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Can we all agree that Cher as Catwoman is total bullshit?

First by sloanist	Aug 25th, 2008 04:16:12 PM
is for losers
Also by sloanist	Aug 25th, 2008 04:17:09 PM
This story was not necessary unless you have a gaping head wound.
Choosing Maggie and Katie as the respective hot love interests.. by terry1978	Aug 25th, 2008 04:17:16 PM
Cher would actually be right in line with that casting.
Well I think... by Cory849	Aug 25th, 2008 04:19:16 PM
...that it is an almost immutable law of hollywood that Part 3's suck donkey balls. So really we're just speculating on how it will come to suck donkey balls. Personally I've already enjoyed the series, mourned it and moved on.
Forget doing BATMAN 3! by sapno_krei	Aug 25th, 2008 04:23:00 PM
Dear Mr. Nolan: Avoid the missteps of JEDI, SPIDER-MAN 3, MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, and X-MEN 3 missteps altogether and call it a day. Sometimes I think it's better to be left wanting than to get a product which doesn't top its predecessor.
that would be one old pussy cat by irrelevntelefant	Aug 25th, 2008 04:23:04 PM

Agreed, but... by Heckles	Aug 25th, 2008 04:23:27 PM
I was no where close to being sold on Heath Ledger as The Joker. I agree that Cher as Catwoman is the worst idea. I don't want to even dwell on it. At this point though, whoever is the next villan is going to be compared to Ledger, and that's rough.
I think this article is a waste of space. by Executor	Aug 25th, 2008 04:23:53 PM
That's what I think.
Cher will not be Selina Kyle she will be... by dihay	Aug 25th, 2008 04:24:03 PM
Selina's mother, who Thomas Wayne may or may not have had an affair with.
Part 3 has to be Penguin! by RobRed1	Aug 25th, 2008 04:24:07 PM
Each of Nolan's films has had an underlying theme. Part 1 was exploring Fear. part 2 was the thin line between civilization and chaos. Part 3 should focus on how Cobblepot/Penguin is the mirror opposite of Wayne/Batman. Both rich. Both lost their parents. One uses his company to do good while fighting crime at night. One uses his riches unethically and immorally while being a criminal at night. Gotta be Penguin!
Angelina Angelina Angelina by waggy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:06 PM
Come on, this one is a no-brainer.
Why does anyone by montimer	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:08 PM
post rumours from the Daily Telegraph? In addition to this rumour the paper also recently suggested that Brittany Spears is being cast in a QT version of faster Pussycat Kill Kill. I swear their film journalists are either too lazy to find any real news and are just making it up (much like all the other cunts that work on the paper), or that they simply take as gosple the fake news stories that peddlers of Viagra and Porn are using to bypass spam filters. Dicks!
sapno_krei is right by Heckles	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:16 PM
History tells us the third movie will be shit. But with $500 million domestic (almost), there is no fucking way Warner Bros. will pass on another sequel.
There won't be a sequel - at least not yet. by theyreflockingthisway	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:20 PM

I don't care if he casts by dirty john	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:24 PM

My casting picks by heavenlykid	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:51 PM
Okay here's my top picks. Joker: Guy Pearce. Riddler: Philip Seymour Hoffman. Penguin: Danny Devito (I know he's already done it but, really, who else?). Catwoman? Okay this is the toughest one but my top picks would be Reese Witherspoon, Helena Bonham Carter, Natalie Portman or Kate Winslet. That's my two cents.
I may agree that we don't need Batman 3 by JediRob	Aug 25th, 2008 04:25:52 PM
TDK was pretty close to perfect. a phenomenon. Perhaps the best thing to do is leave it be, and perhaps Nolan would....but WB most certainly would and will not.
my fucking computer. by dirty john	Aug 25th, 2008 04:26:11 PM
...bette midler as the penguin. I trust chris nolan completely.
Children of Men??? by Charlie_Allnut	Aug 25th, 2008 04:27:10 PM
To each his own I guess.
I sure fuckin hope so. by TomHooligan	Aug 25th, 2008 04:27:20 PM
If you're gonna cast Cher as Catwoman, you might as well cast Micheal Jackson as the Riddler and Silvester Stalone's mum as Clayface. Complete poppycock. By Jove.
My 2 cents... by Han Ol' Buddy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:27:52 PM
I honestly think Anna Faris could do a great job as Catwoman. Flame away!
I want this to keep going on by WolfmanNards	Aug 25th, 2008 04:29:21 PM
It will be fun to see how retarded these rumors are going to get. The same shit goes on with cult TV series during their summer hiatus. I remember hearing theories for smallville that Chloe was Lois. And some pretty goofy theories on who the next cylon might be on BSG. It just goes to show how unimaginative the general public is and why people like Nolan get to be at the reigns instead of everyday joe. Because Everyday Joe wants to give Batman a rocketpack and make love to sarah michelle gellar as batgirl 200ft above gotham city. Fanfiction sucks, but it's funny-bad.
My picks for catwoman are by ChocolateJesusMan	Aug 25th, 2008 04:29:29 PM
Asia Argento or either monica baccarin.. heck let jurnee smollet take on the role kind of like a neo Eartha Kitt
It sounded like an April Fools joke by ThrowMeTheIdol	Aug 25th, 2008 04:29:35 PM
Not real at all. But if it does turn out to be real, I think it would be a total disastrous choice.
"Don't do a part 3" by ebonic_plague	Aug 25th, 2008 04:30:20 PM
Actually, don't listen to people who say that. Only a joyless fanboy douche would advise against another kick ass Batman movie just because "third sequels suck." No, you suck, I want another Batman movie, thankfully so does the WB. Nolan can do whatever he wants, fanboy bitching is as sure as the sun rising each day.
leave "jedi" out of the trilogy disses by dirty john	Aug 25th, 2008 04:30:25 PM
you know you had a boner when R2 shot the lightsaber to Luke over the Pit of Carkoon...
There won't be a sequel - at least not yet. by theyreflockingthisway	Aug 25th, 2008 04:30:34 PM
Oops - accidently pressed enter there... The Dark Knight was a perfect self contained film that didn't end with the purpose of setting up a seqel. They didn't leave it open ended (unless open ended is Batman being alive), which means any casting for a sequel will be a LONG way off as one hell of a script needs to be written first. OK, because of all the money it made, WB WILL want a sequel but I can't see Nolan and crew rushing into it just yet. They've created a master piece with The Dark Knight, they won't hurry out a sequel that could dampen their reputation. It's going to be a VERY hard film to top - if there is a third film, it'll be a while coming as it would have to be perfect.
Ignore all casting rumours... by Thot	Aug 25th, 2008 04:30:53 PM
...until at least next year.
Lily Tomlin as the Riddler by ThrowMeTheIdol	Aug 25th, 2008 04:31:00 PM
Would make about as much sense.
f#@k the telegraph by ATown	Aug 25th, 2008 04:31:13 PM
i thought no one would take that bs seriously until i saw it appearing on other sights i hold in some esteem. they'll just make up anything and call it fact in order to get readers. i'm sure i'll spend the next week explaining to my friends that this stuff isn't true. also, read the actual article at the telegraph. it's absurd. reports that johnny depp is already signed for the riddler and the movie is officially called the caped crusader. (though, those last two nuggets would be cool if true.)
More Sequels JediRob!!! Have Faith! by TomHooligan	Aug 25th, 2008 04:31:37 PM
Nolan is a far more ruthlessly talented director than someone like Sam Raimi or Brett Rat-wank-ner, so i think that any sequel in his hands would not suffer the same fate as Spiderman 3/ X men: last stand.
Time for my gratuitous "Kristen Bell for Harley Quinn!" by Pennsy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:31:38 PM
comment. :)
Han Ol Buddy hear me out on this one and flame away by ChocolateJesusMan	Aug 25th, 2008 04:32:12 PM
How about Anna Farris not as Catwoman But as Lois Lane
also, helena bohnam carter or asia argento by ATown	Aug 25th, 2008 04:32:17 PM
either would be a perfect catwoman in my book.
Time for my "Kristen Bell for Harley Quinn!" comment by Pennsy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:32:19 PM
:)
Duplicate post there, sorry... by Pennsy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:32:53 PM

If they go with the Penguin by ThrowMeTheIdol	Aug 25th, 2008 04:33:18 PM
They should make him like Bob Hoskins in the Long Good Friday. A scary tough little mob boss.
Cher? Yeah, Maybe In A Remake Of Nipple Disco Batman by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 04:33:21 PM
There is no way in hell this is even remotely true.
No Batman 3 by mefrog	Aug 25th, 2008 04:33:38 PM
TDK is too perfect
I think sean young deserves her chance.... by dirty john	Aug 25th, 2008 04:34:23 PM
hope the catsuit still fits..
Eva Green Is Catwoman by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 04:34:25 PM
Accept this fact and make it so.
Kevin Smith will give his take on this at Invesco field.. by Captain_Pigphucker	Aug 25th, 2008 04:35:04 PM
On Thursday after the colored guy talks
What do I think? I HOPE you have a life . . . by WX1	Aug 25th, 2008 04:35:31 PM
. . . because it's gonna be one mothaf*&kin' long time 'til we see III. Been contemplating that advanced or professional degree (other than M.D.)? Certification? Go for it . . . when you're done you'll have, oh, probably a few years 'til the opening. London Olympics'll be over . . . and there STILL won't be a III. I mean, really . . .
MONICA BELLUCI!!!! by TomHooligan	Aug 25th, 2008 04:36:02 PM
My god, can you imagine her in leather with a whip? I'd pay to see that.
I think I would prefer a non-Batman followup. by Fawst	Aug 25th, 2008 04:36:02 PM
Much like he gave us one of my favorite movies of all time, The Prestige, in between Batman films, I would prefer he takes a step back from that world to give us something else. In fact, I think another brilliant adaptation is required. Nolan: GIVE US PALAHNIUK'S 'RANT,' PLEASE!
Of course it's bullshit by kafka07	Aug 25th, 2008 04:36:58 PM
the notion is just too retarded. Plus the rumor started in one of those British rags, which seem to have a reputation of making up bullshit like this. Just as crazy is the fact that fans are even reacting to it at all when it should be ignored. Chris Nolan hasn't even said yet that he would return to direct a third film, so I'm sure there are no concrete story ideas yet. I would like to to see Two Face return, and Reaper and Black Mask make appearances too. I'm not interested in Catwoman, Riddler or Penguin and I don't think the Nolans are either.
Hey Telegraph! by Cory849	Aug 25th, 2008 04:37:04 PM
This Just In: Christian Bale fired from Batman 3 after shoving match with his mum and sis. Replacing him in the shoes of the legendary caped crusader will be famed funny-man Verne Troyer. The Joker is set to return and will be played by Heath Ledger's head on a stick.
Children of Men by TheMcflyFarm	Aug 25th, 2008 04:37:31 PM
OVERRATED CRAP
Hilarious Rumor! by fiester	Aug 25th, 2008 04:40:17 PM
Especially since Cher is pushing 70 years old.
BATMAN 3 will HAPPEN...and it has too.. by hoorayforeric	Aug 25th, 2008 04:40:30 PM
...to be with Nolan! Batman 3 will come out because Dark Knight made $500 million dollars and probably more as it runs out. WB will make sure it gets made...might as well have Nolan and Goyer helm and finish the job...rather than have studio execs ruin the whole thing!! Either way it's gonna be made! I'd rather see it get made by the same crew than get fucked up by the execs. Nolan will make it, as well...just so his series doesn't end up ruining his whole body of incredible work and storylines he developed. Besides...he left it open for more. As for the villians...Catwoman stinks...she brings nothing. She's been tried twice and only provided a hot chick in leather..which isn't bad to look at...but sucks to watch in action. There will be a Batman 3...and even if not as good as TDK...Nolan and co. and make it great in its own right.
Cher as Catwoman is like STAR WARS!!! by The Biomind	Aug 25th, 2008 04:41:14 PM
Catwoman (Cher) to Batman (Christian Bale): "Bruce, I am your mother!" Cher is 68 years old, for god's sake.
Can't believe nobody has mentioned him... by coconutgroves	Aug 25th, 2008 04:43:41 PM
Ryan Gossling - excellent actor with a wide range (like Ledger). Him as the Riddler with a twist and turn plot like the Prestige and we have a winner. Penguin and Catwomen are too contrived and narrow... Bring back Dent with the Riddler.
OMFG Hillary Clinton confirmed as Catwoman! by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 25th, 2008 04:44:52 PM
John McCain confirmed as crazy old codger #3! and Children of Men rocked!
I do have faith TomHooliagn.. by JediRob	Aug 25th, 2008 04:45:06 PM
it is just such a tough act to follow. What an unenviable task. I of course await a sequel with baited breath as much as everyone.
Cher should play Clayface by RobertBaron	Aug 25th, 2008 04:46:36 PM
there, i said it
"It'll protect you from cats" by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Aug 25th, 2008 04:46:43 PM
Did anyone catch the scene in TDK where Christian Bale asks Morgan Freeman if the new suit will protect him from dogs, and Freeman (with a knowing smile says something like "It'll protect you from cats". Was that a teasing joke from the Nolans? Marion Cotillard for Catwoman.
I May Be The Only Fellow Who Hasn't Seen TDK by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom	Aug 25th, 2008 04:48:34 PM
One wonders if I am alone in not yet having had the chance to watch The Dark Knight!
The late Sony Bono as... by m.dung	Aug 25th, 2008 04:49:14 PM
Egghead - come on - you know it'll work!
Ryan Gosling would be a marvelous Riddler by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom	Aug 25th, 2008 04:49:30 PM
Bravo to the fellow above me who suggested this.
actually could work.... by sonnyhooper	Aug 25th, 2008 04:49:52 PM
.....if they do a panel for panel remake of "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" and fast forward everything about 30 years. thats just about the only thing that MIGHT top TDK, is to just go for the total bugnuts "final chapter" of batman and film frank millers comic from 1986.
Terry O'Quinn as the Penguin by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 04:50:22 PM
How bad ass is that? HOW BAD ASS IS THAT?!?!?
Jeremy Irons as Hugo Strange. by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Aug 25th, 2008 04:50:53 PM
I have NO idea where that came from.
CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN!!! by HoboCode	Aug 25th, 2008 04:52:03 PM
Pull my finger.
More DARK KNIGHT, maybe like Jack Bauer! by LoneGun	Aug 25th, 2008 04:52:05 PM
Even if Christopher Nolan doesn't make another Batman film, he'll have made a great contribution to the Batman franchise and cinema in general. If he does make another one, I imagine it working as a stand-alone, just the way the first two did. Still, he could always bring back villains from the first films - the League of Shadows or the Joker. They could also have Batman take on contemporary terrorists, like on the TV show 24.
No Catwoman please! by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 04:52:37 PM
It will just get silly, Halle Berry ruined the character. Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin could world work, Johnny Depp as a "Zodiac"-type Riddler might be really bas ass if done right. I think Rashida Jones would be a great Lois Lane, maybe it's just me.
Natalie Dormer! (Anne Boleyn on The Tudors) by Sherman_Lives	Aug 25th, 2008 04:53:18 PM
She looks like a damn cat already! http://tinyurl.com/5gbk2o
Fawst... by Elemeno Pee	Aug 25th, 2008 04:55:57 PM
Nolan doing Rant is a great idea!
she would have been kitten great 30 years ago by pipergates	Aug 25th, 2008 04:56:03 PM
meow
bugnuts, bugfuck, fuckbug by Kloipy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:56:09 PM
can me please put a moratorium on these lame phrases. Seriously, it was alright once in awhile. But not everything is bugfucknutslickingfucktastical fuckinbugbugretardedbugnuts
Do you beee-reeeeeeeve in row id ga blargh by smackfu	Aug 25th, 2008 04:56:11 PM

hmmmm by macheesmo3	Aug 25th, 2008 04:56:28 PM
Catwoman would just suck . Seems best to take one of the lesser known villians and turn them into ruthless crime lord as already said . Unless you want to go serial killer with the Riddler . Anything else and it would suck. ( serial killer riddler would prolly suck ) I am of the opinion that the Nolan's ( if they choose to do a 3rd film ) will at least put out something at the level of the first one and surprise us with interesting and realistic brutality and nihilistic villian.
Fuck Mr. Freeze by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 04:56:54 PM

Rosie O'Donnell as Catwoman!!! by DarthBakpao	Aug 25th, 2008 04:57:12 PM

Philip Seymour Hoffman as Catwoman?.... by FlickaPoo	Aug 25th, 2008 04:57:16 PM

Hugh Laurie as Riddler. End of story. by smackfu	Aug 25th, 2008 04:57:24 PM

oh and The Ghost of Anne Ramsey as Catwoman by Kloipy	Aug 25th, 2008 04:57:39 PM
that'll do pig
'sides, everyone knows that the villians in Batman 3 wil be... by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 04:58:40 PM
...Christian Bale's Mother and sister.
EVA GREEN IS CATWOMAN by eXcommunicated	Aug 25th, 2008 04:59:05 PM
I said the moment I walked out of the theater seeing the midnight showing of TDK.
Shawn Johnson as Batgirl by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 04:59:21 PM
Too young?
Cher has lived all 9 of her cats lives. by V'Shael	Aug 25th, 2008 04:59:57 PM
She is OLD. Mind you, she was still considered old when she did that "Turn back time" video. And I'd have hit it.
They say that "in the dark...all cats are gray"... by FlickaPoo	Aug 25th, 2008 05:00:24 PM
...well, I heard someone say that once.
shut up with this no sequel shit by SpawnofAchilles	Aug 25th, 2008 05:00:44 PM
are you fuckers kidding me? BB and TDK were both awesome, why for fuck's sake would you not want a third? Because it can't be better then TDK? first of all that's false, DK is awesome but the second time I saw it I was bored for decent portions of the film, it's too long and the third act is weak (this has all been said before) so its by no means perfect at all, just really, really good. That can be topped, and even if it cant, a third film will still be better (if nolan returns to direct anyway) then 95% of what else is out there and 99% of the genre. If Nolan directs there is no possibility for a colossal failure on par with SM3(raimi is tired of the franchise, as is tobey and it showed, plus the whole venom fiasco) and X3 (brett ratner anyone?) so enough with the no third batman film, it's idiotic and baseless
Flicka by Kloipy	Aug 25th, 2008 05:01:03 PM
did that person happen to have urine stained pants?
"Dark Knight" is tough act to follow by The Reluctant Austinite	Aug 25th, 2008 05:01:20 PM
I was one of those people that didn't get Heath Ledger as the Joker until I saw the first trailer when I realised Christopher Nolan must have seen something in his auditions that the rest of us had never seen him do. It turned out to be inspired casting. Johnny Depp is a brilliant actor, but unlike Ledger who had never really shown us his true A game until "Dark Knight," Depp has been giving one amazing performance after another for the last 10 years, and won't likely be able to surprise everyone with a shockingly original performance like he did in the first "Pirates" film. I think the only way to portray the Riddler in Nolan's universe is to draw inspiration from the Zodiac killer and make him a serial killer who enjoys sending cryptic messages and ciphers to the cops to taunt them. Depp has created a romantic screen image for himself that he would need to totally abandon to sell this. As far as Cher goes, wow, I would have never thought of her in a million years. I almost feel sorry for the film makers who have to try to top "Dark Knight." Look what happened to "Spider-man 3."
V'Shael by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:01:30 PM
Be honest, youd still it.
Maybe... by SunTzu77	Aug 25th, 2008 05:02:12 PM
They meant a cat lady? Not Catwoman. You know...one of those old ladies that has 200 cats? Seriously, who thinks Cher would be a great Catwoman? Jon Peters? She's a talented woman...but not for this. Eva Green is one good idea.
Helena Bonham Carter as Catwoman, duh... by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 05:02:35 PM

^hit by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:02:45 PM

Re: Helana Boneham Carter as Cat Woman... by Rameses	Aug 25th, 2008 05:02:48 PM
She's never occured to me as the most obvious choice , but know the thought of her in a vinyl cat suit seems so perfect!
If they do Miller's Dark Knight Returns by OQuaTanginWann	Aug 25th, 2008 05:03:08 PM
Cher is perfect because Selina is really old and busted looking in that version of the future.
Bob Hoskins as Penguin by Alonzo Mosely	Aug 25th, 2008 05:03:26 PM
I know it has been mentioned already, but seriously, Hoskins in full 'I'll rip your fucking face off' mode would make me happy. Keep him British, and tie him in to Alfred, so we can get some old school Hoskins and Caine onscreen time.
Missi Pyle as Catwoman! by Doc_Hudson	Aug 25th, 2008 05:03:36 PM
Purrrfect!
Ryan Gosling.. by Harold-Sherbort	Aug 25th, 2008 05:03:37 PM
.as the Riddler is an excellent choice! If they end up doing Catwoman as the next villian though, may I nominate Jenna Fischer. I know it sounds goofy, but I think she would be perfect. Or Eva Green. Or Monica Belluci...fuck.
Brian Poshen is The Penguin by Kloipy	Aug 25th, 2008 05:03:44 PM

Watch Charlize Theron in Æon Flux by zooch	Aug 25th, 2008 05:03:52 PM
and tell she's not PERFECT for Catwomen.
John McCain as Penguin by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:04:20 PM
He's already got the complextion.
Kloipy...didn't see any stains, but there was a... by FlickaPoo	Aug 25th, 2008 05:04:30 PM
...definite odor...
Cher as Catwoman? Hell yes! by Geekgasm	Aug 25th, 2008 05:04:40 PM
That'll fit perfectly with Robinov's plan to explore everything "dark" and "evil" within the DC Universe.
Cher can just wear that outfit from the "turn back time" video by Kloipy	Aug 25th, 2008 05:05:32 PM
it will be as horrifying as Two Face
Zooey Deschanel will be Catwoman by BadMrWonka	Aug 25th, 2008 05:05:57 PM
mark my words...it will happen. 3:05pm, Aug. 25th, Wonka called it...
John McCain As The Guy Who Lost In 2008 by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 05:06:48 PM
It was the role he was born to play! ALSO-RAN-MAN!
Why are the wisest sages the one's with Odors? by Kloipy	Aug 25th, 2008 05:07:03 PM
is it indicitive of their potent wisdom?
Not Catwoman, Cat-Lady! New Villian by br1947	Aug 25th, 2008 05:07:21 PM
Controls vast legions of mangy cats that all somehow live under her couch.
Hey Marion Cotillard and Eva Green are 2 great by SID 8.0	Aug 25th, 2008 05:07:23 PM
choices. Hadn't even thought about them. Nice work to the above TBers. Rhona Mitra or Kate Beckinsale for Talia Al Ghul. How cool would that be, some hot ass woman walking up to Bruce at a party. Then dropping the one- two punch of knowing who he is and that he killed her father. Someone else said Ryan Gosling for Riddler. If Depp can't do it he'd be a great choice.
Good call Wonka by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:07:48 PM
Zooey in tight clothing, yes!
will someone please curse Michael Bay for this article? by darwinmayflower	Aug 25th, 2008 05:08:13 PM

Eva Green Is The Only Choice by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 05:08:34 PM
I'm going to keep typing it until they hire her.
"A Studio Executive says..." by supertoyslast	Aug 25th, 2008 05:08:41 PM
Don't newspapers know that readers are intelligent enough never to believe any story with an unnamed source?
I dont know... by Underdogthe3rd	Aug 25th, 2008 05:08:49 PM
... Can we all agree that Script Girl is a total bullshit too? Quid pro Quo.
and I second Dick Bahls Jr's suggestion!!! by br1947	Aug 25th, 2008 05:08:57 PM
Megan Fox / Angelina Jolie sammich might just be the hottest and freakiest thing ever put to film.
Sasha Grey as Catwoman! by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 05:09:03 PM
"Gritty realism"
QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD! by cantankerous	Aug 25th, 2008 05:09:29 PM
Nolan just made the quintessential Batman movie. He can not top it. Please God, let a filmmaker see the light and go out on top, with pockets filled with cash and satisfied fans everywhere. We don’t need another Return of the Jedi or Aliens3… Really… We don’t.
Helena Bonham Carter, Eva Green and Monica... by FlickaPoo	Aug 25th, 2008 05:11:17 PM
...Bellucci should ALL be Catwoman. Then they should fight (severely damaging and ripping each other's latex and leather cat outfit) until only one Catwoman prevails and the other two have to submit to the will of the winning Catwoman and do EVERYTHING she says. I think we can all agree on this.
Best 3rd sequels???? by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:11:40 PM
Jedi, Rocky III, Thunderdome, that's all I got.
They hinted at Catwoman in TDK by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:13:52 PM
When Alfred gives Batman his new armor he says something like "it could protect you from a large cat."
Re: The Ape Giggins by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 05:15:37 PM
Oohh, good call!
Isn't Bob Hoskins like 80? by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:15:58 PM

well cliffhangers are no fun by Bouncy X	Aug 25th, 2008 05:17:04 PM
so they need a 3rd...batman being on the run isnt an ending.
Eva Green is Harley Quinn, not Catwoman by caruso_stalker217	Aug 25th, 2008 05:17:13 PM
Get a clue, people.
Confirmed: Hulk Hogan to play Bane. by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 05:18:44 PM

Danny DeVito as Bane by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:19:18 PM
It's just as dumb as some of the ideas on here.
heath ledger as the joker by sokitome	Aug 25th, 2008 05:19:26 PM
I totally hated Heath Ledger as an actor. He really rubbed me the wrong way. That being said, his Joker totally proved me wrong as far as his acting abilities are concerned. I thought he was GREAT as the joker, but I don't think the huge success of TDK was all his. I really have to give props to the writers and to NOLAN for a fantastic plotting and direction. This is what I think truly made TDK great! I think as cast a true actor as opposed to a movie star as the next villain, NOLAN can crank out something really great!
Batman 3 needs Riddler by DarthBakpao	Aug 25th, 2008 05:21:10 PM
Make it a mystery solving movie with a lot of twists and turns
last sentence by sokitome	Aug 25th, 2008 05:22:03 PM
Sorry that last sentence should read: "I think if THEY CAST a true actor"
Bridget the Midget = Catwoman by caruso_stalker217	Aug 25th, 2008 05:22:16 PM

How about RYAN GOSLING as The Riddler?? by Joel Fleischman	Aug 25th, 2008 05:23:25 PM
He'd be great, and it would keep in line with Nolan's casting younger, edgier A-list actors. Gosling would own.
Michelle Obama is hotter than McCains first wife... by BackRiverCatfish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:24:27 PM
...you know the one he dumped for the drug-addled Stepford Wife.
Johnny Depp as the Joker. by Rolling_Stone	Aug 25th, 2008 05:24:40 PM

Catwoman? Easy... by knobjockey	Aug 25th, 2008 05:25:05 PM
No choice really, it would have to be the hands-down sexiest, hottest actress on the planet right now - or any timereally, Anne Hathaway. Come on, she's got the chops (acting and karate) she's drop ead gorgeous, has a wicked smile (like the real Selina) and would just melt into the leather. And Nolan, being Nolan, would go for something totally diffeent by wa of costume - what a blast that would be. Come on guys, get Photoshopping
I can see William Shatner as the Penguin... by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:25:16 PM
...just sayin'.
Steve Buscemi as The Mad Hatter by Heckles	Aug 25th, 2008 05:28:15 PM
Excellent SNL sketch, btw.
Megan Fox and Angelina Jolie... by ebonic_plague	Aug 25th, 2008 05:28:37 PM
The most likely result of that pairing is a new drug resistant form of syphilis and a spike in US Weekly sales.
"And Nolan, being Nolan, would go for something totally diffeent by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:28:44 PM
Yeah, like having actual dead cats pasted onto her body..."There's your Catwoman everyone! Geddit?"
Recast? Why Not! by Frisbeetarian	Aug 25th, 2008 05:29:06 PM
Let's look back. Batman has been recast several times. As has the Joker. Why not do it again? Now, I know the main argument is "It's such an iconic performance, would be impossible to duplicate." and I agree. So don't duplicate it. Take advantage of the ground work already laid out in the comics. Take advantage of the theory that Joker develops and all new personality and look every few years. Pick a new actor, and not just because they have longish hair and a similar look to Heath (Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Johnny Depp. This is why we're not casting directors). Let the filmmakers find someone who THEY think can handle the role. Just like they did 2 years ago and half the internet got their panties up their ass because Nicholson was IRREPLACEABLE and this was a TRAVESTY and it was going to be Brokeback Mountain 2. "lol fags". Just don't rule out the idea, because when it comes to another movie, I think it's necessary that Joker be there, and that isn't just the fanboy in me talking, it just makes sense.
EVA "Catwoman" GREEN = ONLY CHOICE FOR CATWOMAN by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 05:29:10 PM
Only choice!
hahahahah by Wrecks	Aug 25th, 2008 05:31:44 PM
retarded!
slow news day is it? by cottonheadedninnymuggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:33:34 PM
a source in the "Tory" graph? come on do me a flavour, you cant trust those cunts to get the weather report right. as for batman 3? Harvey 2 face really should of been his own movie in my opinion. End the dark knight with the joker doing his impression of a dog in the back of a squad car then add on the jokers "hospital room visit" at the closing titles and you've got the comic book equivelent of empire strikes back... whats most likely? Joker and scarecrow to become "best pals"(ahem, I use the term loosely) in arkham asylum?
Aliens3 by misnomer	Aug 25th, 2008 05:35:29 PM
It was fucking ALIEN 3. No plural. 'Aliens' is actually the odd one out when you think about it. The only reason people dont like it is because they wanted Aliens part 2 which would have been alot worse. I like Alien 3, but..yeah there are few good thirds. Die Hard 3, IJATLC...but thats pretty much it. I also agree that Nolan will not be able to top TDK.
Recasting Is Possible, But... by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 05:37:14 PM
His role should be small in the next film, if at all. More of a "Demon Behind the Glass" like Hannibal Lector in Silence of the Lambs. You know who could do it? DANIEL DAY LEWIS. He's the prophet, he's the smart one, REEEEECASSSSSTING! Recasting, you boy... He looks a lot different, but I think they could pull it off. A morphing Joker fits his demonic personality. I dunno, though, who else? Depp is too zany, he couldn't do it. Anyways, theres something supernaturally evil about the Joker in TDK even though Nolan's world is firmly rooted in grim reality, there is something superhuman about the Joker in that film... PLus Ledger fucking STEALS the whole movie. He ruled as the Joker. Whoever steps up, if anyone, those are gonna be hard boots to fill...
If I hear one more suggestion for DDL as Joker... by caruso_stalker217	Aug 25th, 2008 05:38:48 PM
...I am going to shit a hole right through my pants.
Cause Black Leather And Vinyl Catwoman Is Hot! by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 05:40:26 PM
If you think that is gay, YOU are gay, cause she is the one and only good thing about any of those awful Batman movies from the 90s. Michelle Pffiefer is fucking SCRUMPTIOUS in that. Instant geek hard-on. Nolan's Catwoman would be more cat-burgler-y, I's sure. More rooted in reality, using real world equipment fetished up a bit. Comics being, really, at their core, ALL ABOUT FETISH.
DANIEL DAY LEWIS AS JOKER!!! EVA GREEN AS CATWOMAN!!! by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 05:41:08 PM
Feel free to shit your pants Caruso.
Jake Gyllenhaal as the joker! by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:41:09 PM
I'm going for irony here people!
Don't do a third one... by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 25th, 2008 05:41:53 PM
Two great films, a third one is unnecessary. The Joker's line about him and Batman "doing this forever" is great closure to the two films. And a third film would have to ignore the Joker due to Ledger's sad death. Hopefully Nolan will realise that the only reason to do a third one is money and gracefully pass. Then Warner can hire a hack a la Joel Schumacher and ruin the series all over again, thus making us appreciate the first two even more.
LaserPants by caruso_stalker217	Aug 25th, 2008 05:43:09 PM
I anticipated this move and took the liberty of shitting my pants several minutes ago.
Charlize Theron as Poison Ivy by Malicoire	Aug 25th, 2008 05:43:58 PM
http://i34.tinypic.com/2ymu992 .jpg
Casting Catwoman? by TheBuffalo	Aug 25th, 2008 05:44:19 PM
I can't think of anyone else but Harvey Fierstein. Other than that, the entire story is just a cheap trick to get people talking again and sell more seats.
is it april 1st already? by palewook	Aug 25th, 2008 05:44:43 PM
And yes this is bullshit. Nolan isn't on board yet for another Batman. So there is no casting atm.
Re: Good third movie impossible!!! by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 05:44:59 PM
I don't understand this stance, aren't comic book movies ideal for multiple sequels because of their villian-centric plots and endless source material? Star Wars, Alien, Terminator, etc. had unified plots that didn't necessarily benefit from multiple sequels. Batman is like James Bond: new villian, new movie, very little running plot. If Nolan is willing to direct and the writing stays strong, there's nothing to keep Batman from becoming a Bond-like franchise, IMO.
I apologize sincerely by harryflashman	Aug 25th, 2008 05:46:22 PM
for being a complete wanker and forwarding the telegraph link to the site. Clearly their entertainment section and therefore those reporters that write for that section are talentless and disingenuous hacks. it's a good paper other than that though (in my opinion)
Batman 3 should be Se7en but with the Riddler as the John Doe ch by Kizeesh	Aug 25th, 2008 05:46:59 PM
it's the only way it'll work. Catwoman, penguin and other comicy characters won't work, they've done the joker so anything like that will just seem gimmicky. Making the Riddler a Zodiac style serial killer will add the Batman as Detective idea brilliantly, while keeping an insane riddling riddler as a plausible Villain. Robin should NOT appear, ever, and Bats should also die at the end. I HAVE SPOKEN!
Even though Cher looks 40. Isn't she 70? by Orionsangels	Aug 25th, 2008 05:47:25 PM

The Telegraph also gave us this one by Hercules	Aug 25th, 2008 05:48:53 PM
aintitcool.com/node/37833
re: Anna Faris by Logan-X	Aug 25th, 2008 05:49:59 PM
Anna Faris wouldn't really work as Catwoman, BUT, she would make one hell of a Black Cat in the Spider-Man franchise.
No No No, It's Cher as "Crazy Old Cat Lady" by kdoc13	Aug 25th, 2008 05:50:15 PM
She'll be in the apartment just below Wayne's Penthouse, and Batman will have to fight off the stench of Ben Gay Ointment and urine from over 200 cats. Who wouldn't pay to see that!
Herc by harryflashman	Aug 25th, 2008 05:51:05 PM
appreciate that. thanks. I dont feel quite as much of a wanker now.
Riddler... by manny2121	Aug 25th, 2008 05:51:10 PM
Johnny Depp is the only actor capable of ATLEAST matching what Ledger did in Knight. Who knows, with an actor of that calibre, the team they have behind the lens and the cast to feed off of, Johnny Depp may bring something to the table that may match the Dark Knight. Whatever they decide, it is damn near impossible to top the second film, so just try match it. And if you don't get me quite yet, third film=Riddler, Riddler=Depp. Nuff said
How you can top TDK by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:53:26 PM
Just go totally for broke...introduce a brand new villian that just tears up Gotham City and leaves behind huge body counts. Move the Joker more behind the scenes and use him very sparingly, whoever said that above was right on. Just keep building the action higher and higher and then at the end, have Batman/Bruce die while stopping the villian. Basicly, break all the rules and make it so NO ONE is safe. That's how I would do it.
Kizeesh by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:55:34 PM
Posted before I read your post, I agree about having Batman die
I felt the same way when I first saw the Beetlejuker by Immortal_Fish	Aug 25th, 2008 05:55:40 PM
First, perspective -- I personally didn't like BB and didn't see anything starring Ledger where he rocked my socks. The first few leaked pics of him betrayed a hungry for Chef Boy-Ar-Dee look that did nothing to quell my concerns. Despite this, TDK -- and Ledger -- has more than lived up to the hype. My gut reaction is that Cher was too old to play this character when Michelle Pfeiffer was cracking the whip. Now, I have no stake in Nolan since he's 1 for 1 with me on the Batman mythos. While I didn't care for BB, his interpretations of the Gotham's villains have been satisfying thus far. I'm intrigued to see where he's going with this. But then, this is likely all bullshit floated our way just to gauge the fan base's reaction. I mean -- Nolan has leaned heavily toward the angle of realism. Does he honestly think we'd buy into master catburglar by night, senior citizen by day? Even if the suits believe it bankable, would Cher even agree do it? I doubt it. in my humble opinion -- Dina Meyer, Dina Meyer, Dina Meyer, DINA MEYER!!!
SCARFACE! (and Phillip Hoffman as da dummy holdin 'im) by Circean6	Aug 25th, 2008 05:55:59 PM
People keep mentioning Hoffman as Cobblepot but I'd rather see him as the nervous keeper for Scarface with some creepy old wood-rotted gangster dummy machine-gunning people screaming "I'm da gig goss!!!" I'd also like to see Bane done as he was orginally intended (an evil Doc Savage)not a goon but maybe a mercenary brought in by the gotham underworld (or maybe Gotham's own goverment)and he brings his whole team of freakish yet capable henchman. No Catwoman, though, please no, the second she shows up the movie becomes all about her and trying to spin her off, so please God of Brothers Warner leave her out....amen.
matt damon by aquateenhungerbomb	Aug 25th, 2008 05:56:08 PM
for zodiac/talented mr. ripley style riddler.
Joker is coming back! by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 05:57:05 PM
I'm sure we'll see a catwoman pop up in the Bat film, but it is amazing how many people just assume the joker died with Ledger. Yes it was a great performance, but if Nolan and company are going to go to such pains to recast Rachel Dawes and not simply write her out after losing Katie Holmes why in God's name would he dismiss batman's single biggest antagonist. I read an interveiw with Nolan before BB even came out where he said the single biggest mistake of many which the Burton films made was killing off the Joker. It may be a while so that it wont be seen as insensitive but The Joker will be back!
Eva Green as Talia al Ghul by performingmonkey	Aug 25th, 2008 05:58:58 PM
That would be an EXCELLENT piece of casting. Of course, her character wouldn't be called Talia al Ghul, maybe Talia something-else but the fans would know it was her, then the bombshell is dropped. Bruce falls for the daughter of his dead ex-mentor. She's out for revenge on Bruce and wants to destroy the whole of Gotham.
Here's a thought I just had... by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 05:59:37 PM
Maybe in batman 3 Bale could play BOTH Batman and Joker...I bet he could pull it off
Mike Meyers as Cat In The Hat Man! by Iowa Snot Client	Aug 25th, 2008 06:00:37 PM
Meyers reprises his role, Batman beats the shit out of him, I happily pay my ten bucks.
I like the Eva Green thing. by salamimansam	Aug 25th, 2008 06:05:13 PM
She is unconventional and compelling, like most of the casting thus far. But come one people, we know who the next villain is going to be:
Cher was the early rumored casting by jinX	Aug 25th, 2008 06:06:24 PM
Back after the first Burton/Keaton BATMAN movie...along with DeNiro as The Riddler.
Cher was born in 1946 by jccalhoun	Aug 25th, 2008 06:06:43 PM
There's no way she is athletic enough at her age to be a normal Catwoman. If she plays some old senior citizen crime boss then maybe they could pull it off.
Isn't Cher a guy now? by Autobot Optimus Prime	Aug 25th, 2008 06:07:03 PM
I thought she had a sex change operation sometime between the time she wore the giant 'V' up her crotch on that Navy boat and the time when Sonny skied into a tree? Hey maybe she could play Mr. Freeze(dried.)
LaserPants...how about this compromise?.... by FlickaPoo	Aug 25th, 2008 06:08:32 PM
...I appreciate your passion. We implement my plan posted above: "Helena Bonham Carter, Eva Green and Monica Bellucci should ALL be Catwoman. Then they should fight (severely damaging and ripping each other's latex and leather cat outfit) until only one Catwoman prevails and the other two have to submit to the will of the winning Catwoman and do EVERYTHING she says. I think we can all agree on this." Then, if you like, Eva Green can be the top Catwoman...telling the other two what to do and whipping them. Not a lot of whipping, just a little bit.
Does anyone remember... by The Ape Giggins	Aug 25th, 2008 06:10:31 PM
...back in the 90's there were rumors that Bette Midler was going to play the "Joker's wife" in a Batman sequel? I can't remember if that was the movie that became Batman and Robin or a sequel after that one that was never made. Does anyone else remember that?
DK didn't end opening ended? by WickedJester	Aug 25th, 2008 06:12:17 PM
Umm, did you not see the same movie I saw, theyreflockingthisway? Pretty sure Batman had just become public enemy #1, Two-Face may or may not have been dead and the Joker was just left hanging (literally). I don't think there could've been anymore 'open-ended-ness'...
Open** ended Long friggin day... by WickedJester	Aug 25th, 2008 06:12:53 PM

There is only one man for the pengiun . . . by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:14:20 PM
. . . I mean Dick Cheney will need work soon enough
They couldn't even start a cool rumor? by phaedrus007	Aug 25th, 2008 06:14:31 PM

Amy Winehouse as Poison Ivy. by otm shank	Aug 25th, 2008 06:14:54 PM
That's a re-imagining!:)
First of all... by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:16:28 PM
Two-Face is not dead!
Andy Dick as Andy Dick by Iowa Snot Client	Aug 25th, 2008 06:16:51 PM
I just saw "Dark Knight" Friday and loved it, so this is not a dig... but from his first line I swore Heath was lifting Andy Dick's "Boingo" character (the bad bunny... oops, SPOILER!) from "Hoodwinked." Seriously, you could intercut their lines and not notice.
Remember, BrannigansLaw schooled you first... by BrannigansLaw	Aug 25th, 2008 06:17:34 PM
Anne Hathaway, Eva Green, Helena Bonham Carter, etc? You're all barking up the wrong tree. If there will be a Catwoman in BIII, it will be... wait for it... Emily Blunt You heard it first from BrannigansLaw!
Warwick Davis as Penguin! by TheNorthlander	Aug 25th, 2008 06:18:14 PM
Why isn't anyone else saying this?
INARA!!! by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:18:21 PM
I know im not alone in thinking Morena Baccarin of Firefly fame would be perfect(although a little low rent for nolan's seeming taste)
Second, by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:19:11 PM
I agree that Riddler as a Zodiac type killer would be awesome but they would have to be idiots not to have Two Face as the main villain instead of a 10 minute subplot.
Third, by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:20:50 PM
Nobody wants to see another Two Face/Riddler movie so they should save the Riddler as Zodiac for another installment. It all makes sense.
Resurrection Of Rā's al Ghūl by Despotellis	Aug 25th, 2008 06:21:22 PM
The appearance of the Scarecrow could suggest that Ra's had a hand in the events of TDK...
I've heard David Tennant for Riddler. by fiester	Aug 25th, 2008 06:22:08 PM
Which I like.
BwhaaaahahaHAHAHAHAHA... by ChezKing	Aug 25th, 2008 06:22:16 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA AAA!!!!
What! No Cher as Catwoman!!! by mrfan	Aug 25th, 2008 06:22:57 PM
I was hoping to get a terrific action figure of her with a kung fu grip.
I agree with RobRed1 to a degree by Maestro610	Aug 25th, 2008 06:24:00 PM
I think having someone that is the mirror opposite of Bruce Wayne is a very good idea. Instead of having The Penguin I'd prefer to see Black Mask, The Phantasm or Hush. I believe all of them were created to be Bruce Wayne mirrors. That is not to say that The Penguin couldn't be involved in a storyline like that but I feel like he'd be a lower level villain in this series.
Well if it's all about escalation... by oneragga	Aug 25th, 2008 06:26:09 PM
then an adaptation of KnightFall makes perfect sense. Bats takes responsibility for the shitstorm in TDK...goes on the run...some corrupt gotham city cocksmoker decides "Hey", let some more arkham freaks take this fucker down" So it's Bats gainst the wrold, worn down bit by bit, all while someone in the background readies a force strong enough to take him once he's broken. Make Bane some kind of fucked up, 'roided out serial killer or something, Knightfall ends like Empire...Bat broken, someone he's been training (or some such shit) takes up the mantle for him...hell, have Nolan and Goyer revamp KnightSaga along hte current cinematic storyline and kick a little more ass. I'D go!!!
the 12 people who watched veronica mars by slappy jones	Aug 25th, 2008 06:27:18 PM
sure are a loyal and loud bunch of folks.
oh and dent/two face is dead by slappy jones	Aug 25th, 2008 06:28:00 PM
its says so in the script.
If I say Judi Dench as Catwoman does that get a story too? by Anakin Whoopass	Aug 25th, 2008 06:28:46 PM
COME ON!
Would love to see a movie entitled: THE DARK SHRINER!! by mrfan	Aug 25th, 2008 06:29:14 PM

It's to soon for Knightfall by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:30:23 PM
They could damn near do the entire storyline from Dark Victory right now. For anyone that doesn't know, Two-Face resurfaces after being presumed dead and ends up controlling the mob or other villains or something.
The dream ticket by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 06:33:58 PM
Picture it, Gotham is being slowly bought out by a giant multi-faceted corporation with a creepy penguin logo. During one of it's secretly evil business dealings, Morgan Freeman's character is murdered. At night, batman is trying to uncover the murderer, while in the day is stuck filling the void of running his own company. On a rainy day, Bruce has a meeting with Oswald Cobblepot (Hoffman), the head of Penguin enterprises, to repremand him for his corporation's unfair business record. That's when Oswald, on the other end of a very long table, tells bruce in front of everyone that he knows he is Batman. That he found this out when he murdered freeman, and that Batman is now going to work for him. Before Bruce can even stand up, all of penguin's men whip out their umbrella machine guns and lay waist to everyone on the other side of the table. To save his city, Batman is forced into hunting down two of the penguin's "disgruntled" employees from his science and research division; a genious female botonist (chick from Enchanted), and the former head of the cryongenics department who fell victim to his own work (Terry O' Quinn's perfect). From there, aliances will be made and broken, etc., and Gotham will once again be the battleground blah blah. And the finale should take place in the newly renovated batcave, which will be this futuristic bad-ass, frank lloyd wright looking set of awesomeness that will forever change our perception of what the batcave is supposed to look like. there I'm done.
Dark Victory by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:34:45 PM
Even has the new D.A. as a woman who ends up being like a groupie for Two Face. She aids him through the story and then he shows his appreciation by brutally killing her. That could be a great movie.
Good point about escalation . . . by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:34:52 PM
We are all assuming one maybe two villians because of our painful memories of previous Batfilms and spidey 3; but Raimi was the one with the admitted hangups about multiple villians but Bats is all about the Rougues Gallery. Look at the seminal Batman arcs which also have a definate influence on Nolans's Batman. Long Halloween, Knightfall, Hush etc while having one antagonist are all stories with Bats confronting multiple opponents. Take the theme of escalation and have a whole city full of madmen wreaking havoc ina an enviroment created by Batman's precense is much more interesting than villians waiting their turn to attack like an extra in a Bruce Lee flick striking one at a time
Brilliant casting choise. You are all tools by Proman1984	Aug 25th, 2008 06:36:48 PM
This is somethign truly interesting.
Joe Don Baker as Clayface! by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 06:37:28 PM

boogalooshrimp by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:38:18 PM
Dude, I think you just described Batman and Robin. snicker
batch response by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 06:39:17 PM
sokitome: whilst the success for TDK is not all on Ledger, it's unrealistic not to pin a good chunk of that opening weekend on not only the hype surrounding his performance, but also his untimely death. i know it sounds callous, but it was his death that put a lot of butts in those seats in those first three days to see the movie that(due to a ton of bullshit sensationalistic reporting) many people thought contributed to his "suicide." from there the positive word of mouth due to it genuinely being an excellent film carried it to the #2 all time BO slot it holds now. misnomer: go on wikipedia and read up on Alien3. people initially hated it for not being "Aliens Part II" because that's what they were promised in the "On Earth, everyone can hear you scream" ad campaign that Fox pushed in the teasers. i agree, Alien3 was an awesome movie, and if Fox would have backed Fincher and let him do his damned job it probably would have held up admirably in the series. the problem was not that it wasn't a good film, but that it had to follow up two films that totally redefined genres(action/SciFi) when they weren't busy creating new ones(scifi/horror). Alien3 stands up as a film, but didn't really bring anything new to the series. it drastically lowered the stakes from Aliens, and took a much more intellectual route, which is exactly the opposite of how it was marketed.
Ed Harris as the Riddler... by CENOBITE	Aug 25th, 2008 06:39:36 PM
then you will have your fked up psychological horror... Seeing him in a History of Violence... yah. he'd be fckin' perfect.
Catwomen, The Riddler, Part Three by loserguy3000	Aug 25th, 2008 06:40:10 PM
Hey folks, I think its fairly obvious that Catwoman is going to be in the next chapter, as the second film couldn't have been more blatant with the 'clues'. The first was Lucius' remark that the new Bat-armor would defend not against dogs, but "against cats." D'oh! Also (and I'm assuming everyone here saw TDK), the main female lead was killed, thereby leaving a gaping hole (no pun intended) for the requisite pussycat to come out and play. Like it or not, Catwoman is perhaps the second-most popular villain(?) in the Bat-universe after the Joker, and there's no way that WB is going to let that momentum die away. As far as casting goes...who the fuck knows? AICN got the Joker so incredibly wrong its pathetic, so for all you fanboys out there thinking you 'know the perfect face', shut the fuck up. You wouldn't have guessed Ledger in a million, billion years. This is the place that suggested Crispin Glover. Crispin Fucking Glover, for god's sake...whom we all know by now sucks balls. No fucking way. Ledger was legendary, and should forever show that talent should come first over 'looks'. That said, the obvious choice on 'looks' is Jolie as Catwoman, but I'd like to see a more inspired cast. So fuck no Helen Bonham Carter or any goth-chick fantasies, please. Maybe get someone a tad less pretty and you've sold me...but I trust Nolan by now. For the record, and because I'm a total hypocrite, my vote for The Riddler is David Tennent. You know, the current Dr. Who? Besides the fact that he rocks the boat, he's already under a WB contract (he was in Harry Potter IV), and he kicks ass on the show. Plus, he replaced Chris Eccelson, who'll be playing Deastro in the upcoming GI Joe movie, so the geek circle-of-potential is definitely there. What do you think, Who fans... anyone agree? Disagree?
I saw people taking about Anna Faris by Maestro610	Aug 25th, 2008 06:43:31 PM
in other comments and I think people are missing the fact that she'd make a perfect Harley Quinn. She's funny, self deprecating, and cute so she'd make a lot of sense in that role. Again that would need a new Joker, hopefully to be played by either Johnny Depp or Paul Bettany. If someone else was going to take up the Joker mantle they could always do an homage to the Burton Batman and have him undergo plastic surgery. Whatever... Faris as Dr. Harleen Quinzel is a win.
Yes, please SCARFACE and VENTRILOQUIST (semi-spoiler) by Immortal_Fish	Aug 25th, 2008 06:43:35 PM
Yeah, I realize it's loopy on the surface, but I think it could work rather well. It fits within Nolan's established "realism" angle. Well, as realistic as a world with microwaves triggering laughing gas can be (and Gordon driving the Batmobile). Hoffman would be perfect for the role. He's not Cobblepot. I applaud you, Circean6. Lastly, doubtless BB3 (or TDK2) will be post-Watchmen, and Hoffman as Ventriloquist could be a satisfying reveal ala Watchmen's... wᷠell, you know. It's something that could be played up big-time. And considering Hoffman's love of film, I'm sure his ego wouldn't get in the way of the film. You know, where the talent demands X-amount of maskless screen time (I'm looking at you, Spider-Man 2 and Ghost Rider).
slappy jones by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 06:43:36 PM
What script are you talking about?
??????? by CENOBITE	Aug 25th, 2008 06:43:54 PM
I would like to see a twist on the Riddler. All those question marks everywhere? It's a deeprooted OCD he has that he does to keep himself focused. He needs to be drawing those things on everything. You would have an entire room filled with hand-scrawled question marks, like the spirals in Dark City.
Anna Faris as Dr. Harleen Quinzel by Immortal_Fish	Aug 25th, 2008 06:47:16 PM
Genius. Unfortunately, that's a character that can only work in comic and animated form. TV perhaps. Yet I really feel where you're coming from. Especially if she were played in a self-realized fashion, kinda like Deadpool in the comics. Yet that doesn't fit Nolan's "real feel" world that he's created.
If you are gonna have Ventriloquist . . . by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:47:35 PM

Fuck Penguin. Forget Catwoman. Daniel Day-Lewis as Riddler. by NiceGuyEddie19	Aug 25th, 2008 06:47:36 PM

Tennant? by CENOBITE	Aug 25th, 2008 06:47:48 PM
I don't know... I don't think he has exactly the depth it would take to bring something up that the character would need to make it 'real world'. He would be perfect in a direct to dvd version, but not a major undertaking. If you are talking doctors, I would pick the guy who played the doctor in the american tv show. his brief portraial of Golic in ALIEN3 was fantastic, tho brief.
If you are gonna have Ventriloquist . . . by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:48:34 PM
I say back up the brinks truck and cast Teller!!!!!
damage inc by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 06:49:08 PM
there would be a significant lack of built-in ice skates, ice-puns, evil plants, and whining. They wouldn't even go by freeze or ivy, and the closest thing to a costume would be Hoffman's monocle and top-hat, which I think he could pull off. O'Quinn and Enchanted would be far more nuanced in their evilness since they'd be the enemy of batman's enemy, but they'd still go off the deep end towards the end. what would your guys' plan be?
O'quin is cool but to me freeze should be . . . by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:51:19 PM

O'Quin is cool but to me freeze should be . . . by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:52:53 PM
Stanley Tucci; its kinda like the Ledger thing who else could step into Ahnuld's size 16 silver blacklight-lit shoes?
well look at it this way by Geekhaterssuck	Aug 25th, 2008 06:54:16 PM
No budget on the catsuit Cher's skin is already made of vinyl just paint her black and boom there ya go.
Brunomac by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 06:55:37 PM
ummmm, have you ever seen footage of Hunter S Thompson? Johnny Depp PERFECTLY recreated the individual he was playing. vocal inflections, physical mannerisms, EVERYTHING. Fear and Loathing is one of my favorites, and Depp was perfect in it.
loserguy3000 by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 06:55:52 PM
tennant would make a great riddler, good choice. but with the mind games joker was playing in TDK, they'd have to be sure to make it something fucking ingenious!
Boogalooshrimp by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 06:56:55 PM
Seriously bro you lost me at . . ."all of penguin's men whip out their umbrella machine guns and lay waist to everyone on the other side of the table." So no " built-in ice skates, ice-puns, evil plants" but we got umbrella guns? You're better than that man. We all are. Please be careful saying shit like that or you might be running a studio one day!
As revenge for the death of Lau in TDK... by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 06:57:33 PM
Unnamed Chinese crime syndicate sends Jet Li as Deathstroke to kill Batman. (Who cares if Deathstroke wasn't Chinese in the comics, Rachel Dawes wasn't ugly)
CATWOMAN HAS TO BE!!! by medicinaluser	Aug 25th, 2008 06:59:10 PM
Rachel McAdams she seems the only one to me who could pull it off, plus she kinda already looks feline freaky in my eyes.
Re: Myself by Delbert_Grady	Aug 25th, 2008 06:59:16 PM
PS - I know Rachel wasn't in the comics, but her comic equivalents.
ROGER CLEMENS AS BANE. by alice 13	Aug 25th, 2008 06:59:20 PM
barry bonds as waiting by the phone.
I now agree with the above comment! by Damage_Inc	Aug 25th, 2008 07:00:30 PM
Steve Buscemi has to be the Mad Hatter. http://tinyurl.com/6ef7jh
New Villain won't be announced until by PenguinSlide	Aug 25th, 2008 07:00:53 PM
the Oscar noms. They won't want to steal any thunder from Ledger 'till he goes all the way.
Stanley Tucci as Freeze by Immortal_Fish	Aug 25th, 2008 07:02:59 PM
Fantastic pick. Similar to Ledger, I've seen nothing this man has been to garner high praise, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of rising above it. Unlike Ledger, I've liked him in everything he's been in. And yet, considering his IMDB history, he prolly wouldn't go hungry if such a role never comes to pass.
stunt casting for villains by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 07:04:15 PM
so far nolan has cast big names in smaller roles (freeman, caine) and chosen the lower profile actors for the heavies- it won't be an obvious choice like jolie for catwoman or hoffman for the penguin
Justin Theroux or Sam Rockwell by RobertBaron	Aug 25th, 2008 07:05:46 PM
would make good villains in the Nolan-verse. I could see Theroux as a good Penguin or Riddler and Rockwell would make a good Riddler
boogalooshrimp by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 07:05:56 PM
did you ever post on IMDB as AlexDiMera, because i haven't heard shit as stupid as your posts since that little tool wrote a fanscript sequel to BB suggesting Ra's as the main villain, Scarecrow in full costume with Flass as a henchmen, "Talia Head" as the main romantic interest, and a full backstory for the Joker. seriously, none of what you've written comes close to the Nolan tone in any way, shape, or form. what you're suggesting is taking the tone of BTAS and making it dark for darkness sake. there's a reason you're not a professional screenwriter, now kindly fuck off. and to respond to the inevitable and utterly meaningless "so what's you're plan?": hope like hell that WB has the good goddamned sense to let Nolan do another non-Batman movie in between sequels, and pay him whatever the fuck they have to to get him on board to finish the trilogy. after that, i plan to support whatever the hell decisions Nolan makes. plan B is to decry the whole franchise if they try to rush part three and kick Nolan off.
Has TDK been so over-discussed by theredtoad	Aug 25th, 2008 07:07:08 PM
that we have nothing better to do than pander to obviously bogus sequel rumors? HUH, AICN?
theredtoad by follyway	Aug 25th, 2008 07:08:03 PM
YES
Al Pacino said it best in HEAT... by Six Demon Bag	Aug 25th, 2008 07:09:15 PM
Don't Waste My Muthafuckin' Time!!!
Catwomen... by manny2121	Aug 25th, 2008 07:10:09 PM
Catwomen...what kind of villian could we see ON screen if they decided to use her? Obviously a love interest, but for who? Bruce Wayne or Batman? Can't have both, cause Brucey and Bats are treated literally as two different people in this newer, better batman world. besides all that, what kind of threat does she really pose? STD's? lol, but seriously, what? She's a jewel theif. Then again, with what Nolan has done for us has been great none the less and I would be a little disapointed if he chose to use her as a central villain. I mean, from a terrorist who believes us all to be liars and fakes to a jewel theif? What could Catwomen bring to the table...unless she fell in love with the bat ala 'Fatal Attraction' style. But who the fuck wants to see that? Oh, but for a choice of Catwomen?...Kate Beckinsale, why? She's gorgeous, can do some action scenes and has a very seductive and sexy voice, to which i think can be the opposite of bat's lucifer-like voice. Then again, i might be thinking too much into this.
Sequel to Dark Knight should be more like the Godfather or The U by zooch	Aug 25th, 2008 07:12:09 PM
Batman, on the run from the law, takes on the mob, who gets taken over by a new kingpin mob nickname "The Pequin" after he put a hit on Sal Moroni. The Penquin mostly keeps his hands clean of the brutal murder he inforces, but Nolan could build on themes he set up in the previous films, by forcing Batman to break his own rules to investigate The Penquin, by making it seem necessary to kill, spy on people, and torture in order catch the bad guy. The Penquin could be tragic character, alot like Tony Soprano, he's a little crazy, flamboyant, but he's just a man trying to live the American dream through organized crime that Gotham City created. He has a hitman too, a very effecient, very mysterious, very cold, former arykam resident simply known as "Riddler".
follyway by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 07:12:41 PM
I hear what you're saying. the shit still has to be held down in the real world, but, it also has to up the ante and get the imagery in there. An umbrella machine gun for the sake of it is full-retard. But if your plan is to kill a room full of business men and you have to sneak the guns to the top floor of Wayne tower, then there is some sort of reasoning for it. The rest of the villans are rediculous in one way or another. The trick for nolan is to find the most realistic situation that could yeild a villan as far-fetched as possible.
Ooh, that would be so dark and gritty! by Stalin vs Predator	Aug 25th, 2008 07:12:46 PM
And realistic, too. When did Catwoman debut? She has to be a grandma by now. Realism!
Two Points by marcogo	Aug 25th, 2008 07:12:55 PM
1) This rumor harkens back to frickin fall of 1989-early 1990 and also came from a UK paper, and; 2) No offense to our friends in the UK, but if a story like this is printed in a UK paper, usually it is bull-fucking-shit 99.78 percent of the time...
I'd love... by a rolling stone	Aug 25th, 2008 07:14:46 PM
Bane (Javier Bardem), Black Mask (Vincent Cassel) and Talia (Priyanka Chopra). Now that's eeeeee-ville. Cameo the Ventriliquist (Terrance Stamp) and I'd be really, really happy. Scarface always freaked me out.
I think Children Of Men was shit. by Dkev00	Aug 25th, 2008 07:16:36 PM
There's no accounting for taste.
HARRY AS PENGUIN! by br1947	Aug 25th, 2008 07:16:40 PM
I don't know why I didn't see it earlier... Actually, after the awesomeness that was Dark Knight, I don't think there really is a way to do a straight follow-up. For my money, I'd like to see a 40-years-later Batman story with Clint Eastwood as a retired, lonely, bitter, dying Bruce Wayne. Gotham is clean and peaceful, the Batman's work is done. Then a series of horrific Joker-like murders begin and someone claiming to be (and actually is) the Joker wants one last go-round with the Dark Knight. The whole thing works out in a Holmes / Moriarty chess game to the death of both. Probably the only thing that could go darker than Dark Knight. Then come back with Bale in #4
viggo mortensen as the riddler by haywood	Aug 25th, 2008 07:17:01 PM
Eastern Promises.. Viggo beats up bad guys...naked! Viggo is the Riddler. The Riddler should have riddle tats on his body from his prison time at Arkham.
NiceGuyEddie19... by Seany-Wan	Aug 25th, 2008 07:20:19 PM
Thank you for being the voice of reason and saying what I've been saying all along. Daniel Day Lewis belongs in Nolan's world. And to all of you fan boys, you say you want order in Gotham? I'm telling you, D-Day is the man. Riddle me this? Who would be better?
sequel/Catwoman/Joker re-cast by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 07:20:38 PM
look, this movie is the second highest grossing film of all time, THERE WILL BE A SEQUEL. WB is not going to sit on this franchise out of artistic integrity, they're going to get some fucking bills paid, so get over any concepts you might have of this being the last Bat-film. the good news in all of this is that that whole cast is loyal enough to Nolan that WB won't be stupid enough to try and rush part 3 without him. Oldman didn't want to do part two, and you know good and goddamned well he won't be back for anyone but Nolan. Caine, Freeman, and Bale all have stable enough careers to say "fuck this" and walk if Nolan's not brought back. this is to say nothing of the fact that any movie Nolan does in the interim will likely contain enough of the main cast to block any forward movement on Batman 3(just like Prestige). so long as the current creative team is in charge and WB continues to give total creative freedom to Nolan, we'll get a good sequel. if they start forcing shit on him he doesn't want, it will blow(Venom in SM3). i believe in Christopher Nolan, and so should you. as for Catwoman and Joker's further appearances, i repeat: i believe in Christopher Nolan. if he's still got plans in the story for Joker, then i trust him to find a replacement for Ledger, just like he did for Holmes. if he wants to use Catwoman, then that's awesome. the story's at a perfect place to introduce her character however Nolan want's to do it. that being said, i would humbly suggest the Jim Lee version as the best costume model: protective leather catsuit with goggles and a full headpiece with cat ears, all you need. and i heartily lobby for Robin, but if that's not the way he wants to go, that's fine by me, and that stands for the previous two points as well. this man has delivered the quintessential Batman origin, and the quintessential Joker movie. as a director overall he is 5/6 in my book, and that's only because i haven't seen "Following." every other movie he's made has varied from good to fucking genius. and there is nobody i trust outside of him to follow up TDK.
Viggo by manny2121	Aug 25th, 2008 07:21:20 PM
Fuck yeah, he'd be great too. BTW I never heard a rumor about Depp signing up for anything. Me and my brother just thought it would be kick-ass to see depp as the riddler and were both pre-pirates depp fans
Hey I Heard- by Pink_Loyd	Aug 25th, 2008 07:22:23 PM
That they've dug out John Candy's corpse. Apparently he's got the exact kind of physicality necessary to embody Penguin. God Bless corpse-animating CGI
and stickman grit by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 07:22:36 PM
it's called having the balls to try and think up your own shit and sharing it with like minded people.
Damn You Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Aug 25th, 2008 07:23:19 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
shut the fuck up by long live the new chris	Aug 25th, 2008 07:23:38 PM
about batman. its still in the theater
oh, and for the record by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 07:26:08 PM
whilst i disagree that Mr Freeze should EVER be used in Nolan's movies, IF somewhere in Nolan's noggin is a way to use him in the films, there is only one man to play that role, and it's Ben fucking Kingsley. you do the Heart of Ice story and he'll sign for the same reasons Echardt signed, it's a great paycheck and you get the opportunity to pull a meaty role with an actor's director.
The problem with a third is... by Neosamurai85	Aug 25th, 2008 07:30:39 PM
what villains could possibly one-up the Joker and Two-Face? I mean for this generation, those are arguably the best. Sure, Catwoman would be awesome, but after TDK I'm not sure how she could hold a film alone. This is really the same problem Spider-man had. How do you one-up Doc Oc? I mean, sure, I bet spidy fans will give me a list of better villians. After all even the Joker and Two-Face came later and slowly reached their iconic status, but if you asked a random person who Spider-man and Batman fought, hands down they would say Doctor Octopus and The Joker. I mean, I thought Two-Face was going to be dealt with more in the third one, which would have left them some room for a solid trilogy. At this point I don't really see that happening. So who is left? I love Croc, but he's the brute for another's brains. Ivy is fun and all, but too fantasy I think. Mad-Hatter is pushing it too and doesn't really work. Mr. Freeze missed his chance to shine and isn't getting another. Penguin is a great classic, but god, how would you retool him to make sense in Nolan's world? Really, there is only one villain that could go against Nolan's Batman at this point that would really scare me. If the mob and the pissed off chinese sent BANE after Batman... THAT WOULD WORK. Sure, have catwoman, maybe even make scarecrow supply Bane's drugs... but if Nolan sent the man who broke the bat after him, that would be tense. That would be a fight fans would fear, because as dark as Nolan has gone with these films, I doubt him to do ANYTHING with Bane. That's the best I can think of anyway. Even if he did go that rout, one upping TDK would be next to impossible.
Isn't Cher... by Johnny T Williams	Aug 25th, 2008 07:31:21 PM
like 200 years old?
Paul Giamatti needs to play the Penguin. by beefywhore	Aug 25th, 2008 07:33:04 PM

see stickmangrit by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 07:33:11 PM
a little more constructive!, kingsley would be bad-ass freeze. he wouldn't have to be blue or shit, he'd just be pale and filled with revenge against those who wronged him. with somthing realistic on the side involving cryogenics research.
Brunomac by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 07:33:21 PM
Hey, I was just talking about the way she looked. And she looked SMOKIN' HOT in that movie. Perfect skinny body in skintight black? Yummy! You can have a girl all fetished up and be intelligent and strong. Who says you can't? Catwoman is the very essence of fetish. Even in her comic, in which she's written as this fiercely independent woman, she's all about fetish and using her sexuality. Thats the very essence of Catwoman.
Nah, Man, CHILDREN OF MEN Is An All Time Classic by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 07:35:16 PM
It will be remembered and loved in 10 years and beyond. Its a benchmark film. Both that and PAN'S LABYRINTH.
Sean Young! by snomusic	Aug 25th, 2008 07:36:07 PM
She's already proven herself to be psycho - and if you've ever seen the scene cut from the Fatal Instinct DVD, you know she's got the moves.
BAH! by VictorVonDoom	Aug 25th, 2008 07:38:55 PM
DOOM as Catwoman! DOOM, too, must eat!
CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN!!! by Napolean Solo	Aug 25th, 2008 07:39:43 PM
Nuff said
Krusty The Clown as: Clownface by Heckles	Aug 25th, 2008 07:41:53 PM
Can't go wrong with that.
Dick Van Patten as: King Tut by Heckles	Aug 25th, 2008 07:42:44 PM
Man, I need to work for Warner Bros.
Anna Faris could pull off that Michelle Pfeiffer sexines. by samsquanch	Aug 25th, 2008 07:43:44 PM
I can see it.
Zodiac Style Serial Kiler by Fineus Fog	Aug 25th, 2008 07:43:50 PM
Is a great idea - Nolan already paid homage to Mann's "Heat" (the more times I saw TDK I realised the Ledger is VERY "Crazy' Pacino in it) why doesnt Nolan pay homage to Fincher - Zodiac is one of the most criminally underrated crime thrillers of recent years -an absolutely brilliant film, which is also technically astounding. So if they go dwo nthat road of a serial killer type Riddler why not go with Micheal C. Hall (Dexter) as Riddler. I picture him with question mark tattoos all over him (kind of like the dude in Nolan's Memento) and absolutely no sign a stupid fucking eyemask. Plus they could shave of Hall's hair - cos it would look badass and he's a ginge. You know this would work kids
CELEB VILLIANS WILL SINK THIS SERIES by richkortz	Aug 25th, 2008 07:44:30 PM
And that's why Goyer and Nolan won't go that route. Expect the unexpected.
CHer Isn't That Old. Some Part Of Her Are Only 18! by BigTuna	Aug 25th, 2008 07:46:49 PM

Cher as Catwoman was a rumor years and years ago. by wastintimejp	Aug 25th, 2008 07:48:29 PM
I remember Cher being the rumor before Michelle Pfeifer put on the suit. Why on earth do I remember rumors from 10 years ago!?!?
Superman vs. Batman by nemov	Aug 25th, 2008 07:49:31 PM
The Dark Knight leads into a perfect opportunity for a Superman vs. Batman. Superman is dispatched to Gotham to rid the city of the evil (perceived) Batman only to find that the Joker has orchestrated the whole event. Two Face (who we find out is alive) knows a secret (namely that Rachel Dawes was going to marry Harvey Dent) that will devastate Bruce Wayne. The Superman/Batman film would only work if the Joker returns. I think someone else can play the role.
Damage Inc is right! by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 07:50:44 PM
Two face is not dead. Fuck all these second rate villains (Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman) when you already have a great one to work with. Just throw in another brutal character like Black Mask and it would work.
herb by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 07:56:22 PM
if two face survived the fall, how long is supposed to live with half his face burned off? (remember this is the "realistic" batman) and while i'm thinking about it, how does he talk with only half of his lips without sounding like dick cheney?
celebs in major roles by manny2121	Aug 25th, 2008 07:57:08 PM
I don't believe celebs will ruin anything. Sure, a persons celebrity status could ruin it for us fucked up geeks, but c'mon, if the fucker can pull it off, why the hell not? I'm not saying get fucking lohan as catwomen or brad pitt as the riddler, no, fuck that, shit don't make any sense. I'm just saying IF the choice just so happens to be a celebrity, so be it, but they better do it fucking proper or there will be hell to pay, mostly in ticket sales cause word travels like crack around here. Besides the point, whos the unknowns that nolan put in the larger parts? Gylenhall as Dawes and... who else? Ledger was known up until brokeback as that 'hot' guy from ten things i hate about you and A knights tale. Cillian? Umm, did anyone remember the shitstorm of praise that 28 days later got? (I much prefer Weeks to Days myself) Unless celebrity is defined as a person who draws mainstream consumers, (Those people that read them bullshit magazines and watch ET all the time) then, whatever, I imagine Nolan would only go that route if he seriously thought they can pull it off and like i said earlier, let the man behind the camera do his thing, he's 2/2 in the batman world in my eyes.
boogalooshrimp by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 08:01:34 PM
first off, it's stickmangrit, all one word. but since reading comprehension clearly isn't a strong point of yours, i'll concede that one. now as for your ideas, let's go point by point, shall we? point me to one fucking arc of the mythos in which Penguin is a legitimate corporate mogul. ONE. i'll spoil it for you, it ain't there. he's a career criminal, through and through. he definitely styles himself as a legitimate business man, but always while engaging in the black market. as it stands in the current cannon now he's an underground arms dealer/information broker. if you're going to go for the mix of corporate/black market bad guy, there's no need to fuck with the Penguin when you've already got Black Mask on hand to perfectly fill that slot and fit perfectly in Nolan's world. second, how the fuck do you figure that a guy who's got the resources to map a whole fucking city with cell phones, a guy who obsessive-compulsively plans for EVERY fucking eventuality, doesn't have the security in place IN HIS OWN FUCKING BUILDING to spot machine guns of ANY stripe. for that matter, explain to me the mechanics of how you fit an ammo clip of remotely usable size in a fucking umbrella. furthermore, how in hell are they going to waste a boardroom full of people without half the fucking building making immediate calls to 911, let alone the instant response of security, let alone what Wayne would do to these guys in that scenario. third, Poison Ivy and Mr Freeze? seriously, short of Clayface and Man-Bat, could you go a more unrealistic route with the villains? point being, if you want to write a fanfic, by all means go for it. but if you want to present it as the "dream ticket" sequel to TDK, then you need at least follow the fucking ground rules on tone and characterization laid down by Nolan in the first two films. you want to post your shit on AICN without doing so, expect to be called out on it with no consideration given to offending your delicate sensibilities. and as for your comments about "having the balls to come up with your own ideas," i'm not a scriptwriter. i have great reading comprehension, and i'm fairly good with character analysis. when BB came out, and every tool on IMDB started spouting their theories on how Joker "ought to be done," and flooded the message boards with how bleached skin and constant jokes were essential to the character, i laid out my concept. i thought that Joker, in keeping with the overarching mythos, should be the anti-Batman. Batman is fascism, an authoritarian being who is absolutely necessary in an environment like Gotham which, to quote Denny O'Neil's novelization of Knightfall, "hasn't had an honest government since the Civil War." he is defined by his past, specifically the murder of his parents. he is dark, brooding, and tortured by his attempts to control the corruption and evil that surrounds him. by contrast, Joker is the embodiment of anarchy. he has no past, for all intents and purposes he's a force of fucking nature spat fully formed from the bowels of Gotham to act as a counterbalance to Batman. he's every bit as intelligent, resourceful, and meticulous in his planning as Batman, but where Batman acts to combat the chaos around him, Joker revels in it. he is bright, colorful, and utterly unhinged. he'll kill for nothing more than a punch-line. he is seeking to show the rest of the world the fallacy that is civilization, and show them the way to the freedom of madness. bleached skin and wide-brimmed purple hats are superfluous to the nature of the character. and point for fucking point I CALLED IT. Nolan presented every single thing i could ever want to see in the Joker. he and Ledger distilled the character down to everything i've ever loved about him, and reminded me why Joker's the best damn villain of ANY story medium. does this mean i could have done just as well with a script, given the chance? FUCK NO. i have no grasp of dramatic pacing, and i suck with dialogue. that's why i don't write scripts. i also don't play professional football, because i'm a 165 pound smoker with minimal physical coordination. i have enough problems with Rock Band guitar on hard, let alone movin a ball upfield with 200 pound gorillas ready to knock my fucking brains out. recognize your strengths and weaknesses, and act accordingly.
goddamnit i need to get a life by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 08:02:06 PM

Agreed Herb by Despotellis	Aug 25th, 2008 08:04:13 PM
Who cares about the crappy villains when Joker, Two Face and Ra's Al Ghul are still in play. And no Robin!
Casey Affleck as The Riddler by T 1000 xp professional	Aug 25th, 2008 08:07:36 PM
Even though the whole idea of Riddler is going to be tough since the Joker had a lot of the same characteristics of the Riddler. My brain doesn't function on the same wavelength as Nolan and co., so I would not be able to fathom any creative decisions for the next movie. Nevertheless, a fanboy must speak and their best bet would be to continue their intertwining storylines with their multiple villains and arcs with the Joker again(Depp is obvious but still awesome and Joseph Gordon Levitt does bear a resemblance to Ledger), and if they were to do a Penguin or Riddler, Hoffman and Casey Affleck would be godly choices. They gotta give Arkham Asylum a bigger role. That place has the potential of exploring so many themes and sides of batman.
Some ideas by Gremlin517	Aug 25th, 2008 08:07:40 PM
First thing I'm going to say is going to have some geek boys pull their hair out, but I would love to see Robin as done by Christopher Nolan. That is that I would like to see the Robin character done right, realistically, with a bad-ass kid actor--imagine that kid from the Terminator movies doing Robin--something like that. Realistic, gritty and in some ways a throwback to another age. Secondly, drop the idea of the Penguin--the Penguin was stupid even back when it was originally created and unless you can find a character who convincingly fits into a birdcage and speaks in a convincing British accent--it just shouldn't be done. Third, yeah Catwoman is okay, but do her justice, which so far with Goyer and Nolan I'm not worried about. Finally, on to the void left by Heath Ledger--who did an awesome job, but who is not, actually irreplaceable. I say go with the same type of CGI that was used on Two-Face--give us a joker that looks like what would happen if Heath Ledger's Joker had finally gone off the deep end and made himself look like the cards that he has been carrying the whole time--but as he would look if he had attempted to fuck up his face using the tools that are at his diposal--knives, machetes, cotton--that is a common mad-man who wants to become more thoroughly the character that he had already started to become. Move the Joker even further into the darkest recesses of his soul and show it to us on his face. Perhaps have him be so influenced by what he saw Harvey Dent go through that he has hired every plastic surgeon in his effort to finally become the long-chinned open mouthed Joker that we have always seen in the comics. Basically what I am saying is don't just give up the character because one very fine actor has unfortunately passed away, but rather move the character forward, convincingly and give us the continuation of his story. Make his words about he and the Batman doing this for a very long time come through...despite the reality of Mr. Ledger's passing.
My God i forgot Two-Face by T 1000 xp professional	Aug 25th, 2008 08:08:48 PM
He aint dead
Christ, slow news day much? by Harry Weinstein	Aug 25th, 2008 08:09:36 PM
This is one of those stories you guys put up because you're bored.
illegaltouching by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 08:09:55 PM
There are thousands of burn victims that still live after being horribly scarred. I can't understand how people think Dent is dead. Batman fell the exact same height and got right up. Dent was just unconscious.
Bats 3 by mrevilbreakfast	Aug 25th, 2008 08:10:44 PM
Will have Batman hiding from the cops and the world. Crime will rise again, and we get introduced to the Catwoman, who will be a master thief rather than the smash-and-grab kind that is now rife in Gotham. She may or may not be working for the Riddler, who might in fact, never be seen, but just leave his clues around for anyone who wants to find them. They'll cross Bruce Wayne one too many times and he will come out of retirement. I don't care who's cast, as long as it doesn't suck, I'll be happy.
Marion Cotillard for Catwoman! by flickchick85	Aug 25th, 2008 08:10:53 PM
Michael C. Hall for Riddler! (though if they want a movie star, Johnny Depp's the way to go. Or Guy Pearce) If they do get around to Penguin, Paul Giamatti or Phillip Seymour Hoffman sound good to me. Rachel Weisz for Talia Al Ghul! I'd love to see Daniel Day-Lewis play just about anything in this series, though I seriously doubt he ever would.
Neosamurai85 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 08:11:04 PM
two words: Black Mask. really, it's all Nolan's got left in the bag other than Penguin, and the power void left after Joker killed off half the fucking mob leaders and burned up the majority of their cash perfectly opens things up to a certain psychotic corporate tycoon with a fetish for facial torture. and Two-Face is fucking dead folks, get past that now. how the fuck are they going to convincingly keep the lid on Dent's crimes and maintain his credibility if he's in a cell in Arkham confessing to everything he did? he's gone, there's no other way to make that plot work. i agree that it sucks to an extent that the number two villain(no pun intended) next to Joker only gets one movie, but for those of you bitching about Two-Face not getting enough screen time, i'd remind you that Dent was on that screen, pre and post-scarring combined, damn near as much as Bats was.
JOLIE IS CATWOMAN OR WONDER WOMAN! by jonsnow	Aug 25th, 2008 08:13:34 PM
PLEASE CAST THIS WOMAN FOR WW OR CW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arkham Asylum by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 08:15:23 PM
Yes, I absolutely agree. We need to see more of Arkham Asylum and it's inmates. I can't believe they had the chance to show Joker, Two Face and Scarecrow all in Arkam at the same time and dropped the ball on it. They will never have that opportunity again now that Ledger is gone.
David Bowie as Cluemaster by Thrillho77	Aug 25th, 2008 08:16:12 PM
that's pretty far out, man!
two face's death by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 08:17:16 PM
i hope two face lives. 15 minutes of him wasn't enough. there's no way to know for sure, and that's been debated to death already. i say the opening shots of the next one should be him in arkham with a broken neck/back.
Really??!! by technotranceporter	Aug 25th, 2008 08:19:43 PM
I know that I am wasting my time posting this but please stop wasting ours with these bull shit articles. Did somebody out there actually read that article and say,"Hey, I bet this is totally true! She'll make a great Catwoman!" I think the 'R' word would be appropriate about now!
Gremlin517 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 08:22:38 PM
1:whilst i agree that Robin could be great in the Nolan world, and that they're in a perfect position story-wise to introduce him a-la-Dark Victory, using Eddie Furlong as an example is setting the bar awfully low, don't you think? 2: Penguin can be done perfectly fine if they stick to what he is in the comics right now. he's a ruthless arms dealer who styles himself as an aristocratic businessman. stick to that archetype and he's a great secondary villain. 3: since he can't use Gordon as an ally anymore, introducing Catwoman as an ally with some moral foibles would be a great way to approach it. 4: as for Joker, i'm sorry but NO NO NO NO NO on everything you've wrote. yes, they can recast him. they just need someone with minimal facial resemblance. the only point in TDK that i recognized Ledger as Ledger was when Gordon was with him in the interrogation room and you couldn't see the hair, and that was only because i had just seen the EW tribute cover picture of him with a shaved head earlier that day. there is no need to go to the lengths you're talking about.
Helen Bonham Carter! by chiefpapa	Aug 25th, 2008 08:23:25 PM
HA! I, chiefpapa, mentioned this in a post long long time ago. Screw this oh she can't be part of Nolan's universe, she belongs in Burton' dark gothic movies. You guys on crack?! The hell was TDK then, a friggin pixar flick? She would kick ass seven ways from Sunday as the Catwoman.
Let's just leave Goyer out of it completely this time by IndustryKiller!	Aug 25th, 2008 08:24:09 PM
Because I think time proves that the less involved he is with Batman the better the film.
The riddler should be by DojoFreak	Aug 25th, 2008 08:25:12 PM
The riddler should be Crispin Glover
Amy Winehouse as Catwoman... by morGoth	Aug 25th, 2008 08:30:17 PM
...cuz, y'know, she's already an alley cat...merrowr. The preceeding paid plug was sponsored by Tevildo, Prince of Cats.
illegaltouching by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 08:30:49 PM
Well if Warners and DC have any sense at all, they will pay Aaron Eckhardt anything he wants to return. But his back can't be broken. Come on.
Catwoman... by OptimusBob	Aug 25th, 2008 08:32:03 PM
Eliza Dushku.
Why does catwoman have to be in it? by Novaman5000	Aug 25th, 2008 08:32:28 PM
Besides I feel like she would not fit into the realistic universe Nolan has crafted, I also wish they would continue focusing on NEW villains... not ones we've seen in the last set of batman films. Pheifer IS catwoman in my opinion. Don't fuck with that. I didn't mind when they updated joker cuz i never really thought Nicholson's take was especially compelling.
stickmangrit Read Mine by zooch	Aug 25th, 2008 08:34:14 PM
It's realistic, cool villians, has themes and arcs.
I Think Its Pretty Clear Harvey Dent Is Dead by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 08:34:33 PM
Of course, they could have faked the funeral and had him put in Arkham, but to what ends? I think he's sposed to be dead.
non threatening by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 08:35:38 PM
after the joker, the peguin and the riddler are mildly threatening. can you see the riddler causing this batman more than annoyance? as a run of the mill arms dealer the penguin would be reduced to the level of the 60s tv show- just a guy yelling "get 'em, boys!" and sending waves of similarly-attired henchman at batman
Novaman5000 by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 08:36:31 PM
I agree with you, I can't imagine Nolan having a Catwoman. Especially after the fiasco that was Halle Berry. And yes, I realize Freeman said something about cats. It doesn't mean shit.
Catwoman is a female catburglar...not so far-fetched. by flickchick85	Aug 25th, 2008 08:37:17 PM
She's probably the most realistic and least-cartoonish "villain" they've got left. Though I'd hope she wouldn't be a villain at all.
LaserPants by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 08:39:48 PM
I keep hearing about this funeral scene. What is it you're talking about? I either missed it or people saw a different version than I saw.
Didn't you know?? by Tigereyes	Aug 25th, 2008 08:40:23 PM
Nolan also wants Julie Christie as Poison Ivy and Betty White as Harley Quinn. The article is bullshit. If its true I'll buy a Cher CD....and eat it.
west by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 08:40:58 PM
didn't mean that two face would be an invalid for the whole movie. the plot can take place for more than just a week or two. also, eckhart can be had for a reasonable price. he's not a bankable star.
paul giamatti as penguin. by Warcraft	Aug 25th, 2008 08:41:28 PM
make it so!
anthony hopkins as deathstroke...think about it by ChocolateJesusMan	Aug 25th, 2008 08:45:51 PM

It wouldn't work with Jolie as Catwoman by jawsfan	Aug 25th, 2008 08:45:59 PM
A good villain or villainess should be someone that you love to hate, not want to fuck. A good villain should be someone who is at least a little threatening and scary, not just someone with nice tits. Ledger worked well as Joker because we were watching an actor immerse himself in a role. We need the same for any other villain - it should be someone who can give a kick-ass performance and not someone whose name-recognition overshadows the character. Fuck, I'd vote for Laura Linney before I'd vote for Jolie. Linney is a great actress and won't be a distraction because of her va-va-voom like Jolie would.
Also, the "threat" in #3 should be Gotham's citizens. by flickchick85	Aug 25th, 2008 08:46:20 PM
You can't/shouldn't duplicate the menace of the Joker with another villain. You should just make the situation more dire for Batman himself than ever before. Make him public enemy #1, him against the world. Hunted by a city of millions. Whoever the main villain is should just be leading the charge (yep, I think the main villain should be on "the side of the people"...at least, until they get out of control). Selina Kyle should be unrelated - a distraction and temptation for Batman to say, "Fuck you, Gotham" and embrace her reckless ways. Of course, he wouldn't, but she'd make a persuasive argument. Gotham would need him in the end to save them from the monster they created, and he'd be redeemed in their eyes (and they'd be redeemed in ours). So the theme would be redemption. So Selina would have to be redeemed in Bruce's eyes before the end.
FUCK CATWOMAN & PENGUIN... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 08:52:37 PM
...I wanna see a new villain that will totally put Batman between a rock and a hard place! If you want the above, go see batman returns! This is a great franchise at the min cos you have no idea where it's going. How about a crossover with another DC hero where the agenda's are crossed (and I'm not talking about supes here!).
Angelina by Thall_Joben	Aug 25th, 2008 08:54:22 PM
Now your talking, wow.
zooch by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 08:55:17 PM
congrats zooch, you're not AS bad as boogalooshrimp, but that's about all i can give you. Penguin's not sympathetic, he's not tragic, he's a ruthless fuck, but very well dressed and meticulous in his vanity. and he's not going to be able to carry a full film by himself. both he and Riddler make great side-villains, and should be used as such. and as for all this Riddler serial killer shit, what the fuck have you all been smoking? he's a thief with an obsessive-compulsive tendency to leave cryptic and taunting clues to ridiculously intricate heists. he's a behind-the-scenes type. goddamnit, now i'm gonna open my mouth and throw out my "plan." i say pull out all the fucking stops for 3. Black Mask, Riddler, and Penguin, with Joker re-entering the mix about halfway in. Catwoman as the necessary ally since Batman's lost Gordon. TDK already proved that a 2hr45min runtime will not harm a great film, so shoot for the fucking 3&1/2 hour mark if you have to. at this point Gotham has to descend into total chaos, the stakes have to be high enough that Gotham's willing to accept Batman as a necessary evil to combat everything that's going on around him. Nolan's set up a perfect 2/3 of a trilogy: Part 1: introduce the main characters and form a cohesive stand-alone story in case it flops and you don't get the funding to finish: Batman Begins Part 2: put these characters that you've built emotional investment for in part 1 through the ringer, only to leave them in the darkest, ugliest place you logically can: The Dark Knight. Part 3: the hard part, convincingly get them back out of that spot. by the end of part three, Batman needs to operating with the same freedom as he was at the beginning of TDK. and the best way to do this is an all-out freakfest. we're already through all of the big villains, all we've got left is Black Mask and a shitload of third-tier bad guys. if it can work in the universe, throw it in there. most of these villains don't need to be big roles, so long as Nolan keeps throwing in solid actors for these minor parts(just like Micheal Jai White, Anthony C Hall, and Batmanuel in TDK) it'll do just fine. Nolan's already proved he can convincingly juggle multiple plotlines whilst keeping them all comprehensible and tying them together. now he just needs to step that up another notch.
That girl from TEETH might have the stuff to be Catwoman. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Aug 25th, 2008 08:56:19 PM

Part 4? by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 08:58:24 PM
Who says that part 3 has to redeem the Bats? Couldn't this batman bad-guy vigilante thing go on for more than 1 film?
Bane really is the only logical choice by br1947	Aug 25th, 2008 08:59:27 PM
A Riddler Zodiac-like serial killer might work, but Bane makes much more sense in the Nolan universe as a follow-up to Joker.
gotham against batman by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 09:01:08 PM
right. if the people are truly against batman, then anyone could make a name for himself by declaring war on batman. that suggests a more mainstream villain. would the citizens really rally behind a dude with question marks all over his suit?
Chris Matthews as Robin by dr sauch	Aug 25th, 2008 09:04:26 PM
Do it fatties!
dent/two face is definitely dead. its in the script. by slappy jones	Aug 25th, 2008 09:05:06 PM
It says in the script word for word "Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. Dead." That is directly from the script. He is dead.
flickchick85 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:06:03 PM
problem with that is, there's got to be villains. half the mob leadership is dead, and most of the rest of them are in jail following Harvey's RICO stunt, with the majority of their cash either in cinders or stashed away by the Joker for a rainy day fund in case his first plan didn't work out. there's an incredible power vacuum to be filled, and that'll be where the next villain comes from. and i will bet you money it'll be Black Mask, Penguin, or both. Oldman hinted at Riddler(or was just throwing out the idea that since he hadn't been used yet he could act as a stand-in for what they had planned for the Joker to do), and he'd be a great supporting villain. i agree that the initial threat should come from the citizens and the police. and i will admit that the concept of Black Mask offering a reward for whoever takes down Batman would be a fun bit of plot. but this is Batman, he's got the best damn rogue's gallery of any superhero out there, to let that go to waste because the guy who played the Joker died would be an utter travesty, and Nolan's got enough sense not to make that misstep. he'll make his Prestige-style break film, earn WB another solid chunk of change, and get to finishing what he started.
Torchwood4 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:09:16 PM
it'll be a fucking miracle if we can get Nolan for a third film, it's incredibly unrealistic to expect him for a fourth. he's stated that he does not want to keep doing these forever, and if he's going to leave i'd prefer it if he gives whoever follows him up(and WB damn well better let him hand-pick a successor) a clean slate to work with, and not have to get around Nolan's plot points. Nolan put the character in his current position, and it's his responsibility to dig him back out.
Ha ha ha hee hee ho ho hee hee ha ha ho... by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 25th, 2008 09:09:45 PM
Seems like the Joker and his clowns have taken over The Telegraph's website...
To folks who don't think Catwoman works in Nolan's films... by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 25th, 2008 09:12:03 PM
She worked in Frank Miller's DKR and Batman Year One, and it's those stories that the Nolans have pulled the majority of their material from.
To the "no part 3" guys: by Chief Joseph	Aug 25th, 2008 09:17:31 PM
This is a film FRANCHISE. Plus, there a whole bunch of Batman villains that need to be done justice in a movie.
Herb West by LaserPants	Aug 25th, 2008 09:19:03 PM
Its at the very end, as they go through the montage, smashing the bat signal, burning the letter, et al, there is a brief scene / shot of Gordon eulogizing Harvey Dent at a police funeral kinda ceremony. He's dead.
slappy jones by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 09:20:18 PM
Keep in mind that script would have been written long before Ledger died. That changes everything. BTW, is the script online and do you have a link?
LaserPants by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 09:22:51 PM
That is not a police funeral kinda ceremony, It's a press conference. Nothing more.
br1947 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:24:55 PM
and really, this goes for the whole "Bane is the only logical choice" crowd: remember X2? remember how they set up an incredibly intriguing story for the next entry? now remember how they tried to cram two other massive plots into X3, and turned it into an incoherent mess as a result? Knightfall is a two to three movie arc, which would require a massive amount of groundwork to make it function. the Arkham breakout would indeed be awesome, but you'll need more than two main villains in there before it'll work. plus, we just had a story where a brilliant criminal slowly destroyed every bit of Bat's world, to do the exact same thing for the very next movie would be imbecilic. everything needs to follow the concept of Batman being hunted by the cops, the mob, and the very citizenry of Gotham. we can get to Bane after that, but right now there's a plot in play that needs to be resolved before that can happen.
stickmangrit is right! by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 09:28:18 PM
It's too early for the Knightfall storyline.
any new character will be nolanized by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 09:30:18 PM
here's hoping nolan closes the arc he started and does 1 more batman. WB can hand things over to someone else after that. Nolan can return to do an aging batman one-shot when bale has is old enough.
no body by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 09:31:50 PM
no funeral
Herb West by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:32:20 PM
evidently this didn't get across the first time i wrote it, so i'll repeat: TWO-FACE IS DEAD. GORDON'S GOT A BATTALION OF COPS RUNNING PAST THE CORPSE WHO AREN'T IN ON THE "FRAME BATMAN" SCHEME. THE ONLY WAY THAT PLOT CAN WORK IS IF TWO-FACE IS DEAD. sorry about the caps, but i wanted to make it easily read for everyone present. additionally, Dent's death serves TDK's plot perfectly. the Joker still won. Batman killed Dent, and did so unnecessarily. that's why there's the shot of the coin landing on the clean side. it would have come up clean, and the boy would have lived. Batman was forced to make a choice, to "break his one rule" as the Joker predicted, or to risk James' death by his inaction. by the end, Batman has no friends, has done unconscionable things, including taking a life, which is what the Joker wanted in the first place.
Mad Hatter by Antag-Love	Aug 25th, 2008 09:33:19 PM
Steve Coogan as Mad Hatter is the only Logical way to go!
Philip Seymour Hoffman + ?? by GBRob08	Aug 25th, 2008 09:33:27 PM
PHS would be PERFECT (IMO) as the penguin, but since I'm not fond of that character (save him for the comics please) after watching Batman Returns recently, I do think he could play a fucked up Riddler. For Catwoman, go with Jolie and if not her, maybe an asian gal to make the character more of a ninja type.
No Catwoman or Robin, but yes to the Riddler. by brainstormchaser	Aug 25th, 2008 09:36:54 PM
Christian Bale has stated that as soon as he sees Robin pop-up in one of the Batman scripts that is when he is leaving the franchise, I don't think they can do it without him and I agree with Bale's sentiment. I also don't think that introducting Selina Kyle/Batwoman is the best idea either, I'd rather see them re-introduce Viki Vale who can play off of the dynamic of not knowing Bruce Wayne's crime fighting alter ego. A less flashy and well known character for sure but Nolan could craft something with depth that is not too over the top. As for a villian, I think there is still plenty to mined from the organized crime syndicates, but I think it would be gangbusters to get one the best actors of all-time to come in and play Edward Nygma, that being Daniel Day Lewis, who of course was very open with admiration of Heath Ledger. And what a better villian for Christopher Nolan's style. I can even imagine Guy Pearce pulling the role off as well.
I think... by DigitalBeachWar	Aug 25th, 2008 09:43:34 PM
Crispin Glover should be casted as something... He's fucking great and evil.
brainstormchaser by GBRob08	Aug 25th, 2008 09:44:04 PM
Daniel Day would be a good choice. I'm thinking the Riddler would be more of a hacker this time around. I could see him posting riddles on his website where people log in to try and solve it. If not, a building explodes or something.
Catwoman by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:44:23 PM
considering Nolan's primary touchstones for these films has been the Year One/Long Halloween/Dark Victory trilogy, he's already read the perfect way to realize that character. she's a jewel thief who's good enough at covering her tracks that she's amassed enough cash to get into the socialite circles. easiest way to do this for a third flick is to have her stumble onto the Joker's money stash. remember kids: "I'm only burning MY HALF." Joker only tends to lie when it suits his purposes, and why would he lie to a guy he's about to have killed? it doesn't serve the plan or a joke. he's got the rest put away somewhere for after the(likely already planned) escape from Arkham. having Catwoman stumble across it and snag a couple million from the pot would pretty much have her set up for life. puts her in the proper circles, with a sizable(and untraceable) chunk of change. starts the dual Catwoman-Batman/Selina-Bruce relationship, with her begging him to just leave Gotham with her(straight from TLH&DV). have Catwoman help with the crimefighting after her sizable windfall and you've got a compelling love interest that the fanboys(myself included) won't bitch about.
the riddler is a joke by illegaltouching	Aug 25th, 2008 09:46:05 PM
what's his master plan?
they need to get guy pearce to be... by dirty john	Aug 25th, 2008 09:47:15 PM
fucking Roland for christ sakes! when is JJ gonna make the dark tower?
Good points stickmangrit by br1947	Aug 25th, 2008 09:50:16 PM
althought I really wasn't thinking Knightfall exactly, just more the character in general. X2 to X3... man don't even make that comparison with TDK, bad mojo! We could end up with something worse than Batman & Robin if you say that too loudly!
LOL at this rumor by Aeghast	Aug 25th, 2008 09:53:03 PM
It's pretty pathetic, actually. Who came up with that..? I'm sure it was just for fun..............and everyone's talking about it! Kudos on loving CHILDREN OF MEN too ; )
stickmangrit by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 09:54:00 PM
I don't expect Nolan for a 4th (if he even decides to top a 3rd!) but the studios are gonna look for money from they're franchises as much as possible. Surely, Batman as the bad guy would work for 2 movies max. He is after the brooding hero. All I'm saying is that a happy ending isn't the best way to end a 3rd film.
HOLY SHIT by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:55:35 PM
and i can't believe this never occurred to me before now, but GUY PEARCE FOR BLACK MASK! the guy could have pulled off either Bats or Dent, and i've always wondered why Nolan hasn't pulled this guy out of the stable of folks he's worked with before. Black Mask's been floating around in rumor since BB, and there were initial talks of "the other" coming out of the initial TDK marching orders that Nolan gave WB, a character that had Bruce's resources and a similar background but went another route with it. everyone assumed that this meant Black Mask, but i'm guessing that that character morphed into Lau over rewrites. maybe Nolan's been saving a former fan speculate for Batman to play the anti-Batman. AND HOW FUCKING AWESOME IT WOULD BE. and for all the "they've already said they'll never do Robin" crowd: consider Nolan's personality. consider that a main theme in all of his films is misdirection. what if all of this is a smokescreen? what if Bale's in on the joke? what if all of this Robin hate from the creative team is nothing but a trick to get the fanboys to the point of supporting the character, only to pull him out as being planned from the get-go for part three. remember, the key source for these films has been the Miller/Loeb origin trilogy, which provides the perfect method for introducing Robin realistically and maturely. not saying it's definite, but the story timing is perfect, and this is the guy who managed to put out a half dozen trailers and still give us next to nothing of the plot for TDK. he might have something up his sleeve on this one.
"The Telegraph also gave us this one" by Aeghast	Aug 25th, 2008 09:55:55 PM
Strange thing who british newspapers won't try to include british stars in their bullshutty rumors, huh..?
"The Telegraph also gave us this one" by Aeghast	Aug 25th, 2008 09:56:00 PM
Strange thing who british newspapers won't try to include british stars in their bullshitty rumors, huh..?
stickmangrit by flickchick85	Aug 25th, 2008 09:56:58 PM
Oh I absolutely agree that they need villains. I was just suggesting that the villains should be people (or a person) empowered by the city to help capture/kill/solve the mystery of the Batman. But only at first, until their methods get out of hand, and they clearly have no regard for the safety of the citizens who then become collateral damage. Then Gotham would turn to Batman to save them from the monster(s) they created. I honestly don't care who those villains are, either. As you said, Batman's got the best rogue's gallery around, and most of them could be fresh and exciting, whether new or previously used, under Nolan's interpretation. But I do want to see Catwoman. Just not as a villain. I think she'd add just the dynamic they'll need to make the 3rd one feel fresh and not like a(n attempted) retread.
br1947 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 09:57:26 PM

Next Director? by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 09:59:46 PM
Who would you like to see take over the directorials from Nolan?
Rosie O'Donnell for Catwoman by DarthBakpao	Aug 25th, 2008 10:00:18 PM
Libido drops 100% except you're heavily drunk or drugged
You know, I like Jolie... by BurnHollywood	Aug 25th, 2008 10:00:23 PM
...But if I see her do that fucking action stance "super-size lips pursing while staring down down the barrel of a gun" thing one more time, I'm donkey-punching the person immediately in front of me at the theater, regardless of whether I'm close to climax or not. I'm serious. Get a new gimmick, Toots.
Catwoman should be... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 10:01:28 PM
...an unknown.
br1947 by stickmangrit	Aug 25th, 2008 10:02:21 PM
goddamed enter button. anyway: if you're going to do Bane, then fucking go all the way. there's no reason to go that route just so Bats can lock him up and go back to normal, you need Bane to incapacitate him in a major way. get Lucius to work on a cure for damaged nerve tissue, and have a stand-in step up to take over the reigns, going nuts with power as he does it. Bane's really not enough on his own, his actions could easily be replicated by putting the Joker in his position. Bane's there to break Batman's back and set the stage for Azrael to take over. drop all of the St Dumas mumbo jumbo and you've got a solid two-movie story.
I'LL tellya who should play Catwoman... by Zeke25:17	Aug 25th, 2008 10:08:45 PM
Anyone here see Doomsday? Remember the chick who played "Viper"...LeeAnn Liebenberg? Not only is she hot as hell, but she's a STUNTWOMAN...so ya wouldn't need any awkward body double switches in the fighting scenes. Yes, Jolie is the right look, absolutely...but Batman could break her in half; the actress has to be formidable as well as hot. (If ya don't agree, there's always Rhona Mitra.) And as far as the Joker, IF he comes back: VIGGO MORTENSEN. For Riddler: why not Crispin Glover? Yeah, yeah, I KNOW a lotta people saw him as Joker; but the only other person I can think of who can do the psychotic thing in his sleep is DENNIS HOPPER, and he may be a tad too old for the Riddler character.
Why Jolie should not be Catwoman... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 10:18:00 PM
She's too perfect. She's gorgeous. We've already had her in tight shorts as tomb raider. Imagine her in skin tight PVC!!! Yes it is a nice thought but (if you really care about batman) then you would like to have him punished by a dame who he/we know nothing about. That's all I'm saying.
Two-Face with a broken back? WTF? by Cannabis Holocaust	Aug 25th, 2008 10:23:05 PM
What fucking good would a paraplegic Two-Face in a wheelchair be? "I'm gonna kill you Batman!" (blows in tube) BEEP BEEP BEEP
Is it too late to suggest Billie Piper as Harley Quinn? by br1947	Aug 25th, 2008 10:24:35 PM

Another reason Jolie should NOT be Catwoman: by flickchick85	Aug 25th, 2008 10:25:41 PM
She's done the same role over and over, and it's not remotely exciting anymore (and I don't think it ever was). Face it, the second she'd be announced, we'd all know EXACTLY what to expect from Catwoman. Where's the fun in that? What made the hype around the Joker so huge (before Heath's death), besides being the Joker, was the fact that none of us had any fucking clue how Heath would play it. That was exciting. Let's get someone who hasn't played this type of role, so there's some surprise to look forward to. Nolan seems to like that element of surprise in most of his casting decisions.
tell you what... by dingus khan	Aug 25th, 2008 10:28:38 PM
...i'll play catwoman.
you're welcome. by dingus khan	Aug 25th, 2008 10:28:56 PM

Cher would be perfect as Catwoman... by DallasGoodbar	Aug 25th, 2008 10:30:18 PM
She could be this plastic surgery-addicted socialite with a penchant for stealing (and fucking) men decades her junior. I can see her tongue stuck in a frightened Shia LaDouche's ear right now. Mee-oOW!
2 words for Jolie and 2 words for Piper... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 10:42:14 PM
Too commercial... Too Toothy.
Jolene Blalock looks like Jim Lee's Catwoman by thevision	Aug 25th, 2008 10:44:04 PM
Take a look at Jim Lee's BATMAN HUSH- the high cheek bones, the bee-stung lips, the body type- oh yeah, defintely Jolene Blalock. The Catwoman costume with the cat goggles would fit Nolan's style. Selina Kyle is Batman's equal and NOT a girl so no Rachel McAdams or Megan Fox. Angelina is the dream casting but its been there, done that...cast someone who resembles Angelina. Anyway, looking through HUSH, Jim Lee's Bruce Wayne is John Hamm from Mad Men.
THIS TALKBACK IS TOTAL BULLSHIT by BurgerTime	Aug 25th, 2008 10:44:12 PM
TDK hasn't even left theatres yet and we're already speculating on the sequel. If WB and Nolan & crew are smart, they will wait until the champagne fizz of the most recent installment has left the collective palette. Two or three years. Tackle a project or two in the mean time. And when the time is right, and they have the right story...THEN attempt to continue the saga. But before then? Forget it.
BurgerTime u rgot it right by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 10:46:23 PM
well said.
BurgerTime u got go it right... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 10:47:11 PM
...even!
I was thinking Rose McGowan... by Poison Spanking	Aug 25th, 2008 10:53:49 PM
...but I don't remember if she's a good actress or not. Is she?
I'm chiming in with a 'Ryan Gosling'... by Ellipsian	Aug 25th, 2008 10:55:15 PM
...for Riddler. I'm all for Mr. Depp, too, but I like Gosling more because he's a less blatantly obvious choice (and has a similar feel to Ledger's casting). Oh, and he's hot. SMOKIN' hot.
stickmangrit by boogalooshrimp	Aug 25th, 2008 10:57:03 PM
I totally agree with the notion that Gotham should on fucking fire for half the movie. Nolan left plenty of room to raise the stakes. One of the greatest feats of TDK as far as I'm concerned was the scope and humanity of an entire fictional city and how it was seamlessly interwoven through the main arcs. The third would somehow have to top that. That was my reasoning behind straying off the beaten path and giving penguin more money and power. Instead of rival gangs this time around the city's scope could be divided by the rival companies. Wayne and Cobblebot by day, Batman and Penguin by night. Penguin's rise in corporate power could have easily been going on unnoticed during the previous two films. I like the idea of joker coming back during the final third of the film, and it's a pretty good guess that's what Nolan had planned too, I just don't see them recasting without the fear of bullshit backlash. We might hear him laughing while in the background at Arkum or something, but nothing more, unfortunate as that may be.
stop using the term "nolanverse" by long live the new chris	Aug 25th, 2008 10:57:39 PM
jesus fucking christ.
And you call yourself geeks? by nnnuts	Aug 25th, 2008 10:57:41 PM
Where is the Tricia Helfer for Catwoman suggestions? Though I'd be much happier with a Katie Sackoff Catwoman. It's retarded that anyone's even making casting suggestions, but how has this gone this long without one of you nerds bringing BSG into this?
thanks burgertime. by long live the new chris	Aug 25th, 2008 10:59:15 PM
the rest of you get a fucking life.
Cher as Catwoman by way of... by Thrillho77	Aug 25th, 2008 11:01:20 PM
Sunset Blvd. Bat shit crazy. Bug nuts. I can totally see it. That doesn't mean it's happening. That doesn't mean it can't be done better.
Why shouldn't Robin be in Nolan's Bat-movies? by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 25th, 2008 11:03:23 PM
Kids have played prominent roles in both the Batman movies. In Batman Begins, we're subjected to that spineless young Bruce Wayne who constantly looked like he was ready to cry for his Mrs. Wayne, the kid on the fire escape, and the kid Batman saves from the drugged-up mob. In Dark Knight, there Commissioner Gordon's kid at the end, and Joker constantly referring his being abused as a kid. Some of these Robin nay-sayers act like children don't exist in Nolan's Bat-universe.
A Casey Affleck Riddler is inspired, too... by Ellipsian	Aug 25th, 2008 11:03:29 PM
...but I cry at the thought of Dennis-freaking Hopper. Ugh.
Cannabis Holocaust by Herb West	Aug 25th, 2008 11:03:50 PM
Wins the award for the funniest post all day. BEEP BEEP BEEP snicker
Gypsies, Bats & Thieves! by Curious Jorge	Aug 25th, 2008 11:09:46 PM
Bats... I got you, Bats!
Monica Bellucci as Catwoman... by lynxpro	Aug 25th, 2008 11:11:29 PM
If the Nolan crew want a gorgeous yet mature actress for the role of Catwoman, then they should pick Monica Bellucci. Now I've been typing on AICN and many other places for the past few years about how I'd like to see her play Talia Al Ghul, but she could play either. And if she took the role of Catwoman, then perhaps Nolan could cast that British hottie Zuleikha Robinson as Talia.
Conchata Ferrell as Catwoman! by Curious Jorge	Aug 25th, 2008 11:12:01 PM
'nuff said.
I wanna see the early bats... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 11:13:54 PM
... with a gun!
Eva Green's got my vote for Catwoman by PotSmokinAlien	Aug 25th, 2008 11:18:03 PM

It'd make sense... by liquiddark	Aug 25th, 2008 11:20:23 PM
If part 3 were Bruce as an old man, which is part of the Miller version as I understand it. Old timer superheroes, tryin to get back past glories.
If catwoman is the next villain/ally... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 11:21:37 PM
...then what is the scope? What pushes her towards/away batman. I thing cos he's against the law he needs to find redemption...is catwoman it?
Millar is shit...think with your head fuckers by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 11:23:37 PM
Serious...do you need someone else to do it? go beyond the comics wise-cracker!
Torchwood, if by "early bats" u mean the Bob Kane stories... by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 25th, 2008 11:26:21 PM
...Batman only used a gun once, when he kills a vampire with silver bullets. Most of the time, he just simply through the bad guys to their deaths from roof tops. And the "early bats", meaning the early Bob Kane stories, was done, in Tim Burton's '89 Batman. That version was closer to those early dark Kane stories than anything else...
Gun... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 11:27:34 PM
Who says he needs to fire it?
I totally saw someone that would be a perfect recast as the Joke by thebearovingian	Aug 25th, 2008 11:30:25 PM
BUT I can't for the life of me remember who it was or what I was watching them in! To be continued...
KNIGHTFALL by thegrayghost	Aug 25th, 2008 11:30:44 PM
To avoid the usual horrible 3rd act curse, Nolan should treat it as a Part 2. Why do franchises have to come in threes anyways? If you have great stories to tell, why always make the 3rd one last? "The Caped Crusadar" sounds so friendly that it really does not fall inline with the type of world Nolan has created. Since we're seemingly pulling titles from the books, how about "Knightfall"? "It is always darkest before the dawn and the dawn is coming." Well, perhaps, it needs to get even darker before there is light. In DK, the Batman has just come to the realization that he will forever be Batman or Gotham's dark crusader. Rachael, his love since childhood, is now dead. He is now wanted by the law. The Narrows is still a hellhole. And he has inspired perhaps more chaos than good. I say, DK was the Two-face's origin or Begins story and now Part 3 is perhaps Harvey's Dark Knight. Continue to develop his character and not have him simply be a 2D criminal ... honestly, I'm still a little iffy about his transition from good to evil ... still feels a little forced. Maybe it's in the edited ~25 minutes? Perhaps he becomes a crime lord and starts a gang war against Maroni and the other mob bosses ... not for greed or power, but for revenge. He does have a boat load of money now thanks to Bruce. Aaron Eckhart played that character so well, that I think it would be awesome to see more out of him and not simply put him in like a 5 minute Scarecrow cameo. Scarecrow is still one of my fav batvillains ... hopefully, they can use him again later on in a Halloween-type story, but I doubt it. Introduce Selina Kyle as the character in the "Long Halloween/Dark Victory" with the mob/Falcone connections and a possible love interest since Dawes is dead. Cher ... hellz no, but then I trust Nolan. Angelina Jolie ... right age for Bale and hot as hell, but can I take her seriously as an actress? Maybe with a great script and direction, and if she keeps her ego in check. Bring in one of the greatest modern day character actors, Daniel Day Lewis, to do a small bit as the Joker in Arkham and introduce Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... The Joker can basically act as a Hannibal Lecter taunting Batman. Seymour Hoffman can just have a small part as another crime boss in Gotham. Introduce Jean-Paul Valley, Doctor Shondra Kinsolving, Alberto Falcone, Sofia Falcone Gigante, Montoya, and Bullock to flesh out this movie and give them a much bigger role in Part 4. Bring in Bane, and not as an oversized dumb guerrilla like he has been portrayed in both The Animated Series and in the horrible Schumacher debacle, but as the calculating and devious villian that would be slowly breaking down Batman's mind, spirit, and body over the course of the movie, in the shadows, and waiting for the perfect moment when his prey was at his weakest and then snap his back ... I think that would be pretty dramatic ending to any Part 3. Bane is not the most interesting villain in the world, but it's what he was able to do Batman and consequences afterwards that were interesting (Azrael, Lady Shiva, Gotham w/o Batman, reclaiming the mantle, etc.). One of the things I've always appreciated with Nolan's movies is that they are all rich 3-dimensional worlds where you can have a ton of characters and not have it feel bloated ... not an easy trick to do. Other suggestions. Get Bale to "fix" his Batman voice. He needs to try a different take on it cause it's not really working ... maybe make it deep w/o the growling. The funny thing is that it works when he is yelling ("SWEAR TO ME!") but when he is having a conversation, it's a bit comical ... his Bruce is pitch perfect though. Another thing is to hire a fight choreographer that knows how to put together badass/intense hand-to-hand combat sequences (Batman is supposed to be one the world's greatest martial artist ... think Jason Bourne, Casino Royale, Transporter, and maybe some of the Asian stuff ... though only if they can make it look right). I still feel like I haven't been shown Batman's full fighting prowess. Show more of the detective side of him by having him find clues, interrogating people, going undercover, tailing people, infiltrate/breaking into places where he has to use more stealth than brawn, doing survelliance, and not just behind the computer hacking stuff safely in the batcave. Batman is regarded as the world's greatest detective. "Rather than simply outfighting his opponents, Batman often uses cunning and planning to outwit them. In Grant Morrison's first storyline in JLA, Superman describes Batman as 'the most dangerous man on Earth,'" - Wiki I have still yet to see this side of the character in any Batman movie. TAS and JLAU did a good job of this though. Bring in another obsure Batvillian ... having Zsasz in Begins was pretty fun ... perhaps Killer Croc? Blackmask (hates Bruce)? Deadshot? I loved the Dark Knight btw with its flaws. Ledger's Joker is most interesting incarnation of that character in any non comicbook medium ... yes, better than Hamill. I don't think Gary Oldman gets enough props for how perfect he is as Gordon ... I really cannot imagine anyone else matching what he has done with the character.
Hillary Clinton as the Joker by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 25th, 2008 11:34:24 PM
...or at least HarlyQuinn, being that she's got nothing better to do now...
Isn't Catwoman supposed to be ATTRACTIVE??? by TheGhostWhoLurks	Aug 25th, 2008 11:35:03 PM
And not a 60-year-old, used-up relic whose face is tighter than a drum? Cher as Catwoman is a BAD idea, regardless of whether Nolan thought of it, or not. The only people who'd get excited about the idea are gay men. Thankfully, Joel Schumacher no longer has the franchise.
Gun pt2... by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 11:36:45 PM
You know what I like most about the new batman films... I like that it's a little bit grounded... the cityscape is a little like chicago (seriously nice chicago) The batman's decisions is in the grey. He's troubled. He's not a good guy cos he's not a cop. He has his own style of justice. Any means that are necessary, huh? I like this bad guy who fucks up. He's not perfect even if he tries and get the wrong result. That's Batman, haunted by his own attempts, failings, and mistakes.
Gun Pt3 by Torchwood 4	Aug 25th, 2008 11:39:04 PM
Batman isn't perfect...
CLOCK KING!!!! by kdoc13	Aug 25th, 2008 11:42:15 PM
Seriously, a semi-sort of real time (like 24) with the Clock King would rock! And sine you always have two villians (Ras Al Goul & Scarecrow, Two-Face and Joker) you could probably bring in the lame-ass Ridler.
Reginald Vel Johnson??? by Thrillho77	Aug 25th, 2008 11:43:47 PM
As in, Carl Winslow, Reginald Vel Johnson? Can I buy pot from you? Shhhh....not while I'm pouring....
Bwahahaha. by jimmy_009	Aug 25th, 2008 11:52:37 PM
Hilarious rumor. Thanks for the laugh.
Maybe if he jumps forward and does Dark Knight Returns by Luna Moth	Aug 26th, 2008 12:18:58 AM
and they ain't gonna do that. The rumor's bullshit, but its still nice to talk about shit...
Kirsten Dunst as Catwoman by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 12:28:43 AM

Topher Grace as Riddler by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 12:28:59 AM

James Franco as Vengeful Friend #2 by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 12:29:28 AM

Fuck it... Bryce Dallas Howard as Harley Quinn by mefrog	Aug 26th, 2008 12:30:13 AM

Sounds smart and original, depite fan reaction. by JDanielP	Aug 26th, 2008 12:30:30 AM
Lord help me, I know I'm gonna catch it for this one, here in the talkbacks. (I suppose it might be like revealing I'm Michael Bay. - ha!) It's not uncommon to see an older man portray an evil bastard, pulling all the strings. But how often do we see that with women? To me, this actually sounds both interesting and unique. (And nobody can say anything against the surprise that was Heath Ledger.) This is Nolan's series, now. I'm willing to sit back and watch the magic happen. (However, I will continue hoping that they improve the visual look of Batman's costume, while maintaining the practicality of the design. - I just had to put that in.)
This was big news by thegreatwhatzit	Aug 26th, 2008 12:38:30 AM
when it was originally posted sometime in 1975.
Philip Seymour Hoffman by Irina Spanko	Aug 26th, 2008 12:45:35 AM
He was rumored as a cameo Penguin-like character for The Dark Knight. Any rumor of him now is just dredging-up that same rumor. I think we all know there's no legitimate casting going on right now. I sincerely doubt there is even a script or a director attached. Yes, I said it.
The Script Girl thread has suddenly vanished! by thegreatwhatzit	Aug 26th, 2008 12:53:12 AM
Thank God.
Brunomac... by thegreatwhatzit	Aug 26th, 2008 12:57:33 AM
Your writing is brilliant ("...just give the next movie to Tim Burton, so it can be another Cirque De Soliel Gothic Tranny fest like Batman 2 was."). And funny. Thanks for lifting me out of a dark mood.
This whole article is Geeksterbation by DOGSOUP	Aug 26th, 2008 01:13:03 AM
Not News.
GOTHAM by juice willis	Aug 26th, 2008 01:14:53 AM
what else could they use as a title for a third film that hasn't already been used in a previous film or just outright sucks?
On being "Legit" by california_mtz	Aug 26th, 2008 01:19:21 AM
"There weren't no cellphones in '68, I'm head-to-toe legit."
OK bithces- Here is how it goes down: by Particularly Hard Vato	Aug 26th, 2008 01:26:29 AM
Remember Ras Al Ghul? Ultimate Badass? Remember, "We can teach you how to engage 600 men" while training Bruce- here goes my theory- Dent is alive and sedated, in the bottom of Arkham, known only to a very few people. One of those people is the reimagined Riddler, who is in Gotham the head of Arkham. He has been steadily going insane running the place, and does not want to become evil- but he wants to see Dent escape. So he sets up a puzzle for Dent to figure out so he can escape. Meanwhile, the Penguin is introduced as a side character supplying arms to the mob- police are torn between hunting batman and fighting the mob, so the mob is coming back- the Joker taught them to not have any rules and they are now using heavy arms in their direct fighting with the cops- introduce some more side villians here, like black mask as some seriously badass mob dude- no origin or backstory told, and mad hatter as some other wack job. Federal government is bringing in troops to take control of the city- ala the woman commissioner in dark knight returns comic. Shit is going down big- cops are dying from mob warfare- and then Harvey figures out the clues and gets out of arkham. And no one knows who the fuck he is- everyone thought he was dead. He goes right to the penguin and beats the shit out of him, and takes some weapons. And then- he recruits pissed cops to his "gang," telling them that they are going to take back gotham from the mobsters. His big bad Harv persona comes out in full mating regalia- and they just start killing the mobsters. Assault style, no mercy- this brings batman back. National guard comes it to stop the rioting and crap, batman comes back- takes down Dent, and the military comes after Batman. This is where the 600 people being taken down shit comes in. New tech for this movie- active camouflage, ala predator. So now, he can literally appear to be invisible. Ras Al Ghul comes back- he wants to help batman because, I don't know- he wants to kick the shit out of people- that's his bag man- the only guy who ever came close to taking out batman. And the movie ends with Batman and Ras taking down and entire squad of soldiers who have chased them in to a lit warehouse. they burst in from all doors, and batman and ras are there. the soldiers cant fire because of cross-room shots hitting each other. Plus- batman goes all invisible and so does Ras- Batman loans him armor too. Like, all you can see is their faces or something. So they just take out like 600 soldiers. And then they leave. I heard it from a dude in an elevator with a 4th gen iphone and catwoman babysitting his kids.
go for penguin in bats 3 by madmadmad	Aug 26th, 2008 01:26:33 AM
and the only one that could do it justice and make it interesting is this guy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm032 2407/ really, he's perfect
"GOTHAM GUARDIAN" by JDanielP	Aug 26th, 2008 01:26:37 AM
Not bad, huh? But I'm okay with THE CAPED CRUSADER.
And then- by Particularly Hard Vato	Aug 26th, 2008 01:28:44 AM
Some fat kids chest bump while proclaiming the goodness of bluray.
Actually I started the Cher as Catwoman rumor by Napoleon Park	Aug 26th, 2008 01:29:12 AM
Actually, I started the Cher as Catwoman rumor in a letter to Amazing Heroes in 1986. I'm surprised it's still going around - she's kinda too old for the role now. I know at AICN people say all kinds of crazy stuff, which is why this is so funny - it really is true. I worked at a comic shop and I was talking to customers about Cher as Catwoman long before I ever saw the rumor pop up anywhere else in print. Actually there's only one way it would work now, and that would be is they filmed an adaptation of the Dark Knight Returns. But only if they could get Nicholson as the Joker and Adam West as Batman. With Bryce Dallas Howard as Carrie Kelley.
"GUARDIAN OF GOTHAM" by JDanielP	Aug 26th, 2008 01:29:18 AM
Uhhhh...., scratch that. Stick with THE CAPED CRUSADER.
Third movies always suck? by Napoleon Park	Aug 26th, 2008 01:41:27 AM
Two words: "Goldfinger," motherfucker.
A cameo by Harry Knowles..... by deadboy1313	Aug 26th, 2008 01:54:37 AM
....in Arkham Asylum as King Tut! That would be cool! Seriously!
no catwoman and no film for 4-5 years by orange cinema	Aug 26th, 2008 01:56:06 AM
please!!!! no catwoman at all!!! and let's just be patient and wait a while for the next one - inly time will allow nolan to figure out the void left in ledger's passing. rip buddy
Im sorry but by ReZourceman	Aug 26th, 2008 02:32:04 AM
Anna Farris is freaking smokin' hot.
Cher would've been perfect... by RobinP	Aug 26th, 2008 02:45:42 AM
....eighteen years ago. I remember this rumour circulating around the casting of Batman Returns.
Cher would be puuurfect as Catwoman.. by Stalkeye	Aug 26th, 2008 03:00:48 AM
..that's if she could "turn back time".:P
First let me say that I'm not hatin' just to be hatin', but... by malificus	Aug 26th, 2008 03:01:39 AM
..I saw Dark Knight on Saturday and what an overrated borefest it was. Heath was unquestionably awesome as the Joker, and props to him because he was the only good thing about it. Harvey Dent started out good, but then the change to Two Face was illogical and the ending with him just seemed tacked on and drawn out to make up for missing Heath material. Maggie was a total washout, a less attractive and charisma-less leading lady you'll never find. The "action", if you can call it that, was some of the most poorly choreographed and lousily shot I've seen since Daredevil. That 'voice' Bale uses in costume is a ridiculous travesty and the whole damn thing needed AT LEAST an hour edited out of it. The unmitigated praise needs to end, this emperor had no clothes, Dark Knight kinda sucked, and I mean it, and I'm not just saying it to get folks riled. Be honest, other than the Joker it really kinda stunk.
Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin by David Cloverfield	Aug 26th, 2008 03:09:38 AM
could all work in the Nolanverse wonderfully. Hell, Poison Ivy, as a completely out of it eco terrorist, Talia Al Ghoul, maybe even Bane can be used with a little trimming.
I was going to make a productive comment.... by Almega	Aug 26th, 2008 04:01:08 AM
but then I decided to read the first, oh.. I guess 20 posts and saw someone suggest Reese Witherspoon, Natalie Portman, and Kate Winslet as Catwoman. Lost all respect for the thread. I'll give it a second shot later I guess.
AVATAR - Fucking our eyeballs in 2009. by Motoko Kusanagi	Aug 26th, 2008 04:06:55 AM
Nuff said.
Unknownuser by malificus	Aug 26th, 2008 04:11:13 AM
Really? I gotta go back through all that just to have you explain it to me? No thanks, it's just a fucking movie, I understood it just fine, I just happen to disagree with everyone who thinks this movie turns shit into gold...which in retrospect..I guess it kinda did!
IN NOLAN'S GOTHAM - CATWOMAN SHOULD BE A TRANNIE by Ray Gamma	Aug 26th, 2008 04:26:20 AM
agreed?
CASTING IS BULLSHIT by mattblissett	Aug 26th, 2008 04:57:45 AM
Ultimately, we should trust to the vision of the writer and director, casting suggestions are based upon so many factors that we cannot predict anything of substance.
Catwona fits in Nolan's universe... by capitan_trueno	Aug 26th, 2008 05:30:21 AM
... if they adapt her lastest version, the one designed by Darwin Cooke. Her costume is very reality-based and don't seems a Las Vegas stripper outfit. Selina Kyle is a great character who deserves a true cinematical version, not the Burtonesque fantasies or the Pitof crap.
Maggie G's character turns into Catwoman by the podosphere	Aug 26th, 2008 05:34:28 AM
Actually, my favorite suggestion for the role so far is Missy Pyle. She's tall, she's talented, and she can definitely some bring some physicality to the role.
Rainn Wilson for the Penguin! by the podosphere	Aug 26th, 2008 05:35:44 AM
You know he'd own.
I agree with waiting a couple of years! by Uridium	Aug 26th, 2008 05:42:23 AM
Now, I wish dent was still alive, being treated in secret somewhere deep in Arkham. As for people saying batman has lost Gordon as an ally.... WTF, Gordon is about the only person in gotham who dosent thing Batman is a killer (well him and Fox). I love the Penguin ideas as an arms dealer filling the void as gothams top mob boss. However the Dark Knight was based around chaos and destruction, and I think the riddler as a zodiac inspired serial killer who sends these cryptic clues that Gordon passed allong to Batman (this time using his detective smarts to outwit the bad guy). As for catwoman, anyone thought of having a far eastern socialite, who sidelines as thief (for the kicks), possibly assasin for the HongKong mafia guy from DK??? played by Ziyi Zhang (girl from Crouching Tiger?)
loserguy3000 by Yeti	Aug 26th, 2008 05:43:57 AM
Tennant would make an excellant Riddler. Good call.
ok I forgot by Uridium	Aug 26th, 2008 05:44:10 AM
HongKong mafia guy... burnt to death? on Jokers pile of money.
Patrick Stewart as Mr Freeze by Yeti	Aug 26th, 2008 05:44:31 AM

I just want Eastwood by tomdolan04	Aug 26th, 2008 05:48:07 AM
as a bad ass gruff crimelord of some description. He needs one last big motherfecking hurrah role to cement a mindblowing career in front of the camera.
What about a Liam Neeson come back? by capitan_trueno	Aug 26th, 2008 05:49:41 AM
As Rhas Al Ghul.In Batman Begins we saw him die at the train crash. But maybe one of his henchmen took his corpse to the LAzaru's Pit (see the comics). A mad, angry and fucked up Rhas coud be cool.
Can't judge the casting without knowing the story by Dreamfasting	Aug 26th, 2008 05:56:00 AM
What's the theme of the movie going to be? What would catwoman's motives be? What other villains will be in the background/foreground? Will the city be overrun with joker-wannabes? Would catwoman be a rising new villainess, a well-experienced foe at the height of her abilities, or a fading shadow of a past era? The trouble with forming an opinion on Cher is that we don't know what the story is.
She'd better sing Gypsies,Tramps, and Thieves by Stuntcock Mike	Aug 26th, 2008 06:16:32 AM
or Half Breed
"If I could turn back time. If I could find a way" by Stuntcock Mike	Aug 26th, 2008 06:18:45 AM
I was born in the wagon of a travellin show My mama used to dance for the money theyd throw Papa would do whatever he could Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of doctor good
I BELIEVE IN LIFE AFTER LOVE by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 06:22:00 AM
now that Cher has opened my eyes. Thanks Cher!
moviemack as Catwoman! by DocPazuzu	Aug 26th, 2008 06:52:24 AM
Well, he is a mewling pussy.
IF they do Mr. Freeze and don't cast Patrick Stewart by ciroslive	Aug 26th, 2008 07:19:18 AM
they deserve a flop
Riddler... by Kid Z	Aug 26th, 2008 07:25:23 AM
... but an obsessed, manipulative, plotting, master of strategy Riddler, not the loser he's been portrayed as in the comics for far too long. Joker was an agent of chaos and made a nice contrast to Batman as a villain because of that. Now let's see how well Bats fares against someone as meticulous and calculating as himself. As for who should play him? Fuck, I don't know. But it should be someone who wouldn't be the obvious choice. That worked out well with Ledger.
Riddler is a Narcissist not a psychopath by holidill	Aug 26th, 2008 07:32:35 AM
Forgive my spelling, but most people don't care if things are spelled right in talkbacks. Anyway, Riddler is a narcissist, be believes he is smarter than anyone so he commits crimes to prove it. He leaves clues that spells out what he is doing so if anyone smart enough can crack them it will give him a perfect foil. Get Riddler in there, introduce Catwoman because Batman needs some sex, and have the Penguin portrayed as he is in the comics as a "legitimate" bussinessman who happens to help the bad guys and good guys alike. He could be a small role, but to have him in there would add to the world of Batman.
Your Mom as Catwoman by holidill	Aug 26th, 2008 07:33:26 AM
Couldn't resist...
Knight Fall Anyone? by future stan	Aug 26th, 2008 07:54:37 AM
surely, a fantastic sequal and end to the Nolan and Bale era of the Batman would be an adaptation (not the original) of the Knightfall saga. setting the film six years or so after Dark Knight and do it as a aback to back two-parter released about 4 months from each other. this would allow for the return of the joker (Joseph Gordon Levit is my pick) but for only a portion of the film allowing the actor to act his nuts off for his limited screen time and do justice to mr ledger. beyond that it means that they can have Nightwing but without the need for a Robin as Bale has said he never wants one, but hint that the character was there in the dead time between films. as for Catwoman this would make a prime time to bring her in and maybe even emply the beginning of Batgirl (anyone notice neither her name nor her face was shown in Dark Knight except for maybe a couple of frames? something there?) and thus a geek pleasing girl fight. Beyond that the only film i'd like to see after this would be a second chance for Cloony as Batman in a 'Dark Knigh Returns' adaptation, you know you want it too.
Why not cast a MAN as Catwoman? by rev_skarekroe	Aug 26th, 2008 08:16:52 AM
See, now that's outside the box thinking!
I agree with tomdolan04 and Dreamfasting... by JDanielP	Aug 26th, 2008 08:27:44 AM
...in that it would be GREAT(!!!) to see Clint Eastwood as a crimelord (or just as a wealthy man, a victim of Catwoman)...and to drive home the point that we have NO IDEA what Nolan would have in mind for Cher. I find this to be interesting stuff.
this speculation is maddening. by dingus khan	Aug 26th, 2008 08:33:15 AM
this thread is maddening. reading people's "potential" script ideas reminds me of playing make believe when i was 7. at this point, i would love to see a third installment...not sure how they are going to sidestep the ledger death. but, i am also fine with waiting 3 or 4 years for it to make it a worthwhile. don't yank our twanks.
Cher? When Bea Arthur was made for the part! by Ingeld	Aug 26th, 2008 08:34:56 AM
Go ahead, just try to get the image of Bea Arthur dressed in the Halle Berry catwoman suit out of your mind. You will never watch the Golden Girls in the same way again.
Knightfall by badboymason	Aug 26th, 2008 08:39:01 AM
I would make the third one not based on the actual Knightfall story, but on the same kind of plan that Bane used to break the Batman: A villain torments and distracts Batman (maybe the Riddler distracting him with killings/riddles while another real plan is being hatched) so badly that when the true plan is revealed, he is so worn-down and weak that he cannot win...
saggy old cloth cat! by FILMFUNK	Aug 26th, 2008 08:42:45 AM
She is an old plastic stick but Nolan could cast a chimp as Robin and i'd watch it with interest just to see what he does with it the man is THAT good at his day job!
"Under the Wing of BATMAN" ...for Robin's story. by JDanielP	Aug 26th, 2008 08:57:29 AM
I still love that title, from way back when I was...funny enough...trying to make suggestions to Warner Bros., after Burton's BATMAN, in '89. I remember doing conceptual art of a "training suit" for Robin, wearing more bullet proof protection than Batman would ever wear. He had a helmet and the whole bit, yet still mobile enough to aid Batman. It was fun. And in my way, it was a way of making the existence of Robin MORE REAL. And it only makes me feel as though we've come full circle,...in that, it is exactly the approach that Nolan needs to take, if Robin (however doubtful) is ever a part of his vision for THE CAPED CRUSADER.
Wishful Thinking by chemicalbrotha	Aug 26th, 2008 09:04:35 AM
I would love to see Rosario Dawson as Catwoman.She would kick ass!
Johnny Depp as Catwoman? Now that would be twisted... by Mindtrip	Aug 26th, 2008 09:16:18 AM
But less than Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Now, Cher as Selena Kyle's mother... Nahhhh, I want to see the character brought to life not bigname actress playing a role she has no business playing.
Batman 3 will inevitably disappoint by Sithdan	Aug 26th, 2008 09:17:27 AM
How could one follow The Dark Knight? It's impossible to top. The third film is destined for failure. If I were Chris Nolan, I would decline to even film a third film. I wouldn't want that kind of a load on my shoulders. I can see why people like Harper Lee only write one book. How could you top the success of To Kill a Mockingbird? It's nearly impossible.
CHRISTIAN BALE'S SISTER AS CATWOMAN by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 09:19:48 AM
His moms as the Penguin! I'm just stating the obvious!
John Waters as Louie the Lilac by Utamoh	Aug 26th, 2008 09:20:58 AM

...or Joan Rivers as The Riddler in drag by Utamoh	Aug 26th, 2008 09:24:34 AM
and Don Rickles as Egghead. Yeah, lets just turn Batman into a big campy party!
Jeff Albertson as Catwoman! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 26th, 2008 09:26:04 AM
Because he's the "Queen of ALL things Batman"! And he's banned!
Johnny Depp as Egghead by Hagakure	Aug 26th, 2008 09:29:39 AM
Why not?
SONNY BONO AS THE PENGUIN!!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 09:30:25 AM
Co-Starring The Captain and Tennille as themselves! Oh Jesus pleasssee!!!!
WHO WOULD WIN: BATMAN OR RAMBO? by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 09:34:43 AM
Only one way to find out! Get to it, Nolan!
LOUISE "WEEZY" JEFFERSON AS KING TUT!!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 09:37:20 AM
Can I get an Amen brothers?!
MARCIA STRASSMAN AS CATWOMAN by BringingSexyBack	Aug 26th, 2008 09:39:26 AM
Meeow baby!
When she corners Batman..... by grampageezer	Aug 26th, 2008 09:54:50 AM
I hope she doesn't use the line; "I Got You,Babe." Seriouslly, if their going for an older broad, Tina Turner is more suited, and still has great legs.
Third Films by Slaphappy Slim	Aug 26th, 2008 09:56:48 AM
Actually, folks: X-Men 3 should get a begrudging pass, as it is far superior to: Superman 3 Spider-Man 3 Batman Forever I have complete faith that Nolan will not fuck up a third film in his series.
Are they going to keep trying till they get it right? by grampageezer	Aug 26th, 2008 09:59:09 AM
I doubt they'll ever. With all the great Batman villians out there, why do they insist on rehashing the same material over and over?? Catwoman has been done to death! Halle Barry could've been a great Catwoman, but it wasn't her fault the script was horrible and didn't include Batman at all.
Follow the James Bond formula by grampageezer	Aug 26th, 2008 10:09:07 AM
Getting back to the subject of Batman's stable of great villians, why doesn't the studios take a page from the James Bond movie series, and open each Batman movie (or Spider-Man) with a brief 5 or 10 minute intro sequence with the hero chasing down some second-tier villian like Killer-Croc, Bane, or Man-Bat, or in the case of Spidey, the Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion or the Vulture etc`. Bats could fight or outwit the baddie and leave him for the cops. It wouldn't desturb the story arc, and be an exciting way to get the film rolling before the opening credits. And as long as these films take to produce, fans would get a chance to see their faves for at least a minute or two before the same ol' same ol' bad guys arrive.
My potentials. by Johnny Smith	Aug 26th, 2008 10:30:08 AM
DiCaprio or Simon Pegg as The Riddler. John Lithgow as The Mad Hatter. Michael Ironside as Black Mask. Michael Emerson as Calendar Man. Terry O'Quinn as Hugo Strange. Robin Williams (in full One Hour Photo or Insomnia mode) as the Ventriloquist.
1991 called..... by zastrow	Aug 26th, 2008 10:37:43 AM
....it would like it's casting rumors back. Seriously, this was rumored for "Batman Returns". If we're gonna talk crap, let's at least be original.
Batman 3 title. by UltimaRex	Aug 26th, 2008 10:37:47 AM
Shadow of the Bat.
harley quinn by toro004	Aug 26th, 2008 10:42:21 AM
I insist on getting amy lee from evanescence for harley, but someone mentioned anna farris... she'd be dope too... and as for catwoman... would anyone say catherine zeta jones is too old? if so, then zooey desachnel or however it's spelled
Mily Cyrus as the Penguin/Hannan Montana as CW by Knobules	Aug 26th, 2008 10:56:24 AM
And Im sure Capone and Kevin Smith want there BFF Paris Hilton in there someplace.
Cher's an awesome actress by CherryValance	Aug 26th, 2008 11:10:12 AM
She should do more movies, but I'm guessing if they did have a Catwoman in this series she'd be a contemporary of these actors, like Charlize Theron or something.
Cher was a fine actress... by thegreatwhatzit	Aug 26th, 2008 11:16:56 AM
I especially enjoy her silent movies.
Original villain by fat lenny	Aug 26th, 2008 11:38:51 AM
I think Nolan should come up with his own villain for III. Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman? Cheesy. Are they saving Mr Freeze for part IV?
I'm a gonna... by JohnSpartan	Aug 26th, 2008 11:39:01 AM
...Go ahead and jump on the "quit while you're ahead" bandwagon. Either that or the "massive overhaul bandwagon." Chris Nolan has said that he tried to put everything he would ever want to see in a Batman flick into TDK. Does that mean that anything in part 3 would be something even the director wasn't into (like Spider-Man 3)? In my fantasy world, I choose a universe where Supermax is actually the sequel to Dark Knight: We follow the Joker to Arkham, where the focus shifts to Oliver Queen. Bam. Continuity, unified universe, all that stuff Jeff Robinov is trying to play catch-up on right now with Marvel (and will inevitably be seen as a rip-off of what Marvel is trying to do with their films). Dammit, DC came first. I say this with all love for Marvel, but they're supposed to be the rip-off factory. The other alternative would be to go all Dark Knight Returns and we can finally see the old grizzled Batman, 30 years down the line when he's gone truly fascist. And while Routh was the best part of Superman Returns, what organ do I have to donate to see a MAN play Superman, rather than some WB/CW reject? Can we give the Alex Ross/George Reeves fatherly, wise, benevolent God version of Superman another go, or are we stuck with actors who were neck-deep in clearasil until 18 months ago so the franchise can last as long as possible? How about doing what's right for the character? We've seen that these stories and characters are bigger than any single actor. They're modern myths. The can be retold a dozen different ways by different people and still hold up. If your ADULT Supes gets too old, bring someone new in. It'll hold up if the storytelling is there. I personally can't wait to see what happens to the Spider-Man franchise. I really hope they wipe the slate clean and give a new group of filmmakers a chance who haven't yet had their enthusiasm for the material worn down to a nub. aaaaaaaaaaanyways.... end snarkmission
The ScriptGirl thread vanished. by thegreatwhatzit	Aug 26th, 2008 11:39:43 AM
And that's the good news. But it's abrupt disappearance is pretty crytpic. Evidently, somebody was chronicling "facts" about Harry on the Wiki Encyclopedia (e.g. his wife was a transsexual stripper). While no contributors were banned, it appears the entire thread was prematurely exiled to the trash bin. What happened?
Are you new? by buffywrestling	Aug 26th, 2008 11:51:39 AM
It hasn't "vanished". Try the navigation at the top of the site under Cool News. Jesus.
Chloe Sevigny as The Knobgoblin by Ultron ver 2.0	Aug 26th, 2008 12:04:41 PM
...yes, it'll be a Marvel/DC crossover
PENGUIN = No: ROBIN = No: RIDDLER = Why? by qball86	Aug 26th, 2008 12:06:22 PM
First off, Nolan said that he'd never use The Penguin, and for people who seem so eager after seeing him in BATMAN RETURNS, he's nothing like that in the comics, that was Tim Burton's Penguin. And as for Robin, don't even bother talking about it. And why are people so eager to see The Riddler? It's as if you're just working off a list of ones you've seen in the previous other movies, whether they're good or not, i'd love to see Hush, it's one of the best stories they've done
Catwoman by Marvinatmiddleage	Aug 26th, 2008 12:12:30 PM
Kiera Knightly
No. 3 by Marvinatmiddleage	Aug 26th, 2008 12:14:59 PM
Batman: Vegence of Bane. That's a kicks ass movie in waiting!
sequels to sequels by frozen01	Aug 26th, 2008 12:16:31 PM
"Best 3rd sequels???? by BackRiverCatfish Aug 25th, 2008 05:11:40 PM Jedi, Rocky III, Thunderdome, that's all I got." Army of Darkness :)
malificus, maybe you just have shit taste? by TheLastCleric	Aug 26th, 2008 12:16:56 PM
Comparing anything in TDK to Daredevil pretty much invalidates anything else you have to say regarding the matter. It's really that simple. Also, Dent's transformation occurs throughout the film with the scarring and loss of Rachel merely the catharsis. I'd also like to know where you got the notion that there was missing Heath material? A smart little troll like you surely knows that they wrapped up photography months before Ledger passed. Regardless, whether your distain is genuine or merely a way to get some attention, you come off as a cunt for claiming that it's the rest of us who are wrong or in denial. An intelligent person can simply walk away from something they didn't enjoy and call it a day. Pathetic little children like you whine to the heavens because you feel marginalized by all the praise TDK is getting. Why not go find something else that gives you joy instead of trying to trash a film most people clearly loved? Is your life really that empty and devoid of substance? Oh, and the allusion to the emperor with no clothes: get the fuck out of here with that clichéd, pedantic shit.
how can the joker NOT be in 3? by fastcars	Aug 26th, 2008 12:27:46 PM
if you didn't know heath ledger was dead, you would expect the joker in 3. there's no way he can't be, based on the story. also, isn't two face still alive?
Catwoman is... by blatz	Aug 26th, 2008 12:31:51 PM
Amy Winehouse. She has the looks (after a cleanup), the voice, and a bitchin' attitude. Eye makeup already included!
They could still use Ledgers Joker..... by connor187	Aug 26th, 2008 12:32:31 PM
You just know they didnt use all the scenes they shot with him. I remember seeing a picture of The Joker in the back of a car at night, with a goon driving, I think it was part of the viral marketing campaign. This wasnt in the movie. I think they will have a few scenes left over. Perhaps Nolan cut some scenes on purpose to use them in an unanounced sequel. He was cutting the movie when Ledger died no? Iam not trying to say they should only use The Joker in the next film. Just have him be a small part of it. My choice for the next villan....simple The Riddler. Just one villan this time though with a small part for the Joker as I said.
How about the Riddler as some sort of Jigsaw type. by jarnevic	Aug 26th, 2008 12:39:06 PM
Instead of just giving Batman riddles about what bank he's gonna rob next, he also kidnaps people, and makes them solve riddles or they die. Whatever.
The point.... by connor187	Aug 26th, 2008 12:41:30 PM
When I watched The Dark Knight in the cinema I was expecting to see The Joker again at the end of the film. I didnt think the last time we would get to see him, he would be hanging upside down laughing at the cops. Now my last post got me thinking. I think Nolan did in fact shoot more scenes with Ledger, thats obvious. But what if he did actualy shoot more of The Joker which was intended to be used at the end of The Dark Knight? a scene in Arkham perhaps? Ah fuck it who knows eh? I think Iam just getting caught up in all this buzz for a third.
Gotham Burning by samurai sark	Aug 26th, 2008 12:47:42 PM
Gotham City Gotham The Batman City of Fear Knightfall
Why Hush? No sense this makes. by samurai sark	Aug 26th, 2008 12:52:55 PM
The Hush storyline had the following characters in the plot: Joker Harley Quinn Clayface Nightwing Jason Todd Catwoman Ra's Al Ghul Oracle Poison Ivy Superman Lois Lane and the Riddler. They going to throw all these characters in one movie? Na. I want HUSH as an HBO miniseries please. Hell, I'll even take FX.
Harley Quinn could rock, if... by kdoc13	Aug 26th, 2008 01:01:24 PM
If they played her like more of a psychotic Depeche Mode fan, or something out of a Marilyn Manson video. Very dark, very much in the Joker's footsteps. Some white skinned, black haired goth chick who loves to lick knives and cut herself, I could see that. But doing the cartoon version of Harley we already know, I just can't see that in Nolan's universe. I still say 3 should be the Clock King and Ridler. With Crispin Glover as the Tempus Fugate, and Jake Gyllenhall as Ridler.
Joker should have an Asylum scene by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 01:02:43 PM
With no makeup. Ledger laid fantastic groundwork, but let's not put the character to bed just yet. There's still much more Joker to smile at.
Two Face died by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 01:03:57 PM
In the script, his neck is broken. Same in the book adaptation. Who knows if they'll stick to it, but yeah, in the script he's dead.
By George, I've GOT it! by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Aug 26th, 2008 01:17:04 PM
Eva Green as the Joker, Daniel Day Lewis as Catwoman! Don't any of you SEE?!
I've got it by Aswann	Aug 26th, 2008 01:24:24 PM

I've got it by Aswann	Aug 26th, 2008 01:25:49 PM
Bring Joan Collins back as The Siren. Failing that, Eva Green as Catwoman would be easy on the eye at least.
You guys really like Eva Green? by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 01:33:15 PM
Don't get me wrong, great actress, beautiful and talented. But Catwoman? I always thought someone a little more... mischevious. Like Cher.
Charlize Theron by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 01:44:55 PM
for Selina Kyle. Former dominatrix. Fed up with her dead-end life and inspired by Batman, she dons a costume and becomes a thief. Using her newfound identity, Catwoman gathers a small fortune and moves Selina Kyle from the slums of Gotham to the high-society crowd. Eventually she meets Bruce Wayne, and decides to rob this spoiled, rich prick for everything he has. But she becomes intrigued; is he really a mindless playboy, or something more...
Children of Crap by maddox	Aug 26th, 2008 01:45:00 PM
I wanted to like CoM, but when the movie ended I was wondering what all the hype was over. The movie sets up interesting questions and then fails to answer any. Why the heck are all the women infertile? Was the Tomorrow really the Human Project's ship or just a Government red herring? And what is up with the cow with all those mutated utters?!? The kid could be in the Government's hands for all we know at the end of the movie! I know Alfonso hates exposition, but throw us a bone here. That's lazy cop-out storytelling... like the alien in Contact looking like her father. Children of Men shouldn't be compared to The Dark Knight.
She might be a Cougar... by tvspace	Aug 26th, 2008 01:51:30 PM
... but she's no Catwoman.
that idea by mrbong	Aug 26th, 2008 01:52:17 PM
someone had of The Riddler as a bounty hunter is the of the usual fan wank bullshit thus far.
thanks unknown user by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 02:12:25 PM
That was my fave scene from TDK. The nice thing is when you see the movie five times, reading Joker's lines feels like he's in my head.
by wookie1972	Aug 26th, 2008 02:27:29 PM

The third movie should be based on No Man's Land... by wookie1972	Aug 26th, 2008 02:28:13 PM

No catwoman - FUCK! by dirtsandwich	Aug 26th, 2008 02:36:24 PM
Keep this dark and grim. We don't need some puss running around jacking up hormones. Keep Two-Face in the mix and bring on a new villain. Even though Oldman is fantastic as Gordon, he's way under used here. I would like to see his character do the same as Harvey/Two-Face but be even nastier. Oldman could change into The Riddler. He even said he'd like to take a crack at it. Now you are talking an explosive character then. I'm undecided about them adding The Joker at all anymore. As of Cher as Cat Woman, stupid. I don't want to see that character. But I will say she does lick herself a lot.
damn, sorry, third try by wookie1972	Aug 26th, 2008 02:39:20 PM
I think No Man's Land would make a good template for a third movie - not a direct adaptation, but just take the idea of a natural disaster destroying rule of law in Gotham. Penguin could be a sort of benevolent crime lord a la Denzel Washington in American Gangster - one who claims to be "a man of the people," whereas Batman would become deeply unpopular. They tried something similar in Batman Returns, but it bogged down in the end. Ultimately, I think the Nolan version is not so much about the villains as it is about Batman's relationship with Gotham itself. The third movie should challenge that relationship.
Cher "might be a cougar, but she's no Catwoman..." by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 26th, 2008 02:43:24 PM
Maybe my quote of the week.
dirt sandwich by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 02:49:54 PM
you think gordon should turn into the riddler..?
I agree the movies are about Gotham by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 02:52:52 PM
Whatever the plot of the third, Nolan has established a firm link between Batman and his city. I think a mob-enforced bounty on Batman would be damn interesting. Joker was hired to kill the Batman. he failed, who does the mob hire next? Someone smarter.
I agree the movies are about Gotham by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 02:53:08 PM
Whatever the plot of the third, Nolan has established a firm link between Batman and his city. I think a mob-enforced bounty on Batman would be damn interesting. Joker was hired to kill the Batman. he failed, who does the mob hire next? Someone crazier, or smarter?
Cat Woman would actually by papabendi	Aug 26th, 2008 02:53:08 PM
make sense. After the death of Rachel the character isn't going to want to drag another woman into his stuff until he comes up against a hot woman who lives just as fucked-up a life as he. it could only work with another villain involved though.
Nathan Jones as Bane by Andillformthehead	Aug 26th, 2008 03:11:47 PM
No CGI or practical effects needed.
Last Cleric by malificus	Aug 26th, 2008 03:17:06 PM
SO, you're gonna tell me that the nightclub scene where Bat Man waded through the crowd punching everyone with the flashing strobes wasn't very-much like the incomprehensable bar scene fight in DD? Of course you aren't because I seem to have stepped all over your sacred cow, so sorry. I could have sworn there was a Dark Knight discussion going on here, isn't that the POINT of a discussion board? I'll see your obnoxious, vindictive ass right here a few months from now when the DVD comes out and the movie has cooled off considerably and people can gain some much-needed perspective on this heavily flawed movie. Even a classic choad like you can't seriously believe I have nothing better to do than bait asswipes like yourself just to get your ATTENTION? I care more for stepping on a slimey worm on the sidewalk after a rainstorm than one fucking wit about getting the attention from some purile dicksmacker like you. I stand by my opinion and will gladly discuss the particulars with any rational and half-way intelligent person who'd care to differ, the essence of the DISCUSSION BOARD. YOU, however, are welcome to wrap yourself in your Bat Man beach towel and throw yourself off the nearest bridge, ASSHOLE.
what kind of sucks by palooka_boy	Aug 26th, 2008 03:17:52 PM
Is that they've said they don't want to re-do any previously done villains, but there's not a whole lot of options left if you stay "realistic." I mean, you could probably do the Mad Hatter, but I think he's a bit gimmicky. Then again, you probably could have said the same about Scarecrow. I think the key to keeping these movies good, realistic and true to the Batman stories is finding ways to reinvent a character just enough that he can fit in with the mafia. I think The Penguin could be it, but haven't the Nolans said they don't want to do Penguin? It's a tough call. I'd say Two-Face is alive in a third movie, because finding another villain to stand on his own the way the Joker did for the bulk of TDK is going to be downright improbable.
I say... by Darth Macchio	Aug 26th, 2008 03:31:57 PM
...if this obscene rumor even gets repeated by anyone involved in the Nolan camp that we should all go out and get so much plastic surgery that we have a perpetual look of surprise from the nose up, and extreme boredom from the nose down. Cher was never a hideous woman but now she's has this creepy mask thing goin on with some creepy cubist mannequin face. May as well get some aging porn star who puts an extra inch of lipstick on her face around her lips so she ends up looking like some kind of deflated sex doll. Creepy I say! Creepy!
That chick from "Wonderfalls" as Catwoman by The Ape Giggins	Aug 26th, 2008 03:34:39 PM
Caroline Dhavernaus or whatever...it will work, trust me!
Selena Steele, from Curse of the Catwoman by Ultron ver 2.0	Aug 26th, 2008 04:10:34 PM
those of you trained in the art of fap know who she is.
Does Heath believe in life after love? by Klytus_I.m_Bored	Aug 26th, 2008 04:20:32 PM
??
Evan Rachel Wood should play Selina/Catwoman by CarmillaVonDoom	Aug 26th, 2008 04:23:50 PM
Period.
I'm up for the Riddler by Film_Junky	Aug 26th, 2008 04:29:40 PM
All other remaining villains in Batman are too lame or too unrealistic. Clayface and Mr. Freeze (except for the Arnold version) are both cool, but they wouldn't fit in the more real and darker Batman universe Nolan has given us. Penguin wouldn't be as bad as Catwomen, but fucking come on really? Penguin is pretty lame
Just to be clear by the fightin weasel	Aug 26th, 2008 04:37:49 PM
I agree that Cher as Catwoman is BS. On the other hand, I could see her as Clayface!
Cher as Catwoman? CHER. CEE AITCH EEE ARR. by DatoMan413	Aug 26th, 2008 04:49:37 PM
heh. hee hee. haa. HAAA HAA. ahaa. ha. HAAAAW. And I thought MY jokes were bad.
malificus by DennisMM	Aug 26th, 2008 04:57:03 PM
While I don't care for the anger - I fall into it too easily, myself, and try to avoid it for that reason - I love your sentiment. Here's to reasonable civility and debating the virtues and vices of the work!
weasel by DennisMM	Aug 26th, 2008 04:58:08 PM
For Cher to play Clayface, her face would have to be capable of movement. Nolan doesn't like digital, after all. Heh.
Children Of Men Is A Masterpiece by Broseph	Aug 26th, 2008 05:11:51 PM
THAT FILM IS FUCKING AMAZING.I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE SET DESIGN.THAT'S WHAT I IMAGINE AN APOCALYPTIC CHAOTIC WORLD TO LOOK LIKE. I'd still fuck Cher
The Penguin by werewolfbynight	Aug 26th, 2008 05:15:32 PM
I apologize if a talkbacker has already consicered this. This is just dreamcasting on my part. I need Patton Oswalt to play The Penguin. Just the thought of Patton in a tux and monocle intrigues me. He tweaks his voice a wee bit and voila instant penguin.
The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom by Broseph	Aug 26th, 2008 05:18:50 PM
No dude i have yet to see tdk either
I still think Riddler makes sense by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 05:19:32 PM
If the third is an intricate detective movie then he's the most logical choice.
Daniel Day Lewis as Riddler by JohnBigtoe	Aug 26th, 2008 05:20:34 PM
Imagine a Daniel day Lewis playing the Riddler with the same menace he played Bill the Butcher. As for Catwoman, forget it, she would ruin the story, leave Catwoman to the comic books only please.
Ben Foster? by earl of sandwich	Aug 26th, 2008 05:40:06 PM
Sorry if has been said up above (I was away on holidays, not like you give a shit), but what about Ben Foster for Riddler? It seems every one is looking for creepy, skinny guys, and well, he's the creepiest of the skinny guys (who can act). Too young?
If Cher is cast, will they call her Cougarwoman? by r_number6	Aug 26th, 2008 05:51:09 PM
Actually Cher may be well past the Cougar cut-off age, assuming there is one.
Ben Foster is awesome by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 06:03:39 PM
Phenomenal actor. I think he's my number 2 choice to pick up the Joker. I imagine his version of Riddler to be highly intelligent, but also very sadistic. Not the type that would kill (like the Joker), but would definitely watch. Maybe record.
Nolan should do Catwoman (giggity) by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 06:05:44 PM
She's a classic rouge and there's no love interest with Rachel gone. Unless he brings in Talia, which is fine by me (Sophie Marceau please).
Children of Men Is A Good Movie by Iowa Snot Client	Aug 26th, 2008 06:10:37 PM
As much as they went to great pains to show how shitty it was to be an immigrant/refugee in Britain, you have to imagine the place from which these immigrants/refugees were fleeing really sucked. You have to imagine it because they didn't explain it.
thematic villains by stickmangrit	Aug 26th, 2008 06:43:09 PM
consider that every villain Nolan has used so far has been the personification of a thematic concept: Ra's: Ends justify the means Scarecrow: Fear Joker: Chaos Dent/Two-Face: Vengeance and rage in BB, they gave us the escalation theme, which was carried through completely in TDK. at the end of TDK, we're left with redemption, "people deserve to have their faith reaffirmed." fuck it, i'm to worn out on this shit. i'm gonna go argue with southern evangelicals now to relax.
Anyone want to see Nolan fit Superman in by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 06:47:14 PM
Superman watching Batman, evaluating his methods? I'm sure the boy scout would have been watching Batman after his first emergence. After the papers start calling Batman a cop-killer, I could see Superman investigating for himself. I trust Nolan to handle Superman. More than Singer, anyway.
Who strecthed out the TB by Phategod2	Aug 26th, 2008 06:49:22 PM
any ideas.
How can you go from Heath's Joker by slugbat	Aug 26th, 2008 07:09:43 PM
to fucking Catwoman? Count me out if Selina Kyle does anything more than bat her eyelashes at Bruce Wayne. I proudly lend my voice to the "joyless fanboy douche" contingent loath to a new, fucking retarded Batman with Catwomen, Banes and other cartoony villians.
Catwoman isn't "cartoony" by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:13:45 PM
Jessica Rabbit is. Catwoman is a jewel thief with an anti-hero streak. I can see her working in a realistic film (Entrapment, Point of no Return)
why by illegaltouching	Aug 26th, 2008 07:27:18 PM
why does catwoman have to dress as a cat to steal jewels?
It could be worse by The StarWolf	Aug 26th, 2008 07:29:23 PM
Even if the wildly improbable came to pass and Cher did get the part, look at it this way: she'd still do a better job of it that Halle Berry did in her unbelievably awful movie.
Joker Gordon Levitt by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Aug 26th, 2008 07:33:52 PM
The answer is FUCK NO about Superman.
Joker Gordon Levitt by Ace of Wands	Aug 26th, 2008 07:35:56 PM
you've just shot your whole argument for Catwoman in the foot by claiming that Entrapment was a realistic film- how can anyone take you seriously after insanity like that?.
Catwoman dresses as a cat by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:36:03 PM
because she likes cats and uses their image to emulate their characteristics. Batman dresses as a bat for the opposite reason, to use his fear to intimidate others. Its deep, bro.
Entrapment > Catwoman (movie) by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:38:52 PM
is what im saying. No one called Entrapment cartoony. Tongue-in-cheek maybe. My foot feels fine.
Dickblood by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:40:56 PM
Do you think they should ever have the characters meet? I trust Nolan's direction more that Singer's (in regards to Supes. Singer's a great director otherwise)
Entrapment Levitt by Ace of Wands	Aug 26th, 2008 07:42:41 PM
you obviously didn't read many British film critics; I suppose there was one realistic element though, it showed CZJones falling for an old wrinkly, just like real life! Or perhaps real life is just a cartoon. Makes more sense that way sometimes.
Viggo Mortensen by zooch	Aug 26th, 2008 07:43:29 PM
Is an interesting choice for the Riddler. Not who'd you'd expect, could really disappear into the role, and is as fearless an actor as Heath Ledger was.
lasers by illegaltouching	Aug 26th, 2008 07:44:22 PM
wearing a catsuit wouldn't make it any easier for zeta jones to dodge those lasers
Viggo rules by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:46:26 PM
in general.
Jones in a catsuit by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:48:09 PM
No, the tail would be fairly impractical. But the latest version of Catwoman (by Adam Hughes) is a great update. Very thiefy
Paul W. Reubens as The Riddler by hallmitchell	Aug 26th, 2008 07:52:19 PM

Woah, someone brought out Pee Wee by Joker Gordon Levitt	Aug 26th, 2008 07:56:20 PM
THAT would be a trip Mr mitchell
Riddles and Magic Tricks by zooch	Aug 26th, 2008 08:08:37 PM
Remember the Prestige, how the whole film kinda unfolded like a magic trick? Well the plot of the next Batman film could unfold like a riddle. I bet Nolan could do an AMAZING detective story with twist and turns that only he does best. Batman could be investigating the Riddler ala Zodiac. There's nothing wrong with changing The Riddler to a murderer instead of a thief. You have to up the stakes in the sequel. He could be like John Doe in Se7en; leaving clues, wanting to be caught, wanting to be eventually murdered by Batman, making Batman break his own rule.
arc by illegaltouching	Aug 26th, 2008 08:09:40 PM
catwoman's story was fine in returns, do we really need to see it again?
Thanks Dennis by malificus	Aug 26th, 2008 08:27:12 PM
I really appreciate it. The thing that offends me the most is that I carried the banner HIGH for this movie for months before the first pics started showing up online and I was RABID about seeing it as soon as possible. The very idea that I would knock it just to piss people off is stupid beyond rational thought, I simply would like to talk about my impressions of the flick after the fact with other genre fans, what better place than here? I've got infinitely-better things to do than cast my line in the water just to pull in carp, I honestly was seriously disappointed with this movie but it seems universally adored and I don't think it means my taste is "shit" just because I didn't fall in love. And god almighty I WANTED to love it, and I did love Heath, man that hype was warranted, he was truly great.
And in the spirit of the thread... by malificus	Aug 26th, 2008 08:28:57 PM
..Sean Penn for ANYONE. I don't care what villain he plays, get this guy in a comic book movie because his chops are going to waste.
According to Frank Miller, Catwoman dressed like a cat... by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 26th, 2008 08:31:18 PM
...because she was copying Batman, an idea that fits in with Nolan's universe, kind of like how Nolan used the Sons of the Batman idea from DKR for Dark Knight.
Catwoman should be a prostitute by zooch	Aug 26th, 2008 08:54:17 PM
Like the ones in Sin City. One day she almost gets raped, but she's saved by Batman. She gets inspired and starts dressing up like a cat and kills men who proposition her. Batman gets obsessed with her.
That seems a litle too by Phategod2	Aug 26th, 2008 09:03:29 PM
Fucked up PETA would over that shit in a heart beat and I dont think I could stomach that let alone fine it sexy.
Helena B. Carter Will NEVER Be Catwoman!! by Jose_Jones	Aug 26th, 2008 09:37:25 PM
She's kinda with Tim Burton, I don't think they're married (might be) But I know they Live together, and have Made Babies together..(or just one baby)...either way. Her doing another Batman, with another Director..(I know most you guys haven't had relationships before)...but that kind of shit Don't fly...He'd get all "Closer" on her..like "How does Chris Nolan do it, does he Do it better than me!?"..Yes I just quoted "Closer" in a TDK talk back..fuck it Quint referenced Children of Men..(which is a great fucking flick)
Fergit Hoffmann as Penguin..... by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Aug 26th, 2008 09:37:37 PM
He's already done the creepy arms-dealer thing, remember? MI3? I've got an idea for an out-of-left-field casting choice for the Penguin (Whom I fucking hate, so the actor would have to really interest me): Malcolm McDowell.
villain void left by Heath Ledger's Joker.????? by j2talk	Aug 26th, 2008 10:05:32 PM
WTF, sure I am going to get flamed, but seriously, he can be replaced, he did a good job but he is not irreplaceable, slap the make up on and there are plenty of actors who can play the part.....that said, lets see some other villain than the Joker, the Batman mythos has PLENTY, one go around with the Joker and the 2 -all be it brief- with the Scarecrow was enough...
malificus by stickmangrit	Aug 26th, 2008 10:44:13 PM
honestly, the performances were enough for me. were there a handful of continuity discrepancies that bugged me from the first time i saw it? yes(if anyone can map out what the fuck was going on in that underpass i'd greatly appreciate it). the best description of the post-party i've heard was: Joker knows there's no way in hell he's going to beat Batman without a human shield, and he just tossed his off the roof. he knows that that can only end one of two ways, A) she's dead, and Batman's pissed and is on his way up or B) she lived, and Batman's pissed and on his way up. the goons just got the shit kicked out of them, and they ain't goin anywhere any time soon. Joker bailed on all of them while everyone was distracted by Rachel's impromptu sky-diving. but back to my view of the film, yes i noticed these things while i was watching the film. all six times(including two IMAX screenings) and they bugged me for all of two seconds until Joker, Dent or Gordon started talking again. i got to see the finest villain of any storytelling medium receive the perfect on-screen interpretation, and could not give a shit less about anything else. every time the Joker was onscreen, nothing else mattered. and it really didn't diminish at all upon multiple screenings. i walked out of the midnight screening knowing exactly what it felt like to be one of the first to see Empire Strikes Back, and there's really not a damn thing that will take that away from me. this was a perfect Batman/Joker movie, and the fact that a genius interpretation of Two-Face, coupled with it's current status as the #2 grossing movie of all time was just icing on the glorious, glorious Bat-cake.
unknownuser by stickmangrit	Aug 26th, 2008 10:53:06 PM
have you read a single fucking Batman comic book in your god damned life, or are you just a troll? that was not a "total redefinition" of the Joker, that was THE JOKER, just as Alan Moore, Denny O'Neil, and several other great comic writers have penned him. the only real difference was the scars, the makeup, and the fondness for knives over Smilex. other than that they NAILED the character just as he was in the comics. Nolan didn't "re-invent" the Joker, he just made his character work within the world he'd created for Batman. what you're suggesting is an idiotic emo-Burton-Eli-Roth-esque exercise in cinematic abortion, not to mention wholesale rape of the source material. so please, take your shit photoshopping and shove it up your pimply fan-fic writing ass. p.s. die in a cat fire
ok, never mind by stickmangrit	Aug 26th, 2008 10:56:28 PM
you're a troll. carry on sir, and good work, you got me. or you're high off your ass, in which case, fuck you. so hard to find good connections in a new town.
How about Ali Larter as Catwoman? by Chishu_Ryu	Aug 26th, 2008 11:12:24 PM
She's pretty hot, already has super-hero experience, and is still kind of unknown...
"Glorious Bat Cake" by malificus	Aug 27th, 2008 01:14:30 AM
Heh-heh, that's awesome dude.I did love Heath, won't quantify that at all, a million little things he did made it incredible for me, the literal performance of a lifetime.
Jesus... Catwoman = Robin = Mr. Freeze, people by slugbat	Aug 27th, 2008 02:13:01 AM
If you think Catwoman belongs in Nolanverse, just throw Robin in there too: It's all going to hell then anyway. And I spurted my morning beer all over my monitor when I read that guy's argument about Entrapment = Realism. Hilarious shit! He must have thought Batman and Robin was a documentary. By the way, while I love TDK like no other, don't for a second think that Nolan can't fuck up a third movie. No director is money every time. Hell, I'm not even that hot on Batman Begins. A director is always on the leash of his source material...and CATWOMAN is a great example of the wrong sort of it. Why must we get an entire new set of villains for a third film? My wet dream for 3 to have Ra's a Ghul return to dispatch the Joker with extreme prejudice. Ra's has always been my favorite villain in the Batman stable -- until Nolan's/Heath's Joker that is(I am in the "Get A New Actor For Joker" camp, btw). There is no more satisfying foil for Batman than Joker. Finally, AMEN to the gentleman that referred to Eckhardt's Two-Face as genius. I empathize with the character more with each repeat viewing.
I think the lesson we've learned from The Dark Knight by Sepulchrave	Aug 27th, 2008 05:14:12 AM
is that you DON'T cast people who 'instantly spring to mind' when you visualize the characters from the comic books. Hoffman is versatile enough to play the penguin, as a straight gangster boss with pots of cash and no quacking or magic umbrellas, but will you please stop with the 'I know a thin springy grinning comic who would look good in a spandex suit covered in question marks' There will be no green suit. No question marks. The Riddler should be a vicious serial killer who leaves evil clues, like the guy in Se7en.
And NO Catwoman by Sepulchrave	Aug 27th, 2008 05:16:09 AM
Catwoman is just a 60's sexpot. Urtha Kitt. She is a sop for sexually frustrated men. She is Batman's girlfriend. She is stupid and sexist and a vamp. If you're going to put in a woman, make it a good one, not some pouting nonentity in a leather suit.
Adam Hughes illustration of Catwoman. (Link) HOT!!!! by JDanielP	Aug 27th, 2008 08:04:48 AM
http://goodcomics.comicbookres ources.com/wp-content/uploads/ 2007/05/CTW-Cv70.jpg
(Close both gaps in link provided, above.) by JDanielP	Aug 27th, 2008 08:07:37 AM
Wow! I am stunned every time I see that.
Real cats huh? by samurai sark	Aug 27th, 2008 09:31:24 AM
nope, don't see it. I'd rather see Entrapment.
slugbat by stickmangrit	Aug 27th, 2008 10:30:04 AM
and once again, this goes for half the talkback, but why the hate for Catwoman? the Robin hate i can understand, though i still believe that character can be pulled off, though it would be tricky as hell. but Catwoman is one of the most important characters in the whole mythos, and it's a perfect point in the story to introduce her. not only that, but she's another normal human in a costume, which we're running low on at this point in the franchise. what unnerves the shit out of me is this protest is coming mostly from the same fuckers who want the next one to be a Se7en/Zodiac rip-off with Riddler as a fucking serial killer, or are clamoring for fucking Lazarus pits whilst bitching that Catwoman's unrealistic. seriously folks i don't get it, what the fuck is so terrible about Catwoman? so far all i've heard is "don't do characters we've already seen" after brilliant interpretations of Joker and Two-Face(and often from dipshits supporting Riddler), or out of hand rejections equating her to Robin and Mr Freeze. cna anyone provide me with a thought out reason WHY the character shouldn't be in this franchise? and no, Halle Berre doesn't count, if anything the cleansing of that turd from our collective subconscious is MORE reason to do the character right, not to mention we've got at least three years to go before the next flick(assuming Nolan still does it). and on another note, there's only one role Daniel Day Lewis should ever play in Batman, and we won't need him unless Oldman ducks out of his contract.
Patton Oswalt? I like it. by wookie1972	Aug 27th, 2008 12:12:34 PM
But I also, on a completely different tack, think McDowell would be good, too. McDowell could also make an interesting Mad Hatter (no, I don't know how they could make him realistic).; Viggo is a brilliant choice for Riddler!
The Joker originally wasn't dunked in acid... by wookie1972	Aug 27th, 2008 12:20:48 PM
His Red Hood origin was introduced until the 50s. Jerry Robinson didn't attach an origin to him when he created him. Also, a later version suggests that he was disfigured by a batarang. So Nolan didn't exactly redefine the Joker, but he didn't follow the established character to the letter, either.
Eva Green or Emily Blunt? by Cat_Corporation	Aug 27th, 2008 12:36:42 PM
I got no problem with Catwoman in the next one, as long as they make her dangerous rather than camp. It'd sure be a different villain dynamic for Batman - I think The Riddler might come across as too similar to TDK, which might be tricky. And I really don't like the Penguin. But please, no Angelina - it's way, way too obvious.
I don't remember Joker being a "terrorist" by zooch	Aug 27th, 2008 03:31:15 PM
Especially not one like the way we think of the word. I think Nolan added that.
Lucas Black as "Stool Pusher" by Stuntcock Mike	Aug 27th, 2008 04:49:26 PM

New and Improved Joker products! by samurai sark	Aug 27th, 2008 05:11:41 PM
With a new secret ingredient... Smilex... Uh-oh, looks like he's been using 'Brand X' But with Joker products, I get a grin.. again, and again. That lusciouos tan...those ruby lips.... and hair color so natural, only your undertaker knows for sure.
Amy Winehouse as "Crackhead" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:25:07 PM
Good one!
Lindsey Lohan as "Firecrotch" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:26:33 PM

Britney Spears as "Baldy" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:27:58 PM

Paris Hilton as "StupidFuck". by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:29:43 PM

Rip Torn as "The Tractor" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:34:29 PM
because he was ripped.
Mel Gibson as "Sugar Tits". by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:35:45 PM

Mickey Rourke as by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:36:50 PM

Mickey Rourke as "The Scooter" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:37:40 PM

Vince Vaughn as "The Brawler". by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:38:48 PM

Paul Reubens as "The Whacker" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:50:05 PM

O.J. as "Ginsu" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:52:49 PM

Mike Tyson as "Chewy" by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 05:55:47 PM

Joseph Gordon Levitt should be the Joker.... by llac12	Aug 27th, 2008 06:01:34 PM
if they ever make a third one (I hope not) I´m totally serious. Look at him. He looks a lot like HL: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm033 0687/
Fuck yeah he does by dirtsandwich	Aug 27th, 2008 06:15:21 PM
There you go. You just found yourself the return of The Joker in the 4th installment.
I guess Cher is only being considered for the role... by The Ape Giggins	Aug 27th, 2008 06:50:55 PM
...because Estelle getty recently died. YES, I WENT THERE!
Verne Troyer as Bat Sprite by Iowa Snot Client	Aug 27th, 2008 07:17:10 PM
You know this to be inevitable.
Iowa Snot Client by stickmangrit	Aug 27th, 2008 08:29:56 PM
it's Bat-Mite.
zooch by stickmangrit	Aug 27th, 2008 08:45:07 PM
not that anyone's still reading this, but i'll post it anyway. you're right, the Joker was never explicitly referred to in the comics as a "terrorist." this bugged me at first as well, but think about it. he regularly blows shit up, holds hostages, and creates mass panic and fear in the interest of furthering a goal. the shoe fits. he's not referred to as such within the comics because A) the character was created DECADES before the term even entered our collective lexicon, and B) within the comics, he's one of hundreds of other costumed maniacs running around doing the exact same shit. in a universe where superheroes are commonplace, he's a super-villain. in a world where Batman's the only costumed vigilante around, and the Joker's really the first of his kind to pop up publicly(remember, Ra's remains largely unknown to everyone but Bats, and Scarecrow's still readily identified as Dr. Crane at the end of BB) he's classified with a readily available and apt terminology: terrorist. it's really just another example of Nolan inserting this mythos into a real-world(ish) environment.

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