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Figures. by Irina Spanko	Aug 26th, 2008 11:45:10 AM
It looks like a remake of Van Damme's Cyborg anyway.
what's with the animated sex and the city? by greyspecter	Aug 26th, 2008 11:45:47 AM
weird
A bad Vin Diesel movie? by grendelson138	Aug 26th, 2008 11:48:24 AM
I can't believe it. I'll bet this is the first film to star this guy that doesn't get two thumbs up. I still can't believe he didn't get an oscar for the first Fast and the Furious.
FOX IS A DISEASE by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 11:48:31 AM
Education is the cure!!!!
Just saw this... by Mister McClane	Aug 26th, 2008 11:49:21 AM
Last line is 'Hey Kids. There's a storm coming'. Spoken by Vin Diesel. Got the biggest laugh (for all the wrong reasons) of the film. Believe the reviews, this film is the worst sci-fi action movie I have EVER seen. Amateur in every respect. Do not even bother watching it on DVD or on TV. Ever!
Not surprised by Heckles	Aug 26th, 2008 11:49:52 AM
Looked like shit in the first place. Not to mention it has Vin Diesel.
van damme's cyborg? by Bouncy X	Aug 26th, 2008 11:50:24 AM
dont ever compare anything to that, that was such a terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible movie. its so bad the sequel had practically no connection to it, but seeing a 17yr old angelina jolie was stroke worthy so whew.
Bouncy X by Irina Spanko	Aug 26th, 2008 11:52:08 AM
The story, based on what I know, seems similar to Cyborg. And I agree it was bad, even though I am a Van Damme fan. The sequel was worse, however.
VIN HAS SAME PROBLEM AS THE ROCK by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 11:54:21 AM
Both have so much potential to be major league badasses but are hamstrung by terrible movies. I've thought long and hard about this, and it pains me.
French version by chuffsterUK	Aug 26th, 2008 11:58:07 AM
I believe was released last week in a fully uncut 90+min version.Sounds like the US get the cut down version!
I said this in the Riddick TB... by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 11:59:06 AM
...but I wanna see if anyone agrees, so I'll say it again. Does anyone else think Vin Diesel actually has a bit of talent in him? If he stopped doing crap like 4Fast4Furious and fucking Pacifier, he could shine. Not like some other great actors, but every so often I see a bit of potential light up. As for this... well, what do you expect? Fox is in a load of shit this year, their one heavyweight - X-Files - was a catastrophe I don't think anyone really saw coming (I expected it to fail, but not by THAT mucH), they're taking shit over Watchmen, fucking up with the Wolverine sets, and basically being utter toolsheds.
Ah, the evil, soulless studio, interfering with "l'artiste"... by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 26th, 2008 12:02:52 PM
Clearly, all of Kassovitz's films have been sabotaged by evil studios in the past. Because each of them is a moronic mess. Evil studio, each time. Right, Matty boy? Uwe should try that excuse.
who cares? by broken ear	Aug 26th, 2008 12:04:09 PM
Vin Diesel is weak! this look like a bad combo of XXX & Riddick. Same crap.
Vin brought this calamity upon himself... by marlow2	Aug 26th, 2008 12:06:06 PM
He's been offered everything under the sun. He could've been Conan's son in Milius' KING CONAN but walked away bcs of his sense of importance. He could've had the assassin role in Collateral opposite Jude Law but walked away. He's the worst kind of douche... he overvalues his sense of self. He thinks he's a thespian when he should've and could've been the next big action star. To make things worse, he's a fake modest guy. In interviews he comes off as Mr. Aw-shucks I'm just a D & D nerd but in real life he's a selfish, egotistical turd who turns his back on his friends of 20 years. Every person that ever worked for him has walked away from his One Race shingle, which is run by a skeleton crew: Vin and his sista. You reap what you sow Vin-dog. Van Damme and Seagal are about to have some company on the DTV shelf... Hey Kids, there's a shit storm coming.
potential to be major league badasses? by broken ear	Aug 26th, 2008 12:10:19 PM
both of these guys blow. The studios are always trying to find the new action star, throwing shit at the fan hoping one will stick.
The trailer looked stupid as fuck... by Ironhelix	Aug 26th, 2008 12:13:52 PM
...i don't know what you people were expecting.
Fuck. Kiss a CoR sequel goodbye. by HoboCode	Aug 26th, 2008 12:19:02 PM
What a clusterfuck.
Vin should go back to moving pianos. by Bob Cryptonight	Aug 26th, 2008 12:20:53 PM
The boys in the van miss him, I'm sure.
Sad how a very promising director is treated by StarWarsRedux	Aug 26th, 2008 12:25:55 PM
Kassovitz should get back to his roots and make another movie like "La Haine"-- ie: something set in the REAL WORLD.
Very interesting article about FOX by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 12:27:38 PM
And how they're the most anti-creative corporation in the movie business. http://latimesblogs.latimes.co m/ the_big_picture/2008/08/ foxs-cruel-summ.html
Fox RULES by Sithdan	Aug 26th, 2008 12:36:26 PM

Stalin vs Predator... by Grayskull	Aug 26th, 2008 12:43:59 PM
Don't be a tard. Kassovitz is hardly the first director who's had a studio interfere with the production. It's been going on since the dawn of the industry, and Fox has a rep for being one of the worst meddlers.
Uh oh, FOX! You'd better get Philbrick on the line!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 26th, 2008 12:47:15 PM
Start your marketing damage control protocols...NOW!!!
La Haine by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 12:49:17 PM
It's a shame Kassovitz's finest hour was years ago. Also, it really does look more and more like Fox is digging it's own genre movie grave.
Disaster Movie... by AgentArchangel	Aug 26th, 2008 12:50:39 PM
...will either be trumped by Tropic Thunder, or end up Number 1. Or maybe there will be a last minute resurgence for Dark Knight to kick everyone's asses. Just a little wishful thinking.
I love when the trailer states,"From acclaimed director.." by skimn	Aug 26th, 2008 12:51:30 PM
Then the studio fucks with his work. The director bad mouthing the film doesn't automatically make it a disaster, but this doesn't bode well. Mr. Kassovitz meet Mr. Fincher, Mr. Fincher, Mr. Kassovitz.
similarities to FIFTH ELEMENT by filmfanatic1	Aug 26th, 2008 12:53:17 PM
guy gets hired to protect girl with superhuman abiilities... sound familiar?
Yup. Typical. by knowthyself	Aug 26th, 2008 12:53:28 PM
It's amazing any films turn out good these days. Studios just always think they know better.
Haha even Ratner complained about Rothman by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 12:58:09 PM
According to that LA Times article. Also it's worth reading the comments below it for stunning insights. Pfft.
If I owned a theatre, for those who paid to see by Big Jim	Aug 26th, 2008 12:58:49 PM
Disaster Movie, I would start off with the first minute of the film to get the opening credits out of the way, then I would show bits of the film's trailer mixed in with YouTube videos, and then wait to see if anyone notices.
I watched the trailer for this a few weeks ago by Big Jim	Aug 26th, 2008 01:00:49 PM
and thought it contained a huge spoiler. Sure it was a cool-looking shot, but I think they gave quite a bit away.
Vin by Monkeypuzzle	Aug 26th, 2008 01:05:31 PM
Seen most of his movies only Pitch Black was worth the time taken out of my life. he hasnt made a good movie since
Another fine production from.. by Spyhunter	Aug 26th, 2008 01:06:30 PM
Alan Smithee? Maybe? Certainly sounds like it should be.
Also... by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 01:10:22 PM
Listen to the Director's commentary on the X-2 dvd. Singer mentions his "attorney" suggested to him that Wolverine ought to get hot and heavy with Storm. Although as it turned out they were able to twist that absurdity into the Wolverine/Mystique tent scene.
Sounds like a shame by palimpsest	Aug 26th, 2008 01:15:36 PM
Kassovitz can be a good director (hey, I even liked CRIMSON RIVERS), and he's a decent actor too. As for Vin Diesel, the way he's going, don't be surprised if he ends up in THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: ASSIGNMENT MIAMI BEACH in a couple of years time...
Stalin vs. Predator by American Hyena	Aug 26th, 2008 01:17:34 PM
Each film has been a moronic mess? He's directed like...maybe ten films, most of them French and only two of which ANY of us have likely seen--Gothika (which I haven't seen and can't comment on) and La Haine, which is reeeeeeeally good and pretty damn critically acclaimed. Just sayin'
sigh by IAmLegolas	Aug 26th, 2008 01:21:37 PM
yet another theatrical clusterfuck to wait for the "Unrated" or "Director's Cut" DVD for.
Send in the plants! by DocPazuzu	Aug 26th, 2008 01:26:31 PM
Just watch, there will very shortly appear new talkbackers saying things like: "C'mon dudes, let's give this thing a shot! I mean, we should just be happy they're even making sci-fi movies, right? I LOVE sci-fi and I'm going to be there opening night with my hot girlfriend and as many family members as I can get together! This is gonna be da boooommmmb!"
Labor Day Weekend = Yeah, It's Bad by MGTHEDJ	Aug 26th, 2008 01:27:25 PM
This weekend is the dumping ground. Let's hope Murdoch and Ailes decide Rothman needs to go. I mean, they are having to shakedown Time Warner over "Watchman" so they can say they made SOME money this summer.------later------m
I wonder though... by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 01:28:10 PM
If a little Fox style studio interference would have improved Superman Returns. Even if some shithead suit sends you ridiculous memos, it still forces you to think critically about your work.
Shouldda released OUTLANDER against it by palimpsest	Aug 26th, 2008 01:28:40 PM
that's all I'm saying
heard nothing good about this so far by palewook	Aug 26th, 2008 01:30:59 PM
sounds like a derivative rip-off of most sci-fi movies from past 20 years. terminator meets blade runner. director doesn't like it. says what is on the screen wasn't on the page. etc.
mefrog by the beef	Aug 26th, 2008 01:31:48 PM
I agree. I always felt he was the better aspect of his bad movies, and he put in a great performance in FIND ME GUILTY. The problem with Diesel, and The Rock, is that they're action stars in a time of mostly poor action films for bulky men. Unfortunately, because of their physique it's probably a lot harder for them to find the James Bond or Jason Bourne action roles. I think if you extract Diesel, or The Rock from any of their bad films and insert a more reputable actor the movie would still be bad, and in some cases worse.
I had high hopes for this one.... by Gungan Slayer	Aug 26th, 2008 01:34:02 PM
but ditched them long ago after hearing the mess this project was going through.
FIRST!!!! by DarfurFTW	Aug 26th, 2008 01:35:44 PM

FIRST!!!! by DarfurFTW	Aug 26th, 2008 01:35:46 PM

Looks like by papabendi	Aug 26th, 2008 01:39:32 PM
cack. Like most studio films these days it looks like a mish mash of other, much better films.
Megan Fox Topless Lesbian Sex Scene... by PirateEmery	Aug 26th, 2008 01:42:42 PM
...in Jennifer's Body. What's wrong with you, AICN? What happened to your newsworthy updates? We got a lovely little post regarding the "Lake" Incident, yet you guys don't feel like this is important?
Newsflash: The big studios suck. by Rev. Slappy	Aug 26th, 2008 01:42:58 PM
Knowthyself is right: it's amazing anything good gets made. Ever. I think the quality we do have is mostly due to the great and highly professional crews that work in LA. The below the line people are salvaging any credibility the industry has. Read Mamet's book Bambi vs Godzilla some time. Mamet says the below the line crew works their ass off every day to make the movie as close to perfect as it can be and the above the line people don't give a shit. I've said it before, the major studios were all founded by and run for decades by people who loved movies. Did they make the occasional stinker back then? Of course they did. Now the studios are run by people who have no clue about movies, film history, anything. Today the studios only want to make big tentpole movies. There was a great LA Times article about this a couple of weeks ago, how Warner Bros. has all these finished New Line films that they may bury because they don't know how the hell to sell them. The studios are run by people who think grosses = quality -- if a movie makes money then it must have been good and if it loses money it must have been bad. Last years Warners buried their exceedingly well reviewed Jesse James movie that starred ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STARS ON THE FUCKING PLANET because they didn't like it and had no idea what to do with it. Jesse James went on to get major Oscar nominations in spite of their idiocy in handling it. If it weren't for the Oscars and these mouthbreahers wanting the glory of winning awards, the quality would be even worse. This is why some of the best on-film storytelling is being done on cable TV.
Battlefield Earth / Matrix = Babylon AD by MEMEOVORE	Aug 26th, 2008 01:45:10 PM
Hope long tongue Kelly Preston shows up! and Emo batman rocks.
makes me real nervous about dollhouse by logicalnoise01	Aug 26th, 2008 01:45:48 PM
I mean TV execs are known to be even more cutthroat than movie ones. Unless Fox's TV heads are somehow the complete opposites of their movie counterparts.
Sounds... .. . gay. by TooWhippy	Aug 26th, 2008 01:46:14 PM

Yeah, let's turn Diesel on to yet another Riddick flick! by tvspace	Aug 26th, 2008 01:47:44 PM
More post-apocalyptic crap... table for one...
Damn. I want my film to have that awesome 20th Century Fox logo/ by ciroslive	Aug 26th, 2008 01:48:43 PM
but it doesn't seem nearly worth it for all the hassle of dealing with Fox Suits...
Vin Deisel is by papabendi	Aug 26th, 2008 01:49:10 PM
a coffee table of an actor. That's it. Just a bland old coffee table with cup ring marks on it.
Don't badmouth the suits...unless you're French by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 01:49:19 PM
Kassovitz will probably get more respect from the French filmmaking community for shitting in Fox's faces than if he'd just stayed quite. You know what the French are like.
fuck fox in the a-hole by Obscura	Aug 26th, 2008 01:52:10 PM
they really dont know how to stay out of things they dont understand, namely making enjoyable films.
still gonna be a rental for me... by just pillow talk	Aug 26th, 2008 01:57:03 PM
No matter how messy it is.
Who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs... by Motoko Kusanagi	Aug 26th, 2008 01:57:43 PM
...in 2009?
Tugg by skimn	Aug 26th, 2008 02:00:53 PM
I hope you're wrong, but Tropic Thunder is petering out, and too smart a comedy for the Kmart crowd anyway...these "parodies" have been usually released in the dead months of winter, but I don't see anything strong enough to keep it from the 20 million dollar range this weekend..too fuckin bad.
FLAMES ON RIDDICK!!! NIPPLES ON THE PACIFIER!!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:10:49 PM
Oh my Lord~ Slaps hands!!!!
NONE OF YOU HAVE EVEN SEE IT YET!! IT GONNA BE AWESUM!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:13:31 PM
C'mon dudes, let's give this thing a shot! I mean, we should just be happy they're even making sci-fi movies, right? I LOVE sci-fi and I'm going to be there opening night with my hot girlfriend and as many family members as I can get together! This is gonna be da boooommmmb!
WE CAN ONLY HOPE THIS PUTS FOX AND MURDOCH OUT OF BUSINESS by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:15:24 PM
but that's not likely to happen since they're bankrolled by Lucifer. Oh well.
VIN DIESEL IN LITTLE BUDDHA 2: THE AWAKENING by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:18:14 PM
Cuz he's bald, and so wuz da BUDDHA
They Should Call It The Invasion 2 by A-COD	Aug 26th, 2008 02:23:04 PM
No one will notice.
I'd Love To See How Avatar Has Been Financed by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 02:23:27 PM
Even taking Titanic's success into account, I just can't imagine sci-fi sceptical Fox forking over $300 million to Cameron and giving him complete free reign. No doubt the costs have been spread over various financiers and I'm sure Cameron has invested some of his own considerable resources into it.
grueman by skimn	Aug 26th, 2008 02:23:50 PM
That would be funnier if it weren't so true. Don't forget to take some Slim Jim.
RIDDICK 2: RIDDICKEROUS by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:25:29 PM
Where u at? (beeep!)
Damn by Charlie_Allnut	Aug 26th, 2008 02:28:24 PM
I was cautiously optimistic about this...I was hoping for a fun sci fi action movie and a Vin Diesel movie that doesn't suck.
FOX........ by the1980mutant	Aug 26th, 2008 02:32:56 PM
How in the hell do people get in a charge of a Studio that have no idea what the public wants and even inhibit their own picks for directors because they think they know better? First they finished Xmen, now they are going to f@ck up Watchmen, don't even get me started on the AVP franchise which was am adolescent dream that they took a shit all over....twice!
:-P by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:36:12 PM
;-)
Cyborg Fucking Ruled by Mr Slippy Fist	Aug 26th, 2008 02:41:35 PM
Great 80's action movie. Would have been better if it had been the sequel to Masters of the Universe. I love Vincent Klyn screaming, "ATLANTA!" Classic movie.
Cyborg has its merits by r2hunter	Aug 26th, 2008 02:44:41 PM
It's a fun movie to watch while stoned and/or drunk. But what's with the black girls nipples? No wonder Van Damme refuses them.
That's a great LA Times article by FilmZ0mbie	Aug 26th, 2008 02:45:21 PM
This quote sums up exactly what's wrong with Fox's way of making movies. THANK YOU! "Innumerable agents have complained to me that Fox doesn't want filmmakers--it wants no-name traffic cops to direct its movies. Here're the people who directed the studio's 2007 summer films: James Wan, Tom Brady, David Silverman, Len Wiseman, Tim Story and Carlos Fresnadillo. I bet some of them are genuinely nice guys, but there's not a Warren Beatty or Tim Burton in the bunch."
Tugg by Rev. Slappy	Aug 26th, 2008 02:45:44 PM
I think there is a huge need out there for the studios to start making high quality mainstream movies. One of the reasons Dark Knight has done so well is that it's really good. This is what should happen all the time: the studio hires a director and they get the fuck out of his/her way. I don't know if this Vin Diesel movie we are discussing would ever be a good movie, but you can see what studio interference does -- rarely does it make a movie better.
hmmm..... by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Aug 26th, 2008 02:46:41 PM
Watching the trailers and tv spots.....it looks like the prettiest piece of shit out of the pile. Looks good....however,it tastes and smells like shit with a garnish of dingleberries....now thats classy.
About DISASTER MOVIE... by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 02:50:11 PM
I'm hoping that mayyyyybe audience members have gotten a little smarter about the shit that these guy shell out. I was in a sold out showing of Tropic Thunder last week and when the Disaster Movie trailer played, not one person laughed. Once. At all. It was actually kind of awkward. I mean, there was laughter at the beginning of the year for a fucking MEET THE SPARTANS trailer. Meet the fucking Spartans. I thought I had seen it all until Disaster Movie came, but NO ONE laughed at Disaster Movie. So I continue to hope. Fuck, maybe TDK will pull a massive comeback and take number one again. Please.
Vin Diesel by Series7	Aug 26th, 2008 02:51:00 PM
Oh what a wasted career.
Too bad Tropic Thunder is too smart. by Rev. Slappy	Aug 26th, 2008 02:52:07 PM
I liked it a lot, but I think it's way too inside about the industry for it to be a huge hit.
kind of sad by quadrupletree	Aug 26th, 2008 02:52:29 PM
I thought this might have potential... Damn you marketing!!!
BUDDHA'S VENGEANCE: RISE OF THE BUDDHATRON by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:55:24 PM
Starring Vin Diesel as the cybernetically altered monk Lao Sze Johnson. Co-starring David Ogden-Stiers as his father, Po Ming.
Damn it! by Forsakyn	Aug 26th, 2008 02:55:54 PM
Come on, Vin, get back to doing The Pacifier 2! Everyone wants it! Really!
BRING MAMA MIA BACK TO #1 !!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 02:56:40 PM
Buy 2 tickets! 3 if you have to!
I agree with Mathieu but his career is dead now... by TheWaqman	Aug 26th, 2008 02:56:43 PM
You can't badmouth big name producers and studios and expect to get any work again. But I agree, the director is too talented to have made this shit of a movie. And it lost ALL of its political and social significance in favor of shitty generic action sequences. What a fail of a movie. FOX is fucking stupid. They also fucked over Kingdom of Heaven (in which we got an amazing director's cut later released on DVD).
FUCK RUPERT MURDOCH by DOGSOUP	Aug 26th, 2008 02:59:55 PM
He hates Movies.
I HADN'T HEARD OF THIS MOVIE UNTIL THIS TALKBACK by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:05:35 PM
So the news is especially devastating to me.
BringinSexyBack by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Aug 26th, 2008 03:05:55 PM
how about i buy a ticket to The Dark Knight then go into the Mama Mia theater and fall asleep for 2 hours....just to spite this mission of yours HAHA!!! kidding....but im still not gonna see that shit
VIN DIESEL IS THE BRENDAN FRASER OF MULLATOS by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:06:58 PM
I said it, and don't regret it.
= the proven way to keep getting work with fox. by alice 13	Aug 26th, 2008 03:07:47 PM
>coughwhedoncough
FARTEDINTHEFACE by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:08:22 PM
That was my intent - I used reverse psychology on all a youse!!! MUAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH!!
..... by fartedinthefaceofhollywood	Aug 26th, 2008 03:10:30 PM
the first time i heard ANYTHING about this movie was seeing the TV spot about 3 weeks ago.....thats NOT a good sign. Vin Diesel should just go about being a bouncer at a titty bar and give up "acting"....who knows, maybe....just mmmaaayyybe Fast and Furious will be a hit....but after Tokyo Drift, who gives a shit.
GIMME A BOY!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:10:38 PM
I'm boycotting Iron Man 2. Who's with me? Can I get an Amen brothers?
The Rock is a great actor in the making by liljuniorbrown	Aug 26th, 2008 03:14:20 PM
He's not afraid to take some risks like in Be Cool ( he shined in a real turd fest) or in Southland tales. I'm not saying he's Daniel Day Lewis, he's just alot better than Vin Diesel ever dreamed of being.
YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD REVIVE DIESEL'S CAREER? by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:16:20 PM
A musical romedy.
DIESEL SHOULD PLAY A FIREFIGHTER by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:17:08 PM
I don't know why but that's what my gut tells me.
This Fucking Sucks! by warghost	Aug 26th, 2008 03:37:16 PM
I really hate it when these dumb asshole execs ruin a great visionary tale by getting involved in their development. The worst part is, they keep churning out these shitty films, and they see dwindling turnouts at the box office, so they think people don't want to see sci-fi action flicks anymore. That means they're less inclined to give a larger budget to this type of movie. They're too ignorant to understand that they have forgotten how to make a great movie. The actors these days SUCK!! The directors these days SUCK!! There are, of course, exceptions to the rules...but there are no Harrison Fords anymore, no George Lucas, and no Spielbergs anymore. Even these former greats are only a shadow of their former selves now. The sci-fi genre is doomed. But, to be fair, the first sign of a shitty movie is the inclusion of Vin Diesel. Chronicles of Riddick was the exception, but he can never be forgiven for XXX.
THEY SHOULD REMAKE THE TOWERING INFERNO by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:39:56 PM
with Diesel as the Steve McQueen firefighter.
"Beat the shit of anyone walking out of DM." by Darth Macchio	Aug 26th, 2008 03:40:02 PM
Haha! Quote of the day! Not to mention a totally excellent idea!
TheWaqman by TroutMaskReplicant	Aug 26th, 2008 03:40:52 PM
Well his Hollywood career is over. But as I mentioned, he'll probably get respect in France for telling Hollywood to fuck off. I doubt that he'll be making anymore big budget films though. And he never made anything better than La Haine.
Vin Diesel should fire his agent by TVguy4566	Aug 26th, 2008 03:41:11 PM
Can you think of an actor who has made worse career choices than Diesel. It was the IT action star after Fast and the Furious and he followed it up with XXX and A Man Apart. He got lucky with the Pacifier, but blew it with the Chronicles of Riddick. Chronicles of Riddick wasn't a horrible movie, but it was a big budget loser that probably should have been a new franchise since it really didn't seem to fit into the Pitch Black universe.
DISASTER MOVIE = The End Is Really Fucking Nigh! by turketron	Aug 26th, 2008 03:45:21 PM
They even say so to an extent in the trailer. FUCK FUCK FUCK the existence of that movie.
I'D LIKE TO SPANK VIN'S BARE ASS AND MAKE HIM CALL ME DADDY by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 03:46:57 PM
Hope you don't mind me sharing!
Vin Diesel by skimn	Aug 26th, 2008 04:05:26 PM
and Michael Wincott as firefighting brothers, who after years of smoke inhalation, can only speak in a low decibel rumble that only they can understand. Call it Lungs Of Fire.
Isn't Cyborg.... by Wuu	Aug 26th, 2008 04:38:51 PM
...the one where Van-Damme's character is named Rickenbacker? That's almost as good a name as Rowsdower.
skimn by REDD	Aug 26th, 2008 04:45:46 PM
That's funny, with a cameo by Bale's Batman.
C'mon dudes, let's give this thing a shot! by The Dum Guy	Aug 26th, 2008 04:47:34 PM
I think that the choo-choo train looks nice or was that a bus? But, seriously, did anyone see Death Race, or House Bunny, or The Rocker, or Mirrors? The only good thing out in cinemas right now is Pineapple Express, Tropic Thunder and Dark Knight... we are going to have to wait weeks for anything good to show.
Isn't this the director of "GOTHIKA?" by Johnny Storm	Aug 26th, 2008 04:53:22 PM
I'm sorry, I'm sure Fox sucks dick. But that movie was fucking unwatchable. So what was his excuse that time?
would if I could, necgray by The Dum Guy	Aug 26th, 2008 05:21:21 PM
But, the closest place to see it from where I live is around a 2 hour drive.
Vin Diesel to star in Roadhouse 3: by CyG	Aug 26th, 2008 05:23:00 PM
The Blue Oyster Bar. May I push in your stool?
Maaan, he just got FOX'D!!! by thatpeterguy	Aug 26th, 2008 05:24:56 PM
Lawyers to the set? Not being able to shoot even one scene the way he wants? As a director myself I hope I never get FOX'd like Kassovitz did. I guess they aren't big on the "auteur theory".
Disaster Movie! by worldofwarcraft	Aug 26th, 2008 05:28:44 PM
Good to see people getting excited about this. And why not? Girl I know had more laughz watching Belly of the Beast by Steven Seagal than Tropic Thunder. I will be there for DM opening night, and I can GUARANTEE I will laugh my ass off!
I must be psychic. by thedottedlion	Aug 26th, 2008 05:36:47 PM
Somehow I guessed that a movie made by fox, starring vin diesel, and directed by the guy who made Gothika would suck. Actually, any person alive could've guessed that. Btw, were I a fox producer, I would fight the director on every scene as well. Dude made Gothika! Behind Blue Eyes by Fred Durst? Jesus Christ.
I've got plans for Disaster Movie by liljuniorbrown	Aug 26th, 2008 06:18:13 PM
I swear on everything I hold dear that I will buy a ticket to Dark Knight, go in to the theater for the 7pm showing of Disaster Movie,walk to the very middle of the theater and shit in the floor. I apologize to the theater workers in advance but this movie has it coming.
Amelie by TheHumanBeingAndFish	Aug 26th, 2008 06:22:36 PM
Didn't Mathieu Kassovitz play Amelie's love interest?
Disaster Movie by jsm1978	Aug 26th, 2008 06:29:37 PM
I can't wait for that movie to come out... just so I can stop seeing the crap trailers for it on tv. That being said... I actually thought Babylon looked like it might have been a decent movie. Maybe there will be a director's cut on DVD that will be worth watching.
Grueman by liljuniorbrown	Aug 26th, 2008 06:57:14 PM
I am dead serious about doing that. The biggest theater near me will be about half full of the typical frat boy's and there girlfriends who probably saw the the trailers for this movie during "The Hills" or " E! news " and can't wait for the new masterpiece from the people that brought us Meet The Spartans. What they don't realize is that as soon as the theater gets dark and they are busy doing a running commentary on every fucking trailer and commercial on the screen......I will be unleashing two days worth of disgustingly bad eating habits in front of them on the floor.
movie actually improved by kicking director out by harryflashman	Aug 26th, 2008 06:58:28 PM

Honestly, has taking a movie away by comedian_x	Aug 26th, 2008 06:58:32 PM
from a director and gutting the movie in editing ever worked for a studio? Has it ever resulted in higher box office or better reviews? I can't think of one time it has worked successfully and yet they keep doing it. All we can do is wait for the inevitable Director's Cut DVD I guess.
as I was saying..movie actually improved by.. by harryflashman	Aug 26th, 2008 07:01:24 PM
kicking a director out of the editing room and doing reshoots - American History X. I know it was the studio but close a dammit with Norton doing the booting. There must be more movies out there that have been improved by kicking a pretentious or untalented hack of a director out. Anyone??
Second review above by OwnedbyGeorge	Aug 26th, 2008 07:10:36 PM
from SciFi movie page sounds like it could be a review for the Dark Knight.
Diesel best career move: by Phategod2	Aug 26th, 2008 07:13:29 PM
The Grunts and groans for the Iron Giant. Thats about it.
Remember when Vin and The Rock were being by hallmitchell	Aug 26th, 2008 07:48:00 PM
hailded as the carriers of the Torch from Stallone and Big Arnie. What happened? Vin - please do some kick ass comic or fantasy films. Please. You are potentially one of the great action stars. You are blowing it. My gut told me Babylon A.D. would suck despite killer title.
Studios, Just Create a Stable by Playhouse	Aug 26th, 2008 08:09:39 PM
Hire a bunch of Z-grade and television directors to churn out your slickly produced crap with no creative input. Then the A-List directors and directors with vision should form their own studio/company that allows them to create the films they want to make.
hora minasai by Chewbaccalypse Now	Aug 26th, 2008 08:29:38 PM
I told you guys about this in the Riddick Talkback yesterday......just sayin.
Thank you Grueman by liljuniorbrown	Aug 26th, 2008 08:44:53 PM
I will post a blow by blow update that night when I get home. I was scared for like one second about getting arrested, but I could always pretend to be having a seizure or just go full retard. Either way i don't think i have much to be concerned about other than stepping in my own shit on the way out of the theater.Thanks for the props.
A lesson for action directors: Don't work for FOX! by Neo Zeed	Aug 26th, 2008 09:19:36 PM
This shit was doomed from the start.
Shitting on the floor of a public place? by worldofwarcraft	Aug 26th, 2008 09:39:04 PM
Thats just classless. Though if you happen to do it at the theater I'm at, popcorn and nachos on me! And if you actually sit through the entire movie afterwards I'll treat to video games in the theater lobby! (no Dance games, though)
Doesn't surprise me. by jae683	Aug 26th, 2008 09:54:40 PM
It illustrates everything that's wrong with Hollywood today. That any decent movie gets made is a minor miracle.
Probably had to be cut for a . . . wait for it . . . by kabong	Aug 26th, 2008 10:28:07 PM
PG.
The more studio tampering, the bigger the bomb! by Kasch	Aug 27th, 2008 12:09:32 AM
Seriously, studios spend all this time pulling their shit and acting like "perfectionists" to please every audience member under the sun and what does it amount to? A movie that will arrive and fade away from all collective thought in a week or two. Hollywood is just downright fucking retarded. Isn't it about time for the studios to collapse again so we can re-live the 70's? Y'know, when directors actually made movies...
Didn't Kassovitz know what Fox is like????? by Ecto-1	Aug 27th, 2008 02:11:20 AM
Most of us movie fans know that Fox is one of the worst studios out there and that Rothman is a moron. So how come that Kassovitz, someone who actually works in the industry, didn't know this? And just went ahead and set up a project with them. It's a damn shame but I think he should have known better.
Why is the animated short siding with Diesel? by Roketopunch	Aug 27th, 2008 02:39:25 AM
WTF. Yeah like Vin Doodoohole is anything to scream about. The short tries to pretend that Diesel is the next cinema action hero. He is another fabricated shitty actor with no screen presence. he isn't saving crap. Fuck him, fuck the short and the maker of that is a douche bag that doesn't know anything about the cinematic hero. DIE!
can't wait for this by ironic_name	Aug 27th, 2008 03:01:22 AM
a straight to dvd movie on the big screen, sounds like a howler.
iron giant is still his only real movie by ironic_name	Aug 27th, 2008 03:04:44 AM
and that was a cartoon directed by a hack.
Amelie by SmallTuna	Aug 27th, 2008 03:09:49 AM
Yes Mathieu Kassovitz played Amelie's love interest. He also played in the 5th Element, Munich, La Haine and the City of Lost Children...
The 4 Faster 4 Furiousness 4... by Gym	Aug 27th, 2008 03:51:28 AM
Lets not forget that the V-man still has this little beauty in the pipeline. Perhaps they'll substitute a number 4 for one or more of the F's in the title.Hopefully there'll be a bit where a car powerslides round a corner, and shoots a red shell at another car.
Fox must have something by methosb	Aug 27th, 2008 04:21:43 AM
They have the worst rep around yet they still manage to get directors to work with them again and again. Even the ones that got screwed over by Fox like Apatow, Hurwitz or Whedon still go back to them... I am guessing the answer is ginormous piles of cash.
was he the guy with the hall photo on his head. by ironic_name	Aug 27th, 2008 05:44:21 AM

was he the guy with the hall photo on his head in 5th? by ironic_name	Aug 27th, 2008 05:45:18 AM

this year's Little Miss Ultraviolet! by Spandau Belly	Aug 27th, 2008 06:47:46 AM
And maybe I want different things from a movie, but that first review actually made me want to see it.
That trailer was horrible. by Knuckleduster	Aug 27th, 2008 07:19:28 AM
Slapping Clint Mansell's old scores over shitty footage does not a good trailer make.
Playhouse - that already happened - nearly 100 years ago! by Maniaq	Aug 27th, 2008 07:35:55 AM
The company was formed by Charlie Chaplin, Douglas Fairbanks, DW Griffith, and Mary Pickford (and their lawyer) and it was called... UNITED ARTISTS. UA went on to produce successful film franchises like Sergio Leone's "spaghetti westerns" and the Pink Panther and James Bond films - eventually (ahem) merging with MGM and I think now belonging to Tom Cruise?
Problem by Cobbio	Aug 27th, 2008 08:18:27 AM
Vin Diesel isn't the problem here, in my opinion. Though I haven't liked several of his films, I still think that, if used properly, he does good work. The problem here is Fox. Meddling, small-minded, anti-artistic, lawyered-up Fox. My fucking god, leave your directors alone! Advise occasionally, but let your fucking directors direct. Because armchair lawyering ruins films, on both the creative level and at the box office. See a pattern here, Fox? Not one hit this entire year? What's up with that? "The Dark Knight" and others making your studio look like braindead, micromanaging bitches? The answer: yeah, they are. And then some. Other studios offer better policies, more creative freedom, less bean counter strong-arming, less American Idolizing, and wider thinking among its higher-ups. I'm not saying the other studios are saints, by any means, but compared to Fox they are. I feel bad for David Fincher ("Alien 3") and Mathieu Kassovitz. I wish them well in their post-Fox endeavors.
Iron Giant directed by a hack?? by skimn	Aug 27th, 2008 08:33:53 AM
No one going to call out ironic_name for calling Brad Bird a hack? Fine, I will. Ex-fucking-cuse me? Brad Bird a hack? The director of one of Pixars best films (two if you really like Ratatouille), and a great adaptation with The Iron Giant, perhaps the best American traditional 2D animated film of the past 15 years. WTF!!!!
accordingtojimrulz, I'm sure Massa's on it by Spandau Belly	Aug 27th, 2008 08:40:24 AM
He's some sort of massochist.
Van's next epic-- by thegreatwhatzit	Aug 27th, 2008 09:36:31 AM
THE PACIFIER II (preceded by a gig on DANCING WITH THE STARS). And maybe a stint on CHELSEA, LATELY (c'mon, you know she's hot).
Not a hack by Cobbio	Aug 27th, 2008 10:14:04 AM
I agree, Skimn. "The Iron Giant" was a fabulous, emotionally engaging film that was NOT directed by a hack. I mean, Brad Bird also directed "The Incredibles." Anyone have the balls to call him a hack after seeing that movie? I think not.
by Chief Joseph	Aug 27th, 2008 11:18:24 AM

Sithdan = plant by Chief Joseph	Aug 27th, 2008 11:19:05 AM

yep, directed by a hack by ironic_name	Aug 27th, 2008 11:22:16 AM
a ripoff merchant. not as bad as that lying arsehole that made nemo, but still a hack.
Stop hating on FOX!!! by standundermyumbrella	Aug 27th, 2008 12:36:49 PM
Next year they are giving us: Wolverine. ice Age 3 and Avatar!
Re: ironic_name by Cobbio	Aug 27th, 2008 05:04:39 PM
Brad Bird's a hack, huh? Man, I sure wouldn't want to be you.
wait wtf.. by throwingpies	Aug 27th, 2008 06:30:03 PM
I never watched Gothika when my gf insisted, but she pretty much confirmed my dread about it. This is the same director.. What the hell did you all expect?
BabylonAD gets 0% on Rotten Tomatoes Most impressive! by G100	Aug 27th, 2008 07:12:21 PM
Yeah there's only bout 6 reviews so far. Still, made me laugh. Oh, and if you spend actuall cash to go watch Disaster Movie you clearly enjoy molesting poodles and chihuahuas. Scientific Fact !
Hating on Fox by docgl	Aug 27th, 2008 07:13:24 PM
Its' hard not to hate a company like Fox. I don't plan on seeing any Fox Productions including Wolverine. I will not watch any Fox shows until they release their grip on the Watchmen movie!
I'm watching CoR right now on some shitty by puzzledman69	Aug 27th, 2008 07:22:01 PM
digital channel. Seriously who thinks this is a good film. One of the best things about Pitch Black was the depiction of space travel and the future was vaguely realistic and then the sequel comes out with a bunch of gay cyberpunks and Dame Judi Dench floating about like an unwelcome fart. The films a joke. And another thing, why is it necesary for anyone evil in these films to have a mullet and wear black eyeliner.
Sucks! Damn it! by Russman	Aug 27th, 2008 07:59:11 PM
So hard to get a good Sci Fi movie. Although after reading another article this one seemed to be a cluster F from the day one. Poorly written script, reports of VIn showing up late all the time, and laughing about it. They ran late and got kicked off a soundstage. (sigh) bummer.
To the 'Brad Bird's a hack' putz... by Darkman	Aug 27th, 2008 08:12:32 PM
You're gonna be first in line for DISASTER MOVIE, aren't you? Just admit it.
Kassovitz has been sold out by Hollywood by Seth Gecko	Aug 28th, 2008 03:00:27 AM
Another genius goes down the gurgler. Anyone who calls themselves a film fan should check out the brilliant Crimson Rivers and Kassovtiz's masterpiece La Haine (Hate). The guy is a top draw director and he has been John Woo'd by hollywood. Woo's Hong Kong masterpieces are perfect examples of why foreign directors should steer clear of the money over quality regime that Hollywood has become of late.
talkbacker standundermyumbrella... by DocPazuzu	Aug 28th, 2008 05:05:33 AM
...has participated in a total of four (4) other talkbacks, two of which dealing with Avatar and one dealing with AvP. In the latter his post has this headline: "Stop giving FOX a hard time!" He's also participated in a Clone Wars TB, but only to venomously bash AICN. standundermyumbrella is a fucking plant cretin sent out by his ghoulish, bloodsucking whoremasters at Fox for damage control.
B.A.D. le Film. by SenatorNado	Aug 28th, 2008 09:26:17 AM
The film's official french site is: www.bad-lefilm.com BAD the Movie. Did the irony of that hit anybody at Fox?
I just saw it and... by Speedstream	Aug 30th, 2008 11:50:08 PM
it was a disjointed disaster. I hope they paid Vin a ton - because...wow - he deserves it for how they raped this one. The director was bang on about how terrible it was!
Huh? by KidCthulhu	Apr 12th, 2009 12:13:18 AM
What's with the flashback?
Did I fall through a wormhole again? by KidCthulhu	Apr 12th, 2009 12:13:57 AM

You have entered..THE ORCUS ZONE by Orcus	Apr 15th, 2009 10:23:45 PM
Enjoy your stay and please done piss on the drapes

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