nilskidoo
Sep 8th, 2008
05:00:56 PM
to play speedball. Optimous Douche would like to show off his chops and portray every member of Power Pack.
Not a freaking chance in Hell. Here's why...
by Acappellaman
Sep 8th, 2008
05:01:21 PM
Good Lord. First stupid rumors that Cher will be Catwoman... now this?!? I'll give you one reason (out of, oh, maybe a dozen) why Will Smith will NOT be Captain America. Money. Having Smith star in the one-off Captain America movie would be expensive enough. Can you imagine how much it'll cost them to pay for all these high profile actors once The Avengers is being planned? Robert Downey Jr., Edward Norton, Samuel Jackson, Will Smith, plus whoever's going to play Thor and Ant Man - all in one movie? They'd go bankrupt! There's no way they'll pay someone with Smith's paycheck demands to play Captain America. No way in Hell. Case closed. Kill the rumor now.
G100 re: SuperSoldier
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
05:01:45 PM
Did you buy Tim Roth as a super soldier in Incredible Hulk? I don't think physical presence has anything to do with it as far as a movie Super Soldier goes. Besides, most acting beefcakes are also meatheads, so the whole "they have to look like a 'super soldier'" is out the window.
Logan Echolls as Bucky damnit.
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:02:13 PM
That kid needs work. Damn I miss Veronica Mars.
Tim Roth can fucking act though...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:03:05 PM
That's what fucking sold it. Will Smith can act like Will Smith.
naked megan fox as every character ever
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
05:03:18 PM
And what's with all the Aaron Eckhart love?
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
05:03:44 PM
I found him totally unlikable as Harvey Dent in Dark Knight. It's no wonder Rachel Dawes was still stuck on Bruce Wayne...
I fucking told you so...
by The Eskimo
Sep 8th, 2008
05:04:52 PM
....I called this months ago during one of the Avengers Movie talkbacks. Of course at the time I was just making the comment for shock value knowing full well that Hollywood would never be that stupid. Goes to show ya....
Rachel Dawes was still stuck on Wayne because chicks dig the car
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:05:27 PM
That's why. Eckhart was fucking great. The guy is a great actor. Thank you for smoking? Thank you for making.
Mr_Saxon
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:07:46 PM
It saves me the time of going into the detail of why a post sucked. When I type "FAIL" you know that the post sucked nuts. The person failed horribly at getting his point across and therefor his post was deemed as "FAIL". Just be happy it wasn't "Epic Fail".
How about the mini avengers with
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:08:01 PM
vern troyer as Capt America, Emmanuel Lewis as the Black Panther, Tom Cruise as the Incredible Hulk
Is it just me
by the podosphere
Sep 8th, 2008
05:08:31 PM
or are we all going to look back at the Will Smith era with even greater disdain than the Tom Cruise era or even the Schwarzenegger/Stallone era???
bright boy Re: Naked Megan Fox...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:08:47 PM
Agreed.
tom cruise-
by nilskidoo
Sep 8th, 2008
05:09:07 PM
SMASH
Knee-jerk reaction is to hate on this, but I think it could work
by zillabeast
Sep 8th, 2008
05:10:22 PM
Big Wille seems to always bring it when it matters most. Ali, Pursuit of Happyness, I, Robot, I Am Legend....especially the latter. I think he could work out just fine.
Better casting for Mini Avengers...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:10:25 PM
Michael J. Fox as the Hulk. "PARKINSONS MAKES ME ANGRY!!!!!111" ::shakes uncontrollably while turning green::
I've said this in other talkbacks about Cap
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Sep 8th, 2008
05:10:42 PM
Get James Marsden. Sure, he was in X-Men, but we never really saw his face. Just give him a dye job, and some contacts if he needs them. He has the build, he has the acting chops, and his character was way underdeveloped in all the X movies. This could be his chance for a real comic hero role. Either that, or break out Reb Brown again.
Let's look at this as something that makes sense...
by Maestro610
Sep 8th, 2008
05:11:40 PM
If Derek Luke was talking about Captain America and that he heard Will had been offered the movie it's just what it sounds like a rumor. I know why there is a distinct worry that Smith could be cast as Steve Rogers. B/C you would only use someone of such notoriety to change Rogers' race. I don't think Marvel would do that especially with the existence of a canon black Captain America. I am not suggesting that they shouldn't/couldn't swap races of major characters. I am a huge proponent of The Rock playing Superman and as an african-american I love that this conversation of Will Smith playing Steve Rogers is even happening. Saying all of that there is little chance of Marvel doing a change that big on this character. So if they are casting for a black lead I'd be looking at Isaiah Bradley myself. They could compare it to the Tuskegee Experiments, and really give the story some deeper drama. I'd love to see the formula start as a dirty secret and then over time earn prestige when Isaiah proves its worthwhile properties. Then they give it to Rogers who becomes the propaganda poster boy. Parallel the secrecy of Bradley vs the prominence of Rogers. I'd even be willing to say that Bradley dying, ie making the ultimate sacrifice for his country, could be the thing that gives Rogers hope again. Since we know he is disappointed in America when he wakes up, a Black American who lived through the Civil Rights and Black Power movements but still fought for his country even dying for it could be seen as the ultimate patriotism. Then we get both the classic Captain America and a dramatic story that keeps the movie from becoming comedic/campy. If we also happen give minority children in america a minority Captain America to dress up as on Halloween and pretend to be on playgrounds... Then I can only see the movie as being even more positive.
I Am Legend...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:11:44 PM
"I was SAVING that bacon!!!" Yeah... totally knocked it outta the park. Plus... we all know black men don't dig on swine.
Will smith as done the superhero thing..
by emeraldboy
Sep 8th, 2008
05:12:36 PM
in that godawful film Hancock. all depends on well he does in Pharoh. if they do cast smith. Things will get ugly and I predict people will leave this site and never come back.
Maestro610
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:14:10 PM
I stopped reading your post when I read your Rock = Superman shenanigans. If you're trying to get people to read your opinions and take them seriously... leave retarded shit like that out. Or at least post it at the end.
sam kinison as J. Jonah Jamison
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:15:06 PM
Some White Guy As Some Black Guy!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:16:14 PM
Some Black Guy As Some White Guy!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:16:32 PM
Some Skinny Guy As Some Fat Guy!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:16:48 PM
Some Fat Guy As Some Skinny Guy!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:17:12 PM
in the words of mr. smith himself...
by DigitalBeachWar
Sep 8th, 2008
05:17:28 PM
"AAAH HELL NAW!"
Its Not Racist to Reject Smith *POLITICAL RHETORIC INSIDE*
by SamBlackChvrch21
Sep 8th, 2008
05:18:45 PM
How dare anyone say it is racist to not accept Will Smith as Captain America. It has nothing to do with race as much as it has to do with Continuity of the Story and the source material. While, I am sure Smith can play the role well and be all Mr. 4th of July about it, I do not agree that it follows the Cap/Avengers tie in that most of us Marvel fans are expecting. As people mentioned before casting Smith would be stunt casting and would also prove that there is no care for the fan base or the source material. Racisim is the furthest thing from the issue here. That would be like Voting for Obama, just because its about time we had a black president and not because of his platform or his political views.
Bloated Corpse of Mama Cass as Emaciated Corpse of Edie Sedgewic
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:20:04 PM
Bloated Corpse of Mama Cass as Emaciated Corpse of Edie Sedgewic
They made superman a commie...
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:21:26 PM
why not do the movie as a "What If" in alternative universe where, as some have suggested,Cap is given the Super Serum as part of the Tuskegee Experiments. Then in the 60's he grows out a big Afro with a pick in it, joins the Black Panthers and gives the Black Power salute at the Olympics. Yea ... take that haters.
Mr_Saxon
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:22:18 PM
You've got Epic Mail.
Wow, that's gotta be...
by ChezKing
Sep 8th, 2008
05:23:21 PM
ONE OF THE WORST RUMORS I HAVE EVER HEARD! Please just let this be a bad rumor. And if it's true, please God, give Will Smith the good sense to turn it down!
John McCain As That Angry Old White Guy Who Lost The Race
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:24:14 PM
I love how he keeps trying to hijack the "change" message. Hahaha! Hilarious. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.
Harry Knowles as Natalie Portman
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:24:56 PM
HOLY CRAP THIS JUST IN:
by ChezKing
Sep 8th, 2008
05:26:13 PM
Danny DeVito to play George Jefferson in the movie adaptation of the JEFFERSONS! Wow!
An Elephant As A Mouse
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:28:28 PM
A Zebra As A Gopher
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:28:50 PM
A Penis As A Vagina
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:29:10 PM
A Car As A Truck
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:29:25 PM
Chischu I DID say the likes of Arnie or Sly would be wrong too
by G100
Sep 8th, 2008
05:29:32 PM
But you have to believe the guy is a soldier.

I just don't get that vibe from Smith. He was a captain in Indpendence day yes, but a Pilot not someone who looks like he has been through hell in WWII.

Gravitas is needed and Smith never really pulls that off as he is always a touch too jokey in his roles.

A Circle As A Square
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:29:37 PM
As for Eckhart
by SamBlackChvrch21
Sep 8th, 2008
05:29:42 PM
They should have cast him for Daredevil back in '03. If they ever decide to reboot that character, Eckhart is the way to go.
Up As Down
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:29:52 PM
A Gun As A Noodle
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:30:07 PM
Nick Fury
by Lloytron
Sep 8th, 2008
05:30:19 PM
Samuel L Jackson was Nick Fury in Iron Man.... :D
A Pizza As A Flapjack
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:30:21 PM
A Needle As A Haystack
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:30:36 PM
A Bomb As A Flower
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:30:58 PM
A Cum Shot As A Chastity Belt
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:31:13 PM
A Knee As A Tooth
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:31:30 PM
A Blowjob As A Rimjob
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:31:44 PM
WWII Capt America won't work because...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
05:31:50 PM
...Steve Rogers would have to go into suspended animation somehow, and that's just not really possible, little men who turn into giant green Hulks aside. Does Steve Rogers get frozen in ice, like in the comics? Kind of stupid and unrealistic if you think about in realistic movie terms, which seems to be the track they took with Iron Man and Incredible Hulk.

Plus, in the new movies, the Super Soldier serum comes from the Incredible Hulk, which doesn't happen until the present. That means a movie Capt America who fits in with the RDJ Iron Man and Norton Hulk will have to be a new player, as opposed to some white guy who goes into suspended animation like some cheap Austin Powers rip-off, which means people arguing against Will Smith because he would never be a WWII icon have no argument. But, I guess if they start bringing in Thor, "reality" kind of goes out the window doesn't it?

A Typewriter As A Blimp
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:32:02 PM
A Punch In The Mouth As A Spit In The Eye
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:32:33 PM
How About An Arab Captain America
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:33:49 PM
The bible belt just imploded.
Cap
by Clumzor
Sep 8th, 2008
05:34:35 PM
Ya know, It would totally kick ass if he was playing Isaiah Bradley in a flash back. That means they could introduce The Patriot as sort of a pseudo Bucky. Could possibly spin it off into a Young Avengers movie. Just saying.
OSAMA BIN LADEN As GEORGE W. BUSH
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:35:02 PM
Since they worked so closely together over the past 30 years, I think either one could play the other; especially since their both psychopathic terrorists with messiah complexes.
The funniest blog so far goes to...
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:36:13 PM
BringingSexyBack's the Rev Jeremiah Wright as Capt. Goddamn American. You gotta love Big Willy he even makes geek blogs fun.
Isaiah Bradley -- TRUTH Cap -- Would Make A Great Movie
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:36:19 PM
But this was supposed to be about Steve Rogers. Right?
Vigo Mortenson As Cap. Smith Still Good Though
by Frodo T. Baggins
Sep 8th, 2008
05:39:19 PM
Brad Pitt? Aw Hell Naw. We Need Actors That Actually Like The Character And Will Come Back For Spin Off Movies & Wont Demand A Truck Load Of Money (Tobey) For Trilogies. Thats Why I Liked Brandon Roth. He Said "As Long As They Are Making Superman Movies, I Want To Be Superman". We Need That Devotion. Im Afraid We Wont Get That From Blockbuster Actors. I Could Actually Handle Smith But His Schedule Could Kill Everything I Just Said.
VOLTRON as POWER RANGERS!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:39:27 PM
NOOOOOOOOO!
LaserPants as DannyGloversDickBlood
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:40:21 PM
Viggo Mortenson As Cronenberg's Sex Fantasy
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:40:24 PM
Cronenberg is so in love with Mortenson.
DannyGloversDickBlood As Crazybubba
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:41:16 PM
RUGHT FUCKIN BACKATCHA!!! YEEEEAAHHH!!!
LaserPants as Cletus Van Damme
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:42:06 PM
No Problem!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:42:18 PM
Thanks for what, though?
LaserPants As JESUS CHRIST THE LORD
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:42:56 PM
CUM TO ME MY CHILDREN!!! CUM TO ME!!!
JESUS CHRIST! JESUS CHRIST! OH HOLY SHIT HIS NAMES JESUS CHRIST!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:43:58 PM
Thats from my redux of JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR retitled JESUS CHRIST SUPERPIMP.
I find Captain America boring
by gringostar
Sep 8th, 2008
05:44:31 PM
so I don't really give a shit...
Chishu_Ryu... you're sounding stupid.
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:47:49 PM
If you go back and watch The Incredible Hulk, you'll see that the Super Serum came from an experiment they tried way back in the day that was just shelved. You actually see when they're removing the serum from the cryogenic freezing thing that the original scientist's name is on there as well as a date from back in WW2. Suck it. Now stop trying to sound like you know things.
An Arab Capt. America is a pretty good idea...
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:48:09 PM
40 virgins go to the first suicide bomber who kills aquaman in their Jihad with the Super Friends. Works for me.
AWW HAIL NO! as AWW HAIL YEAH!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:48:36 PM
its obviously a bad choice, but could be an interesting oddity
by RockLobster800
Sep 8th, 2008
05:48:52 PM
I mean considering what could happen in America in the next few years...I mean it would be a weird time capsule if it reflected a time where a black man was president and Cap America followed suit. HOWEVER, beyond that it needs too muck work to pull it off to please anybody. I mean theres well documented proof of racial intolerance in the 40s that suggests that the american government would not have allowed an african american to be a super soldier-they wouldnt big him up, when they could have a good old clean cut white all american boy.Now unless the film played on that angle, then it would just be too glaring....however, ANY captain america film nowadays would have to convey the massive leaps in history-I mean how would an actual comic book classic steve rogers cope in obamas america? (providing he wins-Im for him anyway)I mean a captain america film if handled right could be a less cheesy all american patriot-fest, (and if they didnt hold back on americas past (particularly the RECENT past)) more a morally complex thriller ala TDK....but seeing as Superman Returns was kind of a good supes one off oddity and got majorly dissed, then I dont see a weird black cap america flick being accepted by the fans too much...but we'll see...
agreed
by palooka_boy
Sep 8th, 2008
05:50:09 PM
more likely he'll end up as Isaiah Bradley. But I think the star casting could result in too much distraction from giving Cap his own story.
Lets write the script for Capt Arab America right here in the bl
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:52:05 PM
The dude from Lost could get the lead role.
DICK CHENEY AS THE RED SKULL'S CHICKEN HAWK SON!
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
05:52:34 PM
Now THAT's inspired casting.
Capt Arab America's mission...
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
05:54:40 PM
would be to end reverse-reverse-reverse racism and bar room happy hours around the world.
whats a nubian?
by Obscura
Sep 8th, 2008
05:55:08 PM
Fuck this... I'ma go jerk it to interracial porn...
by iamrafsusername
Sep 8th, 2008
05:55:14 PM
Brendan Fraser.
by Jeff Dee
Sep 8th, 2008
06:00:13 PM
I'm sorry, but it had to be said. Yes, he's been in a lot of bad films. He's also been in good ones, and was good in them. Give the man a chance, you know he'd be perfect.
michael vick as a pitbull
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
06:00:43 PM
No Stopi tit.
by DeCypher44
Sep 8th, 2008
06:01:58 PM
Seriously, just stop it. Will Smith needs to go away and play with Tom and John.
This is perfectly acceptable as long.....
by the1980mutant
Sep 8th, 2008
06:02:09 PM
as they have a MLK Jr. character in the movie and he is played by Steve Guttenberg. Seriously though, how do studios start fucking up their franchises at the CONCEPT stage. They might as well bring out the old Captain America movies from the early 80's or whenever.
Paris Hilton as Einstein
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
06:02:24 PM
Why not John McCain as Capt. America.?
by crazybubba
Sep 8th, 2008
06:06:22 PM
their about the same age.
Come on, you know this is a retarded rumor.
by Roketopunch
Sep 8th, 2008
06:12:12 PM
There is no way Marvel would do this. They would get so much hate mail that their servers would blow up. This is phony. If so, lets get Emmanuel Lewis to be Bucky and Gilbert Godfried to be the Red Skull.
Incredible Hulk
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
06:17:54 PM
Okay, I dis-remembered the WWII serum stuff, just like I dis-remembered most of that forgettable movie. Alright, so if they do go with a resurrected WWII Captain America, which would still be silly but could work since the Super Serum would help preserve his body and vital functions, then no, Will Smith would not work as Captain America.
You guys are DUMB
by Stalkeye
Sep 8th, 2008
06:18:47 PM
..If you actually belive that Marvel would be stupid enough to cast Smith as Cap..unless it's the prototype Captain A. (Based on Marvel's GN The Truth in which the first man to receive the unproven SS Serum was a Afican American.) But it's not gonna happen.AICN loves to stir up shit at times don't they?
THE MARVEL (MOVIE) UNIVERSE
by Johnnie Walker
Sep 8th, 2008
06:20:59 PM
Zak Penn (and Mark Millar) have already confirmed that in creating the Marvel movie universe they are drawing a lot of inspiration from the ULTIMATES. So it totally makes sense that they could incorporate the ideas from T:RW&B into Cap's history. But the real reason for even thinking of Will Smith is FAR MORE PRACTICAL: he is simply the ONLY real movie star Hollywood has left, equally capable of opening big tent-pole pictures and delivering solid character performances. You know that Cap's "man out of time" theme is going to play heavily into his cinematic incarnation, and Smith has proven himself, whether you like his movies or not, as an excellent actor. So while Eckhart would probably be the perfect choice in terms of look, acting ability, and whatever else is a priority for you (and lets be honest--he's probably at the top of Kevin Feige's wish list, with the added benefit of stealing him from DC/Warners), Smith is more bankable. Plus, superficially, he's got the build for the character. This is the first Marvel movie character who actually has to LOOK heroic. A wiry, aging Brad Pitt ain't gonna do it.
It's not stunt casting, it's executive casting
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
06:25:17 PM
Executives try to get the biggest name they can, continuity and tradition be damned. It's why Robert Redford was offered Michael Corleone, Superman and Benjamin Braddock from The Graduate, even though he would have been wrong for all of them. (Redford, of course, would have been perfect for Cap 30 years ago, but that's neither here nor there). Smith would bring in the people, but it's a stupid idea for many reasons. For one, it's ahistorical (you just wouldn't see a black man leading missions at the time; sad but true). As well, it's against the bare minimum continuity; what most people know about Captain America is that he's a blonde, blue eyed white guy. Finally, it goes against what has been brilliant casting for other superhero roles. Downey, Bale, and Norton were not the biggest names that DC and Marvel could have gone with, but they fit the parts. Personally, I see someone like Nathan Fillion as Cap, but even he might be too old. In any case, Smith is a silly choice.
this just in... leonardo dicaprio as black panther
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 8th, 2008
06:29:11 PM
honestly though, if sam jackson can be nick fury
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 8th, 2008
06:31:43 PM
why cant smith be steve rogers - its not like he is being asked to play thor
nevahagin
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
06:36:03 PM
Bite me, I'm voting for Obama. It has nothing to do with this.
C'mon Harry, admit it...
by superfleish76
Sep 8th, 2008
06:36:30 PM
You only posted this stupid rumor to watch people freak the fuck out. You're a sick, sick man. BTW, Emo Phillips told me that Ving Rhames is in negotiations to play Thor.
Because Nick Fury Was Sam Jacksoned Up In The Comics
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
06:36:36 PM
In the Ulimates, which is an alternate universe Marvel universe.
nevahagin, dumb ass
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 8th, 2008
06:36:46 PM
captain america was white blonde and blue eyed in the comics since his creation in the 1940s - its not racist hypocrisy that some find this to be a bad idea - i like will smith, and im sure hed do the role justice - but for the last 60 yrs steve rogers appeared in the comics as a white guy - doesnt it stand to reason he be depicted the same way in the movie? - unless they change the origin and make him a veteran of more recent wars - kuwait, iraq etc - then smiths casting would work - why is superman always a white guy in movies? - because he was in the comics
im voting for obama too
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 8th, 2008
06:37:50 PM
if the maverick and the milf win, god help us
Jimmy Joe
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
06:38:57 PM
It could work, as long as they throw away the WWII angle, which I think would be a shame. The whole point about Cap in the modern era is that he is the spirit of American heroism, literally back from the dead. It just doesn't make any sense to have a black actor playing him in that time period. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury is not the "classic" Nick Fury, who also started out as a WWII hero, but would make no sense in that role because he would be over 90 by now.
Cap is white
by BUCK.STARBLASTER
Sep 8th, 2008
06:39:05 PM
I was pissed off when singer made supermans cape fuckin bergandy instead of red. It has nothing to do with race. Nick fury is sam jackson in the ultimate marvel u. He's cool. Cap is a white guy. I like my superheros to look like they do in the comics. I mean is that not half the point of making these movies, to bring these iconic charactors to life?
Cap is white
by BUCK.STARBLASTER
Sep 8th, 2008
06:39:09 PM
I was pissed off when singer made supermans cape fuckin bergandy instead of red. It has nothing to do with race. Nick fury is sam jackson in the ultimate marvel u. He's cool. Cap is a white guy. I like my superheros to look like they do in the comics. I mean is that not half the point of making these movies, to bring these iconic charactors to life?
oh yeah, the alternate/ultimate stuff
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 8th, 2008
06:39:19 PM
whatever
What amuses me no end, are the new screen names
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
06:40:13 PM
Afraid to talk racist shit with your old handles?
Leonardo Dicaprio is cap
by richjb77
Sep 8th, 2008
06:40:31 PM
Honestly...did you see how big that guy got for "Gangs of New York" or whatever that movie was called...Plus he has the look and would give the movie cred. He's about do for a legit action movie to round out his career.
Let me be blunt
by Geekgasm
Sep 8th, 2008
06:43:59 PM
If Will Smith is Captain America, I will not be watching "Captain America". Similarly, if Ryan Reynolds is the Black Panther, I will not be watching "Black Panther".
i want to see an nc17 rated she-hulk movie
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 8th, 2008
06:44:02 PM
a very tall very muscular green goddess with great tits and a ridiculously large muscular ass - cheeks that could crush a man - whos with me on this?
DiCaprio would be okay, but not my first choice either.
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
06:48:27 PM
I really think that they have to go beyond the "get the biggest name we can" way of thinking. Admit it, Downey should not have been the first choice for Iron Man, and Bale was *not* a big name before Batman Begins. If we went with this line of thinking, we would have Redford as Michael Corleone, Ashton Kutcher as Batman and Vin Diesel as Hellboy, and our moviegoing experience would be all the lesser for it.
Not a Good Idea
by gandalftheblack
Sep 8th, 2008
06:49:29 PM
I would not be in favor of a Will Smith as Captain America. He just doesn't have the Steve Rogers feel to him. But I remember in the "What If's Comics, one issue was if Captain Americas wasn't the only Super Soldier and because of the political/racial climate there were attempts at Black Super Soldiers, but when Steve Rogers is president in that comic they give black soldiers a tainted strand of the super soldier serum as "proof" that black folks couldn't take advantage of it (keeping in with the times of course). Will Smith "could" be one of the few who were able to resit the tainted strand, but I'm nit sure how that would work out. what do you think?
My asshole can only stretch so far
by WolfmanNards
Sep 8th, 2008
06:50:56 PM
We've already got the Jr. Ghostbusters dicks tucked in there. How much torture are they gonna put me through. Are they really trying to rape me to DEATH!?
Sure he's a big name
by TimBenzedrine
Sep 8th, 2008
06:51:56 PM
but can you imagine how stupid he'd look in that costume? His EARS wouldn't fit under his damned hood/cowel/whatever.
Sounds good to me. I like it. Why not?
by antonphd
Sep 8th, 2008
06:53:55 PM
Why is there a problem with making Captain America black? He's a cartoon. Will did Ali, he can pull off a cartoon. I think that if it's not Will then bring on Harvey 2 Face for Cap.
I am still pissed
by TimBenzedrine
Sep 8th, 2008
06:54:43 PM
about what Will Smith and WB did to "The Wild Wild West". That was my favorite show as a kid.
Serena Williams for She-Hulk?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Sep 8th, 2008
06:55:16 PM
Fits Jimmy's description. J-Lo could be the baddie.
The Obvious Choice for Captain America
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
06:55:40 PM
Billy Crudup. Thoughts?
And as for "Steve Rogers is dead..."
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
06:55:55 PM
The Death of Captain America didn't register with the public beyond current comic readers. The movies are based on a very loose continuity that the average moviegoer knows about the character. If they followed continuity to the letter, the the Hulk should be red and Iron Man a skrull, or whatever the hell Marvel is doing right now.
the spook who sat by the door
by bright boy
Sep 8th, 2008
06:56:02 PM
scariest movie ever made. for reals. youre not a film geek until youve seen it and then youll know why will smith must be captain america
Indoorplumbing : Crudup is the kiss of death...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
06:58:20 PM
He has been the "Next Big Thing" since the early 90s, and nothing has happened for him (I'm excited about Watchmen, but he could still ruin it). He's the male Gretchen Mol.
cap can be white anachorism to play off of black nu-fury
by Babba-Booey
Sep 8th, 2008
06:58:47 PM
CA needs to be a narrow-minded uber-conservative, bible-belt, milk-n-cookies, no sex before marriage, white-bread stereotype. He needs to be the fish out of water that encounters a black superior officer (Black Nick Fury), a black president or woman vice president, and a world that isn't as black & white as it relates to enemies anymore. Marvel should show some balls and make Cap a bit of a dick at the start, and then turn into the President's lap dog-kinda like Superman was Ronald Regan's go-to boy for all things Pax Americana back in The Dark Knight Returns ('86). Once he realizes that people played him to be a tool, he can redeem himself.
Don't Worry, Obama Is Going To Win
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
07:01:12 PM
I think the majority of the populace, the voting populace, is done with the Republicans and their failed, destructive policies for the forseeable future. The MILF was a cynical ploy to get Hillary voters and its going to fail; seeing as how Palin is essentially another Nazi Xtian. The race will be tight, mostly because there are still lots of racist people in the country, but Obama is going to take it.

You know what is a good indicator? The fact that McCain has been trying, awkwardly, to hijack Obama's change message. As soon as you start hijacking your opponents message, you lost.
There is so much racism behind this post and thread its insane..
by fassbinder79
Sep 8th, 2008
07:01:56 PM
What is wrong with Will Smith being Captain America exactly? He is an action star, right? Smith does have cross over appeal and brings in tremendous box office around the world, right? I could understand people being against him post Hancock (one of the worst films I've ever seen) but that is clearly not the reason people are angry about him as the potential lead in this film. Yes, it wouldn't be what the character is in the comic. But that wasn't true for Green Lantern on the animated Justice League show and personally I thought that worked out really well. Flame on. But let's call it what it is...Racism and prejudice against a black man being Captain America.
Captain America
by fassbinder79
Sep 8th, 2008
07:03:36 PM
I would also add that my top choice for Captain America is... ...Leonardo DiCaprio with Scorsese or Paul Verhoeven directing.
WOOKIE: You're right, but...
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
07:03:38 PM
Without Limits should have been better received. Oscar nomination missed? Absolutely. Of course, Monica Potter was in that movie. Remember her? Anyone? Anyone? Monica. Potter. Yep.
Babba Booey, you've hit the nail on the head.
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:05:19 PM
Remember, Cap was created by two Jewish guys who indended him as a bigger-than-life, slightly corny WASP hero (which is why he could get away with stuff like socking Hitler on the jaw). He is naive enough to believe that if you work hard and play by the rules you'll succeed, and the modern world is disillusioning to him.
Fassbinder
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
07:07:42 PM
Sorry, man, you're wrong. Captain America, Steve Rogers, is a white guy. Yeah, it could be changed, but why? To me that almost seems more racist. Like, what, black audiences won't see a white Captain America? I don't think so.

In terms of Green Lantern, John Stewart was a black human male AND a Green Lantern, hence, black Green Lantern. Remember the Lanterns are a like a corps of space cops, so there really is no one Green Lantern, theres thousands of them. It just so happens that 4 of them are from Earth, and one of those four, John Stewart, is black.

Actually, now THAT could be cool -- Will Smith as Green Lantern John Stewart. I would dig that. I like Will Smith, just not as Cap. Steve Rogers Cap specifically.
Willy Smitty as Cap America is stupd
by LeftFoot
Sep 8th, 2008
07:07:51 PM
Nick Fury black works because Sam Jackson is a god. Michael Duncan Clarke made Kingpin work so well it was the best thing in an "okay" film.

Capt. America as black? Not if Willy Smitty plays him. That actor simply cannot pull it off. Regardless of some deal a suit makes.

And something unspoken, and possibly unrealized by many today: the nazi ideal was a WHITE blond Aryan. Capt. America had more than a hint of 'he is our WHITE blond American ideal'. Wait, ... maybe that is a small part of the reasoning to make Cap black. No, probably just corporate greed.
Fassbinder79... GL was black...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:09:00 PM
because there was precedent for GL being black (I'm assuming the JLA cartoon has John Stewart, not Hal Jordan). Other than the Truth miniseries, there has never been a black Captain America. If you want to make him a modern character, throw away the WWII backstory, fine, use Smith. But I feel that it would really be missing something. Cap as a product of WWII is, to me, a dealbreaker for the character.
Fassbinder79... GL was black...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:09:04 PM
because there was precedent for GL being black (I'm assuming the JLA cartoon has John Stewart, not Hal Jordan). Other than the Truth miniseries, there has never been a black Captain America. If you want to make him a modern character, throw away the WWII backstory, fine, use Smith. But I feel that it would really be missing something. Cap as a product of WWII is, to me, a dealbreaker for the character.
Fassbinder79... GL was black...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:09:06 PM
because there was precedent for GL being black (I'm assuming the JLA cartoon has John Stewart, not Hal Jordan). Other than the Truth miniseries, there has never been a black Captain America. If you want to make him a modern character, throw away the WWII backstory, fine, use Smith. But I feel that it would really be missing something. Cap as a product of WWII is, to me, a dealbreaker for the character.
JimmyJoeRedsky, you've given me an idea...
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 8th, 2008
07:13:18 PM
Vivica Fox as She-Hulk!
Nevahagen
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
07:14:07 PM
Maybe Chase Crawford of 'Gossip Girl' should play the Cap? You'd like that, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you?
sorry for the multiple posts...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:14:53 PM
Anyway, the fact is that people off the street care about this, not just fanboys - remember when people were annoyed that a blonde actor was playing Bond?
Now I may be reading too much intelligence into it...
by half vader
Sep 8th, 2008
07:18:29 PM
But wasn't the fact that the Americans had their own Aryan superman battle the nazis IRONIC? Or am I seeing too much when it wasn't really there?

Speaking of irony, Smith ruined what could have been a nice note of irony in i, Robot of a black man being a bigot against the slaves/robots with his sweet potato pie, sneakers and aw hell naw bullshit. The whole thing is pretty much a racial allegory and the 'street' stuff ruined it (it wasn't there before he and his writers touched the script).

Everyone put your white hoods away...
by AnakinsDiapers
Sep 8th, 2008
07:21:14 PM
...This is a ridiculous rumor. Marvel has control over the character. Smith aint Steve Rogers. Not gonna happen.
Will Smith is one of those 50/50 actors...
by TheWaqman
Sep 8th, 2008
07:21:32 PM
One minute he will make something with a fucking GREAT performance like Ali and to a lesser extent Pursuit of Happiness, and the next minute he makes shit like Hancock and MIB 2. So the moral of the story is, only see his Oscar-bait movies, because he gives a good effort in those and the results are great. And DO NOT SEE HIS BIG BUDGET FILMS. Captain America played by Smith is a dumb rumor though.
Isn't Will Smith black?
by Uncle Stan
Sep 8th, 2008
07:25:05 PM
And yes, he did not ring true as Jim West--but that was only one of many fuck-ups with that film. Smith did work in I Am Legend. Neville's race is not a factor in the novel. I don't recall if it's even alluded to at all. Some characters simply do not lend themselves to arbitrary changes in gender and race (or in the case of a Jack Black Green Lantern: body type). Marvel couldn't sell me a black Kingpin, and they're not going to sell me a straight Gambit. Gambit has to be every bit as gay on screen as he is in the comics.
NAWWWWW
by CloneWars
Sep 8th, 2008
07:25:08 PM
This would suck like a pornstar
half vader - nah, it was sort of there...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:25:29 PM
Kirby and Simon were no fools. If they had made Captain America Jewish or Italian (let alone black) it would not have had the same impact. It's just the way things were back then.
Hmmm
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
07:25:56 PM
I wonder what would have happened if the internet existed when Marlon Wayans was signed on to play Robin for "Batman Returns" back in '92...
Spike Lee Should Direct
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
07:26:29 PM
But not Will Smith, have it still be a white dude. It would be part 4 of the white film cycle -- Summer of Sam, The 25th Hour, and Inside Man, all of which were pretty cool, especially the first two. You know, just to keep it outwardly about race and stuff.
ruven76
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
07:28:43 PM
Thats such a rumorly rumor, but I like that rumor and wouldn't mind it being at least half true. Although, I still really, REALLY want EVA GREEN as CATWOMAN.
ruven76
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:30:29 PM
Dustin Hoffman as who? Hugo Strange?
Phillip Seymour Hoffman Not Dustin
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
07:31:31 PM
Idea
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
07:32:54 PM
Jason Alexander as Robin
Hoffman's Penguin will fuck your ass bloody!
by Uncle Stan
Sep 8th, 2008
07:33:11 PM
IndoorPlumbing...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:33:21 PM
I have a vague memory of a possible black Robin, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been Dick Grayson. (And am I hallucinating, or was Chris Rock mentioned as Jimmy Olson and/or The Joker?)
WHY,why try this PC CRAP?
by j2talk
Sep 8th, 2008
07:34:49 PM
come on , if you are going to make Captain America, DO IT RIGHT,bring us the Steve Rogers that has been there from the beginning....and that Steve Rogers was white.... the Nick Fury change isn't that much of an issue as he has been changed in the comic,but to change Cap simply for the Box Office #$$$ or to jump on the public's fascination with Obama, then that is just plain wrong...take the lesson learned from Iron Man-RESPECT the SOURCE MATERIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Laserpants
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:35:06 PM
I figured that out the second I wrote it. My bad. But Dustin is still pretty fricking brilliant - check his last appearance on the Daily Show for that stupid Mister Magorium movie. Funny as hell.
Bring Back Matt Salinger Dammit!!!!
by Paul T. Ryan
Sep 8th, 2008
07:35:52 PM
He was actually one of the only good things about the otherwise wretched Albert Pyun film. Failing that, I guess Reb Brown ain't doing much!
CAPTAIN ARABIA!!!!
by Johnno
Sep 8th, 2008
07:36:37 PM
Set the movie after Sept 11th and cast an Islamic Osama Bin laden looking guy as Captain America who will lead the forces of George Bush to victory in Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran! George Bush is right! The US economy is stable! And Iraq posessed weapons of Mass Destruction! It's the perfect movie that America can make! In other words it's my way of saying that if you're casting Will Smith as the WWII Steve Rogers Captain America, then you're a fucking retard and obviously have no value for the source material except to paranoid-ly hide your own inert racism by saying you're alright with this shit...

Facts: America didn't like black people very much in WWII, the civil rights movement and end of slavery didn't happen for a long time afterwards. It would make no sense for America to make a black guy the symbol of their forces. Captain America represented that old American value system. Even bringing him back to modern times had him retain his old memories and old values. Making that cap a black guy completely changes all that shit up. It's not the movie or the cap I want to see. If you're making some kinda new Captain America 2999 AD movie, then fine, do whatever you want... If you're doing a "What if...?" movie then that would also be awesome! But that's not what anyone's aiming for here. This is stunt casting just to play off of the exact controversy that has everyone in this talkback's panties up in a bunch. If they seriously considered this idea you honestly think the first thing they did was consider the significance of a black man in that role and the themes that he'd bring and all that other poetic shit? No, the first thing they thought was, this is gonna cause a shitstorm and people will argue, self righteous politically correct assholes will try and push our movie and market it for us by insisting it's a good idea etc. etc. That's right! you're nothing but a bunch of fools dancing to a fiddle.

This is a stupid idea and it won't happen. I guarantee it!
Didn't they already mention the Super-solider serum
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:37:20 PM
.. in the Incredible Hulk? I thought that it's pretty much a given that Cap is going to be in WWII. If they update it, fine, use Smith. But if it's WWII, it doesn't make sense to have Smith.
Stephen Colbert as the pre-serum Steve Rogers...
by wookie1972
Sep 8th, 2008
07:39:03 PM
There, I said it.
The Sam Jackson/Nick Fury analogy is false...
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
07:40:52 PM
Ultimate Fury was created based on Jackson. Both in appearance and attitude. And it was a GREAT idea. One of the better ideas in comics in 10 years. The regular 616 Fury can just fade away, and no one will miss him... This idea, however, is blatantly taking the ACTOR into account, and not the CHARACTER. There's a huge difference, and IT IS NOT RACISM. It's people who have wanted a good Captain America movie since that dreck from the 80's, and like someone else said, they are fucking it up IN THE CONCEPT STAGE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Wookie 1972,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
07:41:22 PM
Wookie 1972,
by j_ky2002
Sep 8th, 2008
07:41:56 PM
Would you consider Steve Carrel? (Shit Harry, get a fucking edit button here.)
Wookie...
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
07:43:55 PM
Right on. Chris Rock was pursued as Jimmy Olsen during the ill-conceived-but-who-knows-mi ght-happen-again Black Suit/No Flying Superman phase in the 90s. Also, MARLON WAYANS was actually signed on to Batman Returns but was written out (obviously) after a couple of drafts. Which is good, because then we would never have been blessed with the WB's sensational series "The Wayans Bros". Shit changed my life.
There were no Tuskeegee Airmen.
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
07:44:18 PM
Sorry to disappoint but it is pop culture/media myth. As for creating a super soldier, such activities did and still are taking place. They are called the United States Marines.
Rick Rolle as Obama
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
07:49:39 PM
FUCK NO!
by br1947
Sep 8th, 2008
07:53:37 PM
I'd rather see ScriptGirl play Cap first... holy shit of all the stupid rumors...
Four words you will never see together...
by Dr Gregory House
Sep 8th, 2008
07:54:29 PM
John Malcovich IS Blackula.
SCRIPTGIRL AS MICHELLE OBAMA
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
07:56:35 PM
Wait....
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 8th, 2008
07:58:36 PM
... NiceGuyEddie... what the fuck are you talking about? No Tuskeegee Airmen? Myth? Are you mental?
Mori...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
07:59:35 PM
What I could say right now could shake a lot of trees, but, my grandfather was actually THERE.
This is Bullshit!
by warghost
Sep 8th, 2008
08:04:13 PM
Will Smith isn't much of an actor. He brings too much of a thuggish cocky attitude into his movies. I just saw Hancock and it was lame. I, Robot was a horrible Blade Runner wannabe. He was okay in I Am Legend, but he would be a terrible Cap. And to all of you stupid morons who are saying people opposed to this idea are racists, I say you need to get that dick our of your mouth and listen. Captain America is a fucking monolithic figure. You can't change something as important as his appearance without doing great harm to the character. What pisses me off is that Marvel would never cast a white actor to play a black comic character. Because they are pussies. They are sniveling cocksuckers who care more about making money than sustaining the integrity of what their characters are. They changed Nick Fury, which was a BAD idea. Same with Kingpin! Instead of giving into the PC crowd like a bunch of little bitches, they need to make a good movie based on a black comic character. Don't make a white character black. Make a Black Panther movie. Instead, they will continue to fuck with icons, because they are cowardly bitches.
NiceGuyEddie19
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
08:08:30 PM
Prove it.
NiceGuyEddie19
by fiester
Sep 8th, 2008
08:10:15 PM
I suppose that whole Jewish Holocaust thing was just an invention of the liberal media too then, right?
if you ask nicely Gus
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
08:11:24 PM
Mori may give you a cyber hug.

Then all will be well in the world.

Mori, ban me if you must, but this is truth...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:12:41 PM
The truth is... And this is going to surprise a lot of people and anger some... The Tuskegee airmen were actually Robert Downey Jr., my grandfather, and several other men in blackface.
If you want to do this...
by jsm1978
Sep 8th, 2008
08:13:03 PM
Go "Young Avengers" or something. Isn't the "patriot" character in that a black man? Gives the same idea without ticking off fans of a character with a 60 year history.
inform me
by illegaltouching
Sep 8th, 2008
08:13:53 PM
is the black suit/no flying superman the one directed by tim burton with cage as superman or the one scripted by kevin smith?
NiceGuyEddie19, when you say Gramps was THERE...
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
08:14:15 PM
...do you mean the local klan meeting?
How Much You Wanna Bet NiceGuyEddie19
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
08:15:40 PM
secretly sucks the cocks of old ex-marines cruising rest stops up and down the innerstate? He does it for Jebus and Dubya. HAAALAYLOOOYAH!!! DUH HILT!
Dude...
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 8th, 2008
08:17:14 PM
... you are a stone-cold nutter. If you're going to try to turn this talkback into the equivalent of a Holocaust denial thread, I'll fucking usher you out without hesitation. I'm already uncomfortable with a lot of the virulent reactions here, but you're not going to start pretending that the Tuskeegee Airmen simply didn't exist. That's just horseshit crazy.
LOL NiceGuyEddie...
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
08:17:21 PM
Hysterical!

Here's a suggestion: go with Vince Vaughn. YOU are an undiscovered talent!

LaserPants
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:17:43 PM
I'm surprised at you man. Read my above post. You can see quite obviously it was just an elaborate joke. As many times as you have come to my defense, now you emerge to insult me?
Wait...
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 8th, 2008
08:18:37 PM
... so it's just a dumb racist joke now and not an actual lunatic theory? I'm not sure which I dislike more.
Hey hey hey, Mori...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:19:16 PM
Why so serious? Man, I like your articles and wish you had continued your "versus" series... Why are ya getting to upset here? Read my posts above, I was just kiddin. Geez.
Well If It Was A Joke, It Backfired
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
08:19:38 PM
I came to your defense? Not saying I didn't, but I don't remember.
F@ck you HANCOCK!!! Really!
by TheBLIGHT
Sep 8th, 2008
08:19:44 PM
Not only did Willy-boy stink up a solid script turned to crap film H@nd-To-Cock... The arrogance inherant in the idea that he, his management, studio personel et al, anyone... thinks it a-ok to place him in this role is astonishing!
Not Remotely Funny
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 8th, 2008
08:21:01 PM
Miserable joke, dude. Deadly unfunny.
NiceGuyEddie19
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
08:21:09 PM
Please, shake some trees. There are always revisionists out there who will deny anything and everything. So, please lets hear your latest entry into the nutcase files.
OH...
by jsm1978
Sep 8th, 2008
08:21:31 PM
And I thought MCD was a terrible Kingpin, just for the record.

Whoever said 90 % of the people don't know who Cap is doesn't have a clue. His death was a big news item.

And in response to another comment... no one said "black people can't be superheros"... just don't change the race of established characters (particularly characters with THIS long of a history, and ties to actual history to boot).

I don't want a black guy to play Cap.
by Toonol
Sep 8th, 2008
08:21:31 PM
But then, I don't even a BROWN-HAIRED guy to play Cap. I don't even want a guy with GREEN EYES to play Cap. It's not crazy, racist, sexist, or eye-ist to want an actor to look like the character they're playing.
Brad Beyer as Cap
by Dodgy
Sep 8th, 2008
08:22:24 PM
The big farm dude from jericho. I could really see him wearing the red white and blue.
oh no Toad
by just pillow talk
Sep 8th, 2008
08:23:06 PM
He's joking. All is well. Cause we all know racist jokes are just the best on this site, right NiceGuyEddie?
Pillow, he is just a motard
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
08:25:30 PM
Was about to get his ass handed to him six ways to sunday, so out comes ' I was joking'
You guys...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:26:07 PM
What's with the inquisition? Have we honestly come to the point where a guy gets completely ostricized for racially based humor just because he's white? What about Chappelle, Lawrence, Murphy, etc? If you can give me an intellectually honest answer, I'll be satisfied.
The true life story of Martin Luther King
by happybunni
Sep 8th, 2008
08:28:14 PM
Staring Robert Downy Jr., as Martin Luther King
We're Talking About Denying That The Tuskeegee Airmen Existed, E
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
08:29:59 PM
Thats pretty fucked up. It didn't come off as a joke, it seemed like you meant it. The part about white dudes playing them in blackface was kinda funny in a satirical way. Maybe you didn't realize what you were writing or how it sounded.
I've Got Nothing...
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 8th, 2008
08:31:43 PM
... against smart humor of any kind. Just saying "Hey, the Holocaust didn't happen" or "Hey, the Tuskeegee Airmen were fake" is not particularly smart OR funny.
warghost and Toonol
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
08:31:50 PM
Is Bruce Wayne British? Is Tony Stark 5'8"? Uhm nope and nope. Did ont stop Bale and Downey, Jr. Oh, is Wolverine 6'2"? Uh, nope. I am not thrilled with the idea of changing Caps ethnic origin, especially if the movie is set in WWII. However, there is a dearth of Black comic book Characters - everyone keeps using Black Panther and Luke cage, because that is all they know (because that is all that existed for decades). So, why not shake it up? Perhaps Cap is the wrong character, but I have zero problems with Fury or Kingpin being black.
Mori, I understand to a degree...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:35:00 PM
Since we're talking about major historical issues, and, given that I apologize for my poor taste. I just wonder if it would have met with the same hostility if I were of another race, making jokes about, say, any random institution of W.A.S.P. culture, something valid and important to people.
I Want To See Someone Make A KRYPTO Movie
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
08:35:57 PM
You know, about Superman's pet dog that shows up sometimes. I think Krypto is fucking terrifying. He's a fucking dog with the powers of Superman! He's like the Dog God. If he goes nuts, its like, All Fucking Over. Come to think of it, Superman is kind of terrifying too. I'm glad Batman has a reserve of Kryptonite just in case. Supergirl is hot. Love to tap that ass. And Batgirl! And Catwoman! Man, that would be a sweet threesome to fall into. They'd by all kissing each other on the pussay, and I'd be like, whassup super bitches, and they'd be all, have sex with us and I'd be all totally, fuckin a, man, and like, totally fuck them all. Yeah!
NiceGuyEddie19
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
08:36:04 PM
When you invoked your 'grandfather' as being there, you lost all benefit of the doubt that you were simply making a joke. When Mori and others were about to wipe you off the face of the TB, you pulled out the lame ' I was joking' defense.
NiceGuyEddie19
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
08:39:55 PM
Once again you miss the point. You were engaging in revisionism, not humor. It would not matter what color or ethnic origin you were. That can not be tolerated - nor can flat out racist or bigoted statements.
Eddie Its The Way You Said It
by LaserPants
Sep 8th, 2008
08:39:59 PM
Sure a white man can make satirical racist jokes, but its how you say it and present it. It didn't sound like a joke. The part about white guys in black face playing the characters was kinda funny for instance.
toad
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:40:20 PM
That is untrue. I never even knew my grandfather, either one, so maybe I don't understand the emotional weight behind actually having one. My bad, I'm sorry. Geez.
"What about Chappelle, Lawrence, Murphy, etc? "
by fiester
Sep 8th, 2008
08:41:43 PM
The difference is: THEY'RE FUNNY. You are not.
Let's Put It This Way, Eddie...
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 8th, 2008
08:45:52 PM
... since I can see what you're insinuating: I don't believe in "reverse racism," and I don't believe the old saw, "Only white people can be racist." Racism is racism. Period. And revisionism of history is unacceptable, especially recent history that is 100% verifiable and as racially charged as what you made a joke about. I don't give a shit what color you are, and frankly, that wasn't part of my response. I didn't say, "You can't say that because you're white." You can't say what you said because it's grotesque and awful. See the difference?
"they're funny, you're not..."
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:46:22 PM
I actually kinda disagree. They're black and I'm not. I think that is the difference. Mori made the only significant point in that I was making a joke about a major historical event that people find true value in. The rest of you are either following his lead or just a bunch of lame ass white-guilty apologists.
Caps status in the Avengers is not Will Smiths persona
by G100
Sep 8th, 2008
08:47:21 PM
Captain America is far more of a respected father-figure sort of guy with real moral authority when you put him in the Avengers mix.

He never struck me as the one who was constantly throwing out one-liner gags and putdown to villains which is really what Will Smith would be more suited for. Spidermans usually the comic relief.

So if the Avengers film really is the destination for all these films then they must surely cast with the other actors already signed up in mind.

Though lets face it if Will Smith IS onboard that just makes the film a complete logistical nightmare for scheduling all the actors in the Avengers film.

And yes, Mori....
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
08:48:46 PM
I completely see the difference whereas I am entirely able to admit I could not before. I agree with you. You pointed out something I didn't see, which is the major aspect of disrespect to historical documentation. Other people who have complained have failed to impress me, but I am fully able to admit you're right about that.
Will Smith could pull it off but........
by JestaFool
Sep 8th, 2008
08:50:40 PM
I think it would pull people out of the movie too much. Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Russel Crowe, hell even the dark knight himself Christian Bale would be awesome as the capt but i dont know how that would work seeing as he is already in the dc universe.
Idris Elba as the Black Panther
by Mr_X
Sep 8th, 2008
08:52:24 PM
i've started the rumour
Despite our feelings, this is a briliant move Marvel!
by ganymede3010
Sep 8th, 2008
08:54:32 PM
Will is Smith is now who Tom Cruise use to be. Anything he's in is going to be a blockbuster, even if it's shitty (Wild Wild West). Now here's my main point, Captain America can not be White. The epic Marvel theme park that they're building in Dubai is devoid of any and everything that's Captain America. Thanks to the imperialistic Cowboy George Bush, no one outside America will pay to see Captain America, not even the Brits. Now, if Marvel wants this franchise to take off world wide they have to do something drastic. And by casting Will Smith will guarantee this movie will be a "world wide" blockbuster. I would of preferred Mcconaughey, but if Marvel is smart they'll pull the trigger on this. Marvel is basically giving us the middle finger, tells us to fuck off since they supplicated to the fanbois with Iron Man and the Hulk. Now they're doing a Movie for them. And you know Will Smith gets any roll "he wants" "any role". He doesn't ask for roles, he turns them down for living. Think about it. You know will is salivating to be Captain America, with his Captain sized ego!
Black Vulcan The Movie !
by G100
Sep 8th, 2008
08:55:05 PM
[explaining how he left the SuperFriends] "They said it was some sort of budget thing. But I think it's because I complained that they were always pairin' me up with a white SuperFriend, like I was gonna start super-lootin' the minute they weren't watchin'. And you think I named myself Black Vulcan? Hell, no! I used to go by SUPER Volt, "Black Vulcan" was Aquaman's idea. And I said, well, maybe we should just call you White Fish."

Pure electricity... in my pants.

Harvey Birdman thy name is Genius. ;-)

i hope this doenst sound racist
by joevfx
Sep 8th, 2008
08:55:14 PM
but Steve rogers has a well know look to him . he went from skrawny geek to basically perfect blonde hair blue eyes white guy. What thery are gonan do is cast teh wrong character for looks, ( regadless if he is a great actor) and its gonan take peopel out of the movie from scene one. Just liek they did with SUe richards, they realised they casted teh wrong look for her and they tried to fix it int eh secodn one by makign her skin paler and giving her creepy blue contacts. Hell i woudltn want arnold swatzenegger casted as Luke Cage.
A White Captain America will bomb overseas.
by ganymede3010
Sep 8th, 2008
09:02:41 PM
Like I said, the Neocons have tarnished the American brand. The only for this to work is to cast the biggest actor on the Planet. And that ladies and Gentleman is William Smith. And by him being Black will silence the far left cynics here in the States and abroad. However, the GOP will blow a gasket if this came into fruition.
Marvel did have a black Captain America
by Lauryn2000
Sep 8th, 2008
09:03:36 PM
The comic book came out a few years ago..Marvel PG 1 Truth red,white & black written by Robert Morales and Kyle Baker "The Future Part 1 of VI" A six part min series however introduces an earlier version of Captain America--and his saga doesn't have the same ending....some "you" of sound like the "purists" who sent emails to Marvel a few years ago. Get over it....in a few years there won't be just white or black.The majority is about to be spanish...and they are gonna want their own superhero!
gaymeade3010
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
09:10:58 PM
Exactly. In order for Captain America to succeed overseas, which is of course the goal of every American movie, he HAS to be African-American. You are absolutely right.
Keep Will Smith the fuck away from Captain America!
by SpyGuy
Sep 8th, 2008
09:11:03 PM
Unless Jessica Simpson is playing Storm in X-MEN 4 and Jack Black is Blade in BLADE 4, there is NO FUCKING WAY Will Smith should be Captain America. That douchebag ruined THE WILD, WILD WEST with his stunt casting and he'd do the same thing here.
TomBodet_too
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 8th, 2008
09:12:12 PM
Can't tell what you're saying. Whether you get it or not, of if you're a sellout apologist douche or not. I honestly can't tell.
WILL SMITH - EVEN HE WOULD SAY BULLSHIT
by Mr_X
Sep 8th, 2008
09:12:19 PM
he knows not to mess with white icons, after doing wild wild west, thats why he turned down when offered superman. this rumour is bullshit plan and simple
A WORD OF ADVICE FOR MARVEL!
by JERRY HORROR
Sep 8th, 2008
09:15:55 PM
.....please just cast an unknown and have seasoned vets as supporting roles. Trust me. It's the only way to get this right. Plus last week, wasn't an "American Gladiator" in contention for the role? I'll wait til' the ink dries on this one. Also, this country really needs a "Captain America" film. I don't always agree with our political climate, but, I am proud to be an American, I was raised to be patriotic. My grandfather and my father served, both Italian Immigrants who believed in the ideals of this country. www.myspace.com/jerryhorror
Vincent Chase
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
09:16:25 PM
for Aquaman
THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN DID NOT EXIST
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
09:21:04 PM
in NiceGuyEddie's mind. But Talkback has a way of clarifying falsehoods and educating people. I like that.
JOHN MCCAIN AND BARACK OBAMA ARE BOTH CAPTAINS OF AMERICA TO ME
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
09:24:14 PM
Except one has a total fucking loon from Alaska, who speaks in tongues and lies more than Satan, as a running mate.
He won't be Steve Rogers. He'll be Isaiah Bradley.
by themanwhojaped
Sep 8th, 2008
09:24:52 PM
He won't be Steve Rogers. He'll be Isaiah Bradley. Isaiah Bradley was the FIRST Captain America, pre-Super Soldier serum. He had a prototype version of the serum that was passed along in his genetics to his grandson, who is the black superhero 'Patriot'. Guarantee you he will be Bradley.
Obama as the guy who will win!
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
09:25:46 PM
Nicolas Cage to play Luke Cage
by DarthBakpao
Sep 8th, 2008
09:26:04 PM
SHIA LEBEOUF AS IRON FIST!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
09:27:33 PM
BWAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHHAHAHHAHAH AHAAH!!!
Gee, NiceguyEddie guess all my school reports...
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
09:27:55 PM
On the Tuskegee Airmen was bullshit. Har. Har.
I WILL DESTROY MARVEL COMICS IF THIS HAPPENS!
by Bob Cryptonight
Sep 8th, 2008
09:32:04 PM
I have a deathray in the basement. I'm not kidding.
MORI or HARRY
by th3480
Sep 8th, 2008
09:32:12 PM
Any chance that the casting of Will Smith is because Marvel wants to do the "Isiah Bradley" Cap, and not the Steve Rodgers Cap? Just a thought - may be may off base, but the whole "Truth" mini-series that they did a few years back was pretty interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I saiah_Bradley
Rumor has it Shia will play Robin in Batman 3!
by ganymede3010
Sep 8th, 2008
09:33:26 PM
For real, I read it in Wikipedia. So it has to be true.
I think they should do Isiah Bradley
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 8th, 2008
09:34:58 PM
Considering that so many Steve Rogers fans will shit themselves if WillSmith gets the part.
Isaiah Bradley, the black Captain America
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
09:36:12 PM
I know shit all about teh Captain America universe. Just wiki'd Bradley, and yeah, he's the black Captain America, of a line of African Americans who were tested before Steve Rogers. There you go...
This casting is just a really stupid idea
by GreatCzarsGhost
Sep 8th, 2008
09:36:33 PM
nuff said
NiceGuyEddie....
by AnakinsDiapers
Sep 8th, 2008
09:42:36 PM
I still don't think you understand wh Mori and others we're going for your balls. It's not about telling a racial joke or being disrespectful to history. Simply put, your initial post sounded genuine. It didn't come off as a joke. Stand outside the box for a moment and read your post as another reader would have. It reads pretty straight. Your following remark about white actors in blackface had enough absurdism in it to be an obvious joke, but by that point you were coming off as a racist who's using snide sarcasm to drive his point. Again, we aren't mind readers here. Your initial post didn't read "joke".
Will Smith as Captain America?
by Hipshot
Sep 8th, 2008
09:43:44 PM
Look: I'm black and I don't see it. It shifts the entire focus of the basic C.A. mythology in an odd way--not "stunt" casting but sheer star-vehicle casting, moving away from what made "Iron Man" such a fine movie. The resulting movie might well make a ton of money, but it's a rotten decision.
USAIN BOLT AS THE FLASH!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
09:45:43 PM
One can argue that's not really stunt casting.
Joseph Gordon Levitt as Capatin America
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Sep 8th, 2008
09:47:13 PM
A good way to waste enough money to save a few starving nations
by Citizen Sane
Sep 8th, 2008
09:48:31 PM
The most uninspired super hero packaged and performed by the most disappointing industry machine. Whatta match!!!
MICHAEL PHELPS AS THE SUB-MARINER!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
09:48:53 PM
Nastia Liukin as the bad girl who needs a long spanking!!!
Is this the first sign of the Apocolypse?
by My best friend
Sep 8th, 2008
09:51:07 PM
This will surely make Al Queda pissed!
The Lookout was a good movie.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Sep 8th, 2008
09:52:56 PM
And I spelled "Catpain" wrong, damn me. Damn me to Hell!
FUCK ! THAT ! SHIT!
by THXER
Sep 8th, 2008
09:55:00 PM
Chuck
by DarthBakpao
Sep 8th, 2008
09:56:45 PM
Dolph Lundgren to play Shang-Chi!
by DarthBakpao
Sep 8th, 2008
09:57:22 PM
Chuck Norris as the aging Kato!
by DarthBakpao
Sep 8th, 2008
09:58:01 PM
If they want a black guy to be Cap, fine...
by Crimson Dynamo
Sep 8th, 2008
09:58:06 PM
but not Big Willy. Is Snipes too old?
Fucking hell, this rumor actually sounds like it could happen
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
09:59:23 PM
Ok, Samuel L. Jackson works as Nick Fury, because of the "Ultimate" series. But there is no reason for Will Smith as Captain America. Even if they want to do the Bradley origin story, they still need to do Steve Roger's origin.
Verne Troyer as Franklin Richards!
by DarthBakpao
Sep 8th, 2008
09:59:30 PM
Gary Coleman to play infant Obama
by DarthBakpao
Sep 8th, 2008
10:00:59 PM
If Smith played Isaiah Bradley....
by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle
Sep 8th, 2008
10:01:17 PM
...in the beginning and we still have a white Steve Rogers, I'd be all for this. I was very excited about Truth and bought every issue...and it sucked. I always thought it was an awesome idea with very poor execution - a real missed opportunity. I'd like to see it tackled in the movie. But I don't wanna see Will Smith as Steve Rogers, sorry.
NICEGUYEDDIE AS A TUSKEGEE AIRMAN!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
10:04:36 PM
Just busting your testicles, Eddie.
Really Captain America?
by Series7
Sep 8th, 2008
10:05:08 PM
Did anyone see Handco.....wait that movie made shit tons of money that the Incredible Hulk didn't. I guess Marvel just wants to make sure they have a hit like Ironman.
To be honest, the comic book would be better if CAP was black...
by Bob Cryptonight
Sep 8th, 2008
10:05:31 PM
Too bad it was impossible to do back in the 1940s...but the story idea is sound because you can damn well see the U.S. Government experimenting on an African American back then. And the irony would be that Cap then ends up fighting for freedom with the U.S. Army despite it all. But I think it would be a bad idea to make a black Captain America in the movie the same guy they ended up finding frozen in the glacier.
It could work if...
by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle
Sep 8th, 2008
10:07:44 PM
Bradley gets the serum and acts a kind of mentor to Steve Rogers' Cap. Or...if Bradley disappears at some point and reappears in a sequel on the opposite side, sort of combining Bucky and Isaiah Bradley together.
To NiceguyEddie
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
10:09:00 PM
My friend was reading "Mein Comf" the other day, and was bitching about people thinking he was a Nazi. I knew he wasn't a Nazi, or had any similar thoughts as the party. But everyone who looked at him thought "Hmmm, he must be a Nazi." Do you see what we mean now. Just because you didn't mean to send out that sorta message, others translated that message as either racist, or just ignorant.
I like Will but
by rogueleader66
Sep 8th, 2008
10:09:06 PM
I don't want to see him as Capt. America. Nothing about that casting makes sense. I hope it's just a stupid rumor started by someone with a really bad sense of humor. Check out my blog-http://movietalktime.blog spot.com/
To NiceguyEddie
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
10:09:09 PM
My friend was reading "Mein Comf" the other day, and was bitching about people thinking he was a Nazi. I knew he wasn't a Nazi, or had any similar thoughts as the party. But everyone who looked at him thought "Hmmm, he must be a Nazi." Do you see what we mean now. Just because you didn't mean to send out that sorta message, others translated that message as either racist, or just ignorant.
WARWICK DAVIS AS CAPTAIN AMERICA'S SHIELD
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
10:10:10 PM
I owe that one to the CoCers.
I like Will but....
by rogueleader66
Sep 8th, 2008
10:11:59 PM
This is not a good casting choice if it is even true. It's probably a bad rumor started by some idiot. Will is a capable actor, but having him as Capt.America just doesn't feel right. I hope it's just a bad joke. Check out my blog-http://movietalktime.blog spot.com/
Ooops
by rogueleader66
Sep 8th, 2008
10:12:35 PM
Sorry about the double post guys!!!
D.L. Hughley for U.S. AGENT!!!
by SamBlackChvrch21
Sep 8th, 2008
10:14:26 PM
Confirmed casting
Damn it
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
10:17:13 PM
how did my message to niceguyeddie post twice?
BSB
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
10:21:07 PM
The CoC thanks you for the shout out and the for the acknowledgement of the demi god known as Warwick Davis
Marvel wouldnt be that stupid
by pipergates
Sep 8th, 2008
10:28:25 PM
the studios might be
TKD - NO, 'TIS I WHO OWES THE CoC
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
10:28:56 PM
for your thoroughly entertaining and laughalicious discussions of all things Warwick and Tremors.
Serously though, Don Cheadle....
by Cletus Van Damme
Sep 8th, 2008
10:31:36 PM
...would be a killer Black Panther.
Jackie Chan as Captain America
by PTSDPete
Sep 8th, 2008
10:31:59 PM
hmmm lets review shall we?
by j2talk
Sep 8th, 2008
10:36:11 PM
Daredevil= people had a problem with Ben Affleck- me? I liked it, especially the directors cut.... FF=people took issue with jessica alba- again, i didnt think the films(either of them) were that bad.... Captain America with Will Smith????Epic Fail.... Robert Downey JR as Tony Stark?!?!?!Now THAT was perfect casting.....
Wilford Brimley for Captain America!
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
10:36:13 PM
Who is more Amurrican than The Brim? Who could kick more ass, take more names, and get more ass, than The Brim? No one! The Brim was smacking motards in the forties and is still smacking them today! I say, The Brim IS Captain America!
JoeVFX's post made my brain hurt
by half vader
Sep 8th, 2008
10:36:17 PM
Fuckin' kids these days and their phone messaging shenanigans...
j2talk
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
10:39:29 PM
The Internets were in a tizzy over RDJ as Stark. It was not perfect casting (Stark is better looking, taller, and suave - think Tom Selleck in the 80's), but it turned out perfectly. Same deal with Jackman.
LMAO...
by SK229
Sep 8th, 2008
10:41:47 PM
at just the 'Warwick Davis as Everyone' TB title. Funny shit!
Djimon Hounsou...
by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle
Sep 8th, 2008
10:43:07 PM
..from Blood Diamond would make an awesome Black Panther.
JCWolfwood
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
10:43:30 PM
Did you even think to look up the title of Hitler's book before typing your otherwise interesting post? It's "Mein KAMPF." You could have learned that in 30 seconds with any search engine. Really, man, such mistakes reflect poorly upon even an AICN TBer.
Will Smith should be Luke Cage
by Nuking the Fridge
Sep 8th, 2008
10:45:54 PM
There were scenes where he reminded me of Luke Cage in the movie Hancock, he is well built, and looked like the character. As for Captain America, this character is so visually iconic, I just can not picture him being played by Will Smith. That would be one of the worst castings ever. And the backlash would be ridiculous. I would be very much like to see Arron Eckhardt as Captain, I can totally see that.
Sorry about the typo
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
10:46:47 PM
No one is perfect. At least you got what I was trying to say.
It is stunt casting because
by Sanuro
Sep 8th, 2008
10:47:17 PM
he can't act. He plays himself in every role, even Ali. Cap is very serious-minded. Smith ain't.
Mori and NiceGuyEddie and Capt
by Darwyn
Sep 8th, 2008
10:47:24 PM
That's an interesting fight to walk in on. I find it interesting that I find Mori's reviews stunningly brilliant most of the time, yet I usually don't understand the battles he chooses. I agree with AnakinsDiapers, that the issue here was just as likely a case of dry humor gone bad, so why not have the self-awareness to acknowledge the possibility? Frankly, I don't buy the idea that you can't joke about revisionist history - I think revisionist humor is hysterical! You mean there is someone who thinks the Holocaust didn't happen??? I'm in fucking stitches! To make fun of them accordingly isn't inherently evil - perhaps it's in questionable taste in certain forums or at least risky, but with people who know your inclination (other people who know the Holocaust happened, for instance), it's perfectly legit. Yes, funny. Definately doesn't have to be racism to make fun of racists, but for all I know, Eddie may have meant it racistly - I'm just not going to speculate. I draw issue with the harpooning he's getting as if we know for sure he's a friggin died in the wool racist (mentioning that marines are supersoldiers painted you as a kind of conservative archetype in my mind which didn't help, though Eddie) is purely a factor of getting into an argument and not being able to take the gear out of 'escalation.' I find the idea that you can't disrespect history as funny as I did when I thought Eddie actually believed that bullshit. Your talking history, a discipline that only recently stopped being the biased story of what how we became great, he said derisively (not to get down on history, but as a method, it needs other fields to augment it's limitations). Oh, and as a character I don't particularly know or care for, I say with ignorant bliss that I don't care if Will plays him, so long as he doesn't once play it like himself, which is highly unlikely, so yeah, I guess I don't think it's a good idea. However, a black Captain America might provide the post-modern twist of juxtaposing the super-patriotism of a red, white and blue unitard with a man that, under the circumstances, would represent our country's less-than-noble track record on race relations. It could actually make the character interesting.
Funny thing is
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
10:48:31 PM
I did type it in to google to see if I was spelling "Mein Kampf" right.
Does Anyone Read These Threads ...
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
10:49:39 PM
before posting the exact same bits of information others already have, acting as if no one had done so earlier? How many times has "Truth: Red, White and Black" been introduced to us now? It first pops up barely 50 posts in, and 640 posts later it's still being touted as if none of us had heard of it!
Sorry, JC ...
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
10:50:38 PM
I get unreasonably outraged sometimes. And without right, clearly.
MEIN BAMPF: THE STORY OF NIGHTCRAWLER
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 8th, 2008
10:53:41 PM
Starring - you guessed it - Will Smith.
DennisMM
by JCWolfwood
Sep 8th, 2008
10:53:54 PM
It's cool. The internet does these things to people (here is where most people would put "lol," to indicate this is a joke.)
Mein Bampf
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
10:57:03 PM
But would they paint him blue? Would they glue lots of fuzz of any color to his face? He has a fuzzy face, you know, just like the Beast. It's true! (This was an argument I had on AICN's Zone forum 18 months ago.)
Mein Camp
by Chishu_Ryu
Sep 8th, 2008
10:58:00 PM
The story of a young Hitler and this one time at band...
Mine Camp
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
11:00:19 PM
Naw, that makes no sense at all.
The truth about Will Smith is . . .
by follyway
Sep 8th, 2008
11:02:28 PM
that of all the "rumored" or proposed cap's he gives me the most hope. Most of these guys being mentioned as "dream casting" are far to old or scrawney or subversive. The role requires a physicality and muscularity perhaps more than any other major superhero in my opion. I can buy a more svelt superman I could even see the proposed Pitt casting acceptable for Thor more than capt. Not because of how he is drawn but because he is a god he doesnt need big muscles hes supernatural. Captain America is about taking the human body to its peak and I beleive smith can pull that off more than any other marquee name being thrown around with the exception of Dwayne Johnson. Granted it would require a new framework for capt but if handled correctly could be very interesting.
Mein Voight-Kampff
by DennisMM
Sep 8th, 2008
11:02:36 PM
It's the dialogue from "Blade Runner" as subtitles for that "Bunker" film that was all over the internet a while back.
Darwyn
by toadkillerdog
Sep 8th, 2008
11:10:13 PM
He was 'harpooned' long before he decided to say 'it was a joke'. His posts came across not as an attempt at humor - I defy anyone to read his first two posts on that subject and see any attempt at humor in them. No, it appeared that he was sincerely trying to be revisionist and obliquely racist. That is why he was harpooned. After he saw the shitstorm he was tacking into, he changed his tune and said ' it was a joke'. Well, if it was, it was on him. I am still not ceratin he was joking though.
Black Panther = Chiwetel what's his name
by Amadeo Zeller
Sep 8th, 2008
11:10:24 PM
He played the Opertive in Serenity and he was pretty good in Red Belt. You all know this to be true.
Forget about race we need a Capt Under 40!!
by follyway
Sep 8th, 2008
11:12:20 PM
Every name thrown out Eckhart, Pitt, Smith, McConaughey are all way too old. He should be the age of a GI wanting to enlist to fight in WW2 not a guy goiong thru a midlife crisis Channing Tatum or some such?
Because "Truth"...
by jdb1972
Sep 8th, 2008
11:19:43 PM
... was such a great idea and smash hit. Sigh.
Will Smith - Steve Rogers?
by blah13
Sep 8th, 2008
11:21:15 PM
Nah. A talent like the Fresh Prince could be val;uable to the movie, but in a lesser role, like buddy from Truth: Red White and Black (i forget the character's name). Steve Rogers is pretty iconic as a white guy with boinde hair, so i would figure the logical choice to play him would be...GORDON RAMSAY!!!
but...
by blah13
Sep 8th, 2008
11:22:14 PM
it's still be better than Cher as Catwoman
I'm a little concerned...
by The Eskimo
Sep 8th, 2008
11:22:59 PM
...over some of the racist overones in this talkback. (Not to say I'm surprised) I agree that it's a stupid idea to cast Will Smith as CAP (because we've seen him in the comics as a white guy for the last forty years- ulinke I Robot who's character was pretty ambiguous- NOT because a black man can't be Capt. America) but there is a real fine line between sarcasm and donwright tastelessness. Of course, a lot of you have a reputation to uphold so who am I to judge.
i'm sorry...but captain america should be...
by chaseguy17
Sep 8th, 2008
11:23:14 PM
White. I'm already pissed samuel jackson is playing Nick Fury...and lets not even talk about Kingpin in DareDevil. It just destroys the backstories of these characters to make them completely different. I'd be pissed if a white person played Bishop, Storm, Blade etc. The characters should be who they are supposed to be...especially if they plan on making an avengers film. Need I say more than the "Catwoman" film? I love will Smith. He's a great actor, and he makes films sincerely entertaining. He'd be a great green lantern, or bishop, warmachine. Seriously...i think they could make a pretty badass bishop movie with will smith. But Captain America was a cliche posterboy for the anti nazi soldier. It should be kept that way. That's who the character is. Now if they want to do something where the original dies...and will smith takes over...I guess I could live with that. But Steve Rogers...keep him how he is.
Perfect Casting
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
11:25:57 PM
Mark-Paul Gosselar = Captain America. Zack Morris? Yep. Awesome? Yep. Could it be more obvious? Nope.
On second thought...
by Darwyn
Sep 8th, 2008
11:26:13 PM
Okay, I'll give you this Toadkillerdog - it's more than likely he wasn't joking. I personally don't think he's an asshole or a douchebag if his grandfather filled his head with garbage, or some racist community or family similarly twisted him, if he did intend it that way. That said, I still maintain that the remote possibility that Mr foot-in-mouth might have had a moment (or a life trend) of complete lack of social awareness in thinking that the joke was so obvious it didn't need overt signs it was a joke. I have to say, I am inclined to think that a comment about the Tuskegee Airmen being a hoax has to be a joke, because statistically, people who believe that shit are few and far between. Because of inclinations like that, I've made jokes before that I assumed had to be taken as such, but were not, and maybe I'm sensitive to the phenomena. However, I conceed, we probably did stumble on just such an breed.
Seriously? Perfect Casting?
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
11:27:40 PM
Mark-Paul Gosselar? Really? YES.
no no no no
by slkboxrman
Sep 8th, 2008
11:31:33 PM
i love will smith, but cptn america cant be black.... i dont care if nick fury and kingpin were cast with big name black actors but neither one was the main star of the movie, nor the superhero in each movie...if the hero himself is black then thats fine..... just imagine if they did cast a white on white dude to play "black panther" ...im sure there would be an uproar also..
Will Smith For Bishop In A Cable Movie
by Media Messiah
Sep 8th, 2008
11:31:40 PM
Now I could go for that, but Chiwetel Ejiofor is my favorite new actor in a generation. I don't know about Will in back to back super hero films, perhaps if he played a villain would be interesting?

I could see Ejiofor as Luke Cage and Smith as his evil nemesis. Will needs a change, a chance for him to deliver his Joker, or Lex Luthor...not literally, not that he is a Heath Ledger, but you see what the Joker role did for Ledger. It's time for Will Smith to play against type instead of always playing the hero...it is time for him to play the villain and expand on what he can do as an actor.
Am I the only one concerned . . .
by follyway
Sep 8th, 2008
11:33:03 PM
not at the names attached to these cating rumours, but that they are so rampant and we dont have anyone at the helm yet? Priority number one is a quality Captain America film. As someone who has multiple Capt statues it scares me that we've been hearing casting rumors for months but nothing on potential director's. Let's remeber Marvel wanted nothing to do with Downey it was Favreau who convinced them to even consider it before closing the deal with a reading. Look back when Ledger was brought on as the Joker, people were losing their minds. But, to hear Nolan tell it that was his guy from the word go no question. I guesse what Im saying is regardles of who is cast from A list to unknown I want to know that the casting is serving a specific vision other than green for the execs, rather than a vision adopted to support the casting!
Bucky will be Martin Short
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:35:07 PM
Role of a lifetime
by IndoorPlumbing
Sep 8th, 2008
11:35:20 PM
http://www.bagofnothing.com/wo rdpress/wp-content/uploads/200 6/04/markpaulgosselaar.jpg
Directed by Micheal "SuperAwesome" Bay
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:35:44 PM
This may have been said already...
by IronSpidey
Sep 8th, 2008
11:35:46 PM
But Nathan Fillion would make a good Cap. Also, I refuse to believe this could be true.
Oops, I meant Martin Lawrence as Bucky but...
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:36:48 PM
...Short would work too. I always thought InnerSpace was under rated.
Captain Africa
by Ricky Retardo
Sep 8th, 2008
11:37:04 PM
Why not have Will Smith as an African super-hero who fights Arab Muslim slavers operating in the Sudan today? Or fighting a villian like Marxist dictator, Robert Mugabe?
I hope this film is sent WW2, frozen, in modern day.
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:38:44 PM
Otherwise what's the point.
How come Will Smith can't be Black Panther
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:40:33 PM
he's in the Avengers. I mean it would be like Keanu Reeves playing Luke Cage, or...Black Panther
Micheal Jackson as the Red Skull.
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:42:07 PM
WILL SMITH WILL MAKE A GREAT CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
by Illuminate
Sep 8th, 2008
11:42:12 PM
I grew up reading Captain America, Avengers, Thor and Spider-Man, I even collected the older ones on sale at the comic store. My favorite Captain America went nuts on the Super-Soldier serium and had more of a personality. Let's face it, I am a Captain America comic lover but, Captain America can be boring sometimes. The last thing I want is for them to cast someone who looks as pretty as Captain America does and he ends up being as one-dimensional as Thomas Jane did for the Punisher. We all know that blacks where in WW2. The new Spike Lee movie trailer looks awesome. Will Smith can play a great Captain America and stick to it's origins. Plus, it would make more sense that they are testing an serum on a black man. Considering how America screwed over the black man in the early 20th century would make Captain America have more depth showing that he still loves his country. Also, Nick Fury was boring until they made him into Samuel L. Jackson. Nich Fury comics where never really hot sellers and I hardly ever (like for years) saw them in the comic store. But, when they added personality. Overall, Smith can still stick to the Captain America origins and he can add depth to the real USA without any sugarcoated bullshit. The movie will make a hundred million more if they cast Will Smith.
Webster as Bucky
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:42:50 PM
I meant set in WW2, not sent
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:48:00 PM
I'm a complete fuck-up tonight. Illuminate has a point. I just don't think Smith is that good of actor. What about Chiwetel Ejiofor from Red Belt, he's ten times the actor Smith is. And he can believably kick ass on film.
Chiwetel Ejiofor would be better than Will Smith
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:54:00 PM
if the angle of the film is going to follow what Illuminate pointed out. I'm not too familiar with Cap America, is there any pinnacle series point that defines him like Daredevil(F.Miller), Hulk(Grey Hulk/P.David), or Batman(F.Miller/Moore/Morrison /etc.)? I mean outside of that publicity stunt that followed in the path of Superman.
What's the best Cap America story arc/ Graphic Novel?
by kirttrik
Sep 8th, 2008
11:55:23 PM
I'm just not too familiar with the character, if anyone has any suggestions let me know.
Hey Darwyn...
by Boo Cocky
Sep 8th, 2008
11:55:27 PM
"However, a black Captain America might provide the post-modern twist of juxtaposing the super-patriotism of a red, white and blue unitard with a man that, under the circumstances, would represent our country's less-than-noble track record on race relations. It could actually make the character interesting." So we should cast a member of our Olympic track team?
Cap should be white....but
by AnakinsDiapers
Sep 8th, 2008
11:57:27 PM
The oh so tired rebuttal, "random white actor should be black Panther / storm / luke cage etc., etc." is just a lame argument. Y'see, for many of the scarce prominent black characters out there, being black is a primary part of their self image. It is tied inherently into the character. The Black Panther is an African king. Guess what? black. Storm is an African who was worshipped as a goddess in her youth. Guess what? black. Luke Cage was the inner city black youth that fell into trouble but eventually made good. luke Cage is Shaft with super strength and steel hard skin. Guess what? black. Bishop? He's some guy from the future. There isn't a thing in his backstory or general character that neccessitates he be black. So really, the only thing that would make me annoyed by casting Bishop white is the lack of black superheroes on the screen in the first place. it's not as if there's a plethora of well known or historicly prominent black superheroes to choose from.
Isiah Bradley Cameo
by samurai sark
Sep 9th, 2008
12:00:57 AM
thats my two cents. It'd be nice to see Will Smith's ego play a cameo role, but no way is he being considered for Steve Rogers.

Now Wentworth Miller, he'd be a cool Steve Rogers. I am aware he's English, but he's pretty no-nonesense in Prison Break.

Max Von Sydow for Red Skull.
Jason Stratham want's to be Daredevil.
by AnakinsDiapers
Sep 9th, 2008
12:01:32 AM
And though i like him as an actor, that would piss me off to no end. Will he wear a red wig? Can he do an american accent? In the unlikely event a sequel gets underway, will he be asked to do these things? Makes me cringe.
Paul Walker for Cap
by samurai sark
Sep 9th, 2008
12:02:47 AM
If you haven't seen 'Running Scared', Paul Walker actually does some ACTING!
I'd pay to see Statham as DD
by samurai sark
Sep 9th, 2008
12:04:00 AM
but only if it was directed by Guy Ritchie
what was my point about DD again?....
by AnakinsDiapers
Sep 9th, 2008
12:06:40 AM
...oh, right: Casting Matt Murdock black, or english for that matter, would piss me off because Matt Murdock being Irish Catholic is a huge part of his character. It shapes too much of what he is as a person that changing that would make me ask, "then why do a daredevil movie?"
Who's cast as the Mutha Fuckin Brown Hornet?
by conspiracy
Sep 9th, 2008
12:06:48 AM
Wentworth Miller is half black
by Amadeo Zeller
Sep 9th, 2008
12:12:36 AM
These fanboys will definitely find fault with that.
If Miller were running for president
by samurai sark
Sep 9th, 2008
12:13:57 AM
that'd be considered all black. Just an observation.
Should "The Mandarin"
by samurai sark
Sep 9th, 2008
12:15:27 AM
be Asian? Hmm...
Irish Catholic DD
by samurai sark
Sep 9th, 2008
12:16:49 AM
They really should have hired Colin Farrel then. He was wasted as Bullseye.

Is it too late for Sean Bean, or does DareDevil HAVEW to be young?
Boo Cocky
by Darwyn
Sep 9th, 2008
12:47:35 AM
Sure, the olympic track team represents America at the games, but correct me if I'm wrong, Captain America is supposed represent the character of America. I think it'd be funny to make the symbol of American pride black, given that so many people in this country aren't prepared to represent themselves abstractly through a black character, much less make one the symbol of America. I would find that an amusing paradox, wouldn't you?

Just as these times would call for any biography on Jessie Owens to examine the double standard of making him our hero and second-class citizen, these times would read a fictious take on a similar scenario (black symbol of America) for the deep contradictions in it.

I Didn't Know Steve Rogers Had Died...
by Rogue Planet
Sep 9th, 2008
12:51:41 AM
...in the comics. I mean, I didn't even know he was *sick*. Sorry, I know...bad joke. Either way, much as I like Will Smith, it's just a bad idea. Nice to see that it's just a fake rumor after all.
Chiwetel Ejiofor - you talkbackers are too funny!
by half vader
Sep 9th, 2008
01:41:59 AM
Man, and YOU all complain about stunt casting!!

Imagine if this was a few years back and the last thing you'd seen him in was Kinky Boots, not Redbelt... Tools.

Everyone references Nick Fury..
by malificus
Sep 9th, 2008
03:27:05 AM
..but it's not really a fair comparison. Nick Fury is a dated second bananna, and as much as I love the character his look was cliche'd in the 60's. I'm not pericularly a fan of Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, not because he's black but simply because I'm goddawful SICK of Sam Jackson. Give it a rest already. I don't think race is THAT big an issue as far as Cap goes, he's actually my favorite character but even at that a black man during WW2 would definitely give some depth to a character that's always struggled with seeming very one-dimensional. I Started reading Cap in the 120's and tho I don't read the current crop of Marvel crap (Kill Cap? Fuck you!!Bucky staying dead was the only thing that saved Marvel's soul for years)I still love the character and I don't think Smith is suited for the role, NOR do I believe there's any serious offer out there. Brad Pitt for Thor though, my wife groans but I'm bringing her around.It's not about the muscles, the characters have to be done by great actors, see Iron Man and the Hulk for reference.
Is blackness inherit to Blade?
by David Cloverfield
Sep 9th, 2008
04:29:12 AM
TSquared's Idea is Good
by bottombrick
Sep 9th, 2008
05:06:51 AM
for a one-off, but for a movie building up to the Avengers flick the closer they stay to the Classic the better. And as high water marks for repugnant shit NiceGuyEddie defending himself and Jack'sUserId calling the black guy he was yelling at Shitlocks made me physically sick. Its great that you save the bans for people who hate the scriptgirl videos, and the most flak you can catch in a talkback like this is if you spell Hitler's book wrong.
John McCain As The Bitter Old Man Who Lost The Election
by LaserPants
Sep 9th, 2008
05:32:35 AM
Once you start trying to awkwardly hijack the other guys message ("change"), then, sorry, you lost. It doesn't matter if your running mate is a relatively attractive Nazi Xtian, she's still a Nazi Xtian. Changes nothing. Time to drink your cup of sorrow, John, and retire.
Laser giving advice on winning elections?
by JackRabbitSlim
Sep 9th, 2008
06:02:02 AM
That would be ... 0 for 11 years last i checked. Oh and have you forgotten - Barack the Xtian has that lovely Jesus on his side too - that sneaky fucker apparently is endorsing both sides in this election.
Seriously - how do atheists vote for Barack
by JackRabbitSlim
Sep 9th, 2008
06:08:39 AM
It must be annoying to see the savior spouting out such tripe as "I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ." Just asking.
"inherit" to Blade?
by half vader
Sep 9th, 2008
06:09:35 AM
What ARE you talking about man?
WHOOPI GOLDBERG AS THE MARTIAN MANHUNTER!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 9th, 2008
06:15:24 AM
It could happen in our lifetime! Change is coming! Fight with me!!!
Micheal Caine met with Chris nolan sometime after..
by emeraldboy
Sep 9th, 2008
06:18:52 AM
batman begins and Caine said Chris there is no way you can top Batman begins. Caine revealed that Nolan said to him I going to bring back the joker to which caine replied Holy Shit. are you going to get jack nicholson. Caine was the first person to hear that nolan had got the late Heath Legder. and caine felt there was no way nolan could top Batman Begins and Caine said that he was wrong and that Nolan did. Caine said that he had heard the rumours about the villains for the next batman film and admitted there had been talks. Rumours are flying around that WB has decided who the next villains will be and who will play them. Caine talked to Nolan and caine said that he didnt know if nolan could top Dark Knight. Caine revealed that Nolan had mentioned Depp as the riddler and Philip Seymour hoffman as the penguin. if there is to be a third movie and nobody knows at this stage if there will be. The idea for the penguin is that he will be an arms dealer. This was all on Dark Horizons. Its all bs at this stage of course. interesting none the less.
JACKRABBIT'S TRYING TO DERAIL THE TALKBACK
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 9th, 2008
06:19:34 AM
No politicking before 9:00AM EST. Read the rules.
I think guy ritchie should do a...
by emeraldboy
Sep 9th, 2008
06:21:38 AM
comic book film. with Jason Statham. produced/wriiten by Luc Besson and directed Louis Letterier.
OMG DEPP AS RIDDLER AND HOFFMAN AS PENGUIN
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 9th, 2008
06:21:42 AM
That would be amazing. I'm fucking serious. And after Heath's performance, Nolan COULD get those two actors. This is good new.s
BSB
by just pillow talk
Sep 9th, 2008
06:31:45 AM
Please take a look at the second comment in this thread. You will see that you are more CoC leaning than you first realized...
No way Smith will be Cap
by Dazzler69
Sep 9th, 2008
06:52:46 AM
Nobody would accept that accept race baiters. Will is doing great as Hancock, let him keep doing that. Cap in the 40's had to be white for America at that time in history for real soldiers fighting overseas. If it was made for the first time these days it would be ok.
Mori
by cineninja
Sep 9th, 2008
07:33:36 AM
Seriously...Robert Downey Jr in Black Face...forgotten Tropic Thunder already? Your kneejerk reaction to his joke, funny or not, is way disproportionate to the joke. You better ban Tropic Thunder now...or Dont mess With The Zohan. For all the blatant trolling Bullshit I see on this sight that is FAR more upsetting and vile methinks you protest to much and the issue is your own. What I DID find offensive was you comparing his joke to Holocaust Denial so maybe take a look at yourself and what irresponsible things YOU post before cracking on someone else. Even if it WASNT a joke comparing the severity of whether the Airman or the Fighting 44th existed to genocide...well...not even close. That being said Im tired of Hollywoods revisionist history. Lets take a character like Black Panther and have Woody Harrelson play him...or Luke Cage played by Hulk Hogan. Lets stop supporting this overly PC Hollywood Crap...Steve Rogers is Blond Haired and blue eyed. He grew up in New York but not in Harlem and when he tried to join teh Army they said no because he was frail not black. This whole thing is such a blatant publicity stunt and it would backfire badly. They didnt make Superman a redheaded Irishman like myself. They didnt make Spiderman Latino...they didnt make Starbuck a girl...ooops....strike that. The point is its freakin patronizing politically correct stunt casting bullshit and its not a change thats even REMOTELY organic to the Cap mythos. If they pull this shit they will not get another dime from me on principle and I am a Will Smith fan. So lay off Eddie...it was apparent to some of us that it was a joke and far LESS offensive then a lot of teh stuff this site lets slide.
Be Careful
by BeyondStatic
Sep 9th, 2008
08:02:59 AM
If Superman won't work in this day and age, what chance does Capt. America have? These are trying times with the world and our nation as it is. We're looking for a hero, but he has to be right, tough, and inspire hope and pride in being a unified people. Smith can play that - he can play anything! But the script... the script has to be good... no, the script has to be great! If it's not, Cap won't have a chance. Plus... and I don't know that I want to go here, treading carefully... a message of hope, unity, and togetherness is working for Obama. Capt. America should stand on his own as a movie, as a superhero, and not too closely parallel, reference, or try to become, the Barack Obama movie.
PILLOW - DAMN YOU
by BringingSexyBack
Sep 9th, 2008
09:19:07 AM
Sorry for aping your post, but the fact of the matter is CoC has infected my thinking. I feel like the Manchurian Candidate. What have you done to meee!!!!?!?!
Not a bad idea..
by Quicksilver73
Sep 9th, 2008
09:48:13 AM
I think if it was done right with a good director it could work. Have it be that the WW2 propaganda does focus on the typical white boy next door hero in the mask. However, the super solider serum only worked on Isaiah. Isaiah is the real Captain America that the public does not and would not even know about him, until the Avengers movie.
cineninja
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
10:01:17 AM
Having thought about it overnight, I can't help but feel a little bit put upon. People started laughing at the joke, then Mori showed up and the same people who were laughing started busting my balls. And I meant to point out how inappropriate and oversensitive it was to compare my joke to holocaust deniers, essentially labelling me a Nazi for making a blackface joke, but I didn't think I could without being banned. Bottom line, it was not in the best taste, but RE: whoever said that my initial post looked too serious for anyone to take it as a joke: what good is a joke with no setup? I definitely won't be making any jokes about blackface anymore, if I do continue to post here, or perhaps even any comments asserting that there is a double standard concerning what is considered racist. The shame of it all is that I used to like Mori's articles and usually tried to stick up for him when people called him a name dropping, pretentious prick. I never thought that of him, but the way he reacted to my joke and got so personal, I don't know if I can read his work anymore without feeling kind of uncomfortable.
holocaust denial can be funny too
by lilgorgor
Sep 9th, 2008
10:15:36 AM
http://content.ytmnd.com/conte nt/e/6/d/e6d4e968759009d64f2c5 e35f8b8700d.jpg
wait here is a link that works
by lilgorgor
Sep 9th, 2008
10:16:28 AM
http://jjjameson.ytmnd.com/
BSB
by just pillow talk
Sep 9th, 2008
10:33:41 AM
Nothing that wasn't needed I assure you.

Now execute order 66.

It seems as if...
by Darth Macchio
Sep 9th, 2008
10:42:41 AM
...castings like this are designed to shove any negative reaction back into fan's faces. How can you react to casting a major character as a different race without being labeled a racist? Forget logic, modus operandi, reason, etc, you either love it or you are a racist?

I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing Thomas Jane in a re-imagination of Blade and if you think a white guy couldn't do that role then you're obviously a racist. What's the big deal after all?

I've been saying Djimon Honsou should be Black Panther
by wookie1972
Sep 9th, 2008
12:46:09 PM
...for a long, long time, pretty much every since Gladiator. For one thing, he's ACTUALLY AFRICAN. Statham and Ritchie should redo Hellblzaer properly. I've also said that they should redo Howard the Duck properly (Coen Bros directing, CGI duck with Steve Buscemi doing the voice) but nobody believes me.
GORDON RAMSAY FOR CPT. AMERICA!!!
by blah13
Sep 9th, 2008
01:50:21 PM
Samo Hung as Bucky/Winter Soldier Vince Vaughn as Red Skull John Cena is The Marine Badda-climp, Badda-CLAMP!!
John McCain As CAPTAIN ALSO-RAN (AND LOST)
by LaserPants
Sep 9th, 2008
04:07:53 PM
Sarah Palin as CAPTAIN CYNICAL PLOY TO GET HILLARY VOTES THAT FAILS TO DO SO and/or CAPTAIN NAZI XTIAN MILF and/or CAPTAIN FIRST SHE WAS FOR THE "BRIDGE TO NOWHERE" UNTIL THE FED PULLED THE FUNDING WHEREBY SHE CHANGED HER MIND AND PRETENDED TO BE AGAINST IT FROM THE GET-GO and/or CAPTAIN OUT-OF-TOUCH and/or CAPTAIN RIDING-THE-COAT-TAILS-TO-FAILU RE etc. etc. et al.
NiceGuyEddie...
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 9th, 2008
04:23:35 PM
... you're really still trying to peddle the idea that it was all just an elaborate joke gone wrong.

Really?

If your first post had been the one where you said it was Robert Downey Jr. and your grandfather and some other people in blackface, that's a joke. I still don't think it's a particularly funny one, but that is, by any definition, a joke.

Simply posting on a talkback that was already awash in ugly racial tension "There were no Tuskeegee Airmen" is not a joke.

If you still don't see the difference, and you STILL want to make this about how big and mean I am, fine. But I am comfortable with having called you out on the kind of comment that could have turned a talkback that makes ME deeply uncomfortable into the sort of thing that makes me regret the Internet entirely. All it takes is one match to a powder keg to set it off, and your first post was a match, nothing more.

Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury
by Reelheed
Sep 9th, 2008
05:21:33 PM
Didn't even raise an whimper. Why? Because 'Ultimates' said it was ok. So if there has been a black Cap in the marvel 101 already then whats the problem here?
Mori, explain to me what you really thought it was
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
07:00:07 PM
Do you think I had some cockeyed theory that I intended to unveil upon you all, some fanatical racist belief, deeply held and formulated of hate? I had no such thought, theory, or idea. I said it knowing someone would ask what I meant, and then I was going to drop the Downey Jr. answer on them. I intended to point out how people get so uptight about these things. Granted, I shouldn't have used the TA's as joke fodder, but I hardly think it makes me a Nazi. Don't you think that was just a little heavy handed? On some points I agree with cineninja and others who have sided with me; if you want to continue to look down your nose at me, then fine. But can you concede at all that the two of us MAY have had a misunderstanding, that yours is not the only opinion out there, and some other people here have seen it for what it might be?
Jokes 101
by ugh
Sep 9th, 2008
07:18:12 PM
The medium used to tell a joke is extremely important. NiceGuyEddie19 forgot that he was attempting a racially charged joke over the internet, where no one is able see the visual subtleness of the setup, replacing it with a vague text hoping we would "get it". In other words, it was poorly structured and the obvious end result was anger. Also, NiceGuyEddie19 needs to accept constructive criticism instead of assuming that he is only being attacked by Moriaty and others. When you have such an epic fail, you have to "man up" and explain yourself, whether you like to or not. start here: http://www.stand-upcomedy.com/ lib-glos.htm or better yet, here: http://www.sfcomedycollege.com /
Alright...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
07:27:54 PM
Constructive criticism? What's constructive about Moriarty making fast assumptions about my character based on five words and having him attack me based on that assumption, so that a dozen people who initially thought it was funny could turn tail and side with him and join in on the bashing, ignoring the punchline of the joke and reacting only to the setup? Just because it was a white guy setting up a joke based on race? Also, "epic fail" may be popular internet lingo, but is grammatically incorrect. That's grammar 101. Man up.
LiberalWarrior
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
07:32:42 PM
Bullshit. Total bullshit. I realize revisionism exists, but what you fail to recognize is that I wasn't engaging in it. I was setting up a punchline. And what is with this snowball effect argument? You think if someone denies that my jolly ranchers were stolen off my desk that somehow that will end up with everyone denying the holocaust? If you'll notice, there is also the small matter of the fact that denying the holocaust is denying a historical tragedy, where denying the airmen, should someone really do so, would be denying a historical triumph. I can just smell the douche in this TB.
LiberalWarrior
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
08:01:36 PM
Your name is an oxymoron, and you, simply a moron. Be gone.
Axe to grind against Mori?
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
08:03:31 PM
Oh I can't fucking imagine who would want to do that. Fuck you, cocksucker. You are officially non existant.
"Alright...."
by ugh
Sep 9th, 2008
08:34:14 PM
NiceGuyEddie19, you are obviously too fucking stupid to know the difference between someone attacking you for what you did and someone defending you. I WAS DEFENDING YOU, DIPSHIT! You tried to make a joke and fucked up. Big time! You stated "that a dozen people who initially thought it was funny...", yet I'm still trying to find the initial statement of these so called "dozen" (not an implication of embellishment, I just can't find said statements). Justifiably, you were being attacked. Rightfully so, you "maned up" and explained yourself (or at least tried to). Many responded, some acknowledging your intentions and were merely offering advice and suggestions. I decided to go a step further when I realized that no one had presented the angle that I gave. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you would have noticed that at no time did I make a reference to your race. The fact that you have revealed yourself to be white in your response to me SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE ASSUMED THAT I CARED. I STILL DON'T CARE WHAT RACE YOU ARE. I had not even questioned your character nor taken sides...at least until now. "Also "epic fail" may be popular internet lingo, but is grammatically incorrect. That's grammar 101." (that's your statement, btw) Hey dumbass, when the hell has "internet lingo" ever been grammatically correct!? In all honesty, the simple fact that you are easily offended and completely defensive to what we all are saying to you proves that your level of maturity, intelligence and cultural exposure is severely lacking and you had no business to begin with in attempting such a joke. It's simply beyond your ability to comprehend. Now go get a tissue to dry your tears and take a deep breath so you can stop whining like a fucking cunt bitch, Eddie. You've already admitted that you were wrong and it should have been the end of it. There is no shame in admitting fault. It shows humility. Instead, you insist on justifying your actions and intent. That is shameful and in turn, you deserve all of the insults being thrown back in your face. (...Attacking the people who are defending you -- what a fucking idiot you are!)
This has gotten to be so intelligent...
by NiceGuyEddie19
Sep 9th, 2008
08:39:30 PM
That I think I'm gonna just uh, let you guys have at it. Have fun. You too, Mori. Enjoy bashing and villifying me. With your very brave and unique positions, not at all exactly like mainstream media bullshit. Ugh, have fun with your dumb ass insults, though, know I wont be reading them. Later guys, have fun.
NiceGuyEddie19, you actually think we give a flying fuck if you
by ugh
Sep 9th, 2008
08:44:53 PM
Stupid little boy, the damage to your character was not by our hands, but your own.
It was just a bad joke, everyone calm down...
by The Eskimo
Sep 9th, 2008
09:43:03 PM
...Eddie, please admit in hindsight that perhaps you would've acheived the "punchline" (which was a good initial idea...I guess, with the Tropic Thuder reference in mind which I didn't get at first) in a different fashion...and everyone else stop crucifying the poor guy. He's didn't do anything different than all the other "shock value" posters out there (except maybe get too defensive about it). Oh and Eddie my friend, (I can't believe I'm saying this) lay off Mori...he's always had a strong opinion about things and I'm sure it's nothing personal against you. Mori (in my experience) does not often back down from his points, and that in fact is one reason a lot of us (again, can't believe I'm saying this) really respect (granted, sometime reluctantly) his stuff on this site.
CAP
by aabiohazard1972
Sep 9th, 2008
09:44:44 PM
OK I like Will Smith, he personally would be a great falcon; or even be a great black panther; Not Steve Rogers personally I think of only two actors that could play him and one might be the best these two are Matthew McConaughey or Marc Blucas he played Riley Finn on Buffy (best I think for the role)
"Truce?" Come on...
by The Eskimo
Sep 9th, 2008
09:45:32 PM
...all you have to do is type it, post it, and forget it.
Eddie...
by TheRealMoriarty
Sep 10th, 2008
04:47:17 AM
... I never said you were a Nazi or anything of the sort. I said that your joke was ugly and unpleasant. And that in a talkback already tense like this one, thanks to the rampant undercurrent of real racism that exists in fandom (something I've mentioned before, and which always seems to be confirmed by some of the folks who show up in talkbacks like these), that sort of "joke" really isn't funny or appropriate.

I don't know you. I don't know anything about you. But I still think your joke is ugly, and considering that's been my ONLY POINT this entire talkback, I don't see where I owe anyone an apology.

You, on the other hand, went right to the "Well, I used to think people were wrong when they said you were a name-dropping prick." I called you no such thing, and I didn't call you personally anything. My comment was always about your "joke." And you'll notice... you weren't kicked. You weren't banned. Nothing. All I did was tell you how offensive I found it.

Last time they ruined Nick Fury in IRON MAN, now this?!?!
by Monkey_King
Sep 10th, 2008
04:51:38 AM
MARVEL is seriously going down the toilet with the casting of their films.
For my two cents
by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.
Sep 10th, 2008
09:36:14 AM

Nothing was funnier than LiberalWarrior saying that the gloves are off, and then spewing obscenities as if they were the equivalent of a bare knuckled punch.

Honestly people, it's behavior like this (on both sides) that makes up 99% of the reasons this site can suck.
wookie1972
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 10th, 2008
05:59:17 PM
absolutely perfect casting for black panther - but Djimon aint getting any younger - soon he will be too old - or he could be the original panther and the movie can center around his younger heir
Domi'sInnerChild
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 10th, 2008
06:33:08 PM
im the only person that i know that thinks serena williams is hot - hot as in "everytime i see her i cant help thinking of mounting her" - my friends think im nuts - but she is hot - she wouldnt make a good she-hulk though - i see her in some period sword and sandal flick or fantasy flick (conan?) playing a female warrior - a nubian warrior queen - she is built like a Frazetta girl
TheRealMoriarty
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 10th, 2008
06:39:25 PM
excellent retort - if you were asked, would you take a tv gig? - you should man - movie reviews and analysis interspersed with round table discussions - think the McLaughlin group, but for geeks - im serious - and if you look anything like your cartoon avatar, how could it not be a huge hit
wookie1972, i hear ya man
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Sep 10th, 2008
06:49:03 PM
ive been saying they should make a "Goon" movie for years now - animated and rated R - finally someone is - Fincher no less
Chishu_Ryu said...
by Bunyon Snipe
Sep 13th, 2008
02:20:35 PM
"In the new movies, the Super Soldier serum comes from the Incredible Hulk" No it doesn't it came from a WWII experiment, Captain America!
Chishu_Ryu said...
by Bunyon Snipe
Sep 13th, 2008
02:21:35 PM
"In the new movies, the Super Soldier serum comes from the Incredible Hulk" No it doesn't it came from a WWII experiment, Steve Rodgers! Smith is too old, as is Eckhart, Rodgers should be between 20 and 30!

by Bunyon Snipe
Sep 13th, 2008
02:22:36 PM
oops, am repeating myself, sorry
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