Hmmm, no you don't know that tiger? Well go back and read the actual artical, you will see it doesn't mention the holocaust anywhere in it sport.

Also, Jack Palance won best supporting actor for City Slickers. He loved those one armed pushups.

A more stupid, ill informed baseless rant I haven't seen in ages. What's the matter Ganymede? one of those despicable uppity black people steal your girlfriend? "Jewish" Bank Manager not approve your loan?

Or, as I suspect, are you a narrow minded little tool that has to categorise people by race to make yoursef feel more secure in your misreable existance?

You. Complete. Cunt.

I really came in here to say what others have already said. They're all speaking German to each other. So in no context would anyone be speaking English with a German accent.

And Mel Gibson's approach isn't ideal either. When I watch a movie I want to appreciate the acting and the cinematography. Having to read subtitles takes you out of that. Of course in the case of an actual foreign film, subtitles are better than dubbing but that's unavoidable.

Really the best solution is what they did in 10,000 BC and just say "fuck it" and have everyone speak English with an American accent. It's anachronistic and retarded but once you get past that, you're free to enjoy the shitty CGI, terrible acting and lame story.

and the movie was bad ass.

we didn't live through those things. they were as big in shaping this country/world as anything else. do you think they should just disappear into history and not get taught or thought about by people today? is that how we should go about becoming a better society?

and don't bitch about remakes and shitty comic book movies and bitch at a project like this as well.

fuck beans.

Controversy aside, Cruise is a great actor when he tries to be, and Valkyrie sounds interesting. Silly accent or not.

And Enemy at the Gates/Stalingrad was indeed badass. No silly accent = better movie all the way.

I think Toms German voice must've been sooo shit the rest of the cast were all told not to show him up so now I have to sit in the theatre getting pissed off at the lack of decent line delivery until i 'Get used to it' !? WTF?

Let me guess -- Jews?

Cretin.

You've got nothing.

If its the next Saving Private Ryan (which was 5 minutes of glory and 85 minutes of card-board characters and hammy acting), then why are they hiding in tin cans until winter after the summer blockbusters are already gone?

See what I'm getting at here? There's a lot of nuance here and screaming "racist" at people who feel that there are other ways to right the balance is foolish and inaccurate.

Also, there is nothing in those statistics which states that "most Americans" feel blacks should "get over slavery".

In other words, fuck off.

One of the integral parts of the Union which was to be preserved was the abolition of slavery in all states. The South broke free to preserve their slave economy. If the abolition of slavery weren't such a big thing to the Union, they wouldn't have pushed the issue in order to preserve the Union as the Confederacy would never have formed in protest. No matter how you slice it, slavery was THE big issue of the Civil War.

There was still segregation in many parts of America during WWII. Does this mean America shouldn't have fought the Axis along with its allies?

"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, (August 1, 1858?), p. 532.

I'm by no means saying he's a humanitarian, but one can throw around many quotes to try and make oneself 'right'.

And I think you, Doc, Gany, Node, have all valid points. I firmly believe that racism is alive and well within America, perhaps not out and out demonstrative as it was in the past. But it is most definitely there.

Fuck, I wish an apology was all it took to eliminate racism. It could be argued that since the government is supposed to be for the people, by the people, that it is that very people that should apologize, regardless of when it happened. I understand where both sides to this are coming from. While we are not responsible for prior acts of racism/slavery, etc, there's no doubt we have the responsibility to fight it now.

I seriously hope that fuckheads like Jew Hunter and Bonzai are the extreme minority.

BTW, I realize you were the subject line Laserpants, but my little spiel was directed only at you. I apologize if it seems so.

What about all those other examples I mentioned? What about blacks who don't feel an apology or even reparations are the right way of going about it? Are they racist too? Or just "uncle toms"?

Try not to be so myopic.

The only example of revisionism here is yours.

As for Lincoln, look up "straw man argument" like I said.

Again I ask you: did the segregated America that fought WWII have no moral authority in facing down the Axis?

That's.... mind-boggling.

Ganymede did not provide any hard data to back up his claim that "most Americans" think blacks should "get over slavery".

No, not once did you ever try and create this so called distinction until you started backpedalling. Even so, you have said other things that brand you a racist. Remember the comment about everyone should be able to 'own' a Black? If I may borrow a line from the LiberalWarrior, You are a racist piece of baboon shit.

Lame.

You're so off the mark when it comes to the Civil War that I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Each time I've pointed why it would have made more sense to ignore the issue of slavery in order to preserve the Union, you have ignored it, as you have ignored my twice (now third) asked question about WWII-era America.

You racist cunt.

Again, I must refer you to the examples I listed of various reasons why people could have answered that way.

Is she a racist?

Your Lincoln quote proves nothing.

2) The fact that abolishing slavery complicated preserving the Union?

I eagerly await your replies.

You're a cunt.

Specifically over whether or not States had the right to allow human beings to own other human beings as slaves.

Yeah yeah I know its such an insignificant difference, but Southern Hillibillys are pretty insistent that we clarify this insignificance.

there really is no need to be so rude to each other, for crying out loud. and don't take the above as being for slavery or anything stupid like that, it is disgusting. and also yes i think one can make a movie about the second world war without being guilty about not making a movie about slavery straight after

I was a fan of Singer's "Usual Suspects" and a lesser fan of "X-men." "Superman Returns," however, was one of the biggest piles of garbage I've ever seen. Thus I'm skeptical of Singer now. I question his decision-making and wonder whether he's completely lost it. I hope not, but he'll have to have to hit one out of the park to lessen my skepticism.

If German accents aren't ADR-ed into the film, I'm going to skip "Valkyrie" entirely. That's how much the first trailer made me wince. I was actually embarrassed for Singer.

Get your shit together, Bryan, and don't puss out on the details that create drama. American and British accents saturating a serious film about Nazis is laughable. Case in point: "Schindler's List." Did even one character speak with a non-German accent in that film? No. But imagine if they had. Tension destroyed. Foreign atmosphere annihilated. Jewish Holocaust survivors shaking their heads.

Do the right thing, Bryan. Go with accents. It'll make a huge difference.

Using German accents in a film with only German characters is completely retarded.

As for your death toll figure, it's more along the lines of 1.5 to 3 million dead (conservative estimates say 500,000 to 750,000). However, Mao did kill more of his own people than Hitler and Stalin combined during his rule so I'm nitpicking, really.

Also, did you know Adolph Eichmann waqs Jewish?

Hey Doc - you watch the Olympics?

And are you sure there aren't characters in "Valkyrie" that aren't German? The French waitress? The Czech baggage handler? I say it's horrible idea to have high-ranking Nazi officers speak with non-German accents. Just my opinion.

Germanic accents are hard to pull off. The speaker usually ends up sounding like an Agent of KAOS from the old Get Smart TV show or an extra from Spring Time for Hitler.

Also, a good example of the strange dichotomy existing in those who served the German cause and fought under the swastika, without ever truly swearing philosophical allegiance to Nazism.

If you think Blacks are at the bottom now, oh nigga, wait until our economy continues to merge with Mexico's. Bush trade secretary, in an extended interview on NPR, said that with regards to immigration, we need MORE migrant workers from Mexico. Yes, he said MORE. Because our economy "needs low skilled" workers to work our farms, and if they don't our farms will be outsourced to Mexi-fucking-co.

At the same damn time, our unemployment rate is rising, (with a large percentage of the unemployed being black). Asked about this obvious contradiction of high unemployment and need for labor, all this Bush antichrist lackey could say was that those jobs are low-skilled and the unemployed are educated.

So do you see what Bush is doing? He's trying to merge our economy with Mexico's by a massive influx of illegal, cheap, practically slave-wage labor, and eventually through a linkage of infrastructure, too.

And once that's accomplished, blacks will be in the worse position by far, when even the American middle class has been destroyed.

Reparations? Holocaust? Give me a break, your future is pretty bleak - never mind your past. Even middle class Jews should be concerned because the Zionists don't regard them as original Jews. Obvously, since they were made to be sacrificial lambs for the greater cause of creating Israel.

Whereas I can always tell when I hear a poor German accent. It's not terribly hard to speak with a convincing German accent, expecially for actors trained to do such a thing. It's true comically exaggerated German accents like those of KAOS agents are out there too, but lots of good actors have pulled off convicing facsimiles in their performances. It's not hard. It just takes some effort. But, of course, Tom Cruise has never played a character with an accent ever. Not once.

Coincidence?

An accent is not needed to show that the actors are German, especially since they are talking in English. The audience understands that the characters are actually speaking German.

Also my friend I'm not sure if I have ever heard a convincing German accent but I'm willing to concede the point because somebody will point out so and so in some movie and I'l then go Duh how could I forget that.

Or Benny Hill doing his German shtik. Crazy!

No matter what was said by Lincoln at what stage, and no matter what deals were struck with border states, the overriding goal of the preserved union was to end slavery.

Circular arguments can be trotted out where the timeline of officially stated policies are shown as proof that slavery was a minor issue, but the fact is that it was the most immediate goal of the preserved union -- regardless of what Lincoln said to soothe the fears of the general populace in certain states where fear of emancipated blacks was strong.

As a homage to the style of the superman movies it was spot on so I didn't hate it, I mildly found it entertaining, not great but not bad.

Both you and Xiphos have made solid arguments as to why German accents aren't necessary for "Valkyrie" to be good. I'll concede your points and try to keep an open mind.

And maybe use the visual of a man so fucking stupid he needs a helmet to exist as inspiration for a Comedy Central pitch. Thanks for that.

If only out of curiosity, if you open your mind to the mere possibility of these secretive dealings shaping our world and look at current events through that prism, a lot of things make sense where they didn't before. Everything from trade, immigration, war, economy ... everything.

For starters, if you're curious, check out on Google video the documentary "Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement" and this website: http://www.illuminati-news.com /mission-statement.htm ...

RIP Bernie Mac

now there is a comedian who's death IS a shame.

Please hold off on the Alex Jones Defense. I've heard him for years on Coast to Coast AM and I've seen info wars and prison planet I'm familiar with his brand of BS. Answer this one question for me without recycling Jones defense. If Alex Jones is such the scourge(his words) of the Bilderbergers and the Bilderbergers bosses, the all powerfull Illuminati, why is still alive?

Check that never mind. I'm not even going to bother.