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Welcome back, guys by Laserhead	Sep 3rd, 2008 07:57:49 AM
Didn't realize how much I enjoyed these Wednesday confabs until you took a week off. Good Morrison review, too. Although I look back at what I think of as his best mainstream stuff, Animal Man and Doom Patrol, and Buddy Baker and Cliff Steele were definitely fully realized characters who formed the heart of a story around which all the ideas revolved. They were the emotional nucleus. Now it's kind of the opposite: characters are costumes that revolve around the ideas.
Why can't anybody write Moon Knight?!? by Laserhead	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:06:20 AM
Just read vol. 3-- it was essentially a repeat of everything in vol. 1. Nothing really happens except one of the most unlikable 'heroes' in modern comics offends and insults everyone in his life. Gotta go teach class, but I'll be back laters.
ouch runaways vol3 by lex romero	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:32:38 AM
Really hope that's not true, i love runaways. I can deal with the art so hopefully the writing will work itself out, maybe he just needs to find his groove?
Menstration and comics by RenoNevada2000	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:41:25 AM
In addition to Morrison's new term for the Bleed, Lois Lane mentioned her period in last week's "Superman," which I think has to be a first.
I'll finish the arc by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:44:55 AM
Despite the art. I know I'm alone in my feelings on Ramos style, but it's just something I can't get past.
FUCK THE NEW DEMOGRAPHIC! by DOGSOUP	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:48:51 AM
The Runaways are being geared for commercial use and no one wants to take their 7 year old girl to see a movie where the mommy kills. FUCK! WHY CANT COMICS JUST BE COMICS ANYMORE?!?!?!?!
If the Bleed is Ultraamenstrum the Multi-Alien... by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:07:59 AM
... would that make the Earths into some form of (un?)fertilized eggs?
There was a 3-D Morrison Superman comic? by rev_skarekroe	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:08:06 AM
And I wasn't informed? You may go now.
Rogues Revenge... by MyManD316	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:09:49 AM
...is, by far, the best thing going on in the current "Crisis" story. Mainly because The Rogues are some of the better villains in the DC Universe, but also because the story is fucking brutal. So, where's the love for Captain Cold and company's second book?
Bug - Merryman being unearthed... by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:11:16 AM
... I don't see it touched in your review, but the whole Merryman / Earth #51 / Limbo thing is straight out of the pages of Morrison's ANIMAL MAN. This appears to be either that very same Limbo, or a similar reborn, "modernized" iteration.
Why the frak are they fucking with Runaways? by newc0253	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:13:19 AM
Vaughn's run with Alphona was astonishingly good, and even the Alphona-less Whedon run turned out great by the end. I know Marvel owns this but don't Vaughn have any say about how this series develops over time???
Skarekrow, what rock have you been living under? by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:19:32 AM
Or rather, you didn't go to your local store within the last week?
newco - Hence the Kirkman Manifesto by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:23:13 AM
I think this is what Kirkman was trying to get at. The creators seem to lose all control of the book if it is created under the publishing house's name. I think DOGSOUP'S comment was dead on. They wanted to make it commercial. Marvel can and has done whatever they want with the title.
Morrison is the Man: by newc0253	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:24:16 AM
Yeah, sometimes his stuff gets the better of him: his X-Men run alternated between greatness and sheer mess. But he's more than worthy to mess with Watchmen in my book.
O.D. by BangoSkank	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:29:50 AM
You are not alone, I can't stand Ramos' style. And welcome back guys, you were missed.
Ya Catch The Yellow Submarine In Supes 3-D? by LaserPants	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:45:42 AM
That ship they're flying in looks remarkably like it, i'm sure its intentional. Oh, and Morrison does write like he's stoned. Batman R.I.P., Final Crisis, and Supes 3D are all barely comprehensible. I'm enjoying the books, but wouldn't recommend them to anyone outside of comicdom because, quite frankly, they would have no idea what the hell is going on. And its not about being smart, its about being well-versed in mountains of DCU lore, and understanding what stoner writing sounds like. SECRET INVASION, on the other hand, is a simple, straight-forward story that more or less anyone, even "normals" can easily pick up on. It has the benefit of being a straight forward space war story that just simply is what it is, and in that, is much more satisfying to both comic geeks and normals alike. In short, I enjoy Morrison's books, but his writing style is obtuse and stoney in the extreme, and not the kind of thing that will energize new readers, unless, of course, they're really, really stoned. All the time.
Yellow Submarine? Heck, The Carrier shows up for a panel. by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:50:18 AM
You know, the big dog-ship from Authority.
"Or rather, you didn't go to your local store within the last we by rev_skarekroe	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:58:22 AM
No, I didn't. I skimmed the Diamond shipping list and the only thing I saw that I wanted was Ambush Bug #2. So I figured I could wait a week. That'll teach me to pay closer attention.
Merryman was part of the Inferior Five, right? by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:08:14 AM
I wish he'd broguht back Dumb Bunny instead. She was awesome As a died in the wool, true blue Morriosn fan, I have to say that Superman 3-D bored me. Pretty, cool, but ultimately it felt half done, like there were panels missing from in between the panels. I don't think I'll complete the series. Also, I thought it was a Nazi Superman, not Red Son Superman. Red Superman was Russian after all, and Overman was speaking German, so...
"200ad" by O_Goncho	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:12:50 AM
I've got the Stickleback stories collected in the weeklies, but I still haven't found time to go back and read through the whole thing. Mayhaps I should do that...
Joenathan - Dumb Bunny is coming back next month! by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:21:02 AM
In Ambush Bug #3.
Bucky as Cap. But for how long? by V'Shael	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:28:08 AM
We all know Steve is coming back in time for the movie, right?
Hey Ryan by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:28:26 AM
NewUniversal: The conqueror was set in the past. the whole "A.D." date was a big tip off. Other than that though, I agree, this comic was bad. What the hell is a One-shot comic with an open ending? Was the writer not aware? "Hey, I got the script for #2 done!" "Number 2 of what?" "... Number Two of NewUniversal: Conqueror..." "What?" "The second issue? I got it done... ahead of schedule!" "Look, man, I told you... you have to read the WHOLE e-mail."
Very kind, Ambush... by GrantChastain	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:31:03 AM
Glad to see you liked the first Corrective Measures graphic novel! If you enjoyed the first edition of the series, you'll be glad to know we're expecting to put out the second book with issues 7-12 by mid next year. We're looking forward to continuing to tell the story of San Tiburon and its residents. For everybody else, if you haven't seen the book yet, ask the proprietor of your LCS about it sometime. We depend on your support to continue, so let us know what you think at the Arcana Comics website.
Newuniversal Conqueror by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:38:39 AM
I was wondering about that too. According to the trade dress, Conqueror takes place 5000 years in the past, which would make sense as it would refer to the lost civilization that is unearthed during the first few issues of newuniversal itself.
Cap and Moonkinight by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:41:18 AM
I'm loving the Cap series. It reminds me of those fantastic old Captain America and the Falcon arcs from way back when. Its even got the Cap from the 50s in it, which is awesome. You know what I loved the most about the re-emergence of the Cap from the 50s? In one of the flashbacks they show 50s Cap in his Cap costume and it does not have the red and white stripes on the back, which is of course, how a keen eyed Falcon was originally able to tell that he wasn't the real Cap in the first place. Loved that. Also, the Bucky/Cap costume? Its really grown on me. I think I dig it. Did anyone else out there have a strangely large amount of hope for the new Moon Knight series? I never read it as a kid and generally didn’t know the character beyond his West Coast Avengers stint, but for some reason I really was excited about it... was, that is... now? Barf.
Dumb Bunny by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:57:22 AM
Stronger than an Ox! And almost as smart! The Inferior Five kille me when I was a kid. I loved the Blimp. "He can fly... if the wind's with him!" That just made me laugh. Is Steve coming back? How? Should he? Who is more potentially interesting as a character right now? I'm torn. Cap and Batman were my first favorites as a kid (which is why I had such respect for Shamrock...) But Bucky could have a very interesting road ahead of him. Not that I actually believe Steve won't be back somehow as Cap in time for the movie, but should he? Maybe they'll do a Kyle Raynor and keep it this way for awhile and make Cap's return a big thing, like versus Kang or something. "We need Cap from the past to save the future!" blah, blah, blah As for Runaways... no, Vaughn gets zero say, period. Such is life in the corporate sector.
DevilCat - It's Ares' son or something by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:17:18 AM
According to one of the future issue releases. He's some sort of a relation, but not Ares himself. Either way, he'll probably be dismissed eventually.
optimus douche by lex romero	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:18:59 AM
Don't think you can really apply the kirkman theory to runaways though as BKV always said the runaways was his gift to the marvel universe and he expected it to carry on long after he left it, it was never meant to be a creator owned series, and having two of the most succesful creator owned comic series means if he chose to set runaways in the marvel U it's becuse he wanted to, not because he wasn't able to do creator owned.
Moon Knight by Toby___Wong	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:21:03 AM
has more potential than ever now but the quality of the stories fluctuates. Moon Knight 13 was an awesome issue and drawn as gritty as it can be. Get a good writer, keep it grim and you got yourself a winner.
Terry Moore on Runaways by SpiderHarshaw	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:22:28 AM
After that hack fouled up Strangers in Paradise, I swore off his work. As much as I used to love the Runaways, it sounds as though I made the right decision.
Experienced Comic Reader Lession #4 by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:26:01 AM
Learn to follow your favorite writers; realize that you might have to discard your favorite characters to do so.
Moon Knight by nilskidoo	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:31:32 AM
is one of my fave Marvel characters, though he has not been done justice in decades. Keep TEX, but throw a Vertigo alumni writer in the mix, maybe Jamie Delano or Ann Nocenti.
Experienced Comic Reader Lession #4 Addendum by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:32:55 AM
Learn to drop a comic book if a writer whose art you dislike is coming onboard; again, do so even if this means you must leave a favorite character behind.
a writer whose art you dislike? by nilskidoo	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:36:35 AM
you mean like Brian Bendis? :P
You're Probably Right Lex by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:41:21 AM
I got a bit carried away with the Kirkman thing. I would just like to think that if vaughan still had a stake in things, this issue would have never happened. Despite some positive talk-back feedback, I think I'm pretty much alone on things. Most reviewers heralded this as a return to tsunami orgins. Alphona (sic) felt a class apart though from the "manga" tag IMHO. And despite the "cartoony" nature in the beginning, I will still say the stories were more complex.
I refered to their writing as their "art" by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:45:41 AM
But I see your point.
Runaways is a prime example of the messed up state... by qweruiop	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:47:02 AM
...of comics today, where the cart is pulling the horse now. Where comics are being made today with movie trilogies in mind rather than a continuing story arc. And DC must be pissed at the bad press that Morrisson has gotten with Final Crisis, how he's strayed this series so far off than what was previewed from with all the countdown and tie-in issues. I bet nobody saw "Libra", a minor third-rate B villain, suddenly becoming the major thing in this series. Ugh.
Concede: Runaways has gone the way of Power Pack by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:47:35 AM
Remember olde Power Pack? That stuff was actually pretty damn good. The new stuff is much too toned down and childish, even the pre-"Let's team Power Pack up with random flavor-of-the-week- character X" series.
qweruiop, you have it backwards. by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:50:43 AM
From what I've read, Morrison laid out a plan to DC for how he needed the DCU to be at the start of Final Crisis. Unfortunately, either Morrison was not specific enough in his plan, or DC didn't relate enough of the details of the plan to the writers involved in GETTING the DCU to the point where Final Crisis begins, or the writers simply staged a quiet coup and discarded most of the plan. Or any combination of the above. Any way, it's now fallen to Morrison to change his initial plan for an epic tale and bat clean-up.
optimus douche by lex romero	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:00:59 PM
True enough, it still hurts that Vaughan left it, though perhaps i just need to accept this with continued series. I mostly stick with comic series that I know have an ending rather than the neverending ones, so it's jarring for me to read something that I know will probably just go on and on etc. Or perhaps we need to have some new thing where the creator of the series stays on as a consultant, kind of like Whedon with Buffy season 8. He doesn't write all the issues but he's there to ok any story arcs and ideas. Though hopefully they stick with the vol 1,2,3 etc set up. I like the idea of them having story arcs for each volume and then taking a break from the series and characters between volumes.
Runaways latest run by Jaypeep	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:11:04 PM
I was somewhat surprised by the review on Runaways. I've followed the series since the beginning and when I read the latest issue, was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the art and felt like the story was a good set-up of things to come. I probably gave it more leeway than I would a "normal" issue as it was simply a set-up issue and Moore needs to get into his groove. Even Whedon's first issue or two weren't that spectacular; and I thought Moore's was actually a bit more interesting. Just my lil ole two cents...
Thats just it, Toby___Wong by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:34:34 PM
It certainly has the potential, but Monn Knight gone nowhere and done nothing. Its a big lame snoozer
Fear not Jaypeep by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:35:46 PM
Most folks are in your camp for this one. It's hard to walk alone, but I gotts stick to my guns. I will still give issue 2 a chance to see if Moore can get his groove back. However, unless I go blind tomorrow I doubt I'll warm up to Ramos.
One nifty throwaway line in newuniversal by XAOS	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:44:10 PM
Was when the thing that communicates to universes that are being transformed referred to the "star brand/SENTRY/(something else)" glyph. Between that and seeing Tony Stark getting whacked in 1959, I like how 616 is getting referenced and made part of the same overworld with this.
newuniversal is establishing Marvel's Ultramenstruum by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:51:23 PM
Just putting that out there.
Squashua... by RaulMonkey	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:55:45 PM
Hey, I'm not sure if you've seen it already, but your inquiry on The Zone about the lyrics for "They Came from Outer Space" was answered--by the composer of the song, Gary Stockdale himself! Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/6m8k6w
Ha! by Cyrus Clops	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:56:46 PM
That's actually a good point, Squashua. And as far as Runaways is concerned, I was fully prepared to drop it after the end of v. 2, but my affection for the characters overrode my determination not to succumb to a Vaughan- and Whedon-less Runaways, which is a weird compulsion I haven't felt as a comics reader for well over a decade.
Squash and Douche by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:05:20 PM
You're right Squash, the secret to comics is in following the writer, everything else comes in after that. If the script isn't there... nothing else will be either. The reason bad comics get to keep going is all the dumbasses that just keep buying the title because they always have despite the fact that they hate it. Sometimes its better to walk away. I read X-men from Fall of the Mutants to Age of Apocalypse, grew tired of the bad stories and walked away until Morrison came on board, left again when he did and returned with Whedon. I did this because the stuff I skipped was all stuff I considered crap, so why waste my money on it? And Douche, I'm with you on the Ramos hate, I like a good Manga style, but all he draws is retarded Dragon Ball Z characters. did you see his Luke Cage during the post-Civil War Wolverine run? REEEEEEEEEETARDED!
I love the idea of Marvel's Ultramenstruum. by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:07:58 PM
It just shows how fertile the Marvel Universe is...
RaulMonkey - THANK YOU! by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:15:31 PM
I haven't followed the link yet, so if you're jerking me around, expect a follow-up, but I totally lost track of that post and couldn't find it after much searching - figured they deleted it off the forum for double-posting (I put it in both the music and TV sections). Oh man. Harry, you gotta update the technology on this website, man. Hire me, I'll do it.
Ann Nocenti! by steverodgers	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:17:55 PM
There is a writer that fell off the map. I thought her Daredevil run with JR JR was excellent- especially the Inferno issues... plus who doesn’t love Longshot?
Ramos by steverodgers	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:18:15 PM
Makes my eyes explode.
"who doesn’t love Longshot?" by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:27:21 PM
Mojo ...and maybe Dazzler... I can't keep track.
Other than Seaguy by hst666	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:27:35 PM
I have not had a problem following Morrison's work - and that's more about what it meant than what happened. His Batman is pretty straightforward, so I am unsure of the stoner comments there. With FC, I do not know where it is going now, but I assume once I have the whole 7 issues, the pieces will all fall into place, as with 7 Soldiers.
No Worries, Squash by RaulMonkey	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:39:18 PM
As I see you've discovered, your post was moved into the "Personal and Promotional" area, which you have to be logged in to access. A lot of folks beef about the search function--though I was able to find the thread doing an "Advanced Search" searching by Topic Titles, when I was logged in. (An Advanced Search is the same thing as just hitting "Search" under the regular AICN board style as opposed to the black "PhantomBeta" style.) Anyway--I'm glad it worked out in the end, and that you got such a phenomenal response!
Runaways by fiester	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:41:35 PM
Why would they do that to the title?
Totally hitting up Wikipedia when I get home... by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:42:24 PM
...and can check my personal e-mail and get my password for wikipedia so I can update the They Came from Outer Space entry. That's how happy a nerd I am.
Seaguy was originally proposed as a team book... by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:44:26 PM
...named "Seamen". Unfortunately, DC editorial intervened.
Fiester Runaways by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:48:18 PM
hey some folks like it. I'm just not one of them.
oh yeah by steverodgers	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:55:46 PM
mojo hates longshot... i think Dazzler is still on the fence.
Final Crisis by Joenathan	Sep 3rd, 2008 02:06:49 PM
So, I've been enjoying Final Crisis and I'm a big Morrison fan, but I've decided that I don't believe FC is actaully going to have ANY affect on the DC-verse at all. When its done, nothing will have changed, not like House of M, Civil War, WWH and, presumablly, Secret Invasion have changed the MArvel Universe. I think thats why I like Marvel better. Also, I always like Dazzler, she was the slutty X-man. I bet Rouge hates her... and secretly wants to BE her.
... by blackthought	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:20:00 PM
this feels familiar...click post talkback...ah...now i see.
It's not last post yet, blackthought. by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:42:38 PM
Still on the front page, man.
Grant Morrison has been slipping. by rbatty024	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:55:07 PM
The man needs to take some ritilin and CONCENTRATE. His run on Batman started out great, but has recently devolved into a story that simultaneously can't stay still but also feels like it's not going anywhere.
Give Moon Knight to Steve Ditko! by Laserhead	Sep 3rd, 2008 04:30:38 PM

Runaways... by xsi kal	Sep 3rd, 2008 05:19:27 PM
I despise Ramos' art like few others. As soon as he was added to the book, I took it off of my pull list. Glad to hear I'm not missing much.
Runaways by Jinxo	Sep 3rd, 2008 06:08:56 PM
I didn't think the writing was crazy bad. The going to the mall stuff in general to me felt like Runaways. They are kids and the stories quite often have had them wanting to "get out of the house" and do stuff other kid's do. And the idea of the oldest getting a job seemed reasonable. But everything about the radio station just hit my ear badly. When we hear the radio at the beginning it felt like a fake crap radio staion that only exist in comics. Then when it turned out that station and DJ would become players in the story my heart dropped. And then the idea that the radio station's broadcast center was in a mall??? It is L.A. I can think of a couple places that would almost sort of be possible but, really, it felt wrong. And then the idea that "our hero" would believe he'd have a chance in hell of waltzing into that station and getting a job? That character is way too experienced and practical to belive that would work, let alone go in giddy with excitement sure it would work. And then the art. I don't think it's the worst art I've ever seen but the standard of art I hope for on Runaways isn't, "Not the worst I've ever seen." It should be better. I was actually hopeful. I do like Moore a lot. The problem might be he needs to adjust his tone a bit. The crappy radio station? I could see that station fitting into the Strangers In Paradise universe. Not the it's-in-a-mall part but the vibe of the station. But the SIP universe is a different world from the Marvel universe. In the Marvel universe that station just feels believable to me.
Motherfuck... by loodabagel	Sep 3rd, 2008 07:17:00 PM
I won't be able to read this new Runaways until December... If I don't find a download website, the suspense will literally kill me. With a spiked bat. As for menstruation in comics, there was an indirect reference to it way back in the second arc of Runaways Vol. 2. NO really. Word up, I remembered that detail. Also, in a recent issue of Teen Titans, Ravager used the word "Douchebag" in the derogatory sense, which I think is way worse.
watchmen, and moore, are overrated by ironic_name	Sep 3rd, 2008 07:55:33 PM
very overrated.
Nocenti is yummy by nilskidoo	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:30:39 PM
and her Kid Eternity run helped establish Vertigo, in my mind. And for Longshot, I pitched a series proposal a few years back that never even got a response, but I am waiting eagerly for someone to steal it. Imagine an intergalactic rockband/robin hood/space pirate team. Longshot, Dazzler, Guido, Lila Cheney, and Starfox. Like warlock and the infinity watch by way of the sex pistols.
Well, yeah it is unbiased... by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:35:21 PM
I'm not getting paid to write my reviews, except for my free membership to the @$$hole club house and use of Schleppy to simonize my car. I buy my own books. Really I paid $2.99 for a book I expect much more from. The Anti-Anime League won't even return my phone calls. All right that was fucking lame, but you get my point? Nope, I do not like anime, nothing I can do about it. But this was the worst effort on the book thus far, I'm sorry. I read another review where the "story was coming back to its manga roots." Really? I went back and picked up those first few issues after I read that review, and then I kept reading, every issue, until I got to this one. Brick fucking wall. The hand off between Vaughan and Whedon was like a poetic waltz and this was like a fucking ten pound ham getting thrown at my face on Christmas by Opah.
My point about Runaways was... by fiester	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:53:26 PM
Why take what was once a successful prestige title and turn it into a American anime kiddie book?
Thank you Feister by optimous_douche	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:59:20 PM
Yes, that's what I was trying to say as well. Just with a ton more words.
One thing that can be said about Humberto Ramos... by loodabagel	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:10:08 PM

"Biased" Reviews by Cyrus Clops	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:10:39 PM
No review's unbiased. I don't think optimous_douche should be criticized for having tastes and opinions. His POV is what he (or any reviewer) brings to the table; a review and a recap are not the same thing.
One thing that can be said about Humberto Ramos... by loodabagel	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:13:33 PM
I'va always been indifferent to the guy's work, but I can imagine people would get justifiably angry with it. If he's accomplished one thing in his career, it would be the Green Goblin. It's great that he realized that Spider-Man's greatest enemy should not be flying around in nothing but purple underwear and purple boots. The Goblin's new costume is a Ramos design and I think it's one of the best superhero/villain costumes of the past decade. Up there with the black leather X-Men.
I ALSO paid $2.99 for a book I expected more from. by Squashua	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:37:43 PM
Fucking TEEN TITANS YEAR ONE #6. And I want my money back. DC, you have my e-mail. Heck, Bob Wayne used to have my phone number ('course, I never quite revealed my real name here yet). I'm just glad I didn't buy last week's craptacular TEEN TITANS.
Moon Knight-Bill Sienkiwitz by rben	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:50:22 PM
(or however it's spelled) but i remember Bill doing MK years ago and being blown away (and yea, it was very Neal Adams but i didn't care). Remember that whole comics line that was drawn by something called the neal adams factory, where it wasn't really neal adams but it was (those were really strange books.) truth to be told, the only comics i really buy anymore are the buffys and when they have comic book day i go to like 4 comic shops in the area and come away with like 20 sample books. hey, what can i say, i'd rather spend money on real books and dvd tv collections. hmmm, where was i going with this? oh, i know. i don't own any runaway books or any of the buffy/fray collections. does any one know if their any good? oh, and this d.c. fontanta scripted star trek comic. does any one know the name of it and how many issues have come out so far? yea, i know. i ask alot of questions. oh, and steranko, adams and kirby fuckin rule (just so's ya know.)
Kid Eternity by steverodgers	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:12:04 PM
I have read one issue of Kid Eternity, and in it he got a ride in a flying space car from Neal Cassady. I have no idea how the rest of the comic was, but that issue was fantastic especially as Kerouac fan. Also Nilskidoo, if you throw Rocket Raccoon into your comic than I am totally on board.
optimous douche by nilskidoo	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:18:31 PM
one more point in your corner- Marvel is DISRESPECTING Vaughn's gift of the Runaways by this creative team shift. Maybe their subliminal attack to his not signing any exclusive contract with The House of Ideas.
steve rogers- by nilskidoo	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:23:23 PM
Rocket Raccoon was always cool. Especially back before Mignola went art deco. Rocket being in the new attempt at Guardians of the Galaxy is almost readable except for their bastardization of Star-Lord. Yeah, I can out geek any of you.
Nilskidoo by steverodgers	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:49:01 PM
No outgeeking here - we are all just loving up the pure awesomeness of Rocket Raccoon. I figure if you have a Marvel comic in space, then throw in Rocket. I like the new Star-Lord, but I don't know anything about the old one. So I can't really compare and it might be out of ignorance but he seems totally bad ass and i thought the limited series was top notch. I am on the fence (like Dazzler) about Guardians but I have high hopes.
I had to give up Guardians... by loodabagel	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:42:14 PM
This summer I was reading maybe 10-15 titles a month, then I quit my job, moved, started some college and shit, and damn, now I'm down to four. Soon I'll probably be down to one or two. It's a sad state of affairs, not having a ton of money.
Captain Atom by hatemphd	Sep 4th, 2008 02:07:41 AM
uhh.... Manhattan was a rip off of Captain Atom, not the other way around. Wiki his ass Did no one else catch that mistake in the Superman 3-d review?
heh heh heh by nilskidoo	Sep 4th, 2008 06:26:00 AM
I need to cut back on the maryjane.
Captain Atom or Captain Adam? by Joenathan	Sep 4th, 2008 08:58:00 AM
I don't have the book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Captain Atom. He was called the Quantum Superman, not the Nuclear Superman, so...
Plus by Joenathan	Sep 4th, 2008 09:01:56 AM
the symbol on Captain Adam's forehead and his coloring was very obviously a reference to Manhatten and not Atom. (And yes, we're all aware of Watchman's roots)
"Cough up another 3 bucks" by Abominable Snowcone	Sep 4th, 2008 09:52:35 AM
When I first started reading and collecting in the 80s, comics were 60 cents. I stopped in high school because the prices kept going up so fast, and never went back. 3 bucks for a comic? ONE COMIC? I can't justify that.
alright... by Joenathan	Sep 4th, 2008 10:05:02 AM
thanks for letting us know...
hatemphd by jmyoung666	Sep 4th, 2008 10:13:41 AM
The reviewer knew that. He was commenting on the characterization. The Watchmen versions had distinct personalities from the original characters. I would say the Question in the JLU cartoons acted very Rorschach-like rather than the Questions traditional characterization.
Captain Atom vs. Dr. Manhattan - hatemphd by Squashua	Sep 4th, 2008 10:26:26 AM
It's well known that The Watchmen (Night Owl, Rorschach, Dr. Manhattan, etc...) are derived from the Charleton characters (Blue Beetle, The Question, Captain Atom, etc...). This allowed the Watchmen characters to come into their own, separate from their Charleton analogues. Many believed the Watchmen world to be "sacred territory"; to stand alone, untouched by other universes. This appears to be the same stance taken by many fans and likely the reviewer himself. When the concept came around to introduce new parallel worlds at the end of 52, DC editorial decided it would be interesting to make a Charleton-only world, not unlike the pre-Crisis world of Earth-4. But this time, instead of being solely Charleton like pre-Crisis, editorial decided to integrate some of the Watchmen mythos; a mash-up of sorts. So instead of a plain-jane Captain Atom (Allan Adam / Nathanial Adam) or the standard Dr. Manhattan, we get Captain Adam; Captain Atom by-way-of Dr. Manhattan. This allows the original Watchmen universe to remain unmolested, but to also have some stylistic influence on it's predecessor.
Runaways, Guiardians by Homer Sexual	Sep 4th, 2008 10:54:20 AM
I am on the fence with the new Runaways. God knows it isn't as good as BKV's classic run, but Whedon was a'ight and this seems a'ight to me. But then, I am a Ramos fan. I had to drop Guardians of the Galaxy as well. I loved the Annihilation minis, but the characterization in the first issue of Guardians turned me off, and now it seems that either Phylla-Vell or Gamora is a skrull. Semi off-topic, way too many of the skrulls are female. What is the deal with that? Did I read Ann Nocenti's name mentioned here? I like her run closing out Spider-Woman in the early 80's, LOVED her Daredevil. Actually, she is my favorit DD writer ever. She wrote a Cap/DD issue that is one of my all-time favorite single-issue stories. Her Inferno storyline was aces as well. And Kid Eternity also rocked. So Nocenti is good in my book, but was probably a little too offbeat for her time.
I stand corrected by hatemphd	Sep 4th, 2008 12:47:04 PM
indeed
Jh Williams on Jonah Hex! by loodabagel	Sep 4th, 2008 01:33:41 PM
I've picked that up on occasion. I thought it was okay. But I am so glad that they only have one issues stories, so I will definitely be picking this one up.
homer/Nocenti by steverodgers	Sep 4th, 2008 03:58:41 PM
That cap/dd issue was fantastic, thats the one where the guy invents the flying car. her entire run, especially her inferno arc on DD is just great. she might be my favorite dd writer as well, i suppose i give the nod to miller because i think the 'born again arc' is about as good as comics get (plus the amazing characterization of captain a in the nuke issues). marvel would do well to collect her issues in trade, i would love to go back and read all those issues in one big sitting. omnibus that shit. i'm giving guardians a couple more issues - i just can't give up on my favorite talking space raccoon just yet.
by Joenathan	Sep 4th, 2008 04:03:24 PM

oops by Joenathan	Sep 4th, 2008 04:05:23 PM
Anyway, I just want to throw this out there... I just read the third issue of Old Man Logan and I'm loving the shit out of it. It is a ridiculously good time. Great stuff. Anybody else here reading it?
damn you BND by Reelheed	Sep 5th, 2008 02:40:41 AM
damn you BND
Man, I remember the days when we'd keep a Comic TB going. by Squashua	Sep 5th, 2008 08:47:02 AM
And hit that apex of "greatest talkback" of the day.
So.... by Joenathan	Sep 5th, 2008 09:40:47 AM
you're NOT reading Old Man Logan then?
Wha? by loodabagel	Sep 5th, 2008 03:01:16 PM
I've never even heard of this Ann Nocenti character. I thought I was a legitimate Daredevil fan too. I've got all 3 volumes of Daredevil Visionairies-Frank Miller, most of Bendis's run, and all of Brubaker's. I almost had the Frank Miller Omnibus companion, but then Amazon ran out and I never got it. Very disappointing. If this Nocenti stuff ever does turn up in trade forn, I'll get it. But I can't afford any of that hardcover omnibus 500 page stuff right now, so uh, I won't get the 500 page omnibus hardcover yet. Maybe when I have a ton of money. Stupid money.
Remember when this talkback was awesome? by loodabagel	Sep 5th, 2008 03:02:36 PM
Yes, I remember. Somebody must have started showed it a picture of his mom while he was having sex or something weird like that. Thanks a lot, jerks.
loodabgel by steverodgers	Sep 5th, 2008 04:11:16 PM
you could probably go to a comic shop and pick up all her issues for 20 bucks or less. that is, if your shop still has back issues. they are worth getting if you are a dd fan. her run starts right after miller's ends.
We're missing a few "regulars" by Squashua	Sep 5th, 2008 04:25:55 PM
OK, fess up. Which one of you guys tried to touch Thalya inappropriately and chased her off?
Wait... by optimous_douche	Sep 5th, 2008 07:28:06 PM
There's girls on here?
Whoa! Whoa! Careful with the plurals! by loodabagel	Sep 5th, 2008 08:30:06 PM
Now that I think about it, the last time I saw Thayla, someone dissed her fan fiction, and that was the last time I saw her here. I haven't even been posting very regularly lately, but I think I'll be back for a while this time around. And thanks for the tip Steve. I'll be looking into that, as long as my shop didn't get destroyed by a hurricane.
Sup, interent. by loodabagel	Sep 6th, 2008 01:23:57 AM
Are you having as much fun at 1:30 AM as I am? "Everyone knows Custer died at the battle of the little bighorn. What my new book presupposes is... Maybe... HE DIDN'T?"
Joenathan by BangoSkank	Sep 6th, 2008 09:02:08 AM
I'm reading Old Man Logan and enjoying the shit out of it as well. Just a fun read.
Thayla by Laserhead	Sep 6th, 2008 10:53:04 AM
She left these parts when several of us petitioned her to stop posting her unreadabley bad fan-fiction on the talkback.
I didn't know there was an actual petition... by loodabagel	Sep 6th, 2008 07:42:26 PM
But I have to thank you for that.
She posted parts of it? by Squashua	Sep 6th, 2008 10:17:49 PM
Or links to parts of it? Girl just wants to be the next Gail Simone.
Both... by loodabagel	Sep 7th, 2008 04:31:00 PM
And yeah, but I neglected to read the issues of Secret Six where Gail Simone goes on a date with the Calculator.
Oi! by AINCFullofretardedneocons	Sep 8th, 2008 02:29:50 PM
Get fucked Squashua you dipshit, OMD was #1 in charts and the TT sales aren't going anywhere. I expect there to be an increase instead of a decrease.
What's a "ne ocon"? by Squashua	Sep 8th, 2008 11:32:28 PM
What sort of neologist do you think you are?
Yo Squash... by Psynapse	Sep 9th, 2008 09:55:43 AM
As I said in a previous post, you can thank the trollisms of Joenathan (among others) as to why the Cogs have (all but) completely abandoned the TB's. We got tired of having to defend ourselves for having our own opinion. Not defending the opinion mind you, defending OURSELVES for having it. Kick the troll back only remains entertaining for so long.
'sup, Psy! by Squashua	Sep 10th, 2008 09:44:31 AM
Somehow, I'm able to ignore the trolls. Got a "tune them out" button here. Basically, I answer them straight, and ignore the rest; re: AINCFullofretardedneocons above.

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