how about shooting it like the rest of spidey 2.

Make your own wall-crawling superhero, Sony. Let Spidey Go!!!

Same goes for FOX and the X-Men movie rights. Let them go home to Marvel!

and Two-Face was certainly not shoehorned into TDK. he was central to the plot! he was the human representation of every thing Joker and Batman were fighting over.

I love raimi's body of work. From the ED series to A SIMPLE PLAN, THE GIFT, and FOR LOVE OF THE GAME. So don't take this as if some fanboy hater is screaming it, but I think his creative juices have been exhausted for this series.

that's number 1. number 2: you're kidding yourself if you don't think venom is coming back. this doesn't bother me qua venom because he IS the natural choice for a spider-man nemesis, especially since Peter is at a point where the identity crisis stuff is behind him. that said, the venom character that they've already established in this iteration of SPIDEY-verse is poorly constructed. he LOOKS cool, but as was previously mentioned, his introduction was a clusterfuck, and the character would benefit from a reboot. but beside that, nobody was upset with christopher nolan for pissing on tim burton's legacy, were they? I would rather see a completely new approach ala batman begins and pray for a similar confluence of direction/scripting and audience enthusiasm.

number 3: FX need to improve on spidey. this was already mentioned and look, I gave the first movie a pass on this because they more or less got spidey onscreen. the second movie improved significantly the cgi swinging and battle sequences. the third movie certainly did not improve and may even have fallen below the bar set in the sequel. a lot of that probably has to do with the script - you have to have a scene that masks the inadequacies of the current technology better than SPIDEY-3 did. then again, it's hard to take anything the "green surf turd" does onscreen seriously.

I don't think raimi likes the venom/carnage characters. so that's a good argument for mysterio. personally, I think the only major stuff that's left involves the symbiotes: maximum carnage being the next logical step. I doubt they'd go the kingpin route, but the 90s cartoon did develop a pretty respectable story arc with kingpin as the primary villain. I suppose they can spare him from DD, but property rights are prolly an issue with the devils of Hollywood...er...I mean FOX.

Saying all that, though I didn't think Spider-Man 3 was the complete train wreck some make it out to be. It did have its fun points and I didn't even mind the goofy dancing too much but the plotting was atrocious and the last act just fell apart. My theory is, if they could have edited it down by 15 mins or so, toned down the dance scenes, got rid of the butler and that fucking annoying reporter, maybe reinserted some of the sandman scenes which got cut (and apparently really pissed Hayden Church off) then the general reaction would not have been nearly so negative. It would still have had major problems for sure and would have been a letdown after 2 but the fanboys wouldn't have been nearly so vehement in their hatred.

-venom was handled poorly. raimi doen't like the character (even though it would've been great to see someone that cared about venom direct his movie...we didn't get that). the cgi venom clinging to the wall looked ass. topher grace was an ass choice. topher grace wasn't good as venom.

-james franco was GD awful in it, but they had a good idea with him getting amnesia, because you knew eventually he would remember...he was a time bomb. this story arc needed an ending, and i'm sure they assumed they were not going to be back for 4 & 5. so, they had to wrap it up.

-sandman was rushed through. this could have been developed into a more interesting story, if we didn't have to have venom forced in. but, sandman always struck me as a villain like "juggernaut"...cool to see, but not real important in terms of the story's continuity.

-spiderman 3 was better than batman & robin. this is a no-brainer. anyone that argues that these 2 movies are neck in neck in terms of quality needs to re-watch batman & robin as punishment. that movie was the worst piece of shit ever shat. spiderman 3 suffered from shoehorning 3 villains into one movie...2 of which were introduced in it. batman & robin suffered long before they brought in poison ivy.

-sam raimi is better than joel schumacher. it gets me a little bit upset that fanboys rip on him for spiderman 3. it wasn't the best. it was kind of a chaotic mess...but, don't come down so hard on raimi. this si the dude tht brought you evil dead 2, army of darkness, and the first 2 spiderman movies. i think it's awesome that he and tobey are back for the 4th and 5th. i look forward to it, especially if dylanbaker is back.

-the franchise fizzled. the first 2 were great. (willem dafoe made the 1st one. he gave an incredible performance). but, i think the fact that they're not just saying "spiderman 4" but, "spiderman 4 & 5" could be a good sign. they might continue on with bryce dallas howard. they could be building up to something hueg in 5.

-we're all obviously excited about this news. this TB has blown up.

Imagine Kirsten Stewart wrapped around you... Meeeeeow.

How is it that Sam Raimi is forgiven for Spider-man 3 and allowed to blame it on a poor script and studio interference?

Is Brett Ratner not crucified on here almost DAILY for the SAME THING??

Take THAT, suckas!!!

brett ratner...

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spiderman 3 is better than x3, anyway. although both of them jammed too much into the final installment. how magneto, juggernaut, the dark phoenix, and an army of angry mutants were defeated by frasier and 5 of his friends (one of which was kitty pride who does nothing) boggles the mind.

silly but true.

I'd really like ted raimi to be mysterio, and have him be a convenience store robber with a funny disco thing on his head..

a pop escalation.

I really, really wanted to love this film and there are some great moments in it, but overall all i keep feeling is "where's Venom" after teasing us with the black suit promo shot ages before the film launched I felt they then stiffed us on Venom, whom I should say I had no issue with Grace playing, I thought he and Howard where welcome cast additions.

Then he slips with Spidey 3 and everyone wants to set the guy on fire and piss on him. Bunch of wankers.

I'm up for another Spidey flick by Raimi, although I'd rather see him do something else, more smaller and original films.

Also, I wish Chris Nolan doesn't do Batman 3, cause he can hardly outdo TDK. And even if he makes a great Batman 3 film but not as great as TDK, you guys are gonna assrape his name just like you're doing Raimi now.

Long story short, I'm glad Raimi got to make his films and not Jim, although his take on the character would be also interesting. And in my opinion spidey 2 shares the no.1 spot with TDK as best superhero film. Hard to decide which is better, cause they are two very different films.

It also seemed to me that contrary to the majority opinion that Two-Face and Venom were tacked onto the endings of both films, I felt both villains were always present. Harvey Dent was always Two-Face beneath his normal face, and Venom was always present as the "blob" symbiote, then Dark Spiderman. And at the end of both films, we see a final climactic fruition of those existential symbols of the choice we make, in the traditional comic book image of Two-Face and Venom.

Like Quint, I really liked Spidey 1 and LOVED Spidey 2. Hell, I even thought Tobey was perfect for the role. I've always loathed Dunst's MJ, and she comes close to scuppering S1 and S2 several times. It's a testament to those two movies' strength that they survive despite her miasma of suckitude. However, with Spidey 3, this particular take on the Spidey mythos (hate that word) is irreversibly tainted. Honestly, how many of you felt relieved when Parker went back to MJ in Spidey 3? Even with Gwen Stacy and Betty Brant readily available? It made me sick and hate Maguire's take on Parker for the first time.

The ONLY way I'll pay money to see a Spider-Man movie again is if they do a reboot. New director and new actors. If they insist on MJ as a character, then for fuck's sake use someone who, oh I dunno, actually RESEMBLES THE CHARACTER IN AT LEAST ONE RECOGNIZABLE WAY! Get someone like Rachel McAdams.

Fuck Spidey 3, fuck it with a rubber dick.

Keep Simmons, though. He's the best thing about the series.

I'm so glad Dark Knight put this in its place for all time.