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George Lucas And The Challenge Of INDY 5!!

first? by wbrownley	Jul 28th, 2008 02:42:46 PM

Ahem, indeed by SpencerTrilby	Jul 28th, 2008 02:42:49 PM

crystal skull... by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 02:42:57 PM
sucked ass
2nd by TheBostonStrangler	Jul 28th, 2008 02:43:00 PM

............... w o w .............. by Dogma_Jedi	Jul 28th, 2008 02:43:12 PM
hope they can figure something out
OOoooohhhh by lb	Jul 28th, 2008 02:43:13 PM
Sad to say but the quality of IJ4 shows that there was alot of trouble behind the scenes. A direct example of too many cooks in the kitchen
George Lucas is the future? by zacdilone	Jul 28th, 2008 02:43:14 PM
God I hope not.
this article was in the clone wars talkback by wbrownley	Jul 28th, 2008 02:44:06 PM
just saying
Or not by TheBostonStrangler	Jul 28th, 2008 02:44:17 PM
Loved the snake scene in Crystal Skull. Pure Genius!
FIRST!!! And... by alanmoore	Jul 28th, 2008 02:44:37 PM
Yep, sounds like George "Franchisicide" Lucas is at it again. YOU FREAKIN' TWAT, GEORGE! Of COURSE Speilberg wants it in the past. Y'know why? 'CAUSE IT ROCKED THAT WAY! But oh no. I'm sure you'd much rather have cute little gophers and vine-swinging monkeys. Way to cock things up, George. Way to cock . . . it . . . up.
I saw it in the theater... by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 02:44:38 PM
opening night, after tha i tried watching it online and i couldn´t stand 15 minutes of it!!! (and the first 15 minutes are the good ones)
Can this be the no Eggtard room please? by The Eskimo	Jul 28th, 2008 02:45:47 PM

George Lucas... by darshn22	Jul 28th, 2008 02:45:52 PM
Please retire...
I really... by Dax_Bladerunner	Jul 28th, 2008 02:46:08 PM
don't know what to say. Would I love more Indy? Sure. Do I really want aliens in the story? Not so much.
Lucas sir... by CrazyGnome	Jul 28th, 2008 02:47:34 PM
If you make a new film that isn't a sequel and it is a success, then you can 'maybe' talk some smack. If Steven wants it a different way then you, I might listen to him. You are not in the same league with him anymore sir.
I wouldn´t mind an IJ film set in the 60s... by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 02:48:27 PM
maybe George can make Indy go to the moon on the Apollo space program or some shit like that!
I call bullshit on George! by Mr Slippy Fist	Jul 28th, 2008 02:48:33 PM
George was the reason this movie sucked so much ass. His fingerprints were all over this piece of shit, much like TPM and AotC. Retire George, retire.
Please Lord No! by bobjustbob	Jul 28th, 2008 02:48:42 PM
That interview was one monkey short of an Indy movie.
Its pretty obvious there is some Lucas hate behind this post... by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 02:50:02 PM
But to me the most important quote in this post is: "when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level." Spielberg should have just taken marching orders from Lucas like he did with the early films. There was nothing really wrong with those (I hated Doom but most people seem to love that one) and from what I understand it was Lucas' painful divorce and hiring Willard Hyuck (Lucas' longtime friend) that made that film what it is...The movie that most Indy fans seem to enjoy the most. Not me but I know its the most popular. So its interesting to me when Lucas is constantly being blamed for things that I believe are clearly Spielberg's fault. Let us not forget one of SS's recent trainwrecks War Of The Worlds. And much of Indy 4 is reminiscent of what was wrong with that film...And Lucas had NOTHING to do with WOTW. "Dad, I need to see this!" FUCK THAT SHIT
Indiana Jones Part 4 was awesome! by Telestream	Jul 28th, 2008 02:50:32 PM
I do don't understand why people get angry at it! You can tell some parts (not all) were ripped off from Mummy but STILL! If Mr. Lucas has an idea--go go go!
sometimes I wonder... by Neil_the_Sheep	Jul 28th, 2008 02:51:52 PM
...if George Lucas has his head so far up his own ass he can't function anymore...or if he's the only one only the planet who doesn't buy into his own hype...and really sees his own work the way it really is...I can't decide...on that note...keep making indy movies as long as you can...I'll be there for every one
Telestream... by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 02:52:04 PM
You belong with the cum guy
Indiana Jones and the weird facial hair on Lucas's fat face! by CobraKai	Jul 28th, 2008 02:52:58 PM

GROSS! by Telestream	Jul 28th, 2008 02:53:01 PM
No way! You're so gross. (Why?)
Why the fuck would anyone listen to you, George?! by BlackBanana	Jul 28th, 2008 02:54:14 PM
I'm sorry, but between the two of you, Steven's track-record is waaaay more solid. And you still haven't issued a formal apology for the goddamn prequels, asshat.
Eskimo... by maxwell's hammer	Jul 28th, 2008 02:54:23 PM
He only highjacks the talkback when you engage with him. On that note, I shall never speak of him again. Concerning Indiana Jones, I really wish Lucas would sit tight in his role as 'Ideas Man', and let other people put those ideas into motion, bending and altering the idea as necessary to tell a good story. In theory, I enjoyed 'Crystal Skull', but you could see Lucas's fingerprints all over the aspects of the film that dragged it down. I know he was an inovative maverick back in the day, but there's this weird goofball quality now to his work that overshadows the great ideas he concocts (i.e. Tarzan-Shai, Jar-Jar Binks, Jedi Rocks, etc.) I'd much rather see a Speilberg Indiana Jones movie based on a Lucas idea, than a Speilberg/Lucas/Ford collaboration mish-mash.
George lucas is walking proof... by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 02:55:42 PM
of what hollywood does to creative talent, the guy´s a joke now! people in the 70s must´ve thought he was the second coming or something, look at him now!!!
EXACTLY!! by Telestream	Jul 28th, 2008 02:57:11 PM
Yes, Maxwell's Hamer, that was my whole exactly! Ideas.
One of these two men is a creative successful man by HypeEndsHere	Jul 28th, 2008 02:57:21 PM
with a resume of quality film direction that dates back to the mid-seventies and most recently has been supplying audiences with some of the most powerful films of his career. The other is George Lucas.
I would also add... by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 02:58:24 PM
That Spielberg was the director of Indy 4...Not Lucas. So every point that people want to make about the story problems and blaming Lucas for them...That doesn't mean you can blame GL for the horrendous acting throughout the film. That is Spielberg's job...To work with the actors. The performances were awful and that was completely his department and his fault. Stop blaming everything on GL. Its childish.
fassbinder... by maxwell's hammer	Jul 28th, 2008 02:58:37 PM
In my opinion, there wasn't really anything wrong with War of the Worlds. I really enjoyed it, and found that most of the negativity stemmed from Tom Cruise backlash, and all the fanboys who like to shit on stuff to make themselves feel cool With that said, what about Crystal Skull was remeniscent about WoW, and to what end did that make both movies bad?
So let me get this straight.... by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 28th, 2008 02:59:36 PM
....the reason Indy IV sucked so much godawful dick was mainly due to Lucas and the 'shift' in tone and quality he insisted upon? Well, not exactly fucking surprised there, boys and gals. Also, why does his description of making another one sound like he's describing squeezing out a turd? Oh and Harry, Blu-Ray won as you know. I rule.
Lucas doesn't have anyone else to blame for prequels by wash	Jul 28th, 2008 02:59:49 PM
That's why you'll never hear him bad mouth them.
EGGSALAD. by Telestream	Jul 28th, 2008 03:00:44 PM
That is very strange for you to say (type) that. Maybe YOU want to have some egg slad? LOL!!!!
That said.... by HypeEndsHere	Jul 28th, 2008 03:01:44 PM
Indiana Jones and the Neck of Colossal Circumference. You may begin.
HypeEndsHere by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:01:59 PM
"The most powerful films of his career" ? Let me see... The Terminal - Fuck No War Of The Worlds - Fuck No Munich - Sweaty Eric Bana swinging his wet hair around during sex in slow mo - TOTAL CRAPOLA Spielberg has made some stinkers and its time that people called him out on it. Indy 4 - Turd Juice of the highest order
Lucas wanted it this way... by Kentucky Colonel	Jul 28th, 2008 03:02:42 PM
everybody else wanted it the other way. I BETCHA!
If most Talkbackers were dogs they'd be Chi-WAH-WAHs... by MCVamp	Jul 28th, 2008 03:03:42 PM
Sorry. I'm not forgiving a bad movie, but at least GL tried to put something out there for the millions who were bothering about it for 20 years. Maybe that's why he resisted doing it (and Star Wars) for so long...he wasn't sure he could do it justice. But every geek and the mother they live with was hounding and hounding and so he said "fuck it, let's get back in the game so they'll shut up." Well, all he did was make it worse. So he tried to do INDY again, thinking Spielberg could right the ship. Oops, maybe not. Well, whatever. Let it go and enjoy the 1000 other movies that come and go in the next few years. Re: "Steven is in the past, I'm in the future..." Sounds like Spielberg wanted something mystical because he has specific beliefs about depicting aliens and George wanted something sci-fi because he'd already done the two biggest religious artifacts possible and wanted to reflect the era with some pulp sci-fi. So it wasn't great, well...hey, "Batman & Robin" sucked, but somehow Batman managed to survive, you know?
I don't even think he cares by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 03:04:24 PM
what the fans think, or Steven, or anybody really. Spielberg is right for wanting to maintain some of the less modern sensibilities for new Indy films. Part of why they were so cool was because the stuff felt like it was really happening. that guy was really being drapped behind the back of a truck with a whip. those dudes were really fighting on top of a tank. If Spielberg does not have equal say then no more Indy for me.
Indy 4 was good, though uneven by Atticus Finch	Jul 28th, 2008 03:05:10 PM
Pleanty of classic Indy, but the nuclear blast, monkey swinging, waterfall driving was pretty dumb. Take out those parts and you have a classic Indy movie. Yet my 7 year old nephew and the 4 and 8 year old sons of my friend say their favorite part was the monkey swinging, so what do I know?
so lemme guess by Bouncy X	Jul 28th, 2008 03:05:52 PM
Indy 4 will become the next Phantom Menace where people will still be bitching over and over about it over 10yrs after its gone. i mean how hard is it to get over it? oh and more stuff that was Lucas's fault but Spielberg's : the location shooting. i've seen many complain that everything looks fake because its all sets and soundstages well it was Spielberg's decision, he didnt wanna leave america to film.
Who gives a fuck by VegasRon	Jul 28th, 2008 03:06:07 PM
what Lucas wants?
Lucas and Carter by SeymourClearly	Jul 28th, 2008 03:06:28 PM
Chris Carter is the new George Lucas! Just writing shit for the sake of writing shit!
Cant believe he just confessed that... by m_reporter	Jul 28th, 2008 03:07:07 PM
... hes responsible for everything that sucked about Indy 4. I mean, we all kinda knew it, but damn. And, I really liked Indy 4, it's flawed as shit but I liked it. Anyway, I think the good old George is starting to buy the crap his own hype machine is producing. Either that, or hes completely clueless.
Sounds like Lucas wants Jar Jar in Indy 5 by Barmat	Jul 28th, 2008 03:08:00 PM
I think Lucas is done creating cool movies.
What's the deal here...? by loserguy3000	Jul 28th, 2008 03:09:01 PM
All this site does is bash, bash, bash Lucas. Funny stuff, really, when the guy basically created the entire geek-o-sphere you ooze your juices over all the time. Still, last time I checked the last Indy movie played out fine, made shit-tons of money, and that haven of perfection you nerds love to quote so much (RottenTomatoes) has it ranked fairly highly. Seems the only ones who were disappointed - surprise - were the talkback nerds and geeks. But they're always disappointed, unless told not to be. Plus, why always blame Lucas for things you couldn't possibly know? You assume certain scenes in Indy 4 were his...so let's blame Georgie! Yeah, that's the ticket. If its goofy, its gotta be Lucas. Bitch, bitch...if the internet were around i9n '77 it'd be a colder, sadder world right about now. Get this through your heads: your FANS, not producers or directors, or writers, or any such thing. If you were successful, you wouldn't be here slumming it up unless you had a movie to promote. Studios love to use your pathetic and clockwork bitching to hype a movie (Rambo, anyone) and even plan on it. You think the recent 'news' with that Fanboys movie shit was an accident? Its all about promotion, because you talkback nerds may never be right...you are predictable. Like fucking teenage girls to Miley Cyrus...go buy your Star Wars toys and see Dark Knight for the ten-thousand time and find more reasons to bitch, bitch. Collect your toys, read your comics, and wonder why nobody will ever rock your world like Alf did on network TV so long, long ago. You contribute nothing except hilarity to Hollywood, of which you ironically aspire, yet spend all day degrading. Its been said before, but if all you do it bitch go write, direct, and produce your own films and we'll see what happens. P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C!!
MAN, THAT EXPLAINS ALOT! by Darth_Kaos	Jul 28th, 2008 03:09:06 PM
Indy 4 sucked, it sucked hard! And this is coming from a guy who saw all the Indy movies during it's original releases (ok, I'm showing my age a little, but I was 8 when I saw Raiders!) Anyway - it sounds like Steven wanted to preserve what came before, while good ol' George wanted to forget it. Awwww, Imagine if Steven had made it his way? Alright, who am I kidding, it would have still came out shitty.
i'll be the first to bash Lucas... by maxwell's hammer	Jul 28th, 2008 03:09:15 PM
...but if Speilberg was responsible for all the soundstages, well shame on him. Those opening scenes at the Area 51 warehouse kind of put me in a bad frame of mind for the rest of the movie.
maxwell's hammer by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:09:39 PM
I actually like Tom Cruise in quite a few films including one of Spielberg's (Minority Report). What did I find wrong with War Of The Worlds? 1. People running towards the aliens when they were attacking. 2. A terrible performance by the son 3. One of the worst screenplays I've ever seen 4. One of the worst endings I've ever seen ...What was up with the house in Boston being in perfect condition. 5. I got more scares watching Mars Attacks 6. I got more scares and felt more honest to goodness suspense watching Cloverfield. 7. "Dad I need to see this." 8. Tim Robbins was awful 9. There was absolutely no chemistry between Cruise and his family. Spielberg has lost his soul as a filmmaker. I haven't felt for the characters in his films for quite sometime (with the exception) of Catch Me If You Can. 10. Alluding to 9/11 inappropriately when the movie carried no sense of genuine dread whatsoever. 11. "Dad I need to see this..." 12. The goofiest looking aliens this side of Mac And Me. That basement scene was ridiculous. It was like watching SS struggling to capture the old Jurassic magic and not succeeding at all. It was embarrassing to watch quite frankly.
"I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past." by Le Vicious Fishus	Jul 28th, 2008 03:09:50 PM
BWAAAA HAA HAA HAA!!! Let's try that again: "[Lucas is] a fat, has-been-shadow-of-his-former- self-hack--nay, the granddaddy of all hacks; Steven actually has a smidgen of artistic integrity left and might conceivably pull a masterpiece out of his hat (though it's very doubtful)." Spielberg: please stay far away from this man from here on out. He's (artistically speaking) cinematic poison.
George Lucas has chosen a huge ego and here's why... by Cletus Van Damme	Jul 28th, 2008 03:10:10 PM
...his handsome, lustrous head of hair and magnificent man-beard will be the only things left after the: a) Zombies kill us all b) SkyNet becomes sentient c) Joel Schumacher signs on to Batman III d) All the above
Also, Monkey-Shia was Spielberg's idea! by Atticus Finch	Jul 28th, 2008 03:10:59 PM
Al least, this is what I've read.
Bouncy by VegasRon	Jul 28th, 2008 03:12:48 PM
Yes, please, defend Lucas and tell us to "get over" those shitty prequels. Indy 4 sucked, btw. MONKIES.
The REAL challenge of Indy 5 by ZoeFan	Jul 28th, 2008 03:12:58 PM
Is keeping Shia sober.
George Lucas is all about Shia and the Flying Monkeys by Flipao	Jul 28th, 2008 03:13:11 PM
That and the Gophers, that's the future right there.
Indiana Jones... by jimmy rabbitte	Jul 28th, 2008 03:13:12 PM
...and the descent into suckage... Why George, why?
Lucas - "All I want to do is make art films" by THXER	Jul 28th, 2008 03:13:33 PM
BULLSHIT!
Talkback... by DocPazuzu	Jul 28th, 2008 03:13:51 PM
...gonna 'SPLODE!!!!
Monkey's were the best (one of) part! by Telestream	Jul 28th, 2008 03:13:56 PM
Sort of like the part in Star Wars part 1 with Luke and Laya...which was George Lucas TOO, so, Spielber maybe, but still...
INDIANA JONES 5? by Leafy McPlantsalot	Jul 28th, 2008 03:14:05 PM
Wouldn't they have to make an Indiana Jones 4, first?
Lucas v Spielberg by TurdontheRun	Jul 28th, 2008 03:14:10 PM
it's side-splittingly hilarious the amount of flack lucas gets for, well...everything. the fact of the matter is, indy 4 is mostly spielberg's fault. the berg has been phoning in all his 'popcorn' films for a while now. he still does good work when it comes to 'serious' material like munich, but his days as a master of genre films are well and truly over (and i'd loved to be proved wrong, i really would). lucas is responsible for story ideas only - spielberg has the veto power for the final cut. so that tarzan stuff and all the rest of the nonsense is likely from him.and consider this- temple of doom wipes the floor with the pedestrian last crusade. which one has more of lucas's sensibilties, and which one has more of spielberg's?
Indiana Jones and the radioactive fridge by chewyou812	Jul 28th, 2008 03:14:26 PM
Speilberg is the only reason there was even a glimmer of the 1st three films. Lucas is off his Meds or something.
The challenge of INDY 5 is simple... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 28th, 2008 03:14:40 PM
DON'T SUCK. I blame everyone for the failure that was INDY 4. I don't know what George or Steven's problem is/was. But I've never seen such a tepid attempt at former glory.
Ford needs to take roles that are suitable for his age by superunknown85	Jul 28th, 2008 03:16:10 PM
The way other actors like Anthony Hopkins, Brian Cox, and Robert Redford have done. Ford's days as an action hero are over.
Fact Is... by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:17:00 PM
As much as I admire Lucas a great deal and Spielberg's Jaws will always be one of the best films ever made... Nolan is the new filmmaking master...Period. No ifs ands or buts about it. With BB, Prestige and now Dark Knight he owns summer and is one of greatest storytellers of our time. A commercial pop genius. A true magician. I can't wait to see what Nolan does next and I pray to god he and his brother can steer as far clear of Lucas as possible. I was bummed to hear that Jonathan is writing Interstellar for Spielberg. Don't do it! You don't need him!!!!!!! He needs you!!!!
I meant to say Spielberg...Not Lucas by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:17:44 PM
Look what all of you have done to me.
ZoeFan... by Aquatarkusman	Jul 28th, 2008 03:17:48 PM
... I was thinking the same thing. It could be a 2-minute movie, where Indy Jr. flips the Jeep during a chase after taking 8 Goldschlager shots.
fassbinder... by maxwell's hammer	Jul 28th, 2008 03:18:08 PM
I appreciate your attempt to defend your not liking WoW, but general statements like "One of the worst screenplays I've ever read" and "Tim Robbins was awful" aren't really going to persuade me. And your intent may not actually be to persuade me, but can you be more specific? Because i don't think the screenplay sucked. And I don't think Tim Robbins did either. Critique the movie for me. Don't just whine about it.
Damn you Michael Bay by O_Goncho	Jul 28th, 2008 03:18:44 PM

had to watch Indy IV twice by m00kiedood	Jul 28th, 2008 03:19:27 PM
Took the whole family to see Indy IV (including my 8 yr old son, the biggest living Indy fan kid on the planet, who wore his Indy fedora to the screening). We were all a bit disappointed, most of all my 8y. old Indy fan. We had watched the other three films repeatedly up till then, and I found myself sitting for a lot of the time in the movie over thinking it, noticing how it just didn't stack up. I thought that was probably the last time we'd get a chance to see an Indy film on the big scren (and it was the first time my kids had ever seen an Indy film on the big screen), and so after a few weeks said "screw that!" and I took my kids back. We all enjoyed it alot better the second time. Didn't sit and keep reviewing how it wasn't quite what I'd hoped -- just watched it. Noticed a lot of fun details I hadn't, the first time, and came out of it thinking "hey, I just watched an Indiana Jones movie". My kids all liked it better on the second viewing. The thing is, once I chose to put aside all the stuff I didn't like (George's alien stuff, tarzan Shia, Marion's driving over the cliff, etc.), I was able to really pick up on the genuine Indy-ness that was the rest of it. There were a number of great touches that I was able to let soak in, but which were utterly obscured by the jarring moments of crapulence we had to endure the first time. It's not a ringing endorsement when you have to see a movie twice in order to like it. But at least I feel like if we never see an Indy film on the big screen again, my kids and I left the theatre feeling good that we saw an Indy film on the big screen. George: stop trusting your instincts.
Lucas is a horse's ass Indy 4 was... by Rick Flemming	Jul 28th, 2008 03:19:37 PM
coffee shits squirted willy-nilly into an otherwise prisine toilet bowl. Look, the guys (Weird-Beard) is clearly a putz. Can we all agree and go home? flemmingonfilms.blogspot.com
maxwell's hammer by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:21:03 PM
Life is too short for me to write a dissertation on why I didn't like War Of The Worlds. I'm not trying to sway you. War Of The Worlds was a piece of dog shit as far as I'm concerned. You're free to like it all you want.
After the Indi IV fiasco by Underdogthe3rd	Jul 28th, 2008 03:21:11 PM
I really could care less.
I just think of that part in SIDEWAYS by la_sith	Jul 28th, 2008 03:23:54 PM
When Miles tells Jack, "You're crazy. You've absolutely gone CRAZY." Folks, it's not even about greed. George Lucas has gone completely insane.
loserguy3000 by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 03:23:56 PM
thats why i hate him now, look at what sydney lumet does in his 80s and look at what GL does to his lifetime work! and DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD you couldnt be more right
Indy 4 was the best movie of the summer by strosmer	Jul 28th, 2008 03:24:06 PM
and the prequels were pure cinematic bliss, not the terrible films you think them to be, so be quiet, the lot of ya, and get ready for Indy 5 which will make $300 million in 5 days!
INDIANA JONES AND THE DAY HE DIED!! by Redfive!	Jul 28th, 2008 03:24:15 PM
Which of coarse was when Indy 4 came out.I mean Last Crusade had them running off into the sunset,so you can have your own ideas of what happens next ..and I bet it was better then shia leaobuf swinging on tree tops with monkeys.,
So it's Spielberg's fault for Indy IV, but Lucas is by SpencerTrilby	Jul 28th, 2008 03:24:24 PM
the only creative mind behind the "good" ones? That's precisely the kind of bullshit he tries to advocate in this interview. Spielberg has its faults, but the good bits in Indy IV have "The Beard" written all over (the opening scene in the hangar, the motorbike chase, the ants, the saucer shot) while many shitty parts are branded "The Neck" without a doubt (Prairie dog, vines...). Shia has the shared custody, I suppose.
A friend of mine told me a story recently that I found telling.. by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:27:39 PM
A british writer I believe turned down an offer from Steven Spielberg to write Tin-Tin in favor of doing Dark Shadows. And I'm not talking about DS the movie in development with Johnny Depp... ...I'm talking about DS as a revamped tv series in England. My friend told me the writer was quoted as saying something to the effect of "I've always loved Dark Shadows and how could I pass up that opportunity?" Something like that. Yeah well there used to be time when a person in the industry would say "its a chance to work with steven spielberg...How could I pass that up?" My how times have changed.
george lucas is retarded by Jubba	Jul 28th, 2008 03:27:50 PM
let the fans vote on a plot and fill THAT movie
I Truly Loved Indy 4 by BilboRing	Jul 28th, 2008 03:28:25 PM
I really do not get all the hate and bitterness. Even the fridge was fine. Over the top? Sure. Which Indy film is not over the top? I hope they do another Indy film but it does not sound like that is going to happen. For the record, I really liked War of the Worlds and really hated Temple of Doom. Tried to watch it again a few weeks ago but could not get past Kate Capshaw's character.
Lucas isn't directing Red Tails... by StarWarsRedux	Jul 28th, 2008 03:28:34 PM
That's the biggest bummer of this piece. Maybe it's more PC to get a black director, but still.
I'd like to see another one by kafka07	Jul 28th, 2008 03:29:09 PM
but only if they can avoid this complex tension and give us a good story. Maybe if they reliquish some control and bring in some fresh younger filmmakers, and just act as advisors. Something I think Lucas should have done with the last Star Wars trilogy. Maybe give the reins to the next Indy movie to the next Guillermo del Toro. You're not going to get good creativity with egos constantly battling.
WasntcLucas supposed to go work on small,quiet films? by Bass Ackwards	Jul 28th, 2008 03:29:40 PM
I thought after the prequels he was going to make small, terrible films, rather than the big terrible ones the prequels were. Instead it's been SW cartoons, Indy IV, SW animated movie, SW tv show, Indy V.:.
An open letter to Lucas/Spielberg/Ford by JohnFinley	Jul 28th, 2008 03:29:57 PM
Dear Mr. Lucas/Spielberg/Ford, If you can’t all agree then don’t shoot a crap script – fix it while it’s on paper and the fan’s nostalgic memories aren’t ruined! Or just don’t make the movie at all. I’m sure your respective families will not have to make great compromises in lifestyle if this movie never is made. Better yet – how about dusting off the creativity that made your films great instead of rehashing the glory days. Honestly, is all that you have left in your head stories about aliens and outer space? Come on. Remember back when it was art before it was a paycheck? Back when you made films on maxed out credit cards and lived like a broke college student just to get by? That’s when you really CARED how your movies turned out. Not your profit margin on your ‘investment.’ You guys better watch out, because I know a guy with a taste for canned tuna and 39 cent soup that still has some creativity. You better hope he doesn’t pick up a video camera, or you might be shown up by a guy named Ralph. Yeah! That is all.
Indy 4 sucked king kongs penis by hiperaktiv	Jul 28th, 2008 03:30:43 PM
truly a piece of shit film of epic hackery
i guess i have to repeat myself, it was requested by Bouncy X	Jul 28th, 2008 03:31:47 PM
get over it, they're just movies. dont like em, never watch them or speak of them again and your problem is solved. i realize thats easier said than done for people who've placed the originals on pedestals they dont even deserve but we all have hurdles to get over in life. but i cant deny its fun and funny watching people bitch and bitch the same recycled complaints whenever an article on lucas or a lucas project shows up. i bet they at AICN only post these stories to have a fun read from the reactions. :)
You've changed, dude. by therobcat	Jul 28th, 2008 03:32:54 PM
Seriously, George. What happened? I used to love you more than I love most of my family, but now... Wow. It's just so sad that you've become a Born Again Douche Bag. You used to be so... awesome... Money really does change people, huh? Please George, listen to Steven. He's at least mostly still awesome. People wanted to see an Indy flick that was like the old ones. Set in the universe that was established with the characters acting like themselves. Part of tyhe original charm of the films was that they were set in the past. Now, we're into this whole nostalgia on nostalgia kick... we just wannt see Indy punch a nazi. We want to see him active in a quest for something or other with crazy obsticles in his way. We don't need to see Indy meet Obi-Wan Kenobi or whatever. We certainly don't need any more GODDAMNED greenscreen. Fuck. Give yourself sixty million and make it right.
Bass Ackwards by fassbinder79	Jul 28th, 2008 03:33:11 PM
I actually would love to see some experimental indie films from lucas like he talked about years ago. I don't think they would suck as you do. I think that is probably what he needs to do to get himself back in the game.
This bickering is pointless. by DocPazuzu	Jul 28th, 2008 03:34:24 PM
You guys can keep arguing over who's to blame for how Indy 4 turned out, but the fact is that both beards are guilty. The reason Indy 4 was such an aenemic, malodorous armpit fart of a movie is because it's the bastard child of BOTH Binksian Lucas and Walkie-Talkian Spielberg. These guys were once GODS of genre cinema but have lost their faith somewhere along the way. They're simply going through the motions now, hoping that gobs of cash and big laffs will hide the stale odor emanating from their films.
Instead of an Anti-Boll Petition... by everstranger	Jul 28th, 2008 03:34:39 PM
Let's have an anti-Lucas petition so he stops making those horrible films. Boll is nothing, no one watches his movies anyways. While there are always tons of money and people pouring for Lucas' movies. And since 1992, THEY SUCK MAJOR DONKEY BALLS !!! Stop doing movies Lucas. Produce young talented directors, use our money for something decent !
John's right by ralph1965	Jul 28th, 2008 03:34:51 PM
I do eat ramen noodles and a can of tuna for lunch almost every day. I could probably film Harrison Ford eating my lunch and have it be more entertaining... and I actually like KotCS a little bit.
The music in temple is it's own character by General Crom	Jul 28th, 2008 03:36:10 PM
less is more-let the music fill the screen now and again. Shia the beef is the future of Indy so keep it in the past. And eggsalad-your older brother taught you to have a pottymouth.Now go and embarrass your parents in a restaurant or something.
The tension was obvious at the cannes Press conference by emeraldboy	Jul 28th, 2008 03:37:06 PM
Ford hated the story. The berg overruled him. I cant see ford signing up for another one. I just cant.
The tension was obvious at the cannes Press conference by emeraldboy	Jul 28th, 2008 03:37:27 PM
Ford hated the story. The berg overruled him. I cant see ford signing up for another one. I just cant.
God what would it take for Spielberg to tell... by jones1899	Jul 28th, 2008 03:37:51 PM
Lucas to shut the fuck up. Having read every script for Indy 4 except good ol David Inept's, its celar there were certain things Lucas HAD to see in Indy 4 - the tree things, the vine swinging, the aliens, Oxley, etc. Though Darabont did handle this thigns better then Keopp, the movie was still flawed from the start. Does anyone thing Stevie boy will step up like a man and tell Lucas to quit being a Fucktard adnd shut his Sea Gull lookin face? I can TOTALLY FORGIVE Indy 4 if 5 comes out swinging with a less kiddie tone. You don't have to dumb shit down for kids! Look at TDK. I had several kids in there who ate the shit up! AH. What I wouldn't give for the chance to talk to Steven or write the damned thing myself...
nostalgic memories... by Bouncy X	Jul 28th, 2008 03:38:15 PM
i dont understand people who feel their nostalgic memories are hurt or shit upon by the new movies. how can something in the future affect whats already happened in the past? it doesnt matter what happens now, whatever those older movies did for you will always have happened. i dont understand how a new movie can affect how you felt about an older movie years before the new movie even existed. i can sorta see the star wars complaint since they seem to wanna erase the non-special edition versions from existance but everything else, your older loved movie will always be there and nothing can change how you felt and still feel about, well at least nothing should. to stick to the movie in topic, i just dont understand how the new Indy, regardless of how good or bad you found it, can affect your opinion of the originals, especially if you've seen them long ago. look at me, repeatign myself too...oh my lord, i've become one of you....save me jeebus. :P
by jones1899	Jul 28th, 2008 03:38:47 PM

by jones1899	Jul 28th, 2008 03:38:49 PM

Man there were some typos in there! by jones1899	Jul 28th, 2008 03:39:13 PM

INDIANA JONES IN SPAAAAAACE by bacci40	Jul 28th, 2008 03:39:30 PM
lucas has lost it...he needs to be put in a home
lets hope speilberg wins! by Obscura	Jul 28th, 2008 03:40:05 PM
we need a secret underground nazi plot to take over the world, minimal shia lebouf, no aliens and at least one rooftop,jeep and motorbike chase that ends with a building blowing up. and some submarines. and a volcano. and a non cg monkey. and some gold of some kind! AT LEAST!
Obviously nobody got what they wanted. The movie was terrible by Knobules	Jul 28th, 2008 03:40:55 PM
Who is the dumbass that said "I want CGI monkeys to rescue Tarzan Le Boof". Most stupid scene EVER.
we're living during the Lucaust by Prossor	Jul 28th, 2008 03:42:30 PM
a massive genocide of all things that were great, it started in 1997 and has swelled to maniacal levels. i think we need foreign powers to invade the USA and free us from this totalitarian regime of Skywalker Ranch or go underground and wage a guerilla war
Enough Already, George Lucas by BackwardGalaxy	Jul 28th, 2008 03:43:37 PM
Spielberg wants to keep it in the past... Lucas wants to bring it in a whole new direction... It's funny to me that he is actually capable of SAYING what the problem is, but isn't able to recognize it as the problem. George Lucas needs to stop making movies before he kills whatever credibility as a filmmaker he has left. Oh wait, too late.
George Lucas "I’m in the future" by palewook	Jul 28th, 2008 03:44:04 PM
Sounds like he wants to replace Harrison and start with the son of Indy
Ford warned the berg not to do by emeraldboy	Jul 28th, 2008 03:44:25 PM
an overly nostalgic film but the berg pressed on reagardless. This franchise will end up like Leathal Weapon. There has been much talk of a fifth film but it wont happen. I think that they should let Darabont direct it. Heres one for the shia haters. He was arrested for DUI.
what a douche by zom-bot.com	Jul 28th, 2008 03:45:08 PM
seriously, the man keeps digging his own grave every time he does an interview.his swelling ego has gotten too big for his head and must be what is making his neck bulge out like a watermelon
spencer trilby by TurdontheRun	Jul 28th, 2008 03:46:30 PM
no, spielberg has an equal hand in how brilliant raiders turned out. that was back when both of them still cared and had something to prove. the point i was trying to make is that lucas has always been more interested in the visceral, adventure aspects of indiana jones, while spielberg is insistent in softening up the series with silly comedy, and family drama (shia the son, and henry jones sr.)after all, he's the one who to this day is apologetic for how 'dark' temple of doom was. the ants, the flying saucers, the warehouse, the nuclear blast - all these ideas came from lucas and have been carried through many script drafts. praire dogs and monkeys - if you read about the production, these all came from spielberg. and at least lucas had the balls to end revenge of the sith on a bleak ending, but spielberg insists on cruise's son implausibly surviving a nuclear explosion in war of the worlds.
I want Fate of Atlantis... Clone Wars style! by beastie	Jul 28th, 2008 03:48:12 PM
Yeah. KOTCS was my least favorite. But still enjoyable. I like the little spin-off things like Clone Wars or Season 8 of Buffy. I hope they enventually animate some of Jones' better non-film adventures.
You know... by DocPazuzu	Jul 28th, 2008 03:48:19 PM
...if Jim Cameron's Avatar ends up being balls, cinema as we know it will finally be turned on its head. Once the last God of Genre Celluloid falls from grace, perish the thought, all bets will be off. Nothing will ever be considered a sure thing for maybe a generation until some new folks reclaim that particular, unassailable high ground. Scary thought.
War of the Worlds by Knobules	Jul 28th, 2008 03:49:25 PM
Great 20 minutes in there. Fast forward to incredible sequence of tripod coming out of the ground. Fast forward to boat tipping over. Stop! Take disc out. Give it to grandma to put her teacup a nice place to sit.
DocPazuzu.. so far, Nolan has been a sure thing. by beastie	Jul 28th, 2008 03:50:27 PM
Some didn't care for The Prestige but I thought it was fun as hell.
I forgive WoW to a certain extent... by DocPazuzu	Jul 28th, 2008 03:52:12 PM
...due to that very scene, Knobules. The tripod rising up and the vaporizing of people on the street was fucking amazing and horrifying. Alas, Indy 4 lacked such a mitigating scene.
Challenge: by j_difool	Jul 28th, 2008 03:52:40 PM
Make me care. No one gives a fuck. You've soiled it, dog. Take a break.
AOTC came out in 2002 by Westonian	Jul 28th, 2008 03:52:57 PM

It's a tossup... by OBSD	Jul 28th, 2008 03:53:21 PM
Go back in time and kill Hitler, or go back in time and kill Lucas right before he could reject the Darabont script? Decisions, decisions....
George = future Steven = past by Dr Gregory House	Jul 28th, 2008 03:53:28 PM
Ok Georgie Porgie...if that be the case, I'd much rather see 'Raiders' again than 'Crystal Shia'. This guy is such a douche. The Berg pwns Lucas and has for quite some time.
Location filming by skimn	Jul 28th, 2008 03:53:37 PM
Gee, why were so much "exterior" scenes shot in studio, unlike 20 years ago?? Can you guess ?? Could it be that fansites like this and hundreds others have cropped up over the past decade, and entertainment shows like ET and Access Hollywood have reporters and "spies" that will photograph Harrison Ford scratching his ass on location if they could. You have the biggest fan based geek film of the past 20 years and wonder why they couldn't just film wherever they damn well pleased????
So how soon could this possibly get made AND by jones1899	Jul 28th, 2008 03:54:10 PM
How soon MUST it get made in order to work. Anyone think this will ever get made?
OMG CAN'T YOU TELL HE'S JOKING?? by Rufferto	Jul 28th, 2008 03:54:15 PM
Says aint it cool faggots defending him the last time he mentioned a sequel to crystal skullfuck.
WotW had some crazy shit in it by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 28th, 2008 03:54:20 PM
Lacklustre ending but pretty good overall. Agree with DocPazuzu that Avatar is the last great hope. You can do it Jimbo!
George Lucas and the 10 years of Abject Misery! by The Equalizer	Jul 28th, 2008 03:55:47 PM
Do everyone and favour Lucas and stick to making toys. Every single piece of my childhood has been sodomised by that Boss Nass-necked cunt!
Indy in the future? by Ingeld	Jul 28th, 2008 03:55:53 PM
I know. Have Indy become frozen in carbonite or some such nonsense and he can wake up in the seventies. Nixon (played by Mike Myers) can be the heavy and Indy can have wacky fun chasing around Deep Throat in search of the missing tapes. Indiana Jones and the Watergate.
Crystal Skull by Geekgasm	Jul 28th, 2008 03:57:11 PM
Still more fun than Temple of Doom
It Was A Perfect Storm... by TroutMaskReplicant	Jul 28th, 2008 03:57:39 PM
Spielberg has turned into a filmmaking conveyor belt and Lucas can't figure out who the guy who made Star Wars was. They're both equally to blame.
hmmm... by DigitalBeachWar	Jul 28th, 2008 03:58:33 PM
LucAss has no clue how to make a good movie.
I'd Love to be a Fly On the Wall During... by DKT	Jul 28th, 2008 04:00:00 PM
Some of those discussions between Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford. I mean...how BIZARRE.
DocPazuzu! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 28th, 2008 04:01:24 PM
Agreed. Had Peter Jackson not over-indulged himself on a wobbly KING KONG, I'd say he may be the only one who could immediately take that baton and run with it. So, there may be more resting on Cameron and AVATAR than people realize.
Future? by Embeedeuce	Jul 28th, 2008 04:01:30 PM
George isn't in the future. He's a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
I second the call for FATE OF ATLANTIS! by ZeroCorpse	Jul 28th, 2008 04:01:36 PM
"Hold on. . . She's still tawkin'." "Hold on. . . She's still twakin'." "Wait. . . I'm here to fix the lights." "There's nothin' wrong wit da lights!" "Wait. . . I'm with the band!" "We ain't got no band!"
george lucas' future by bluebottle	Jul 28th, 2008 04:02:58 PM
is all about raping the past. come up with something NEW... To me, that would be truly moving forward.
I LIKE the fucking prequels. by ZeroCorpse	Jul 28th, 2008 04:07:07 PM
A lot of people do. It's only a whiny little minority online who seem to repeat the "raped my childhood" meme. I also liked KOTCS. Indy has always been a pulp story about super-science and supernatural things, and anyone bitching about the "unrealistic" fridge or jungle scenes needs to go back and watch the fucking mine car ride or the heart-removal scenes, or the fucking VOODOO DOLL in an INDIAN cult in Temple of Doom, or the majority of Connery's scenes in Last Crusade. It's FUN adventure based on old serials. It's supposed to have impossible escapes and play fast and loose with the laws of physics.
honestly though by chipps	Jul 28th, 2008 04:09:38 PM
how can they top the 4th one? it was perfect, leave it alone.
Wrong, Zerocorpse by OBSD	Jul 28th, 2008 04:10:28 PM
A lot of people DON'T like the prequels. Sure, most people don't hate them with the fire of a thousand white hot suns like me, but the general reaction to people who aren't five is "they sucked, but I have a life, so I'm not getting worked up over it."
Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 04:12:06 PM
But he still did the film...how can a billionaire keep doing movies just for another fat paycheck? I don't get it.
The series ends with Jones marrying Marion, by skimn	Jul 28th, 2008 04:13:20 PM
the torch comically not being past to Mutt. Let it end there. Not on a high note, but whaterya gonna do? Leave it be. We've had enough senior citizen jokes to last a lifetime. The world does not need an Indy 5, nor does Lucas' wallet.
It's over by Larry of Arabia	Jul 28th, 2008 04:13:33 PM
I very much enjoyed Crystal Skull, but it's time to but Indy to rest. If they all don't agree on the directions of the films the series is over. BTW, Indy will always be Steven Spielberg in my eyes. It has more of his fingerprints on it than anyone else's.
Good news, The Beef is going to jail!!! by photoboy	Jul 28th, 2008 04:15:20 PM
Yes, that dangerous drunk driver is going to be off the roads and in jail with any luck, which means we won't have to worry about the little shit turning up in Indy 5.
"I'm in the future" by MattmanReturns	Jul 28th, 2008 04:15:24 PM
By the future, does he mean an army of CG animals? Cuz I have a feeling those weren't Spielberg's idea.
Lucas by 69DUDE	Jul 28th, 2008 04:15:32 PM
The man will not rest until he has destroyed the only 2 good ideas he's ever had. Personally, I felt raped after watching Indy 4. I was outraged, and disgusted at what I was tricked into watching. Looking around the audience, you could see the disappointment and the confusion on peoples faces. It was just all wrong. I even considered walking out (something I NEVER do). Spielberg should chalk this up along with 1942 and Hook as the worst work he's ever done, but then again who can blame him? With that 900 pound Lucas gorilla on his back, Spielberg was always gonna buckle under the weight of that fat fuck and his perverted lust for CGI. Lucas calling himself the future is fucking ironic considering that all of his success as a filmmaker is firmly in the past. George, your a multi-billionaire, just fuck off and sit on your money for the rest of your life and stop ruining movies that we all loved once.
I really don't know by jones1899	Jul 28th, 2008 04:16:02 PM
if I can deal with the anticipation and let down that was KOTCS. I can't forget how terrible it was. I can't believe that the Mummy Fuckin 3 may just be a better made movie. Depressing. What happened Indy?
ZeroCorpse...allow me to explain what the prequels do by bacci40	Jul 28th, 2008 04:19:59 PM
first, they change the entire focus of the series...originally it was about watching luke become a jedi and save the universe, with the prequels it becomes about watching anakin redeem himself...it also changes the whole concept of a jedi...in the original series, kids walked out believing that anyone could be a jedi with training...we find out in the prequels that it is all genetically based....as a result, a huge plotline from the movie mallrats is tossed right out the window....hey silent bob, you dont have any mitochodolriawatzits, why in the fuck are you trying any jedi mind tricks? rule one of a prequel...dont fuck with the origninal concepts
Cut Lucas some slack by SeanMiller	Jul 28th, 2008 04:20:25 PM
I am on the side that Steven is the one to blame for all the crap parts of KOTCS. I also have to agree with all the hate towards WOTW. I hated everything with the son, especially with him still being alive. I also feel that Lucas proved himself with ROTS, which was hands down awesome. In every pivotal scene, Lucas did not wimp out but pushed the story into darker and darker places. The action scenes where also top notch. I think Steven has been letting us down since Saving Private Ryan (although Munich was kind of badass).
George.... by BYOBkenobi	Jul 28th, 2008 04:21:19 PM
They all wanted the past because the PAST FUCKING WORKED. Don't fix it if it ain't broken. We ALL wanted the same formula, but you had to go put onions in the apple pie. Fuck you.
Just leave it alone. by Insane Tiki	Jul 28th, 2008 04:23:39 PM
It's obvious from CRYSTAL SKULL nobody involved knows what the hell to do with the franchise anymore. I don't want another horrible Indiana Jones movie. JUST... WALK AWAY.
Die, fat bastard, die. by Lucasblows	Jul 28th, 2008 04:24:23 PM

KOTCS, WOTW, ROTS... by Underdogthe3rd	Jul 28th, 2008 04:24:38 PM
SBLAW: STOP BEING LAZY AND WRITE!
Lucas proved himself with ROTS? by Lucasblows	Jul 28th, 2008 04:26:10 PM
Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?!?!?
BRING BACK SHORT ROUND!!! by Kal Reeve	Jul 28th, 2008 04:26:14 PM

I'll trust Speilberg thanks... by ArcherFez	Jul 28th, 2008 04:28:19 PM
From what i understand, Ford and Spielberg wanted to do the fantastic Darabont script, instead we got George Lucas' bastardised version with Shia LeBeouf swinging between branches and a total mess of a film. If Spielberg wants to keep the ways of the past that's great, but fact is...its too late, the world is already destroyed..as far as I'm concerned, Indiana Jones is a trilogy, piss off to your pile of cash Lucas
Spielbergs To Blame by genrefanboy	Jul 28th, 2008 04:29:45 PM
Check out the Darabont script which Lucas nixed but Spielberg & Ford both loved. That is a lot worse than KOTCS (which I loved BTW). The saucer men were still in the other script so were the monkeys and the raft/waterfall scenes so anyone saying its all Lucas fault is a crackhead. Read the Ultimate Making Of Indiana Jones book which covers the Indy4 development in great detail and again you will see that Spielberg has lost it and Lucas was the voice of reason. Ford is just out of touch with moviemaking and made a lot of bad career choices. Indy5 is unlikely to ever get made anyway as it took 19 years for them to agree on Indy4!! Spielberg has the next 4 years booked up already and the impression I get from his Cannes media interviews were that even though he said at the end if the fans want more I will give them more I did not feel totally convinced by the way he said it.
This only goes to show... by Damage_Inc	Jul 28th, 2008 04:29:51 PM
That Lucas really does live in his own world. I'm sure that he really believes that Spielberg and Ford are insane for disagreeing with his opinions. Imagine what Indy 4 would have been if it wasn't for Spielberg and Ford fighting him. That's a scary thought.
OBSD by Chairman_Kaga	Jul 28th, 2008 04:30:20 PM
If that were true wouldn't they be financial failures?
"I have a black director." by depalma25	Jul 28th, 2008 04:30:23 PM
Um, do you mean locked up somewhere? You have him in storage? Is "black director," some medical conditon you have? Did anyone else find the way he said that entirely funny? Who is this black director? Has George given him a name?
All you people who paid to see Indy 4 and think it sucked by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 04:30:49 PM
only have yourself to blame. You basically rewarded the filmmakers with $$$ for making this film. It has made $300 million domestic. They made it because they knew you would show up and give them your cash. They knew there were enough suckers out there and they were right...they'd be right for Indy V too.
FUCKING CHRIST-SOMEBODY MAKE THIS RETARD STOP by Laserhead	Jul 28th, 2008 04:30:54 PM
Stop making movies Lucas. You were never any good at it. You had IDEAS that others ran with and made into moving entertainments. THERE'S A REASON HE HASN'T INVENTED A NEW PROPERTY IN 30 YEARS. On the first one he just did what he wanted?!?!? Yeah, I guess Spielberg and Lawrence Kasdan had nothing to do with it.
George Lucas has never had respect for his directors. by Lucasblows	Jul 28th, 2008 04:36:01 PM
How would you like to have directed Empire or Jedi and then years later this ass-clown goes back and fucks with them? He should be fucking shot.
Spielberg wants a good story, Lucas wants CGI gophers. by Flim Springfield	Jul 28th, 2008 04:36:09 PM
Guess who won?
Steven Is Right!!! by Media Messiah	Jul 28th, 2008 04:36:12 PM
But then again, all need to move on to new ground. Steven, please do super hero movie or something else you haven't yet done in film.
It's official... by Damage_Inc	Jul 28th, 2008 04:36:40 PM
Lucas is now ready for the madhouse
I want a FATE OF ATLANTIS too by Second Try	Jul 28th, 2008 04:36:41 PM
“For your sake, I hope this doesn’t work”- Indy “Why not?”- Ubermann “Once I’m a god, I’m sending you straight to hell.”- Indy “I’m offering you immortality, is that the thanks I get?”- Ubermann “Ever hear the term, “angry god”? Wait till you see me!”- Indy
when he says a black director he means by Rufferto	Jul 28th, 2008 04:37:17 PM
a gungan.
Guess I'll add to the pile by Klytus_I.m_Bored	Jul 28th, 2008 04:38:08 PM
Lucas reminds me of those financial analysts who crow about how well the economy is doing because they're looking at growth as the only indicator of the economy's health. You know - the douchebag know-nothings on Fox News who think that growth alone is something that can assess the health of our economy, irrespective of job loss, stagnating wages, underemployment, etc. Lucas only looks at ticket sales (adjusted for inflation, of course). He doesn't give a fuck about quality, story, etc etc. He's just looking at the bottom line, which probably looks mighty good. So he'll keep making dreck that has mass appeal, or at least enough appeal to turn a profit. It's fucking sad.
Watch this, it explains a lot by pleasebanme	Jul 28th, 2008 04:38:18 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E1x jw9Kzb5o
Mummy 3 will not be better by MattmanReturns	Jul 28th, 2008 04:38:29 PM
I saw clips of this at Comic-Con. The good guys summon a pack of yetis to help them fight the bad guys. The yetis start playing football with the bad guys. One yeti kicks a bad guy in the balls, and he goes flying through two poles that look like a field goal, and another yeti actually holds up his arms to signal a touchdown. I'm not kidding.
INDIANA JONES AND THE FUCK THIS SHIT by Harry Weinstein	Jul 28th, 2008 04:39:48 PM
"Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic." No fucking joke. You don't say.
listen to steven, george by juice willis	Jul 28th, 2008 04:40:53 PM
cause you haven't a fucking clue.
Wow by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 28th, 2008 04:42:47 PM
The most vitriolic Lucas talkback yet. And you've got it wrong. Spielberg is to balme for the cheesy aspects of Skull. Check out the Complete Making of book factfinders.
balme = blame by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 28th, 2008 04:43:08 PM

George Lucas....Just....Stop by grungies	Jul 28th, 2008 04:44:50 PM
You have no idea what the future is. All you do is choke your stories with fad technology. Notice how dated Episode I looks? CGI's a tool, it's not the "way of the future." Spielberg knows how to use CGI. You don't. When you get involved with anything, the results are always a mess. Just stop.
George Lucas needs to just go away. by disfigurehead	Jul 28th, 2008 04:44:54 PM
Take your billions you have raked in from us and just go away. Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic about KOTCS? Really? In which part?
GREEDO FIRES FIRST! by Fa Fa Fooey	Jul 28th, 2008 04:48:13 PM
NUFF SAID.
If only... by CyG	Jul 28th, 2008 04:49:32 PM
...George wouldn't have had children, perhaps he wouldn't feel the need to cater so much to the annoying PG-13 crowd. Case-in-point, I was watching "Special Edition" RotJ yesterday and the scene in Jabba's Palace where Sy Snoodles and Co. sing came up. When that random furry CGI thing sings into the camera (BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL IN A STAR WARS MOVIE), my brain hemorrhaged at the remarkable display of stupidity before me.
I don't care by LostInLucas	Jul 28th, 2008 04:49:46 PM
I just don't care what Lucas does next. He and Spielberg really are losing me right now. Spielberg's career is going the way of John Ford or Hitchcock in their last days. INDY IV = FRENZY ?
Why don't George just direct Indy 5 by daveyf	Jul 28th, 2008 04:50:56 PM
We'll see who is to blame for Indy 4. Not that it was as bad as some of you say it is. But it was not up to par with the others.
bacci40 by la_sith	Jul 28th, 2008 04:52:06 PM
So the prequels and the fact that Lucas explained the Force "ruined" a Kevin Smith film?
You know what Indy 5 SHOULD be? by Magic Rat	Jul 28th, 2008 04:52:40 PM
Harrison Ford sitting in a nursing home, telling the story of his last adventure. Then bring in Hugh Jackman to play Indiana Jones - sure, he's younger than Ford was in the last movie, but just forget that that one ever happened. It was really that bad. Then have Hugh Jackman lose his legs at the end and cut to Ford sitting in a wheelchair, legless. And...cut. That's how the fifth movie should go. If Harrison Ford comes back I'm not watching his old wrinkled ass creak around trying to pretend fight people and run around. Really, it's like watching Indiana Jones starring Sean Connery.
Ha ha...and the best part is... by loserguy3000	Jul 28th, 2008 04:55:24 PM
...that no matter how much you nerds dog and flame Lucas, you'll all line up like good little hypocrites with each and every single project he comes out with...every single time. Oh, and here's the best part! If you're not seeing his films (and the box-office take clearly indicates you are...presumably several times each), then that only makes your further hypocrites, as you're debasing films you haven't seen. Lovely!! So get your kicks, because come Indy 5 you'll all crack out your whips, don the fedoras, and line up for tickets. Only then to proceed to aintitcool to bitch and moan why Lucas keeps making movies... Because, internet nerds, you keep seeing them again and again. Do the math. Or maybe...just maybe... they're not so bad after all? It's OK, I won't tell anyone!
Indiana Jones and the Crappy Arrogant Movie Mogul by MJohnson	Jul 28th, 2008 04:55:50 PM
Nuff said.
by Wolftever	Jul 28th, 2008 04:56:00 PM

FUCK YOU LUCAS!!! FUUUUUUCK YOUUU!!! by spud mcspud	Jul 28th, 2008 04:57:18 PM
Goddamn it, this bastard just won't fucking quit. Now it's everyone else's fault that fourth movie was FUCKING SHIT?!?!? Maybe if he could get his head out of his ass long enough -- meh, no point in continuing that sentence. That fucking twat has lost every vestige of talent he ever had, bar counting the piles of fucking loot he made from destroying his life's work, his artistic fucking legacy. Lucas is the enemy of everything that is great in cinema - because he set the standard, revered for three decades, then he purposely fucked it up himself - just to teach the fans a lesson: that he will do what HE wants, which is usually the opposite of what his fans (who made his empire what it fucking is today, thanks to buying everything he threw at them) want, even if it SUCKS FUCKING ASS. I could happily strangle the life out of that bastard and sleep like a baby. I fucking hate that gizzard bastard. Just fucking retire - you've ruined everything you began. Big hand for you. NOW FUCK OFF.
ha, sounds like someone's livin in the past by palooka_boy	Jul 28th, 2008 04:58:25 PM
CONTEMPORIZE man!
SOUTHPARK Comes True! NO MORE GUNS by DumbPunter	Jul 28th, 2008 04:58:27 PM
Just thought I'd mention a fun little fact that nobody seems to have highlighted in the multitude of arguments on CRYSTAL SKULLS. To put in perspective exactly how pathetically tamed Indy has become, this newest film NEVER had Indy shooting at anyone, much less killing them with a gun. In fact, NOBODY is killed with a gun on screen. Gone are the thrilling gunfights in a Himalayan bar or Shanghai club. Instead we have killer ants. So really, anybody claiming that the 4th film upholds the tradition, please, PLEASE revisit the whole series. I'm not a bloodthirsty psycho, but Indy without a shootout is like StarWars without a lightsabre duel: Idiotic.
Spielberg by Charlie_Allnut	Jul 28th, 2008 05:00:08 PM
Steven has been off his game for years...In my humble opinion he has only made four or five great movies in the past twenty years, the rest being incredibly flawed and mediocre, while not nessesarily being bad movies. Lucas, on the other hand just needs to retire.
Come on guys!! by perromaldito	Jul 28th, 2008 05:01:13 PM
IJ4 is a crappy film but you people are making it seem like its worse than camp cucamonga or some shit like that!!!
Nolan thinks Lucas is the king by strosmer	Jul 28th, 2008 05:01:18 PM
So what say ye haters to that? Nolan on Lucas, from an article in USA Today: "Come on, he's George Lucas," Nolan says. "I felt like I should have kissed the ring." I add, George Lucas has never done anything wrong. Steven Spielberg is an okay guy. You're all a bunch of retards. Any of given prequel is better than The Dark Knight. This is the truth of everything. Don't bother posting to the contrary. End of argument.
loserguy3000 by CyG	Jul 28th, 2008 05:01:49 PM
The reason we continue to go see Lucas' movies is because we know that his movies were once great and we dare to hope that some measure of that greatness can be recaptured again. I don't want Lucas to stop making movies, I want him to stop making BAD MOVIES.
loserguy3000 by spud mcspud	Jul 28th, 2008 05:02:05 PM
You're preaching to a bunch of people on an internet talkback thread about why they're losers for preaching to each other on an internet talkback thread. Wow. You're not too fucking clever there, son. Do yourself a favour and take yourself and your post-modern, ironic (in that passe, 1990s SCREAM stylee) ass outside and fuck yourself up. Save the rest of us the trouble. You may think you're being clever - you're in fact just a dull-witted cunt. Buh-bye.
George... by scrivener	Jul 28th, 2008 05:02:18 PM
let Stephen do whatever the fuck he wants. Clearly, he knows better than you. Indy 4 and the entire fucking Star Wars franchise is proof of that. I'd prefer we all just forgot that Indy 4 even happened. It was huge steaming shitpile by any standard, including Uwe Boll's.
INDY IV = FRENZY ? by Harry Weinstein	Jul 28th, 2008 05:03:04 PM
INDY IV wishes it was FAMILY PLOT.
CyG by strosmer	Jul 28th, 2008 05:06:59 PM
I forgot about the singing part in ROTJ special edition. Lucas did a great wrong there. That musical number sucked. But that was it. Everything else - absolute perfection!
Fuck Lucas! HERE'S SOME MO' BETTER COOL NEWS by future help	Jul 28th, 2008 05:08:37 PM
Frank Miller, author of the greatest-fuckin-Batman-story-e ver “The Dark Knight Returns”, has given “300” director Zack Snyder the thumbs up to bring his ‘Elderly Caped Crusader’ tale to the big screen. According to Slashfilm.com, Miller’s comments were made at this past weekend’s Comic Con. Snyder, who bought Miller’s “300” to the big screen, says he’d be prouder than punch than to bring “Dark Knight Returns” to the multiplex. “I would love to see Frank Miller’s Dark Knight made into a movie, but that’s just me”, Snyder (at Comic Con to promote “Watchmen”) said. Nope, it ain’t just you Snyder – Frank wants it, Warner’s Michael Uslan wants it (and that’s a big someone!) and we want it. “The Dark Knight Returns”, told over 4 issues, is set twenty years in the future, at which time Batman has retired from crime fighting following the death of Jason Todd, the second Robin. Bruce Wayne funds the rehabilitation of Harvey Dent (”Two-Face”), leading to his release from a mental hospital, but upon re-entering society, Dent returns to crime. Wayne dons the Batman costume again and apprehends Dent, but in an increasingly media obsessed society, the populace debates publicly whether Batman is a savior or a menace. The Joker, along with a psychiatrist, appears on a talk show to discredit Batman. Before he leaves the studio, he murders everyone in sight. It’s a great story. Who would you have play the aged Batman? (Clint Eastwood was rumoured at one stage - - but isn’t he just a tad too old?) What about the Joker? It’s hard to imagine anyone other than Heath Ledger in the part. It might never happen, but considering the big business “The Dark Knight” is doing at the box-office, and Christopher Nolan’s plan to end his Batman series after the next sequel, Warners are going to be looking for a way to keep the series going for a few more post-Bale years. It’s probably already been discussed. PLUS: Sam Raimi is doing EVIL DEAD 4! Bring it on!
Well thank god he has a "black director" by Charlie_Allnut	Jul 28th, 2008 05:09:37 PM
"I’m only going to produce Red Tails — we have a black director..." Can't "black film makers" just be referred to as film makers? George Lucas, white film maker and Steven Spielberg, Jewish director present Indiana Jones starring a bunch of white actors!
Oh, I forgot that the Ewok song got cut too by strosmer	Jul 28th, 2008 05:12:18 PM
That stunk. That song was the best part of ROTJ. I'll never forgive him for cutting that song in the special edition. NEVER! Oh, George, how could you? You disgusting animal! But aside from that, everything you've done - absolute perfection.
strosmer by CyG	Jul 28th, 2008 05:19:56 PM
Don't forget about his replacement of the original actor who played old Anakin in the 1983 version with Hayden Christensen. He must have thought we all slept through the third act and couldn't figure out who that old guy was standing next to Yoda and Obi.
the dark knight returns actors... by Magic Rat	Jul 28th, 2008 05:20:15 PM
older batman - Tom Hanks older joker - Jack Nicholson (playing it serious)
The hate for Lucas on this site is unreal by Arteska	Jul 28th, 2008 05:23:19 PM
This site probably wouldn't even exist without him. Lucas and Spielberg virtually created the commercial viability of genre films and many (hell, most) of the tools that are used to make them. Much of what gets made (and marketed) in the image of their movies is terrible but the good ones owe them a serious debt. He's not above criticism but the bashing is so ridiculous and ignorant that it's sickening.
Lucas and Ebert have something in common by Cotton McKnight	Jul 28th, 2008 05:23:28 PM
Both are successful, but misunderstand how they got that way. With Ebert, he misunderstood that the show was more than just "two guys talking about movies"- there was a spirit of competition that drove those two men to become better reviewers. As for Lucas, it's the same thing. He owns all his success, to be sure, but he completely misunderstands what is gained from butting heads through collaboration. And what is achieved through competition. It's a necessary part of the process.
looking at it from both sides then by DrLektor	Jul 28th, 2008 05:24:03 PM
I can understand Lucas, his love of the 50's, rock n roll, hogs and jalopies, he's always been obssessed with that period so it stands to reason it's where he wanted to take Indy. Another 50's product was alien invasion stories and the red menace. It practically writes itself. And there in lies the problem. I didn't really want to see that movie. What I did want was a continuation of the religious theme, a further exploration of Indy's faith and a classic Spielberg disfunctional family dynamic, that in my opinion would have worked better as a film because it does indeed stay with what's tried and tested, it follows a theme. All Indy 4 did was set up Shia to take over the role rather than make the Indiana Jones legend grow. I think the term "serial adventure" that Lucas likes to throw around was forgotten. In the classic stories, the hero was timeless, he gave the impression of invincibility and that he's be around forever "Indiana Jones will return in the next adventure..." etc etc. Would it be so bad to see Raiders remade over and over again? It's a damn sight better than taking it in a whole new direction George.
Indy travels back in time... by blindambition238	Jul 28th, 2008 05:25:08 PM
and rides out the big bang in the trunk of a Pinto... all before the opening credits begin to role!
Yes, CyG, Sebastian Shaw by strosmer	Jul 28th, 2008 05:25:39 PM
was and always will be the true Anakin to me. But aside from those three stupid choices in ROTJ, George Lucas has done no wrong.
Here's the difference... by DarthCorleone	Jul 28th, 2008 05:27:36 PM
The way I see it, Spielberg might now in hindsight realize what a grievous misstep Crystal Skull was, whereas Lucas absolutely does not. That is what that quote indicates to me. However, don't try to pretend that the Crystal Skull debacle is more Lucas' fault than Spielberg's. Both are equally to blame. After 15 years of being told that there would be no Indiana Jones movie until all three principals agreed on the script, they endorsed this script as worthy of the series. Spielberg signed off on that crap just as Lucas and Ford did; he didn't have to do so. Prairie dogs and monkeys, indeed!
Arteska by Cotton McKnight	Jul 28th, 2008 05:28:08 PM
for the record, I am the biggest Star Wars fan you will ever meet. So my comment above wasn't another "George Lucas raped my childhood" tirade. Lucas MADE my childhood and pretty much defined my life (not exaggerating here)through those movies. But having said that, I think the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the Star Wars prequels would have been better off with more collaboration and input from others, not less. They are all good movies in their own right, but they could have been better. Something was left on the table.
Blindambition238, For a second there... by The Winged Doucheman	Jul 28th, 2008 05:29:51 PM
I thought you said Indy rides the Bangbus. That would be a memorable fucking movie.
15 Years Too Late by Giant Ape Balls	Jul 28th, 2008 05:31:18 PM
Ford is too old to truly hack it (although he still pulled off a lot of the humour), George has fallen in love with CGI as it means he doesn't have to deal with actual people, Speilberg has a man-crush on Shia LeBeouf who isn't the star quality that Speilberg thinks he is.
I was so enthusiastic & psyched for Indy 4......... by Riley Martin	Jul 28th, 2008 05:32:00 PM
......and so disappointed with the result.
Thank you Mr Steven Spielberg... by AudaAbuTayi	Jul 28th, 2008 05:32:08 PM
...for directing Duel at 24, Jaws at 28, Encounters at 30, Raiders at 34, Temple of Doom, Empire of the Sun, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, Munich, even that scene from War of the Worlds was the killer moment of that year for me. Just, thank you. Don't read into any of the criticisms, especially not from one-hit Lucas. We are all endebted to you. Some are not worthy of your endlessly renewed genius, or simply amnesiacs. And thank you for still using celluloid. You helped restore Lawrence of Arabia in more ways than one, Sir. Be one with the wind and keep breezing behind the cameras! You are welcome at my well. For a man may make a masterpiece or two, a master stops counting after 6.
Well that was an understatement. by TooWhippy	Jul 28th, 2008 05:34:33 PM
"which might explain the lackluster/disjointed quality some fans have noticed in CRYSTAL SKULL" some of the fans??? how about... all of us noticed how crappy the film was.
sw prequels = ships taking off and landing by juice willis	Jul 28th, 2008 05:35:35 PM
explaining to contemporary lucas apologists as to the many ways in which his work of the last quarter century is utter shit is similar to trying to argue the absurdities of fundementalist christianity with one of the flock or trying to explain mixed integers to a dog. in each case, if they were capable of grasping the concept, there'd be no need to explain it to them.
Alphabet Soup by TurdontheRun	Jul 28th, 2008 05:36:11 PM
For fuck's sake, that's a lot of P's. i myself would more accurately describe Spielberg's recent ouput as Pedestrian, Pandering, Plebian, Pumpernickel, and Pure Piss, but I digress.
I'm just shaking my head. by Lobanhaki	Jul 28th, 2008 05:37:23 PM
I think some folks just won't let themselves have fun. Everything has to be realistic (or at least seem that way to them) or it has to be uber-cool and stylize, or dark and morbid. When most of you talkback critics grow up, you'll realize that you were arguing over the stupidest things, and you missed some prime opportunities to just relax and enjoy the movies. And if not that, just not buy tickets to movies you figure you're going to hate. I mean, sheesh, who's the more foolish, the fool or the man who follows him?
So much potential... by Philvis	Jul 28th, 2008 05:39:17 PM
Indy IV was definitely a let down. It wasn't bad, but it had so much potential that was disgarded. In my honest opinion, it just didn't gel together like the others did. It just felt put together roughly. I was in Peru visiting the wife's family and saw the opening there. There was a lot of laughter, not for the humor, but for the poor research done. They show Nazca as a desert connected to jungle. Sorry, but there is only desert for hundreds of miles. When the market in Nazca was shown, they were playing Mexican music and the "natives" had on clothes people in the mountains wore, not people in the desert. There was also a lot of talk of Mayan language/culture, and they were nowhere close to Peru. Just sloppy things like that made this film seem like it wasn't taken seriously. I think a little less time with the CGI and more thought into the story would have made this a much better film. Like I said, I didn't hate it, but it really did let me down.
It's official. The UFO idea was all Lucas by Orionsangels	Jul 28th, 2008 05:40:17 PM

The past and the future by My Fridge is a Bomb Shelter	Jul 28th, 2008 05:40:23 PM
George wants to make it shitty, and Steven wants to do it right.
by Sword of Damocles	Jul 28th, 2008 05:41:29 PM
Chris Nolan: "I don't make movies for myself, I make movies for the audience." George Lucas: "I make movies for me." Please no more Indy films. I mostly enjoyed 4, but it's missing some of it's magic. Lucas needs to take a step back.
Why in the hell wouldn't you want another Indy? by NiceGuyEddie19	Jul 28th, 2008 05:42:15 PM
You should want another one so that maybe it redeems the frnchise and gives us the Indy we all wanted to see. ESPECIALLY those of you complaining about the implausible aspects of Indy 4. Those didn't quite bother me so much as the rather unimaginitive writing. In all the other Indy movies, clever puzzles are solved by intelligent analysis. In Crystal Skull, you get "How'd ya do this, Ox?" and the solution is always the blunt witted "Use the skull." Use the skull to scare the natives. Use the skull to open the temple gate. Use the skull to bring the aliens to life. They traded good writing for elaborate CG. We should want them to make another one and do it right this time.
The Madness of King George by zapano	Jul 28th, 2008 05:42:32 PM
Seriously Georgey boy, have you completely lost the plot?
Lobanhaki by Giant Ape Balls	Jul 28th, 2008 05:45:03 PM
Realistic? You mean like Star Wars? No, it simply has to be well done, honest and be contextually believable.
Dark Knight Returns movie by Anakin Whoopass	Jul 28th, 2008 05:45:19 PM
I always imagined it could be Adam West's Unforgiven except even more transformative than Eastwood's, in which West could channel whatever bitterness he has ever felt in real life into an utterly camp-free Bruce Wayne performance that would shock everyone and be true to Miller's work. Probably too late now. Should Bale do it in old-age makeup opposite Brandon Routh as Superman? Maybe it's unfilmable.
Indy four SUCKED ASS!!!! by fanboy71	Jul 28th, 2008 05:45:36 PM
No matter who's fault it was!
Pity Steven... by moonlightdrive	Jul 28th, 2008 05:48:27 PM
didn't win that battle wholeheartedly :( Lucas should be banned from movie making.
I see this convo playing out: by br1947	Jul 28th, 2008 05:48:55 PM
Steven: "Let's make a great epic adventure! Really give the audience something to remember!" George: "Fuck that, let's add monkeys and make money! Fuck the audience, all we need is a good opening weekend!" Ford: "Is it time for my meds yet nurse?" George: "Meesa needs more money!"
AudaAbuTayi - You mad bastard by spud mcspud	Jul 28th, 2008 05:51:07 PM
I applaud you for being so eloquent on so undeserving a platform, ubt I fear you cast pearls before swine. Do not judge a man until you walk two moons in his moccasins; yea verily, e'en to the holy Gizzard that doth afflict that Lucas bastard. smite him til he doth cease to exist, say I! Behold! Excelsior! But seriously... Fun post. Keep 'em coming!
You know, it wouldn't suprise me if... by br1947	Jul 28th, 2008 05:52:46 PM
Lucas pulls some bullshit and put Lindsey Lohan in as Mara Jade in this live action series he's supposedly working on. I think I might really have to take a trip down the Skywalker Ranch with a can of gasoline then...
Indy 4 looked like crap. by Rev. Slappy	Jul 28th, 2008 05:57:04 PM
It was a horrible looking movie, like they never left the backlot, which they probably never did. The Dark Knight had a similar budget and looks so much better.
Fuck Lucas by Bob of the Shire	Jul 28th, 2008 05:57:50 PM
People do not want Indy to be a CGI cartoon. Setting it in the 50's with the Ruskies is fine, even including UFOs and such is fine. But using CG for every single stunt and special effect in the film and having Indy do things that are outright cartoonish (like surviving a nuclear explosion and a thousand foot fall by simply crawling inside a refrigerator) killed the movie. Lucas needs to be put down. Hard.
Listen: by König Lear	Jul 28th, 2008 06:00:19 PM
Lucas is in the unenviable position of having stretched a franchise (I mean Star Wars) too thin even for its strong resonance among its most dedicated fanbase. Most people, however, aren't that interested. Even people who saw the originals in the theater will come back for each successive iteration, because why not? None of them have been entirely unwatchable, and anyway very rarely do intellectual powerhouses or truly necessary sequels reign at the multiplex. Not that most people don't care, but they don't take it as seriously--or as personally--when a new Lucas production doesn't live up to one he did thirty years ago. Likewise with Indiana Jones. I agree that the last one turned

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