Fuck.

No guilt there at all. I fucking LOVE Starship Troopers and for every single one of the reasons I just mentioned.

oh yeah 21 feet

Don't act like an elitist because you think you "get it" more than someone else.

Yes, I get it. The joke is on the audience. We're cheering for Nazis. I "got it" when it was made obvious ten minutes into the film. I got it more when I read the book. 10 years before the movie came out.

Doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't bring this movie up during a thoughtful film discussion. It's kitsch. It's low-level satire. It's also fun.

I'm sorry you wouldn't dare bring this up during a thoughtful film discussion. And I am very sorry you sound like Memories of Murder's gay brother.

Now fuck off and die sir. Goodnight.

yeah, the thing about wolf creek (which i'm huge on but it was ok) is that in oz there really are these little communities, many of them dieing and they are like traveling into a different world. Most of them are really great salt of the earth types but it is a bit like texas chainsaw massacre or whatever, you get off the main road and you could be anywhere. The difference is that the desolate parts of oz are seriously big. Oz is the size of the us, but has like 5 cities, all around the edge of it. Imagine driving from the east coast to the west coast and hardly seeing a single person the whole time. australia is like that

Lick me. Lick me raw. Doc:

I am "oddly resentful" because Verhoven butchered my favorite book of all time. What could have been an amazing sci-fi drama turned into an epic-budget B-movie.

I'm still holding out hope that we'll see a miniseries of the book done right. Which will never happen, unfortunately.

Yeah, Verhoven: "Kill 'Em All". "We'll Keep Fighting"... and all that bullshit. Blahblahblah.

Thank god I will never be in a "thoughtful film discussion" with Playkins. What a joy-draining twat.

I'm not a wrestling fan and I don't eat fried food, so we'd probably have nothing in common.

Oh and Australian guy, I thought the "based on real events" thing in Wolf Creek was kind of cheating, wasn't it? I mean, the killer wasn't caught or anything, it was just "People have gone missing in Australia" = "Based on a true story". Yes? No? Anyway, I remember Vern bitching about this.

You pretentious douche.

I guess the fact that my favorite book isn't "Harry Potter" or "Da Vinci Code" offended your high-brow taste.

You want to compare reading lists you little twat? Go right ahead

Now I'm gonna have to watch it over again and appreciate her sexiness on a whole 'nother level. I didn't even know what she looked like without her Vulcan makeup on.

In my experience, the people most often offended by Verhoeven's treatment of the book are the ones who didn't get Heinlein's much more sly critique of society and had taken the book to be an endorsement of their own far-right political thoughts. The second group understood Heinlein's critique and felt that Verhoeven's take was much more ham-fisted. The third and largest group are the asshats who didn't even understand Verhoeven's satire. My favorite group, however, is the bunch who started out as members of group 3 and, like Van Dien, are pretending that the joke wasn't on them after the fact.

No, must just be you, huh?

My first post (that spawned the "you don't get it" crap):

"It was fairly obvious it would never get a good sequel. I actually enjoyed the forst[sic] one. It was cheesy, guilty fun that made fun of it's audience. The CG show was a lot closer to the Heinlein novel, though."

So fuck of if you don't like it, me, or what I have to say. Why don't you look back at your 03:15:44 post and think about whether or not it comes off a little backhanded.

If you're not one of those people then you shouldn't feel offended. If you are one of those people and you are offended, then you can just kiss my ass.

But, surely you can understand how I'd assume you meant me if I was the one being addressed.

Some of you people really make my brain hurt... this is what being a zealot must feel like.

*starts pounding own forehead and making mewling noises like Rain Man*

Once again, way to miss the point in what DocPazuzu and Playkins were arguing about.

And stop lying. You don;t have mates. You either have people that barely tolerate you, or orderlies paid to look after you on day release from the "Special" home.

If you're going to insult me, then at least try to do it in a recognisable language.

Now fuck off and fetch my dry cleaning. Bitch.

You know, even BSB finally admitted to being brokebackcowboy so why this insistance and claiming you're not BRU? Come clean, you'll feel much better about yourelf if you do. There is no shame in having been banned.

Good point about Verhoven pushing the theme to absurdity, which you eloquently explained and was exactly the point I was trying to make when I said he butchered the novel.

I'm with Playkins all the way on this one.

If you had any sense you'd be ashamed of yourself for being so condescending.

The fact that Verhoeven's film is a more simplistic version of the story is irrelevant.

Wow, either way I'm shocked that his books would be used in Europe to propagate stereotypical American ideals.

Something that comes off as fascist or can be construed as pro-Nazi is going to ruffle feathers.

That would be Voltaire's CANDIDE. Just as well you know the name of one of your "favourites". I suspect you actually read the York notes on it when you were studying French.

Could you be any more of a pretentious, yet crushingly stupid, dick?

What you, an Iberian cocksmoker living in the early 21st, have in Common with a Kulak being purged and sent to the fucking gulag can be put on the back of a stamp.

I know I'm British, so do not consider myself to be European (we don't), but there is nothing in your makeup that suggests that you are in the least bit "savvy"- and we (much more than you) have produced almost every great dystopian novel so can not only see it coming a fucking mile away but comment on it.

"a mode of writing that exposes the failings of individuals, institutions, or societies to ridicule and scorn." Oxford English Dictionary.

1)Find one instance of me saying Lennon is a hack. One.

2)Don't fucking tell me what we consider ourselves to be. The vast majority of us do not consider ourselves European. In fact we make the distinction as to "continental" or "mainland" should give this away. Geographically we are European, but not culturally. So give that up.

My guess unless you are 50 is NEVER. Therefore, you know as much and have actually less understanding of fascism than I do. (I only say less, because of the ludicrously fascist policies that have been enacted in Britain.)

You can still smoke in the pub in Portugal. We can't- and before you tell me that isn't fascist, the first country to try to Ban smoking was Nazi Germany.

This is an important distinction as it helps illustrate my point that the current government puts more extreme policies in place than anywhere else in Europe.

But good try.

Idiot. If you had any class you would admit you were wrong, but you don't so you won't.

I mean blow up in a good way though.

I sort of feel bad leaving the other talkback though.

We really do not have a lot in common with Europe.

Yes the propaganda pieces in the film are also what makes it a little different than the normal sci-fi film.

Without that angle I don't think it would be as well remembered as it is today.

Think you'll manage?

And before we get settled here, let me make an alternate suggestion.

I think this should be our new home. It's a week old, but it's for a great old movie that needs to be on dvd, and for the remake of it. Take a look. But I think we should go HERE. I at least want opinions from everyone.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node /37718

Mind you, Poor old Cary Elwes.

He has blown up like you wouldn't believe.

I'm talking Val Kilmer syndrome and more chins than a Chinese phonebook.

No one cares hon, just get nekkid please.

If you took a vote in the UK tomorrow on whether we should stay in the EU, then I honestly think that it would be at best close but more likely a resounding NO.

And Danny, you still need to watch Bermuda Depths when you get a chance.Carl Weathers vs. giant sea turtle. You know you want it.

Seriously though, I see exactly what Jarv is saying. There are a lot of similarities between England and Canada, what with the commonwealth and all. And Nova Scotia is perhaps the most "fascist" of all the provinces as they have initiated the same anti-smoking bans that exist in England. Not only are all bars and pubs smoke-free, but merchants can no longer display smokes in the open. So if you go in to buy a pack of cigs, the cashier has to go to the backroom to get it. And that meant that merchants had to retrofit their establishments to hold the smokes that previously were kept up front.

Imagine walking into a humidor and finding the shelves empty.

Very well done on the youtube edit.

And frankly, AICN has more to be ashamed of than your moniker.

Shit, this was our opportunity to spread the word of 2for2true to the world.

The broadcast would have sent a shiver down the spine of shitheels everywhere.

Bow down to the Rex!

I just don't like that little bastard.

Or I could be completely wrong.

Fucking pussy-ass-muthafucker dollar. Rub some dirt on it!

Danny, your tin foil hypothesis is intriguing. Especially if it's true Kevin Smith mentioned you also on a separate occasion.

No one is interested in sending a box of #2 pencils to the office of Judd Apatow? Christ, I'm on a mailing spree right now, why stop?

Even though he was right and Devin is a dick.

Yech.

Living in london is the equivalent of smoking 3 fags every time you get the tube, so why do I have to stand in the fecking rain when I'm having a beer if I want a smoke?

I'll move on from this now.

Are there any new releases coming that may distract?

Frankly, I could care less if it's a Cuban cigar or not, as a tasty cigar from Honduras is as good as a tasty cigar from Cuba, but maintaining a 40 some year old embargo that was nothing but a grudge gone wrong in the first place is one of the worst foreign polices the US has ever had the shame to be associated with.

And yes, the Dominican Cohibas are better IMO and a Macanudo or Feunte go great with a glass of Sandeman.

There's one thing I don't miss about Canada. The so-called Sin Tax on booze and tobacco. A 5 dollar cigar here will cost you 15 up north. And you're hard pressed to find a six-pack of ANY beer under $10.

Got the same inflated taxes of those items in England, Jarv?

Does anyone else think Roth is a talentless hack whose only association with Hollywood should be cleaning Paul Rueben's and Andy Dick's splooge off a porn theater floor?

Done now.

This time, however, you fail massively on every level- You don't know the name of your favourite book. (Priceless, and it wasn't a typo as you did it twice), You purposefully misinterpreted a post of mine to lie- and when presented with a challange are now taking your ball home- as I said, if you had any class you would apologise, you have been called out for gross stupidity and blazing hypocrisy, which you are continuing with by having the fucking brass neck to call someone else uneducated when you fell flat on your ass over Voltaire and obviously understand neither irony nor satire.

Fuck off, grow some fucking humility and then come back when you have something to contribute to this topic. Because at the moment all you are doing is polluting a B-movie thread with ill-informed, offensive, presumptious rants.

Oh wait, who am I talking to? Never mind.

And politics in here?!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

He'll go soon.