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The show is just okay...
by FuckMichaelBay
Sep 1st, 2008
12:12:49 AM
...but if SAVING GRACE can get a second season, so can this.
Mark-Paul Gosselaar (“NYPD Blue”)????
by ButtfuckZydeco
Sep 1st, 2008
12:14:11 AM
really? That's what he's known for?
Wow... it's shit...
by PirateEmery
Sep 1st, 2008
01:01:17 AM
Who would have guessed?

Seriously, are there any other professions other than Law or Medicine? I don't see a show about Accountants or Marine Biologists...

Lawyer, cop, and doctor shows are formulaic
by Mr Spork
Sep 1st, 2008
01:21:16 AM
There have been so many that they are cliches, nothing else can be done differently with them. When I saw the commercials for Raising The Bar, I could tell that it's the same as the multitude of other lawyer shows that have come and gone. For example, the usual judge and lawyer that butt heads.
I've seen the pilot
by aversiontherapy2
Sep 1st, 2008
02:11:10 AM
Well, I saw half of it, I just couldn't stand any more. It's like something that might have been popular in the 80s.
Ow.
by palimpsest
Sep 1st, 2008
03:12:34 AM
Remember when Bochco was a genius?
Does Gunn play a lawyer? Is the firm Wolfram and Hart?
by newc0253
Sep 1st, 2008
03:32:54 AM
Is his legal knowledge the Flowers-for-Algernon variety aquired via a quasi-faustian pact with the senior partners? Or is it the normal kind?
Zack Morris
by Jiggah
Sep 1st, 2008
03:37:57 AM
Mark-Paul Gosselaar is indeed Zack Morris as in Saved by the Bell. But yea, having seen the pilot, this show is pretty plain.
Saw it online, didn't finish watching it
by Cash907
Sep 1st, 2008
06:18:41 AM
Not sure if it was because of the show, or because I am so effing bored with courtroom dramas now. I think Damages was my limit... after that, I just kinda lost my taste for it.
Hey...
by Dr Gregory House
Sep 1st, 2008
07:05:17 AM
Who you callin' formulaic?!?
What I'd like to know
by BrandonGK
Sep 1st, 2008
08:17:43 AM
Is how are we suppose to take Zack Morris: Attorney at Law! seriously when he looks the lead singer of a hair metal cover band.
Will Screech make an appearance?
by mrfan
Sep 1st, 2008
08:45:04 AM
That would be a ratings blockbuster.
"Never has the justice system looked so silly"
by V'Shael
Sep 1st, 2008
09:34:47 AM
Really? Sillier than Ally McBeal?

I have my doubts anything could make the justice system look THAT retarded, ever again.

Excluding real life of course.

sounds like porno
by ironic_name
Sep 1st, 2008
10:03:25 AM
Let the TNT spin begin
by jimmay
Sep 1st, 2008
10:10:22 AM
I know every network likes to trumpet their own horn--it's called advertising--but TNT ramps it up to new levels. Between the popular but un-provocative "The Closer" and the generally ignored "Saving Grace", they act like people are starting new religions over their middle of the road, easier than going to the rental store, programming or something.

I can't wait to hear their new campaigns this fall: "From the network that gave you something to live for and brought meaning into your otherwise empty lives with the Closer and Saving Grace, TNT brings you the greatest television show ever made by anyone, anywhere, in history: Raising the Bar.

Critics are raving: 'shockingly … A whiff of [incredible, godly, genius] permeates this earnest ensemble piece' -TV Guide

"The Wall Street Journal raves about it's 'updated gloss and cast.' And the New York Times heralds it's 'rants about the primacy of truth.'

The Los Angeles Times gushes: 'It's not all bad' and '. . . it needed to be made.'

The Chicago Tribune effuses: 'these thinly drawn characters is compelling', and the San Francisco Chronicle screams in joy: 'fits squarely within the parameters of a TNT series.'

Variety proclaims triumphantly it 'springs from a well-worn playbook' and the Hollywood Reporter tearfully acclaims its 'above-average dialogue.'

Coming this fall, TNT gives you a show better than oral sex, ice cream or Jesus: Raising the Bar."

'Raising The Bar' is a terrible name
by Jordo
Sep 1st, 2008
11:13:08 AM
The moment I heard that this show was called "Raising The Bar" my eyes rolled into the back of my head. When the name of a show debuting in 2008 is a lame pun, I automatically assume it's going to fail.
Jimmay
by Biowolf
Sep 1st, 2008
11:18:42 AM
That was awesome! Hilarious!
Elevating the Saloon
by Napoleon Park
Sep 1st, 2008
12:30:55 PM
Levitating the cafe?

Yes, Mark Paul is best known for NYPD Blue, at least by people who have never seen the kid's show he made as a child actor. And for some Jane Kaszmarek is best known for her sting on Hill Street Blues.

Of course for fans of Bochco and legal dramas, we recall that Steven Bochco already tried channeling David E. Kelley once before with the short lived Kim Delaney vehcle "Philly". The fact is, every scene from the promos for this show that have been running on TNT make it look exactly like a recycled version of the Practice - in subject matter if not cast. "Sometimes we defend the guilty. sometimes the innocent are convicted and the guilty get away." Yawn, welcome to America.

Yes, I plan to watch it anyway. But it does seem like TNT looked at the kind of shows they were buying in syndication and decided to make their own.

Though maybe it it has Saving Grace's level of raw language and nudity it can get some of that old NYPD Blue "R-rated television" buzz going.

Whats so bad about saving grace?
by optimus122
Sep 1st, 2008
01:22:08 PM
Its got Lem in it and a naked Holly Hunter.
Oh and this show
by optimus122
Sep 1st, 2008
01:22:48 PM
looks like it stinks to high heaven
V'Shael
by offput
Sep 1st, 2008
01:31:14 PM
Trust me, it makes the justice system look much more petty than Ally McBeal.
here's an honest review
by ian216a
Sep 1st, 2008
02:20:43 PM
I saw the pilot over the summer and I can honestly say I will never watch another episode. Leverage was good though - you should watch that. And I call Schnanigans on the TB'er slagging off Saving Grace - it's pretty good really. I did really like that ending with Earl standing over Lem's brothers coffin - surprising subtle piece of storytelling that.
Hey everybody
by Harold-Sherbort
Sep 1st, 2008
03:29:44 PM
Mark Paul Gosselaar here. Go fuck yourselves.
You Want To Hit a Lawyer???
by Mindraven
Sep 1st, 2008
04:13:34 PM
Well, yes.
Jimmay
by palooka_boy
Sep 1st, 2008
05:03:28 PM
you made my day. thank you.
I will never watch another cop, lawyer, or doctor show
by jccalhoun
Sep 1st, 2008
05:34:30 PM
I've seen a million of them. I can't imagine anything that would make me want to watch another one. No wonder television ratings keep going down. Find a new premise people!
How about Dirty Sexy Money?
by Jodet
Sep 1st, 2008
06:29:10 PM
With that guy from Six Feet Under? I hear it's good...
Saving Grace is one of my favorite shows
by Napoleon Park
Sep 1st, 2008
07:12:52 PM
after Lost and The Venture Brothers.

If seeing a naked fifty year old woman cares your horse, maybe you shouldn't be watching TV with your horse in the first place.

And actually, in that nude bareback riding scene from the season finale, the horse didn't look all that scared.

Best line on TV of the entire post-strike season: "Shit, Rhetta, you've been touched by an angel."

I will watch another cop, lawyer, or doctor show
by Napoleon Park
Sep 1st, 2008
07:26:06 PM
Also espionage, action adventure and horror, plus science fiction and space opera. Also animation and sit-coms, sketch comedy and evening soap operas. And talk shows. It's the reality shows and game shows I don't care for.

But cop, legal and medical dramas? I like Bones, House, Boston Legal. I like Numb3rs and Grey's Anatomy. I like Criminal Minds. I'm not enthused about but can, if bored, watch CSI: NY and Private Practice. I enjoyed Shark and The Practice and, yes, Ally McBeal. During the period after I got out of the hospital ans was taking vicodin I even watched the whole runs of Diagnosis Murder and Matlock.

These popular genres are the basic building block elements that television if made of. I don't have a problem with that. The question isn't whether the genres are cliched but whether the writers can twist any new juice from the familiar husks.

I'm 55.5 years old. I could have stopped watching private eye shows with The Outsider and lawyer shows with Judd For The Defense and spy shows with... well name any '60s espionage show, though I think The Prisoner was the capper.

there are books I'll never read and classic albums I'll never hear, but I continue to watch television because it's a lifelong habit and it's easy and convenient.

And the following mantra should be posted as a caveat at the top of every AICH talk-back: if you don't like it, don't watch it.

The book was closed on Bronx courtrooms
by PumpyMcAss
Sep 1st, 2008
10:04:02 PM
twenty years ago with Wolfe's amazing Bonfire of the Vanities. I can't think of a better rundown of our fucked justice system than the early courtroom scenes in that brilliant book.
Napoleon Park
by Thrillho77
Sep 1st, 2008
10:51:51 PM
I applaud you. I agree with absolutely everything you said. Reality television is an ugly boil on the ass of society and would watch ANY other dramatic show, before I watched a "reality" show.

That said, "Raising the Bar" sucked ass.

Hey Melvin-Pelvis..
by Harold-Sherbort
Sep 1st, 2008
11:27:47 PM
..that's because I'm gay.
Jane Kaczmarek
by Neckbones
Sep 2nd, 2008
05:30:53 AM
I'm going on the record with you too, gridbug. Whenever I see her, I can't help but think, "wicked handjob."
It was HORRIBLE
by chrth
Sep 2nd, 2008
07:50:52 AM
Laughably bad. My wife and I agree: one and done.
Melvin_Pelvis: Cold Case fans won't like this
by chrth
Sep 2nd, 2008
07:54:14 AM
Based on the fact that my wife is a Cold Case fan and thought it sucked.

And yes, one data point is enough to draw a conclusion.

Baby Bochco cannot direct
by MGTHEDJ
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:46:33 PM
That was standard early 1980's stuff. They took all the greatest hits from shows created by "The Bochco Empire" (this includes David E. Kelly and William Finklestein), and cut and pasted a new show. Rich guy slumming (The Practice), crazy judge (Picket Fences), judge being female and chasing younger men (Ally McBeal and The Practice), criminal confessing to everything in 10 seconds (NYPD Blue), office romances (Civil Wars and McBeal and L.A. Law, and Boston Legal and The Practice..), finding out in the last scene the 2 antagonist are sleeping together goes all the way back to Hill Street Blues with the Captain and the Public Defender.

And did I mention the director sucked?-----later-----m

Show misses the point of recycling if they're not recycling the
by LeftFoot
Sep 5th, 2008
08:29:09 PM

     While your bored mind is wandering watching this bland stuff you mentally write better dialogue....
"You want to hit a lawyer?"
"All day long. And I'm starting to get the urge to punch out talentless child actors that are still stinking up shows."

And 'Saving Grace' is fucking brilliant. Original and unpredictable. It is unlike anything on TV.
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