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WANTED/KICK-ASS Mastermind Mark Millar Could Script SUPERMAN Reboot Trilogy For Warner Bros.??

NICHOLAS CAGE FOR SUPERMAN! by vini77	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:14:30 PM
YES! YES?
Cool by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:14:35 PM
Anything's better than Superman Returns.
by eddieohare	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:15:39 PM
i highly doubt wb would be willing to risk three films with millar after the reaction to superman returns, which i actually liked.
meh meh meh...... by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:17:26 PM
dont give a fuuuck, reboot it...plate it in gold and diamond encrust it, serve it to me on a plate with a 12oz. prime rib-eye, or lay on the best pussy this earth has to offer....I DONT CARE, im so indifferent as to whether or not another superman film gets made its just sad...like EMO sad.
hey vinnie. by floatybrownthing	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:17:33 PM
No. Fuck you. If anything can be brought from superman: doomsday (as shit as it was), adam baldwin would make a good superman. Or hey. Brandon Routh.
he's been trying to get this gig by BrightEyes	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:18:43 PM
for years now, he's really just an average writer.
Fine. Do what you want. But... by Sailor Rip	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:19:21 PM
...I do not want to sit through another fucking Superman origin movie ever again!
SUPERMAN REBOOT by ArcadianDS	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:19:30 PM
lets hope this time, they're not just referring to different color boots.
YES!!!!! I've been sayin this all along by StrokerX	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:20:30 PM
give supes to Millar! Screw the haters...Millar is the man.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE NEW SUPERMAN by ArcadianDS	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:20:52 PM
Gene Simmons. Search your feelings. But first, spray your bald head with black cotton candy, THEN search your feelings.
This would be brilliant... by TomHooligan	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:21:21 PM
I actually kind of liked Superman Returns, and it'd be a shame to not be able to see him try and follow it up with a more explosive sequel, but this sounds like it could be amazing. I'd love it if they tried to go back to the old school superman comics for inspiration. Then again, rebooting yet another superhero franchise could confuse a lot of non-fans. To this day i still get people who think Batman Begins is a sequel to the Tim Burton films. Regardless, Millar is fuckin cool.
Unecessary. by Burgundy82	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:21:30 PM
All the conceptual talk about "Man of Steel" sounded promising enough. As long as they recast Bosworth, Rachel Dawes-style, and killed off the Superkid, it would've worked out fine.
Not wild about Millar in general... by kisskissbangbang	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:21:43 PM
but having read his preface to _Superman vs Hollywood_, it's indisputable that he knows & loves the Superman mythos. But Singer brought a lot of love to the project, too, and the consensus seems to be that love was not enough. Wish I liked anything by Millar besides _Red Sun_, but at least it is a Superman project.
I typically can't stand Millar, BUT he sounds sincere... by IndustryKiller!	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:22:04 PM
when it comes to the Superman project. On superherohype they did an interview where he said he feels like his entire career has been to make a Superman film, and it's really hard to argue with that kind of passion. it's that kind of passion most superhero films lack. So fuck it, I say let him make his dream project. But a good old fashioned director is necessary, not some bullshit Wanted-esque style.
SINGER AND S RETURNS by JADSTERSDAD	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:22:13 PM
RULE!!!!!!!!!
Burgundy by TomHooligan	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:23:34 PM
yeah, superkid was a bad BAD idea. And Bosworth was shite too. Fuck it, you've convinced me, re-boot this mothafaka.
The best part about this is.... by knowthyself	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:24:05 PM
..it pretty much confirms that Synger's Reboot was a disaster. You've gotta do more than just rely on Nostalgia when you reboot a franchise. Copying and Pasting Donners film was lazy and dull. It wasn't all bad...but it wasn't all good either.
he's been saying this forever. Wasn't this offcially debunked? by JediRob	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:25:01 PM
Didn't his relationship with Marvel eliminate his possible involvement? If that's changed and it's only up to WB, then they should give him a shot. I would love to see his vision. His passion sound extremely genuine.
Civil War was one of the worst comic stories EVER though by IndustryKiller!	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:25:04 PM
Just utterly lazy and disingenuous to everything that makes Marvels flagship characters great. He didn't even attempt to justify the outlandish turns of character guys like Tony Stark and Reed Richards had. He fucked up Spider Man so bad they had to immediately retcon teh whole fucking story with an equally awful one. pathetic from top to bottom.
Super duper by BUCK.STARBLASTER	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:28:06 PM
I would like to know what his pitch is. How about we start with a competent lex. Then we have to make sure we get Lois who dosen't look like she's 12. Next supes needs a villain he can punch and an outfit that's not designed by a gay/metro fashion designer. Yeah, I would start there.
MIllar is at least better by LetTheWookieWin	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:30:19 PM
Than the last 2-3 writers of a Superman script. I think WB goes the way of Batman, (i.e. using solid source comic material instead of taking a character out of his contextual world...flying backwards to make time go backwards...having a kid...) and use what works well there, a reboot will be good. However, it's just effing hard to make Superman dark, and that seems to be all the rage these days.
Supes goes commy and throws Georgia into space by KongMonkey	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:30:30 PM
Sounds like it will suck again.
hasn't singer been off this for a while? by thinboyslim.	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:32:02 PM
i'm sure he's moved on and has a full schedule.
Supes by Thall_Joben	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:34:04 PM
Never seen the characters appeal, it's pretty hard to connect with an indestructible flying dude, but a fucked up adrenalin junky fighting a dangerous dual personality - that I can get. Fuck Superman, never cared about him, never will. For me it's Batsy all the way. We don't need another hero.
Millar is right. by veritasses	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:34:25 PM
Superman is one of the few super heroes that demands a big epic story. He needs to tackle issues that only he can handle. He needs to be defeated and beaten and plummet to a new low so that his rise back up has meaning. And this type of story isn't going to fit in 2-3 hours. .
IndustryKiller! by The Superior	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:35:07 PM
According to JMS, Marvel was planning on retconning Spiderman for years now, they just used that storyline to do it. Also he didn't have to justify what Stark and Richards did in the main event story because their own writers did that in the tie-ins so the story doesn't get bogged down. Yet, you should judge a event on its after math because Civil War had some of the best story come from it including the current Captain America and Civil War The Confessions where Stark does explain why he does what he does.
Vaughan and Millar's next by ScotiaNova	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:35:23 PM
On his message board Mark has revealed that he and Vaughan already have their next project lined up post Kick Ass. Vaughan is adapting Mark's 2nd coming comic series "Chosen".
"Is Warner Bros. contemplating going Bryan Singer-free for a new by matthooper8	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:35:25 PM
We already knew that. WB confirmed a reboot. They can't bring back Singer for another reboot. It wouldn't be a reboot if they bring back Singer.
Again? by MichaelCorleone	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:38:27 PM
Millar has been claiming this for years. Hell, he was claiming this prior to Singer getting a contract. He's been lobbying for this job for years. Honestly, I wouldn't believe a word he says.
Reboot??!?!?! by epitone	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:38:35 PM
No, really. NO. REALLY. They are actually going to spend gazillions of dollars re-filming the same stuff that Richard Donner shot 30 years ago, but with, I dunno, a different "tone," I guess. And they think people will show up for this.
DC's Veto by ScotiaNova	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:38:50 PM
When Mark last floated his pitch it was because he was an exclusive Marvel employee that DC blocked his pitch. Although he is still producing work for Marvel he is now a freelancer . . .
please please please by kilik777	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:39:17 PM
lose that douche bag Bryan Singer and it could be a hit. That fucker hasnt done anything good since The Usual Suspests. I think I'd rather have Paul W.S. Anderson helm it. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
WB Ate a retard Sandwich - Johns Needs to Write by optimous_douche	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:39:34 PM
Millar is best when creating original stories period. yes, red Son was great because he could add all of his own subtle twists to the book. Why not tap the guy that has been KICKING ASS on Superman for the better of two years now. Johns needs to write this, end of story.
Reboot by Thall_Joben	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:39:36 PM
If they reboot Superman they should deffinately get rid of the guy in tights that flies around all the time 'yawn'.
What, no Grant Morrison? by Squashua	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:39:59 PM
I miss the Aztek days.
*** by kilik777	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:40:41 PM
correction The Usual Suspects
"They can't bring back Singer for another reboot." by Hercules	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:41:36 PM
Didn't they just bring back Martin Campbell to reboot Bond?
The government will force Superman to reveal his secret ID and L by dihay	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:42:03 PM
will be an alien imposter from Krypton's former enemy homeworld. Jimmy will be inspired to put on a ski mask and go fight crime when he learns that radiation poisoning has given him elastic powers. Unfortunately Olsen finds that he can't fight worth a piss and keeps getting his ass kicked. Somewhere along the line Batman will be captured for not revealing his identity and will be shot to death by Selina Kyle who is under the influence of Hugo Strange, who is working for the Joker! Yeaaaaa...what a marvelous, kick ass film!
Red Son rules by David Cloverfield	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:42:34 PM
+ Darkseid and Doomsday are as generic as villains can get. I hope he gets it. Aside from Lex, only MXY has some interesting stuff, and he can't be done on screen.
zzzzzzzzzuperman....zzzzzzzz by gringostar	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:46:14 PM
I find the Superman mythology to be terribly boring!!!!(that's right, I said it). Hollywood, how about trying something new for a change (an original movie idea, imagine that)...
Hercules by Badass_Harry_Callahan	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:46:35 PM
The difference is that Goldeneye was good. Superman Returns was worse than X3. At least X3 tried to be fun and failed. I don't know what the hell SR was trying to do, but it managed to be worse than Superman III and Quest for Peace. Leave Singer away from this. I still say bring Donner back and let him finish what he started so many year ago before the Salkinds Fucked it up.
The last thing we need is the SUPERMAN origin story. by irc-Hollywood	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:47:03 PM
we say it again & again, NOBODY wants to see the SUPERMAN origin story again. NOBODY. FUCK this idea.
Mark Millar and ... GEORGE LUCAS! Mxyzptlk == new Jar Jar! by Squashua	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:47:17 PM
Forget dark, use Lucas and make it light as ever! Mr. Mxyzptlk in CGI!
Miracleman by quicksilver80	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:48:07 PM
I say! bring some good british actors and Matthew Vaughn....that battle with Johnny Bates would be EPIC
Millar & Donner by ScotiaNova	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:48:18 PM
Was it a coincidence that Millar met with Richard Donner during his recent "War Heroes" tour? (besides him being a gushing fanboy).
Ummm no they didnt Superior by IndustryKiller!	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:53:00 PM
I read all of that, and it's bullshit. I'll give you the Spider man retcon was pre planned, but that doesn't make his reveal to the world (which he NEVER would have done, especially the way they wrote it) or the horrible Mephisto retcon any less ridiculous or COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER on both counts. As for Tony Stark, they've tried to explain him but nothing sticks. It all hits like a thud, like when JMS tried to justify Reed Richards actions by giving him some fucking blacklisted crazy uncle who taught him you "can't fight the government". World eating Demi-Gods? no problem. but the American government? ooooo scary. Tony Stark is officially a fascist criminal and Reed Richards is his accomplice. Nothing explains why a guy who has been doing the exact right thing for like, 30 years, as a bona fide hero would suddenly become an ultra right wing insane person going as far as killing other superheroes and throwing them in a mass prison. NOTHING justifies Stark doing that because it's TOTALLY out of character. He isn't George W. Bush and shoving that square peg into a round hole just does not make any fucking sense. Now maybe if they had spent a year or two building up to how Stark is starting to come apart I could buy it, but it happens randomly, as if he is stupid enough to be one of those idiots after 9/11 who would suddenly became some crazy conservative. I know it's all supposed to be a big allegory for the Bush administration, but that's what makes it so lazy. how they simply plugged these characters into the real life places of people whom they dont resemble in any fucking way. instead of using comic characters as a metaphor, Millar simply rips off the news wholesale, more egregiously than one of those "ripped from the headlines" episodes of law and order, and brings nothing at all to the discussion of what is happening in our world, he merely profits from it.
Millar hate? by IForgotAbout19	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:53:34 PM
I don't want to start a dumbass talkback-argument here, but I really think Millar is an excellent writer: Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men, I can't think of what else I've liked of his, but in general, I've liked everything I've read....I'm just wondering why some people have a problem with him? I'm open to critics, so please, what's the deal?
COMPLETELY agreed Optimous, Geoff Johns..... by IndustryKiller!	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:56:41 PM
should be writing superhero films. the man is a genius when it comes to classic superhero stories. Always respecting the character, coming up with new and great villains and stories. He's just about the only guy in comics doing that. Millar does nothing but tired deconstructionism that Alan Moore did a lot better 25 years ago.
P.S. Maybe somebody alread explained by IForgotAbout19	Sep 2nd, 2008 01:57:13 PM
I skipped some posts in this one, so if anyone has already laid out their dislike of Millar, someone just refer me back to it, that's fine.
And on Captain America, Superior by IndustryKiller!	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:01:58 PM
I agree and said in a talkback the other day that Captain America right now is great, but that has nothing to do with Civil War, in fact it works in spite of the stupid way the killed off Cap. I mean a sniper? Really? Come the fuck on. I can almost see all of the Marvel villains catching that on the news and going "Fuck!! I could have just shot him??!! Why didn't I think of that??". It's seriously the stuff of comedy. If there wanted to kill off Steve Rogers they could have done it any number of ways and it all would have made more sense and been a lot more fun and climactic than what the jackass editors at Marvel chose. Brubaker has done great since, i grant that, but the death itself was laughably lame.
KICK-ASS is a terrible comic by slone13	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:02:34 PM
I've read plenty of shit comics over the years, but KICK-ASS is pretty horrible.
I have faith in him to do this by BigDogg	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:02:35 PM
especially after reading his foreward in a recent book about the history of Superman in TV/movies
I'd rather have Geoff Johns or Grant Morrison at the helm by SpyGuy	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:04:24 PM
Johns' current ACTION COMICS run and Morrison's ALL-STAR SUPERMAN have proved both writers get Superman. Millar's FANTASTIC FOUR has been a huge disappointment and the only things he's impressed me with are THE ULTIMATES and WANTED, neither of which scream "This is the guy for Superman!" unless you're a brainless studio exec that only sees dollar signs.
Take anything Millar says with a grain of salt. by riskebiz	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:05:20 PM
After all, he brought us the secret Orson Welles Batman that was to star Gregory Peck. Come to think of it, he said he also came up with a secret Fantastic Four script (probably used ideas for the Ultimate FF, right?). The point is ... he talks a lot and who knows what is real and what isn't.
Spy Guy by ScotiaNova	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:06:23 PM
Have you read Mark's Superman Adventures from just before he hit it big? Common consensus was that he got Superman . . .
DARKSEID by Judge Briggs	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:06:36 PM
He needs to be in it. And Keep Routh. He is today's Superman.
Again with the fuckin trilogy by Liberty Valance	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:08:47 PM
Everything's gotta be a fuckin trilogy these days. The unnecessary push for closure in trilogy form utterly fucked the 3rd entries of X-Men and Spider-Man into unwatchable shit. If these producers had an ounce of respect toward the source material they'd stop killing off the best fucking villains and just tell an ongoing series of adventures like, y'know, the comics that have been ongoing for decades without any faggot fucking closure. This sounds like ass--I prefer Singer's concept of an action-oriented sequel to another dull origin story.
I loved the Wanted graphic novel by Boba Fat	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:10:03 PM
but Millar seems like an odd match for Superman but then I haven't read Red Son so, I may be talking out of my red ass. I'd still love to see a Superman movie set in the 50's or even WWII but there's as much chance of a Singer sequel as that happening.
Read about it somewhere else.. by Aeghast	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:10:28 PM
..but thanks for posting the vid!
superman action scenes please by lex romero	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:16:36 PM
Superman returns just had him lifting heavy objects ffs. bring in some of the other alien villians! Darkseid, brainiac etc. someone who can actually fight superman toe to toe. We have the technology to do itso i want to see afucking huge superman fight on thebig screen! hope they do like incredible hulk and show the origins in the first couple of minutes, we all know it, it's boring, so get it shown quickly in a montage then get to the action please!
Couldn't be worse than Singer's version. by fiester	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:17:01 PM
Well...unless they handed the franchise over to Ang Lee.
Enough with the gay bashing, all ready by BizarroJerry	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:17:55 PM
That Superman costume was "gay" and the others weren't? The "gay" casting choice for Magneto was great, I thought. And Spacey could've been a great Luthor if he was written better. And do we even know Spacey's actually gay?
I like Blair Butler by tompiltoff	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:18:37 PM
She conducts good interviews, seems like she has a lot of geek street cred.
SUPES rapes SPIDEY into his web-shooters! by The Biomind	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:18:49 PM
Afterwards Spider-Man holds his wrists and says: "Mary-Jane never dildo-fucks me THAT good!"
Brett Ratner should take over from Singer! by The Biomind	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:19:41 PM
Because it worked really well with the X-MEN films!
Sounds good. Best to break with ghost of Supermans past. by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:19:43 PM

Millar Sucks by Geekgasm	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:20:12 PM
Seriously, all this "oh its my lifelong dream project" - please. He's about as likely to write a Superman movie as I am. And another fucking trilogy? And ANOTHER fucking ORIGIN movie?? Superman's origin is as widely known as Jesus Christ's, so let's ALL MOVE ON! There's no reason to sit through the umpteenth version of Krypton blowing up just so this guy can spooge eatching HIS slightly different take on the same damn thing. If any comic nerd is going to write this, it should be Geoff Johns or Mark Waid - preferably both. Routh was perfect. Singer was fine. Let them get on with their sequel. FUCK REBOOTS. Reboots are so 2005.
superman is a tricky movie to make. by soup74	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:20:39 PM
while super-hero movies are all the rage now, one would think the worlds most recognizable super-hero, Superman, would be a done deal. ..But yeah, an invulnerable guy that fights humans, even genius humans, can only go so far. the only danger you can make is putting other humans superman cares for in trouble, and that gets lame after a while. (which is why people fondly remember superman 2, at least we had some super villians..although watch it again..it kind of sucks... a lot.) they tried to reboot it with singer and make superman a more flawed character to bring a human element, but that didnt work either, people rejected it. (or maybe that would work, but singer really screwed the pooch on that one.) so i could be wrong too, but i agree with everyone saying the if they really want to do superman again, they have to make it big an epic. give superman a villian that can destroy earth, or even superman himself. quit worring about if it will play well in Peoria.
I get ya, Liberty... by BizarroJerry	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:22:40 PM
The closure issue is one of the many reasons Ledger's death was a shame. At least, in movie terms. To see the film end with Joker alive and well, telling Batman they were destined to do this forever... Just sucks. And is a little creepy, honestly. It's a hint that Nolan could've had him return. I wish Two-Face survived, though.
millar is the man. by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:22:50 PM

"Enough with the gay bashing, all ready" by Geekgasm	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:22:58 PM
Superman Returns hate = Singer hate = fanboy HOMOPHOBIA, mark my words
Save time and money... by DoctorWho?	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:23:16 PM
...if you want to re-tell the orgin story and make it an epic yet brief intro like LOTR did and lead us right up to the Daily Planet stuff. We get it. Even my grandma knows Superman's orgin. I don't blame Synger for such a boring SR movie...I think it is really difficult in this day and age we live in to capture the right tone for Supes. Keep it simple. Explosive action. Fast paced. Good casting this time. No brooding please. And dear God no super off-spring...it just complicates things.
I have little faith in a Millar-ized Superman... by Booster Gold Lives	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:26:30 PM
...because I'll be shocked if Millar doesn't turn Superman into some cynical hard-boiled asshole. Nothing Millar's ever done has made me think he could pull off a "classic" Superman, and everything he's said about a reboot makes me think he just wants change for the sake of change. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but Millar's track record combined with WB wanting to "go dark" makes me think we're about to see something just a shade off of Burton's or Abrams' proposals. And neither of those were Superman, either.
This whole reboot thing is WRONG!!! by JADSTERSDAD	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:27:44 PM
I can't tell you how passionately I feel about this. Batman began again because of the Schumacher films. Imagine BB after Burton's first Batman. No point. People will carp, but Singer did what was right for Superman at that time and in that film. Totally. It was smart and well handled. Requisite honour was paid to Donner's version (you could argue the same was done by Nolan for Burton). Brandon Routh was fine. Give that team the chance to carry the story forward and I guarantee you you'll get a next level comparable to that of The Dark Knight. Any takers? C'mon.. I'm ready! ;-)
Lord of the Rings? Superman isn't that epic. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:28:07 PM
Not even close. There's a lot of source material, but Superman is not on the same level of myth as the Lord of the Rings. Singer attempted to bring that level of myth in Superman Returns, he got close, but it didn't work at the cultural level. I would hope they stay with Routh or find another unknown, but Routh has the stature and acting skills.
BLAIR BUTLER ROCKS! by goonie	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:31:35 PM
'Nuff said.
SUPERMAN VS. CELL from Dragon Ball Z by turketron	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:32:34 PM
Just do the whole android saga, plus the cell saga but replace Goku with Superman. It will be completely retarded but full of ACTION2THEMAXXXXWTFBBQ11!1!11/ ILOVEYOUILOVEYOU
You dumbass homophobes. Bryan Singer did not gay up Superman... by :-o	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:36:09 PM
You heard that SInger was gay and you went picking through the film until you found a way to Swift Boat the guy. All superhero movies and comic books are gay you jackasses. Duh, the tights, bulging muscles, bright colors, sidekicks, complicated female relationships? This guy above even gave the costumers tips on plunging the neckline for the next super suit. HELLO? Wake up. Singer is a pro. X-Men 2 was one of the greatest Comic flicks EVER. His Superman was a triumph considering everything he was forced to work with. A really, really great Superman movie. That Shuttle/Airplane scene was the shit!
Origin by CharlesFosterKane	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:37:08 PM
I don't know why everyone is so hateful towards the origin story (except that that's what you do to be edgy). I love the origin story and enjoy seeing new interpretations of it. The origin portion of Donner's version (which is given far too much reverence here and elsewhere) was the only part that was very good and it wasn't new then. How many times has it been retold in the comics? It keeps being retold because it's a good story.
X-men 2 was kinda gay and Singer gayed up the Nazis in his lates by TooWhippy	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:41:55 PM
No more Singer Helloooooooo!... gay.
im for it, as long as he fights more than by ReEkOs_RoUgHnEcKs	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:45:14 PM
just lex luthor and zod and his gang
Turketron by quicksilver80	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:46:42 PM
You sir are my hero...you only forgot to mention...NINJAS!!
Yeah, I'm still not seeing a Nextwave film in production by chrth	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:47:37 PM
So this news means NOTHING to me.
Give him the chance, WB. by Irina Spanko	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:48:01 PM
I hope they have the good sense to try this. What do we have to lose, at this point? It could be a wonderful film series.
It should be directed by the Wachowski brothers. by heavenlykid	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:50:45 PM
yeah I said it, no I'm not being Ironic. Hate me if you like but Speed Racer kicked ass and so did the first Matrix, with a great writer planning out out (and straight up I don't know Mark Millar from Adam but I'm trusting Herc on this one) they could make the haters shut up and give us a truly cool fantastic world, as opposed to doing the 'Dark Superknight' that I'm genuinely scared Warner is thinking. That's my opinion.
I'm sure zfisk has something to say about this. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:53:11 PM
Eh, zfisk? We know you're out there...
You had me... by I am the most horrible	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:54:13 PM
...at REBOOT. Superman Returns sucked poop AND pee. Do over!
sigh...Good idea but TB'ers will hate it because it exists by dr sauch	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:54:41 PM
Wait and see if it's even true
X-men 1 and 2 is not "gay bashed" by David Cloverfield	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:55:37 PM
Hating on Superman Returns is not hating on GAYS! It's hating on 2 hour long 200 million dollar masturbations for outdated, not even that good in the first place Superman films. And I can't stand John's run on Action comics, and what he did to some characters (Luthor, the hundred kryptonians popping up randomly. Terrible shit. "Last Son of Krypton" eck). They should consult Morrisson though. and red son is still the most epic Supes story from the last few decades.
Millar's full of shit--he's been doing this for a decade. by SleazyG.	Sep 2nd, 2008 02:55:59 PM
He talks this same line of crap every time the subject of "Superman" comes up. He's doing it to draw attention to himself from the media and try to sell more of his own projects and make lots of Hollywood cash. He's a shameless self-promoter (read: filthy liar) who fluffs himself at every opportunity. He's once again said the WB is interested in him in order to try and convince the WB they should be interested, whether they've approached him yet or not. I have no interest in this most recent round of the usual, and no interest in seeing a "Superman" movie with his script.
Who was the moron... by JOHNCONNORS_FORESKIN_CAMEO	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:07:07 PM
That said that Nicholas Cage for Superman? Kid you need a bunch of geeks kickin' you in the nuts for that blasphemy.
You Want to Make Superman Relevant? by YakMalla	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:07:46 PM
Four words: The Dark Knight Falls. This also solves the problem of how to top Batman II.
A re-boot doesn't necessarily mean an origin story by Snookeroo	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:08:40 PM
And the last thing Superman needs is another origin story. However, the idea of scrapping the Returns storyline and starting anew is the best news in a long time. Unfortunately, it became obvious (too late in the game) that Singer didn't know much about Superman (only the Donner movie version), and certainly didn't have the passion for the character that is required for a good movie. Hopefully a new director/writer can convince WB that Superman is not "dark and edgy". Unlike Batman, he enjoys being who he is -- he is not driven by dark motivations. He was raised to believe his powers are a gift that needs to be shared for the common good -- a totally different motivation from the Dark Knight.
What WB need to do is by Henry_Krinkle_from_FairLawn	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:10:29 PM
bring Death of Superman to the silver screen. Would be a perfect trilogy and re-introduction to the character.
Anyone but Millar by vadakinX	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:18:36 PM
He and Morrison are two of the most overrated writers in comics. Red Son was a wasted opportunity and a complete fuck up.
All I say is bring back Brandon Routh by Wolfman Nards	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:21:42 PM
That's all I ask.
Bring on the "Kryptonite Nevermore" story arc by Snookeroo	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:27:48 PM
One of the best story lines in the Superman history. A chain reaction cause all the Kryptonite on earth to transmute to iron -- but through a series of related events it also releases a creature that begins to take on Superman's visage (the Superman Sandman), while slowly draining him of his powers. The story deals a lot with one being having unlimited power, and how Superman deals with losing those powers. In the end, he forever loses fully 1/3 of his strength and abilities. The story allows for a lot of action, but also gives a real opportunity for character development. One of Denny O'Neil's very best.
YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! by JDanielP	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:28:21 PM
I'm not exactly thrilled with another "origin" story for Superman (if that's the case). --But an epic 3-picture SUPERMAN story written by Mark Millar?! I say... BRING IT Warner Bros. --Hell, yeah!
Mastermind? Mastermind???? by Cotsos	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:35:49 PM
hahahahahahhahah
Yes to a reboot, no to an origin story by Luscious.868	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:38:09 PM
Singer simply doesn't get Superman. He turned him into a whinny little stalker. Superkid is a horrible idea and having Lex do a land grab again was retarded. With Superman you have a chance to show us huge action sequences on a scale we've never seen before. You know, like they did with Superman II in the 80's. Bring on Brainiac (just don't refer to him as Braniac) or Dark Seid. You can handle Braniac like they did in the otherwise laughable Smallville. They made him look menacing and not silly. It's time to give Superman a villain of epic proportions that we haven't seen on the big screen before capable of taking on Superman punch for punch.
KEEP SINGER, THINK OF X2 by mvckalel	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:39:48 PM
I don't know why WB wants to get rid of Singer; I mean, yes SR proved average at the BO, but think how much better and action oriented X2 was from X1. I mean, give Singer the project back so that Supes can go all 'Wrath of Khan'...
To be fair, Singer DID metaphorically use gay oppression in X2 by Mike_D	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:39:54 PM
And in SR
caviezel supes, rose byrne lois, arnold vosloo lex by ironic_name	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:42:18 PM

Things that the new Superman movie should AVOID: by Snookeroo	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:43:25 PM
Jon Peters Tim Burton Nicolas Cage Anything from Superman Returns (including cast, costume designer, director, etc.) Heroes who are stalkers Luthor Retarded sidekicks Edgy C ostumes with nipples Kryptonians who die and return as funky versions of the original Super-powered grandmas in spandex from hell planets Almost everyone on earth except Lois Lane knowing that Mr. Kent is really the Man of Steel Use of the term "Big Blue Boy Scout"
DWAYNE JOHNSON AS SUPERMAN....DO IT WB. by Shermdawg	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:43:37 PM
Update the character. And give the only person walking god's green earth that has the charisma to play the role. Do not waste him on fucking Black Adam. He deserves top billing. He deserves a iconic role like this. This is his shot...as well as YOURS. You screwed the pooch with Smallville, and Welling. Don't make the same mistake again.
the reason batman wins = writers have inferiority complx by ironic_name	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:47:28 PM
superman could nuke batman with pinpoint accuracy. from orbit. bitch.
Plot idea by STLost	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:57:31 PM
What if you have Superman accidentally kill a human? It could be during a battle with one of his adversaries, or it could be from a botched rescue. And not kill them by accidentally dropping something on them, but from his own two hands. I don't know how you'd write that as an "accident". It would give Superman something to have to deal with, and with him dealing with this guilt and possible public outcry, villains go crazy terrorizing the city/country until Superman regains his composure.
Elizabeth Banks as Lois Lane by Snookeroo	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:57:44 PM
That is all.
YES!!!!!!!!!!! by bottombrick	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:58:14 PM
Superman Returns is complete shit, and the studios are going to do something about it!!! YES!!!! I'm drinking the tears of the Singer/Routh losers, and they are delicious. YES!!!!!!
Opression is oppression regardless by mvckalel	Sep 2nd, 2008 03:59:57 PM
It could be gay, black...it's about racism and being different... Anyways, Jude Law said NO to Singer when he was asked to do Zod, so thanks to him, we only got Luthor back on SR... And for those of you who hate the 'superkid' thing, let me tell you that it's the only mainstream superhero movie that actually moves on and ages the character, that takes another step on growing the character...
How about a Superman trilogy during the Great Depression? by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:02:15 PM
Or WWII? Bring him to Earth during WWI. Have him at his lowest point during the Great Depression. Let him redeem himself during WWII. WB there's your trilogy, it's published here, hire me as a consultant. We can "keep it dark" together.
HANDS UP IF YOU ACTUALLY ENJOYED SUPERMAN RETURNS! by HewligansHaircut	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:03:28 PM
I kinda liked SUPERMAN RETURNS. If they had cut the ending by about 15 minutes, and had 1 more 'Wow' moment, it would have been pretty spot on..... Even the kid being revealed as his son, the way it was revealed, wasn't that bad (when i heard about it, my initial reaction was.. oh f&ck) but seeing it, i kinda liked it.... I guess I'm of that age where the Donner Superman The Movie made a big impact.. I even had a lump in my throat with the Supes/Lois fly through Metropolis with Williams 'Lois love flight' score tinkling in the background... I'd be happy with a sequel to that film... But yeah, with a bit more punch and a shit kicking villain that Supes can push his fist through.... and no Lex Luthor for this one...
And yes, I saw X2 by mvckalel	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:04:10 PM
In fact, the second best superhero movie EVER, after Superman II (which by the way, was helmed by two different directors)... Yes, I saw the last minutes of X2...and Wolverine cries, so what?? I mean, thanks (unfortunately) to TDK (which I didn't fully enjoy, because I DID NOT OVERLOOK ITS FLAWS), every freakin superhero has to be 'dark'; it's a shame, because even when we enjoy dark plots, Superman is not a fully darkeable character...
Dwayne Johnson - That's an insane enough idea by David Cloverfield	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:05:41 PM
to work. Some "exotic" element wouldn't hurt Superman. If they can do the hair. But I'm afraid we couldn't stop, and have Vin Diesel play Luthor. (Hey, is that idea as bad as it sounds? Physically imposing, super intelligent Luthor. Best of the Human Race? Batshit crazy? Damn, Vin could work)
i do really like Millar's books by ian216a	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:08:06 PM
..but not using Geoff Johns for a superman film is just plain fucking crazy talk. Seriously - just fucking insane. I dare anyone to read his runs on The Flash, JSA, Green Lantern and Action Comics and deny he isn't the best mainstream SUPERHERO writer working today. He stays faithful to the characters and their history whilst bringing everything into modern-day relevance - without any bullshit retconning!! And he already has the Film and TV experience to do it as well, and is in favour with WB's. If you have any doubt in him - borrow or steal the Sinistro War collections. It's probably the best comic crossover/event storyline ever. It all made sense and just built more and more tension up until the completely satisfying ending. Now when was the last time that happened? Blackest night just can't get here too soon.
Fuck Millar. get Grant Morrison to do it by newc0253	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:10:55 PM
All-Star Superman: the film.
won't happen by Rupee88	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:24:50 PM
I don't see them doing a Superman reboot for at least 10 more years...probably more like 15-20.
FUCKIN' A!!! (Although They Shoulda Hired Geoff Johns) by LaserPants	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:26:00 PM
Now we'll FINALLY get to see a GOOD Superman movie. ALL previous live action efforts having been unmitigated disasters. Thank god somebody finally woke the fuck up.
OK WHAT THE FUCK by Series7	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:31:52 PM
Was the Millar Harry Bet about a couple year ago? ANYONE?
YES, I said So by mvckalel	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:34:19 PM
Superman II has the villains that were able to kick Superman's ass (or any other superhero in any movie, for that matter; or what, Joker with dogs is like the ultimate confrontation??)...and Superman also decided to abandon his powers for the female love of his life, just like Peter Parker did (and no, Batman didn't do it, he just did it because he thought Harvey Dent was going to do his job)...Superman II has great action with Superman kicking ass (and getting kicked), a great plot, great villains, and one of the most bizarre/odd/senseless endings, the "amnesia" kiss... X2, is also a great movie, with a great story and great character development, to say the least, with lots of action scenes... Now, again, TDK is way overrated, with lots of faults that MOST of you decide to overlook, for some reason unknown to me...BUT I'M WAITING FOR THE EXTENDED CUT to enjoy TDK the way it was supposed to be...again, I don't hate TDK, I was just disappointed.
Superman - Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? by Bhaald	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:34:53 PM
Trilogy Director: James Cameron Superman: Vigo Morgenson(fantastic actor perfect chin for it!) Lois lane: Anne Hathaway
Geek Hate Year in Review (Summer Edition) by bottombrick	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:35:48 PM
1. Batman Begins - sucked. But the Nolans pulled their shit together, wrote an incredible script, and wrung the best performance possible from Ledger, and delivered the Batman Movie to redeem Batman for everyone. 2. Iron Man - redeemed Marvel in a big way because X men (all of em) sucked and Spiderman 3 was pitiful, Iron man shows promise of characters worthy of their films and maybe even an Avengers movie worth watching. 3. Hulk - like Superman Returns Ang Lee's Hulk suffered from having no story, action, villains, just a gay emo version of a classic American Mythology. But they rebooted that shit with good actors and real heart, and plenty of action as well. Now we can look forward to a similar redemption for Superman! The Bad News: we still have had our asses handed to us by Casino Bournale and Bayformers, the sequels on their way just as likely to suck hard. But overall, this has been a massive year for geeks, 3 solid phoenixes from the ashes of fucked up franchises, with more than a little hope for Superman Returns to do the same. Geek Hate wins!
Just give me an action-packed Supes movie by Liberty Valance	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:48:11 PM
Keep Routh, keep Spacey (he was fine, it's the retarded real estate scam that sucked), ditch singer for Paul Greengrass, forget continuity w/Returns (you could dismiss Superboy with one line of dialogue), add a badass supervillain and just give me a balls-out, relentless, action-overloaded epic. Fuck reboots, reimaginings, exploring the dark psychological issues, superhero relationships and all that extraneous bullshit. It's Superman--I just want to see him fuck shit up and save the world. Is that too much to ask?
Please cast Jon Hamm from Mad Men. by blackmantis	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:53:17 PM
You know, an actual man, not a twinkie. http://tinyurl.com/6fwonc
How Come Nobody Has Mentioned GHOST WORLD or CRUMB? by LaserPants	Sep 2nd, 2008 04:57:49 PM
The first was based on a comic by Daniel Clowes, the second was a documentary about Robert Crumb. Both directed by Terry Zwigoff, both brilliant.
Good Script?? by mvckalel	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:09:14 PM
Without a good script obviously you can't have a good plot, or good character development; I don't know what your point was...still waiting for people to defend the other points I criticized...
The problem with Singers Superman by FILMFUNK	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:17:10 PM
was he tried to fix something that wasn't fucking broke! Superman is one of, if not THE best pure, any age, amazing Superhero movies. Yeah, you might prefer Batman or Swamp Thang it's your bag but trying to Re-Do Supes almost shot for shot with a lesser cast that had no magic and that included Kevin Spacey trying to act against the cast from One Tree Creek! Boring, unexciting and not much fun. Do Superman but do it full on! Do it in the middle of a big smackdown with a baddy that aint Lex fucking Luthor and do it with an actor who has the heft and stature of Reeves with action aplenty and a solid story! The clue's in the Title! SUPER fucking MAN! not 'looks a bit like the last guy' but more like Super boy!
road to perdition, lone wolf and cub, oldboy, superman: the movi by ironic_name	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:20:32 PM
gotcha beat.
My guess: Cloverfield's Matt Reeves? by zooch	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:25:27 PM
Just a guess. I hope the news about Millar is true, I think he gets it. It's need to be an EPIC. This is EXACTLY what Superman needs.
Go the fuck away Mark Millar by Gungan Slayer	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:28:25 PM
This douche needs to shut the fuck up and go away. And Warner just needs to bench Superman for a long ass time.
No to an origin story and Millar for this. by mrfan	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:30:39 PM
First, just show the origin in the opening credits. It can be done. Get a new villian. Maybe Darkseid, Braniac, or Bizarro. Also, sorry Millar fans, he really isn't right for the role of writer. I agree that Superman needs to epic. Millar is barely suited to write comics. Don't really see his work going over well in a script. Finally, I really wish that anything superpowered wise can be done with the character. Special effects are easy today with all the technology for this character. I hope whoever does write this movie will use some imagination. Make me believe in Superman again. Please.
Bring in Tom Tykwer! by Womb2dooM	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:32:17 PM
Start fresh. Let's get a bit of energy back into the franchise. Singer was faithful to the character but he slow fucked us. I wanna get jack-hammered. So to speak. .... and also literally.
How about redoing it so people know Supes is Clark? by Prof. Pop-Cult	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:32:20 PM
I think if we start from that premise -- that the general public already knows who Superman is -- then new ideas and ways of thinking as to how to approach the character for the next movie could come up. Let's face it: It's just stupid that nobody recognizes that Clark Kent is Superman.
Millar? He's all right. by DennisMM	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:32:51 PM
If they want to do a solid Superman film, they should hire Geoff Johns. He doesn't have to script - I don't know how well he'd handle film dialogue - but he'd give them a plot that would kill Supey 2-5 and Returns.
g-d it! by DennisMM	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:33:16 PM
Supey 2-4, obviously.
I should write Superman. by Ivan_Mtl	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:35:41 PM
Like Mark Millar, I have a great love for the character and grew up reading the comic book (and I'm talking about the Curt Swan era here). ;-) I also happen to be Canadian, so I immediately have that in common with Superman's co-creator Joe Shuster. I have no idea what that brings to the table, but if it can tip the scales in my favor, it's worth mentioning. Oh, and I think my grammar and spelling are pretty good - although I understand that it is not a prerequisite in Hollywood. But seriously, a rehashing of Superman's origin would be a mistake and a colossal waste of screen time. Since pretty much everone on this planet is familiar with the character's background (even my eighty four year-old Croatian mother knows it), I think the new movie should just hit the ground running - or in Superman's case, hit the skies flying.
Prof Pop-Cult by DennisMM	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:35:58 PM
If everyone knows Superman is Clark, there's no point in him having two identities. Why put on the red and blue when he can fight in his street clothes? Why have a job when he can find food, shelter and entertainment without one? As written by a number of writers, the whole point of Clark is that Supey gets a rest from being Supey. As written by others, the whole point of Supey is that Clark can have a life. I'm not saying your idea is invalid, but it removes a lot of interest from the character.
Mark Millar is a pop-culture cheese writing hack by Nivek666	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:39:21 PM
Keep this hack away from Superman, or this will be Jon Peters Tenfold.
Let The Wachowski brother and sister direct by wash	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:39:39 PM
But let someone else write. I say Micheal Chabon.
Hancock had the right idea... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:39:58 PM
...But not-so-great execution. The next movie should consider this angle: If a typical guy has the power to fly and has super strength, and the public knows about it, what kind of stories would come from that? That is how they should start rebooting Superman. Like Dark Knight, Hancock was set in a "realistic" world. A rebooted Superman and Metropolis could be like that -- make it a realistic but high-tech and futuristic city (like Dubai), and set Clark in that. And I totally agree with many opinions here: NO MORE ORIGIN STORIES. Just assume that most of the audience already knows Supes' origins. Or, if they don't, it doesn't matter. I knew a lot of people who saw and enjoyed Dark Knight who never saw Batman Begins.
Men In Black is better than Sin City? by palooka_boy	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:42:03 PM
Get real. Unless they weren't in a particular order.
unionJACKass.webs.com's top #20 by stickmangrit	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:43:18 PM
now, i'll concede most of that list to you on the grounds of personal opinion. i'll even give you Unbreakable, even though it breaks from movies based on pre-existing comic franchises. but how the fuck do you take that step and NOT INCLUDE THE INCREDIBLES?!? i'm sorry, but until TDK that was my #1 superhero movie, fuck the rest. and Hellboy II definitely deserves a higher spot. i know it was easy to overlook in light of all the other shit this summer, but it really was a solid, fun flick with a lot going for it. the saddest part is that that franchise is probably the best "family-friendly" comic-to-film franchise running, and the fucking psycho-christians are terrified of it because of it's name.
Recipe for doing this right by KCMOSHer	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:44:53 PM
1. Forget Superman Returns ever happened. Do over. Erase erase. 2. Cast the right Superman. Routh wasn't it. No intensity. No threat. The key to Reeve's supes was that you saw him get pissed off. He'd go dark and glowering with his eyes and you knew it was -on-. Routh? Hell, I've seen emo bands with more physical presence and menace than that guy. 3. If you must do a reboot, do the origin quickly. Readers Digest version. Better yet, during the credits like in The Incredible Hulk. We all know how Banner became Hulk, but for those from Rio Linda here's our three minute slideshow with sound effects. Perfect. 4. Set the tone. The tone of the first Superman movie was perfect, but a little too light. The world is a dark place, Superman is the shining light, and his city is the hope in it. World = dark, supes and Metropolis = light. 6. Treat Superman for who he is: invincible. The first film also got this right: the only thing he can't do is be in two places at once. If you're to present him a threat, forget about a direct physical threat. It has to be a threat on a grand scale. To his city as a whole, or the nation, or the world. Something that is a challenge to him not because he's weak and flawed, but because even in his perfect strength and immortal frame, he just can't save everyone. Manage to get those basic elements right, Millar or whoever gets this gig, and you'll have a blockbuster. It's what they got right with Batman, if you break it down.
We need Darkseid with Otis as a sidekick. by Uncle Stan	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:48:46 PM

DennisMM: I understand, but... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:51:52 PM
We already have superhero movies and franchises dealing with the whole dual-identity, psychological yin-yang thing (Spider-Man and Batman). Nolan's Batman is doing an excellent job at this. Iron Man put a spin on this, so we'll see how that pans out in the next chapter. My feeling is that the dual-identity/secret life narrative device with Superman/Clark Kent is totally played out. In fact, I would suggest that DC Comics should consider making it so that it's known within the DC Universe that Clark is Superman. Imagine a movie in which everybody knows that Clark is Superman, and the plot is like the Life and Death of Superman with DarkSeid threatening humanity... imagine a normal looking guy who is super strong, and can fly, and who has to live with that, being a celebrity and seen by many as a savior, AND having to find some space for himself, his personal life (with the woman he loves Lois). THAT I feel is how to make Superman "dark". And as for why he wears the suit: A good writer could come up with a logical reason -- perhaps it functions like a wetsuit, keeps him warm while in the air. Yes, I think Superman must be de-powered... no more heat vision, no more being invulnerable, no more being able to fly in space, and definitely no more ability to alter time. Go back to the original version of Superman: A super-strong dude who can fly within earth's atmosphere.
If the Filmation cartoons could come up by matineer	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:52:32 PM
with dozens of decent villains for Superman, why can't film makers? The iron eating gumdrop featured in one cartoon episode, weird as it is, would be better than some of these new proposals. And Superman should have real muscles rather than rubber.
I can't believe the shit I'm hearing. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:59:02 PM
The Rock for Superman? He has to pass for Clark Kent, right? It'd be hard to hide as a mild mannered reporter when you're built like the people's champion. I'd rather see him as Lex, at least he'd have a reason to ditch that putting green he calls hair. Superman Returns was Gay! Singer's Gay! Routh is Gay! You're Gay! No, You're Gay! Enuff! Superman Returns was not straight. Leave it at that. Now Batman 4, that was pretty queer. "Wah, I don't want to see the origin story for the thousandth time-- Wah,. we already know where he came from-- Do we have to sit through another boring story about where he came from? -YES, you have to. He's the messiah of comic heroes, there's no reason this story should be boring. Respect the classics, bitches. Yes, Routh looked great. No, he wasn't that great of an actor. Yes, he was given shit to work with. No, he shouldn't play Kal-El in the reboot. But he could play Jor-El. You know what I'd really like to see? A movie about Lex Luthor starring Billy Zane. fuck first posters.
Mystery director...how about... by Mattyboy122	Sep 2nd, 2008 05:59:08 PM
Mel Gibson? You know you want to see The Passion of the Supes. The guy can direct some bad ass action.
verne troyer as myxzptlk by nogimmick	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:00:11 PM
because you know they want to...
No reboot, bring back Routh and Singer by Wormie1	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:03:14 PM
Superman Returns was awesome. And to anyone who actually thinks a reboot is a good idea - I direct your attention to Lois & Clark and Smallville off the TV. Perhaps they are more to your liking. No reboot, especially not from Mr Full-o-Shit Millar.
Lex Luthor Movie by Joker Gordon Levitt	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:04:10 PM
Billy Zane as Lex.
Prof. Pop-Cult by stickmangrit	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:04:31 PM
ummm, you do realize that superman's always been invulnerable, right? the main difference in the original Seigel and Schuster books was that he COULDN'T fly, just jump really high(over tall buildings in a single bound if i recall correctly) and run really fast(faster than a speeding bullet). flight was added later, as were many powers. however, those are necessary. go read Kingdom Come, then come back and tell me Superman the invincible demi-god is boring. KCMOSHer nailed it, his only weaknesses are Kryptonite and not being able to be two places at the same time. and as for no origin, i halfway agree. if Zod or Braniac are ever planned to be used, they need to be set up on Krypton, at the outset(just like Donner did). give us a quick look at Krypton, turn Smallville into a montage, and get to Metropolis. this is one area where Smallville(TV show) really hurt the process of making a new origin, not only do you have to contend with the general fatigue, you have to skip Kansas almost entirely.
Civil War by ChocolateJesus	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:05:43 PM
I don't know how it read without all the tie-ins (which I read, in order), but I thought they did quite a good job fleshing out why each character was doing what he or she was doing, which was what made the whole thing so interesting: characters were actually being fleshed out by the story. There were a couple of places that were severely out of character, I'll admit, but they were out of character for the story itself. For example, Tony's attitude toward Captain America after they had him in custody (snide, condescending) was ridiculous, and contradicted the earlier issue that had them meet in the dilapidated Avengers mansion to try to work things out. It was a good story that had never been tried before, and people bitch about it.
and DO LUTHOR RIGHT GODDAMNIT!!! by stickmangrit	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:07:12 PM
Clancy Brown as Luthor, end of fucking discussion. no, i said end of discussion, shut the fuck up. NO, go watch Carnivalle and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Singer deserves a second go by performingmonkey	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:10:24 PM
But I don't think they'll let him do it. Any future Supes movie should have LESS darkness, it works for Batman but not here UNTIL we've had one fresh Supes movie, THEN you can go dark. Returns was too depressing and relied on the idea that the audience all knew Donner's movie
No Bay by fight the new world order	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:14:07 PM
Millar is a good writer I have no problem with that choice. For the love of all that is pure and holy keep Michael Bay away from Superman. I wish they could bring back Donner.
Actually, drturing... by SleazyG.	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:14:52 PM
...Chicago, not San Diego. But I've read enough of Millar's hucksterism right out of his own mouth to know he's fulla shite. Charming, quick with a joke, I'd probably love a good piss-up with him...but man, he is so far up his own ass at this point. And this Superman stuff is nothing new--he tried the same shit for the year or two before "Returns", and he's been trying it every few months ever since. I gotta call bullshit on that.
My Favourite Topic! by Joker Gordon Levitt	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:16:09 PM
Luthor as a ruthless tycoon who envy's Superman's power. Lois is an assertive, sexy, wise-cracking, tough as nails military brat with a mouth that could tear you apart. Clark is a sweet, dorky guy. Kal-El is a somber, dedicated guardian of Earth. Superman is the bright, responsible hero, who would never let anyone get hurt, and would die to protect you.
NO MORE ORIGIN STORY AND NO MORE LUTHOR by Ye Not Guilty	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:16:48 PM
Just once can we have a super-hero story that starts in the middle of a battle, maybe with the hero getting his ass kicked, and then work backwards from there? Like Superman v. Doomsday maybe? In fact, get Nolan to direct.
"envies" by Joker Gordon Levitt	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:17:19 PM
not envy's. B-
No Darkseid by hank henshaw	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:26:16 PM
At least, not for the first movie in a potential trilogy. Save the best for last. I'd have Parasite, Metallo or Braniac. Maybe Bizarro. Luthor should be there but only as a secondary villain, the evil businessman pulling the strings.
Geoff Johns Would Be The Best Choice... by LaserPants	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:28:24 PM
he needs to distance it as FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE from the Donner films, the trash that followed, and Singer's masturbatory emo fetish object. Keep the theme music, change everything else. There is no reason on earth why they can't put together a fuckin' brilliant Superman movie. They've got, like, what, nearly 70 years of comic book history to work from? C'mon now! Superman is such a gimme and y
octagonproplex by fight the new world order	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:36:25 PM
So your a Bay fan to each his own my friend. You asked how could I have watched Armageddon or Pearl Harbor and not imagine Bay's Superman. Well to answer your question those films you just mentioned are unwatchable. I am sorry if I come off like a hater I want a director like Nolan who will bring strong character development.
All these posts.... by otm shank	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:43:00 PM
and not one sexually suggestive reference to the red headed bikini clad chick in the background on the video. Everybody here gets liftime geek card memberships! :)
John Hamm as Supes by Nacho.Jones	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:45:38 PM

Paul Dini Is Another Good Choice by LaserPants	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:52:48 PM
I bet he could hit it out of the park too. I mean, the man did bring us Batman: The Animated Series, Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, AND Justice League Unlimited. I think he did New Frontier as well? HIs rep his solid and he knows how to write Superman.
What the fuck did he say? by j_ky2002	Sep 2nd, 2008 06:57:52 PM
I mean really, what the fuck did he say? I couldn't understand a word of it.
Dream director: Edward Zwick by zooch	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:02:05 PM
He's the only that could make superman both heroic and epic.
Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow ? by G100	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:07:41 PM
No love for a one off bringing Moores take to the big screen which closed the old mythos ? Origin stories ARE beginning to get tedious BTW and I don't envy anyone doing a new SuperHero story and trying to keep it fresh. Never mind yet another "retake" of a familiar one.
For all the Millar haters... by ColloquiallyBorn	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:13:29 PM
I mean after Superman Returns... What could be worse? 'Xcept bringing back Singer.. I'm one to plea for Luthor, he's a great foe if used properly. I mean Hackman played himto perfection for the Donner movie, 'cause in that time he was nothing more than a petty crook. But After Byrne took over the mantle to Reboot Superman in The Man of Steel he actually made Luthor a respected Business man who gets his way no matter what, and all this away from public eyes. That's the Luthor we need. Not the idiot trying to get more land... For God's sake... Luthor should be a Trump kind of man. Ruthless in everything he does no matter who he needs to be pushed around, or in Luthor's case off a cliff! We couls get a reboot easily and get all the exploding planet, crash, rise of Superman and still get a arch-villain to the likes of Darkseid to comedown and take care of the last Son of Krypton. Hell make it so that this is how people would learn that Supe's is a martian and not human from our planet. In a 2 and a half hour movie you can get a lot of things in there without sacrificing the storyline. You just need a good writer. And Millar could get it done since he knows Superman and it's legend and his values, unlike Singer who ripped the character apart in his first chance at it.
Herc, you should never write about comics again. by The Funketeer	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:13:46 PM
I have yet to see you drop a name that hasn't appeared in a Wizard top 10 list at some point. You drop all of Millar's qualifications for the job except for the only real one which is his work on Superman Adventures, considered by many to be some of the best Superman stories written in the last 20 years. I'm guessing you haven't read those though because if you think that his version of the FF is the best ever then you only read comics that grace the cover of Wizard magazine or are featured on G4. I think even Millar would slap you for suggesting that he's created something better than Lee and Kirby, or Byrne, or Simonson.
If they make a new superman flick by Jack_Bauer	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:14:42 PM
Take the one good thing out of Smallville and cast Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor, seriously, the guy is immense and would act the shit out of it without making him over the top campy like every single other interpretation of LL.
Also by The Funketeer	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:15:56 PM
This isn't the first time Millar has gone out on a limb trying to get this gig. More than likely, he's just trying to create a little hype for his script hoping us fanboys will get all hot and bothered so the studio will take notice. Paul Levitz apparently has a big bug up his ass about letting anyone from Marvel, especially one who shoots his mouth off like Millar, work on anything DC related.
Millar Is GREAT, But Geoff Johns Is Better Suited To Supes by LaserPants	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:21:13 PM
Singer is a raging tool. He left a franchise he was kicking ass with to go and RUIN a rebooted franchise before it even started -- thereby ruining two superhero franchises. I think he should be forced to lay off the coke, malaysian boy prostitutes, and not be allowed to even touch a camera for a good 5 years.
Millar is a douchebag... by Paul T. Ryan	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:25:49 PM
Who shoots his mouth off constantly. Keep this jackass away from a Superman movie please.
DWAYNE JOHNSON AS SUPERMAN...DO IT WB. by Shermdawg	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:30:38 PM
He has long since broke his ties with the WWE, and despite landing in some shitty films, has proved himself as a good enough actor. Remember folks, this is Superman we're talking about. Also, after The Game Plan, which was a enormous hit, there's no question in hiss ability to carry a film. And there shouldn't be one with a starring role in a Superman reboot. That role is right up his alley. Not only in terms of physique but likeability. Superman needs to be updated. And outside of William's classic theme, there needs to be an effort to move away from trying to recapture the "magic" of the Donner flicks. Superman doesn't fly with the kids nowadays. It could have with Smallville, but they didn't realize what they had going, and even help ruin it when they ordered the death of Jonathan Kent to coincide with Superman Returns. Tom Welling was the Superman of this generation. Michael Rosenbaum and John Glover were the Luthors for every generation. Christ they were unbelievable and them not getting a chance at, at least one bigscreen spinoff is a fucking shame. But that boat has past, and that horse has been beaten for far too long now. Now it's time to reboot the franchise not only to get away from Singer's fuckup, but it's time to make the character believable. To have him as somewhat of a relatable character. There shouldn't be any question of having an actor of color assume the role. He's an alien, he can look like any fucking thing. And having an ethnic Supes would present great possibilities in terms of his origins. Clark, as well as the Kents encountering racism in Smallville would give CK a real reason to struggle with the use of his powers, controlling his anger, and questioning Jonathan. As long as you didn't go overboard, it would be incredible. Dwayne would have no problem as Clark, as long as they don't make him a bumbling idiot with a Kermit the Frog voice again. And he'd have no problem what-so-ever as The Man of Steel. Seriously, there's no better choice for the role. DWAYNE JOHNSON IS SUPERMAN. Do it Warner Bros.
Kevin Spacey auditioning the next Superman? by wash	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:34:22 PM
http://tinyurl.com/6poco3
Jon Hamm needs to put on a few pounds of muscle... by Bong	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:45:51 PM
But he would be a good choice...certainly looks the part
Intensity and ... by Nacho.Jones	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:47:54 PM
the boyscout type demeanor of Clark. John Hamm would pull it off. He has shown his ability to be lead man also. Just MHO. Clint Eastwood directs.
Could the "mystery director" be... by Snookeroo	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:49:42 PM
Richard Donner?
I'M SICK OF LEX LUTHOR by Chuck_Chuckwalla	Sep 2nd, 2008 07:49:54 PM
No more Luthor, please. He's the most boring super villian in both Marvel and DC U's. I'll take anything other than that bald headed scumbag. If he does Bizarro and Brainiac I'm there.
Great Caesar's Ghost! by rben	Sep 2nd, 2008 08:18:03 PM
How long is this talk back? I could take a week off from work and still not get done reading it. oh, and WANTED was shit! (just so ya know.)
Is It Me... by Rogue Planet	Sep 2nd, 2008 08:23:22 PM
...or is fake-gun-toting-khaki-bikini-c hick chewing up the red licorice so she can be background eye candy in a G4 video? Seems like an awfully convenient walk-in, especially considering she's so well placed. I can't stand people who try to discreetly slip in and get on camera...I mean, what do they expect to achieve? Don't get me wrong, I'd do her, but that's hardly the point. Or, waitaminnit, was it the point, and I missed it? Dammit! I hate when realizations sneak up on me...like hot redheads in a TV interview. DAMMIT!
This Interviewer Chick Is My Favorite G4 Girl by LaserPants	Sep 2nd, 2008 08:39:05 PM
Don't know what her name is, but she's the only one who seems honestly into the geek arts. Muun might be hotter, but you know she's faking it. This girl is geek to the bone. I want to "know" her. Imagine an attractive and intelligent girl who is as into comics as you are? Not just somewhat amused, but passionate and excited about them? That would be nice.
The Superman Returns Hate is a Bit Much. by TheLastCleric	Sep 2nd, 2008 08:48:12 PM
It wasn't perfect but I think it got more right than wrong, and I certainly think it was better than Donner's efforts, iconic as they may be. Truth be told, it was Singer's emulation of Donner that hurt SR more than anything else but regardless, it contained some truly amazing scenes. I understand that some people really disliked it but to actually claim it was worse than something like Superman III or IV? That's just hyperbolic nonsense.
Thall_Joben by Kal Reeve	Sep 2nd, 2008 09:06:31 PM
You have no concept of who Superman is what or what he represents, so try not to speak.
where do you start superman again? by harryflashman	Sep 2nd, 2008 09:27:45 PM
Not knowing any of the comic back-stories I speak only as someone who has seen the movies (incl. the terrible superman returns). No need to go back to his origin - as has been pointed out many times in this thread, everyone knows. So do you start it upon his arrival in Metropolis? Or would one try to make it a gritty batmanesque story with him as someone who has lived a while in Metropolis? Given that in this day and age so many of the readers of aintitcool are incredibly savvy but do not neccessarily represent the whole movie-going public how do you reboot it in an universal way and still keep it watchable? That's a hell of a project to take on for any director or writer who gives a shit about the character I would say. Maybe they should give to Michael Bay and we can all come to terms with the fact that we'll never get the superman movie we want?
Alien overlords, coffee by The Brains	Sep 2nd, 2008 09:44:56 PM
I read recently that Millar has said that WB is focusing on looking at directors at the moment, while his approach is different- trilogy idea, bringing in his own (American) director- and that nothing is certain yet.
I love my share of talkie and clever films..... But by Damien Chowder	Sep 2nd, 2008 09:48:21 PM
What is needed is plain old smashing and mashing. If they try and make another "thinking man's" super hero movie, well then it's going to fail. The new Hulk movie wasn't that much better than Ang Lee's because if you were to add up Hulk's screen time both were probably the same. Thats my gripe with todays action movies is stop fecking talking and just smash through the whole damn movie, just like Dark Knight.
No origins. No thank you, and Wanted is sooooo overrated by Stormwatcher	Sep 2nd, 2008 09:50:38 PM
as a comic. Cuz seriously, that ending sucked really bad. Haven't read much of his stuff, I would rather see Grant Morrisons take or even Frank Fucking Millers
Stephen Sommers to direct, Freddie Prinze Jr to star... by Paul T. Ryan	Sep 2nd, 2008 09:51:34 PM
...and I'd NEVER watch a Superman film ever again!!!!
I liked Singer's Supes movie but it was the wrong approach by marlow2	Sep 2nd, 2008 10:06:03 PM
We need a reboot. A man playing Supes and not a boy. A Lex Luthor running for President, controlling weird alien stuff in area 51... maybe even putting together a "Doomsday" device. Show Superman's origin in the first 3 minutes with an elaborate but succinct Flashback... Start with Clark's first day at the Daily planet. No one knows of a Superman yet... Lex sends in a pack of alien creatures/robots to cause trouble and give him an excuse to be the hero and win the presidency when Superman appears, saves the day and steals Luthor's thunder. Lex goes apeshit and keeps challenging/trying to kill the freaky alien boy scout (kinda like the trials of hercules)...much mayhem and action ensues. Open with a massive action scene...basically open the film the way transformers ended. THINK BIG WB.
by The Brains	Sep 2nd, 2008 10:07:23 PM
I really do believe that they're looking at people like James McTeigue (V for Vendetta, Ninja Assassin). Someone like him can bring the depth as well as the action.
Is Kevin Spacey gay? by Banzai Rootskibango	Sep 2nd, 2008 10:23:38 PM
I kind of thought in the past that he was for various reasons...but I've read about women that he has had relationships with.
Banzai- by Playkins	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:00:17 PM
Nope, Spacey is gay. In fact, from what I understood from one of my gay bosses (whos in the industry), you'd be SHOCKED at how many BIG actors and actresses are actually gay.
hmmm... "Gay bosses" by Playkins	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:01:08 PM
That just sounds all kinds of weird, doesn't it.
Banzai... by TheRealRatigan	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:02:24 PM
A friend and coworker of my lady's shared that her boyfriend was regaled with the advances of a drunk Kevin Spacey whilst working in the crew on THE SHIPPING NEWS. (Incidentally, this anecdote is the only thing I remember about the movie.)
I was convinced that Vin Diesel was gay... by TheRealRatigan	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:04:53 PM
...and then he went and fathered a baby, just to prove me wrong.
He's been moaning about this for a long time by PrezMike	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:06:20 PM
I like his comics, but really not sure about this take on this proposed Superman project.
Sigh... yeah reboot this thing sans an origin story. by nerosday	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:16:34 PM
I'm down with this. Brace yourselves boys I haven’t posted in months and I’m feeling wordy. “Returns” wasn't awful it just felt too rehashed; too much was regurgitated from the Donner films, too boring, too much iconography. I like Singer, but I wish he would learn to make a film in which he doesn’t smash you over the head with a twenty pound sledge making his analogies (Struggle of mutants to the plight of gays, Superman as the new Christ/Savior). The analogies are pitch perfect, to a degree, for the material, but man Bobby’s “coming out” in X2 and Supes none too subtle prostrated image beginning his fall back to Earth, Jeez man. We are smart, we get it. No need to fracture our skulls, you know. The problem was he loved the Donner flicks, but not the character. Remember Singer was never a fanboy. He never had the feel for Superman in that the premise of the film itself had flaws that he didn’t see, but the movie going public and especially the fanboys did. One: Supes would never leave Earth/Lois for five years to pursue his own wants and needs, he is selfless. Once you knew he left for five years it was hard getting the Savior thing to feel right because he was introduced having done something quite selfish. Two: he was afraid to go all the way, meaning yeah, saying he stands for “truth justice, and the American way,” is old fashioned, but so is Supes. To dismiss it, even though world has become more cynical, dismisses that part of him. And I know, Perry said that, but it rang true throughout the film tonally. Three: Donner’s Lex was always a more supercilious, and humorous version of the comic Lex, and Spacey was just a tad heavier than Hackmen. It just wasn’t the character we knew in the comics and other media since Donner. Four: Bosworth was the weakest Lois I’ve ever seen, we’re talking Holmes Dawes here. Five: Superbastard, what was Singer thinking? Sure Supes is hard to relate to, but a kid? Sure Supes is hard to relate to, but a kid? lose his gig, he was a good Superman in the vain of Chris Reeve. Nuff said. Six: there was no chemistry between Routh and Bosworth and it wasn’t Brandon’s fault. The kid came at that flick with his A Game. Truthfully, the thing I hate most about this reboot thing is that Routh going to lose his gig through no fault of his own. He was a good Superman in a bad Superman movie.
The reboot: by nerosday	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:17:39 PM

Dream director: Edward Zwick??? by Series7	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:19:27 PM
That guy just sits around begging and pleading for an Oscar. Blood Diamonds was soooo lame, it fucking had the same ending as Happy Feet.
Reboot not needed by Antz	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:29:56 PM
Good story needed. Lets face it, the 3rd act of SR was lame, but up to then it was quite good. If they want to add drama there are two great new characters they can kill off... flyboy and son, and they can do this without screwing with mythology. The SR costume sucked real bad though.
nerosday by OtisSpofford	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:41:32 PM
Spot on, dude - Time-Warner should give you a consulting fee - no lie. Give us a good, original Supes!
The reboot: by nerosday	Sep 2nd, 2008 11:52:45 PM
No origin. You could stop a Hindi speaking nine year old orphan selling fruit in the smallest village in a backwater along the Kush in India and ask him where Superman came from and he would look at you like you were an idiot for not knowing. Hint at it flash back to it even move things around a bit to reflect things that may be different than the Donner flicks origin, hell even hint a little at a more Smallville style origin, but for the love of Christ don’t feed us another fucking origin movie. It is just not needed, just start off with Superman flying and trust me we will know why he is flying. Second, don’t go all crazy with the suit. Tweak it, play with it but no black leather, no motocross jump suit a la Daredevil, no Rubber, and no fucking nipples. The only tweak I would ever make to the classic look would be to lose the panties on the outside of his pants, and maybe play with the symbol a bit like kingdom come, but the blue, red, yellow in those basic placements and proportions have to stay or its not Superman. Give us a strong, bitchy, and lively Lois, a real WOMAN. Not a fragile little waif who looks as if a strong breeze would break her in half. Make Lex a vicious industrialist, a guy so smooth, charming, brilliant, and totally likeable in public that the switch to the egotistical, merciless, evil genius in private is almost jarring to watch. Make his evil subtle. I think of Lex and I think of Bruce Timm’s pitch perfect version from STA, JL, and JLU. To me that Lex rings truest. I hate to lose the kid that played Jimmy and especially Routh, these guys are getting a serious raw deal from this whole reboot. Take it seriously, ground it like Nolan did with his Batman, and it makes believing a man can fly all the more beautiful. But remember, Supes is not dark. He is not Batman. He is lonely, but he is not brooding. The new Superman, that’s gonna be a casting I shudder to even think about. Just make him a man that exudes nobility, and humility; physically strong but not a man mountain, a rock (dear God not THE Rock). Someone who we can see and think that is Superman. Not “oh look Nick Cage in a Supersuit.” Make sure he has the chops to make us believe.
Go with a Kingdom Come-type Superman... by Uncle Stan	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:00:17 AM
Older, mid-forties, someone you can look up to, not some twenties-something, punk-ass, gay-wad (like Routh), Reeve impersonator. Go with someone who is battle-scarred, through-the-mill, tough sonofabitch, ass-kicking, black and white justice sledge hammer. And fuck the rest of you gutless nancy-boys.
Thanks Otis by nerosday	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:04:26 AM
Oh, yeah and one last thing: Give Superman a physical threat in the form of something other than, 2D Kryptonians, Lex, a Computer (SIII), himself, nukes, or a landmass. Give him a Supervillain of gravitas, give us Braniac, give us someone we can sink our teeth into, someone he can scrap with on an epic scale. Save Doomsday for after JLA, and I would love it if they saved Darkseid for JLA itself.
JIm Caviezel for Superman by Thot	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:57:50 AM
The casting of RDJ for Iron Man proved you can cast an older, top notch actor in a superhero role and make bank. Caviezel is spot on perfect in every way and will give Superman the maturity, depth and character needed to get the franchise back on track. Make it so!!
Nolan's Batman not quite Miller's Batman by jimbojones123	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:06:20 AM
Frank Miller's Batman's HATE of Superman is something that Nolan's team could never pull off.
Brendan Fraser as Superman by MEMEOVORE	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:31:48 AM
First fights Doomsday: "I keep hitting him, he keeps getting up! Ha, Ha, Ha! Why am I laughing?!?" Second round: "I'm really starting to hate this guy!" Third round, fighting Doomsday back to Hades (Hollywood reboot of Doomsday origin as well). Can't beat him, so he ducks at the last minute and Doomsday flys over STYX. Final scene, Super Fraser yells: "Hey Doomsey, looks like you're on the WRONG side of the river!" The kids will LOVE it because you can never have too much fraser. Make it so.
ColloquiallyBorn: agree with your take on Luthor by jocutus	Sep 3rd, 2008 02:04:11 AM
Luthor as billionaire industrialist a la the Byrne 80'S reboot was a great take on it. It gave Luthor a cover that allowed him to constantly attack Supes but never face jail time and still remain in the public's good graces. From the previews I thought they were gonna go for that in Returns. Here was my imagined trilogy based on trailers: Luthor finds Fortress/ kryptonian Sunstone technology and uses it to build a corporate empire while Superman was away on a wild goose chase engineered by Lex himself. By the time he gets back, Lex is an international icon, combination of trump/steve jobs/richard branson with consumer products based on kryptonian tech, like solar powered ipods that don't need batteries and holographic 90" tv displays in beyond-HD quality that cost under $100. Then he secretly uses the tech to develope weapons to attack Supes, first with a kryptonite powered Metallo menace, using a LexCorp employee with his own grudge agianst Superman as the fall guy. In the sequel, he tries to clone him, resulting in a Bizzaro project, maybe even a couple of Bizzaros. An army of Bizzaros? And then in the third one they can rip off the animated series and have the Brainiac be a Kryptonian A.I. program that goes crazy and gains sentience from Luthor's spreading Kryptonian technology willy-nilly around the globe through consumer electronics. Either a Sky-Net situation or the technology signals Brainiac from deep space where he's been going around collecting civilizations. I haven't worked out all the details yet . . . Oh, and there's no superkid, Lois is hot, and Superman punches a lot of things. (If necessary, he may have to hack the internets to defeat brainiac.)
AVATAR - Fucking our eyeballs in 2009!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:01:46 AM
nothing else matters
I asked God if it was Cool by bottombrick	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:52:36 AM
to drop the real TOP 20 COMIC BOOK MOVIES OF ALL TIME on you heathens, and he said yeah. 1. Riki-oh 2. Conan the Barbarian 3. Fist of the North Star 4. Heavy Metal 5. Guyver (ova) 6. Ichi the Killer 7. The Dark Knight 8. Shogun Assassin 9. Batman '89 10. Akira 11. Timecop 12. Superman III 13. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 14. Ghost in the Shell 15. Sin City 16. Punisher '89 17. A History of Violence 18. Salaryman Kintaro 19. Men in Black 20. Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight Me: Tales from the Crypt? Timecop? God, are you sure? God: Yes my son.
Nah, Fraiser should be Captain Marvel by David Cloverfield	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:53:04 AM
C'mon. He's the only one who can pull off cheesy as fuck dialog, and make it seem natural. It would be a lot of fun.
God said by The Brains	Sep 3rd, 2008 04:11:40 AM
the wife wants to see Wonder Woman.
Give him a shot. by hallmitchell	Sep 3rd, 2008 04:51:03 AM
And if you don't have the balls. Wipe the dust of Kevin Smith's script and give Tim Burton a deep breathing phone call.
by 1st and only	Sep 3rd, 2008 05:40:52 AM
no more superman origin stories, that would be SOOOOO annoying to watch.just stop making films based on a character who can only be defeated by Kryptanite please so that storyline is in EVERY bloody film and show..
"Didn't they just bring back Martin Campbell to reboot Bond?" by kiddae	Sep 3rd, 2008 07:39:33 AM
That would be germane if Martin Campbell had directed Die Another Day... and if Die Another Day had been a reboot. What are they gonna do, call Singer and say "Hey, great news: we want you to do another Superman! Only... can you start from scratch? We don't like anything you did on the last one. Thanks!"
Give the Supes role to Christian Bale already... by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:18:28 AM
He's playing everything else these days
I agree, Singer was wrong for Superman... by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 08:33:42 AM
He was right for X-Men, as his gay agenda/outsiders theme fit the X-Men story, but when brought to a very mainstream property like Superman, it only seemed to translate as some kind of Bizzaro gay man-love letter for Christopher Reeve and the Man of Steel. Plus, Singer's filmmaking, to me, has always been a bit, vanilla. Independent-minded, but still vanilla. While this soft-edged filmmaking helped cinematize and realize a radical comic book concept like the Uncanny X-Men, it, again, made the more mainstream accepted comic book property of Superman kind of dull and boring. A new Superman might benefit with a more visionary edgy director. Then again, the risk is getting someone less talented than Singer who'd deliver a brainless product for the masses...but then again, as Batman said, Kal-El always was kind of a brainless sop anyway...
It'd be fun to see a more comic booky Superman movie... by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:00:53 AM
...with guys like Bizarro or Brainiac getting some due. Maybe even a villain team-up. The Richard Donner Superman of the 70's was classic, but we're in a new era of comic book adaptations. Practically anything's possible. I always wondered what interesting vision Tim Burton would have come up with...
Bikini girl in the background chewing twizzlers by Shigeru	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:17:10 AM
YES PLEASE
Cage for Superman??! by tvspace	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:19:06 AM
He can't act his way out of a nutsack. Not to mention he's too OLD!
How 'bout... by tvspace	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:27:59 AM
...just picking up a kickass Superman story? No origin. No Lex Luthor. Just get him in the shit and let it fly!
Am I the only one getting tired of comic book movies movies? by Royston Lodge	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:47:32 AM
I mean, I'm a fanboy and all, but I'm finding it's getting a bit old. Give the tights a rest for a while after Spirit and Watchmen...
jocutus by Juggernaut125	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:01:57 AM
I want to watch your movie(s).
Superman needs to die...again... by Leafar the Lost	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:19:20 AM
Superman needs to be reimagined for the 21st century. Its about damn time that DC and WB get together and finally kill Superman. Then, he can be "reborn" with real changes, not just longer hair.
Probably my most favourite topic to discuss... by Juggernaut125	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:28:32 AM
on this site. For those of you who enjoyed the Superman Returns movie, I have to say that you, like Singer, just do not understand Superman. Once again, pay close attention. And this goes to all of those naysayers out there who think Superman is boring because he is invincible. Superman's greatest power is NOT that he is invincible, or that he can fly, or move superfast, or pound the shit out of the side of a mountain. It is that he ALWAYS knows the difference between right and wrong. And always chooses what's right. That is why he is the greatest superhero. The one all the others look up to (including Bruce). As nerosday said above, Clark would not leave earth on purpose for his own agendas. He wouldn't have had sexual relations with an eighteen year old Lois before he left either (because there's no way Bosworth looks older than her early twenties)fathering a (super)child. And then come back to spy on her while she lives her life without him. These are bad choices and he just wouldn't make them. It shows a complete misunderstanding of who Superman is. Of course SR was also a bad movie for every reason noted above as well. No great threats. Little action. A rehash of Donner's Superman (Luther landgrab... only even dumber.)with the same story but worse execution. A superkid. WHY?????? Stupid stupid stupid idea. Because now the kid becomes the elephant in the room that you just have to deal with. I want a reboot. (a la Superman For All Seasons.) And here are my demands. #1 since this hasn't been mentioned yet. DON'T KILL OFF JONATHON KENT!!!! Why? Because when Superman has trouble dealing with the world, there should be only one person he can truly turn to who will help him make those difficult choices. Someone who has no power, but also knows what is right and what is wrong and can help guide the earth's greatest guardian make those choices. There is no reason to kill him off. Don't do it. #2. Like most others have already said. Luthor needs to be a real threat. And what works best is the multi-billionaire industrialist who uses his wealth and power to control (and end) other peoples lives to fit his own grand schemes of domination. His concerns aren't about real estate. They are about power. He wants the world to turn to him for answers, because THAT is power. But the people are merely pawns to be used and discarded. Some even to be experimented on such as Metallo (who would possibly make a great first encounter for a reboot movie if done properly.) . #3 Lois is a plucky no-nonesense reporter. Kidder was good as the reporter because she got that. The Lois on Smallville is actually doing a good job too. Bosworth was not. (Bringing her son to work with her. Dumb.) #4 No Superkid. #5 The origin is important. It needs to be presented to show that this movie is not related to the previous Singer film. WE know, because we who come to this site follow movies pretty closely. But the average movie goer doesn't and that is who the film makers need to market this film (these films) to. And it needs to be done right. Krypton is about to die. Jor-El sends his son to earth. Krypton explodes. The boy lands outside Smallville and is found and raised by the Kents. That is all you need to show. Make jocutus' movies. Using the above criteria and you'll have me in theatre. Thank you for listening.
Millar actually wanted to .... by m_prevette	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:13:23 AM
...begin the Wanted comic with an anal sex scene. Why? Shock value is all. That's not good writing. That's post-Frank-Miller-bullshit. Screw all this grim and gritty comics garbage. Learn to fuckin construct a story arc and create characters, people.
Juggernaut125 by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:17:38 AM
Have to disagree with you on a few points about who Superman really is. You assume that Superman/Kal-El/Clark always chooses what's right as if he were Jesus Christ, or that making a wrong choice was part of his genetic make-up, when actually it's due to his upbringing by Jon and Martha Kent. Kryptonians are fully capable of making selfish wrong decisions, an idea illustrated in both the comics and the movies, but again, it was the VALUES and IDEALS instilled in Kal-EL by his Middle-American Earthly foster parents that made Superman who he is today. And again, that still does not make Superman perfect, or above making selfish decisions. The very fact that he is in love with Louis Lane, an Earth woman, is testament to this. In Superman II, he made a selfish decision to give up being Earth's annointed saviour so that he could be with Louis as a regular guy. Superman is not perfect, he is not Jesus Christ, he must make choices based on his nurtured ideals and he must live with the consequences, and that is what makes his character interesting.
correction by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:19:47 AM
I meant "making the right choice was part of his genetic make-up"
Just keep the fucking Superman March by TheFunkyEnigma	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:22:25 AM
what ever you do!
Why Millar is ALL WRONG for Superman by Movietool	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:04:38 PM
I think Millar has some ability, even talent, at structuiring a story and making the reader interested in seeing its conclusion. But Millar is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of writing a character that is either (a)sympathetic or (b)likeable. Superman needs to be both. Millar has one story he writes well: Unpleasant people acting unpleasantly to other unpleasant people. All wrong for Superman.
and so it goes... by 22300milesaboveearth	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:19:27 PM
We need another Superman movie just so we can rinse, Superman Returns from our teeth like chewed up pork. My favourite version of Superman has always been him portrayed as a God walking amongst mortals. Why not use whatever crapload of special effects are out there and hang their dicks out there and show him moving mountains, punching holes in walls. Was it really necessary to adapt a "human story" to, "Returns." Super Kid = Legion of Super Pets. A worthless plot contrivance. I want my, Superman to fly around hurtling Robot Lesbian Ninja's into the Sun or picking up a few ocean liners. You know, for the kids. The way I see it... Why not have Superman be an anti-hero (box office poison) and show how he's turned the world into his own totalitarian ruled kingdom and then show him being taken down by a grey hero who is as smart as Superman is strong. Oh, and no friggin' Kryptonite or Red Sun crap. Show some frigging originality. Is Millar the right guy for this? I doubt it. As a matter of fact, why get a comic book guy? why not engage some real writers and see what their tskes are? Could it be worse than, "Returns?" Who knows? Stupid tin foil hat and monkey.
awww crap... by 22300milesaboveearth	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:20:22 PM
I meant, "instead of punching holes in walls"
This could be great by samsquanch	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:36:04 PM
Red Son is fantastic. Also, being allowed to forget Superman Returns would be a blessing. Hire an actor that looks like Superman this time, and not some teenage underwear model.
Singer's only problem was fetishizing Donner. by Bob Cryptonight	Sep 3rd, 2008 12:48:08 PM
I mean, the character and tone of Superman changes so much with each new version of the comics that dwelling on a version from the 1970s was a mistake. I like RETURNS, but only because of nostalgia for the original Donner film. Without that, the movie is really empty.
Why Tim Burton is right for Superman... by Leafar the Lost	Sep 3rd, 2008 01:45:58 PM
Tim Burton is great at making beautiful, unrealistic movies. Superman is an unrealistic character, which is the exact opposite of Batman. He was all wrong for the first two Batman movies, but he would be a perfect director for the Superman reboot.
MICHAEL BAY!!! by spud mcspud	Sep 3rd, 2008 02:13:06 PM
Oh come on, after all that shameless over-the-top patriotism in ARMAGEDDON and THE ROCK, Bay's about the only guy that could make a SUPERMAN movie that actually makes us believe Supes is more proud to be American than Kryptonian. He'd do this with lots of shots of the American flag, Supes doing good deeds, and some seriously stereotypical shots of what all the non-Yanks are doing round the world: Brits drinking tea on the lawn watching cricket, Italians sipping coffee and fucking on mopeds, the French swearing, smoking and eating garlic baguettes whilst wearing onion necklaces, anyone vaguely Indian praying in a Muslim stylee, all the Orientals doing martial arts or Buddhist meditation... But seriously - that OTT shit was all there in Donner's movies; it just might work here. Anything other than that insipid effort by Singer, and Millar - one of the most over-rated writers in comics (CHOSEN is fucking horrible - one half-decent idea, really badly executed, with an ending that would shame M Night Shyamalan) - would fuck it up still further. Do THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, or bury this character in movies forever - fucking NOBODY seems to get why Superman is a great character these days. Fucking nobody.
m-prevette by spud mcspud	Sep 3rd, 2008 02:16:10 PM
Like you said, brother. Millar is so fucking puerile he makes Garth Ennis' THE BOYS look like Garth Ennis' PREACHER. Yep, he actually makes Ennis look grown up and mature. Also, Garth Ennis can actualy write. Millar jkust regurgutates what he thinks the "kids" are into this year. He's the fucking definition of a hack, people.
m-prevette by spud mcspud	Sep 3rd, 2008 02:16:16 PM
Like you said, brother. Millar is so fucking puerile he makes Garth Ennis' THE BOYS look like Garth Ennis' PREACHER. Yep, he actually makes Ennis look grown up and mature. Also, Garth Ennis can actualy write. Millar just regurgutates what he thinks the "kids" are into this year. He's the fucking definition of a hack, people.
Damn typos by spud mcspud	Sep 3rd, 2008 02:16:56 PM
I give up - 's been a long day...
Sweet by Cobbio	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:46:37 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Superman, especially after Singer's portrayal of him, but getting Millar to write the script for the next film instantly gets me excited. I'm not into the "trilogy" thing, since that's become a weak and terrible cliche in Hollywood, but I WOULD like to see one solid, Millar-scripted film with all the violence and creative ass-kicking that Singer's film completely lacked. Good choice.
On second thought... by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 03:59:16 PM
I think Singer could deliver a pretty entertaining Supes sequel, as long as he's ordered to put everything into it and go all out. Look at the gulf between X1 and X2.
Singer's place in the Geek Hall of Fame depends on it... by Chishu_Ryu	Sep 3rd, 2008 04:00:29 PM

Superman vs Superman by DinoZoot	Sep 3rd, 2008 06:05:20 PM
just do something crazy like future superman goes back in time to try and stop superman from saving Lois or Lex clones a superman of his own to raise...
octagonproplex by Series7	Sep 3rd, 2008 07:33:43 PM
I'll agree with you about Peter Weir. He just needs to do more work. Truman and Master were the best performances from those 2 actors. As far as Zwick goes, he does got an Oscar. For like producing or some shit I think it was for Skaespeare in Love. He's movies are fine, though Blood Dimond was over rated. Its just all of his movies scream... give me an Oscar. I just want to see him do something different, rather then some Historical/current situation drama. Plus The Siege was not that good. He is a decent director, he just needs to branch out more. And I don't think Kick Ass would be a good place for him to start. I wouldn't mind him trying a classical superhero.
Sorry by Series7	Sep 3rd, 2008 07:35:24 PM
Not Kick Ass, I could see him doing a Superman movie....if they hadn't already made one. Zwicks version would be too much like Superman Returns. Have him do Captain America, I could see that. Captain America come from War, Zwick likes to film wars.
I'd set the film in 1938 by successor	Sep 3rd, 2008 09:51:26 PM
Be faithful to Schuster and Siegel's vision, but incorporate more modern elements like flying and his weakness to Kryptonite. Also, don't slavishly recreate the Donner film. That's what made the last Superman film so terrible. Singer just reheated leftovers and served it to us on a cheap foam plate. And remember, Clark Kent is mild-mannered. That means he doesn't stand out in a crowd. He's just another reporter working at the Daily Planet. He's not a bumbling doofus like in the Donner films. If I were doing Superman, I'd start the film in black and white and have Clark just going about his business, typing out a story on his manual typewriter, when he hears a cry for help. He rushes to the nearest closet with his back to us, then turns and reveals the red "S" hidden under his suit. The film switches to color, Superman zooms out and saves a train that's about to be destroyed. Along the way, an American flag pole breaks. After Superman saves the day, he puts the American flag back up, then rushes back to the Daily Planet. Lois comes into the office and askes Clark what he's been doing all day. He says, "Not much." And please remember, whoever directs this film, that Superman stands for "Truth, justice and the American way." Not "Truth, justice and..." he gets cut off. I hated that about Singer's film.
There is NO definitive SUPERMAN, you idiots! by Bob Cryptonight	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:25:09 PM
All of you whining about how so-and-so doesn't "get" Superman are complete morons. Have you read the comics? Have you? The character CHANGES constantly...that's why they can keep publishing for decades. The Superman in Singer's film is no more "wrong" than those silly Dini cartoons, or the version of Superman on THE SUPER FRIENDS. And the Superman of the current, modern DC Comics could NEVER have grown up from Tom "Gee Whiz" Welling's character on SMALLVILLE. When Donner made Superman, he made Clark a bumbling idiot as a source of humor for the film audience AND to show how Superman, the character, enjoyed the act he was doing. That bumbling was way overdone in other sequels...but that version isn't any more valid than George Reeves' portrayal (who could have been Superman in a business suit for all of his attempts at keeping the two characters different). I say let someone new take a crack at it. If you end up liking it, there will be thousands who think it is totally wrong. But so what? This is no different than the SPIDERMAN films. The Peter Parker in Raimi's version is nothing like the character in the comics I used to read. Raimi had his turn and now his version is boring. These things always need to be reinvented to stay fresh...just like the comics. But it's a joke to say that someone "gets it" and someone doesn't. It's all a matter, really, of what DC and Warner will let them do with the character.
hallmitchell - get over the kevin smith script by NotMalcolmReed	Sep 3rd, 2008 10:31:12 PM
i've read enough of your posts around here to know you're kevin smith's biggest fanboy. but his superman script was terrible. too many sidekicks. superman had the eradicator, luthor had that female manservant, braniac had the gay robot, lois had jimmy olson. even the fuckin' trees had sidekicks in that screenplay!
Yes Bob. I have read the comics. by Juggernaut125	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:13:20 PM
And watched the movies. And the cartoons. And the TV show(s). And in none of those other mediums would Clark ever make the choices that Singer's Clark makes. He doesn't spy on people. That is wrong. In SR, he's outside Lois' house using his x-ray vision to see what she is doing. Not to see if she is safe. Not to keep the villains away. She was in no danger. He was spying. There is no other interpretation of that scene. In the comics, I know he left earth for a long stint, but although I don't remember the exact reason he left, in that universe there are a miriad of other heroes to pick up the slack while he is gone. There isn't a single mention of other heroes in the Singer/Donner universe. So, the idea that he would up and leave Lois, his mother and everyone else for five+ years on a 'Personal errand' is ridiculous. These examples are real and undeniable proof that Singer does not understand who Superman is. And honestly, anyone who liked Superman Returns DOESN'T 'GET' Superman either. Yes, Superman has changed from time to time. Changed his costume. Changed his powers. Died and come back to life. Crisis on Infinite Earths dictates that there was a Golden Age Superman who is different from the current post-Crisis Silver Age Supes. And discounting 'Elseworld's' storylines that don't exactly have continuity, Superman has never wavered from this characteristic. He knows the difference between right and wrong and would always choose what's right.
Take This Not Malcolm Reed by hallmitchell	Sep 3rd, 2008 11:16:54 PM
One thing I can say. Kevin Smith's script is alot better than the dross that is Superman Returns. What's wrong with sidekicks? Alot of fanboys know that an R2D2 style robot with a gay voice would have been hilarious. Kevin Smith knows Superman. It's a massive injustice that his Bionic Man, his Superman and his Green Hornet scripts will never make it to a screen.
What about Superman's other weakness.... by crazybubba	Sep 4th, 2008 04:50:18 AM

What about Superman's other weakness.... by crazybubba	Sep 4th, 2008 05:01:53 AM
Superman has 3 weaknesses. Like all superheroes his 1st weakness is his concern for other people. Every superhero movie has a scene where the villian forces the hero to choose between capturing or stopping the bad guy and saving someone's life. His next weakness is of course Kryptonite, but what about magic. I'd love to see one of these movie directors or producers pull a McCain and come out of left field with a seldom used character who uses magic and they find a way to make the character interesting. The best writers take lame uninteresting characters and bring them to life. George Perez did it with Robin years ago and Chris Claremont did it with the X-Men in 1975. Frank Miller did it with Daredevil.
Make Red Son the next movie by NotMalcolmReed	Sep 4th, 2008 05:26:30 AM
Bryan Singer's Superman Repeats means that the next movie needs to be revolutionaryly different. So adapt Red Son. But make Luthor behind the change in the timeline. That would put some balls back in those red tights.
put your hands together by future stan	Sep 4th, 2008 07:17:52 AM
like joey in friends said about jam and women. i loved singer's movie and think that it is a tragic mistake for the warners to forget that it was him that finally after nearly 20 years of the franchise trying to re-boot who managed to get a film out. it was them (warners) who fucked up the marketing and release of the film and thus the 'lack' (about $380 mill in cinema alone) of profit that it made (again, the most expensive movie of all time, and it still made nearly $400 mill!!!). give him another chance. and if miller really wants it, get them together and adapt millers ideas to suit the world that bryan has adopted from the great richard donner original. oh and by the way, i may not read as many comics as the rest of you, but i have seen donner's superman over 300 times, superman returns rocks, nuff said. singer for the win!!!
Tallboy66 by Movietool	Sep 4th, 2008 07:54:26 PM
I'll seek them out, thanks. But Superman Adventures was a book specifically aimed at kids, right? Do you really think that's the writing sensibility Millar would bring to a big-screen Superman? Or would we be much more likely to see him in "Ultimates," "Civil War," "Kick-Ass" mode?
Singer gave us X2, can't we give him some faith? by Drath	Sep 4th, 2008 11:01:57 PM
I know, Superman Returns wasn't he action movie everyone wanted. No Metallo, no Doomsday, no Brainiac, no Darkseid, no big giant SOMETHING for Superman to fight, it just didn't seem possible, did it? Well frankly, the chances of the movie doing that and sucking were huge. Yes, that damned Super-kid angle is so problematic it's hard to imagine future Superman movies not dealing with that instead of entering territory we hadn't seen in a movie like Lobo or the New Gods or something. I agree, the choice was flawed, but I can't shake the feeling that it will pay off. To me the biggest misfire of the movie is still Bosworth and the whole approach to Lois, whose response to Superman's absence was so so wrong (she coulda been, ya know, worried that he was dead or something before deciding "who needs that fucker?". But still, I don't want to throw out things that Singer brought like continuing to use the John Williams score, Spacey as Luthor, or most of the cast other than Bosworth. Routh was okay, and I'd hate for another fucking search to set everything back yet again. Unless they're getting Tom Welling, what's the point of more casting pain? Routh surprised most of us, I think he just needs to smile more in the role. He doesn't have quite the same level of charm that Reeve had. But still, come on, X-Men had some shortcomings too, but X2 was worth that wait. Taking X-Men away from Singer gave us X3, and if you liked that, you're an idiot. So let Singer fix Superman!

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