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AICN TABLETOP: 4E GSL woes!!! And What the Hell is DESOLATION???

I have no clue what i just clicked into!!!??? by FILMFUNK	Aug 9th, 2008 08:07:08 AM
is dungeons and dragoons type milarki!?
Gnome Hater! by Redmantle	Aug 9th, 2008 08:12:53 AM
For shame
Bernie Mac, RIP by JoeSixPack	Aug 9th, 2008 08:37:03 AM

Nobody Seriously Plays These Games Do They? by A-COD	Aug 9th, 2008 09:05:14 AM
I know a decent amount of people and I do not know one person who has played a tabletop game in 10 years. My wife's cousins's husband was into Heroclix like 5 years ago but he even admitted it was stupid and stopped. I'm not calling for Massawyrm to stop because I actaully read this column, but it's worth saying that the thought of actually playing any of these games has never even crossed my mind. I keep waiting for a decent D&D videogame. I got the PSP Tactics a few months back played it for 15 minutes and literally threw it in the trash.
Surely the only ones playing these games are by theycallmemrglass	Aug 9th, 2008 09:19:13 AM
the mid 30s to mid 40s. I cant imagine any one younger hooked into this because of on-line gaming. However, to those who dismiss D&D on tabletop because there is online gaming is missing the point. Online gaming, networking etc creates bigger nerds than before. People go out less. Less face to face socialising. At least with D&D there is an element of face to face socialising and hey, there's far more chances of having sex with a female gamer than online...even though those chances are actually slim... Oh and holly shit, RIP Bernie. Fuck thats way way way too young to die, especially now he was approaching the more comically cynical time of his life. There was a lot more comedy to come from him.
Why did you throw the game in the trash? by Fat and Curious	Aug 9th, 2008 09:20:47 AM
You could have returned it and got your money back. That sure was a waste.
White Dwarf by theycallmemrglass	Aug 9th, 2008 09:21:53 AM
Still in publication. Thats symbolic enough to prove D&D is alive.
Saxon by jeffdo	Aug 9th, 2008 09:32:04 AM
Computer RPGs involve zero imagination. Staring at a screen and continually selecting x, y, or z array element to trigger x, y, or z animation/sound sequence? Yeah, your generation sure does have gaming figured out.
Massa needs to cover some of the White Wolf games. by MrGonev5	Aug 9th, 2008 09:52:21 AM
White Wolf is releasing the new Hunter game at Gencon. :) BTW, I make character sheets for White Wolf games: http://mrgone.rocksolidshells. com/ And yes, there are people who still play pen & paper RPG's.
D&D not dead... by Bigstadder	Aug 9th, 2008 10:00:43 AM
Thats just crap. The longevity of this game has shown MMORPGs will come and go, but D&D will live on forever. I have run school based D&D campaigns and they have continued on after I moved on. Those with imaginations will continue to be draw to all pen and paper type gaming for years to come. Don't get me wrong, MMORPG's have a place and alot of my friends are into them, but most enjoy kicking it back and RPG'ing in freedom.
Bernie Mac has fucking died by barnaby jones	Aug 9th, 2008 10:00:53 AM
He was the best thing about Transformers.
What a shame about Bernie Mac by OBSD	Aug 9th, 2008 10:12:07 AM
He was a funny guy, even if he was in Transformers.
Fat and Curious by A-COD	Aug 9th, 2008 10:14:08 AM
I bought it on ebay. I know I could have traded it in but it wasn't worth the effort for the 6 dollar trade in. The game was just so tedious I was excited about the concept, they were attempting to reproduce the table top experience. The execution was awful, unplayable.
By The Way by A-COD	Aug 9th, 2008 10:15:48 AM
I can't believe I'm having an online conversation with someone named Fat and Curious. This seems like the kind of thing you can get arrested for.
Fantasy but not D&D by enderandrew	Aug 9th, 2008 10:22:29 AM
I'll take Exalted and/or Earthdawn over D&D any damned day of the week. D&D itself was once a cheap knock-off, stealing quite liberally from Tolkein except the Hobbits became Halflings.
Need to put Bernie MAC in Deities and Demigods!!!... by babblerouser	Aug 9th, 2008 10:23:03 AM
Cuz he IS a Comic God! Anyone who came up like he did gets my respect.
So is this the Bernie Mac topic? by Underdogthe3rd	Aug 9th, 2008 10:37:08 AM
Where is the official?
Wrym by Bloo	Aug 9th, 2008 10:37:37 AM
I gotta say, I actually read this column every week, I haven't done trad. pen and paper campagins in forever but appciate the hard work you put into this btw where is gencon being held at? Finally to one of the OKC, Godspeed adn God rest
Re: Bloo by MrGonev5	Aug 9th, 2008 10:40:34 AM
Gen-Con is held in Indianapolis at the Convention Center, downtown.
I don't understand this thread's title AT ALL... by mr_macphisto	Aug 9th, 2008 10:42:37 AM
...but, since we don't seem to have an official Bernie Mac thread, this'll have to do. RIP.
D&D is as dead as... by CharyouTree	Aug 9th, 2008 10:44:23 AM
Berni...naa too soon
Good news and Bad news by Underdogthe3rd	Aug 9th, 2008 10:52:55 AM
Bad: There isn't a Bernie Mac thread. Good: There isn't a Scrip Girl thread.
I miss Alternity by Reverend Toast	Aug 9th, 2008 12:08:13 PM
Even though the system itself was complex, i think Alternity had the fastest and fun gameplay of any of the more "modern/SciFi" based games. D&D is fun, but its about attaining power, Alternity was about becoming better at what you did... but you never really became godly.
why do people still play D&D? by DrLektor	Aug 9th, 2008 12:22:37 PM
An internet RPG is all well and good for some, after all, loosing yourself in a online fantasy world, for inexpicable reasons doesn't get as much stick as "group of nerds in a basement rolling dice". It's obvious why D&D appeals to me, for one I get to hang with friends and drink beer with them, smoke, laugh and make a night of it. As someone mentioned above, the imagination used in such a game is more potent than a computer based one. Fight monster, level up, fight monster, level up, buy weapons, fight bigger monster, level up, get killed by elitist scum that spend more money and time on the game than you do, start over. That's not fun and IMO it's the epitome of the modern nerd which I've now come to despise. I plan on spending tonight with mates, watching a movie, having a drink and playing a game that we control, rather than one that control us. Come out of your bedroom gamers! Make some real friends.
Where's the Bernie Mac death thread? by TheBoManKicksAssAndTakesBlame	Aug 9th, 2008 12:33:01 PM
10:30am Pacific time and Harry still hasn't posted a gushing obit on Bernie Mac! Where's the love?
CharyouTree by MattmanReturns	Aug 9th, 2008 12:33:21 PM
How's it feel to be a walking piece of shit?
Spymunk 13 by Nearside	Aug 9th, 2008 12:47:24 PM
The only thing it has in common with RIFTS are words like "post" and "apocalypse" and "the" and that it uses dice.
I can't believe aintitcool by Rat Fink	Aug 9th, 2008 01:03:31 PM
doesn't have anything about Bernie Mac. Comingsoon.net is such a better site. Thier shit's always up-to-date unlike this bullshit ass second rate site.
Bernie Mac by Nearside	Aug 9th, 2008 01:08:35 PM
Harry is probably taking his time to compose something decent about BM rather than rush something out. Chill.
Fuck! Bernie Mac gave up the ghost.. by Stalkeye	Aug 9th, 2008 01:09:25 PM
Rest in Peace man,first Carlin now Mac. Who's next Mencia? Sad year for comics I tell ya.
My two copper pieces... by Lord Haw Haw	Aug 9th, 2008 01:16:51 PM
1. As usual, it's good to hear from all the anti-D&D people that think they're too fucking cool for the room. Last I checked, this was one of the geekiest sites on the Internet. I will not begrudge anyone's right to their opinion in an open forum, but let's get real here... 2. Bummer about Bernie Mac. Still one of the best Def Comedy Jam routines ever. 3. I went to GenCon last year for the first time, and enjoyed the hell out of it. It's like a geek Woodstock. GenCon is to nerds what Mecca is to Muslims. Make the trip. 4. Still kickin' it 1st Ed. and damn glad too, from the sounds of things. Fuck WotC.
Stalkeye... by mr_macphisto	Aug 9th, 2008 01:34:47 PM
"Who's next, Mencia?" We can only fucking hope, friend. We can only fucking hope.
Mencia is wack yo!! by Harold-Sherbort	Aug 9th, 2008 01:45:56 PM
If he died, it would probably erase some of that karmic debt that I hear so much about. Stealin' jokes is bad business. But when you steal bad jokes, well that's just sad.
MattmanReturns by CharyouTree	Aug 9th, 2008 02:23:25 PM
feels..goood.
WotC: The Microsoft of RPGs. by Royston Lodge	Aug 9th, 2008 03:56:38 PM
Not long after Vista first came out, store were actually selling copies of XP for a higher price than Vista. Today, I see similar phenomena at game stores. Anybody hoping to pick up cheap copies of the 3.5 Players Guide will be sorely disappointed. I just wish Mongoose could put out a 3.5 version of their Pocket Player's Guide. AFAIK, it's stuck at the 3.0 ruleset. Point's moot, I suppose, since you can easily play with nothing but the SRD, and enough people have websites with the 3.5 SRD in an easy-to-read format that WotC can never shut it down.
Response to the "It's the 21st century" whines... by Royston Lodge	Aug 9th, 2008 03:59:37 PM
My buddies and I all bought MMOG games and gave LAN parties a shot. We quit pretty quick. Tabletop is more fun. Computer games require the players to conform to the limitations imposed by the designers. Tabletop imposes no such restrictions. You don't like a rule? Don't use it. Try doing that with World of Warcraft.
I tried WOW and I thought it sucked by Ko-Dan_Mothership	Aug 9th, 2008 04:32:09 PM
It's either for people who can't muster up enough friends to play real D&D, or can't muster up enough basic hygene to take a daily shower. Here's a tip for you WOW wannabes: Prioritize - Sometimes taking the shower actually helps you get the friends. Just want to throw that out there.
Wow, Massawyrm by The Thinker	Aug 9th, 2008 05:19:16 PM
You and the rest of your staff have seriously got to start proofreading your articles before you post them. You come off as one of the dumbest sites on the internet.
thanks MrGonev5 by Bloo	Aug 9th, 2008 06:53:05 PM
appciate the response, I can't make it but I was curious as to where it was at
4th Ed. is Shit by Duke of Hurl	Aug 9th, 2008 08:26:41 PM
Check Paizo.com to see who's really carrying the torch...
Lord Haw Haw by Dingbatty	Aug 10th, 2008 01:23:58 AM
Ditto on your feelings toward WoTC and 3rd and 4th bastardized editions (though I actually enjoyed 2nd ed under TSR). Castles & Crusades at Troll Lord Games is the true heir of OD&D.
Like this column a lot by Cyrus Clops	Aug 10th, 2008 04:04:32 PM
I'm actually surprised AICN didn't have an RPG column sooner (but then again, I thought the same thing about their comic book section). I find all the weird intra-nerd snobbery towards gaming here a little weird, but I for one really like this column, and think Massawyrm's taking the right approach to it: a little news, a little commentary, something mainstream (read: D&D), something a little more obscure (i.e. everything else). I'm interested to see how the GSL situation plays out. And I agree some White Wolf/WoD coverage should be put on the docket (and Mr. Gone's character sheets are indeed very good; he's well known for them on White Wolf's boards).
How 'bout this - don't buy 4E, don't play 4E. by scrivener	Aug 10th, 2008 05:08:58 PM
Personally, I think 4E sucks... and hard. For starters, the loss of a few very staple classes and races, replaced by new ones that are so retarded they make the screaming mongoloid next door look smart. Then there's the whole "power" system. It's not fun, it's not logical, it's not reasonable, and it's a pain in the fucking ass. My group stopped playing DnD a while back and thought we'd give 4E a shot - but not only is it terrible, this GSL legal nightmare ensures that there's no market for players OR third party developers. So you know what - fuck you WoTC. We're not buying your shit OR playing your game. GURPS, here I come. http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/l ite/
Landshark is OGL by Calastir	Aug 11th, 2008 01:31:55 AM
To clarify; The classic monster you mentioned; 'The Landshark' AKA 'Bulette' is part of the OGL. BTW: 3E 4ever!!!
So... Desolation is WARHAMMER? by Voodoodolly	Aug 11th, 2008 07:54:57 AM
Humanity is broken, scattered in small camps fighting for survival. The magic that destroyed all you knew also mutated animals and creatures and released magical beasts long thought extinct from the bowels of the earth. Few trust magic at all anymore, treating most sorcerers like the Colonial era puritans treated witches. There is no law and packs of bandits raid what communities are left for supplies. Now. Doesn't that sound like WARHAMMER?
But seriously by Voodoodolly	Aug 11th, 2008 08:05:44 AM
Thank you for this part of Ain't it cool. I dig the gaming reviews. and Mencia can fuckoff.
Voodoodolly by Nearside	Aug 11th, 2008 09:01:20 AM
The society in Desolation is gone, totally shattered, but yeah, shades of Warhammer. Better comparison than Rifts, at least. Imagine Warhammer if the Empire had fallen and you're getting there.
You're welcome Bloo by MrGonev5	Aug 11th, 2008 07:34:30 PM
You're welcome. Yea, I was wanting go too, but I won't be able to make it this year. I'm going to for next year.
Oh, and krack by MrGonev5	Aug 11th, 2008 07:34:55 PM
Yes, there's a new Hunter game coming out. It;s going to damn awesome too.
Thanks Cyrus Clops by MrGonev5	Aug 11th, 2008 07:37:47 PM
"..and Mr. Gone's character sheets are indeed very good; he's well known for them on White Wolf's boards. " Thanks, glad you like my stuff. Yea, I'm all over the boards there, and I even have a section on White Wolfs sites for my sheets. I have my own site as well, but they thought it would be cool to host some of my stuff there too, so they gave me access to upload whever I wanted of mine. I thought it was pretty cool of them to do.
GSL to be Updated by Jindy	Aug 12th, 2008 01:28:43 PM
Just an FYI, per Wizard's of the Coast: Wizards of the Coast announces a forthcoming revision to the Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition Game System License (GSL) and System Reference Document (SRD). “We recognize the important role third party publishing support plays in the success of the 4th Edition of Dungeons & Dragons. We have listened to the community and our valued colleagues and have taken their concerns and recommendations to heart. Our commitment to the health of the industry and hobby gaming lifestyle is reflected in the revisions to the Game System License.” --Linae Foster D&D Licensing Manager While the delivery date is not yet firmly established, the revised documents will be available in the very near future. The new fan site policy, to be made public at a later date, will be posted upon completion.

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