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It's ROBOCOP vs. Reimaginatron!!

Yeah, let's ignore Verhoeven's Robocop by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 30th, 2008 07:46:22 AM
Another great idea from Hollyweird.
First by Laughing Irishman	Jul 30th, 2008 07:48:03 AM
YES
Douche by Laughing Irishman	Jul 30th, 2008 07:48:57 AM
I now hate myself
I'm okay with this. by scudd	Jul 30th, 2008 07:49:31 AM
I know I shouldn't be, but I'm actually looking forward to it.
This may the scariest thing I have ever read by IAmMrMonkey!	Jul 30th, 2008 07:49:35 AM
Not only did it contain the word "reimagining" but the line "felt some 'hotter' talent should be brought in..."like Len Wiseman". I just shit myself in pure fear.
The only Aronofsky I liked was Pi... by rev_skarekroe	Jul 30th, 2008 07:50:08 AM
...and that was basically a ripoff of Tetsuo the Iron Man, but with math. Requiem... was a buffoonish look at drug addiction and The Fountain was a trip to the new age bookstore in movie form. Here's hoping he surprises me with this one.
Fucking morons! by Sailor Rip	Jul 30th, 2008 07:51:00 AM
"Non of the earlier films are canonical" Yeah, why not just erase the influence, intergrity, and continuity of one of the most brilliant Sci-Fi films(1st one) ever created.
M-O-O-N. That spells "well, fuck it then" by Tom Cullen	Jul 30th, 2008 07:52:57 AM
Sounds pointless, useless and various other things ending with 'less'. Sure, Aranofsky's makes it more of a curiosity piece than it otherwise would have been, but this still feels about as good an idea as Robocop 3. And ignoring Verhoeven's original Robocop? That's an element of stupidity that not even Robocop 3, the shitty tv series and that horrible miniseries succumbed to doing. Just...wow.
I don't know how much worse it could be.... by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Jul 30th, 2008 07:54:36 AM
Aranofsky has talent that's for sure, but for fucks sake this needs no reboot. If you must ignore the past then whats the fuckin point. The first Robocop is more relevant now than when it was first concieved. It's easy guys, do a Singer, except ignore part 2 & 3. Rerelease Robocop(hey even clean up the FX, after all I still own the original), and hey presto, a new franchise with a perfect first movie.
YES! by WolfmanNards	Jul 30th, 2008 07:57:24 AM
This is fucking great! DARREN ARONOFSKY! FUCKING R RATED! AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RATED! This is going to fucking rock. This is perfect. FUCKING PERFEC! I was pissed at first because this is something that could easily have been fucked up by the studios, but so far they are on the right track.
I wanna see a lot of blood and violence by ingloriousjedi	Jul 30th, 2008 07:57:43 AM
As for casting? I dont know the character too well...but off the top of my head...Jude Law.
"I'd buy that for a dollar" by ingloriousjedi	Jul 30th, 2008 07:58:35 AM
Should be in this film
Boooooooooo! by DerLanghaarige	Jul 30th, 2008 08:00:05 AM

by ominus	Jul 30th, 2008 08:03:05 AM
another day in an aicn talkbacks,where the boys again havent read the full article. the producer says,it will be more like a direct sequel to the original movie. a reimagined sequel,a requel that is.just like superman retuns supposed to be.damn girls,read before you argue...
Morons by judge dredds fresh undies	Jul 30th, 2008 08:04:19 AM
Hope Aronofsky can steer this away from the shit pile.
"Incredible Robocop"... by Kid Z	Jul 30th, 2008 08:06:19 AM
...more action and thrills... but somehow suckier anyway.
RE: omnius by Dangerousapple	Jul 30th, 2008 08:07:45 AM
"None of [the earlier films are] going to be canonical, as a matter of fact," Fischer revealed. "I wouldn't say it's a direct sequel." Doesn´t sound like a reqeal AT ALL, my friend.
*Costume department take note. by TheJake	Jul 30th, 2008 08:07:56 AM
Let's "reimagine" Robocop in a black leather and plastic jumpsuit... and be sure to accentuate the crotch and nipples. And instead of a gun, give him a sword... and instead of the character being a man, make it a woman... better yet, an asian woman... and set the film in Tokyo instead of Detroit and... How about you JUST LEAVE THE FUCKIN MOVIE ALONE!!
Aronofsky and the R will never last by filmcoyote	Jul 30th, 2008 08:08:45 AM
Not a chance, they'll get scared about giving Aronofsky the huge budget for the ideas he comes up with and boot him off late in the day so they can bring in a hack like Ratner or Wiseman last minute (read that as always the plan) and score a PG-13. And Verhoeven's film not relevant - the brilliance of RoboCop is its ability to remain so relevant! I like Aronofsky and some of David Self's work (though let's remember he wrote the 1999 The Haunting!) but this re-whatever is a hideous idea. Oh and Medavoy, noone prefers the word "reimagining" it generally strikes more fear into the heart than remake, douchebag!
Wiseman instead of Aronofsky? by newc0253	Jul 30th, 2008 08:09:51 AM
i smell quality!
In other words, it's a remake by BenBraddock	Jul 30th, 2008 08:10:38 AM
Fuck it
Where's your partner?!? by Project424	Jul 30th, 2008 08:14:18 AM
It's a simple idea, but there are a bajillion ways to fuck it up. I just hope he isn't web 2.0ified... that would suck. Unless, of course, he accessed it with a huge metal spike sticking out of his hand.
DH4 was unforgiveable by all	Jul 30th, 2008 08:19:35 AM

Robocop??? by Rick Flemming	Jul 30th, 2008 08:19:49 AM
Isn't that the one with the guy who eats rudimentary gruel? I turned it off after that. Kiddie shit. flemmingonfilms.blogspot.com
at some point Jaws will be remade too. by ronniepooch	Jul 30th, 2008 08:20:00 AM

Get away from me, man! by Project424	Jul 30th, 2008 08:22:48 AM
Also, an R Rating isn't all that and a bag of potato chips when it comes to Robocop. What worked with Robocop back then is they created a futuristic society that actually resembled a futuristic society. How do they pull that off today? By throwing in a bunch of useless gadgets? By adding a bunch of BDOs to an already recognizable skyline? Or, are they just going to play it in modern day Detroit?
Flemming by Spyhunter	Jul 30th, 2008 08:24:42 AM
The Matrix had gruel, Robocop had "rudimentary paste" AND baby food. And nobody cares about your blog.
They don't deserve Verhoven by kafka07	Jul 30th, 2008 08:26:41 AM
He's moved on to better things than dealing with snot-nosed douchebag studio types. Aronofsky sort of redeems the whole situation a little, I definitely trust him far more than Wiseman.
Jonathan Violence by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 08:32:04 AM
Thats coz Robocop3 is prettey damn shit, 2 is ok to good and Robocop1 is one of the best SciFi/Action movies of all time.. As for these 2 producers. I havent wanted to kick shit out of someone so much in a long time did someone really pick Len Wiseman of Verhoven? And a Fuckin REBOOT? how are they gonna top the scene were Murphy dies or Clarance and his crew who are without a doubt one of the best gang of baddies in the 80s, Isnt there no way we can start something to get Verhoven off the Thomas Crown Affair 2 and take back his fuckin baby?? BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN YOU STUPID CUNTS!!
Spyhunter by blackhole4140	Jul 30th, 2008 08:33:56 AM
I second no one caring about Flemming's blog.
Len Wiseman Is Definitely Hotter Than Paul Verhoeven by TroutMaskReplicant	Jul 30th, 2008 08:36:52 AM
I was looking at pictures of them both and my expert opinion is that Len Wiseman would definitely make more money selling his body on the streets of L.A.
So basically this isn't ROBOCOP...it's an IRONMAN... by FlickaPoo	Jul 30th, 2008 08:37:31 AM
...knock off. Just trying to cash in on the current popularity of dudes in bitchin metal duds...
Requiem for a Dream by enderandrew	Jul 30th, 2008 08:40:54 AM
Buffonish? You sir, are an idiot. Requiem for a Dream is one of the single finest movies I have ever seen. That being said, The Fountain was pretty lame. I think there is a nice concept there amid great visuals that just fails in execution.
Can you fly Paul Verhoeven? by BatPsycho	Jul 30th, 2008 08:41:59 AM
toss that guy out of the back of a van quick!
Rick Flemming Is Also Hotten Than Verhoeven by TroutMaskReplicant	Jul 30th, 2008 08:42:49 AM
"Was fired from TV guide, and Comingsoon.net, and now I am on blogspot!" I am shocked! But he'd also make more money than Verhoeven on the streets of L.A.
Hell, why not get George Lucas to ruin Robocop by Mr Slippy Fist	Jul 30th, 2008 08:44:03 AM
Seriously, if they really want to bury this movie before it starts, get George Lucas to add all CGI, some monkeys, Ewoks, and walkie talkies instead of guns. The movie will make 300 million and it will be more kid friendly!!! No thanks. I'll take my Robocop from 1987.
Aronofsky is... by onephatnelly	Jul 30th, 2008 08:44:34 AM
... one arrogant twat to say that none of the earlier films are canonical. Kiss my ass.
Hotten? No, Hotter by TroutMaskReplicant	Jul 30th, 2008 08:45:03 AM
Hotten compiled lists of slang.
RINO! RINO! RINO! by Montag666	Jul 30th, 2008 08:45:09 AM
Robocop in name only. Hollywood, just come up with your own fucking ideas already! What's gonna happen in the next 10 years? Copies of copies? And I believe this is the beginning of the end of what could have been a brilliant career for Aronofsky.
I would gladly suck... by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 08:45:13 AM
VERHOEVENS COCK, plus hes Dutch, you knows them guys are kinky.
Verhoeven not relevant by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 08:45:49 AM
"Daddy, when I grow up can I be a producer like you and piss on people's careers?"
onephatnelly by enderandrew	Jul 30th, 2008 08:50:49 AM
Aronofsky didn't say that. His two producers said that. In an earlier interview, Aronofsky said this would be 20 years or so after the last one. So I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page. Either way, people seem to forget that Aronofsky pushed for the Batman "reboot" and did a bunch of pre-production work on what eventually became Batman Begins. Everyone agrees that was the best remake/reboot of all time. Given Aronofsky's involvement in that, I think he should get some slack with this one until we learn some more details.
Verhoeven... by StarskyandHushky	Jul 30th, 2008 08:52:37 AM
...proved he can still make excellent movies with 'Zwartboek'. Well, at least he proved it to me. It was a return to previous covered grounds for him, yes, but it was expertly made, entertaining, and more surprising than anything to come out of Hokeywood for the past year. So I say give Verhoeven back his Robocop. If he 'Starship Troppers' it up for this decade, it could be awesome.
Aronofsky and Wiseman... by Samplelord	Jul 30th, 2008 08:56:53 AM
Is like Laurel and Hardy starring in a Lethal Weapon remake... None of these two have any kind of skill or record in making a extreme R rated action movie with multiple subtexts...Wiseman makes and writes kid movies and Aronofsky makes movies that are slow paced mind trips at best...he could remake Verhoeven's the 4th man, which is the only movie of Verhoeven that resembles what Aronofsky is doing. Very poor choice indeed....
Just as long as... by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 08:57:44 AM
"Bitches Leave" is in the new script I'm good. Best one liner ever.
The last time they had a "reimagining"... by HoboCode	Jul 30th, 2008 08:59:46 AM
It was the shit-tastic Planet of the Apes remake. sorry.. "reimagining."
Lets ignore verhoeven????????? by Seth Brundle	Jul 30th, 2008 09:00:58 AM
yeah thats like saying "lets ignore Lucas for the next star wars film".......wait...that may actually be a good idea lol
Robocrap by FILMFUNK	Jul 30th, 2008 09:03:15 AM
Well maybee not if Aronfunky does it but i hold THe original in the same High esteem as stuff like Alien, American Werewolf and The Thing so the only way I'd ever be OK with this is if Vorhoven did it and even then I'd be scared pissless it was gonna suck like a Lucas!
The producers dont have a clue... by wowsah156	Jul 30th, 2008 09:03:41 AM
This "reimagination" wont even come close to touching the satire of the original Robocop. and the violemce in it was grim and brutal. Cant see it even being replicated decently.
Requiem For A Dream by Autodidact	Jul 30th, 2008 09:03:45 AM
I love how the first thing every hopeless nerd who learns to unlink audio and video in editing software does is find their favourite piece of footage and lay down the Requiem For A Dream music over it. Nothing makes me click away from your video clip faster than if it has that fucking music over it.
and for christ sake....dont redesign the suit by Seth Brundle	Jul 30th, 2008 09:05:47 AM
no stilized, modernized, on with the times shit, i can already see them.... "the robocop suit has been enhanced with nipples and stylized lines cause we know the fans wanted to see something new for robocop.." CHRIST!!!! now im in panic about this project
"Hey, Naomi has got more heat" by wowsah156	Jul 30th, 2008 09:06:55 AM

They'll have a twink sized Robocop... by NiceGuyEddie19	Jul 30th, 2008 09:09:14 AM
Doing ninja moves and acrobatics, with Batman-like gadgets and toys.
Serve the Public Trust by tomdolan04	Jul 30th, 2008 09:12:54 AM
Protect the Innocent Uphold The Law Jump On The 'ME TOOOO MENTALITY' bandwagon for Batman reboots Classified:- Slide Wiseman in to direct in a couple of weeks
Get Verhoeven back you fucking idiots! by photoboy	Jul 30th, 2008 09:13:00 AM
The man is a genius as long as you stop him making porno, and he's far more relevant than Wiseman or Aronofsky. Seriously, if this film is a fucking mess it will be directly down to the lack of Verhoeven.
IAmMrMonkey and filmcoyote by reaper28	Jul 30th, 2008 09:14:53 AM
You are soooo right. I just hope that regardless of who directs it, it gets a writer with the subversive wit of Edward Neumeier (co-wrote RC and wrote the screenplay for Starship Troopers) Otherwise it's gonna bi another generic cyborg sci-fi film - YAWN! Fingers crossed.
Verhoeven is a dude by Mr Gorilla	Jul 30th, 2008 09:16:16 AM
And his mad ten or so years in Hollywood was one of the things that kept mainstream movies edgy (not just graphically, but politically) during the fairly soft 80s / 90s. Robocop and Starship Troopers being highlights. The latter is STILL relevant. This 'reimagining' nonsense fucks me off.
Len Wiseman by Judge Briggs	Jul 30th, 2008 09:21:21 AM
The 'director' who got VERY lucky. He is a hack. Nothing appealing at all about his direction. Great. Lucky bitch gets to bang Beckensale though.
where does he get this authority by ArcadianDS	Jul 30th, 2008 09:25:06 AM
to declare all previous movies as 'non-canonical' ?
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Aronofsky could be the one to best Nolan... by pipergates	Jul 30th, 2008 09:29:53 AM
at making fine movies out of pulp-material. Cant wait to see something that is both full of action and mayhem and is cleverly executed too.
So it's not a sequel. And it's not a remake. by Knuckleduster	Jul 30th, 2008 09:29:55 AM
Reimagining. Great. Oh well, maybe they can breathe new life into the character. It's all the rage after Batman Begins. At least it's Aronofsky.
Aronofsky by SuckLeTrou	Jul 30th, 2008 09:33:32 AM
isn't suitable for licking dog shit off Paul Verhoeven's penny-loafers.
"Reimagining" is just a euphemism for remake by Sithdan	Jul 30th, 2008 09:36:07 AM
I don't see any difference. This new Robocop film is just another remake in a long, shitty line of '80s remakes.
Sayonara ROBOCOP by rogueleader66	Jul 30th, 2008 09:36:56 AM
Clarence Boddiker said it best
If this is a go by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 09:37:16 AM
then they better the fuck hire Rob Bottin.
ED-209 played by John Goodman by g-ride9000	Jul 30th, 2008 09:38:18 AM
no costume
Damned if you do, damned if you don't by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 09:40:34 AM
That's how I feel about this scenario. If it's a sequel and they ignore one or even both sequels, it would blow. Re-making/re-imagining the movie, will also blow. Option C, leave it alone, would've been best.
"Bitches leave"... by Kid Z	Jul 30th, 2008 09:42:53 AM
... I loved that line, two. The dad from That Seventies Show (sorry, I forget the actor's name and am too lazy to look it up on imdb) plays a great villain. In fact, when I watch reruns of T70sS, I always expect him to pull out an assault rifle and blow Fez away.
"didn't consider him relevant enough" by Shan	Jul 30th, 2008 09:49:07 AM
Verhoeven was ahead of the times with some of his films, especially Robocop. Sadly, he's still ahead of the times as we seem to be moving backwards again. Just at least hint it follows the events of the first Robocop film and go from there, with the same tone OK?
Rapin' Robocop by killmeagain	Jul 30th, 2008 09:49:17 AM
If all that's true then they are only cashing in on the Robocop name. Batman is still Batman regardless of the world that he is in, but Robocop will only be a generic action guy with bionic enhancements if his true origin is ignored. Yes Aronofski will give him the typical 'deep' and 'dark' treatment that some will think is cool but it will be nothing more than Robo bending over and taking one for the team.
Re-imagining or reboots by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 09:53:27 AM
Characters like Batman and James Bond, existed for years in book/comic book form, or serials and television shows (early Casino Royale with Barry Nelson). The motion picture is just another medium for that character to exist in. So, a "reboot" like Batman Begins or Casino Royale, is much like adapting Shakespeare to a different era.
Aronofsky is probably just trying to make some coin... by hollywoodsummers	Jul 30th, 2008 09:56:24 AM
to keep up his big budget lifestyle of being married to Rachel W. Kinda sucks he'd sink into remaking something from the damn 80's!
Jonathan Violence.... by NiceGuyEddie19	Jul 30th, 2008 09:59:34 AM
It was a good, quintessentially 80's movie. To bring it into a contemporary setting might bring some new fans into it, but old fans are never going to be satisfied. We saw this clearly demonstrated in Transformers talkback last year.
At first I thought that said Robocop v. Megatron. by Cotton McKnight	Jul 30th, 2008 10:01:35 AM
Winner gets the allspark.
Jonathon Violence by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 10:02:30 AM
Wasn't that the same logic behind Zombie's Halloween? To remove the bad taste of all the useless sequels that followed the brilliant original?
I would like to see a Robocop, Ronald D. Moore style. by Cotton McKnight	Jul 30th, 2008 10:03:40 AM
Just have him look like a regular guy.
I have a hard time believing... by Mosquito March	Jul 30th, 2008 10:07:24 AM
...that a modern OCP-like corporation would come up with a design as clunky and slow as the Robocop we know and love.
Kurtwood Smith by rogueleader66	Jul 30th, 2008 10:08:26 AM
Played Clarence, I could not watch That 70's Show for the longest time because I could not picture bad ass Clarence Boddiker as a goofy dad, but i did eventually watch it and he was great in that show.
Seriously by tomdolan04	Jul 30th, 2008 10:15:27 AM
its getting ridiculous hearing EVERY single producer name-drop Nolan and The Dark Knight into attempts to reboot everything. Plus all this trash about staying true the mythology, making it canon/non canon and all that trash. Robocop could be read either as a dirt simple '80's shoot em up or a delicious satire with blood on the side. I don't believe this reboot will aspire to either of those qualities, bar making cheap 'wink wink we are making fun of the consumerism of the average starbucks goer' jibes, so I'm not interested. Favourite scene in virtually any movie came through Robocop 2. Robocop gets trashed. A dumb schmuck of a committee puts him back together again, ignoring his simple original program and stuff him with over 200 directives - none of which serve any distinct purpose and many of which contradict each other. Robocop goes nuts and attempts suicide in order to wipe his memory. If this scene is remade into the reboot irony in hollywood has well and truly reached intergalactic, transdimensional proportions
I just watched this again last night on Starz or some shit... by Cletus Van Damme	Jul 30th, 2008 10:15:33 AM
...and I'll be damned if Miguel Ferrer's (sp?) little work buddy is none other than Colin Powell!
You people are way to negative about this. by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 10:18:03 AM
The original is a classic that I watch once every few months. And yes a remake can be a scary prospect. But they already assured us an R rating. "300" and "The Dark Knight" have proven that "DARKER" movies can find mainstream success. And as shitty as I found "Wanted" to be, it proved that the R rated action movie can make a killing. So why all the talk of neutering the source material? Aronofsky is a good director. He has a good sense of style. And regardless if you like his brand of filmmaking or not, "Requiem for a Dream" is a great fucking movie. The story alone and acting hit home. This remake is in better hands that what could have been. Also it's not a Fox production, so that is a plus. Fox seemingly ruins any genre property they get their hands on. But I don't get the sudden Aronofsky hatred. And I don't get why people are against this remake. The series was already damaged by part 3, so a reboot is the only way to go. And it's not like the original will suddenly vanish.
Also.. by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 10:22:41 AM
It's funny to see people bitch about how the "Satire and social commentary of the original will be lost". When this is the same site where talkbackers found the obvious and ridiculous "Social Commentary" of "Land of the Dead" to be brilliant and relevant. "The scene with the burning money in the parking lot signifies the corruption of capitalism!" Gimme a fucking break. I'm sure with Darren at the helm we will get the same kind of bite that the original had.
Get STALLONE to direct! by TheNorthlander	Jul 30th, 2008 10:23:16 AM
RAMBO is the obvious reason why. If not Stallone, then Cronenberg. Although, if Aronofsky wants to do this, maybe he's got a great angle in which case I'm not gonna complain.
How is this different . . . by Nice Marmot	Jul 30th, 2008 10:24:03 AM
. . . than Nolan creating a new Batman series? I'm looking forward to it w/ Aranofsky on board. Like when I thought he was getting Batman. Although I think they should have the guts to just give it a new title. The first RoboCop rules and will always be there on the shelf for you to watch.
ROLLING THUNDER IS EGGSALAD! by I am the Terminator	Jul 30th, 2008 10:24:12 AM
PWNED!!
One Last Thing: Remake "The Running Man" by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 10:25:46 AM
With Dwayne Johnson as Ben Richards and Sofia Vergara asd Amber Mendez.
Jack Colby by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 10:31:11 AM
Yea, I would even take a 'new' Robocop in a different city, based on the Detroit/OCP project. Or the Singer approach would atleast give us a mix of what we want and what they want. Just no Robo-Baby with Officer Lewis.
Hmm Robo-Rock? by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 10:31:59 AM
I might not hate the idea of Dwayne Johnson as Robocop, actually. If you're going for different, that's definitely it.
let's retire the word reimagining by Napoleon Park	Jul 30th, 2008 10:32:14 AM
and replace it with the more descriptive "Planet Of the Aping".
Seriously.. by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 10:36:08 AM
Is there any way we can get this back for Verhoeven, I had high hopes when it was just a sequal, but a fuckin Reboot, Its pointless Im usually not as.... aaaa I cant even be assed explainin my views I hope the whole of fuckin MGM gets fucked right up the ass and gets a horrible type of superaids that rots their fuckin genitals slowly and painfully aaaaa fuckit GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKERS
That 70's Clarence by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 10:36:30 AM
Turn any of my other henchmen into toxic waste and I'LL PUT MY FOOT UP YOUR ASS!
Dick Jones will shoot first... by MisterE	Jul 30th, 2008 10:42:47 AM
...and Shia LaBeouf will take him into custody so that he can escape for the sequel. Oh, and Howie Mandel will play the "I'll buy that for a dollar!" guy.
Dick . . . I am VERY disappointed. by Nico Toscani	Jul 30th, 2008 10:43:07 AM
I would rather watch a Uwe Boll movie than any of Len Wiseman's so-called films. But you know what, when a film is a classic, no remake can ever harm it. Does anyone even remember Burton's Planet of the Apes? Fuck no. When you mention Planet of the Apes to anyone they say things like "get your filthy paws of me you damn dirty ape!" or "damn you all to hell!" It's because the original is untouchable and will endure. The same is the case with Robocop.
Fingers Crossed Nico by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 10:48:23 AM

WickedJester by tomdolan04	Jul 30th, 2008 10:48:46 AM
Robocop stands outside Lewis' house for half the movie in standby mode listening to her shack up with the bad ass black police chief guy. The movie ends with the dramatic lifting of ED-209
Verhoeven, OBVIOUS choice. Aronofsky? I'm curious. by JDanielP	Jul 30th, 2008 10:49:19 AM
I'll judge it when I see it, as long as the reviews and trailers provide enough interest. With "IRON MAN", we fans were informed of the process and of key decision making, which I think helps continue interest. That is, as long as smart choices are made in the journey of making a flick.
tomdolan by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 10:55:03 AM
With a techno remix of 'Circle of Life' playing in the background?
OCP is proud to introduce....Robocop 2... by Seth Brundle	Jul 30th, 2008 10:58:32 AM
(trumpet fanfare) da da da daaaa , da da da daaaaa.... (pulls head off revealing skull) aaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHH!!! CRAAAASH!!!!
sorry, but "reimagining" = REMAKE, don't soften the blow by IAmLegolas	Jul 30th, 2008 11:00:18 AM
ROBOCOP was originally a movie, an original thought (except for the part where they stole ideas from the JUDGE DREDD comics.), it's not like it's a comic or book or stageplay they are readapting.
Requiem for a Dream music needs to be banned by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 11:10:27 AM
That "Lux Aeternia" or whatever needs to be banned from all trailers, student films, wherever along with Samuel Barber's "Adagio for Strings", Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana" "The Flower Duet" from the Opera "Lakme", "Battle without Honor or Humanity", etc etc etc. There are thousands of great pieces of music to choose from - stop playing the same dozen over and over.
All this reimagining remake BS by fractureJonze	Jul 30th, 2008 11:11:46 AM
It's all about marketing and nothing else. Name recognition. That's all they care about, and its why they're scrambling like crazy to get this crap out before people forget even the names of these movies.
Oh Merrick, you don't trust Aronofsky..? by Aeghast	Jul 30th, 2008 11:13:50 AM
I think he can deliver
Hey - there ya go - reimagine "Judge Dredd" by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 11:14:51 AM
Judge Dredd is the perfect example of a film that could do with a remake - a good concept that went terribly wrong in the execution. And, on a sidenote, just how weak must that Mickey Rourke Wrestler movie that Aaronfsky just finished be for him to be running to a safe, big budget remake. And people once compared Darren to David Fincher...
Count me the Fuck out by Phategod1	Jul 30th, 2008 11:16:39 AM
Shit on a classic count me out. Save this for apologist
What angle could be taken? by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 11:17:56 AM
The original skewered the yuppie mentality, corporate politics, the privitization of public services (Blackwater a current example), commercialization of culture (BIGGER is BETTER), the list goes on. The concept of the soul of a cyborg was explored fully, and it was a kick ass action film to boot. The effects still hold up today, with nice, just enough matte work. And would a CG ED be any better than the expressive stop-motion work? Verhoeven's brilliant choice of the Murphy/Robocop POV during the "transformation". Rob Bottin's melting man, and the great design of the suit itself. My favorite is the slab of Wellers face attached to the robo-skull. So how can any of this be improved or rethought?
Glam Girls....gag...where are the Busted T chiks? by Kentucky Colonel	Jul 30th, 2008 11:22:31 AM
Did you get a load of those choppers on the purple-backless dressed chick? Baba Booey to you all!
remake starship troopers with mech suits by General Crom	Jul 30th, 2008 11:24:11 AM
this time like it was supposed to be.Keep everything else exactly the same.You could just do a directors cut and have tippet add mech suits-not every soldier needs them-you could have "scouts" bouncing around through the battles. I'd even be happy with a mech at the end as one of the "new weapons". As for robo- didn't corporate shitbags already ruin this by pg13ing the 3rd entry.We can only go up from here.
ED-209 as Executive Producer by Aquatarkusman	Jul 30th, 2008 11:33:50 AM
"YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COME UP WITH SOME BETTER IDEAS, YOU FUCKING COKEHEADS!"
Len Wiseman by ZooTrain	Jul 30th, 2008 11:34:19 AM
They actually think of this turd as a viable new talent? Christ. Live Free or Die Hard was barely watchable. How this clown landed Kate Beckinsale I'll never know.
by huggerorange	Jul 30th, 2008 11:35:35 AM
how could any other director remake this movie without compromising that twisted 80's view of the future thats important from the original? Quit fucking around and hire Paul Verhoeven.
Arrogance. by Willips Brighton	Jul 30th, 2008 11:38:22 AM
Isn't it more accurate to say "our film doesn't exist in the Robocop canon?"
Everything Aronofsky has done is amazing... by scrivener	Jul 30th, 2008 11:43:00 AM
I trust him implicitly. The only director I've ever had more faith in was Stanley Kubrick, and given time and complete creative freedom, I think Aronofsky will eventually match the late great master of cinema.
The Fountain by fassbinder79	Jul 30th, 2008 11:46:11 AM
First off any producers or studio heads who think they can just push Paul Verhoeven aside have got another thing coming. The guy is one of the best filmmakers working...Ever. And as much as Iiked Requiem The Fountain is one of the worst films I've ever seen. I am EXTREMELY nervous about Robocop in his hands or anyone else's.
I'm so damn tired of hearing "we'll do it like Batman Begins" by PrezMike	Jul 30th, 2008 12:02:26 PM
After proving they have no imagination to think of something new and interesting to do, they try to re-do an old franchise that didn't need any re-doing by imitating another imaginative franchise reboot, which had depth and was successful.
WRONG by Hikaru Ichijo	Jul 30th, 2008 12:03:45 PM
This guys aren't producers, they're cannibals. This movie will hurt peoples careers by being the very definition of the term "wasted opportunity." It's not too late to make a good Robocop sequel, guys.
How many "worst films ever made" are there? by Spandau Belly	Jul 30th, 2008 12:09:39 PM
Do you guys start considering anything that doesn't crack your top ten films to be among the ranks of "the worst films ever made"? How The Fountain is anybody's idea of one of the "worst films ever made" is either somebody who hasn't seen many movies or who speaks in absurd hyberole. I mean, seriously, the thing was like one long Fantasia sequence. WTF? Sorry if it didn't give you some groundbreaking new outlook on life like everybody who hates it seems to have been expecting. Or people who hate it because it was positive and pretty. I'll also add that I actually do think Aranofsky is the wrong choice for this project, but maintain that everybody should get off his back for The Fountain.
Darren Aronofsky is Hella overrrated! by Darth_Kaos	Jul 30th, 2008 12:12:25 PM
I never got the appeal of this guy. His movies are snore fests filled with symbolism (which actually makes it worst). I agree that they should stop comparing every re-boot to 'Batman Begins'. BB was a lucky break, an awesome break, and the last BOND movie was excellent too. But it doesn't mean it will always work. There will only be one RoboCop. This version will be a deep,introspective, yet stylistic, 3 hour sleeping pill that's PG-13. Sorry, but you know I'm right.
rolling thunder by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 12:24:39 PM
And rolling thunder sounds like the name of a DTV Steven Segal flick... Or the subtitle of the Point Break sequel.. Point Break 2: Rolling Thunder 'xoxo'
Yes. I am a plant by Hikaru Ichijo	Jul 30th, 2008 12:25:52 PM
although I'm not sure how you figured it out. What I was able to figure out is that if you know anything about Mr. Weller's penis, then the likelihood is that HE, in fact, is the one who did the fucking. Thank you.
GOTCHA ROLLING THUNDER EGGSALAD! by I am the Terminator	Jul 30th, 2008 12:26:06 PM
I bet I scared you too, didn't I? But that's what I do. Because I am the Terminator! PWNED!!
skimn.... by NiceGuyEddie19	Jul 30th, 2008 12:26:44 PM
Dude, sorry, but the expensive stop motion looks like shit by today's standards. It does NOT hold up. In fact, it's one of the only true distractions watching the film today.
Stop Motion effects by Hikaru Ichijo	Jul 30th, 2008 12:35:57 PM
True. That effect was dated even by the time of the films 1987 release. ESB might be the last flick to properly employ the effect within a proper context. I agree that the original could use a little bit of tweaking, but just the same, I would leave ED-206 as Stop Motion, since it really works for a robot menace. If only they could refine what appears on the screen, somehow Just so it doesn't appear so disjointed next to the rest of the footage.
Re: TheNorthlander "Get STALLONE to direct!" by Its a LION	Jul 30th, 2008 12:37:50 PM
I agree. At least Sly doesn't completely remake Rocky or Rambo just because a bad movie was made and some time has passed. As for the regurgitators of this future vomit: You probably don't think I'm a very nice guy... do ya?
"Given time and complete freedom" Ha ha by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 12:37:57 PM
Given time and complete freedom (and lets call that what it is - a limitless budget) Michael Cimino put out "Heaven's Gate", William Friedkin put out "Sorceror" and Steven Spielberg put out "1941". And for the record, some of Stanley Kubricks best films, The Killing and Killer's Kiss, were made with no time and very little budget while "Eyes Wide Shut" had a relatively huge budget and was a lesser work by anybody but the myopic's standards. As the story of Jaws well bears out, frequently the greatest pieces of art are made under the most trying of circumstances.
Everything is "like Batman Begins" now by Vern	Jul 30th, 2008 12:41:35 PM
James Bond, Terminator, this. I'd like to see the Batman Begins of Police Academy next. Or the Batman Begins of Child's Play, and he only becomes a doll at the end. Or Popeye Begins. But I'm not gonna get upset about this. OF COURSE Verhoeven doing it would be better, but I could sense the Robocop remake before they even announced it and I would've figured they'd get some director for hire. Instead they get an auteur type and say from the beginning that it will be "similar in tone" to the original. So far so good. And I know you guys can connect absolutely anything to George Lucas but in this case that doesn't fly. There is already a Robocop movie ten times worse than the George Lucas movies you complain about. In fact, your precious Monster Squad dude is responsible for that piece of garbage. And Mr. Sin City has his name on it too (although he has disavowed it). Anyway the grave has already been desecrated, so this stands a chance of repairing it a little. That said I reserve the right to put a curse on these guys if they fuck it up. DON'T FUCK IT UP, FELLAS.
Half-a-billion bucks domestic gross is a helluva incentive by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 12:47:49 PM
And I woulda shit all over Paul Verhoeven (anyone remember "Hollow Man"?) if it weren't for "Black Book". Dyed pubes ... mmmm.....
I will NOT buy that for a dollar! by rune_spell	Jul 30th, 2008 12:52:06 PM
Who the hell are these guys and why are they Producers? Young MBA jerks who think they know how to make a movie, err..money? What kind of idiot would "prefer" the term reimagining? Aren't they aware that every film fan worth his/her salt knows that it's just another word for RIP-OFF!? What happened to all the good Producers? Dead or retired, I guess. These people don't care about making a good movie, all they care about is getting rich. Well, they aren't getting my money. And f-ck you to anyone who pays into these assholes accounts and encourages them to continue with more rip-off remakes. You know who I blame? Teenagers and most of Middle-America. Now, that's not to say that dumbass rednecks don't exist in all parts of the country, just that there's more there than anywhere else who love wrestling and incest and going to see a reimagining of Robocop. A movie that was originally too smart for them, but now panders to their simple devolved minds.
Ug. by Spamgelus	Jul 30th, 2008 12:54:06 PM
"The only Aronofsky I liked was Pi." Wow. You're so hip and cool. You're probably one of those "Bottle Rocket was the best Wes Anderson movie" people, too.
How about reimagining ACCORDING TO JIM? by Uncle Stan	Jul 30th, 2008 12:55:42 PM

Sung to the tune of "Kibbles and Bits" by jackofhearts29	Jul 30th, 2008 12:55:47 PM
Nipples and flames Nipples and flames Gotta Reboot me some Nipples and flames
It kills me how... by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 01:04:34 PM
People say "The Fountain" is terrible and then proceed to shit on Aronofsky and then say that they want Verhoeven back. The same guy that made Hollow Man AND Showgirls. Verhoeven made 2 great films in my opinion (Robocop and Total Recall) everything else he has done was just OK. You guys are way too funny. You get an acclaimed director taking over a genre movie that could have been given to Paul WS Anderson or Len Wiseman and you STILL bitch. Even if Stanley Kubrick was resurrected to direct this you probably all still be pissed because "Eyes Wide Shut was THE WORST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE!!!". Please.
ED-209 is probably the last stop-motion by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 01:05:03 PM
effect in a major movie before digital took over, and the slightly clunky look worked for the oversized robot. Always love the stairway scene, where its foot feels the step before falling, then stomps like a spoiled child. But yes, I agree some of the background plates are a bit grainy.
The "Dark Knight Effect"... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 01:09:12 PM
You think Hollywood will actually starting putting more thought and initiative into actually making more intelligent films with an actual plot, good directing, script, acting, etc., i.e. movies that actually LIVE up to the hype and aren't just 2 hour music videos of non-stop cgi bullshit? That they can actually make movies without "dumbing it down" to the lowest common denominator and ACTUALLY make a profit as well??? Mind you, I think it's damn near IMPOSSIBLE to make a Robocop remake that will be even HALF as good as the original but I like the fact that people will try to emulate what Nolan and Co. did with the Batman series.
Wait a sec - you havent seen enough Verhoeven then by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 01:09:55 PM
In the late 70's early 80s he did a series of really stellar Dutch films including the superior "Soldier of Orange", the film that got Rutger Hauer "Blade Runner". Yes - Paul's work in the 1990s was shit, but you really owe it to yourself to check out some of his older stuff or at the very least his latest, Black Book. Carice Van Houten. Nude. Not a bad thing.
Don't doubt Darren by robzass	Jul 30th, 2008 01:13:13 PM
I've been waiting for this guy to get his hands on a genre pic for a long time. When has he ever done a bad film?
Thanks "JackRabbitSlim" by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 01:14:26 PM
I'll check it your recommendation. I don't hate the guy. As I said I loved Recall and Robocop. But it kills me how people can retcon someone's entire career as being shit on the strength of one bad or disappointing movie. My main point was to illustrate that we could apply that sort of thinking to any working director. Not a knock to the Dutchman. But people on here are a little too ridiculous with their hate.
C'mon, no love for Total Recall? by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 01:15:11 PM
"Get you ass to Mars" "If I'm not me, then who the hell am I?" Just the concept of Quato is iconic.
Let's not blow this out of proportion by MrD	Jul 30th, 2008 01:15:26 PM
We already knew that it was set 20 years down the road, and in a different city. That would mean they don't intend on retelling the origin story, and whatever characters would have been left walking from the original trilogy wouldn't be playing a role either. In short, I don't see how continuity would have played a role even if it WAS intended as a sequel. I think the main reason to point out that this is not a sequel is to make sure no one expects to see Weller in the suit.
Dark Knight's success isnt simply because its a quality film by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 01:17:02 PM
I don't think I need to remind anyone that there's little correlation between boxoffice and quality - Titanic springs to mind. Jawdropping f/x - hideous dialogue. It certainly helps that Dark Knight got great reviews but lets admit 1) Batman has to have a Q score off the charts in the general public - I'm betting top 20 fictional characters all time. 2) The Heath Ledger dying thing didn't hurt it. A non-illegal drug od - pretty talented boy cut down in the prime of youth - that's publicity you just can't buy.
Skimn- by MrD	Jul 30th, 2008 01:20:02 PM
You forgot RoboCop2 in RoboCop 2 was also stop motion. And I assume you were leaving out entirely animated work like Nightmare Before Christmas, James and the Giant Peach, Corpse Bride and Wallace & Grommet.
Robocop Vs. by DerLanghaarige	Jul 30th, 2008 01:21:26 PM
Oliver Megaton! I love this guy's name!
This baffles me by chewyou812	Jul 30th, 2008 01:22:49 PM
I've always thought of Robocop as a guilty pleasure. The out pouring of love for the film is perplexing to me. What's wrong with exploring another artist's interpretation of the source material? Worst case scenario: you still have your DVD or Blu Ray of the original.
Project 424... by MrD	Jul 30th, 2008 01:25:42 PM
I'm guessing you were gestating back in 1986. No one, and I mean NO ONE, gave two shits about the "believable futuristic society" created in RoboCop. Hell, no one thought it all that believable - it was thinly written parable. What people DID talk about was the uber-violence (along with the humor). The exec getting nailed in the ED209 demo, Murphy getting shredded, Dick going all the way to the ground... the R - violence was absolutely the thing that made RC stand out in a decade of Stallone/Ahnold action flicks.
Only thing 'iconic' about Total Recall by WickedJester	Jul 30th, 2008 01:27:53 PM
was the chick with 3 boobs.
Mr D by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 01:28:33 PM
Yes I was not counting films that used stop motion as the method of animation. I also think Raimi used stop motion in Army Of Darkness. I KNOW he did in Evil Dead 2.
Aronofsky and Batman Begins by halberd	Jul 30th, 2008 01:29:04 PM
That just doesn't seem right... although it's a noble thing to say we want everything by the way of Batman Begins' approach, I think let RoboCop do its thing, Verhoeven or not. It's the step in the right direction, but do we risk homogenizing this era of 'remakes'? Batman set a benchmark, we don't have to emulate it every chance we get... move on peoples.
BATMAN BEGINS influence by LoneGun	Jul 30th, 2008 01:30:02 PM
Yes, it is interesting just how influential Christopher Nolan's reboot of Batman is proving itself to be. It set a new bar of credibility for action films and has evidently become the standard. As Vern pointed out, 007 and Terminator have aspired to be like BEGINS. IRON MAN and THE INCREDIBLE HULK also used the film as its template. Now, THE DARK KNIGHT has set an even higher bar... Anyway, I loved Verhoeven's ROBOCOP. It had such an unusual mix of brutal violence, high-tech action and black humor. I agree with Vern that this new version couldn't do any more damage than the sequels did. The BATMAN BEGINS influence couldn't hurt, but I'd rather not see a re-telling of the origin.
why is everyone licking verhoeven's chode? by dingus khan	Jul 30th, 2008 01:31:07 PM
isn't that the same guy that did flashdance, showgirls, and starship troopers? total recall and robocop were enjoyable, but let's not act like verhoeven is some untouchable genius...unless i've missed something.
JackRabbitSlim, you're right... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 01:32:49 PM
TDK was the perfect storm. Any "Batman" film has an automatic built in audience. I'm not aware of the actual figures but I THINK Batman and Robin did a DECENT box office number. I know for a fact the theatre was packed that opening weekend it was released. And TDK was getting great reviews from respected critics. AND the "death of Heath Ledger" was a huge factor as well. These elements all helped but if the movie was straight garbage it wouldn't have made 500 mil worldwide in a couple weeks. It would have made money but not THAT much THIS quickly. It's making this type of money because of word of mouth. Hopefully Hollywood can look at this and take action/sci-fi/fantasy movies more seriously and realize it's not just about A-list, tabloid "superstars" and CGI effects that we've seen a billion times that makes a good movie. It's the script, the directing and the acting that SHOULD come first. The rest is icing on the cake.
Johnny Cab is pretty iconic. by Its a LION	Jul 30th, 2008 01:33:10 PM
"Please state a street and number." "Shit. Shit." "I'm not familiar with that address. Would you please repeat-" "RaRaRAAH RAHH RAH!"
The chick with three boobs was not iconic by MrD	Jul 30th, 2008 01:34:31 PM
She was a goddess.
Verhoven is a great director by lioner	Jul 30th, 2008 01:35:37 PM
Verhoeven is a much much much better director than either Aronofsky or Wiseman (who are on a similar plane). Verhoeven is a brilliant guy and his 90's work is fantastic (to the person who said his 90's work wasn't good). BASIC INSTINCT is a masterpiece level film, another of his homages to Hitchcock that deftly explores sexual obsession. SHOWGIRLS is an engaging satire and filmed with a TON of skill. STARSHIP TROOPERS is the most subversive Hollywood blockbuster ever! The man is brilliant at filming movies (Makes Chris Nolan look like a school kid). That said, I think another robocop doesn't make sense in his career at this point. All of you guys that love the new batman so much need to lock yourselves in a room with a steady diet of David Lean, Alfred Hitckcock, Roman Polanski, and Steven Spielberg and learn about great filmmaking.
Starship Troopers was a good flick... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 01:35:47 PM
I can see people not "getting it" but I thought it was good...
Darren Aronofsky by BrightEyes	Jul 30th, 2008 01:39:11 PM
is too great a director for Robocop. ypu people should be thanking your lucky stars you got a director of his caliber to direct your robocop film. I'll see anything he does so I can't wait to see what he does with this. The visuals should be out of this world.
lioner by BrightEyes	Jul 30th, 2008 01:40:50 PM
if you think Arronofsky and Wiseman are on a similar plane then your either insane or you have never seen an Arronofsky film.
RoboCop is not like The Godfather... by Sailor Rip	Jul 30th, 2008 01:40:51 PM
...it's fucking better!!!
Troopers was fun by rogueleader66	Jul 30th, 2008 01:41:05 PM
Despite the Beverly Hills 90210 beginning, but maybe that is what Verhoven intended. Either way, ST is a hyper violent, fun film. Have not seen the 2 DTV sequels, but I heard that ST:HOTF was garbage and that the third installment was better.
Who needs a MAN IN SUIT when CGI by Mace Tofu	Jul 30th, 2008 01:44:46 PM
Robots rule the world. All CGI all the time.
Lioner by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 01:45:55 PM
So you dont think Nolan is a skilled filmaker? Have you seen Memento and The Prestige, I admit The Dark Knight is abit "scatty" but it still the finest Hollywood blockbuster in a long time, I think of it as Pink Floyds Money getting to No 1 (the only UK No1 in 7/4 timing i belive) and I love Verhoeven but Showgirls wasnt even worth masturbating too
Chris Nolan a "School Kid"? by Mr. Profit	Jul 30th, 2008 01:51:19 PM
Sorry. But if you told me that I was going to watch a movie about dueling magicians and enjoy it I would have told you to go fuck yourself. That is of course until I saw "The Prestige". Nolan hasn't made a bad film yet. Is he exempt? We don't know what the future holds for him. He could crank out a "Showgirls" but then again, he doesn't seem like the type of person who would make a travesty like that (and then when it bombs) say the movie was intended to be campy. So far he has "Memento", "The Prestige", "Batman Begins" and now "The Dark Knight" on his resume. He doesn't have crap on his resume that his apoligists decide to overrate and attempt to explain the awfulness away with pseudo subtext that wasn't there.
Speaking of remakes by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 01:52:47 PM
Nolan did a pretty fine job with Insomnia, with probably the last performances by both Al Pacino and Robin Williams that didn't bring the urge to rip my eyes out.
Blech. by GilbertRSmith	Jul 30th, 2008 01:52:49 PM
What they should do is just remake Robocop 2 and 3 as one film, as they were supposed to be in the first place, and use Frank Miller's script instead of hiring rewrites. If the studio gave half a shit about whether a remake is necessary or not (and it would be for RC 2 and 3), this would be the most obvious choice in the world. If anything, this proves that they aim their remake gun more or less at random.
Lioner, I'll lock myself in a cabin with some Spielberg by Spandau Belly	Jul 30th, 2008 01:56:07 PM
I'm sure after masterpieces such as Indy 4, Hook, Minority Report, The Terminal, and War of the Worlds, I will be able to see the genius level on which Basic Instinct takes place. And you're also right about how Underwolrd and Die Hard 4 are totally the same as Pi, Requiem for a Dream and The Fountain. But Requiem for a Dream needed more bullet-time.
Verhoeven by TurdontheRun	Jul 30th, 2008 01:58:20 PM
Anyone defending showgirls needs a good wash between the ears, but verhoeven is a great director and sorely missed in the world of big budget blockbuster filmmaking. Its a pity he didn't follow up basic instinct with Crusade starring arnold in 95 instead of showgirls. I look forward to his jesus biopic if it ever gets made, and the shitstorm of controversy that will surely follow. if they're going to re-boot robocop , however, they'd better not neuter the black comedy and satire that mad it so potent in the first place. the original was very much about reaganomics and the yuppie era, so a successful reboot will have to transplant the social commetary to the current era - bush/post bush and the so-called 'war on terror'. let it take barbed pot shots at the republicans. perhaps robocop could be commisioned by the government to root out terrorits/ extremists/ fundamaentalists, instead of drug-dealers/traffickers, which were the big bogeymen of corporate america back in the 80's.
Remakes Schmemakes by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 02:02:24 PM
If Peter Weller ain't busy, how about Buckaroo Banzai vs. The World Crime League. I know there was a lot of legal wrangling just to get the recent DVD released, but follow the example of Whedon's Dr. Horrible and produce it for online viewing for about 1 to 2 million, and watch the hits pour in. "He's older ... he's zen-ier ... wherever he goes, there he is ... It's Buckaroo Banzai."
Memento is overrated, Insomnia kinda bored me... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 02:05:43 PM
Memento had an interesting premise but it kinda got old after a while. (And I dont like Guy Pearce.) Insomnia was boring besides Robin Williams' performance. With that being said I haven't seen these movies since they were released so maybe I need to watch them again. Nolan's been on a roll recently with Begins, Prestige, and TDK. The Batman movies were done exceptionally well. Begins gets better with each viewing and TDK is so good it's kinda DESTROYED the comic book/superhero movie genre but The Prestige is something out of the ordinary. It's probably his greatest overall film. I've seen it like 7-10 times and there's STILL little tidbits I pick up on with each viewing. Also the fact that he has aligned himself with Christian Bale hasn't hurt either. I might've liked Memento if he played the lead.
How bout a remake/sequel??? by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 02:15:09 PM
A new original story of Robocop that ALSO retells his origin story with flashbacks or "misplaced chapters" (i.e. Kill Bill). I dont see why you couldn't do BOTH, a sequel and a remake?
Mrhazzard by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 02:17:45 PM
I too didnt like Insomnia first time around, I gave it a chance a few months ago and thought it was good, decent. Memento I think is great and urge you to give another go, (I hate that bitch from the Matrix) but The Prestige is fuckin awesome and is a film MADE to be seen over and over again. In fact on the extras dvd for Memento Nolan says he wants to make movies in a way that Ridley Scott films are great to rewatch for the visual tidbits he wants to do that with his storylines if I remember correctly
Mr. Profit. . . . Excuse me. . . . by Darth_Kaos	Jul 30th, 2008 02:19:00 PM
. . .INSOMNIA. Chris Nolan made that bore of a movie. I won't make this a talkback about Chris Nolan, but I thought "Memento" was overrated. His best movie is still 'Batman Begins' but 'The Prestige' is close. I know I'm the minority, but I thought The Dark Knight was good and NOT GREAT! That movie had tons of flaws people.
Why should I feel guilty about watching Robocop? by Nico Toscani	Jul 30th, 2008 02:20:51 PM
I'd rather watch it any day than 90% of the Oscar winners ever made.
Some People.. by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 02:22:55 PM
..just prefer Cyborgs to Italian Gangsters, I know I do, I have my reasons.
It's like devolving a diamond back into a turd by KillaKane	Jul 30th, 2008 02:24:05 PM
I hate callow shitsletown suits, Wiseman et al are'nt a bead of sweat on the balls of Paul Verhoven, his Robocop is peerless. I doubt Aranovsky could produce anything as bitingly satirical, prescient and as entertaining as the original; it'll no doubt be slow and ponderous.
I wouldn't say Robocop is better than the Godfather by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 02:24:44 PM
But The Godfather would improve greatly with at least one toxic sludge induced melting man.
Robocop vs. Godfather by GilbertRSmith	Jul 30th, 2008 02:27:57 PM
Godfather was Saddam Hussein's favorite movie. Robocop For America!
Dont forget... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 02:40:28 PM
... one toxic sludge induced melting man THAT gets hit by a speeding automobile and explodes on impact... Now THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!!!
I think we should form an army of Space Monkeys by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 30th, 2008 02:41:09 PM
and take vengeance upon every twentysomething coked-up fuckhead studio executive in Hollywood. Who's with me?
Darth_Kaos by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 30th, 2008 02:42:42 PM
My friend and I both agreed Dark Knight was hugely flawed. The more I think about it the whole movie kind of falls apart actually. Love Nolan's other movies too. Memento and The Prestige are streets ahead of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight IMO.
Filmmaking by lioner	Jul 30th, 2008 02:44:10 PM
From a purely filmmaking perspective, Christopher Nolan is not a good filmmaker. His shots lack identity, beginnings or endings, and his use of color is non specific, he overcovers simple scenes, and his editing rhythms are messy (TDK showed improvement here though). The note about Christopher Nolan wanting to make films like Ridley Scott makes sense. They're similar... Good production design... basic, non-distinct camera direction (Ridley has a MUCH better sense of color and composition however, and obviously was very distinct when he made BLADE RUNNER and ALIEN). BTW, Whoever dissed Spielberg forgot to mention MUNICH (I won't defend INDY 4), a masterpiece. Nolan could still improve his craft, but as of now, he's a messy director. TDK showed improved command of momentum and improved ability to follow action scenes (a bit), so there's hope for him. INSOMNIA, THE PRESTIGE, BATMAN BEGINS... These aren't good movies guys... All of you guys should rent CATCH ME IF YOU CAN again and just watch the camera. Spielberg uses his camera to create and inform the content of his movies, which all great filmmakers do, and guys like Christopher Nolan haven't figured out yet. If he's going to be mentioned as a great, he will inevitably be held to that standard.
BITCHES LEAVE! by Kurzinski Valentine	Jul 30th, 2008 02:46:29 PM

If everything is like Batman begins now... by EastcoastAvenger	Jul 30th, 2008 02:49:15 PM
does that spell the end to any hero movie that isn't brooding and dark? Now I absolutly loved the Dark Knight but if these new Batman flicks are the new standard to every super hero movie that is to come I'll need counseling by the end of summer 2010!
Whoever said that Verhoeven directed Flashdance... by DerLanghaarige	Jul 30th, 2008 02:52:06 PM
...gave me the biggest laugh of the year!
sounds like Murphy isn't in it.. by Axl Z	Jul 30th, 2008 02:58:09 PM
So it's a reimagination of Robocop and set 20 years after the first one in LA? sounds like some poor LA cop gets killed and OCP ut the Robocop project back in operation there. simple then, it's a sequel, reimagination and reboot all in one! only problem is we all got how the Robocop 2 project went awol. maybe they ironed the kinks out and murphy will make an apperance at the end and say "that's my boy" or something like that. and the pugface kruger lookalike from teh tv show will be the bad-guy. wow, best film ever! why not just make Robocop V Terminator. that can;t be that hard to do if he's in LA now can it? ra ra ra.. Robocop V Predator.. ra ra ra
"BITCHES COME!" by turketron	Jul 30th, 2008 03:08:34 PM
Said by German guy in that club scene in the first XXX. When said, bitches came forth through a hole in the wall! Best part of that movie, which of course isn't even on the radar of being as good as the first Robocop.
Independence Day = pure garbage and 300 mil+ by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 03:18:09 PM
I'm just putting it out there. And was it Adrian Lyne that directed "Flashdance". Survey says ... bingo! I guessed - swear to god. Wasn't "Flashdance" the movie that first "made" Simpson and/or Bruckheimer? Too lazy to look it up. And lastly - I'll concede that Chris Nolan can't shoot action to save his life. At least based on what I saw in Batman Begins - haven't tossed my filthy lucre into the Dark Knights bulging coffers.
Reimagining. Is that even a real word? by Rufferto	Jul 30th, 2008 03:23:16 PM
People still use that term as a positive selling point?
Wow - Wall-E hasnt hit 200 mil yet. by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 03:23:27 PM
Grossing more than the GDP of every country ending in "istan" is nothing to sneeze at but one has to wonder about how many moobies Dark Knight is going to sink in its titanic-sized wake. Think Tropic Thunder or Bangkok Dangerous or Pineapple Express can derail it? I don't...
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"Omni Consumer Products... by Kid Z	Jul 30th, 2008 03:39:23 PM
... "turned me into a cyborg... Aw HELL nawww!"
Buckaroo Banzai... by Kid Z	Jul 30th, 2008 03:43:01 PM
...aint' gonna happen with Peter Weller... guy's a history professor now. (Not kidding, look it up)
enderandrew by onephatnelly	Jul 30th, 2008 03:45:22 PM
Yeah, so they did. My bad. But for the producers to even take that stance is diabolical, considering the major love for the original movie.
Don't know if Dark Knight will best Titanic by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 03:54:50 PM
Just because of the huge female repeat business for a romantic tragic tale. Like the women that see Dirty Dancing for 73 times.
Verhoeven vs. Aronofsky by Hikaru Ichijo	Jul 30th, 2008 03:55:21 PM
I knew a bunch of people who loved PIE, but I thought it was pretentious and adroit. I got to spoon a memorable fling while watching Requiem, which elevated that film for me, but otherwise I found it to be maudlin. Aronofsky should definitely get into some genre stuff, but Robocop is simply too unique to be trifled with. Starship Troopers and Total Recall make a nice trilogy of sorts, I suggest you film fest the three of them some weekend. Showgirls is great, but Hollow Man was only recently re-released in it's intended form, and is the flick that ran Paul out of Hollywood, so let's not pretend that what we saw actually reflects on the filmmaker. In all, Verhoeven's movies leave an intentional bad taste in your mouth (Like I do to Rolling Thunder) and that is what earns them such loyalty. Nobody, not even Aronofsky, is going to make a better version of Robocop, or any of Verhoeven's films. There is so much in his flicks that can't be easily described. He makes the thinking man's exploitation.
How does one become a movie exec? by Mr_X	Jul 30th, 2008 03:55:35 PM
seriously? hollywood has run out of ideas. which reimaging has actually worked in recent times? batman doesnt count as that mythology has been constantly reimaged in the comics, nor bond. for fucks sake robocop? seriously? maybe im whiney cause all the movies i watched as a kid are now being "reimaged". there's nothing wrong with the movies as they stand!
Kid Z by skimn	Jul 30th, 2008 03:56:50 PM
I know, I read that a few years ago. Thats why I was so suprised by his appearance on "24". I think he specializes on Egypt.
Skimn - that is a damn good point by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 04:24:51 PM
Women notoriously don't go to films alone and will drag hubby, b/f, girlfriend, sacrificial victim along with them where as men find it a lot harder to drag her around and have no problem batchin' it. Simplistic but you get my point. The one thing that Dark Knight has going for it is a lack of competition for the foreseeable future. As I said, do you see Pineapple Express, Mirrors, Bangkok Dangerous or Tropic Thunder knocking it off? I don't and it'll be interesting to see where Batman ends up. 500 mil is a guarantee.
ROBOCOP IN BUSHWICK. by believe_it	Jul 30th, 2008 04:30:38 PM
believe it.
An ability to secure international financing = movie exec by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 30th, 2008 04:30:48 PM
The movie business has been always that - fucking business - but there's a really interesting link on IMDB to the New York Times talking about Spielberg needing to go to a Mumbai-based group to get the financing Dreamworks needs. They also quote Spielberg's directing fee - 20% off the very first dollar. Folks, thats some heavy green.
Vern: I'd totally see "Popeye Begins" by ZeroCorpse	Jul 30th, 2008 04:43:11 PM
With a hard PG-13 or R-rating and dark-n-moody storytelling style, it has the potential to kick ass. In it Popeye loses his squinky eye in the most "arful battle o' his life" and discovers spinach at the very end. Olive Oyl isn't even in it. In fact, it could be based on the Thimble Theater stuff with Ham Gravy. Yeah. Make that movie and I'm in line.
This actually sounds good. by GetEveryone	Jul 30th, 2008 04:43:21 PM
I never really understand the problem fans of a certain work have with a remake. okay, the vast majority are needless but it isn't as if the original has been wiped off the face of the earth. There simply happen to be two versions of a movie. As it is, YAY for this: Violent; fairly well-proven director; similar tone. I look forward to seeing what happens.
can somebody explain the appeal of The Prestige? by Spandau Belly	Jul 30th, 2008 04:44:47 PM
Look, I'm with you guys on Nolan making good movies. I like all his films to different degrees, but I really fucking hated The Prestige. It was like a really shitty version of Amadeus that just kept lying to you but expecting you to remain interested. I felt like they became so obesessed with the fractured timeline structure of the film being a big puzzle that they didn't realize that once you put it all together the story wasn't compelling, the characters were assholes, and it was about dudes pulling bunny rabbits out of hats. And that shot at the end of a third Christian Bale growing in the vat? That was unforgivable! I mean, when Roland Emmerich pulled that in Godzilla by showing the one Godzilla egg that Matt Broderick forgot to smash and it starts to hatch it was cheesy, but putting a twist/sequel-setup like that in this kind of movie was retarded. Other than Scar Jo's attempt at a Pommish accent the acting was good, pity they were all playing such fucking cunts. I think they should've taken that chunk with David Bowie and just released that as the movie. Who cares if it's half an hour? It's good.
ZeroCorpse by GetEveryone	Jul 30th, 2008 04:48:18 PM
I like you.
How about getting by wellgoodgravy	Jul 30th, 2008 04:49:42 PM
Chris Pinekirk as the lead? Sequelitis is already in the air anyway. Bring on RoboKirk.
lioner, I didn't mention Munich because... by Spandau Belly	Jul 30th, 2008 04:51:03 PM
it's a good movie. But come on, Spielberg makes one good (not great) movie in the last ten years, that was largely good because it was a good script and topical and I'm expected to act like this guy is still on some gold standard? I mean the guy produced Transformers, directed Indy 4 into the dirt, and as a guy who has his pick of projects chose The Terminal? This isn't 1990 anymore, so I'll take Nolan's output of 1 decent gimmick movie (Memento), 1 worthwhile well-crafted remake (Insomnia), 1 clusterfuck with good acting and some well-executed scenes (The Prestige), and 2 solid superhero movies over Spielburg's 1 good movie (Munich) and I won't look back.
FUCKING HELL! by travis-dane	Jul 30th, 2008 04:53:12 PM
State of the Art Bang Bang... Daddy,can I play?
Lioner by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 04:53:28 PM
I think we shall just have to disagree sir, I dont belive Nolan to be a poor filmaker, I think all his movies have been at the very least good, I kinda know what you mean with his lack of identity but I dont think that makes him a poor filmaker and you say he lacks use of colour I thought that his Batman movies use mainly only Orange and Black? O and Munich is great.
Nolan vs Spielberg....... by travis-dane	Jul 30th, 2008 04:55:40 PM
has it really come down to this......
Yes, JackRabbitSlim, bad movies make money too... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 04:59:30 PM
But when a good movie makes money, especially the type of RECORD-BREAKING money we're talking about here, I think execs should take notice. And I personally feel TDK is a great great great movie. I hear people complain about it (mostly here) and the bs they complain about is so trivial (i.e. I didnt like the costume) Excuse me, but the script is a lot more important than the batsuit! IMO, TDK had a great story, great cast, great acting, great script, etc. That's what mainstream movies need nowadays! They need to be multi-layered. That's why movies like Robocop, Terminator(2), Total Recall, Die Hard, Alien(s),etc were so good. Sure, the action was always a major ingredient but you also had interesting characters you CARED about placed in extraordinary, amazing situations. It wasn't JUST a movie with a robot cop or a guy in a building fighting terrorists, or a chick fighting aliens... These movies were more than that. And if they were just that, we wouldn't be discussing these films 10, 20, 30 years after their release and Hollywood wouldn't be remaking them.
drturing, interesting parallels by Spandau Belly	Jul 30th, 2008 05:01:36 PM
but I still found Batman a sympathetic character, same goes for Harvey Dent, and Rachel Dawes and Jim Gordon. And I can't really blame Batman for The Joker's actions and terrorism. The Joker was obsessed with Batman, but that's not Batman's fault. And these guys directly represent order and anarchy for Gotham. Whereas in The Prestige these guys don't represent anything beyond an amusing show for Londonners, but they treat their women like shit, squander fortunes, hurt each other and others physically, and all for a silly show. I get that their rivalry was born out of Jackman blaming Bale for his sweetheart's death, but his relationship with her was built on nothing but lies so I can't really pity his loss or identify with his outrage. I feel sorry for her, but she's dead ten minutes into this thing.
lioner by BrightEyes	Jul 30th, 2008 05:05:08 PM
Any human that thinks that Darren Arronofsky and Len Wiseman make the same kind of films , looses every single ounce of credibility. Honestly that is maybe the most retarded statement ever in a talkback.
Well.. by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 05:06:40 PM
said MrHazard I big complaints I hear people complain about is the "plot holes" in TDK, like what does the Joker do at the party after Bat and Rach go out the window, or when Dent and Rach are kiddnaped, some people just need to be shown everything, god forbid the director might actualy trust you to have and use your brain and connect the dots yourself. Hate to see what these people think of No Country.
Spandau.. by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 05:12:41 PM
Hughs and his wife had a normal relationship, not based on lies, they shared everything. Do you mean Bales relationship with his wife? Even so they tell you at the end why they each go so far I cant remember Bales excuse but Im pretty sure Hughs was "the look on their (audience) faces"
Nolan's strength as a director... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 05:18:56 PM
It's not fancy camera tricks (which pretty much any hack can do if they want to) or action sequences (even tho I love the TDK chase scene with Dent, Joker, and Batman). His strength IMHO is defining characters and building drama between opposing characters. Probably the main reason why I love The Prestige is the feud between Jackman and Bale. It rises slowly and gradually throughout the entire movie AND you find yourself rooting for BOTH men to win. Neither is a hero or a villian and they BOTH have their logical reasons to oppose the other. He accomplishes the same thing in TDK with Batman/Joker and Dent/Gordon. I love in the beginning when Gordon asks Batman if they should go after Joker and Batman declines "one man or the entire mob... he can wait..." By the end of the film, the Joker is his main obsession. Same thing with Dent/Gordon. During the first half of the movie, Dent is telling Gordon to take a look at his corrupt precinct and in the end crooked cops are the reason Dent loses his fiance and his life. But Nolan doesn't "beat you over the head" with these themes. He accomplishes telling these stories in a more subtle way than other directors nowadays. I also think he brings out the best in actors. I mean really, was there ANY bad performances in TDK? Even Julia Roberts' brother was good!!!
drturing by Spandau Belly	Jul 30th, 2008 05:21:52 PM
Yes, one of the Nolans' writing strengths is how they develope good dynamics between men and escalate them over the course of a movie. I understand that obession was a theme of The Prestige and these guys kept talking about "the discipline" of their trade and they both sacrifice pretty much everything else to be the top magician (a goal I don't understand), but I guess the level of competition they rose to just didn't seem necessary to amuse a few people with some dinky tricks on a Saturday night. I forget whether both Bales were sharing one wife physically (hella gross) but I remember that she didn't know he was a twin and that they switched shifts in terms of living with her and pretending to be one man. The one brother wearing a disguise when they went out together I could buy. But brothers sharing a wife? That's not discipline and dedication to an artform, that's just fucked up and cruel. So yeah, I hated both these guys, and with just cause I think.
Only.. by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 05:26:27 PM
1 brother loved her though the one who did the coin trick, the other with the little ball trick who got hung was in love with Scarlet, I think the one who lived that was his real daughter and I dont belive the other brother boned his wife just Scarlet
Robocop: First 30 minutes are masterful. by Knuckleface	Jul 30th, 2008 05:31:20 PM
The first 30 to 40 minutes of Robocop is a master-class in direction, editing and cinematography, but the film stops being innovative shortly after Robo goes online. Anyone who truly understands the film language knows exactly what I'm talking about. I've heard the movie went way over-budget and that Vorhoeven had a lot of fights with the studio. Maybe that's why the movie loses it's way?
Duh... by Rupee88	Jul 30th, 2008 05:46:15 PM
it obviously wasn't going to be a sequel because the past movies aren't that good and don't set up a very interesting universe. They will just take the basic premise and change most everything else including making a different looking robocop.
Clarence Boddiker cannot be topped by Immortal_Fish	Jul 30th, 2008 05:49:26 PM
He's my most favorite movie villain ever, with Romero from Escape from New York a close second. What was Clarence? All of 150lbs? Short, thin, balding, spectacled... and his name was CLARENCE! And yet he was way sinister and commanded respect. Loved him. Loved how he chewed up the scenery. Love how he continuously stuffed shit up his nose throughout the movie as an afterthought, even merlot. And, yes, "Bitches, leave" is an awesome line, better than "Guns. Guns! GUNS!" yet not quite as great as "You can keep the gum." None of these, however, can match how he signed the paperwork at the pig pen, followed by "Just give me my fucking phone call." I'm not saying there won't be better movie villains to come, ever. Just that, in a Robocop universe, Clarence was the shit. He's yet to be topped in any other telling of Robocop (i.e. the sequels, miniseries, animated, comics, etc.) and I doubt a remake would offer a better foil. Even if they were to "reimagine" Clarence himself along with Robo. It would be like trying to outdo Ledger's Joker. At least for me. I hear what you guys are saying about wanting to bring back Verhoven. He's my second-most favorite director. But bringing him back would be like bringing Carpenter back to do a remake of the THING. Not a sequel, mind you, but a remake. What's the point? What new material would it offer; new ground would it break? It'd be the PSYCHO remake all over again. Again, I love Verhoven, but he'd be necessary for a sequel, not a remake. Although I'm heavily invested in the first flick, nothing that has come since has impressed me, so I'm open to a Singeresque "continuation of the first film that disregards the sequels" (and anything else in the entire mythos for that matter).
My problem with the PRESTIGE by Immortal_Fish	Jul 30th, 2008 05:50:47 PM
Why not just clone the money instead of himself? And why did Tesla give Jackman the macguffin in the first place?
About going Robo-tipping by Immortal_Fish	Jul 30th, 2008 05:58:42 PM
That was explored in second film. Robo was bagged pretty easily. None of you remember how he was "stripped" while Hog was forced to watch? BTW, Robo's "fluidity" (or whatever you call it for a film made in 1990) was also explored when he busted the crack den. Remember him targeting foes using reflections and intentionally looking away whilst aiming?
Len Wiseman, he's so Hot right now! by pokadoo	Jul 30th, 2008 05:59:35 PM

Wait, I screwed up by Immortal_Fish	Jul 30th, 2008 06:00:36 PM
Hog wasn't forced to watch while Robo was stripped. That was the songbird cop. Duffy? MLcDuffy? C䑈an't remember. Anyway, Hog delighted while Robo was stripped by my recollection. An odd parallel as it were.
Dick Jones > Clarence Boddiker by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 06:01:59 PM
That being said, no way they get villians THIS interesting/entertaining for the remake...
I actually have Robocop and Prestige on my DVR... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 06:03:41 PM
Dont know which one to watch tho...
Fish by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 06:05:30 PM
I think Hugh was already rich or he probly did clone the money too, and Tesla warns him to destroy it, as it will bring him nothing but pain, (also look into the real Tesla the man was a genius, who got shafted by Edison) and about RoboCop I agree I think he was fluid enough in the fight with Kane at the end of No2, not the best effects but still an awesome fight I think.
Flames on Robocop by I am not a number	Jul 30th, 2008 06:06:47 PM
and nipples too. Starring Shia LaBeouf as Robocop!
Oh yeah, and Hugh Jackman is damn good in The Prestige... by Mrhazard	Jul 30th, 2008 06:14:21 PM
I'm not his biggest fan but I thought he was pretty good. Actually I was quite surprised how good he was in it. But again, like TDK, everybody is good in it.
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